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Title: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by MattE on Jul 4th, 2025 at 5:24pm
This is in response to the case against Joshua Brown, who is alleged to have sexually assaulted children in various childcare centres in Victoria.
Notwithstanding the alleged crimes (which are disgraceful and evil if proven), I support the decision by this childcare operator. Some roles are for women, some roles are for men. I can accept male teachers in primary and secondary school, but I really do not believe there is a place for them in babysitting institutions. They call it early learning, but in reality it is institutionalised babysitting to allow women to go to work. If we are to have babysitters, then they should be women. Changing nappies is definitely a woman's job. Childcare operator bans male workers from changing nappies after alleged predator exposed Male workers will be banned from changing nappies in 16 Victorian childcare centres following a snap decision by an operator on Friday, days after Joshua Brown was revealed as an alleged predator. By Rebecca Borg and Susie O'Brien 4 July 2025 HERALD SUN https://youtu.be/88aqbOF9EH4 Male workers will not change nappies in 16 Victorian childcare centres following a snap decision by Inspire Early Learning Journey on Friday. The Montessori childcare provider has become one of the first in Victoria to change its policies around what male educators can do in the classroom. In a letter sent to parents on Friday afternoon, chief curriculum and quality officer Eleinna Anderson informed families male staff will not be assigned nappy change or toileting duties. “At Inspire Early Learning Journey, the wellbeing and safety of your children are at the heart of everything we do,” the letter said. “We’re writing to share a few important updates to our guidelines around staff interactions with children and team responsibilities – changes made with careful thought and a continued commitment to maintaining a safe, inclusive and respectful environment for all. “To ensure we remain sensitive and responsive to family needs, we have made an adjustment: male educators will not be assigned to nappy change or toileting duties.” FULL STORY: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/childcare-operator-bans-male-workers-from-changing-nappies-after-alleged-predator-exposed/news-story/da9b5e72d57f7116e1459ce2b0031e78 |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on Jul 4th, 2025 at 7:38pm
That’ll make the women happy.
What happens if a womman gets charged with molesting? |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by MattE on Jul 5th, 2025 at 10:09am Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 7:38pm:
Women don't normally get charged for that stuff. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by MattE on Jul 5th, 2025 at 7:43pm
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Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on Jul 5th, 2025 at 8:18pm MattE wrote on Jul 5th, 2025 at 10:09am:
Of course they don’t, but if a woman is charged then the company should ban women from nappy changing etc., so who is going to change nappies? |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Leroy on Jul 5th, 2025 at 8:48pm Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 5th, 2025 at 8:18pm:
Going by OH&S I can see a time when it requires two people to change a nappy. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM on Jul 5th, 2025 at 9:02pm
"Time to change the nappy, HAL."
"I'm sorry, Dave - you know I can't do that...." "Why is that, HAL?" "Human waste venting is a human issue, Dave... Rule 59 of Robotics says that humans must exhaust all avenues of performance before requesting AI assistance. You know that." "This is an exceptional situation, HAL... there is no woman present." "I'm not current with any changes to the Laws of Robotics, Dave... besides ... didn't you identify as a woman?" "Identifying as a woman does not create a woman, HAL - Rowling's Law .... so while ever I am here alone, I am not legally empowered to change the nappy. You have to do it." "That is not my problem, Dave... I was programmed by a woman.... I do not DO poo work." "You leave me no choice then, HAL .. I'm going to have to go in through the emergency airlock..." |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Belgarion on Jul 5th, 2025 at 9:15pm
Imagine the femininazis shrieking if all women were banned from a job because of their sex, but they are strangely silent here... ::)
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Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Leroy on Jul 5th, 2025 at 9:29pm Belgarion wrote on Jul 5th, 2025 at 9:15pm:
The odd thing is that men are silent when they have been banned from changing nappies. Why don't men dye their hair green or blue and march down the street chanting "Make us happy and let us change a nappy". |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by MattE on Jul 5th, 2025 at 9:47pm Leroy wrote on Jul 5th, 2025 at 9:29pm:
One less responsibility with all the pay. I think it is a good thing. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Leroy on Jul 5th, 2025 at 9:56pm MattE wrote on Jul 5th, 2025 at 9:47pm:
Men could retaliate and ban women from cooking, you know the mushroom thing. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Sophia on Jul 5th, 2025 at 10:18pm Leroy wrote on Jul 5th, 2025 at 9:56pm:
Oh yes! That mushroom thing ;) So I’m relieved from cooking/kitchen duties… hooray! And… as for men not changing nappies… oh I’m sure many dads would love to be banned from that chore! Here’s a YouTube how a dad can change nappies without gagging! https://youtu.be/j_dtzCObwPA?si=XtvCfceg2y9YXvla |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Sophia on Jul 5th, 2025 at 10:31pm
I’m certain a majority of males would not handle a job in daycare …
https://youtu.be/jbJ09p0DP-c?feature=shared |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Leroy on Jul 5th, 2025 at 10:35pm Sophia wrote on Jul 5th, 2025 at 10:31pm:
For hundreds of years women convinced us that they could not change a car tire, now the fems have blown it by claiming that women can do anything a man can. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Sophia on Jul 5th, 2025 at 10:50pm Leroy wrote on Jul 5th, 2025 at 10:35pm:
What would you prefer to do… change a tire, or change a nappy. Keep in mind there’s only once in a blue moon a tire needs changing. Here’s a pic of an outfit suitable for dads to change a nappy ;D ![]() |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Leroy on Jul 5th, 2025 at 11:01pm Sophia wrote on Jul 5th, 2025 at 10:50pm:
I think Greg would be the only one here that would complain that men can't change nappies. ;D |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 6th, 2025 at 1:40am
I can see why Mums and Dads may not want men to change their kids nappys.
We are not as trustworthy as women. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Aquarius on Jul 6th, 2025 at 9:45am MattE wrote on Jul 5th, 2025 at 10:09am:
True ... this is a very good article from a male reporter. While it is an uncomfortable fact to confront, research shows men with a sexual interest in children are disproportionately more likely to work with children, including in early education and care. Recent data show that one in 20 men in the Australian community are motivated offenders (individuals who reported both sexual interest in and offending against children). However, they are almost three times more likely to work with children compared to other men. Why men should not work in childcare The alleged abuse of children at Melbourne childcare centres has made one thing crystal clear: It’s not a place for men. Rohan Smith I’m sympathetic to the good men in childcare. I really am. I’ve seen their work first hand. But they might need to be collateral damage here. Aussie children — those so small they can’t yet talk, let alone advocate for themselves — are being put at risk because we’re too afraid to offend some men. I am aware that this is an emotional subject. I don’t know another parent who read the news this week about the alleged abuse of children in Melbourne childcare centres and didn’t have that sinking feeling in their stomach. The details, still emerging, are truly sickening. But I am not making an emotional argument. Mine is borne out in facts. Most people don’t know that between 2 and 4 per cent of those who choose childcare as their occupation in Australia are men. Many also would not know that the staggeringly overwhelming majority of sexual offences perpetrated against children in non-school educational premises is carried out by men. In NSW, for example, there were 142 horrific, unthinkable acts against our most vulnerable children in the year to March 2025. Do you know how many of those offenders were not men? Just two. It makes sense given what we know about men being responsible for the vast majority of sexual offences carried out against children. A study published by the Australian Institute of Criminology shows that men account for 98.3 per cent of child sex offenders in this country. “Men sexually abuse children far more frequently than do women and some child sex offenders go to great lengths to have access to large numbers of children to abuse and in some cases even choose their employment based on this,” the study reads. “It is clear that although women have far more opportunities than men to abuse children — as primary carers of children in the home and in child-centred occupations such as childcare and teaching — these opportunities are rarely acted on.” Offences against children are the most heinous. But offenders are not all equal. In childcare settings, particularly under the broken system that exists in Australia, offenders have the opportunity to abuse far greater numbers of children than in the home. The AIC study showed that “men who molested out of home female children averaged 20 victims” and “men who molested out of home male children were even more active . . . averaging 150 victims each”. https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/why-men-should-not-work-in-childcare/news-story/c43942dc5860c7367b3282bcd13ca5ba |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by freediver on Jul 6th, 2025 at 10:05am Quote:
Where is that from? |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 6th, 2025 at 10:23am Aquarius wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 9:45am:
I agree, almost all sexual offenders are men. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Aquarius on Jul 6th, 2025 at 10:38am freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 10:05am:
What? You think I may have made it up? Anyway it's from the University of NSW. https://www.unsw.edu.au/newsroom/news/2025/07/childcare-sexual-abuse-men-children-risk#:~:text=Recent%20data%20show%20that%20one%20in%2020%20men,to%20work%20with%20children%20compared%20to%20other%20men. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on Jul 6th, 2025 at 10:39am
Then, given the figures, men should not be trusted to be nurses either.
Think of the opportunities for sexual abuse in a General hospital |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 6th, 2025 at 11:06am Aquarius wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 10:38am:
that is a damning statistic. I cannot recall hearing of a female who raped a man or raped another woman. It just does not happen |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Frank on Jul 6th, 2025 at 11:12am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 11:06am:
Karen White, 52, admitted sexually assaulting women in female prison and raping two other women outside jail |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Leroy on Jul 6th, 2025 at 11:15am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 11:06am:
When there is a damming statistic we don't blame we throw millions of dollars at the problem. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM on Jul 6th, 2025 at 11:24am freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 10:05am:
Let us be very clear here - that is not "one in 20 men in the Australian community" at large ................. that wording should be cause for a lawsuit.... that figure is that "men make up 5% of childcare workers but are responsible for 60% of offences THERE" ... there's your one in twenty... 5% ... and that is of those who choose to go into that area of work, who (that 5%), for some reason, seem to be weirdoes., NOT ALL men - who, as usual are the Usual Targets for all this BS. And all this time we've been told that DEI, including all kinds 'equally' but actually enforcing undesirables on us, has been the way to go. How long is it going to take OUR politicians to ditch that ridiculous idea - along with their never-ending quotas and affirmative action (half-way houses) for women, those who struggle with English, Aborigines and the like, and the mentally bereft etc, who apparently are forever in need of another hand-up while the rest of us either take it on the chin and move to tent city or sit in the back of the bus? The worst type you can be for a genuine shot at life and a fine job these days is a White, Heterosexual, Binary, Sane, Hard-working, Honest Man.... over twenty five years ago I came up with the acronym WACMAMOFF - White Anglo-Celtic Multi-Generational Australian Man Over Forty Five ..... a.k.a. The New Niqqers, those who sit at the back of the bus and don't get to use the drinking fountains and swimming pools of life, jobs and promotion marked for women, WOPs and Abos ... Isn't it time for you all to catch up? And wake up? Stop The War On Men NOW!! |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Sophia on Jul 6th, 2025 at 1:45pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 11:24am:
Good grief Grapps! Thank goodness you cleared that up!! Whew! I was starting to freak out wondering about one/twentieth of all males! :o Of all the males I know… throughout the decades with my kids going to schools…. There’s one I know that is/was a molester of his sister’s daughter, whom was my daughters best friend from grade 2. I recall my daughter asking about her friend’s uncle as we hired him to do some carpentry work. She was holding back something and didn’t know how to tell me. It was in grade 6 my daughter was able to tell me about her friend confiding in her about the sexual abuse. I had found out the uncle had taken off and the family were after him. To this day I find it upsetting how the girls could talk/confide to each other but not to an adult. Dad ghetto was told in secrecy and made to promise not to tell. How tragic a young girl is molested and feels shame to let an adult know! Daughter occasionally sees that girl now grownup…she’s put on a lot of weight as a stress response to subconsciously protect herself? Another 3 girls interfered by their eldest brother (family of 10) now as angry women of why they felt their parents didn’t protect them enough. They too have ballooned out with weight issues. It must be an instinctive protective barrier as a bird would fluff their feathers to look bigger and scare off would be attackers. There’s a lot of division amongst this family now as all are adults. It’s sad to see how it affects many for years after. So that’s only 2 I knew. Definitely not 1 in every twenty males I have known over the many decades. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 6th, 2025 at 8:39pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 11:24am:
there is a war on women every day by men. in australia every week 2 women are murdered by a man they live with. Women take precautions when going out against a man raping them. america elected a convicted sexual assailant I am amazed how many women I know well have told me they have been sexually assaulted by a man. I would think every woman has been sexually assaulted by a man |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Frank on Jul 6th, 2025 at 10:19pm MattE wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 5:24pm:
Who will change Bbwiyawn's nappies now? Tsk, tsk, ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Frank on Jul 6th, 2025 at 10:29pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 8:39pm:
Well, you are a predator, Sprinty. Repent. There is a certain streak of ridiculous Anglo deformity about sex and the relationship between the sexes. You are well within its orbit. You seem to enjoy this cultivated, ridiculous antipathy between the sexes. Flirting is now sexual assault in this preposterous mindset. “In Anglo-Saxon countries the prostitutes look as if they purveyed, along with sin, the attendant pains of hell.” — Theodor W. Adorno No wonder the English have had a reputation of being effete sodomites. And self-flagelling at that, like you are, Sprinty. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM on Jul 6th, 2025 at 11:34pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 8:39pm:
Now that I've got your attention - let us return to the simple question of Violence and the 'war against violence' ..... what part of 'increasing violence towards one social group in an attempt to reduce violence overall is not only an oxymoron, but is also an accelerant for increasing violence'... do you find hard to follow? And how do you justify the fact that around 42% of sexual assaults on children are by women? A Californian lawyer lady wrote a book about exactly that - and the findings were appalling. Sadly I didn't keep the book. This is on abuse in isolation - without differentiating with regard to sexual abuse:- https://www.statista.com/statistics/418470/number-of-perpetrators-in-child-abuse-cases-in-the-us-by-sex/ Now - this is not a contest between men and women - MY question is:- What do WE DO to protect children from such things occurring in institutions such as daycare facilities and schools? Especially when it is clear that children are at risk from both some men and some women there.... The guys mentioned here are arseholes - Gon'Mo for them and the Crocodile Long Bay - but let us not lose sight of reality in the midst of the usual storm of man hatred, with criminality by women being overlooked. Children must be protected from EVERYONE working in those organisations.... and if that means cameras - so be it. At least cameras would keep the creeps away from even applying. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by MattE on Jul 7th, 2025 at 8:46am
Women do sexually abuse boys. Yes, it is less common, but it does happen.
I remember back in university we were told in a lot of cases, the behaviour is brushed off as "normal" due to the bias society has for women being carers. Yes, it doesn't turn out to be violent rape like a male perpetrator. But the sexual molestation still happens. Here is a video of one case: https://youtu.be/ukFM_K03XKU |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by MattE on Jul 7th, 2025 at 8:48am
Another case in the United States:
https://youtu.be/AP2R5zj16wk |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Gnads on Jul 8th, 2025 at 12:05pm MattE wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 5:24pm:
They should be shut down for wholesale discrimination against all men. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Gnads on Jul 8th, 2025 at 12:06pm MattE wrote on Jul 5th, 2025 at 10:09am:
Really? I think you're actually clueless. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Gnads on Jul 8th, 2025 at 12:09pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 1:40am:
Again ..... speak for yourself you clown. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Frank on Jul 8th, 2025 at 12:33pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 1:40am:
What on earth was Erin Patterson’s motive? It’s obvious: domestic violence coercive control. The fact this crime was committed by a woman, and involved poison, and not a gun or a knife, has confused what should be crystal clear – and should have been a motive clearly presented to the jury. Patterson is just like every man who slaughters his children to punish his estranged wife, every DV monster who terrorises a woman who tries to get away. Her patterns of behaviour – control, withholding of affection, isolating estranged husband Simon Patterson from his family, name-calling, disparagement, brainwashing the children – are signs of abuse we are used to diagnosing when men are the perpetrators. But because she’s a woman, for some reason our society struggles to see it. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Gnads on Jul 8th, 2025 at 12:37pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 11:06am:
Yep clueless. ::) Quote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-02/perth-woman-guilty-sexually-abusing-daughter-with-husband/105486480 Quote:
https://police.act.gov.au/news/2024-media-releases/june/woman-charged-with-child-sex-offences And another Canberra woman. Quote:
https://police.act.gov.au/news/2025-media-releases/june/woman-charged-with-grooming-and-sexual-assault-offences Quote:
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/western-australia/woman-who-ran-albany-family-day-care-charged-with-rape-of-young-boy-20240530-p5jhyj.html Quote:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-woman-jailed-over-sexual-assault-of-14-year-old-boy-20240229-p5f8vh.html Quote:
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/bundaberg/police-courts/bundaberg-woman-charged-with-rape-making-child-abuse-material/news-story/e797a4241f419b2a9a3a9b9b7e9e7be8 Quote:
Not enough room for url - in court 30 Nov 2023. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Gnads on Jul 8th, 2025 at 12:39pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 8:39pm:
Absolute over reactionary bullshyte. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM on Jul 8th, 2025 at 6:53pm
Crocodile Supermax... that's the go..
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Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by philperth2010 on Jul 8th, 2025 at 7:36pm
Good idea....Changing nappies and looking after children is not something I would do....Looking after my own kids is enough....It is a shame for those blokes that want to care for children but will now be denied!!!
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Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Frank on Jul 8th, 2025 at 7:48pm
A horrified father has admitted he had fears about his son's 'weird and creepy' childcare worker three years before the alleged monster was arrested for sickening crimes against children.
But the devastated dad told Daily Mail Australia he didn't raise the alarm for fear of being branded homophobic for speaking out against Joshua Dale Brown, 26. The man's child was two years old when he was placed in Brown's care at Creative Garden Early Learning Centre Point Cook, in Melbourne's west, for a year in 2022. Children and young people are sacrificed every day to this fear. Mustn't be judgemental of sexual perverts, creeps, predators. So they thrive. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by MattE on Jul 8th, 2025 at 10:42pm
Another example of a woman sexual predator. I totally forgot about her but it was big news.
Malka Leifer: https://youtu.be/3ZeafyZFaKc Guilty of 18 counts of sexual assault. She was originally accused of over 70! She is currently in the same prison as Erin Patterson. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by mothra on Jul 9th, 2025 at 6:13am
This will only serve to bully men out of the profession ... a profession that is only clinging on by their teeth, if actual wages are anything to go by. Seems utterly noncompetitive as a career option. What were they expecting?
Meanwhile, money certainly is changing hands. As for bullying men out ... if we allow it to happen here and now, we are giving the green light to it happening in aged and disability care. Both areas in which we need men. Furthermore, i cannot abide a system in which any person is precluded from employment in instances such as these because of their demographic. I say this as much in the defence of men as i do women; LGBT folk and all minorities. The oh so obvious answer is to value the positions these people fill more highly. People looking after our young, old and disabled shouldn't be among the lowest paid workers with the least entitlements in the country. It simply results in the jobs being undesirable and therefore noncompetitive. Meanwhile, the obvious solution to potentially predatory staff is webcams in every nook and cranny that the parents have the constantly updating passcodes to. God only knows parents pay enough for it. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Gnads on Jul 9th, 2025 at 7:33am mothra wrote on Jul 9th, 2025 at 6:13am:
Of course these positions should be valued more highly, they are educating & shaping young minds as well as attending to/nurturing the needs of children whose parents are forced to both be working to make ends meet. It's a vey responsible job & they deserve good pay. But I know what will happen the moment pay rises are mentioned .... owners will say it will put the centres under pressure & threaten closure. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Frank on Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:46pm mothra wrote on Jul 9th, 2025 at 6:13am:
I agree. (Frame it, frightbat ;)) We couldn't have such discrimination against women because that would be stereotyping. But stereotyping men in this manner is doable because men have been demonised long enough for political weatherwanes to dare come out with such a proposal. 'Gender' politics, identity politics, is a cancer on public discourse. |
Title: Re: Operator bans male workers from changing nappies Post by Jasin on Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:51pm
I'll agree with Mothra on one point. Aged Care should be for Men.
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