I googled a search for crime among illegal immigrants in america.

One hit gave me the title above and a link the the US justice site , this is what I was told.
This is a chilling proof of a dictator rewriting what he does not like

.......... The Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs is currently reviewing its websites and materials in accordance with recent Executive Orders and related guidance. During this review, some pages and publications will be unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. .......

https://nij.ojp.gov/

This is info from another site. I have seen these sort of figures before.
Objectively, if anyone is in a country illegally, they will be very careful to NOT be noticed by police.



........... The American Immigration Council compared crime data to demographic data from 1980 to 2022, the most recent data available. The data showed that as the immigrant share of the population grew, the crime rate declined. In 1980, immigrants made up 6.2 percent of the U.S. population, and the total crime rate was 5,900 crimes per 100,000 people. By 2022, the share of immigrants had more than doubled, to 13.9 percent, while the total crime rate had dropped by 60.4 percent, to 2,335 crimes per 100,000 people. Specifically, the violent crime rate fell by 34.5 percent and the property crime rate fell by 63.3 percent. ..............

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/debunking-myth-immigrants-and-crime/

Illegals - they have already committed a crime via silent invasion, but paperwork could fix that if they were deemed suitable ... if they are illegals they are under the radar as much as possible, therefore it is not possible to determine what crimes they do or do not commit... but they need to eat somehow...

So what problem do YOU have with Trump's government deporting CRIMINAL illegals first?

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/04/29/100-days-making-america-safe-again

But of course. You never thought this was about CRIME, did you?

Come come, Sprint, they're tinted.

Cesterete them.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7^th, 2025 at 9:16pm:

I googled a search for crime among illegal immigrants in america. One hit gave me the title above and a link the the US justice site , this is what I was told. This is a chilling proof of a dictator rewriting what he does not like .......... The Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs is currently reviewing its websites and materials in accordance with recent Executive Orders and related guidance. During this review, some pages and publications will be unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. ....... https://nij.ojp.gov/

:D :D :D

So breaking the law - being in a country illegally - is now not breaking the law.





Immigration laws are the only laws that are discussed in terms of how to help people who break them.

Thomas Sowell

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7^th, 2025 at 9:16pm:

I googled a search for crime among illegal immigrants in america. One hit gave me the title above and a link the the US justice site , this is what I was told. This is a chilling proof of a dictator rewriting what he does not like ..........

Correct.

That's exactly what he's doing.

And here's another example.

The very presence of an illegal immigrant is a criminal offence. As for the crime rate declining..utter rubbish.  ::)

Belgarion wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 10:28am:

The very presence of an illegal immigrant is a criminal offence. As for the crime rate declining..utter rubbish.  ::)

Are you saying they just made it up?

If so, could you please provide your proof?

Cheers.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 10:42am:

Belgarion wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 10:28am: The very presence of an illegal immigrant is a criminal offence. As for the crime rate declining..utter rubbish.  ::) Are you saying they just made it up? If so, could you please provide your proof? Cheers.

Immigration laws are the only laws that are discussed in terms of how to help people who break them.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 10:42am:

Belgarion wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 10:28am: The very presence of an illegal immigrant is a criminal offence. As for the crime rate declining..utter rubbish.  ::) Are you saying they just made it up? If so, could you please provide your proof? Cheers.

I'll take that as a 'no'   ;)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7^th, 2025 at 9:16pm:

I googled a search for crime among illegal immigrants in america. One hit gave me the title above and a link the the US justice site , this is what I was told. This is a chilling proof of a dictator rewriting what he does not like .......... The Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs is currently reviewing its websites and materials in accordance with recent Executive Orders and related guidance. During this review, some pages and publications will be unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. ....... https://nij.ojp.gov/

We already knew this.

Not only is being undocumented not a criminal offence, it's a civil infraction, but trying to explain that to a MAGA supporter is like bringing a book to a pub brawl.

These are the same people who insist Trump isn't a rapist because he wasn't criminally convicted, despite the fact he was found liable for sexual abuse in a civil court. Yet when it comes to undocumented immigrants, whose presence is likewise a civil matter, not a criminal one, suddenly civil findings are gospel and worthy of criminal condemnation?

The hypocrisy is staggering, but entirely predictable. They don't care what's legally consistent, they care about which narrative flatters their worldview. It's not about truth, it's about tribalism.

Arguing with them is wasted breath, or keystrokes.

The real tragedy is that people like Frannie, comfortably detached from the consequences of Trump's cruelty, will remain blissfully insulated. Meanwhile, millions of MAGA voters in the US, the very ones who cheered him on, are about to lose their food stamps, healthcare, and face tax hikes, a recession, food shortages and prices rises etc.

And maybe, just maybe, the old "I don't care unless it happens to me" mentality will finally kick in and wake a few of them up.

But Frannie? They'll stay perpetually deluded. This is the phase we're in now, post-fact, pre-collapse,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J1_Uz3Suig

Is proudroo trying to outstupid Greg. ;D

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 4:38pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 9:16pm: I googled a search for crime among illegal immigrants in america. One hit gave me the title above and a link the the US justice site , this is what I was told. This is a chilling proof of a dictator rewriting what he does not like .......... The Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs is currently reviewing its websites and materials in accordance with recent Executive Orders and related guidance. During this review, some pages and publications will be unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. ....... https://nij.ojp.gov/ We already knew this. Not only is being undocumented not a criminal offence, it's a civil infraction, but trying to explain that to a MAGA supporter is like bringing a book to a pub brawl. These are the same people who insist Trump isn't a rapist because he wasn't criminally convicted, despite the fact he was found liable for sexual abuse in a civil court. Yet when it comes to undocumented immigrants, whose presence is likewise a civil matter, not a criminal one, suddenly civil findings are gospel and worthy of criminal condemnation? The hypocrisy is staggering, but entirely predictable. They don't care what's legally consistent, they care about which narrative flatters their worldview. It's not about truth, it's about tribalism. Arguing with them is wasted breath, or keystrokes. The real tragedy is that people like Frannie, comfortably detached from the consequences of Trump's cruelty, will remain blissfully insulated. Meanwhile, millions of MAGA voters in the US, the very ones who cheered him on, are about to lose their food stamps, healthcare, and face tax hikes, a recession, food shortages and prices rises etc. And maybe, just maybe, the old "I don't care unless it happens to me" mentality will finally kick in and wake a few of them up. But Frannie? They'll stay perpetually deluded. This is the phase we're in now, post-fact, pre-collapse, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J1_Uz3Suig

Frannie's a lost cause.

His TDS has overtaken his (meaningless) life.

Rape, fraud, stealing money from kids' cancer charities - he condones it all.

One can only imagine why.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 4:38pm:

Not only is being undocumented not a criminal offence, it's a civil infraction, but trying to explain that to a MAGA supporter is like bringing a book to a pub brawl. These are the same people who insist Trump isn't a rapist because he wasn't criminally convicted, despite the fact he was found liable for sexual abuse in a civil court. Yet when it comes to undocumented immigrants, whose presence is likewise a civil matter, not a criminal one, suddenly civil findings are gospel and worthy of criminal condemnation? The hypocrisy is staggering, but entirely predictable. They don't care what's legally consistent, they care about which narrative flatters their worldview. It's not about truth, it's about tribalism. Arguing with them is wasted breath, or keystrokes. The real tragedy is that people like Frannie, comfortably detached from the consequences of Trump's cruelty, will remain blissfully insulated. Meanwhile, millions of MAGA voters in the US, the very ones who cheered him on, are about to lose their food stamps, healthcare, and face tax hikes, a recession, food shortages and prices rises etc. And maybe, just maybe, the old "I don't care unless it happens to me" mentality will finally kick in and wake a few of them up. But Frannie? They'll stay perpetually deluded. This is the phase we're in now, post-fact, pre-collapse, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J1_Uz3Suig

You mongs are just too stupid.  Deranged with your stupidity.

You have been talking about Trump as a criminal on the basis of a fraudulent civil case.  But if anyone calls illegal immigrants criminal, you go apeshite and scream hypocrisy.



This is what I like about this forum- complete idiots like teapot, clammy gweggy,  braindead bbwiyan and their ilk can reveal their idiocy in a way they would be ashamed to do in real life encounters.  Thank you, fd, for letting us see just how much stupidity surrounds us.
Thank you for your service.

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 6:11pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 4:38pm: Not only is being undocumented not a criminal offence, it's a civil infraction, but trying to explain that to a MAGA supporter is like bringing a book to a pub brawl. These are the same people who insist Trump isn't a rapist because he wasn't criminally convicted, despite the fact he was found liable for sexual abuse in a civil court. Yet when it comes to undocumented immigrants, whose presence is likewise a civil matter, not a criminal one, suddenly civil findings are gospel and worthy of criminal condemnation? The hypocrisy is staggering, but entirely predictable. They don't care what's legally consistent, they care about which narrative flatters their worldview. It's not about truth, it's about tribalism. Arguing with them is wasted breath, or keystrokes. The real tragedy is that people like Frannie, comfortably detached from the consequences of Trump's cruelty, will remain blissfully insulated. Meanwhile, millions of MAGA voters in the US, the very ones who cheered him on, are about to lose their food stamps, healthcare, and face tax hikes, a recession, food shortages and prices rises etc. And maybe, just maybe, the old "I don't care unless it happens to me" mentality will finally kick in and wake a few of them up. But Frannie? They'll stay perpetually deluded. This is the phase we're in now, post-fact, pre-collapse, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J1_Uz3Suig You mongs are just too stupid.  Deranged with your stupidity. You have been talking about Trump as a criminal on the basis of a fraudulent civil case.

Ah, no.

The rapist you worship (for obvious reasons) was convicted on all 34 counts in a criminal trial.

He is a convicted felon.

Nothing you say can ever change that fact, sweetheart   ;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 7:11pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 6:11pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 4:38pm: Not only is being undocumented not a criminal offence, it's a civil infraction, but trying to explain that to a MAGA supporter is like bringing a book to a pub brawl. These are the same people who insist Trump isn't a rapist because he wasn't criminally convicted, despite the fact he was found liable for sexual abuse in a civil court. Yet when it comes to undocumented immigrants, whose presence is likewise a civil matter, not a criminal one, suddenly civil findings are gospel and worthy of criminal condemnation? The hypocrisy is staggering, but entirely predictable. They don't care what's legally consistent, they care about which narrative flatters their worldview. It's not about truth, it's about tribalism. Arguing with them is wasted breath, or keystrokes. The real tragedy is that people like Frannie, comfortably detached from the consequences of Trump's cruelty, will remain blissfully insulated. Meanwhile, millions of MAGA voters in the US, the very ones who cheered him on, are about to lose their food stamps, healthcare, and face tax hikes, a recession, food shortages and prices rises etc. And maybe, just maybe, the old "I don't care unless it happens to me" mentality will finally kick in and wake a few of them up. But Frannie? They'll stay perpetually deluded. This is the phase we're in now, post-fact, pre-collapse, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J1_Uz3Suig You mongs are just too stupid.  Deranged with your stupidity. You have been talking about Trump as a criminal on the basis of a fraudulent civil case.  Ah, no. The rapist you worship (for obvious reasons) was convicted on all 34 counts in a criminal trial. He is a convicted felon. Nothing you say can ever change that fact, sweetheart   ;)

Different case, despicable clammy turd.

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 7:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 7:11pm: Frank wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 6:11pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 4:38pm: Not only is being undocumented not a criminal offence, it's a civil infraction, but trying to explain that to a MAGA supporter is like bringing a book to a pub brawl. These are the same people who insist Trump isn't a rapist because he wasn't criminally convicted, despite the fact he was found liable for sexual abuse in a civil court. Yet when it comes to undocumented immigrants, whose presence is likewise a civil matter, not a criminal one, suddenly civil findings are gospel and worthy of criminal condemnation? The hypocrisy is staggering, but entirely predictable. They don't care what's legally consistent, they care about which narrative flatters their worldview. It's not about truth, it's about tribalism. Arguing with them is wasted breath, or keystrokes. The real tragedy is that people like Frannie, comfortably detached from the consequences of Trump's cruelty, will remain blissfully insulated. Meanwhile, millions of MAGA voters in the US, the very ones who cheered him on, are about to lose their food stamps, healthcare, and face tax hikes, a recession, food shortages and prices rises etc. And maybe, just maybe, the old "I don't care unless it happens to me" mentality will finally kick in and wake a few of them up. But Frannie? They'll stay perpetually deluded. This is the phase we're in now, post-fact, pre-collapse, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J1_Uz3Suig You mongs are just too stupid.  Deranged with your stupidity. You have been talking about Trump as a criminal on the basis of a fraudulent civil case.  Ah, no. The rapist you worship (for obvious reasons) was convicted on all 34 counts in a criminal trial. He is a convicted felon. Nothing you say can ever change that fact, sweetheart   ;) Different case, despicable clammy turd.

So many cases that it's hard to keep track of them all.

Oh dear, another own goal from little Frannie   ;)

Frank wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 6:11pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 4:38pm: Not only is being undocumented not a criminal offence, it's a civil infraction, but trying to explain that to a MAGA supporter is like bringing a book to a pub brawl. These are the same people who insist Trump isn't a rapist because he wasn't criminally convicted, despite the fact he was found liable for sexual abuse in a civil court. Yet when it comes to undocumented immigrants, whose presence is likewise a civil matter, not a criminal one, suddenly civil findings are gospel and worthy of criminal condemnation? The hypocrisy is staggering, but entirely predictable. They don't care what's legally consistent, they care about which narrative flatters their worldview. It's not about truth, it's about tribalism. Arguing with them is wasted breath, or keystrokes. The real tragedy is that people like Frannie, comfortably detached from the consequences of Trump's cruelty, will remain blissfully insulated. Meanwhile, millions of MAGA voters in the US, the very ones who cheered him on, are about to lose their food stamps, healthcare, and face tax hikes, a recession, food shortages and prices rises etc. And maybe, just maybe, the old "I don't care unless it happens to me" mentality will finally kick in and wake a few of them up. But Frannie? They'll stay perpetually deluded. This is the phase we're in now, post-fact, pre-collapse, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J1_Uz3Suig You mongs are just too stupid.  Deranged with your stupidity. You have been talking about Trump as a criminal on the basis of a fraudulent civil case.  But if anyone calls illegal immigrants criminal, you go apeshite and scream hypocrisy. This is what I like about this forum- complete idiots like teapot, clammy gweggy,  braindead bbwiyan and their ilk can reveal their idiocy in a way they would be ashamed to do in real life encounters.  Thank you, fd, for letting us see just how much stupidity surrounds us. Thank you for your service.

Ok Boomer.

Immediately with the insults and as usual you've failed to show where I've done anything you've claimed.

I've called Trump a Criminal based on his felony convictions.

I've only ever said he was found liable of rape in the civil court.

If you're going to make those accusations to cover for your own hypocrisy you're going to have to back them up.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 9:26pm:

Ok Boomer.

Aren't you the boomer?

Setanta wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 9:36pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 9:26pm: Ok Boomer. Aren't you the boomer?

So you all keep saying.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 10:42am:

Belgarion wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 10:28am: The very presence of an illegal immigrant is a criminal offence. As for the crime rate declining..utter rubbish.  ::) Are you saying they just made it up? If so, could you please provide your proof? Cheers.

Look up empirical evidence, then get back to me.  ::)

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 10:43pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 9:36pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 9:26pm: Ok Boomer. Aren't you the boomer? So you all keep saying.

No, you do...

Why are male kangaroos called boomers?

Belgarion wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 11:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 10:42am: Belgarion wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 10:28am: The very presence of an illegal immigrant is a criminal offence. As for the crime rate declining..utter rubbish.  ::) Are you saying they just made it up? If so, could you please provide your proof? Cheers. Look up empirical evidence, then get back to me.  ::)

White flag accepted.

Belgarion wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 11:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 10:42am: Belgarion wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 10:28am: The very presence of an illegal immigrant is a criminal offence. As for the crime rate declining..utter rubbish.  ::) Are you saying they just made it up? If so, could you please provide your proof? Cheers. Look up empirical evidence, then get back to me.  ::)

Here's the empirical evidence, dear: Fact Sheet

"The American Immigration Council compared
crime data to demographic data from 1980
to 2022, the most recent data available, to
reveal historical trends and capture the latest patterns.
The data showed that as the immigrant share of the
population grew, the crime rate declined."

Thoughts?   :-/

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7^th, 2025 at 9:16pm:

I googled a search for crime among illegal immigrants in america. One hit gave me the title above and a link the the US justice site , this is what I was told. This is a chilling proof of a dictator rewriting what he does not like .......... The Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs is currently reviewing its websites and materials in accordance with recent Executive Orders and related guidance. During this review, some pages and publications will be unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. ....... https://nij.ojp.gov/

They are a burden on society. Crime is one burden, welfare dependency is another. Social fragmentation is yet another.

In the US, violent crime is disproportionately a black problem. Immigrants including illegalsdraw welfare disproportionately, as do blacks. Same in Australia, Britain, Europe. 

Illegal immigration is a negative in every consideration.

ICE and FBI captured Honduran illegal alien and MS-13 gang member Jonny Handy Martinez-Barillas in Indiana.
Despite previous charges of 1st degree murder and possession of a firearm, Maryland police reneged on an ICE detainer in 2023 and allowed this MS-13 gang member to endanger American communities…until we finished the job.
But wait, there’s more!

We found another criminal alien in his passenger seat: Danilo Amilcar-Escobar was deported three times since April of 2024 alone with pending charges for STRANGULATION, DOMESTIC BATTERY AND COCAINE POSSESSION.

We’ll keep them both off the streets until justice is served — which will likely include one-way tickets back to Honduras.

https://x.com/ICEgov/status/1942619184581730726

Frank wrote on Jul 9^th, 2025 at 10:21am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 9:16pm: I googled a search for crime among illegal immigrants in america. One hit gave me the title above and a link the the US justice site , this is what I was told. This is a chilling proof of a dictator rewriting what he does not like .......... The Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs is currently reviewing its websites and materials in accordance with recent Executive Orders and related guidance. During this review, some pages and publications will be unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. ....... https://nij.ojp.gov/ They are a burden on society. Crime is one burden, welfare dependency is another. Social fragmentation is yet another. In the US, violent crime is disproportionately a black problem. Immigrants including illegalsdraw welfare disproportionately, as do blacks. Same in Australia, Britain, Europe.  Illegal immigration is a negative in every consideration.

And yet the rapist and convicted felon you admire has supported it for years.

Decades.

Trump has a very long history of employing (although, not necessarily paying) illegal immigrants.

He's even married to one now.

Frank wrote on Jul 9^th, 2025 at 10:21am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 9:16pm: I googled a search for crime among illegal immigrants in america. One hit gave me the title above and a link the the US justice site , this is what I was told. This is a chilling proof of a dictator rewriting what he does not like .......... The Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs is currently reviewing its websites and materials in accordance with recent Executive Orders and related guidance. During this review, some pages and publications will be unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. ....... https://nij.ojp.gov/ They are a burden on society. Crime is one burden, welfare dependency is another. Social fragmentation is yet another. In the US, violent crime is disproportionately a black problem. Immigrants including illegalsdraw welfare disproportionately, as do blacks. Same in Australia, Britain, Europe.  Illegal immigration is a negative in every consideration.

But blacks are an even bigger problem

Celebrating 4th July in the customary fashion:
https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1942299450405269537



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvSef9GaYAIK_5b?.jpg

Frank wrote on Jul 9^th, 2025 at 10:21am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7th, 2025 at 9:16pm: I googled a search for crime among illegal immigrants in america. One hit gave me the title above and a link the the US justice site , this is what I was told. This is a chilling proof of a dictator rewriting what he does not like .......... The Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs is currently reviewing its websites and materials in accordance with recent Executive Orders and related guidance. During this review, some pages and publications will be unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. ....... https://nij.ojp.gov/ They are a burden on society. Crime is one burden, ...

Crime?

The rapist you worship has been convicted on 34 criminal charges.

Convicted.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2025 at 9:24am:

Belgarion wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 11:19pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 10:42am: Belgarion wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 10:28am: The very presence of an illegal immigrant is a criminal offence. As for the crime rate declining..utter rubbish.  ::) Are you saying they just made it up? If so, could you please provide your proof? Cheers. Look up empirical evidence, then get back to me.  ::) Here's the empirical evidence, dear: Fact Sheet "The American Immigration Council compared crime data to demographic data from 1980 to 2022, the most recent data available, to reveal historical trends and capture the latest patterns. The data showed that as the immigrant share of the population grew, the crime rate declined." Thoughts?   :-/

The American Immigration Council is a mouthpiece for immigration, including illegal immigration. Their figures will reflect their bias and be totally out of touch with reality.  ::)

Belgarion wrote on Jul 9^th, 2025 at 11:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9th, 2025 at 9:24am: Belgarion wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 11:19pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 10:42am: Belgarion wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 10:28am: The very presence of an illegal immigrant is a criminal offence. As for the crime rate declining..utter rubbish.  ::) Are you saying they just made it up? If so, could you please provide your proof? Cheers. Look up empirical evidence, then get back to me.  ::) Here's the empirical evidence, dear: Fact Sheet "The American Immigration Council compared crime data to demographic data from 1980 to 2022, the most recent data available, to reveal historical trends and capture the latest patterns. The data showed that as the immigrant share of the population grew, the crime rate declined." Thoughts?   :-/ The American Immigration Council is a mouthpiece for immigration, including illegal immigration. Their figures will reflect their bias and be totally out of touch with reality.  ::)

They aren't their figures.

"Using Uniform Crime Reporting data from the Federal
Bureau of Investigation (FBI)10 and population data from the U. S. Census Bureau 11..."

10. See “Crime/Law Enforcement Stats (Uniform Crime Reporting
Program)”

11. See Ruggles et al. IPUMS USA: Version 15.0 [dataset]. 2024.

So, once again, white flag accepted.

Uncontrolled illegal immigration has been a problem since O'Bama, not since Reagan in 1980.

The data selection is manipulated by the apologist for illegal immigration organisation.

Frank wrote on Jul 9^th, 2025 at 2:03pm:

Uncontrolled illegal immigration has been a problem since O'Bama, not since Reagan in 1980. The data selection is manipulated by the apologist for illegal immigration organisation.

Interesting.

Could you perhaps share any proof you have of this?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2025 at 2:31pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 9th, 2025 at 2:03pm: Uncontrolled illegal immigration has been a problem since O'Bama, not since Reagan in 1980. The data selection is manipulated by the apologist for illegal immigration organisation. Interesting. Could you perhaps share any proof you have of this?

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1751887006/23#23

Frank wrote on Jul 9^th, 2025 at 3:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9th, 2025 at 2:31pm: Frank wrote on Jul 9th, 2025 at 2:03pm: Uncontrolled illegal immigration has been a problem since O'Bama, not since Reagan in 1980. The data selection is manipulated by the apologist for illegal immigration organisation. Interesting. Could you perhaps share any proof you have of this? https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1751887006/23#23

That's the data.

I want you to provide proof that it's "manipulated by the apologist for illegal immigration organisation".

You haven't done that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2025 at 3:18pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 9th, 2025 at 3:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9th, 2025 at 2:31pm: Frank wrote on Jul 9th, 2025 at 2:03pm: Uncontrolled illegal immigration has been a problem since O'Bama, not since Reagan in 1980. The data selection is manipulated by the apologist for illegal immigration organisation. Interesting. Could you perhaps share any proof you have of this? https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1751887006/23#23 That's the data. I want you to provide proof that it's "manipulated by the apologist for illegal immigration organisation". You haven't done that.

1980.
Not a lot of illegals until about 2005.

Setanta wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 11:20pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 10:43pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 9:36pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 9:26pm: Ok Boomer. Aren't you the boomer? So you all keep saying. No, you do... Why are male kangaroos called boomers?

At least you're considering me a male... I'll take that as a win.

As for Frank, I wasn't expecting a response, sad to know I was right.

Frank wrote on Jul 9^th, 2025 at 3:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9th, 2025 at 3:18pm: Frank wrote on Jul 9th, 2025 at 3:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9th, 2025 at 2:31pm: Frank wrote on Jul 9th, 2025 at 2:03pm: Uncontrolled illegal immigration has been a problem since O'Bama, not since Reagan in 1980. The data selection is manipulated by the apologist for illegal immigration organisation. Interesting. Could you perhaps share any proof you have of this? https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1751887006/23#23 That's the data. I want you to provide proof that it's "manipulated by the apologist for illegal immigration organisation". You haven't done that. 1980. Not a lot of illegals until about 2005.

I'm running out of storage space to keep your white flags.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 9^th, 2025 at 4:09pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 11:20pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 10:43pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 9:36pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 9:26pm: Ok Boomer. Aren't you the boomer? So you all keep saying. No, you do... Why are male kangaroos called boomers? At least you're considering me a male... I'll take that as a win. As for Frank, I wasn't expecting a response, sad to know I was right.

You should change your name back, Proud. You're going to keep being sad if you think they'll come to their senses.

They've contorted themselves out of every principle they once espoused. Years of lectures about the importance of the rule of law, Superior Culture, the Western tradition, liberalism - can you imagine the old boy using a term like that?

He did it through gritted teeth, admittedly. Years of howling about LIARS, SPINELESSNESS APOLOGETICS, AGIT PROP PWOPAGANDA.

Turns out he was tricking us all that time, no?

Now he's all-in for lies, corruption, unelected deep state elites, the lot.

Don't be sad, dear, be proud. They're the exact same thing they accuse everybody else of. You know this, everybody knows.

DRAIN THE SWAMP !!!

Ahhhhhhh - ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ......

'undocumented' people are not immigrants  - immigrants are documented and approved ... they don't just get to sneak in by the back door - though your back door may be open to them...

Why should any nation be answerable to undocumented swill?

Now then - now that your feeble mind is at rest ... I've always posited, from fact, that 'boat people' who are accepted Onshore are less likely to commit crimes than those who arrive here via 'normal' channels (sort of like the front door, you understand .. a country can choose to be buggered either way - Catch-a Twenty-Two) ... either way being that excessive immigration of any kind is inflationary and destructive of any ordered and Civilised society as we know it and of - eventually - human life in an overcrowded world*.......................
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........... HOWEVER ......... 'boat people' are vetted and thus become Documented for the purposes of permitting their stay here and in my eyes must therefore be permitted to stay here .... I've always argued that the exclusion policy for any undocumented claimants (boat people) who are approved ... note the difference.. is vile and unconscionable... but let's be honest here for one minute....        HOWEVER         ........ (let's not drag it on too long).... those who arrive here and remain here undocumented and who are NOT vetted and approved ......... Invaders.... have ZERO right to remain here.

Can you begin to understand the difference?

It Doesn't Matter If An Undocumented Person Never Vetted And Approved Does Not Commit A Crime... it ONLY matters when a vetted and approved person commits a crime.

Get your mind right....

*I'm a grandfather - I bear a responsibility to future generations that you cannot begin to fathom ... and I accept that responsibility .... unlike many here today... and I will fight for those future generations.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 9^th, 2025 at 11:46pm:

Ahhhhhhh - ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ...... 'undocumented' people are not immigrants  - immigrants are documented and approved ...

Ah, no.

Some are documented and approved, some are not.

An immigrant is "a person living in a country other than that of his or her birth".

All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate.

So, the usual.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 4:18pm:

All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual.

What do you like about illegal immigration?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 4:18pm:

All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual.

Yep.

Irrational hatred.

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 4:43pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm: All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual. What do you like about illegal immigration?

It triggers you and other idiots like you, that's got to be a plus.

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 5:24pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:43pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm: All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual. What do you like about illegal immigration? It triggers you and other idiots like you, that's got to be a plus.

I think you got it exactly back to front, as has Sad teapot and the rest of you do all the time - you mongs go completely dotty if any objection to illegal immigration or large scale and/or unassimilating legal immigration is voiced.


You hate your own people and your own culture, your own traditions and history and can't wait to be replaced by what you imagine to be vibrant, exotic strangers.

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 6:09pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:24pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:43pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm: All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual. What do you like about illegal immigration? It triggers you and other idiots like you, that's got to be a plus. I think you got it exactly back to front, as has Sad teapot and the rest of you do all the time - you mongs go completely dotty if any objection to illegal immigration or large scale and/or unassimilating legal immigration is voiced. You hate your own people and your own culture, your own traditions and history and can't wait to be replaced by what you imagine to be vibrant, exotic strangers.

Nobody here supports illegal immigration.

If you have proof to the contrary, now would be the time to post it.

Over to you, Frannie ...

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 7:04pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:09pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:24pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:43pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm: All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual. What do you like about illegal immigration? It triggers you and other idiots like you, that's got to be a plus. I think you got it exactly back to front, as has Sad teapot and the rest of you do all the time - you mongs go completely dotty if any objection to illegal immigration or large scale and/or unassimilating legal immigration is voiced. You hate your own people and your own culture, your own traditions and history and can't wait to be replaced by what you imagine to be vibrant, exotic strangers. Nobody here supports illegal immigration. If you have proof to the contrary, now would be the time to post it. Over to you, Frannie ...

And everybody here supports legal immigration, If you have proof to the contrary, now would be the time to post it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 7:04pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:09pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:24pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:43pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm: All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual. What do you like about illegal immigration? It triggers you and other idiots like you, that's got to be a plus. I think you got it exactly back to front, as has Sad teapot and the rest of you do all the time - you mongs go completely dotty if any objection to illegal immigration or large scale and/or unassimilating legal immigration is voiced. You hate your own people and your own culture, your own traditions and history and can't wait to be replaced by what you imagine to be vibrant, exotic strangers. Nobody here supports illegal immigration. If you have proof to the contrary, now would be the time to post it. Over to you, Frannie ...

Oh, he's gone.

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 6:09pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:24pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:43pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm: All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual. What do you like about illegal immigration? It triggers you and other idiots like you, that's got to be a plus. I think you got it exactly back to front, as has Sad teapot and the rest of you do all the time - you mongs go completely dotty if any objection to illegal immigration or large scale and/or unassimilating legal immigration is voiced. You hate your own people and your own culture, your own traditions and history and can't wait to be replaced by what you imagine to be vibrant, exotic strangers.

Says the same old boy who flew here to inform us all we're despicable Paki Bastards, Calabrian Dagos and Slovenian Tjurds.

Turns out he's into our culture, traditions and history, eh? Whoever would have guessed?

Now he's established that, he can move back onto demolishing our culture, history and traditions.

As you do, no?

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 9:21pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:09pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:24pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:43pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm: All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual. What do you like about illegal immigration? It triggers you and other idiots like you, that's got to be a plus. I think you got it exactly back to front, as has Sad teapot and the rest of you do all the time - you mongs go completely dotty if any objection to illegal immigration or large scale and/or unassimilating legal immigration is voiced. You hate your own people and your own culture, your own traditions and history and can't wait to be replaced by what you imagine to be vibrant, exotic strangers. Says the same old boy who flew here to inform us all we're despicable Paki Bastards, Calabrian Dagos and Slovenian Tjurds. Turns out he's into our culture, traditions and history, eh? Whoever would have guessed? Now he's established that, he can move back onto demolishing our culture, history and traditions. As you do, no?

Go back to Pakiland, wee Hamza Yusuf.
https://au.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=hamza+yusuf+white&type=E210AU714G0#action=view&id=2&vid=b86b0e3e242199fbbe3607551e51a2a0

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 9:34pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:09pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:24pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:43pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm: All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual. What do you like about illegal immigration? It triggers you and other idiots like you, that's got to be a plus. I think you got it exactly back to front, as has Sad teapot and the rest of you do all the time - you mongs go completely dotty if any objection to illegal immigration or large scale and/or unassimilating legal immigration is voiced. You hate your own people and your own culture, your own traditions and history and can't wait to be replaced by what you imagine to be vibrant, exotic strangers. Says the same old boy who flew here to inform us all we're despicable Paki Bastards, Calabrian Dagos and Slovenian Tjurds. Turns out he's into our culture, traditions and history, eh? Whoever would have guessed? Now he's established that, he can move back onto demolishing our culture, history and traditions. As you do, no? Go back to Pakiland, wee Hamza Yusuf. https://au.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=hamza+yusuf+white&type=E210AU714G0#action=view&id=2&vid=b86b0e3e242199fbbe3607551e51a2a0

As you can see, the old boy's a devout libera... Sorry, a lib...

Oh, you know what I mean. You should hear him trying to get his mouth around conservative.

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 9:39pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:34pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:09pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:24pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:43pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm: All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual. What do you like about illegal immigration? It triggers you and other idiots like you, that's got to be a plus. I think you got it exactly back to front, as has Sad teapot and the rest of you do all the time - you mongs go completely dotty if any objection to illegal immigration or large scale and/or unassimilating legal immigration is voiced. You hate your own people and your own culture, your own traditions and history and can't wait to be replaced by what you imagine to be vibrant, exotic strangers. Says the same old boy who flew here to inform us all we're despicable Paki Bastards, Calabrian Dagos and Slovenian Tjurds. Turns out he's into our culture, traditions and history, eh? Whoever would have guessed? Now he's established that, he can move back onto demolishing our culture, history and traditions. As you do, no? Go back to Pakiland, wee Hamza Yusuf. https://au.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=hamza+yusuf+white&type=E210AU714G0#action=view&id=2&vid=b86b0e3e242199fbbe3607551e51a2a0 As you can see, the old boy's a devout libera... Sorry, a lib... Oh, you know what I mean. You should hear him trying to get his mouth around conservative.

When did you metamorphosed into a wee Paki? 70s? 60s? Sydney Push?

What IS the difference between your beliefs and Hamza Yusuf's?  Nothing. You are a wee Paki. He's a wee Paki.

Scotland today, innit.  We are all pakis now - or else.

In wee Hamza's Scotland "white" is the new niqqer.

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 9:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:39pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:34pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:09pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:24pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:43pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm: All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual. What do you like about illegal immigration? It triggers you and other idiots like you, that's got to be a plus. I think you got it exactly back to front, as has Sad teapot and the rest of you do all the time - you mongs go completely dotty if any objection to illegal immigration or large scale and/or unassimilating legal immigration is voiced. You hate your own people and your own culture, your own traditions and history and can't wait to be replaced by what you imagine to be vibrant, exotic strangers. Says the same old boy who flew here to inform us all we're despicable Paki Bastards, Calabrian Dagos and Slovenian Tjurds. Turns out he's into our culture, traditions and history, eh? Whoever would have guessed? Now he's established that, he can move back onto demolishing our culture, history and traditions. As you do, no? Go back to Pakiland, wee Hamza Yusuf. https://au.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=hamza+yusuf+white&type=E210AU714G0#action=view&id=2&vid=b86b0e3e242199fbbe3607551e51a2a0 As you can see, the old boy's a devout libera... Sorry, a lib... Oh, you know what I mean. You should hear him trying to get his mouth around conservative. When did yiou metamorphosed into a wee Paki? What IS the difference between your beliefs and Hamza Yusuf's? Nothing. You are a wee Paki. He's a wee Paki. Scotland today, innit.

Not at all, dear boy, I'm an Aussie. We grew here, you flew here.

We're Superior to you in every possible way. Culture, traditions, history.

You're so desperate to fit in, you joined a foreign cult, you poor old thing.

How does it feeeeel?

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 9:49pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:42pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:39pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:34pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:09pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:24pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:43pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm: All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual. What do you like about illegal immigration? It triggers you and other idiots like you, that's got to be a plus. I think you got it exactly back to front, as has Sad teapot and the rest of you do all the time - you mongs go completely dotty if any objection to illegal immigration or large scale and/or unassimilating legal immigration is voiced. You hate your own people and your own culture, your own traditions and history and can't wait to be replaced by what you imagine to be vibrant, exotic strangers. Says the same old boy who flew here to inform us all we're despicable Paki Bastards, Calabrian Dagos and Slovenian Tjurds. Turns out he's into our culture, traditions and history, eh? Whoever would have guessed? Now he's established that, he can move back onto demolishing our culture, history and traditions. As you do, no? Go back to Pakiland, wee Hamza Yusuf. https://au.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=hamza+yusuf+white&type=E210AU714G0#action=view&id=2&vid=b86b0e3e242199fbbe3607551e51a2a0 As you can see, the old boy's a devout libera... Sorry, a lib... Oh, you know what I mean. You should hear him trying to get his mouth around conservative. When did yiou metamorphosed into a wee Paki? What IS the difference between your beliefs and Hamza Yusuf's? Nothing. You are a wee Paki. He's a wee Paki. Scotland today, innit. Not at all, dear boy, I'm an Aussie. We grew here, you flew here. We're Superior to you in every possible way. Culture, traditions, history. You're so desperate to fit in, you joined a foreign cult, you poor old thing. How does it feeeeel?

You are not an Aussie. You are a wee Hamza Yusuf.

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 10:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:49pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:42pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:39pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:34pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:09pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:24pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:43pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm: All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual. What do you like about illegal immigration? It triggers you and other idiots like you, that's got to be a plus. I think you got it exactly back to front, as has Sad teapot and the rest of you do all the time - you mongs go completely dotty if any objection to illegal immigration or large scale and/or unassimilating legal immigration is voiced. You hate your own people and your own culture, your own traditions and history and can't wait to be replaced by what you imagine to be vibrant, exotic strangers. Says the same old boy who flew here to inform us all we're despicable Paki Bastards, Calabrian Dagos and Slovenian Tjurds. Turns out he's into our culture, traditions and history, eh? Whoever would have guessed? Now he's established that, he can move back onto demolishing our culture, history and traditions. As you do, no? Go back to Pakiland, wee Hamza Yusuf. https://au.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=hamza+yusuf+white&type=E210AU714G0#action=view&id=2&vid=b86b0e3e242199fbbe3607551e51a2a0 As you can see, the old boy's a devout libera... Sorry, a lib... Oh, you know what I mean. You should hear him trying to get his mouth around conservative. When did yiou metamorphosed into a wee Paki? What IS the difference between your beliefs and Hamza Yusuf's? Nothing. You are a wee Paki. He's a wee Paki. Scotland today, innit. Not at all, dear boy, I'm an Aussie. We grew here, you flew here. We're Superior to you in every possible way. Culture, traditions, history. You're so desperate to fit in, you joined a foreign cult, you poor old thing. How does it feeeeel? You are not an Aussie. You are a wee Hamza Yusuf.

Born and bred, dear boy. You see, if you can't even acknowledge the nationality of those you deign to share a country with, how can you ever - ahem - assimilate?

You can't and you won't. You clearly hate the culture, traditions and history of the country you flew to, and that's okay. Just confess.

Are you, or have you ever been, a naughty old wacist?

It's time to say.

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 4:43pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm: All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual. What do you like about illegal immigration?

Who said I like it?  The claim is that the undocumented people in America commit fewer crimes, as revealed by many sources now under review because the claim doesn't match Trump's rhetoric.

Those facts and those stats don't care about my feelings.

You, like Grap and the rest of the usual suspects, are trying to distract and deflect away from the point of the thread because the facts don't align with your feelings.

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 10:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:49pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:42pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:39pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:34pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:09pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:24pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:43pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm: All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual. What do you like about illegal immigration? It triggers you and other idiots like you, that's got to be a plus. I think you got it exactly back to front, as has Sad teapot and the rest of you do all the time - you mongs go completely dotty if any objection to illegal immigration or large scale and/or unassimilating legal immigration is voiced. You hate your own people and your own culture, your own traditions and history and can't wait to be replaced by what you imagine to be vibrant, exotic strangers. Says the same old boy who flew here to inform us all we're despicable Paki Bastards, Calabrian Dagos and Slovenian Tjurds. Turns out he's into our culture, traditions and history, eh? Whoever would have guessed? Now he's established that, he can move back onto demolishing our culture, history and traditions. As you do, no? Go back to Pakiland, wee Hamza Yusuf. https://au.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=hamza+yusuf+white&type=E210AU714G0#action=view&id=2&vid=b86b0e3e242199fbbe3607551e51a2a0 As you can see, the old boy's a devout libera... Sorry, a lib... Oh, you know what I mean. You should hear him trying to get his mouth around conservative. When did yiou metamorphosed into a wee Paki? What IS the difference between your beliefs and Hamza Yusuf's? Nothing. You are a wee Paki. He's a wee Paki. Scotland today, innit. Not at all, dear boy, I'm an Aussie. We grew here, you flew here. We're Superior to you in every possible way. Culture, traditions, history. You're so desperate to fit in, you joined a foreign cult, you poor old thing. How does it feeeeel? You are not an Aussie. You are a wee Hamza Yusuf.

So many insults, Frank... why are you so easily triggered?

The cognitive dissonance is eating you alive.

You start by fabricating nonsense about me "liking" aspects of illegal immigration, a cheap and lazy strawman, and then spiral into a tirade of adolescent bile: calling me a "sad teapot", telling Karnal to "go back to Pakiland, wee Hamza Yusuf," asking him when he "metamorphosed into a wee Paki", and capping it off by declaring he's "not an Aussie".

All because you can't stomach a well-documented fact, that undocumented immigrants in the US commit fewer crimes than native-born citizens?

You're presented with two choices: let facts inform your views and adjust accordingly, or melt down and spit vitriol at anyone who dares present inconvenient truths.

And you always, always, choose the latter.

I get it, it must be exhausting trying to stay loyal to Trump after everything he's done this term. Is that what this is? A crisis of faith? The creeping horror that maybe, just maybe, you were wrong?

Is that why you're lashing out?

Because deep down, behind all the bluster and cheap insults, there's a voice whispering that the people you spent years demonising might not be the threat you were told they were, that the crime stats don't lie, and your worldview might be built on sand?

What are you so afraid of, Frank?

That facts might finally catch up with you?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 8:03am:

Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 10:23pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:49pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:42pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:39pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:34pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:09pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:24pm: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:43pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm: All this back and forth, yet it doesn't change the crime statistics, just triggered bigots looking for loopholes to justify their hate. So, the usual. What do you like about illegal immigration? It triggers you and other idiots like you, that's got to be a plus. I think you got it exactly back to front, as has Sad teapot and the rest of you do all the time - you mongs go completely dotty if any objection to illegal immigration or large scale and/or unassimilating legal immigration is voiced. You hate your own people and your own culture, your own traditions and history and can't wait to be replaced by what you imagine to be vibrant, exotic strangers. Says the same old boy who flew here to inform us all we're despicable Paki Bastards, Calabrian Dagos and Slovenian Tjurds. Turns out he's into our culture, traditions and history, eh? Whoever would have guessed? Now he's established that, he can move back onto demolishing our culture, history and traditions. As you do, no? Go back to Pakiland, wee Hamza Yusuf. https://au.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=hamza+yusuf+white&type=E210AU714G0#action=view&id=2&vid=b86b0e3e242199fbbe3607551e51a2a0 As you can see, the old boy's a devout libera... Sorry, a lib... Oh, you know what I mean. You should hear him trying to get his mouth around conservative. When did yiou metamorphosed into a wee Paki? What IS the difference between your beliefs and Hamza Yusuf's? Nothing. You are a wee Paki. He's a wee Paki. Scotland today, innit. Not at all, dear boy, I'm an Aussie. We grew here, you flew here. We're Superior to you in every possible way. Culture, traditions, history. You're so desperate to fit in, you joined a foreign cult, you poor old thing. How does it feeeeel? You are not an Aussie. You are a wee Hamza Yusuf. So many insults, Frank... why are you so easily triggered? The cognitive dissonance is eating you alive. You start by fabricating nonsense about me "liking" aspects of illegal immigration, a cheap and lazy strawman, and then spiral into a tirade of adolescent bile: calling me a "sad teapot", telling Karnal to "go back to Pakiland, wee Hamza Yusuf," asking him when he "metamorphosed into a wee Paki", and capping it off by declaring he's "not an Aussie". All because you can't stomach a well-documented fact, that undocumented immigrants in the US commit fewer crimes than native-born citizens? You're presented with two choices: let facts inform your views and adjust accordingly, or melt down and spit vitriol at anyone who dares present inconvenient truths. And you always, always, choose the latter. I get it, it must be exhausting trying to stay loyal to Trump after everything he's done this term. Is that what this is? A crisis of faith? The creeping horror that maybe, just maybe, you were wrong? Is that why you're lashing out? Because deep down, behind all the bluster and cheap insults, there's a voice whispering that the people you spent years demonising might not be the threat you were told they were, that the crime stats don't lie, and your worldview might be built on sand? What are you so afraid of, Frank? That facts might finally catch up with you?

Nailed it here: "it must be exhausting trying to stay loyal to Trump after everything he's done this term. Is that what this is? A crisis of faith? The creeping horror that maybe, just maybe, you were wrong?"

“Trump was right” on border policy, former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry told the BBC. “The problem is we [Democrats] should have been right.”

The former party heavyweight has little sway inside the Democratic Party whose leaders just released a plan that would flood America with a massive inflow of Indians seeking white collar and blue-collar jobs, housing, and political power.

Kerry’s admission comes as Trump faces renewed pressure from business groups to reopen jobs to economic migrants.

Democrats “need to be talking about what Americans do care about,” Kerry told his BBC interviewer (starting 32:35):

Immigration. I said this very directly to President Biden that I think the Democrats have missed on the issue of immigration for some years… They just allowed the border to continue to be sieged, under siege.

The first thing any president should say — any president, or anybody in public life, is, ‘Without a border protected you don’t have a nation.’ I believe that. To define your nation, you have to have a border that means something. And there’s a reason we have passports. There’s a reason we have visas. We have a system, and I wish President Biden had been heard more often saying, ‘Well I’m going to enforce the law.’

The scandalized BBC reporter interrupted Kerry to say he was giving Trump the political opportunity to claim his 2024 border policy was correct.

“Well, he was right,” Kerry rebuked the BBC reporter

The former party heavyweight has little sway inside the Democratic Party whose leaders just released a plan that would flood America with a massive inflow of Indians seeking white collar and blue-collar jobs, housing, and political power.

Kerry’s admission comes as Trump faces renewed pressure from business groups to reopen jobs to economic migrants.

Democrats “need to be talking about what Americans do care about,” Kerry told his BBC interviewer (starting 32:35):

Immigration. I said this very directly to President Biden that I think the Democrats have missed on the issue of immigration for some years… They just allowed the border to continue to be sieged, under siege.

The first thing any president should say — any president, or anybody in public life, is, ‘Without a border protected you don’t have a nation.’ I believe that. To define your nation, you have to have a border that means something. And there’s a reason we have passports. There’s a reason we have visas. We have a system, and I wish President Biden had been heard more often saying, ‘Well I’m going to enforce the law.’

The scandalized BBC reporter interrupted Kerry to say he was giving Trump the political opportunity to claim his 2024 border policy was correct.

“Well, he was right,” Kerry rebuked the BBC reporter.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 8:03am:

... you can't stomach a well-documented fact, that undocumented immigrants in the US commit fewer crimes than native-born citizens ...

That's the fact that really triggers Frannie.

He knows it's an indisputable fact, and it eats him up.

It doesn't fit in well with his extreme racist views and irrational hatred of everyone/everything that's different.

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 11:09am:

“Trump was right” on border policy, former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry told the BBC. “The problem is we [Democrats] should have been right.”

You left out the bit, same as Breitbart, where Kerry admitted that Republicans had obstructed potential bipartisan solutions by pressuring lawmakers not to pass immigration reform bills under Biden. This perspective aligns with the Democratic narrative that partisan gridlock, rather than policy choices alone, contributed to the challenges faced at the border.

But again, that doesn't align with what you want to believe.

What name will you call me this time?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 8:03am:

... you can't stomach a well-documented fact, that undocumented immigrants in the US commit fewer crimes than native-born citizens ...

Black Americans are doing the heavy lifting, statistically speaking, when it comes to crime.
It would be a similar skewering 'thanks' to Aborigines and their heavy lifting in crime stats.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 1:39pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 11:09am: “Trump was right” on border policy, former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry told the BBC. “The problem is we [Democrats] should have been right.” You left out the bit, same as Breitbart, where Kerry admitted that Republicans had obstructed potential bipartisan solutions by pressuring lawmakers not to pass immigration reform bills under Biden. This perspective aligns with the Democratic narrative that partisan gridlock, rather than policy choices alone, contributed to the challenges faced at the border. But again, that doesn't align with what you want to believe. What name will you call me this time?

The Dems wouldn't have needed Republican support to prevent illegals flooding through the borders.

Trump doesn't need Dem support to stem the flow and to deport illegals.  He does it despite concerted efforts by two bit provincial judges and a chorus of Dems.

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 3:02pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 8:03am: ... you can't stomach a well-documented fact, that undocumented immigrants in the US commit fewer crimes than native-born citizens ... Black Americans are doing the heavy lifting, statistically speaking, when it comes to crime. It would be a similar skewering 'thanks' to Aborigines and their heavy lifting in crime stats.

Do you not consider them to be real Americans? 

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 3:05pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 1:39pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 11:09am: “Trump was right” on border policy, former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry told the BBC. “The problem is we [Democrats] should have been right.” You left out the bit, same as Breitbart, where Kerry admitted that Republicans had obstructed potential bipartisan solutions by pressuring lawmakers not to pass immigration reform bills under Biden. This perspective aligns with the Democratic narrative that partisan gridlock, rather than policy choices alone, contributed to the challenges faced at the border. But again, that doesn't align with what you want to believe. What name will you call me this time? The Dems wouldn't have needed Republican support to prevent illegals flooding through the borders. Trump doesn't need Dem support to stem the flow and to deport illegals.  He does it despite concerted efforts by two bit provincial judges and a chorus of Dems.

See if you can change the subject again, Frannie.

Meanwhile:

"The American Immigration Council compared crime data to demographic data from 1980 to 2022, the most recent data available. The data showed that as the immigrant share of the population grew, the crime rate declined."

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 3:02pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 8:03am: ... you can't stomach a well-documented fact, that undocumented immigrants in the US commit fewer crimes than native-born citizens ... Black Americans are doing the heavy lifting, statistically speaking, when it comes to crime. It would be a similar skewering 'thanks' to Aborigines and their heavy lifting in crime stats. Do you not consider them to be real Americans?

They are real. They are just letting down their side out of all proportion.


Aborigines are Australians but they too are disproportionately criminal.

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 3:22pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 3:11pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 3:02pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 8:03am: ... you can't stomach a well-documented fact, that undocumented immigrants in the US commit fewer crimes than native-born citizens ... Black Americans are doing the heavy lifting, statistically speaking, when it comes to crime. It would be a similar skewering 'thanks' to Aborigines and their heavy lifting in crime stats. Do you not consider them to be real Americans?  They are real. They are just letting down their side out of all proportion. Aborigines are Australians but they too are disproportionately criminal.

So, rather than accepting that your world view is not supported by the facts, you shift the goal posts to punch down on black Americans and Indigenous Australians?

Cope harder Frank...

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 4:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 3:22pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 3:11pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 3:02pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 8:03am: ... you can't stomach a well-documented fact, that undocumented immigrants in the US commit fewer crimes than native-born citizens ... Black Americans are doing the heavy lifting, statistically speaking, when it comes to crime. It would be a similar skewering 'thanks' to Aborigines and their heavy lifting in crime stats. Do you not consider them to be real Americans?  They are real. They are just letting down their side out of all proportion. Aborigines are Australians but they too are disproportionately criminal. So, rather than accepting that your world view is not supported by the facts, you shift the goal posts to punch down on black Americans and Indigenous Australians? Cope harder Frank...

In what way is it not true that blacks in America and here skewer crime stats way out of proportion to their number?

Illegal immigrant law breaking is higher in the US compared to non-black Americans idpf you look at proportions.

Black law breaking is higher than any other, proportionally. It's not wacist to notice and to say it. I think it's the same here.

Ironically, it's probably largely due to white do-gooders like you and Bbwiyawn cultivating their noble savages difference. Toxic way to hell, to coin a phrase. And you bastards are hell bent in maintaining them in abject criminality.

But they are not different in the modern world. They need to do the same thing as the Chinese, Indians, Danes, local whites do - go to school, look after the kiddies, stay married, work and be law abiding, participate in running your community, state country.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 4:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 3:22pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 3:11pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 3:02pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 8:03am: ... you can't stomach a well-documented fact, that undocumented immigrants in the US commit fewer crimes than native-born citizens ... Black Americans are doing the heavy lifting, statistically speaking, when it comes to crime. It would be a similar skewering 'thanks' to Aborigines and their heavy lifting in crime stats. Do you not consider them to be real Americans?  They are real. They are just letting down their side out of all proportion. Aborigines are Australians but they too are disproportionately criminal. So, rather than accepting that your world view is not supported by the facts, you shift the goal posts to punch down on black Americans and Indigenous Australians?

Boom!

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 4:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 3:22pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 3:11pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 3:02pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 8:03am: ... you can't stomach a well-documented fact, that undocumented immigrants in the US commit fewer crimes than native-born citizens ... Black Americans are doing the heavy lifting, statistically speaking, when it comes to crime. It would be a similar skewering 'thanks' to Aborigines and their heavy lifting in crime stats. Do you not consider them to be real Americans?  They are real. They are just letting down their side out of all proportion. Aborigines are Australians but they too are disproportionately criminal. So, rather than accepting that your world view is not supported by the facts, you shift the goal posts to punch down on black Americans and Indigenous Australians? Cope harder Frank...

So you are the guardian and milk monitor of 'goal posts'? Everything must be discussed within the tendentious, politically motivated parameters that you set?

That sounds to me like a typical lefty ruse - set the tendentious, skewered parameters and you will have your thumb on the scale for all subsequent discussions.

So no. Not going along with your 'goal posts'. Shove up your yer.

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 8:16pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 4:59pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 3:22pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 3:11pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 3:02pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 8:03am: ... you can't stomach a well-documented fact, that undocumented immigrants in the US commit fewer crimes than native-born citizens ... Black Americans are doing the heavy lifting, statistically speaking, when it comes to crime. It would be a similar skewering 'thanks' to Aborigines and their heavy lifting in crime stats. Do you not consider them to be real Americans?  They are real. They are just letting down their side out of all proportion. Aborigines are Australians but they too are disproportionately criminal. So, rather than accepting that your world view is not supported by the facts, you shift the goal posts to punch down on black Americans and Indigenous Australians? Cope harder Frank... So you are the guardian and milk monitor of 'goal posts'? Everything must be discussed within the tendentious, politically motivated parameters that you set? That sounds to me like a typical lefty ruse - set the tendentious, skewered parameters and you will have your thumb on the scale for all subsequent discussions. So no. Not going along with your 'goal posts'. Shove up your yer.

Cry some more Frank.

When someone responds to the well-established fact that immigrants in the US commit fewer crimes than native-born citizens with "well that's because of the blacks," they're not offering a counterargument, they're confessing.

Confessing that this was never about border security or law and order. It was never about visas or overstays. It was always about preserving a racial hierarchy, and they've just blurted it out in public.

That line of reasoning doesn't just miss the point, it exposes it. It's not a rebuttal, it's a Freudian slip soaked in white supremacy.

At least you're being honest for once.