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Title: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Armchair_Politician on Aug 1st, 2025 at 12:58pm
Trump has steps WAY over the line in Brazil, sanctioning a Judge overseeing a criminal case against former President Bolsonaro, who made an attempted coup when he lost his election for the Presidency. He is also imposing 50% tariffs on the country because of the Court case against Bolsonaro, the former strongman of Brazil. We are familiar with Trump going over the line in many areas, but to interfere in the justice system of another country is indefensible.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crlzn72eg25o |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 1st, 2025 at 12:59pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 12:58pm:
Indefensible, but in no way surprising. This is just the beginning. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Frank on Aug 1st, 2025 at 3:44pm
Section 1. National Emergency. As President of the United States, my highest duty is protecting the national security, foreign policy, and economy of this country. Recent policies, practices, and actions of the Government of Brazil threaten the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States. Members of the Government of Brazil have taken actions that interfere with the economy of the United States, infringe the free expression rights of United States persons, violate human rights, and undermine the interest the United States has in protecting its citizens and companies. Members of the Government of Brazil are also politically persecuting a former President of Brazil, which is contributing to the deliberate breakdown in the rule of law in Brazil, to politically motivated intimidation in that country, and to human rights abuses.
Recently, members of the Government of Brazil have taken unprecedented actions that harm and are a threat to the economy of the United States, conflict with and threaten the policy of the United States to promote free speech and free and fair elections at home and abroad, and violate fundamental human rights. Indeed, certain Brazilian officials have issued orders to compel United States online platforms to censor the accounts or content of United States persons, where such accounts or content are protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution within the United States; block the ability of United States persons to raise money on their platforms; change their content moderation policies, enforcement practices, or algorithms in ways that may result in the censorship of the content and accounts of United States persons; and provide the user data of accounts belonging to United States persons, facilitating the targeting of political critics in the United States. For example, Brazilian Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes has abused his judicial authority to target political opponents, shield corrupt allies, and suppress dissent, often in coordination with other Brazilian officials. Justice de Moraes has authorized politically motivated police raids, arrests, and bank account freezes. He has also authorized the confiscation of passports, jailed individuals without trial for social media posts, opened unprecedented criminal investigations, including into United States citizens for their constitutionally protected speech in the United States, and issued secret orders to United States social media companies to censor thousands of posts and de-platform dozens of political critics, including United States persons, for lawful speech on United States soil. When United States and United States-headquartered companies have refused to comply with his unlawful censorship demands, Justice de Moraes has imposed substantial fines on United States and United States-headquartered companies, ordered the suspension of United States and United States-headquartered companies in Brazil, and threatened United States and United States-headquartered company executives with criminal prosecution. In fact, Justice de Moraes is currently overseeing the Government of Brazil’s criminal prosecution of a United States resident for speech he made on United States soil. These judicial actions, taken under the pretext of combatting “disinformation,” “fake news,” or “anti-democratic” or “hateful” content, endanger the economy of the United States by tyrannically and arbitrarily coercing United States companies to censor political speech, turn over sensitive United States user data, or change their content moderation policies on pain of extraordinary fines, criminal prosecution, asset freezes, or complete exclusion from the Brazilian market. These actions also chill and limit expression in the United States, violate human rights, and undermine the interest that the United States has in protecting its citizens and companies at home and abroad. Brazilian officials are also persecuting former President of Brazil Jair Bolsonaro. The Government of Brazil has unjustly charged Bolsonaro with multiple crimes related to Bolsonaro’s 2022 runoff election, and the Supreme Court of Brazil has misguidedly ruled that Bolsonaro must stand trial for these unjustified criminal charges. Political persecution, through drummed up prosecutions, threatens the orderly development of Brazil’s political, administrative, and economic institutions, including undermining the ability of Brazil to hold a free and fair election of the presidency in 2026. The Government of Brazil’s treatment of former President Bolsonaro also contributes to the deliberate breakdown in the rule of law in Brazil, to politically motivated intimidation in that country, and to human rights abuses. I find that the unprecedented actions taken by the Government of Brazil have violated the free expression rights of United States persons, interfered with the economy of the United States by coercing United States and United States-headquartered companies to censor United States persons for speech protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution on pain of extraordinary fines, criminal prosecution, asset freezes, or complete exclusion from the Brazilian market, subverted the interest of the United States in protecting its citizens and companies, undermined the rule of law in Brazil, and jeopardized the orderly development of Brazil’s political, administrative, and economic institutions. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Frank on Aug 1st, 2025 at 3:46pm
The policies, practices, and actions of the Government of Brazil are repugnant to the moral and political values of democratic and free societies and conflict with the policy of the United States to promote democratic governments throughout the world, the principle of free expression and free and fair elections, the rule of law, and respect for human rights.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, find that the scope and gravity of the recent policies, practices, and actions of the Government of Brazil constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat, which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States, to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States and hereby declare a national emergency with respect to that threat. To deal with the national emergency declared in this order, I determine that it is necessary and appropriate to impose an additional ad valorem duty rate of 40 percent on certain products of Brazil, as detailed below. In my judgment, this action is necessary and appropriate to deal with the national emergency declared in this order. I am taking the action in this order only for the purpose of addressing the national emergency declared in this order and not for any other purpose. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/07/addressing-threats-to-the-us/ |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Armchair_Politician on Aug 1st, 2025 at 4:10pm
What a big, steaming pile of stinking B.S.!!!
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Frank on Aug 1st, 2025 at 5:01pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 4:10pm:
For example, Brazilian Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes has abused his judicial authority to target political opponents, shield corrupt allies, and suppress dissent, often in coordination with other Brazilian officials. Justice de Moraes has authorized politically motivated police raids, arrests, and bank account freezes. He has also authorized the confiscation of passports, jailed individuals without trial for social media posts, opened unprecedented criminal investigations, including into United States citizens for their constitutionally protected speech in the United States, and issued secret orders to United States social media companies to censor thousands of posts and de-platform dozens of political critics, including United States persons, for lawful speech on United States soil. When United States and United States-headquartered companies have refused to comply with his unlawful censorship demands, Justice de Moraes has imposed substantial fines on United States and United States-headquartered companies, ordered the suspension of United States and United States-headquartered companies in Brazil, and threatened United States and United States-headquartered company executives with criminal prosecution. In fact, Justice de Moraes is currently overseeing the Government of Brazil’s criminal prosecution of a United States resident for speech he made on United States soil. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by John Smith on Aug 1st, 2025 at 6:55pm
Frank is exactly the type of idiot Trump was referring to when he said that he could shoot someone in cold blood in front of him, and he'd still support him
:D :D :D :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 1st, 2025 at 7:00pm John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 6:55pm:
Absolutely. There's nothing Trump can do that crosses the line for Frank. Rape? He's fine with that. Fraud? No problem. Stealing from kids' cancer charities? All good. And now we have him defending Trump over the Epstein files. Disturbing, to say the least. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Armchair_Politician on Aug 1st, 2025 at 7:27pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 7:00pm:
Putting too much gold in the Oval Office? Sure, why not! |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Karnal on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:23am
Jolly good. We should follow Brazil's lead and ban Twitter too.
Like Brazil, we import more from the US than export. Why would it truly matter if we copped a few extra US tariffs? We should make friends with Chi-na, and quick. Albo and Penny are betting on DL lasting four years. All good, but if this goes on any longer, the world's going to need an exit strategy. Brazil is showing us all the way. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by ProudKangaroo on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:33am greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 7:00pm:
That's not entirely fair, Frank may agree that if Trump is in the Epstein files and he's proven to have sexually abused children that he'll want Trump to face justice. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Karnal on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:44am ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:33am:
That's not very fair, Sad. Are you seriously suggesting Frank should accept his DL facing justice? That's for mincing teapots and despicable creeps. I mean, come come, would you be okay with a leftard being held to account? SO UNFAIR !!! |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by freediver on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:56am
Forget that Trump is involved for a minute. Are there genuine problems in Brazil?
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Armchair_Politician on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 8:02am freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:56am:
Bolsonaro refused to accept the results of the election in which he lost (sound familiar?), and he and his supporters attempted to remove the elected government in a coup, which failed. Sure, his supporters are saying he wasn't involved, just as MAGA say Trump had no role in the J6 insurrection. That's why Bolsonaro is before the Court in Brazil, to give him the opportunity to defend himself before a Judge. If he's innocent, that will surely come through. Trump inserting himself into the judicial process of a sovereign nation is beyond appalling, but hardly surprising when it comes to Trump. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by ProudKangaroo on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 8:12am Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 8:02am:
And it would be the same if it were any other external world leader interfering, not just Trump. I can't imagine Americans would be ok if the roles were reversed. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Karnal on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 8:53am freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:56am:
Sorry, at what point has a US prez personally lawfared a foreign judge for hearing a case? We'll save you the bother of answering this, shall we? Oh look, you've gone. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by freediver on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 9:00am
America interferes with foreign countries all the time.
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 9:03am ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:33am:
Lol ;D Funny guy. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Armchair_Politician on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 9:56am ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 8:12am:
No other world leader is interfering. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by ProudKangaroo on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 10:18am freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 9:00am:
Oh, well if they do it all the time, who cares? Sounds a lot like the Trump/Epstein defense... |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by freediver on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 10:19am ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 10:18am:
I guess asking people to stop thinking about Trump for 5 minutes was asking too much. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Karnal on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 8:40pm freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 9:00am:
Oh. You came back for a half-hearted they're-all-as-bad-as-each-other. How courageous of you. Now, you were asked which US prez has ever lawfared a foreign judge for hearing a case. You can't possibly defend this behaviour, so you'll never say. Instead, you'll hum and you'll ha and you'll do what all those awful meanies you used to bitch at do. You'll snivel, wring your hands and spinelessly apologize for you-know-who. The evolution is complete, FD. Free trade, the rule of law, sustainability. All those noble aspirations you once lectured everybody on - gone. Now you're defending an authoritarian regime attacking judges for doing justice. But I'm curious. If you can fall for fascism so easily, what would it take for you to return to your former self? Is there a hypnotic word that suddenly brings you to? A mystical incantation? A spell? We promise not to say Abu. Whoops - sorry! |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Frank on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 10:49pm
A foreign policy stance is not interference.
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Karnal on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 11:41pm Frank wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 10:49pm:
Oh, I see. So freezing judges' bank accounts for hearing trials is a foreign policy stance, is it? Sorry, only now. You were ever so toosh when the Kenyan gave Iranian citizens their frozen funds back, but we at least agreed that was foreign policy. Stopping a country developing nukes is a clear example of a sound foreign policy. Pity your DL chose to end it Meddling in a country's judicial system is not foreign policy. Targeting individual judges is not foreign policy either, it's revenge. Bolsonaro attempted a coup. If your DL has evidence to the contrary, he's free to provide it to Bolsonaro's lawyers. Bolsonaro is no longer in office, so has no possible status as a subject of foreign policy. As for your DL's claims of censorship, every country has laws on social media. The Brazilian government is perfectly free to shut Twitter down, as is Australia. We should follow the Brazilian example. If you publish lies on social media, you should have them exposed. If you repeat them, you should be banned. If you create bots to spread fake news, you should be prosecuted. If social media companies don't comply, they should be shut down. We get to say who comes to our country and the manner in which they come, not Zuckerberg and Musk. That's my policy. I have no right to force it on any other country and call it foreign policy. You're just using Sloppy Steve's buzzwords to water down US interventionism. Hitler's annexure of Czechoslovakia was just a foreign policy position too, no? At least Hitler had principles. Your DL is walking around the playground picking fights. Canada, Mexico, the EU, Brazil. He'll fuck over us if he's given a chance. Your DL is pushing for war, and he'll start one too. He's only just begun. When he does, you'll call it just another foreign policy position and support it unequivocally, as you do. Yes, Master. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Jasin on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 2:07am greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 12:59pm:
Of better things to come. :) |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Armchair_Politician on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 9:00am Frank wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 10:49pm:
This isn't foreign policy. This is a personal friendship between Trump and Bolsonaro. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 10:23am Jasin wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 2:07am:
Indeed. Trump is old and unwell, so he'll die in the not too distant future. So yes, better things to come. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Frank on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 11:39am Melanias purse wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 11:41pm:
That's enough grimacing and tap-dancing. For example, Brazilian Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes has abused his judicial authority to target political opponents, shield corrupt allies, and suppress dissent, often in coordination with other Brazilian officials. Justice de Moraes has authorized politically motivated police raids, arrests, and bank account freezes. He has also authorized the confiscation of passports, jailed individuals without trial for social media posts, opened unprecedented criminal investigations, including into United States citizens for their constitutionally protected speech in the United States, and issued secret orders to United States social media companies to censor thousands of posts and de-platform dozens of political critics, including United States persons, for lawful speech on United States soil. When United States and United States-headquartered companies have refused to comply with his unlawful censorship demands, Justice de Moraes has imposed substantial fines on United States and United States-headquartered companies, ordered the suspension of United States and United States-headquartered companies in Brazil, and threatened United States and United States-headquartered company executives with criminal prosecution. In fact, Justice de Moraes is currently overseeing the Government of Brazil’s criminal prosecution of a United States resident for speech he made on United States soil. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Frank on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 12:58pm Melanias purse wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 11:41pm:
In October 2014 a highly distressing Facebook post showed half a dozen or so deceased children. The headline screamed “Child Genocide in Palestine” (again, sound familiar?). It went on to claim “614 Palestinian children murdered by the Israeli IDF forces”. Except they weren’t. The image was of Syrian children, murdered by the Assad regime in 2013 in a chemical weapons attack near Damascus. This image was first published originally by National Geographic. The post was a lie. The words were lies. And this “story” was shared countless times in a few days, seen by millions across multiple platforms. Blatant, deliberate lies. The news outlets who publish them are lying. The politicians, the actors and people of influence who share them, perpetuators and collaborators with those lies. What I’m describing here isn’t new. Come back in time with me to the northern autumn of 1944. Nazi propagandists made a film and the subject was Theresienstadt, the concentration camp in Czechoslovakia. A quick history lesson. This film was made after German authorities successfully deceived the Red Cross (what a shock …), which visited the camp after pressure from the Danish government, anxious about the fate of Danish Jews. In a now-famous example of how far the Nazis were prepared to go in order to carry out their Final Solution, they gave the death camp an elaborate facelift that made it look like a spa town. They built a swimming pool and landscaped the gardens. The Red Cross delegation was thrilled; nothing to see here, they told the Danes, and the Nazis realised the weapon they had created. The film was made, every person in it was a prisoner. Many of them were executed at the camp where 33,000 Jews were murdered. This propaganda told the world all was well. It said, look! Jews are retiring here, living well here, celebrating their culture here! That film became a key tool in the plan to deceive the world about what was really going on in Theresienstadt, in Treblinka, Auschwitz, Dachau and all the other death camps. As deadly as an atomic bomb, these lies condemned so many to death, while useful idiots in the West believe it all. Sound familiar? https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/useful-idiots-of-the-west-target-israel-with-lies-blood-libel/news-story/5a24476accf65de0db8befcf2398e55a |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 1:00pm Stop defending genocide, criminals, rapists and paedophiles. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Frank on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 1:29pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 1:00pm:
"If you are OK to weaponise and exploit the sickness of a child suffering since birth with serious health issues, simply to push your anti-Israel agenda, you aren’t just part of the problem, you are the problem." |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Marla on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 2:50pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 4:10pm:
I'm convinced F A T Frank is either severely mentally ill or really that retarded. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Marla on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 2:52pm Frank wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 1:29pm:
I must say, F A T Frank you defend a known child predator and adjudicated rapist, but never once see yourself as any part of any problem. F**king retard. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by John Smith on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 3:04pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 1:00pm:
He can't help it. It's his default position |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Karnal on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 8:27pm Frank wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 12:58pm:
Yes it sounds familiar. It explains your own modus operandi. You use the same tactics here on a daily basis, dear boy. There's no need to virtue signal to us, we know. You Nazis pulled a job on the silly old Danes back in WWII, now you want to do it all again. |
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Title: Re: Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil Post by Frank on Aug 5th, 2025 at 12:38pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 12:58pm:
Brazil’s Judicial Attack on Free Speech Augusto Zimmermann Justice Alexandre de Moraes was appointed as the nation’s top electoral officer in August 2022.[4] During the 2022 presidential campaign, he ordered social media outlets to remove thousands of messages and arrested numerous supporters of former President Bolsonaro without a trial.[5] Writing for The New York Times, on 26 September 2022, journalists Jack Nicas and André Spigariol explained that such arbitrary judicial rulings “could have major implications for the winner of the presidential vote”.[6] Nobody in Brazil is allowed to question the transparency of the last presidential election. Whoever dares to do so “will be treated like criminals”, says Justice Moraes.[7] On December 14, 2022, he warned “many people still need to be arrested and a lot of fines to be issued”.[8] Justice Moraes regularly issues “monocratic decisions” against “misinformation”, sending some of the former president’s friends and supporters to jail, confiscating their electronic devices and freezing their bank accounts.[9] He also opened an inquiry against Bolsonaro just because he dared to express his opinion about the well-documented association between the Pfizer vaccine and risks of contracting myocarditis.[10] ... In one of his academic articles, Barroso excuses his judicial activism by claiming that the Brazilian Supreme Court “enjoys a position of supremacy” over the executive and legislatives branches of government. Such a “supremacy”, according to him, requires “an exercise of political power by the court with all its implications for democratic legitimacy”.[22] At the heart of Barroso’s interpretative method is the peculiar notion that, in deciding a case, an unelected judge should “improve the law”. As a result of such an idea, writes Brazilian journalist J.R. Guzzo, The eleven members of the Supreme Court seriously believe that they can do whatever they want. They can release corrupt politicians and drug dealers. They can prohibit the police from entering in the favelas of Rio de Janeiro. They can even arrest congressmen and journalists for crimes of opinion. They can also censor the press and force the government to distribute Covid vaccines.[23] ... Let’s be patently clear: what is happening in Brazil is extremely serious. There is an ongoing suppression of fundamental human rights by an unelected judicial oligarchy, as well as the absolute disregard of separation of powers. Hence, during his talk at the 9th Lisbon Legal Forum in Portugal, on November 16, 2021, Supreme Court Justice Dias Toffoli candidly confessed that for such unelected judges “presiding over Brazil is not easy”.[25] “We already have a semi-presidentialism with a moderating power control that is currently exercised by the Supreme Court”, Justice Toffoli said.[26] Of course, the system of government in Brazil is presidential. This supposed “moderating power” by the judiciary is found only in the creative minds of activist judges. It amounts, in practice, to an usurpation of executive (and legislative) power by an unelected judicial oligarchy. In this context, on February 21, 2021, Justice Gilmar Mendes of the Supreme Court even met the then President of the House of Representatives, Rodrigo Maia, as well as ten other congressmen, to discuss what they should do about President Bolsonaro. Justice Mendes proposed “a harsher attack” on the President and “zero tolerance” towards him.[27] https://quadrant.org.au/news-opinions/free-speech/brazils-judicial-attack-on-free-speech/ All footnotes are referenced and linked. Augusto Zimmermann is the Foundation Dean and Professor of Law at Alphacrucis University College. He also served as Associate Dean at Murdoch University School of Law and as a Commissioner with the Law Reform Commission of Western Australia. |
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