We naturally have the jews ( omergherd they're Israelis so antiseptic.. antismetic...)

So the Palestinians want to protest , the jews can counter protest or are they afraid no one will turn up ?

Why are we suppressing free speech ?

LNP never again wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 6:00pm:

We naturally have the jews ( omergherd they're Israelis so antiseptic.. antismetic...) So the Palestinians want to protest , the jews can counter protest or are they afraid no one will turn up ? Why are we suppressing free speech ?

Freedom of speech and blocking the Sydney harbour bridge are not the same thing.

Maybe they all cant fit in another location ? They're rightly mad about what is happening in Gaza and the high court seems to be on same page,  naturally we have the liberal party opposing it ... you should be happy the benchmark has been established if it goes ahead ,  your fellow countrymen and women should be entitled to the same protest given we all live in a democracy and have freedom to protest yes ?

What's the issue ?

LNP never again wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 6:00pm:

Why are we suppressing free speech ?

Labor Governent in NSW tried to stop this protest.

Federal Labor will be banning kids from social media like Youtube in December.

Everyone will need to show ID and prove they're over 16 in December for social media thanks to Labor.

Why are Labor suppressing free speech?

Few rusted ons believe the jews , no one sensible does ... so I support hamas? No dramas here apart from a fake caravan bomb and a few (probably) jews spray painting where ever it you guys go to pay homage to ya sky fairy's...

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 6:04pm:

Freedom of speech and blocking the Sydney harbour bridge are not the same thing.

It's going to cause massive traffic jams the bridge links several major roads. Protest will close bridge for 3 hours.

Buses can't use bridge so those using public transport will also be impacted.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 6:26pm:

LNP never again wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 6:00pm: Why are we suppressing free speech ? Labor Governent in NSW tried to stop this protest. Federal Labor will be banning kids from social media like Youtube in December. Everyone will need to show ID and prove they're over 16 in December for social media thanks to Labor. Why are Labor suppressing free speech?

This was back in about 2010 when I didn't have a computer , kids has their heads down playing music and looking at their phones when I was in library updating my cv and teacher was losing her poo ... cant even imagine what its like now ... but if its anything to go by being a high risk work licence trainer I can only imagine as they're buried deep in their phones on every break , I fail them if they touch their phones , thank bugger Labor have put some actual education back into the curriculum instead of distractions

LNP never again wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 6:34pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 6:26pm: LNP never again wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 6:00pm: Why are we suppressing free speech ? Labor Governent in NSW tried to stop this protest. Federal Labor will be banning kids from social media like Youtube in December. Everyone will need to show ID and prove they're over 16 in December for social media thanks to Labor. Why are Labor suppressing free speech? This was back in about 2010 when I didn't have a computer , kids has their heads down playing music and looking at their phones when I was in library updating my cv and teacher was losing her poo ... cant even imagine what its like now ... but if its anything to go by being a high risk work licence trainer I can only imagine as they're buried deep in their phones on every break , I fail them if they touch their phones , thank bugger Labor have put some actual education back into the curriculum instead of distractions

Nothing to do with 2010 this is what Labor are doing in 2025


Quote:

How will Australia’s under-16s social media ban be enforced, and which platforms will be exempt? Fri 1 Aug 2025 Australians using a range of social media platforms including Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat and X will need to have their age checked to ensure they are 16 or older when the social media ban comes into effect from early December. The prime minister, Anthony Albanese, has said that the covered platforms include – but are not limited to – Facebook, Instagram, X, Snapchat, and YouTube. How will tech companies check that users are over 16? A common misconception about the social media ban is that it will only apply to children. In order to ensure teenagers remain off social media, the platforms will need to check the ages of all user accounts in Australia. Won’t kids find ways around it? Albanese has compared the social media ban to alcohol restrictions, and said there will no doubt be children who manage to get around the ban, but he argued it was still worth doing. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/aug/01/how-australia-under-16s-social-media-ban-enforced-tiktok-instagram-facebook-exempt-platforms

Thanks to Labor everyone will have to prove they're over 16 for a social media account this was confirmed in Senate hearing when David Shoebridge asked.

Albo admits smart kids will get around it which just shows it's a waste of time and money.

This is not about protecting the kids it's about stopping people like you from being anonymous while online

LNP never again wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 6:18pm:

Maybe they all cant fit in another location ? They're rightly mad about what is happening in Gaza and the high court seems to be on same page,  naturally we have the liberal party opposing it ... you should be happy the benchmark has been established if it goes ahead ,  your fellow countrymen and women should be entitled to the same protest given we all live in a democracy and have freedom to protest yes ?

I am not entitled to shut down the Sydney harbour bridge either. Nor am I deluded enough to think I might be entitled to do so. So yes, they should be given the same entitlement as I am.

Would you care to explain your ludicrous idea that the bridge is the only place to accommodate these people?

LNP never again wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 6:19pm:

What's the issue ?

they're tinted  ::)

LNP never again wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 6:18pm:

Maybe they all cant fit in another location ? They're rightly mad about what is happening in Gaza and the high court seems to be on same page,  naturally we have the liberal party opposing it ... you should be happy the benchmark has been established if it goes ahead ,  your fellow countrymen and women should be entitled to the same protest given we all live in a democracy and have freedom to protest yes ?

This has nothing to do with the High Court.  What we have is one lone female judge from the Supreme Court overruling the state govt and NSW Police which many see as an abuse of her power. 

I hope she will take responsibility if anything untoward happens during this protest in such an inappropriate place as the Harbour Bridge - especially as there are plenty of other places more suitable.  But of course she wont.  No judges take responsibility for any of the ludicrous judgements they make.

As for the serial pest who is organising this protest, he thrives on being controversial and confronting.  Getting this protest onto the bridge is his ultimate wank in his quest for publicity and acclaim. 

LNP never again wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 6:19pm:

What's the issue ?

The issue is what happened at the Opera House on 9 October 2023.
The issue is that there are protests supporting murderous jihadi monsters in Australia.
The issue is the actual violence and threat of violence of these pro Hamas, pro jihadi protests.
The issue is that ANY speaking out against these jihadi monsters is framed as 'islamophobia'.

John Smith wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 7:48pm:

LNP never again wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 6:19pm: What's the issue ? they're tinted  ::)

The organiser, Josh Lees:
https://redflag.org.au/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnewcms.redflag.org.au%2Ffiles%2Fpublic%2FtaxonomyImage%2Fjosh-lees.jpg&w=3840&q=75


His website, Red Flag:

https://redflag.org.au/

LNP never again wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 6:00pm:

We naturally have the jews ( omergherd they're Israelis so antiseptic.. antismetic...) So the Palestinians want to protest , the jews can counter protest or are they afraid no one will turn up ? Why are we suppressing free speech ?

Labor has an interest in appeasing Muslim voters who outnumber Jews 10 to 1.

Frank wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 11:25pm:

The organiser, Josh Lees:

and? If he were organising a maga rally you'd be the first one there.

The only problem you farkwits are that this rally is in support of the tinted folk ... and what make it worse for you and fd, they're muslim too :D

Quote:

The only problem you farkwits are that this rally is in support of the tinted folk ... and what make it worse for you and fd, they're muslim too

How many of them do you think support Hamas?

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 3:21pm:

Quote: The only problem you farkwits are that this rally is in support of the tinted folk ... and what make it worse for you and fd, they're muslim too How many of them do you think support Hamas?

You can pretend they support Hamas if you like, you and reality are never in the same room anyway

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 3:28pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:21pm: Quote: The only problem you farkwits are that this rally is in support of the tinted folk ... and what make it worse for you and fd, they're muslim too How many of them do you think support Hamas? You can pretend they support Hamas if you like, you and reality are never in the same room anyway

Are you suggesting the protestors oppose Hamas? Or just guessing?

Plenty of Muslim leaders from around the world have recently come out and demanded that Hamas step back so that Palestine can achieve statehood. Do you think any of the protestors have made the same demand?

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 3:43pm:

Are you suggesting the protestors oppose Hamas? Or just guessing?

I'm suggesting you should stick to the facts and stop making crap up.

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 3:45pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:43pm: Are you suggesting the protestors oppose Hamas? Or just guessing? I'm suggesting you should stick to the facts and stop making crap up.

It was a question John. Here it is again:

How many of them do you think support Hamas?

When you said this:


Quote:

You can pretend they support Hamas if you like, you and reality are never in the same room anyway

were you just guessing that the protestors oppose Hamas?

Don't you think you are being just a little naïve here John?

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 3:51pm:

It was a question John.

it was a loaded question fd ... you are incapable of ever asking an honest question


freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 3:51pm:

were you just guessing that the protestors oppose Hamas?

i didn't say anyone opposed anything. I merely suggested you stick to the facts, something you seem to struggle with.

Quote:

it was a loaded question fd

The only loading in the question is the assumption that you think John. Try again.

How many of them do you think support Hamas?

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 4:50pm:

The only loading in the question is the assumption that you think John

you keep playing that tune, I'll keep calling you out for the idiot you are.

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 3:12pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 11:25pm: The organiser, Josh Lees: and? If he were organising a maga rally you'd be the first one there. The only problem you farkwits are that this rally is in support of the tinted folk ... and what make it worse for you and fd, they're muslim too :D

Not tinted, as you moronically asserted in another pique of creepy greggyesque  idiocy we have long been accustomed to from you, thicko.

There is no marching for the starving and murdered in Sudan. No Jew angle there.

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 6:04pm:

LNP never again wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 6:00pm: We naturally have the jews ( omergherd they're Israelis so antiseptic.. antismetic...) So the Palestinians want to protest , the jews can counter protest or are they afraid no one will turn up ? Why are we suppressing free speech ? Freedom of speech and blocking the Sydney harbour bridge are not the same thing.

How'd that work out for you FD?

Aussie wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 5:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 6:04pm: LNP never again wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 6:00pm: We naturally have the jews ( omergherd they're Israelis so antiseptic.. antismetic...) So the Palestinians want to protest , the jews can counter protest or are they afraid no one will turn up ? Why are we suppressing free speech ? Freedom of speech and blocking the Sydney harbour bridge are not the same thing. How'd that work out for you FD?

What are you talking about Aussie?

Regarding not mentioning the Jews, do you insist we should also expel all the Arab Muslim Israelis from Israel to achieve peace in the middle east?

Frank wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 5:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:12pm: Frank wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 11:25pm: The organiser, Josh Lees: and? If he were organising a maga rally you'd be the first one there. The only problem you farkwits are that this rally is in support of the tinted folk ... and what make it worse for you and fd, they're muslim too :D Not tinted, as you moronically asserted in another pique of creepy greggyesque  idiocy we have long been accustomed to from you, thicko. There is no marching for the starving and murdered in Sudan. No Jew angle there.

ask for that refund Frank ...... it's not too late. Your parents were obviously ripped of paying primary school fees for you.

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 5:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 5:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 6:04pm: LNP never again wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 6:00pm: We naturally have the jews ( omergherd they're Israelis so antiseptic.. antismetic...) So the Palestinians want to protest , the jews can counter protest or are they afraid no one will turn up ? Why are we suppressing free speech ? Freedom of speech and blocking the Sydney harbour bridge are not the same thing. How'd that work out for you FD? What are you talking about Aussie? Regarding not mentioning the Jews, do you insist we should also expel all the Arab Muslim Israelis from Israel to achieve peace in the middle east?

More drug addled rubbish from FD.  No-one including me has suggested expelling anyone, apart from you.  Have another mushroom FD.

Did free speech go okay today, FD?

By all accounts there was around 300 thousand people marching peacefully in the awful weather ... seems people arent very happy with what's going on in Gaza... camt imagine why  :(

The feeble minded, of whom there are quite few here, have fallen for the HAMAS propaganda. The only food crisis in Gaza is that created by HAMAS with the help of the UN and compliant media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyPqRK8nQ6o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiJwp0vDH5I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uTbrVm7h8Y

No doubt this truth will be unpalatable to the usual suspects, shattering as it does their cherished predudices,  but the truth will out.

Belgarion wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 7:47pm:

The only food crisis in Gaza is that created by HAMAS with the help of the UN and compliant media.

that's why Israel relented and agreed to let in aid agencies :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 8:13pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 7:47pm: The only food crisis in Gaza is that created by HAMAS with the help of the UN and compliant media. that's why Israel relented and agreed to let in aid agencies :D :D :D

If Israel is the problem, why not access through Egypt?..or is that an issue you do not want to face?   ::)

Belgarion wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 8:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:13pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 7:47pm: The only food crisis in Gaza is that created by HAMAS with the help of the UN and compliant media. that's why Israel relented and agreed to let in aid agencies :D :D :D If Israel is the problem, why not access through Egypt?..or is that an issue you do not want to face?   ::)

nice attempt at deflection but it won't work. if the food crisis isn't real, why has Israel relented and let in aid agencies to feed the starving?

https://i.imgur.com/gO1s7Ne.jpeg

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 8:32pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:30pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:13pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 7:47pm: The only food crisis in Gaza is that created by HAMAS with the help of the UN and compliant media. that's why Israel relented and agreed to let in aid agencies :D :D :D If Israel is the problem, why not access through Egypt?..or is that an issue you do not want to face?   ::) nice attempt at deflection but it won't work. if the food crisis isn't real, why has Israel relented and let in aid agencies to feed the starving?

I see you will not answer this question. It is a reality that you are unable to face because it would shatter your illusions.  ::)

People need to eat John, even if they aren't starving.

I think Israel is also providing electricity and water to Gaza.

Belgarion wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 9:06am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:32pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:30pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:13pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 7:47pm: The only food crisis in Gaza is that created by HAMAS with the help of the UN and compliant media. that's why Israel relented and agreed to let in aid agencies :D :D :D If Israel is the problem, why not access through Egypt?..or is that an issue you do not want to face?   ::) nice attempt at deflection but it won't work. if the food crisis isn't real, why has Israel relented and let in aid agencies to feed the starving? I see you will not answer this question. It is a reality that you are unable to face because it would shatter your illusions.  ::)

keep running away :D

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 9:09am:

People need to eat John, even if they aren't starving. I think Israel is also providing electricity and water to Gaza.

Up until a week or so ago Israel was telling us they was no one starving and they were getting plenty of food. Suddenly they need to let aid agencies in to stop the famine? :D :D

Were they lying then? Or are they lying now?

Quote:

Up until a week or so ago Israel was telling us they was no one starving and they were getting plenty of food. Suddenly they need to let aid agencies in to stop the famine?

People don't starve if you feed them John. I am not sure why this is so difficult for you to get your head around.

https://i.imgur.com/gO1s7Ne.jpeg


Now how's that for a precise summation of the pro Palestine protest!   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

LNP never again wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 6:00pm:

We naturally have the jews ( omergherd they're Israelis so antiseptic.. antismetic...) So the Palestinians want to protest , the jews can counter protest or are they afraid no one will turn up ? Why are we suppressing free speech ?

Probably more likely to be afraid of being phyically attacked by the likes of all the Islamists & their supporters that marched over Sydney Harbour Bridge.

The same bunch of arseholes that formed a pro-Palestinian rally on the steps of the Opera House on Oct 9th 2023 - 2 days after the Oct 7th music festival attack in Israel by Hamas terrorists.

LNP never again wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 6:18pm:

Maybe they all cant fit in another location ? They're rightly mad about what is happening in Gaza and the high court seems to be on same page,  naturally we have the liberal party opposing it ... you should be happy the benchmark has been established if it goes ahead ,  your fellow countrymen and women should be entitled to the same protest given we all live in a democracy and have freedom to protest yes ?

They can always fly over there and do their protesting close at hand.  ::)

LNP never again wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 6:29pm:

Few rusted ons believe the jews , no one sensible does ... so I support hamas? No dramas here apart from a fake caravan bomb and a few (probably) jews spray painting where ever it you guys go to pay homage to ya sky fairy's...

Imbecile.

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 3:12pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 11:25pm: The organiser, Josh Lees: and? If he were organising a maga rally you'd be the first one there. The only problem you farkwits are that this rally is in support of the tinted folk ... and what make it worse for you and fd, they're muslim too :D

Not all Muslims or Arabs are tinted Guido.

As historian Niall Ferguson writes, one can criticise the way Israel has waged its war in Gaza while noting the impossibility of simultaneously rescuing the hostages and destroying Hamas, and the extreme difficulty of defeating an enemy that lurks in tunnels, habitually uses civilians for cover and steals much of the aid sent to Gaza. But it cannot be called genocide: “Accusing Israel of genocide and recognising a non-existent state are the luxury beliefs of Western foreign policy, elicited in response to misleading photographs on front pages and fake fatality statics, and utterly divorced from strategic reality.”


There is also the reality of genocide in the African nation of Sudan following the 2023 split in the ruling military junta that barely rates a mention. Two years of fighting have caused 150,000 civilian casualties and 12 million displaced people. in May the World Food Program, the UN agency responsible for preventing famines, warned Sudan was veering into the “world’s largest hunger crisis in recent history”, with 25 million people “acutely food insecure” and 650,000 suffering catastrophic hunger. Their plight is worsening.
(Tinted non-Muslims suffering at the hands of tinted Muslims, with zero Jew angle - nuffin' to see here from the Sydney Harbour Bridge.)


For a group that claims to be intolerant of any form of racism or bigotry and advocates “peaceful” protests, the Palestine Action Group led by Trotskyist Josh Lees, 43, recruited provocative speakers in Sydney, including anti-Israel academic Randa Abdel-Fattah and Greens senator Mehreen Faruqi. Prominent pictures of Iranian dictator Ayatollah Ali Khamenei behind march leaders including WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, Senator Faruqi and republican activist Craig Foster raises questions about how supposedly liberal protesters can endorse the theocracy’s cruel treatment of women, its killing of protesters and its stated intent to wipe Israel off the map.

LNP never again wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2025 at 7:43pm:

By all accounts there was around 300 thousand people marching peacefully in the awful weather ... seems people arent very happy with what's going on in Gaza... camt imagine why  :(

300 thousand? BS

Gnads wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 12:11pm:

LNP never again wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 7:43pm: By all accounts there was around 300 thousand people marching peacefully in the awful weather ... seems people arent very happy with what's going on in Gaza... camt imagine why  :( 300 thousand? BS

:D :D

Do I hear 500,000. Anyone offering 750,000?  Can we do 1 million John Smiths?

Gnads wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 11:59am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:12pm: Frank wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 11:25pm: The organiser, Josh Lees: and? If he were organising a maga rally you'd be the first one there. The only problem you farkwits are that this rally is in support of the tinted folk ... and what make it worse for you and fd, they're muslim too :D Not all Muslims or Arabs are tinted Guido.

No one said they were all tinted ya dumbarse :D

Massive turnout  :)

LNP never again wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 1:06pm:

Massive turnout  :)

Yes it was and in awful weather.  The 'Albos' cannot ignore that, and neither can the rest of the Planet.

Israel and Hamas have to be stopped.  Hamas must be removed, yesterday, and Israel relocated, yesterday.

The grain of sand in that ME oyster is the State of Israel, and while that grain of sand might/has become the fantastic democratic beacon (pearl) FD sexes it up as, for it to be enjoyed as such on-going over generations, it needs to be taken out of the oyster.

Aussie wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 1:40pm:

LNP never again wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 1:06pm: Massive turnout  :) Yes it was and in awful weather.  The 'Albos' cannot ignore that, and neither can the rest of the Planet. Israel and Hamas have to be stopped.  Hamas must be removed, yesterday, and Israel relocated, yesterday. The grain of sand in that ME oyster is the State of Israel, and while that grain of sand might/has become the fantastic democratic beacon (pearl) FD sexes it up as, for it to be enjoyed as such on-going over generations, it needs to be taken out of the oyster.

Well, with that logic, Muslims must also be removed from the Middle East and North Africa as they are invading colonisers there.
All the more since they are semi-failed states and/or oil rich slave holding countries, not democratic, functioning beacons.

John Smith wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 9:39am:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 9:06am: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:32pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:30pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:13pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 7:47pm: The only food crisis in Gaza is that created by HAMAS with the help of the UN and compliant media. that's why Israel relented and agreed to let in aid agencies :D :D :D If Israel is the problem, why not access through Egypt?..or is that an issue you do not want to face?   ::) nice attempt at deflection but it won't work. if the food crisis isn't real, why has Israel relented and let in aid agencies to feed the starving? I see you will not answer this question. It is a reality that you are unable to face because it would shatter your illusions.  ::) keep running away :D

Answer the question ::)

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 9:48am:

Quote: Up until a week or so ago Israel was telling us they was no one starving and they were getting plenty of food. Suddenly they need to let aid agencies in to stop the famine? People don't starve if you feed them John. I am not sure why this is so difficult for you to get your head around.

The only one having difficulty is you FD ::)

Belgarion wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 5:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 9:39am: Belgarion wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 9:06am: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:32pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:30pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:13pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 7:47pm: The only food crisis in Gaza is that created by HAMAS with the help of the UN and compliant media. that's why Israel relented and agreed to let in aid agencies :D :D :D If Israel is the problem, why not access through Egypt?..or is that an issue you do not want to face?   ::) nice attempt at deflection but it won't work. if the food crisis isn't real, why has Israel relented and let in aid agencies to feed the starving? I see you will not answer this question. It is a reality that you are unable to face because it would shatter your illusions.  ::) keep running away :D Answer the question ::)

Who gives a bugger about Egypt, it's just a deflection to hide your stupidity. They're not the ones bombing women and children.

John Smith wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 5:53pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:34pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 9:39am: Belgarion wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 9:06am: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:32pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:30pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:13pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 7:47pm: The only food crisis in Gaza is that created by HAMAS with the help of the UN and compliant media. that's why Israel relented and agreed to let in aid agencies :D :D :D If Israel is the problem, why not access through Egypt?..or is that an issue you do not want to face?   ::) nice attempt at deflection but it won't work. if the food crisis isn't real, why has Israel relented and let in aid agencies to feed the starving? I see you will not answer this question. It is a reality that you are unable to face because it would shatter your illusions.  ::) keep running away :D Answer the question ::) Who gives a bugger about Egypt, it's just a deflection to hide your stupidity. They're not the ones bombing women and children.

They just built a wall to keep the rabbits out.

Is utter madness and would be over now if Hamas would give it up - nobody can expect Israel to simply give up and let them re-0build to do it all over again.. THAT is the ultimate madness... but I've grown convinced that most people in the West these days are quite mad on the drugs in the water or something....

John Smith wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 5:53pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:34pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 9:39am: Belgarion wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 9:06am: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:32pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:30pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:13pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 7:47pm: The only food crisis in Gaza is that created by HAMAS with the help of the UN and compliant media. that's why Israel relented and agreed to let in aid agencies :D :D :D If Israel is the problem, why not access through Egypt?..or is that an issue you do not want to face?   ::) nice attempt at deflection but it won't work. if the food crisis isn't real, why has Israel relented and let in aid agencies to feed the starving? I see you will not answer this question. It is a reality that you are unable to face because it would shatter your illusions.  ::) keep running away :D Answer the question ::) Who gives a bugger about Egypt, it's just a deflection to hide your stupidity. They're not the ones bombing women and children.

Just starving them(apparently), their Muslim brothers and sisters.

Frank wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 6:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:53pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:34pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 9:39am: Belgarion wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 9:06am: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:32pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:30pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:13pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 7:47pm: The only food crisis in Gaza is that created by HAMAS with the help of the UN and compliant media. that's why Israel relented and agreed to let in aid agencies :D :D :D If Israel is the problem, why not access through Egypt?..or is that an issue you do not want to face?   ::) nice attempt at deflection but it won't work. if the food crisis isn't real, why has Israel relented and let in aid agencies to feed the starving? I see you will not answer this question. It is a reality that you are unable to face because it would shatter your illusions.  ::) keep running away :D Answer the question ::) Who gives a bugger about Egypt, it's just a deflection to hide your stupidity. They're not the ones bombing women and children. They just built a wall to keep the rabbits out.

the wall is to confuse idiots like you

Setanta wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 6:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:53pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:34pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 9:39am: Belgarion wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 9:06am: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:32pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:30pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:13pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 7:47pm: The only food crisis in Gaza is that created by HAMAS with the help of the UN and compliant media. that's why Israel relented and agreed to let in aid agencies :D :D :D If Israel is the problem, why not access through Egypt?..or is that an issue you do not want to face?   ::) nice attempt at deflection but it won't work. if the food crisis isn't real, why has Israel relented and let in aid agencies to feed the starving? I see you will not answer this question. It is a reality that you are unable to face because it would shatter your illusions.  ::) keep running away :D Answer the question ::) Who gives a bugger about Egypt, it's just a deflection to hide your stupidity. They're not the ones bombing women and children. Just starving them(apparently), their Muslim brothers and sisters.

they're not the ones starving them

and did you finally work out that muslims are not one homogenous group :D :D

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they're not the ones starving them

Yes they are. Israel does not control the border between Gaza and Egypt. Muslims are always harder on the Palestinians than naive westerners, because they know exactly what the score is.

Israel are the ones feeding them, as well as providing electricity, fuel, water etc.

Not that I blame the Egyptians. They have it right, along with the rest of the Arab league. It's Hamas who is responsible. Even when they are living of Israeli charity they cannot help but start pointless wars against Israel.

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freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2025 at 8:47am:

Israel does not control the border between Gaza and Egypt.

but it does kill aid workers once they are in gaza

Killing of Aid Workers and Civilians

IDF: 42
HAMAS: 42,000


My god Mimo! You're right.

dam jews , the Germans had the measure on the grubs back in the day knowing they're perennial whingers and never to be trusted , now they own america and get all thier arms supplies whilst most nations,  Including Australia under an lnp government get down on thier knees before zipper even down and suck em off so they dont get called a special word made up for the grubby cu next tuesdays , anti semites ... dam plea see e thank god Labor are in calling it for what it is

John Smith wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 8:24pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 6:32pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:53pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:34pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 9:39am: Belgarion wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 9:06am: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:32pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:30pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:13pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 7:47pm: The only food crisis in Gaza is that created by HAMAS with the help of the UN and compliant media. that's why Israel relented and agreed to let in aid agencies :D :D :D If Israel is the problem, why not access through Egypt?..or is that an issue you do not want to face?   ::) nice attempt at deflection but it won't work. if the food crisis isn't real, why has Israel relented and let in aid agencies to feed the starving? I see you will not answer this question. It is a reality that you are unable to face because it would shatter your illusions.  ::) keep running away :D Answer the question ::) Who gives a bugger about Egypt, it's just a deflection to hide your stupidity. They're not the ones bombing women and children. They just built a wall to keep the rabbits out. the wall is to confuse idiots like you

In December 2009, Egypt started the building of a border barrier along the Gaza border, consisting of a steel wall that would be 10–11 km (6–7 miles) long and extend 18 m (60 feet) below the surface.

To keep the rabbits AND the moles out.

LNP never again wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 9:01pm:

dam jews , the Germans had the measure on the grubs back in the day knowing they're perennial whingers and never to be trusted , now they own america and get all thier arms supplies whilst most nations,  Including Australia under an lnp government get down on thier knees before zipper even down and suck em off so they dont get called a special word made up for the grubby cu next tuesdays , anti semites ... dam plea see e thank god Labor are in calling it for what it is

The hoof is well and truly showing.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/743173865090555

Looks like Australians are about to take back the asylum.... this is building...

Just look at this - I'm not advertising it but.... people are rising...

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60% 1st cousin marriage

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSSba5ocq/

The Australian rally is indeed growing.

The government crackdown will be fast and furious with police actions similar to those during Covid.

Convicts don’t have a right to protest.

LNP never again wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 9:01pm:

dam jews , the Germans had the measure on the grubs back in the day knowing they're perennial whingers and never to be trusted , now they own america and get all thier arms supplies whilst most nations,  Including Australia under an lnp government get down on thier knees before zipper even down and suck em off so they dont get called a special word made up for the grubby cu next tuesdays , anti semites ... dam plea see e thank god Labor are in calling it for what it is

You can’t be serious?

Daves2017 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2025 at 9:33am:

The Australian rally is indeed growing. The government crackdown will be fast and furious with police actions similar to those during Covid. Convicts don’t have a right to protest.

Absolutely correct - since 1788 our 'governments' have always followed the basic principle that EVERY ordinary Australian is a lesser being (child of a lesser god), and is a vassal of the state and totally subject to it in every way.  It was not until the endless parade of Royal Commissions into police forces across the country that police began to change from being - literally - a form of Gestapo who simply imposed on anyone at whim, and which approach was supported by the 'courts' without any question - and the 'rights' of any defendant virtually did not exist.  Once those commissions hammered that approach of deliberate oppression by blatant lies and such, the courts had to begin to change as well.

After all those disgraceful outcomes, time after time, firstly the petty Fascists in 'government' - like Bob Carr - actually allied with this instrument of oppression by coming up with the brilliant idea (now long discredited) of 'zero tolerance' - which rather than permitting the results of Royal Commissions to be put in place, actually handed back uncontrolled power to the dying gasps of the Ancien Regime of police treating the public as public enemy #1 on any pretext, an opportunity for a last hurrah before more thinking and reasoning and actually lawful policing became the norm.

Many of them reveled in it before they were slowly but surely 'retired' - often on mental grounds - meaning that regardless of the dreadful harm they caused to so many, no matter how many ordinary lives they destroyed, they still got out with a fat pension for life.

To add to that last gasp, Carr - at the behest of Keating who forced his idea of 'uniform DV laws' on the states under threat of cutting GST money - installed that vile end run around legal rights by creating out of thin air the form of 'law' that said any individual could be dragged before a court on the basis of any denunciation.... and once there had no right of defence and would have sanctions by the 'court' imposed - all totally illegal. Now anyone could be made into an 'instant criminal' or 'created criminal' at the drop of a hasty word .... You now see that approach extended to cover 'Islamophobic comments' or 'racist comments and thoughts' and 'misgendering (LMFAO), and all the other utter rubbish that passes for the 'rights' of some unelected 'commission' loaded with fellow travelers to impose on anyone at whim.

Most of you could not see that.... and could not see that the end game was the reduction in political, personal and social power of the primarily Men affected .. so as to facilitate a coup - something enhanced by offering endless bribes to the women who were replacing all these 'bad' men ....

What we are seeing now with Albo and his cohorts is an attempted coup from the Ancien Regime - the Satlino-Fascists, and this time, as I predicted over thirty years ago now, many women are copping it now as well and without the sword and shield of men protecting their rights - an attempt to re-establish the rule of governments unbound by law, decency, and humanity, and of 'law' becoming the instrument of actual oppression of the majority rather than the servant of liberty for all equally - to try to re-establish the absolute control of governments elect and appointed (by themselves) over the 'convict colony' and impose their will at whim and without recourse to any true rendering of Law.

I'm glad you raised that issue of the convicts, Dave - it is a very real one for this country - and shows the way ahead for true Democracy here - something very much needed at this time when the world is becoming a dark place and our 'political leadership' is trying to re-impose its absolute control over every individual, like the true Stalino-Fascists they are in reality.

These gatherings are the first stirrings of True Democracy being demanded.... choose your side....

John Smith wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 8:26pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:53pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:34pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 9:39am: Belgarion wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 9:06am: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:32pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:30pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:13pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 7:47pm: The only food crisis in Gaza is that created by HAMAS with the help of the UN and compliant media. that's why Israel relented and agreed to let in aid agencies :D :D :D If Israel is the problem, why not access through Egypt?..or is that an issue you do not want to face?   ::) nice attempt at deflection but it won't work. if the food crisis isn't real, why has Israel relented and let in aid agencies to feed the starving? I see you will not answer this question. It is a reality that you are unable to face because it would shatter your illusions.  ::) keep running away :D Answer the question ::) Who gives a bugger about Egypt, it's just a deflection to hide your stupidity. They're not the ones bombing women and children. Just starving them(apparently), their Muslim brothers and sisters. they're not the ones starving them and did you finally work out that muslims are not one homogenous group :D :D

Well dickhead - according to some of the Muslim chanters on the bridge "In our thousands, in our millions - we are all Palestinians".

LNP never again wrote on Aug 8^th, 2025 at 9:01pm:

dam jews , the Germans had the measure on the grubs back in the day knowing they're perennial whingers and never to be trusted , now they own america and get all thier arms supplies whilst most nations,  Including Australia under an lnp government get down on thier knees before zipper even down and suck em off so they dont get called a special word made up for the grubby cu next tuesdays , anti semites ... dam plea see e thank god Labor are in calling it for what it is

Nazi & terrorist supporting scumbag  >:(

Here's an observation I found that about sums up the hypocrisy of the Labor Govt & leftist virtue signalers.


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Watching the news tonight you'd think the country is being invaded by Hitler and his N@zis. Why is it that hundreds of thousands can openly hate on Jews, chant death to the IDF, want Israelis dead, blow up their businesses and synagogues, beat them up etc etc for the last 2 years while our PM and other political figures stay silent in support? Yet 100 bored white blokes march down a street (who knows who they hate, probably Jews) and the media and politicians start jumping up and down clutching their pearls and wanting to change laws, ban masks etc etc because they are the far right!!!! From where I sit, both of these groups are made up of people that I want nothing to do with, yet for some reason Islam and protesters on the left get a free pass and everything else is far right and something to be hysterically frightened of. Make sure you check under your bed tonight because there  might just be a scary far right boogie man waiting to get you!

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Gnads wrote on Aug 10^th, 2025 at 10:21am:

Why is it that hundreds of thousands can openly hate on Jews, chant death to the IDF, want Israelis dead, blow up their businesses and synagogues, beat them up etc etc for the last 2 years while our PM and other political figures stay silent in support?

because thats not what they were doing


I hope we've sorted out your confusion now

An excellent summation of the mindset of the 'progressives' who support Hamas and believe the Israelis are the problem. This would be uncomfortable listening for the usual suspects on here, if they were capable of any sort of moral introspection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDBlatl0C5Y

Belgarion wrote on Aug 10^th, 2025 at 11:12am:

An excellent summation of the mindset of the 'progressives' who support Hamas and believe the Israelis are the problem. This would be uncomfortable listening for the usual suspects on here, if they were capable of any sort of moral introspection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDBlatl0C5Y

So true.  I doubt any of them who support these atrocities think your way.  They are clearly insane.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 10^th, 2025 at 1:11pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 11:12am: An excellent summation of the mindset of the 'progressives' who support Hamas and believe the Israelis are the problem. This would be uncomfortable listening for the usual suspects on here, if they were capable of any sort of moral introspection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDBlatl0C5Y So true.  I doubt any of them who support these atrocities think your way.  They are clearly insane.

Yes, she's always very asute.

Gnads wrote on Aug 10^th, 2025 at 10:21am:

Here's an observation I found that about sums up the hypocrisy of the Labor Govt & leftist virtue signalers. Quote: Watching the news tonight you'd think the country is being invaded by Hitler and his N@zis. Why is it that hundreds of thousands can openly hate on Jews, chant death to the IDF, want Israelis dead, blow up their businesses and synagogues, beat them up etc etc for the last 2 years while our PM and other political figures stay silent in support? Yet 100 bored white blokes march down a street (who knows who they hate, probably Jews) and the media and politicians start jumping up and down clutching their pearls and wanting to change laws, ban masks etc etc because they are the far right!!!! From where I sit, both of these groups are made up of people that I want nothing to do with, yet for some reason Islam and protesters on the left get a free pass and everything else is far right and something to be hysterically frightened of. Make sure you check under your bed tonight because there  might just be a scary far right boogie man waiting to get you!

I can’t see any difference but apparently the new   Illegal and deceptive laws Chris Minns labor government passed don’t apply to people of the muslin religion.

Daves2017 wrote on Aug 10^th, 2025 at 3:07pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 10:21am: Here's an observation I found that about sums up the hypocrisy of the Labor Govt & leftist virtue signalers. Quote: Watching the news tonight you'd think the country is being invaded by Hitler and his N@zis. Why is it that hundreds of thousands can openly hate on Jews, chant death to the IDF, want Israelis dead, blow up their businesses and synagogues, beat them up etc etc for the last 2 years while our PM and other political figures stay silent in support? Yet 100 bored white blokes march down a street (who knows who they hate, probably Jews) and the media and politicians start jumping up and down clutching their pearls and wanting to change laws, ban masks etc etc because they are the far right!!!! From where I sit, both of these groups are made up of people that I want nothing to do with, yet for some reason Islam and protesters on the left get a free pass and everything else is far right and something to be hysterically frightened of. Make sure you check under your bed tonight because there  might just be a scary far right boogie man waiting to get you! I can’t see any difference but apparently the new   Illegal and deceptive laws Chris Minns labor government passed don’t apply to people of the muslin religion.

Link?

The Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund is a financial program operated by the Palestinian Authority (PA). It operates through two main channels: The Foundation for the Care of the Families of Martyrs that provides monthly financial support to the families of Palestinians who were killed, injured, or detained in connection with acts of violence against Israelis; and the Prisoners Fund that delivers payments to Palestinians currently held in Israeli prisons.[1][2][3] As of 2018, the stipends amounted to $330 million, or 7% of the PA's annual budget.

Critics often call the fund "pay for slay" and blame the payments for "encouraging terrorism". In 2007, the World Bank argued that the fund did "not seem justified from a welfare or fiscal perspective."

John Smith wrote on Aug 10^th, 2025 at 10:51am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 10:21am: Why is it that hundreds of thousands can openly hate on Jews, chant death to the IDF, want Israelis dead, blow up their businesses and synagogues, beat them up etc etc for the last 2 years while our PM and other political figures stay silent in support? because thats not what they were doing I hope we've sorted out your confusion now

They were Rip Van Winkle

I hope you don't drive - you may need sleep therapy.

Gnads wrote on Aug 10^th, 2025 at 6:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 10:21am: Why is it that hundreds of thousands can openly hate on Jews, chant death to the IDF, want Israelis dead, blow up their businesses and synagogues, beat them up etc etc for the last 2 years while our PM and other political figures stay silent in support? because thats not what they were doing I hope we've sorted out your confusion now They were Rip Van Winkle I hope you don't drive - you may need sleep therapy.

No, they weren't. No matter how much you screech otherwise.

Frank wrote on Aug 10^th, 2025 at 1:23pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 1:11pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 11:12am: An excellent summation of the mindset of the 'progressives' who support Hamas and believe the Israelis are the problem. This would be uncomfortable listening for the usual suspects on here, if they were capable of any sort of moral introspection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDBlatl0C5Y So true.  I doubt any of them who support these atrocities think your way.  They are clearly insane. Yes, she's always very asute.

Astute too.        :)


Belgarion,

Nice, succinct YT message.    .....based 100% upon disturbing facts and truth.

Well - the Poms are finally waking up:-

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c2/25/6d/c2256dd8e27dc573e92f88a44c683d16.gif

"Hundreds of people arrested during Palestine Action protest in the UK

Hundreds of people have been arrested in London during a demonstration by the banned group Palestine Action.

Membership of or sharing support for Palestine Action is a criminal offence following the UK government’s decision to proscribe the group as a terrorist organisation.

The UK government proscribed Palestine Action last month, in July, after activists broke into a military base and sprayed two RAF planes with red paint."

Demmit, Sir - even the jolly old English have had enough of this rot!! "Spraying ahr plenes is just TOO much!", brayed the air commodore.... to the Tower with them all..... pending the scaffold...

You can kick the ordinary citizen, you can abuse and insult Jews, you can hate Israel and cry for genocide of all Jews - but damage the government's property?

That is the end of it!!

Crafty old Albo says he will recognise A Palestinian state.... not THE Palestinian state... as usual you have to read his words carefully - he is the master at craw-fishing.

So - when and where will there be - if ever - a 'Palestinian state'?

Marrickville?  South Afghanistan?  Gobi desert?  Tasmania?

Wait a minute - the craw daddy just said on Novosti - 'THE state of Palestine' - so again - where is this state?  It has yet to be declared and then recognised.  There is no State called Palestine at this time... so as usual Crawdaddy Antonio is having a bet each way.. The Crawfish Handicap.

John Smith wrote on Aug 10^th, 2025 at 10:51am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 10:21am: Why is it that hundreds of thousands can openly hate on Jews, chant death to the IDF, want Israelis dead, blow up their businesses and synagogues, beat them up etc etc for the last 2 years while our PM and other political figures stay silent in support? because thats not what they were doing I hope we've sorted out your confusion now

Take Aussie for example. He doesn't hate Jews. But he would kill ten million of them to get rid of Israel.

John Smith wrote on Aug 10^th, 2025 at 7:09pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 6:18pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 10:21am: Why is it that hundreds of thousands can openly hate on Jews, chant death to the IDF, want Israelis dead, blow up their businesses and synagogues, beat them up etc etc for the last 2 years while our PM and other political figures stay silent in support? because thats not what they were doing I hope we've sorted out your confusion now They were Rip Van Winkle I hope you don't drive - you may need sleep therapy. No, they weren't. No matter how much you screech otherwise.

So you're deaf, blind & stupid?

Belgarion wrote on Aug 10^th, 2025 at 11:12am:

An excellent summation of the mindset of the 'progressives' who support Hamas and believe the Israelis are the problem. This would be uncomfortable listening for the usual suspects on here, if they were capable of any sort of moral introspection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDBlatl0C5Y

Well said Belgarion.

If the Left feel they can't rule Politics (from their comfy Media couch). They now (because they are failing) strive to ruin Politics itself so no-one else can.

Belgarion wrote on Aug 10^th, 2025 at 11:12am:

An excellent summation of the mindset of the 'progressives' who support Hamas and believe the Israelis are the problem. This would be uncomfortable listening for the usual suspects on here, if they were capable of any sort of moral introspection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDBlatl0C5Y

A sleight of hand there... "Israelis, who have taken their land away from them and are oppressing them... now, put that to one side..."

Apply the same sleight of hand to Iraq and Afghanistan...

"Iraq and Afghanistan, that had nothing to do with 9/11, were attacked anyway... now, put that to one side..."

'We are the strangers, killing an Arab'

freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 9:11am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 10:21am: Why is it that hundreds of thousands can openly hate on Jews, chant death to the IDF, want Israelis dead, blow up their businesses and synagogues, beat them up etc etc for the last 2 years while our PM and other political figures stay silent in support? because thats not what they were doing I hope we've sorted out your confusion now Take Aussie for example. He doesn't hate Jews. But he would kill ten million of them to get rid of Israel.

is there a reason you always keep deflecting from Israels attempted genocide to a comment some nobody on a online forum makes?

Gnads wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 9:21am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 7:09pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 6:18pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 10:21am: Why is it that hundreds of thousands can openly hate on Jews, chant death to the IDF, want Israelis dead, blow up their businesses and synagogues, beat them up etc etc for the last 2 years while our PM and other political figures stay silent in support? because thats not what they were doing I hope we've sorted out your confusion now They were Rip Van Winkle I hope you don't drive - you may need sleep therapy. No, they weren't. No matter how much you screech otherwise. So you're deaf, blind & stupid?

None of the above .. and unlike you, I'm also not hallucinating

John Smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 10:56am:

freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 9:11am: John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 10:21am: Why is it that hundreds of thousands can openly hate on Jews, chant death to the IDF, want Israelis dead, blow up their businesses and synagogues, beat them up etc etc for the last 2 years while our PM and other political figures stay silent in support? because thats not what they were doing I hope we've sorted out your confusion now Take Aussie for example. He doesn't hate Jews. But he would kill ten million of them to get rid of Israel. is there a reason you always keep deflecting from Israels attempted genocide to a comment some nobody on a online forum makes?

The Muslims want to wipe out the Jews, and have repeatedly tried, but are not capable of doing so. The Israelis are capable of wiping out the Gazans, but do not want to. Israel's population includes about 20% Arab Muslims. They have more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/ethnic_cleansing.jpg

you keep posting that meme as if it's even relevant to whats happened in the last year or so :D

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 10:22am:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 11:12am: An excellent summation of the mindset of the 'progressives' who support Hamas and believe the Israelis are the problem. This would be uncomfortable listening for the usual suspects on here, if they were capable of any sort of moral introspection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDBlatl0C5Y A sleight of hand there... "Israelis, who have taken their land away from them and are oppressing them... now, put that to one side..." Apply the same sleight of hand to Iraq and Afghanistan... "Iraq and Afghanistan, that had nothing to do with 9/11, were attacked anyway... now, put that to one side..." 'We are the strangers, killing an Arab'

However the Qur'an specifically states that God promised the land of Israel, including Jerusalem, to the Jews.  This land known as the Holy Land from the Nile to the Euphrates also includes not only Jerusalem and Palestine, but a large part of Egypt and Iraq, and all of Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.

And [mention, O Muhammad], when Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of Allah [God] upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds. O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back and [thus] become losers." [Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:20-21]

According to Saied Shoaaib an Egyptian author and journalist who writes on Islamists, terrorism and Islamic extremism -

Although ordinary Muslims who might not actually have read their holy book could be excused for their ignorance about the Jewish roots of and rights to Israel and Jerusalem, the same cannot be said for the leaders of Muslim countries, imams and the heads of illustrious Islamic institutions. Dignitaries and scholars of that caliber should know better. Yet many of them repeat false assertions that contradict the Quran and scholarly interpretations of its verses.

John Smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 11:02am:

you keep posting that meme as if it's even relevant to whats happened in the last year or so :D

You are the one accusing Israel of genocide John, so the fact that this is just another lie that gullible loonie lefties like you, Greg and Nail spread on behalf of terrorist organisations is entirely relevant.

The population of Gaza is even higher now, BTW.

Aquarius wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 11:06am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 10:22am: Belgarion wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 11:12am: An excellent summation of the mindset of the 'progressives' who support Hamas and believe the Israelis are the problem. This would be uncomfortable listening for the usual suspects on here, if they were capable of any sort of moral introspection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDBlatl0C5Y A sleight of hand there... "Israelis, who have taken their land away from them and are oppressing them... now, put that to one side..." Apply the same sleight of hand to Iraq and Afghanistan... "Iraq and Afghanistan, that had nothing to do with 9/11, were attacked anyway... now, put that to one side..." 'We are the strangers, killing an Arab' However the Qur'an specifically states that God promised the land of Israel, including Jerusalem, to the Jews.  This land known as the Holy Land from the Nile to the Euphrates also includes not only Jerusalem and Palestine, but a large part of Egypt and Iraq, and all of Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.

So you're a believer in the truth of ancient tribal scripts and lore, then?

Maybe dreamtime spirits promised the land your house is on to an Aboriginal clan.

freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 11:07am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 11:02am: you keep posting that meme as if it's even relevant to whats happened in the last year or so :D You are the one accusing Israel of genocide John, .

No one ever said they were doing it since 2948 FD. We are discussing the current Palestinian / israeli war. Bringing in the population compared to post WWII, rather then anything remotely supportive of your claimed position,  is just more deflection from you.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 11:15am:

Aquarius wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 11:06am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 10:22am: Belgarion wrote on Aug 10th, 2025 at 11:12am: An excellent summation of the mindset of the 'progressives' who support Hamas and believe the Israelis are the problem. This would be uncomfortable listening for the usual suspects on here, if they were capable of any sort of moral introspection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDBlatl0C5Y A sleight of hand there... "Israelis, who have taken their land away from them and are oppressing them... now, put that to one side..." Apply the same sleight of hand to Iraq and Afghanistan... "Iraq and Afghanistan, that had nothing to do with 9/11, were attacked anyway... now, put that to one side..." 'We are the strangers, killing an Arab' However the Qur'an specifically states that God promised the land of Israel, including Jerusalem, to the Jews.  This land known as the Holy Land from the Nile to the Euphrates also includes not only Jerusalem and Palestine, but a large part of Egypt and Iraq, and all of Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. So you're a believer in the truth of ancient tribal scripts and lore, then? Maybe dreamtime spirits promised the land your house is on to an Aboriginal clan.

It's not what I believe in.  It's what mussos believe in - and they believe implicitly in their Qur'an because it is the word of Allah!

Except it seems when it's not beneficial to them.  How could Allah have given everything to the Jews?  But it's there in black and white in their Qur'an - the holiest book of all.

Aquarius wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 11:24am:

It's not what I believe in.  It's what mussos believe in - and they believe implicitly in their Qur'an because it is the word of Allah! Except it seems when it's not beneficial to them.

much like you're doing

Aquarius wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 11:24am:

It's not what I believe in.  It's what mussos believe in - and they believe implicitly in their Qur'an because it is the word of Allah! Except it seems when it's not beneficial to them.  How could Allah have given everything to the Jews?  But it's there in black and white in their Qur'an - the holiest book of all.

Do you seriously think that when people are evicted from their land, on which whose families have lived for dozens of generations, that their grievances are predicated solely on an ancient religious script?

If someone evicted you from your land, would your first reference be to point to any script other than the title deeds to the land?

Well I'm not a religious fanatic.  I live in the real world.

They don't.  That's the difference.  And the Qur'an is as alive to them today as it was when Mohommed wrote it.   >:(

Except in this case where Allah gave the Holy Land to the Jews.   ;D

Aquarius wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 11:36am:

Well I'm not a religious fanatic.  I live in the real world. They don't.  That's the difference.  And the Qur'an is as alive to them today as it was when Mohommed wrote it.   >:( Except in this case where Allah gave the Holy Land to the Jews.   ;D

Nevermind that I'd bet you've never spoken to a Muslim on Islamic doctrinal matters, you can reasonably presume that, as humans like you, they will feel deeply aggrieved from having property stolen from them before they refer to a passage in an ancient religious script.

For devout Christians, the Bible is also alive to them as when it was written by unknown scribes... Do Christians, therefore, believe they have a right to keep slaves?

You're a good example of the general blood-simple stupidity that pervades most of the debate on this forum.

Millions of Germans were expelled from Eastern Europe at the end of WWII, their property confiscated without compensation.
They are not the only population to whom this happened but are probably the largest.

They are not waging bloody intifada 80 years on and there is no UN Agency for German Refugees.

Would anyone argue that both Pakistanis east of and Indians west of the Partition line do not equally have a right to feel deeply aggrieved over the loss of property and the lives of many family members that Partition caused?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 12:05pm:

Would anyone argue that both Pakistanis east of and Indians west of the Partition line do not equally have a right to feel deeply aggrieved over the loss of property and the lives of many family members that Partition caused?

For the halfwits here who use the German experience in a context similar to the Partition of India/Pakistan, might want to look up what Germans were collectively responsible for immediately before their expulsion... notwithstanding that those individual Germans evicted would still have some moral right to feel deeply aggrieved.

Aggrieved is one thing.

Having your own UN Refugee agency for 80 year, wagung bloody jihad for 80 yers, spending vast sums of international humanitarian aid on wepons, refusing half a dozen offers of settlement, demanding the complete destruction of a country - that's quite another thing.

why can's post be edited here? why doesn't the spell checker work?

FD?

I wonder what Australians would think of, say, an Indonesian ethnic group that claimed historical rights to parts of northern Australia, citing ancient trade links and settlements, who then subsequently invaded and forcibly evicted the current landowners.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 12:12pm:

I wonder what Australians would think of, say, an Indonesian ethnic group that claimed historical rights to parts of northern Australia, citing ancient trade links and settlements, who then subsequently invaded and forcibly evicted the current landowners.

And what if, when confronted by inevitable Australian fury at the invasion, they responded with, 'well, you're claiming land where no one is living... your only claim to it is a line on a map and that it is part of a continent you've called Australia'.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 12:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:12pm: I wonder what Australians would think of, say, an Indonesian ethnic group that claimed historical rights to parts of northern Australia, citing ancient trade links and settlements, who then subsequently invaded and forcibly evicted the current landowners. And what if, when confronted by inevitable Australian fury at the invasion, they responded with, 'well, you're claiming land where no one is living... your only claim to it is a line on a map and that it is part of a continent you've called Australia'.

Israel was esteblished by a UN decree  which at the same time established the Palestinian statelet alongside it. It wasnt like the Indonesian invasion of East Timor.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 12:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:12pm: I wonder what Australians would think of, say, an Indonesian ethnic group that claimed historical rights to parts of northern Australia, citing ancient trade links and settlements, who then subsequently invaded and forcibly evicted the current landowners. And what if, when confronted by inevitable Australian fury at the invasion, they responded with, 'well, you're claiming land where no one is living... your only claim to it is a line on a map and that it is part of a continent you've called Australia'.

And what if the UN agreed with the Indonesian tribe over Australians?

Would there not be a sentiment among all Australians, 'The UN Security Council has made its decision, now see them try to enforce it'.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 11:45am:

Aquarius wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 11:36am: Well I'm not a religious fanatic.  I live in the real world. They don't.  That's the difference.  And the Qur'an is as alive to them today as it was when Mohommed wrote it.   >:( Except in this case where Allah gave the Holy Land to the Jews.   ;D Nevermind that I'd bet you've never spoken to a Muslim on Islamic doctrinal matters, you can reasonably presume that, as humans like you, they will feel deeply aggrieved from having property stolen from them before they refer to a passage in an ancient religious script. For devout Christians, the Bible is also alive to them as when it was written by unknown scribes... Do Christians, therefore, believe they have a right to keep slaves? You're a good example of the general blood-simple stupidity that pervades most of the debate on this forum.

We've had a few local Muslims post on here. Aquarius is right about them. There is a reason that every Muslim majority nation is a shithole and getting worse, and the worst ones are the ones that have been under the yoke of Islam for the longest.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 11:45am:

Aquarius wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 11:36am: Well I'm not a religious fanatic.  I live in the real world. They don't.  That's the difference.  And the Qur'an is as alive to them today as it was when Mohommed wrote it.   >:( Except in this case where Allah gave the Holy Land to the Jews.   ;D Nevermind that I'd bet you've never spoken to a Muslim on Islamic doctrinal matters, you can reasonably presume that, as humans like you, they will feel deeply aggrieved from having property stolen from them before they refer to a passage in an ancient religious script. For devout Christians, the Bible is also alive to them as when it was written by unknown scribes... Do Christians, therefore, believe they have a right to keep slaves? You're a good example of the general blood-simple stupidity that pervades most of the debate on this forum.

And you're a perfect example of pig ignorance. 

So, you have spoken to a Muslim on Islamic doctrinal matters, I assume?  Did he tell you that the Qur'an has remained unchanged for over 1400 years?  And it will never change to reflect modern day values ... in which case, Allah giving the Holy Land to the Jews remains a constant to this day. 

However it is in the Bible that Christians have to live by the law of the land. And that those laws will change. Although Christians are pretty secular these days, that is not the case for mussos and their Qur'an.  What was written in the 6th century must be followed today.

Aquarius wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 1:10pm:

And you're a perfect example of pig ignorance.  So, you have spoken to a Muslim on Islamic doctrinal matters, I assume?  Did he tell you that the Qur'an has remained unchanged for over 1400 years?  And it will never change to reflect modern day values ... in which case, Allah giving the Holy Land to the Jews remains a constant to this day.  However it is in the Bible that Christians have to live by the law of the land. And that those laws will change. Although Christians are pretty secular these days, that is not the case for mussos and their Qur'an.  What was written in the 6th century must be followed today.

I haven't referred to ancient religious doctrinal scripts; you have, and without any knowledge of them or having spoken to any Muslim about them.

All very convenient that you then impose your half-witted assessment of them onto all Muslims, while giving all devout and non-devout alike Christians an out in the next breath.

freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 12:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 11:45am: Aquarius wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 11:36am: Well I'm not a religious fanatic.  I live in the real world. They don't.  That's the difference.  And the Qur'an is as alive to them today as it was when Mohommed wrote it.   >:( Except in this case where Allah gave the Holy Land to the Jews.   ;D Nevermind that I'd bet you've never spoken to a Muslim on Islamic doctrinal matters, you can reasonably presume that, as humans like you, they will feel deeply aggrieved from having property stolen from them before they refer to a passage in an ancient religious script. For devout Christians, the Bible is also alive to them as when it was written by unknown scribes... Do Christians, therefore, believe they have a right to keep slaves? You're a good example of the general blood-simple stupidity that pervades most of the debate on this forum. We've had a few local Muslims post on here. Aquarius is right about them. There is a reason that every Muslim majority nation is a shithole and getting worse, and the worst ones are the ones that have been under the yoke of Islam for the longest.

I actually know quite a bit about muslims and what they get up to here.  I worked for them for 8 years back in the late 80s early 90s.  Suffice to say I have never seen corruption like I did in that place.  And whilst the bosses were seemingly benign businessmen, they got up to so much crap like taxation and insurance fraud, export grant fraud, underpaying the factory staff and denying them their entitlements, illegal immigration, refusing to pay tradespeople and almost bankrupting some of them, theft of electricity by bypassing the meters, etc etc etc. 

So I was motivated to learn as much as I could about muslims, Islam, the Qur'an.  I would listen to the mussos wailing away as they prayed up in the mezzanine several times a day and I read extensively dozens of books on Islam and the Qur'an, dozens by muslim females and their shocking treatment by a misogynistic musso culture. 

The only reason I was working there was because they needed a couple of Australian staff in key positions who could negotiate with govt departments and immigration.  Who knew the ropes, who could write the letters and make things happen.  When I walked out of that place for the last time, I was done.  Burnt out.  But I was determined to bring the whole lot of them down ... and I did, starting with the Tax Office ....

Aquarius wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 1:24pm:

I actually know quite a bit about muslims and what they get up to here.  I worked for them for 8 years back in the late 80s early 90s.  Suffice to say I have never seen corruption like I did in that place.  And whilst the bosses were seemingly benign businessmen, they got up to so much crap like taxation and insurance fraud, export grant fraud, underpaying the factory staff and denying them their entitlements, illegal immigration, refusing to pay tradespeople and almost bankrupting some of them, theft of electricity by bypassing the meters, etc etc etc.

Ever worked in, say, South America? All Christian countries...

Corruption, much?

Frank wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 12:10pm:

why can's post be edited here? why doesn't the spell checker work?

Testicle.

Edit worked fine.

Flip

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 12:39pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:24pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:12pm: I wonder what Australians would think of, say, an Indonesian ethnic group that claimed historical rights to parts of northern Australia, citing ancient trade links and settlements, who then subsequently invaded and forcibly evicted the current landowners. And what if, when confronted by inevitable Australian fury at the invasion, they responded with, 'well, you're claiming land where no one is living... your only claim to it is a line on a map and that it is part of a continent you've called Australia'. And what if the UN agreed with the Indonesian tribe over Australians? Would there not be a sentiment among all Australians, 'The UN Security Council has made its decision, now see them try to enforce it'.

And if ASEAN countries condemned our attacks on the ethnic Indonesian invaders?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 2:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:39pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:24pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:12pm: I wonder what Australians would think of, say, an Indonesian ethnic group that claimed historical rights to parts of northern Australia, citing ancient trade links and settlements, who then subsequently invaded and forcibly evicted the current landowners. And what if, when confronted by inevitable Australian fury at the invasion, they responded with, 'well, you're claiming land where no one is living... your only claim to it is a line on a map and that it is part of a continent you've called Australia'. And what if the UN agreed with the Indonesian tribe over Australians? Would there not be a sentiment among all Australians, 'The UN Security Council has made its decision, now see them try to enforce it'. And if ASEAN countries condemned our attacks on the ethnic Indonesian invaders?

And if the only country sympathetic to our cause and that offered us military assistance against the invaders was, say.... Iran?

Palestine Recognised


....................................................... now all they have to do is figure out where it is or ever has been ........

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 3:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 2:51pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:39pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:24pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:12pm: I wonder what Australians would think of, say, an Indonesian ethnic group that claimed historical rights to parts of northern Australia, citing ancient trade links and settlements, who then subsequently invaded and forcibly evicted the current landowners. And what if, when confronted by inevitable Australian fury at the invasion, they responded with, 'well, you're claiming land where no one is living... your only claim to it is a line on a map and that it is part of a continent you've called Australia'. And what if the UN agreed with the Indonesian tribe over Australians? Would there not be a sentiment among all Australians, 'The UN Security Council has made its decision, now see them try to enforce it'. And if ASEAN countries condemned our attacks on the ethnic Indonesian invaders? And if the only country sympathetic to our cause and that offered us military assistance against the invaders was, say.... Iran?

... never happen - not worth even mentioning .......

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What if an Abo group claimed a chunk of Australia - saying your only claim is a line on a map and calling the joint Australia.... oh - and the formal recognition and acknowledgement that it IS now Australia... by international law...

I recognise the state of Meisterine ... does that make him a state?  When was he formally recognised as such and accepted as a nation?

What we have here is a failure to communicate - recognition by an individual nation is not the same as Recognition as a State...

Aquarius wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 11:36am:

Well I'm not a religious fanatic.  I live in the real world.  ;D

And, like many religious fanatics, you have no problem using religion to further your own agenda

Aquarius wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 1:10pm:

So, you have spoken to a Muslim on Islamic doctrinal matters, I assume?  Did he tell you that the Qur'an has remained unchanged for over 1400 years?  And it will never change to reflect modern day values

Neither the bible, nor the Koran, should change. They're about things that happened in the past, not about modern day values. Either they're the word of god, or Allah, or they're not.

Aquarius wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 1:24pm:

I actually know quite a bit about muslims and what they get up to here.  I worked for them for 8 years back in the late 80s early 90s.  Suffice to say I have never seen corruption like I did in that place.  And whilst the bosses were seemingly benign businessmen, they got up to so much crap like taxation and insurance fraud, export grant fraud, underpaying the factory staff and denying them their entitlements, illegal immigration, refusing to pay tradespeople and almost bankrupting some of them, theft of electricity by bypassing the meters, etc etc etc.  .

like Trump? Perhaps he's muslim?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 1:27pm:

Aquarius wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 1:24pm: I actually know quite a bit about muslims and what they get up to here.  I worked for them for 8 years back in the late 80s early 90s.  Suffice to say I have never seen corruption like I did in that place.  And whilst the bosses were seemingly benign businessmen, they got up to so much crap like taxation and insurance fraud, export grant fraud, underpaying the factory staff and denying them their entitlements, illegal immigration, refusing to pay tradespeople and almost bankrupting some of them, theft of electricity by bypassing the meters, etc etc etc.  Ever worked in, say, South America? All Christian countries... Corruption, much?

they merely reflect modern day values :D :D :D :D

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 3:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 2:51pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:39pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:24pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:12pm: I wonder what Australians would think of, say, an Indonesian ethnic group that claimed historical rights to parts of northern Australia, citing ancient trade links and settlements, who then subsequently invaded and forcibly evicted the current landowners. And what if, when confronted by inevitable Australian fury at the invasion, they responded with, 'well, you're claiming land where no one is living... your only claim to it is a line on a map and that it is part of a continent you've called Australia'. And what if the UN agreed with the Indonesian tribe over Australians? Would there not be a sentiment among all Australians, 'The UN Security Council has made its decision, now see them try to enforce it'. And if ASEAN countries condemned our attacks on the ethnic Indonesian invaders? And if the only country sympathetic to our cause and that offered us military assistance against the invaders was, say.... Iran?

And, if Australian combatant volunteers concentrated in Darwin to take guerrilla action against the invaders, that prompts the Indonesian government to declare Darwin a terrorist stronghold and decide to isolate and bomb it.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 3:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 2:51pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:39pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:24pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:12pm: I wonder what Australians would think of, say, an Indonesian ethnic group that claimed historical rights to parts of northern Australia, citing ancient trade links and settlements, who then subsequently invaded and forcibly evicted the current landowners. And what if, when confronted by inevitable Australian fury at the invasion, they responded with, 'well, you're claiming land where no one is living... your only claim to it is a line on a map and that it is part of a continent you've called Australia'. And what if the UN agreed with the Indonesian tribe over Australians? Would there not be a sentiment among all Australians, 'The UN Security Council has made its decision, now see them try to enforce it'. And if ASEAN countries condemned our attacks on the ethnic Indonesian invaders? And if the only country sympathetic to our cause and that offered us military assistance against the invaders was, say.... Iran?

And Indonesia, in support of the Indonesian ethnic group now located in northern Australia, successfully lobbies ASEAN and ultimately the UN to recognise the land as a new nation-state, supporting their claim that 'people with no land have a right to land with no people'.

The Gaza car park should soon be ready for Trump's club med.
Such a visionary

Palestine recognised as an official and legal TERRORIST nation.
::)

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Ah - so now they'll all be good terrorists and behave according to law....  you can't put it past Albo and Penny...

dee-doop

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MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12^th, 2025 at 7:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 3:25pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 2:51pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:39pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:24pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:12pm: I wonder what Australians would think of, say, an Indonesian ethnic group that claimed historical rights to parts of northern Australia, citing ancient trade links and settlements, who then subsequently invaded and forcibly evicted the current landowners. And what if, when confronted by inevitable Australian fury at the invasion, they responded with, 'well, you're claiming land where no one is living... your only claim to it is a line on a map and that it is part of a continent you've called Australia'. And what if the UN agreed with the Indonesian tribe over Australians? Would there not be a sentiment among all Australians, 'The UN Security Council has made its decision, now see them try to enforce it'. And if ASEAN countries condemned our attacks on the ethnic Indonesian invaders? And if the only country sympathetic to our cause and that offered us military assistance against the invaders was, say.... Iran? And Indonesia, in support of the Indonesian ethnic group now located in northern Australia, successfully lobbies ASEAN and ultimately the UN to recognise the land as a new nation-state, supporting their claim that 'people with no land have a right to land with no people'.

So, if you think there's no case for the Palestinians, then you're arguing for the same to happen to us, in principle, in somewhere like northern Australia.

You'd be arguing in the affirmative that 'people with no land have a right to claim land with no people'.

There should be no recognition of a Palestinian state until Hamas disarms and free and fair elections are held and secondly, all hostages alive and dead are returned to Israel. Lastly, there must be a legally binding recognition of Israel's right to exist. They aren't going anywhere and this continued conflict which is costing lives on both sides - but mostly Palestinians - has to stop. Hamas is never, ever going to succeed in destroying Israel - it just isn't going to happen. It's like Fiji trying to take over China. It will never, ever happen.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 12:32am:

So, if you think there's no case for the Palestinians, then you're arguing for the same to happen to us, in principle, in somewhere like northern Australia. You'd be arguing in the affirmative that 'people with no land have a right to claim land with no people'.

If you're uncomfortable with the 'northern Australia' hypothetical...

What if certain legal migrant ethnic groups in Australia demanded the creation of, say, politically autonomous enclaves?

Quote:

What if certain legal migrant ethnic groups in Australia demanded the creation of, say, politically autonomous enclaves?

It's coming.

Frank wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 8:48am:

Quote: What if certain legal migrant ethnic groups in Australia demanded the creation of, say, politically autonomous enclaves? It's coming.

Are you the first wave?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 12:32am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 7:59pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 3:25pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 2:51pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:39pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:24pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 12th, 2025 at 12:12pm: I wonder what Australians would think of, say, an Indonesian ethnic group that claimed historical rights to parts of northern Australia, citing ancient trade links and settlements, who then subsequently invaded and forcibly evicted the current landowners. And what if, when confronted by inevitable Australian fury at the invasion, they responded with, 'well, you're claiming land where no one is living... your only claim to it is a line on a map and that it is part of a continent you've called Australia'. And what if the UN agreed with the Indonesian tribe over Australians? Would there not be a sentiment among all Australians, 'The UN Security Council has made its decision, now see them try to enforce it'. And if ASEAN countries condemned our attacks on the ethnic Indonesian invaders? And if the only country sympathetic to our cause and that offered us military assistance against the invaders was, say.... Iran? And Indonesia, in support of the Indonesian ethnic group now located in northern Australia, successfully lobbies ASEAN and ultimately the UN to recognise the land as a new nation-state, supporting their claim that 'people with no land have a right to land with no people'. So, if you think there's no case for the Palestinians, then you're arguing for the same to happen to us, in principle, in somewhere like northern Australia. You'd be arguing in the affirmative that 'people with no land have a right to claim land with no people'.

Your analogy doesn't work.

There was no Palestinian state even before the British Mandate. There was no invasion of one state, Israel, of another, Palestine.
Israel and a Palestinian state were created by the UN. The Jews accepted it, the Muslims didn't. Had they accepted statehood for the first time in their history, the Palestinians would be like Dubai now.

Instead they cling to a fascist jihadi ideology.

Recognising Palestine as a state won't make it a functioning state. It is still up to the locals to stop crapping on their own plate.

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 9:24am:

Recognising Palestine as a state won't make it a functioning state. It is still up to the locals to stop crapping on their own plate.

Israel and the Middle East in general has been a bloodthirsty, barbaric place for over 3,000 years.
If the British had really wanted to help the Jewish people after WW2 -
Israel was the worst place in the world to send them to -
pick almost anywhere else on Earth and it is most likely better.  ::)

For those obsessed with UN resolutions, need to read UN Resolutions on Israel's and Palestine's borders, particularly Resolution 242.

Should Israel withdraw from the occupied territories as required by the UN?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 9:30am:

freediver wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:24am: Recognising Palestine as a state won't make it a functioning state. It is still up to the locals to stop crapping on their own plate. Israel and the Middle East in general has been a bloodthirsty, barbaric place for over 3,000 years. If the British had really wanted to help the Jewish people after WW2 - Israel was the worst place in the world to send them to - pick almost anywhere else on Earth and it is most likely better.  ::)

The British didn't send them anywhere... Holocaust survivors took up the Zionist cause and determined that no other region was suitable for a future state of Israel.

The British scuttled off after the bombing of the King David Hotel.

The British, no doubt, would have been happier to see them anywhere but in Mandate Palestine... and not in Britain!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 9:38am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:30am: freediver wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:24am: Recognising Palestine as a state won't make it a functioning state. It is still up to the locals to stop crapping on their own plate. Israel and the Middle East in general has been a bloodthirsty, barbaric place for over 3,000 years. If the British had really wanted to help the Jewish people after WW2 - Israel was the worst place in the world to send them to - pick almost anywhere else on Earth and it is most likely better.  ::) The British didn't send them anywhere... Holocaust survivors took up the Zionist cause and determined that no other region was suitable for a future state of Israel. The British scuttled off after the bombing of the King David Hotel. The British, no doubt, would have been happier to see them anywhere but in Mandate Palestine... and not in Britain!

The British promised Israel for the Jews.
They also promised it to the Arabs through Lawrence of Arabia.   ::)

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 9:38am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:30am: freediver wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:24am: Recognising Palestine as a state won't make it a functioning state. It is still up to the locals to stop crapping on their own plate. Israel and the Middle East in general has been a bloodthirsty, barbaric place for over 3,000 years. If the British had really wanted to help the Jewish people after WW2 - Israel was the worst place in the world to send them to - pick almost anywhere else on Earth and it is most likely better.  ::) The British didn't send them anywhere... Holocaust survivors took up the Zionist cause and determined that no other region was suitable for a future state of Israel. The British scuttled off after the bombing of the King David Hotel. The British, no doubt, would have been happier to see them anywhere but in Mandate Palestine... and not in Britain!

It seems that the greatest imperial power in history was no match for survivors of the greatest murder machine, this time constructed by the Europeans, since Genghis Khan.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 9:52am:

The British promised Israel for the Jews. They also promised it to the Arabs through Lawrence of Arabia.   ::)

So, played one side against the other... what a surprise... NOT!! Then scuttled off when it was clear they'd lost control of Mandatory Palestine.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 9:52am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:38am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:30am: freediver wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:24am: Recognising Palestine as a state won't make it a functioning state. It is still up to the locals to stop crapping on their own plate. Israel and the Middle East in general has been a bloodthirsty, barbaric place for over 3,000 years. If the British had really wanted to help the Jewish people after WW2 - Israel was the worst place in the world to send them to - pick almost anywhere else on Earth and it is most likely better.  ::) The British didn't send them anywhere... Holocaust survivors took up the Zionist cause and determined that no other region was suitable for a future state of Israel. The British scuttled off after the bombing of the King David Hotel. The British, no doubt, would have been happier to see them anywhere but in Mandate Palestine... and not in Britain! The British promised Israel for the Jews. They also promised it to the Arabs through Lawrence of Arabia.   ::)

Nonsense.

The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British Government in 1917 during the First World War announcing its support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population. The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from Arthur Balfour, the British foreign secretary, to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The text of the declaration was published in the press on 9 November 1917.


Zionism is an ethnocultural nationalist[b] movement that emerged in late 19th-century Europe to establish and support a Jewish homeland through the colonization of Palestine, a region corresponding to the Land of Israel in Judaism and central to Jewish history.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 9:38am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:30am: freediver wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:24am: Recognising Palestine as a state won't make it a functioning state. It is still up to the locals to stop crapping on their own plate. Israel and the Middle East in general has been a bloodthirsty, barbaric place for over 3,000 years. If the British had really wanted to help the Jewish people after WW2 - Israel was the worst place in the world to send them to - pick almost anywhere else on Earth and it is most likely better.  ::) The British didn't send them anywhere... Holocaust survivors took up the Zionist cause and determined that no other region was suitable for a future state of Israel. The British scuttled off after the bombing of the King David Hotel. The British, no doubt, would have been happier to see them anywhere but in Mandate Palestine... and not in Britain!

My previous post responded to this one above but thos board does weird things with quotes and editing

While Zionism predates the Holocaust by decades, it was the survivors of the Holocaust who gave Zionism a potency beyond the capacity of even the world's greatest imperial powers to control.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 9:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:52am: The British promised Israel for the Jews. They also promised it to the Arabs through Lawrence of Arabia.   ::) So, played one side against the other... what a surprise... NOT!! Then scuttled off when it was clear they'd lost control of Mandatory Palestine.

After WW2 Britain was destroyed - they never recovered the British empire.
They couldn't hold on to any colonies and they washed their hands of Israel
and many other places too.
No one really won WW2 - the whole world is suffering from it to this day.
It led to the cold war and can be blamed directly for the Ukraine and Gaza wars now.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 10:00am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:54am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:52am: The British promised Israel for the Jews. They also promised it to the Arabs through Lawrence of Arabia.   ::) So, played one side against the other... what a surprise... NOT!! Then scuttled off when it was clear they'd lost control of Mandatory Palestine. After WW2 Britain was destroyed - they never recovered the British empire. They couldn't hold on to any colonies and they washed their hands of Israel and many other places too. No one really won WW2 - the whole world is suffering from it to this day. It led to the cold war and can be blamed directly for the Ukraine and Gaza wars now.

The British establishment was up for reclaiming and ruling its empire.

Churchill was even musing over reneging on the promise of Indian independence, until he was disabused of the notion by the US.

It was the US that demanded that, while Britain would get its empire back - which it did- it must grant independence to any and every colony that demanded it without resistance.

Which is what happened.

The British got told... and they obeyed.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 10:05am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 10:00am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:54am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:52am: The British promised Israel for the Jews. They also promised it to the Arabs through Lawrence of Arabia.   ::) So, played one side against the other... what a surprise... NOT!! Then scuttled off when it was clear they'd lost control of Mandatory Palestine. After WW2 Britain was destroyed - they never recovered the British empire. They couldn't hold on to any colonies and they washed their hands of Israel and many other places too. No one really won WW2 - the whole world is suffering from it to this day. It led to the cold war and can be blamed directly for the Ukraine and Gaza wars now. The British establishment was up for reclaiming and ruling its empire. Churchill was even musing over reneging on the promise of Indian independence, until he was disabused of the notion by the US. It was the US that demanded that, while Britain would get its empire back - which it did- it must grant independence to any and every colony that demanded it without resistance. Which is what happened. The British got told... and they obeyed.

To blunt their loss of status, the British establishment shoved KGVI, and later QEII, into ships and planes and sent them round the world in a decades-long charm offensive, which was largely successful... although the Empire was done.

Let us intruduce some facts:


Israel is a state. It is a state set up under the explicit auspices of the United Nations, in 1947-48, in what was intended to be a rational and peaceful two-state solution to long-running disputes between the Jews and the Arabs in the British mandate territory of Palestine. The Jews accepted the UN proposal. The Arab leadership rejected it. They immediately set about trying to destroy the nascent state of Israel. They failed totally. But they have never come to the table to negotiate a two-state solution in good faith.


There simply has never been a Palestinian Arab leadership that was prepared to accept the radical defeat of efforts to destroy Israel and to lead Palestinian Arabs to lay down their arms and make a viable settlement with it. Neither Fatah nor Hamas seeks a two-state solution. They seek the destruction of Israel.  Iran under the Shia theocrats has called for the obliteration of ­Israel since 1979.



Hamas demonstrated, once and for all, that its whole purpose was the destruction of Israel and the massacre of Jews. Iran’s brutal and fanatical regime and its Shia proxy Hezbollah in Lebanon had long made plain that their plans were annihilation of the “Zionist entity” and the Jews worldwide.

Israel has hit back with stunning effectiveness, after the initial shock of the October 7 assault by Hamas. But thousands of self-styled radicals, Muslim immigrants in the West and common citizens have rallied to the cause of Hamas and chanted explicitly anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic slogans over the past 21 months. Those slogans are not simply criticisms of the way in which Israel has responded to its avowed enemies and an atrocious assault on its citizens.

They pivot on the supposedly Marxist insistence that ­Israel is itself a Western, “white”, neo-colonial and imperialist project. Much of the angry support for Israel’s Arab enemies springs from that premise.


Zionism a left cause
There was, however, considerable support for the Zionist cause in both Europe and the United States – chiefly on the political left. This is a profound irony, in present circumstances. In the crucial years 1945-49, it was the liberal, socialist and communist left in the West and the Soviet bloc that championed Zionism – and not the foreign policy elites in London, Paris or Washington.

Leftist support for Zionism sprang from passionate anti-­Nazism, stoked during the war years, and from the perception that the ethos of the Zionists under David Ben Gurion was socialist, while the Jews had been among the most notable victims of Hitler’s brutally racist regime.

Far from the post-war partition of Palestine being a neo-colonial project, it was called for on the left against the foreign policy establishments. And the arms which, alone, enabled Israel to defend itself against all-out Arab assault in 1948 came from behind the Iron Curtain – from the Skoda works in Czechoslovakia, with the backing of Joseph Stalin.

And so on.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 9:35am:

For those obsessed with UN resolutions, need to read UN Resolutions on Israel's and Palestine's borders, particularly Resolution 242. Should Israel withdraw from the occupied territories as required by the UN?

So, Israel should withdraw from the occupied territories per UN Resolution 242, then?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 10:30am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 9:35am: For those obsessed with UN resolutions, need to read UN Resolutions on Israel's and Palestine's borders, particularly Resolution 242. Should Israel withdraw from the occupied territories as required by the UN? So, Israel should withdraw from the occupied territories per UN Resolution 242, then?

ONLY if the Muslims accept its existence and stop trying to destroy it.

Is that ever going to happen?


Why not?

Laughable that anyone would suggest it is reasonable for a people to cede land to a foreign people to create a separate state.

Would the British cede, say, Cornwall for a Jewish state? Would the US cede Virginia?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 10:37am:

Laughable that anyone would suggest it is reasonable for a people to cede land to a foreign people to create a separate state. Would the British cede, say, Cornwall for a Jewish state? Would the US cede Virginia?

Would Australians cede northern Australia to a people without land?

A more accurate analogy is Australia, US, Canada, NZ ceding land to the natives

The Jews have been there all along, and certainly longer than the Muslims.

The argument that Muslims appeared in the region out of the ether in the 7th century is as ridiculous as the argument that Jewish peoples maintained continuous, uninterrupted control of the region beyond the Judean Uprising against the Romans ending in 70AD.

Semitic tribes have inhabited the region for thousands of years.

Judean life and customs ended in the region after the Roman destruction of the Second Temple, the sacking of Jerusalem and the mass murder, enslavement and expulsion of Jews from the region in 74AD and, particularly, in 136AD.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 11:51am:

The argument that Muslims appeared in the region out of the ether in the 7th century is as ridiculous as the argument that Jewish peoples maintained continuous, uninterrupted control of the region beyond the Judean Uprising against the Romans ending in 70AD. Semitic tribes have inhabited the region for thousands of years. Judean life and customs ended in the region after the Roman destruction of the Second Temple, the sacking of Jerusalem and the mass murder, enslavement and expulsion of Jews from the region in 74AD and, particularly, in 136AD.

Not at all. There were no Muslims anywhere before the 7th century. Jerusalem was never Judenfrei, not even after the Roman destruction and expulsion.

That there was a Second Temple ( and a First) long before any Dome of the Rock is also telling.

There was no state of any kind, certainly not a Muslim one there after AD 65. There were Jewish ones before.
It was a Roman province, and when it was invaded by the Muslins, it was a province of various Muslim caliphate until in turn it was conquered by the Ottomans and after they collapse, it was a British protectorate.
Which is a bit like Lost and Found. It was a British protectorate while the world figured out what to do with it.
Other bits of the Otoman Empire were made into countries - Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan - and so with Israel and Palestine. The Muslims accepted aĺl the new countries except Israel.

Any whizzing through the region's history would not be complete without mentioning its Christian Roman rule up until its collapse in the 4th century by the united Roman Empire, and from then on by the Christian Byzantine Empire before its conquest by Islamic forces.

Jews were generally unwelcome in the region under Christian rule and were persecuted and encouraged or forced to leave, which they largely did.

Jerusalem itself became a Christian holy city for hundreds of years during the Christian Roman and Byzantine Empires, and was subsequently the focus of Crusades to re-Christianise the region and the city during Muslim rule, which resulted in mass slaughters and expulsions of Muslims and Jews alike during these times of Christian conquest and rule.

There was no Jewish control of the region after their expulsion by the pre-Christian Roman Empire after the crushing ot the Bar Kochba revolt.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 6:36pm:

Any whizzing through the region's history would not be complete without mentioning its Christian Roman rule up until its collapse in the 4th century by the united Roman Empire, and from then on by the Christian Byzantine Empire before its conquest by Islamic forces. Jews were generally unwelcome in the region under Christian rule and were persecuted and encouraged or forced to leave, which they largely did. Jerusalem itself became a Christian holy city for hundreds of years during the Christian Roman and Byzantine Empires, and was subsequently the focus of Crusades to re-Christianise the region and the city during Muslim rule, which resulted in mass slaughters and expulsions of Muslims and Jews alike during these times of Christian conquest and rule. There was no Jewish control of the region after their expulsion by the pre-Christian Roman Empire after the crushing ot the Bar Kochba revolt.

No Muslim presence during that period whatsoever.

Jews predate Muslims in Israel. Jews predate the Romans. There is no denying that.  So if prior presence and occupancy matters, the Muslims have no leg to stand on.
They have usurped the Romans who bollocked the Jews who were there before the Romans. None of the Biblical people bollocued by the Jews around 1000 BC are still around.

The more half-witted posters here seem to believe that the region's conflict is religious-based.

It is not.

It is primarily about possession of the land by a local people over a foreign people... The religion of either is irrelevant or deeply subordinated by it.

After WW2, the British were expected to leave (and did) to allow the local Semitic Arab people to take control of the region. That the British were not Jewish was not a mitigating factor, nor did it cause the local peoples to invite the British to stay.

Even other Muslim peoples, such as the Turkic Ottomans, would not have been acceptable rulers post-Ottoman Empire's collapse.

Argh, aye - be good then when Israel - the modern Judea - drives out all the colonisers who came in after the Diaspora... and restores the land to its original owners - who - gee wily gooch - won't even have to make a land claim!!

Always amazes me when the half-wits on here think Abos are entitled to own the land their ancestors once walked on, under their ancient rules of possession by force, and yet when another sovereign nation seeks to defend the restoration of its native lands, they hate it and oppose it with all their might.

Historically, there have been multiple categories of animosity towards Jews.

The first was political - who ruled the region, Romans or Judeans? This persisted for about 200 years until the Romans resolved the question.

The second was religious - who were the one god's favoured people, Jews, Christians or (later) Muslims? This persisted for around 1800 years.

The third is land possession - who has a right to the land, (Muslim) Semites or (Jewish) Europeans? This has been the question for nearly 100 years.

Might is right.

Jasin wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 9:05am:

Might is right.

That's true insofar as we tend to assign right (good) to the victors and wrong (evil) to the vanquished.

In ancient religious cultures, they were assigned to the respective god of the tribe, which takes on a weird dimension in monotheism - the one god cannot be wrong, the fault must lie in the tribe.

Frank wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 11:29am:

A more accurate analogy is Australia, US, Canada, NZ ceding land to the natives

Rubbish. They weren't natives. The vast majority of them were coming from Europe.

Frank wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 5:21pm:

Not at all. There were no Muslims anywhere before the 7th century.

you idiot. It doesn't matter what religion they were 2000 years ago. Todays Palestinian's are decedents of THE PEOPLE, whatever there religion may have been 2000 years ago, from that area.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 8:46am:

The second was religious - who were the one god's favoured people, Jews, Christians or (later) Muslims? This persisted for around 1800 years.

From a Christian (Catholic) perspective, the nail in the coffin for overt Christian chauvinism towards Jews could arguably be dated to 1959, when Pope John XXIII ordered the removal of the term 'perfidious Jews' from the Catholic Church's Good Friday liturgy.

The Pallos and the other Muslims and their useful idiots wouldn't carry on like they do now in the immigrants to the Levant were fellow Muslims.

They ONLY carry on like gruesome jihadi *uckheads because it is infidel Jews. Total anathema to Islam.

It's easy to see why some educators are forced into retirement.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 10:34am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 8:46am: The second was religious - who were the one god's favoured people, Jews, Christians or (later) Muslims? This persisted for around 1800 years. From a Christian (Catholic) perspective, the nail in the coffin for overt Christian chauvinism towards Jews could arguably be dated to 1959, when Pope John XXIII ordered the removal of the term 'perfidious Jews' from the Catholic Church's Good Friday liturgy.

And it's easy to understand why cynics would argue that it only happened because European Jews had established a state that could, and would, defend Jewish Israelis and diaspora Jews from any future attempts by Europeans to resume their historically regular pogroms and mass murders of Jewish people.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 10:44am:

It's easy to see why some educators are forced into retirement.

educator my arse. At best he's the janitor

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 10:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 10:34am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 8:46am: The second was religious - who were the one god's favoured people, Jews, Christians or (later) Muslims? This persisted for around 1800 years. From a Christian (Catholic) perspective, the nail in the coffin for overt Christian chauvinism towards Jews could arguably be dated to 1959, when Pope John XXIII ordered the removal of the term 'perfidious Jews' from the Catholic Church's Good Friday liturgy. And it's easy to understand why cynics would argue that it only happened because European Jews had established a state that could, and would, defend Jewish Israelis and diaspora Jews from any future attempts by Europeans to resume their historically regular pogroms and mass murders of Jewish people.

Or allow Europeans to stand back and watch while other Europeans murdered Jews indiscriminately.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 11:00am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 10:50am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 10:34am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 8:46am: The second was religious - who were the one god's favoured people, Jews, Christians or (later) Muslims? This persisted for around 1800 years. From a Christian (Catholic) perspective, the nail in the coffin for overt Christian chauvinism towards Jews could arguably be dated to 1959, when Pope John XXIII ordered the removal of the term 'perfidious Jews' from the Catholic Church's Good Friday liturgy. And it's easy to understand why cynics would argue that it only happened because European Jews had established a state that could, and would, defend Jewish Israelis and diaspora Jews from any future attempts by Europeans to resume their historically regular pogroms and mass murders of Jewish people. Or allow Europeans to stand back and watch while other Europeans murdered Jews indiscriminately.

For proof of that, it's noteworthy that, since the founding of the state of Israel, not a single instance of anti-Jewish sentiment or action has gone unchallenged, unconfronted or unpunished.

Even when committed outside the region, such as:
- The mass rescue of Ethiopian Jews
- The successful political pressure applied to the Soviet Union to allow Russian Jews to emigrate
- The challenging of world governments to take counter-measures against anti-Jewish activities.

It is instructive to see the same people who, seeing the evident rapid replacement of their own Western populations by Muslim, Indians and assorted other alien cultures,  insist that there is nuffin' to see here, just vibrant enrichment, at the same time are mightily exercised by the influx of Jews to Jewdea (less than half the size of Tassie). That is not vibrant enrichment, that's world historical colonialist great replacement.
If the Muslims and third workers do it, it's wonderful enrichment.
If the Jews, it's hideous Great Replacement, oppression, colonialism.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 7:57pm:

The more half-witted posters here seem to believe that the region's conflict is religious-based. It is not. It is primarily about possession of the land by a local people over a foreign people... The religion of either is irrelevant or deeply subordinated by it. After WW2, the British were expected to leave (and did) to allow the local Semitic Arab people to take control of the region. That the British were not Jewish was not a mitigating factor, nor did it cause the local peoples to invite the British to stay. Even other Muslim peoples, such as the Turkic Ottomans, would not have been acceptable rulers post-Ottoman Empire's collapse.

;D who are you suggesting is "foreign"?

And religion(intolerant Islamic fundamentalism) has got a shyteload to do with it.

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 10:17am:

Frank wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 5:21pm: Not at all. There were no Muslims anywhere before the 7th century. you idiot. It doesn't matter what religion they were 2000 years ago. Todays Palestinian's are decedents of THE PEOPLE, whatever there religion may have been 2000 years ago, from that area.

Philistines?


Quote:

In Hebrew, "Philistine" translates to פְּלִשְׁתִּי (p'lishti) (singular) or פְּלִשְׁתִּים (p'lishtim) (plural), meaning "people of Peleshet" or "Philistia". The root of the word, פלש (p-l-sh), is often interpreted as meaning "to invade" or "to roll" or "to wallow". The term is used both as an adjective and a noun in Hebrew, and is the origin of the English word "Philistine".

Are you a Philistine?  ;D

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 10:44am:

It's easy to see why some educators are forced into retirement.

You're no educator - no matter how many tickets you have on yourself.

Frank wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 11:47am:

It is instructive to see the same people who, seeing the evident rapid replacement of their own Western populations by Muslim, Indians and assorted other alien cultures,  insist that there is nuffin' to see here, just vibrant enrichment, at the same time are mightily exercised by the influx of Jews to Jewdea (less than half the size of Tassie). That is not vibrant enrichment, that's world historical colonialist great replacement. If the Muslims and third workers do it, it's wonderful enrichment. If the Jews, it's hideous Great Replacement, oppression, colonialism.

The same people wallow in an ocean of hypocrisy/double standards.

Gnads wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 12:19pm:

Philistines?

would it make them any less descendant?

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 12:40pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 12:19pm: Philistines? would it make them any less descendant?

They were of Greek origin "invaders' on the coast - The Jews were already in Judah & Kingdom of Israel. 

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Gnads wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 12:57pm:

They were of Greek origin "invaders' on the coast - The Jews were already in Judah & Kingdom of Israel.

even the jews originated from elsewhere originally ...

your own map shows gaza as not being jewish territory :D :D :D

Gnads wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 12:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 7:57pm: The more half-witted posters here seem to believe that the region's conflict is religious-based. It is not. It is primarily about possession of the land by a local people over a foreign people... The religion of either is irrelevant or deeply subordinated by it. After WW2, the British were expected to leave (and did) to allow the local Semitic Arab people to take control of the region. That the British were not Jewish was not a mitigating factor, nor did it cause the local peoples to invite the British to stay. Even other Muslim peoples, such as the Turkic Ottomans, would not have been acceptable rulers post-Ottoman Empire's collapse. ;D who are you suggesting is "foreign"? And religion(intolerant Islamic fundamentalism) has got a shyteload to do with it.

All those migrating from Europe are displaced European Jews of various nationalities... none were born in Palestine, and neither were their parents, grandparents, great-grandparents....

Would Australians acknowledge the citizenship of a foreigner claiming Australian nationality because an ancestor was born even as late as 1790 in the colony of New South Wales?

Practitioners of Christianity have, by far and by many centuries, been intolerant of Jews.

One wife encourages her man to have a threesome with the maid and here we all are still!!!
Sheesh ::)

Gnads wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 12:21pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 10:44am: It's easy to see why some educators are forced into retirement. You're no educator - no matter how many tickets you have on yourself.

What age were you when you left school? 14 or 15?

"The vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas. If they did not have Israel as a common enemy, they would kill each other."

https://x.com/VividProwess/status/1956174003770671472

You guys have the opportunity to march on the 31st in your capital city , nobody actually knows what the march is actually about but you guys can go along and give the 3 or  4 people that turn up some direction  :)

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 1:50pm:

Would Australians acknowledge the citizenship of a foreigner claiming Australian nationality because an ancestor was born even as late as 1790 in the colony of New South Wales?

Something like this?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 1:50pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 12:15pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 7:57pm: The more half-witted posters here seem to believe that the region's conflict is religious-based. It is not. It is primarily about possession of the land by a local people over a foreign people... The religion of either is irrelevant or deeply subordinated by it. After WW2, the British were expected to leave (and did) to allow the local Semitic Arab people to take control of the region. That the British were not Jewish was not a mitigating factor, nor did it cause the local peoples to invite the British to stay. Even other Muslim peoples, such as the Turkic Ottomans, would not have been acceptable rulers post-Ottoman Empire's collapse. ;D who are you suggesting is "foreign"? And religion(intolerant Islamic fundamentalism) has got a shyteload to do with it. All those migrating from Europe are displaced European Jews of various nationalities... none were born in Palestine, and neither were their parents, grandparents, great-grandparents.... Would Australians acknowledge the citizenship of a foreigner claiming Australian nationality because an ancestor was born even as late as 1790 in the colony of New South Wales? Practitioners of Christianity have, by far and by many centuries, been intolerant of Jews.

So the Greeks in Gza should have been satisfied with their possession of Gaza... none of this silly 'river to the sea' nonsense - any river to the sea is Jewish.

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MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14^th, 2025 at 1:50pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 12:15pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13th, 2025 at 7:57pm: The more half-witted posters here seem to believe that the region's conflict is religious-based. It is not. It is primarily about possession of the land by a local people over a foreign people... The religion of either is irrelevant or deeply subordinated by it. After WW2, the British were expected to leave (and did) to allow the local Semitic Arab people to take control of the region. That the British were not Jewish was not a mitigating factor, nor did it cause the local peoples to invite the British to stay. Even other Muslim peoples, such as the Turkic Ottomans, would not have been acceptable rulers post-Ottoman Empire's collapse. ;D who are you suggesting is "foreign"? And religion(intolerant Islamic fundamentalism) has got a shyteload to do with it. All those migrating from Europe are displaced European Jews of various nationalities... none were born in Palestine, and neither were their parents, grandparents, great-grandparents.... Would Australians acknowledge the citizenship of a foreigner claiming Australian nationality because an ancestor was born even as late as 1790 in the colony of New South Wales? Practitioners of Christianity have, by far and by many centuries, been intolerant of Jews.

So the Greeks in Gaza should have been satisfied with their possession of Gaza as Israel kindly gave to them as part of its spoils of war after flogging the Arabs ... none of this silly 'river to the sea' nonsense - any river to the sea is Jewish.

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It’s a relief to hear that Albo is finally taking it seriously-

“ Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has met with Australian cricketer Usman Khawaja on the humanitarian crisis in Gaza “

“ABC

Albo is done messing around his talking to an Australian cricketer on how to end the war!!!

Straight to the top, our leader Airbus doesn’t muck around !!!

I just checked up - Gazans use a 'Palestinian Authority' passport - not a Palestinian passport... it's only a legal existence thing.... obviously because Palestine does not exist as such.

Just saying...

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 6:36pm:

There was no Jewish control of the region after their expulsion by the pre-Christian Roman Empire after the crushing ot the Bar Kochba revolt.

TEL AVIV — Shortly after landing at Ben Gurion Airport to conduct an interview with U.S. Ambassador Mike Huckabee, commentator Tucker Carlson reportedly uncovered shocking evidence that Israel is controlled by the Jews.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 1^st, 2025 at 11:38pm:

I just checked up - Gazans use a 'Palestinian Authority' passport - not a Palestinian passport... it's only a legal existence thing.... obviously because Palestine does not exist as such. Just saying...

They don't have a functioning state. But they think lack of recognition by other nations is the problem. Like it will magically happen once the UN says it has happened.