The UK will reportedly be designating Palestine Action as a terrorist group for spraying British military planes with red paint to protest the genocide in Gaza.

It says a lot about how backwards and diseased Western civilization has become when peace activists are designated as terrorists for trying to stop the world’s worst acts of terrorism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC84JDWL7sA

How did they manage to get close to military planes?

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 25^th, 2025 at 6:45am:

The UK will reportedly be designating Palestine Action as a terrorist group for spraying British military planes with red paint to protest the genocide in Gaza. It says a lot about how backwards and diseased Western civilization has become when peace activists are designated as terrorists for trying to stop the world’s worst acts of terrorism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC84JDWL7sA

Peace activists? You plonker.

Western civilisation is only diseased because it opened it's door to the 3rd world & Islamists.

Our Universities are full of brainwashed whack jobs like you.

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2025 at 8:09am:

How did they manage to get close to military planes?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn81g4e0nlyo



And Gnads, who's behind all that immigration?

Here's who:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/barbara-spectre.jpg


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1652250085/236#236


And if you attack those protesters then you are indirectly supporting that genocide. Shame on you.

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 25^th, 2025 at 6:45am:

It says a lot about how backwards and diseased Western civilization has become when peace activists are designated as terrorists for trying to stop the world’s worst acts of terrorism.

wombatwoody,

How do you know those persons were peace activists ?

When in fact......those persons may have been followers of ISLAM, or, simply supporters of the followers of ISLAM.

And even if they were 'simply supporters' of the followers of ISLAM.....that would still make those same persons complicit in all of the murderous acts,
by of those who are followers of ISLAM.



wombatwoody,

Today, in 2024-2025.....its...."The poor, followers of ISLAM, Gazans !!!"

Consider.......that in Gaza, on Oct 8th, 2023......
ordinary Gazans were seen to be openly celebrating,
what their fellow Gazans had 'accomplished' on Oct 7th, 2023.

So wombatwoody, please explain to me........
Why are Gazans telling the world in 2025, that they no longer want to be martyrs for Allah's Cause ???
.....when on Oct 7th, 2023 they themselves [Gazans], were happy to be slaughtering Jews, in Israel ?


.


Yadda said3....
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1582638136/0#0

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/1#1


"Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/21#21

Yadda wrote on Jun 26^th, 2025 at 9:10pm:

How do you know those persons were peace activists ?

Why do you think they weren't?


Quote:

So wombatwoody, please explain to me........

Explain to me why Baruch Goldstein in Feb 1994 murdered 29 Palestinian people and injured dozens more in Hebron (Cave of the Patriarchs massacre).

Breaking into a military base and damaging military equipment kind of stretches the definition of peace activist. Especially when they do so on behalf of terrorist organisations.

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 6:26am:

Yadda wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 9:10pm: How do you know those persons were peace activists ? Why do you think they weren't?

Well you MUST know wombatwoody.  ???


i.e.
You are referring in YOUR POST.......
to these persons......as being PEACE ACTIVISTS.

peace = = the cessation of war.

activism = = the use of vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.


So you and i must assume that these   >> peace activists <<   ARE AWARE,
of the 'mainline'......violent and murderous, religious doctrines of ISLAM,
and i assume that those   >> peace activists <<   are unceasingly denouncing the violent ISLAMIC religious doctrines,
which are promoted......by all devout followers of ISLAM ??

Right ?



wombatwoody,

i.e.
These   >> peace activists <<   must be aware, that ISLAMIC religious doctrines.....
call for the followers of ISLAM.....
to bring murderous violence....against ALL 'disbelievers' ???

Yes ?



HERE...SOME OF THESE CALLS OF ISLAM,
TO BRING VIOLENCE AGAINST 'DISBELIEVERS'.....
ARE CITED BELOW.

e.g.
From the Sunna of Mohammed...

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?"
He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad).
The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?
He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026




n.b.
ISLAM promotes >> hatred << of ALL non-moslems - AS A RELIGIOUS PRECEPT.

INSTRUCTION DIRECTLY FROM ALLAH, IN THE HOLY KORAN.......


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.
Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things."
Koran 9.38, 39


"Say: "...If ye think that ye are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men,
then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!"  "
Koran 62.06


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise):
they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


Are Jihad and Martyrdom in the Bible?
Reply #25 - Jul 13th, 2019
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1562914791/25#25
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1562914791/26#26
MORE HERE.....
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1562914791/5#5



JEWISH RELIGIOUS LAW......

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

[   AND AS AN ASIDE....if the stranger who is living among God's people becomes a killer....there is no exemption for him, from the law.......AND THIS IS OLD TESTAMENT.......
Leviticus 24:17  And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death.

AND LIARS....AKA, FALSE WITNESSES......
Deuteronomy 19:16  If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
17  Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18  And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: AND, BEHOLD, IF THE WITNESS BE A FALSE WITNESS, AND HATH TESTIFIED FALSELY AGAINST HIS BROTHER;
19  THEN SHALL YE DO UNTO HIM, AS HE HAD THOUGHT TO HAVE DONE UNTO HIS BROTHER: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.   ]

Yadda wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 9:34am:

n.b. ISLAM promotes >> hatred << of ALL non-moslems AS A RELIGIOUS PRECEPT.

No one should imagine [or claim].....
that my assertion above is an example of 'HATE SPEECH'.



EVIDENCES OF THE TRUTHFULNESS....
HERE.....

------- >


ISLAM promotes >> hatred << of ALL non-moslems.....
AS A RELIGIOUS PRECEPT.

INSTRUCTION DIRECTLY FROM ALLAH, IN THE HOLY KORAN.......



"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11
[ISLAMIC LAW 'TRANSLATION'......
It is LAWFUL for a follower of ISLAM, to kill, those who reject Allah's religion. ]


"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23


"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28


"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


.


FURTHER;
HATRED OF ALL DISBELIEVERS....


WWW search....
AL WALAA WAL BARAA, "Islamic jurists"


Essentially, AL WALAA WAL BARAA translates as;

".....loving and hating....for the sake of Allah."


It means, LOVING your moslem brothers.   .....as per ISLAMIC religious precepts.

It means, HATING the disbelievers.   .....as per ISLAMIC religious precepts.

It means, being a moslem.

It means, OBEYING ISLAMIC LAW !

Gnads wrote on Jun 25^th, 2025 at 10:56am:

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 25th, 2025 at 6:45am: The UK will reportedly be designating Palestine Action as a terrorist group for spraying British military planes with red paint to protest the genocide in Gaza. It says a lot about how backwards and diseased Western civilization has become when peace activists are designated as terrorists for trying to stop the world’s worst acts of terrorism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC84JDWL7sA Peace activists? You plonker. Western civilisation is only diseased because it opened it's door to the 3rd world & Islamists. Our Universities are full of brainwashed whack jobs like you.

Palestine Action = terrorist scumbags.

https://youtu.be/oeaqRKyRk4Y?si=VYkH_pRZyCxDL70p

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 2:11pm:

Palestine Action = terrorist scumbags. https://youtu.be/oeaqRKyRk4Y?si=VYkH_pRZyCxDL70p

Hi frank,

PC Peter Pisspot.......i liked his message.....but his eyes !

His eyes are a bit of a worry !      ;D

Yadda wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 10:47am:

[quote author=Yadda link=1750797928/7#7 date=1750980856] n.b. ISLAM promotes >> hatred << of ALL non-moslems AS A RELIGIOUS PRECEPT. No one should imagine [or claim]..... that my assertion above is an example of 'HATE SPEECH'.

You are uneducable.

Jehovah is "a jealous God".....

The "Peoples of the Book" are fighting amongst themselves. and endangering all of us.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 8:13am:

Yadda wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 10:47am: [quote author=Yadda link=1750797928/7#7 date=1750980856] n.b. ISLAM promotes >> hatred << of ALL non-moslems AS A RELIGIOUS PRECEPT. No one should imagine [or claim]..... that my assertion above is an example of 'HATE SPEECH'. You are uneducable. Jehovah is "a jealous God"..... The "Peoples of the Book" are fighting amongst themselves. and endangering all of us.

Are you disagreeing with what was actually said, or with something that was not said?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 8:13am:

Yadda wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 10:47am: n.b. ISLAM promotes >> hatred << of ALL non-moslems AS A RELIGIOUS PRECEPT. You are uneducable. Jehovah is "a jealous God"..... The "Peoples of the Book" are fighting amongst themselves. and endangering all of us.

thegreatdivide,

Huh ?

The followers of Allah, are usurpers, who come with 'swords'......to kill.

They say exactly that, that they come with 'swords'......to kill......all who resist their oppression.

e.g.
From the Sunna of Mohammed...

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?"
He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad).
The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?
He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026


Instruction from the prophet of ALLAH,
in the hadith....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion,
kill him."
- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260


KILL, KILL, KILL !!!

Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220


".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062



KJV
"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."



.



Another people.....
a people who follow the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.


The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, He is God.


Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.


The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, is the protector of His people.

They are His little flock.

He made an ancient covenant with His people.....a covenant which His people broke.

And yet......

Exodus 19:4
Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
5  Now therefore,
if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant,
then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6  And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7  And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
8  And all the people answered together,
and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do.
And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.


Isaiah 54:6
For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7  For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
8  In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
9  For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
10  For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed;
but my kindness shall not depart from thee,
neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 8:47am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 8:13am: Yadda wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 10:47am: [quote author=Yadda link=1750797928/7#7 date=1750980856] n.b. ISLAM promotes >> hatred << of ALL non-moslems AS A RELIGIOUS PRECEPT. No one should imagine [or claim]..... that my assertion above is an example of 'HATE SPEECH'. You are uneducable. Jehovah is "a jealous God"..... The "Peoples of the Book" are fighting amongst themselves. and endangering all of us. Are you disagreeing with what was actually said, or with something that was not said?

 
Are you too unintelligent to see that mythological "rellgious precepts" can cause both Islamic terrorism, and Jewish terrorism manifesting in illegal occuption of territory?   

Yadda thinks Islam promotes hatred of non-Moslems, but forgets Jehovah's "Promised Land" mythology promotes violence against innocent Palestinians. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 10:27am:

freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 8:47am: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 8:13am: Yadda wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 10:47am: [quote author=Yadda link=1750797928/7#7 date=1750980856] n.b. ISLAM promotes >> hatred << of ALL non-moslems AS A RELIGIOUS PRECEPT. No one should imagine [or claim]..... that my assertion above is an example of 'HATE SPEECH'. You are uneducable. Jehovah is "a jealous God"..... The "Peoples of the Book" are fighting amongst themselves. and endangering all of us. Are you disagreeing with what was actually said, or with something that was not said?   Are you too untilligent to see that mythological "rellgious precepts" can cause both Islamic terrorism, and Jewish terrorism manifesting in illegal occuption of territory?

I am just asking you if you disagree with what Yadda said. You have a happy of calling people idiots when you actually agree with what they say.

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 10:29am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 10:27am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 8:47am: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 8:13am: Yadda wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 10:47am: Yadda wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 9:34am: n.b. ISLAM promotes >> hatred << of ALL non-moslems AS A RELIGIOUS PRECEPT. No one should imagine [or claim]..... that my assertion above is an example of 'HATE SPEECH'. You are uneducable. Jehovah is "a jealous God"..... The "Peoples of the Book" are fighting amongst themselves. and endangering all of us. Are you disagreeing with what was actually said, or with something that was not said?   Are you too untilligent to see that mythological "rellgious precepts" can cause both Islamic terrorism, and Jewish terrorism manifesting in illegal occuption of territory?    I am just asking you if you disagree with what Yadda said. Errrr - it's a bit hard for you to tell,  is it? Yadda said pointing to the evils of "religious precepts" in not hate speech". I pointed out the egregious "religious precepts" in Yadda's idealized OT, religious precepts which result in evil outcome, just as via the Koran.    Oh dear, the Conservative "crippled-brain' problem is in evidence again. Whether these egregious religious precepts are hate sppeech or not is irrelevant to the evil consequences of the said precepts. [quote]You have a happy of calling people idiots when you actually agree with what they say.

(Sigh...) - the travails ot teaching the ideologically-crippled conservative brain...

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 6:55am:

Breaking into a military base and damaging military equipment kind of stretches the definition of peace activist.

Damage? A tiny bit of spray paint. You call that damage?



Quote:

Especially when they do so on behalf of terrorist organisations.

Like the one Israel created, nurtured and financed?

Yadda, threads in the Islam forum have nothing to do with this topic.

Israel is the terrorist, not Palestine Action.

Palestine Action has never harmed a single human being, whereas Israel’s genocide in Gaza has killed or maimed at least 200,000 people, including tens of thousands of children. This constitutes state terror by any standard. These brave and dedicated activists are acting to prevent it because their government refuses to.

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 1^st, 2025 at 10:55pm:

Yadda, threads in the Islam forum have nothing to do with this topic. Israel is the terrorist, not Palestine Action. Palestine Action has never harmed a single human being, whereas Israel’s genocide in Gaza has killed or maimed at least 200,000 people, including tens of thousands of children. This constitutes state terror by any standard. These brave and dedicated activists are acting to prevent it because their government refuses to.

Gaza is a WAR ZONE.

HAMAS, itself, >> INTENTIONALLY << made Gaza a WAR ZONE......on Oct 7, 2023.

When HAMAS want the death [conflict] in Gaza to end,
HAMAS can end the war in Gaza, in a moment.

With just simple declaration........and HAMAS could end the whole conflict in Gaza.


"A war never ends by one side declaring victory, but by one side admitting defeat."
- Ahmad Shah Massoud

Respect.


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wombatwoody wrote on Jul 1^st, 2025 at 10:55pm:

........Israel’s genocide in Gaza has killed or maimed at least 200,000 people, including tens of thousands of children.

Peace loving.....followers of ISLAM.....is an oxymoron.

Or rather........IT IS JUST A BIG FAT LIE.



ISLAM, is a deceitful, murderous death cult....
who's 'maniacal' 'religious' doctrines, have corrupted the psyche of all those persons....
who have fallen under its thrall.

thrall = =
1 the state of being in another’s power.
2 a slave, servant, or captive.


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IMAGE.....
https://www.algemeiner.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Screen-Shot-2014-12-17-at-12.44.17-PM-1024x770.jpg


Quote:

IN MOSLEM MAJORITY NATIONS, MOSLEM CHILDREN, ARE TAUGHT 'HOW TO PRACTICE ISLAM' AND FROM CHILDHOOD....... AND ARE BEING URGED TO DEVELOP THE DESIRE TO BECOME AN ISLAMIC MARTYR ------ >

IMAGE
http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/suicide_bomber_1_.jpg


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1621945743/7#7




Quote:

"Our children are our glory and honor, they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine, and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."

- Palestinian Authority - TEACHING THEIR CHILDREN
HOW THEY OUGHT TO PRACTICE ISLAM.
source - https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian-children-created-to-fertilize-the-land-with-their-bloo

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 30^th, 2025 at 4:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 10:29am: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 10:27am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 8:47am: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 8:13am: Yadda wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 10:47am: Yadda wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 9:34am: n.b. ISLAM promotes >> hatred << of ALL non-moslems AS A RELIGIOUS PRECEPT. No one should imagine [or claim]..... that my assertion above is an example of 'HATE SPEECH'. You are uneducable. Jehovah is "a jealous God"..... The "Peoples of the Book" are fighting amongst themselves. and endangering all of us. Are you disagreeing with what was actually said, or with something that was not said?   Are you too untilligent to see that mythological "rellgious precepts" can cause both Islamic terrorism, and Jewish terrorism manifesting in illegal occuption of territory?    I am just asking you if you disagree with what Yadda said. Errrr - it's a bit hard for you to tell,  is it? Yes. You are more slippery than an eel. Do you agree or disagree with what Yadda said? wombatwoody wrote on Jul 1st, 2025 at 10:50pm: freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 6:55am: Breaking into a military base and damaging military equipment kind of stretches the definition of peace activist. Damage? A tiny bit of spray paint. You call that damage? Yes. [quote]Like the one Israel created, nurtured and financed?

Would you mind explaining your Jewish conspiracy for us?

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2025 at 8:51am:

Quote: Like the one Israel created, nurtured and financed? Would you mind explaining your Jewish conspiracy for us?

Why must I keep repeating myself?

Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009 that “Hamas…is Israel’s creation.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html

And Hamas is financed by Israel:

https://news.sky.com/video/benjamin-netanyahu-allowed-millions-of-dollars-to-go-to-hamas-in-cash-israeli-ambassador-says-13228028

And:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1621916534/214#214

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:55am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2025 at 8:51am: Quote: Like the one Israel created, nurtured and financed? Would you mind explaining your Jewish conspiracy for us? Why must I keep repeating myself? Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009 that “Hamas…is Israel’s creation.” https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html And Hamas is financed by Israel: https://news.sky.com/video/benjamin-netanyahu-allowed-millions-of-dollars-to-go-to-hamas-in-cash-israeli-ambassador-says-13228028 And: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1621916534/214#214

wombatwoody said......

Quote:

Avner Cohen......told the Wall Street Journal in 2009 that   “Hamas…is Israel’s creation.”

In your own source......that >> OPINION, << is postulated as an academic argument,
and not as an uncontested fact.



Quote:

JANUARY 24, 2009 How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas By ANDREW HIGGINS Moshav Tekuma, Israel ...... ......When Israel first encountered Islamists in Gaza in the 1970s and '80s, they seemed focused on studying the Quran, not on confrontation with Israel. The Israeli government officially recognized a precursor to Hamas called Mujama Al-Islamiya, registering the group as a charity. It allowed Mujama members to set up an Islamic university and build mosques, clubs and schools. Crucially, Israel often stood aside when the Islamists and their secular left-wing Palestinian rivals battled, sometimes violently, for influence in both Gaza and the West Bank. "When I look back at the chain of events I think we made a mistake," says David Hacham, who worked in Gaza in the late 1980s and early '90s as an Arab-affairs expert in the Israeli military. "But at the time nobody thought about the possible results." Israeli officials who served in Gaza disagree on how much their own actions may have contributed to the rise of Hamas. They blame the group's recent ascent on outsiders, primarily Iran. This view is shared by the Israeli government. "Hamas in Gaza was built by Iran as a foundation for power, and is backed through funding, through training and through the provision of advanced weapons," Mr. Olmert said last Saturday. Hamas has denied receiving military assistance from Iran.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html

The article seems to be suggesting....
that HAMAS was a creature of IRAN's influence.

While Israel 'officials' were merely watching HAMAS' progress....
through its early development,
into what it eventually became.

AS PER.....

Quote:

"When I look back at the chain of events I think we made a mistake," says David Hacham, who worked in Gaza.....as an Arab-affairs expert in the Israeli military.

wombatwoody,

Even your argument that......
"Hamas is financed by Israel:"
is a contorted lie.   !!

contort, contortion = = twist or bend out of its normal shape.


I suggest, that you read the 'facts'......which are presented.....in YOUR OWN source........
https://news.sky.com/video/benjamin-netanyahu-allowed-millions-of-dollars-to-go-to-hamas-in-cash-israeli-ambassador-says-13228028

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:55am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2025 at 8:51am: Quote: Like the one Israel created, nurtured and financed? Would you mind explaining your Jewish conspiracy for us? Why must I keep repeating myself?

I keep repeating myself, because you do not answer the question. You keep repeating yourself because you are afraid to answer the question. I am not asking you to copy and paste fragments of other people's sentences. I am asking you to explain your version of this grand Jewish conspiracy.

Will you do that, or do you recognise that it is too stupid to put into writing? And if you do realise that it is too stupid to commit to writing, why do you keep parroting it with fragments of other people's opinions? Or is it the case that you understand none of what you post and want us to tell you what your opinion is? Perhaps you hate Jews so much because you see yourself as a puppet, and you are forced to speak the Jews words by the cunning hand inside you? These are the things that you leave people wondering when you obsessively post your propaganda.

It's a sign of weakness and someone (like the Lefties here) who knows they are losing - permanently.

Wombatwoolley has no cards. ;D

FD & Yadda, if you think the words of an experienced diplomat and former Israeli ambassador to the US (Danny Ayalon), and reports from the MSM, are a mere 'opinion' you need your heads read.


Quote:

Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years. Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official. https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2002/06/18/Analysis-Hamas-history-tied-to-Israel/82721024445587/

What is this grand Jewish conspiracy rattling round in your head woody? Mr Ayalon won't shed any light on it. Can you, or does it keep disappearing whenever you look to closely?

https://i.ibb.co/C32y5KQW/Screenshot-20250708-083910.png

These innocent people have been targeted by Hamas for too long.

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2025 at 9:59am:

What is this grand Jewish conspiracy rattling round in your head woody? Mr Ayalon won't shed any light on it. Can you, or does it keep disappearing whenever you look to closely?

What part of,

Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.

do you not understand?

MattE wrote on Jul 8^th, 2025 at 8:42am:

https://i.ibb.co/C32y5KQW/Screenshot-20250708-083910.png These innocent people have been targeted by Hamas for too long.

Bullcrap.

https://www.aljazeera.com/video/start-here/2025/7/1/gaza-aid-killings-start-here

Wombatwoolley is genociding the future.

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 5:56pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 9:59am: What is this grand Jewish conspiracy rattling round in your head woody? Mr Ayalon won't shed any light on it. Can you, or does it keep disappearing whenever you look to closely? What part of, Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. do you not understand?

The bit where you quoted part of someone else's sentence instead of having your own thoughts.

Are you having difficulty understanding the question? Or do you literally have no thoughts of your own on this matter?

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 5:56pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 9:59am: What is this grand Jewish conspiracy rattling round in your head woody? Mr Ayalon won't shed any light on it. Can you, or does it keep disappearing whenever you look to closely? What part of, Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. do you not understand?

The PLO was established in 1964. ALL the palestinian territories were under Arab control. The West Baank was occupied by Jordan, Gaza by Egypt.

Did the PLO want to establish a Palestinian state in these Palestinian territories? Of course not. They wanted to eliminate Israel.


Nothing has changed since then, just the franchise name - PLO, Hamas, Fatah, Schmattah, Allah's Brigades This, Allah's Brigades That.

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 6:14pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:56pm: freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 9:59am: What is this grand Jewish conspiracy rattling round in your head woody? Mr Ayalon won't shed any light on it. Can you, or does it keep disappearing whenever you look to closely? What part of, Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. do you not understand? The bit where you quoted part of someone else's sentence instead of having your own thoughts. Are you having difficulty understanding the question? Or do you literally have no thoughts of your own on this matter?

Hi FD, you didn't answer Wombat's question.

Why do you classify peace activists who throw paint on planes terrorists, but ignore what Israel is currently doing in Gaza?

That's a question. If you have difficulty understanding it, please explain in your reply.

Cheers.

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 6:14pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:56pm: freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 9:59am: What is this grand Jewish conspiracy rattling round in your head woody? Mr Ayalon won't shed any light on it. Can you, or does it keep disappearing whenever you look to closely? What part of, Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. do you not understand? The bit where you quoted part of someone else's sentence instead of having your own thoughts. Are you having difficulty understanding the question? Or do you literally have no thoughts of your own on this matter?

You're just being argumentative, as usual.

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 6:47pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:56pm: freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 9:59am: What is this grand Jewish conspiracy rattling round in your head woody? Mr Ayalon won't shed any light on it. Can you, or does it keep disappearing whenever you look to closely? What part of, Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. do you not understand? The PLO was established in 1964. ALL the palestinian territories were under Arab control. The West Baank was occupied by Jordan, Gaza by Egypt. Did the PLO want to establish a Palestinian state in these Palestinian territories? Of course not. They wanted to eliminate Israel. Nothing has changed since then, just the franchise name - PLO, Hamas, Fatah, Schmattah, Allah's Brigades This, Allah's Brigades That.

PLO chairman Yasser Arafat stated in his 1974 speech to the United Nations, “We do distinguish between Judaism and Zionism. While we maintain our opposition to the colonialist Zionist movement, we respect the Jewish faith.”

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 7:00am:

freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:14pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:56pm: freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 9:59am: What is this grand Jewish conspiracy rattling round in your head woody? Mr Ayalon won't shed any light on it. Can you, or does it keep disappearing whenever you look to closely? What part of, Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. do you not understand? The bit where you quoted part of someone else's sentence instead of having your own thoughts. Are you having difficulty understanding the question? Or do you literally have no thoughts of your own on this matter? You're just being argumentative, as usual.

Are you afraid of your own thoughts, or can you just not find them?

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 5:57pm:

MattE wrote on Jul 8th, 2025 at 8:42am: https://i.ibb.co/C32y5KQW/Screenshot-20250708-083910.png These innocent people have been targeted by Hamas for too long. Bullcrap. https://www.aljazeera.com/video/start-here/2025/7/1/gaza-aid-killings-start-here

The United Nations human rights office has said it recorded at least 613 killings of Palestinians, both at controversial aid points run by the Israeli and United States-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) and near humanitarian convoys.

“This is a figure as of June 27. Since then … there have been further incidents,” Ravina Shamdasani, the spokesperson for the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR), told reporters in Geneva on Friday.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/4/un-says-613-gaza-killings-recorded-at-aid-sites-near-humanitarian-convoys

As of yesterday that figure has risen to 770, Aljazeera reports.

It should not be forgotten that UNRWA had 400 sites dotted all over Gaza until Israel stopped it all. Whereas, GHF had only four, three in the south, one in the centre and none in the north. Now that's down to just one.

No wonder Jake Wood quit.

A restaurant in Spain refused to serve tourists from Israel and kicked them out.

https://x.com/ultras_antifaa/status/1942700629220286512

https://x.com/Resist_05/status/1942733735180525952

USA reacts to its 9/11 attacks from Terrorists of Afghanistan.
...not Genocide.

Israel reacts to the Hamas attacks from Gaza.
...called Genocide.


Um, yeah ...nah. ::)

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 8:55am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2025 at 8:51am: Quote: Like the one Israel created, nurtured and financed? Would you mind explaining your Jewish conspiracy for us? Why must I keep repeating myself? Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009 that “Hamas…is Israel’s creation.” https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html And Hamas is financed by Israel: https://news.sky.com/video/benjamin-netanyahu-allowed-millions-of-dollars-to-go-to-hamas-in-cash-israeli-ambassador-says-13228028 And: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1621916534/214#214

Pretty obvious to me that you don't understand/interpret the reasons of how Israel supposedly created HAMAS.

It certainly wasn't intentional. So you allow people the freedom of practicing their religion, don't crack down on the more radical Islamists .....

and it's all your fault that they see that as weakness in their enemy - take it a step further and presto Israel creates Hamas?????

What BS - it's what radical Islamists would have done regardless.

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 7:02am:

Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:47pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:56pm: freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 9:59am: What is this grand Jewish conspiracy rattling round in your head woody? Mr Ayalon won't shed any light on it. Can you, or does it keep disappearing whenever you look to closely? What part of, Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. do you not understand? The PLO was established in 1964. ALL the palestinian territories were under Arab control. The West Baank was occupied by Jordan, Gaza by Egypt. Did the PLO want to establish a Palestinian state in these Palestinian territories? Of course not. They wanted to eliminate Israel. Nothing has changed since then, just the franchise name - PLO, Hamas, Fatah, Schmattah, Allah's Brigades This, Allah's Brigades That. PLO chairman Yasser Arafat stated in his 1974 speech to the United Nations, “We do distinguish between Judaism and Zionism. While we maintain our opposition to the colonialist Zionist movement, we respect the Jewish faith.”

Yasser Arafat could not lie straight in bed.

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 8:40am:

A restaurant in Spain refused to serve tourists from Israel and kicked them out. https://x.com/ultras_antifaa/status/1942700629220286512

They should be shut down.

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 8:41am:

https://x.com/Resist_05/status/1942733735180525952

Abby Martin - a nobody.

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 8:41am:

https://x.com/Resist_05/status/1942733735180525952

These are your people, this is what you stand for.

https://x.com/Sarah4Trump_/status/1942956937215160740

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 7:02am:

Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:47pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:56pm: freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 9:59am: What is this grand Jewish conspiracy rattling round in your head woody? Mr Ayalon won't shed any light on it. Can you, or does it keep disappearing whenever you look to closely? What part of, Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. do you not understand? The PLO was established in 1964. ALL the palestinian territories were under Arab control. The West Baank was occupied by Jordan, Gaza by Egypt. Did the PLO want to establish a Palestinian state in these Palestinian territories? Of course not. They wanted to eliminate Israel. Nothing has changed since then, just the franchise name - PLO, Hamas, Fatah, Schmattah, Allah's Brigades This, Allah's Brigades That. PLO chairman Yasser Arafat stated in his 1974 speech to the United Nations, “We do distinguish between Judaism and Zionism. While we maintain our opposition to the colonialist Zionist movement, we respect the Jewish faith.”

Well, that's a slobɓering cocksucker ( yes, he was) indulging in taqiyya for you.

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 7:04am:

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 7:00am: freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:14pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:56pm: freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 9:59am: What is this grand Jewish conspiracy rattling round in your head woody? Mr Ayalon won't shed any light on it. Can you, or does it keep disappearing whenever you look to closely? What part of, Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. do you not understand? The bit where you quoted part of someone else's sentence instead of having your own thoughts. Are you having difficulty understanding the question? Or do you literally have no thoughts of your own on this matter? You're just being argumentative, as usual. Are you afraid of your own thoughts, or can you just not find them?

I notice you avoided me saying you're being argumentative. Truth hurts, eh?

When someone posts a link to a news article or statement by a politician/govt. member and doesn't refute it or otherwise disagrees then, it goes without saying, that person is expressing their agreement. IOW, nothing more needs to be said.

That you disregard that shows you're being argumentative - and evasive and disruptive, which is your debating style, if it can be called debating at all.

Besides, I've made my thoughts on Zionism in general and the current situation in particular very clear. On the latter see the Israel Ordered Military to Stand Down thread, for one.

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 1:17pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 8:41am: https://x.com/Resist_05/status/1942733735180525952 Abby Martin - a nobody.

I know it's difficult for you to deal with but you'd better get used to the fact that more and more people are turning against the racist apartheid state of Israel.

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 10:41pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 8:41am: https://x.com/Resist_05/status/1942733735180525952 These are your people, this is what you stand for. https://x.com/Sarah4Trump_/status/1942956937215160740

Mr. Balfour's private thoughts were much with Zionism. At no time, as far as the annals disclose, did he give thought to the native inhabitants of Palestine, whose expulsion into the wilderness he was to cause... Dr. Weizmann, forty years later, recorded that the Mr. Balfour whom he met "had only the most naive and rudimentary notion of the movement"; he did not even know Dr. Herzl's name, the nearest he could get to it being "Dr. Herz". Mr. Balfour was already carried away by his enthusiasm for the unknown cause. He posed formal objections, but apparently only for the pleasure of hearing them overborne, as might a girl object to the elopement she secretly desires.

  -- Douglas Reed, The Controversy of Zion, Chapter 28: The Aberration of Mr. Balfour



According to W.J.M. Childs, in, A History of the Peace Conference of Paris, v. 6, p. 172-73 (published under the auspices of the British Institute for International Affairs in 1924):

It is possible to understand from many sources that directly, and indirectly, the services expected of Jewry were not expected in vain, and were, from the point of view of British interests alone, well worth the price which had to be paid. Nor is it to be supposed that the services already rendered are the last—it may well be that in time to come Jewish support will much exceed any thought possible in the past.

What were "the services expected of Jewry" that were "not expected in vain" and were "well worth the price"? In 1936, Samuel Landman let the cat out of the bag with a pamphlet entitled Great Britain, the Jews and Palestine. Landman had been in Weizmann’s circle during the war—a point easily ascertainable from biographies of Weizmann—and was in a position to know what had gone on between the Zionists and the British government.

Landman’s pamphlet was addressed to the British government. His complaint was that in 1916 there had been what he called a "gentleman’s agreement" between the Zionists and the British government; that the Zionists had fully upheld their own end of the agreement; and that now, 20 years later, the British had yet to deliver Palestine.

According to Landman, the Zionist quid pro quo for the Balfour Declaration was nothing less than to "induce the American President to come into the War" on the British side. Landman complained that this wartime service to the British accounted "in no small measure" for Nazi anti-Semitism, and warned that if the British didn’t deliver a Jewish state in Palestine, the Jews in their despair might try to "pull down the pillars of civilisation."

Landman’s argument was in part that the British, having turned Jews into mortally endangered pariahs in Nazi Germany, had a moral obligation to extricate them. Similar moral-obligation arguments have recently been addressed to the U.S.—for example on behalf of Shiites and Kurds who rebelled against Saddam Hussein in response to American encouragement after the First Gulf War, and then found in the face of mass slaughter that the expected U.S. assistance was a chimera.

Landman’s words about pulling down "the pillars of civilisation," moreover, might have been taken as a threat that the Jews, having brought down two cousins of the English royal house, the czar and the kaiser, would turn next on the Nazi-sympathizer Edward VIII, then in the one partial year of his reign.

Landman’s pamphlet is a tale of double betrayal, first Zionist betrayal of the Germans—on whose side the Jews had first been—and then British betrayal of the Jews. The British had found their promise hard to keep. That was because of entirely understandable Arab resistance, amply forecast by the Zionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky. Jabotinsky warned in his famous essay "The Iron Wall" (1923) that there had never been a people who had submitted willingly to colonization of their homeland, and that the Arabs in Palestine would not be the first. Nor was Jabotinsky’s warning new even in 1923. See Nur Masalha, Expulsion of the Palestinians: The Concept of "Transfer" in Zionist Political Thought, 1882-1948 (1992), and Masalha, The Politics of Denial (2003).

In 1997, John Cornelius argued persuasively in the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs that the Zionists—having every incentive to guarantee British victory—brought the U.S. into the war in 1917 by leaking to British intelligence either the plain text of the Zimmermann Telegram or, more likely, the code in which it was encrypted. The Zimmermann Telegram, from the foreign office in Berlin to the German embassy in Mexico City, suggested that if the U.S. came in on the British side, Mexico be encouraged to "reconquer" its "lost territory" of Texas, New Mexico and Arizona.

  -- Nicholas Lysson, On The Origins of The Balfour Declaration, May 2006

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 10:43pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 7:02am: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:47pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:56pm: freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 9:59am: What is this grand Jewish conspiracy rattling round in your head woody? Mr Ayalon won't shed any light on it. Can you, or does it keep disappearing whenever you look to closely? What part of, Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. do you not understand? The PLO was established in 1964. ALL the palestinian territories were under Arab control. The West Baank was occupied by Jordan, Gaza by Egypt. Did the PLO want to establish a Palestinian state in these Palestinian territories? Of course not. They wanted to eliminate Israel. Nothing has changed since then, just the franchise name - PLO, Hamas, Fatah, Schmattah, Allah's Brigades This, Allah's Brigades That. PLO chairman Yasser Arafat stated in his 1974 speech to the United Nations, “We do distinguish between Judaism and Zionism. While we maintain our opposition to the colonialist Zionist movement, we respect the Jewish faith.” Well, that's a slobɓering cocksucker ( yes, he was) indulging in taqiyya for you.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/handshake.jpg

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 1:06am:

freediver wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 7:04am: wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 7:00am: freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:14pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:56pm: freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 9:59am: What is this grand Jewish conspiracy rattling round in your head woody? Mr Ayalon won't shed any light on it. Can you, or does it keep disappearing whenever you look to closely? What part of, Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. do you not understand? The bit where you quoted part of someone else's sentence instead of having your own thoughts. Are you having difficulty understanding the question? Or do you literally have no thoughts of your own on this matter? You're just being argumentative, as usual. Are you afraid of your own thoughts, or can you just not find them? I notice you avoided me saying you're being argumentative. Truth hurts, eh? When someone posts a link to a news article or statement by a politician/govt. member and doesn't refute it or otherwise disagrees then, it goes without saying, that person is expressing their agreement. IOW, nothing more needs to be said.

You might be expressing your agreement. You also might not understand what is being said. With you, I am leaning towards the latter. The only time I managed to get you to say whether you agreed with what you post, you admitted it was probably BS. You could not explain why you compulsively post things that you know to be untrue.

This is what HAMAS and other Islamists are all about. They should be culled along with any who make excuses for them:

https://gellerreport.com/2025/07/unimaginable-hamas-gang-rape-horror-revealed-in-shocking-new-report-terrorists-stripped-october-7-sex-attack-victims-tied-them-to-trees-and-mutilated-them-during-systematic-onslaught.html/?fbclid=IwY2xjawLe5JpleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHpjEFqUeHqK_6BVvFXqnFhdnaDPbK3xpXp7VU_XiPZwNNx0w3TPcDGfqn2k3_aem_5pSFWp0vT7TtmXb2ls-2LQ

Belgarion wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 4:53pm:

This is what HAMAS and other Islamists are all about.

Disgraceful, barbaric and totally unacceptable.

Similarly, the IDF deliberately targeting women, children, schools and maternity hospitals is equally disgraceful and barbaric, and is also totally unacceptable.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 5:07pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jul 12th, 2025 at 4:53pm: This is what HAMAS and other Islamists are all about. Similarly, the IDF ..

No, clammy wanker, there is nothing 'similarly' in this conflict.

Frank wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 5:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2025 at 5:07pm: Belgarion wrote on Jul 12th, 2025 at 4:53pm: This is what HAMAS and other Islamists are all about. Similarly, the IDF .. No, clammy wanker, there is nothing 'similarly' in this conflict.

There certainly is.

Both sides are deliberately targeting innocent women and children.

And for some sick, twisted reason you applaud the IDF for their war crimes.

War criminals, rapists, convicted felons - you love 'em all.

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 1:08am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 1:17pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 8:41am: https://x.com/Resist_05/status/1942733735180525952 Abby Martin - a nobody. I know it's difficult for you to deal with but you'd better get used to the fact that more and more people are turning against the racist apartheid state of Israel.

And there's your whole argument, which is an unmitigated lie.

You're as  big and as bad a liar as most Palestinian Arabs.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 5:07pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jul 12th, 2025 at 4:53pm: This is what HAMAS and other Islamists are all about. Disgraceful, barbaric and totally unacceptable. Similarly, the IDF deliberately targeting women, children, schools and maternity hospitals is equally disgraceful and barbaric, and is also totally unacceptable.

What that is... is a lie.

For supporters of the enemies of Israel - you are despicable 'human beings':-

"STOP EXECUTION OF IRANIAN PROTESTERS
Stop the Killing: War Used as Cover to Execute Protesters in Iran

14 July 2025

Since the June 13–24 2025 conflict with Israel, executions in Iran have spiked sharply.

    21 people were executed during the 12‑day conflict, including six accused of spying for Israel, and at least three Kurdish men were hanged in Urmia .
   
By the end of June, 98 executions had taken place—a 119% surge compared to June 2024—and a total of 612 were carried out between January and June 2025, more than double the previous year .
   
On July 7, five Kurdish activists from the “Women, Life, Freedom” movement were handed up to 12 death sentences collectively, following unfair trials and coerced confessions.
    
Rights groups report that executions are being fast-tracked via sham trials, torture-based confessions, and are being used to instill fear and suppress dissent amid internal instability.

We urge the international community, UN bodies, foreign governments, and human rights organizations,  to condemn this wave of political executions, demand transparency and independent judicial review, call for immediate suspension of all death sentences, and pressure Iran to reform its legal processes to ensure fair trials."

Disclaimer:-  I don't generally join the chorus over 'popular issues' and I reject many of the 'human rights groups' - and am very selective - this is one I've stood against since it first began... this brutal regime ... Trump's B-2s couldn't have found a more worthy target to practice on, and the sooner these kinds disappear from the face of this earth the better.  Animals - lower than.

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 10:43pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 7:02am: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:47pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:56pm: freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 9:59am: What is this grand Jewish conspiracy rattling round in your head woody? Mr Ayalon won't shed any light on it. Can you, or does it keep disappearing whenever you look to closely? What part of, Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. do you not understand? The PLO was established in 1964. ALL the palestinian territories were under Arab control. The West Baank was occupied by Jordan, Gaza by Egypt. Did the PLO want to establish a Palestinian state in these Palestinian territories? Of course not. They wanted to eliminate Israel. Nothing has changed since then, just the franchise name - PLO, Hamas, Fatah, Schmattah, Allah's Brigades This, Allah's Brigades That. PLO chairman Yasser Arafat stated in his 1974 speech to the United Nations, “We do distinguish between Judaism and Zionism. While we maintain our opposition to the colonialist Zionist movement, we respect the Jewish faith.” Well, that's a slobɓering cocksucker ( yes, he was) indulging in taqiyya for you.

Islam has always respected the Jewish faith, while Muslims slaughter Jews. They learnt this trick from Muhammad. It's always the Jews fault you see. They are Zionists, or treacherous in some other way, like not converting to Islam. Muhammad held that Judaism was an inferior part of Islam, and thus deserving some respect, and as soon as he was in a position to bully people, threatened Jews with death if they did not convert. They did not convert. Muhammad slaughtered them and started Islam's first ethnic cleansing program.

Belgarion wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 4:53pm:

This is what HAMAS and other Islamists are all about. They should be culled along with any who make excuses for them: https://gellerreport.com/2025/07/unimaginable-hamas-gang-rape-horror-revealed-in-shocking-new-report-terrorists-stripped-october-7-sex-attack-victims-tied-them-to-trees-and-mutilated-them-during-systematic-onslaught.html/?fbclid=IwY2xjawLe5JpleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHpjEFqUeHqK_6BVvFXqnFhdnaDPbK3xpXp7VU_XiPZwNNx0w3TPcDGfqn2k3_aem_5pSFWp0vT7TtmXb2ls-2LQ

You are no better than the scumbag terrorists you condemn....Calling for the culling of any people is terrorism you fack wit....Your source is also questionable dickhead!!!

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/geller-report/

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/websites-post-fake-satirical-stories/

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freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2025 at 8:04am:

Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 10:43pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11th, 2025 at 7:02am: Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 6:47pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jul 10th, 2025 at 5:56pm: freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2025 at 9:59am: What is this grand Jewish conspiracy rattling round in your head woody? Mr Ayalon won't shed any light on it. Can you, or does it keep disappearing whenever you look to closely? What part of, Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. do you not understand? The PLO was established in 1964. ALL the palestinian territories were under Arab control. The West Baank was occupied by Jordan, Gaza by Egypt. Did the PLO want to establish a Palestinian state in these Palestinian territories? Of course not. They wanted to eliminate Israel. Nothing has changed since then, just the franchise name - PLO, Hamas, Fatah, Schmattah, Allah's Brigades This, Allah's Brigades That. PLO chairman Yasser Arafat stated in his 1974 speech to the United Nations, “We do distinguish between Judaism and Zionism. While we maintain our opposition to the colonialist Zionist movement, we respect the Jewish faith.” Well, that's a slobɓering cocksucker ( yes, he was) indulging in taqiyya for you. Islam has always respected the Jewish faith, while Muslims slaughter Jews. They learnt this trick from Muhammad. It's always the Jews fault you see. They are Zionists, or treacherous in some other way, like not converting to Islam. Muhammad held that Judaism was an inferior part of Islam, and thus deserving some respect, and as soon as he was in a position to bully people, threatened Jews with death if they did not convert. They did not convert. Muhammad slaughtered them and started Islam's first ethnic cleansing program.

Yes, he wanted to impress the Jews and be regarded the final prophet of Yahweh. When the Jews laughed at him as the meshugah he was and ridiculed his mail-order Doctor of Divinity pretentions, his vanity was wounded and he turned on them with a vengeance.

That sort of psychological turn is not unusual, even today. 

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2025 at 10:17am:

Belgarion wrote on Jul 12th, 2025 at 4:53pm: This is what HAMAS and other Islamists are all about. They should be culled along with any who make excuses for them: https://gellerreport.com/2025/07/unimaginable-hamas-gang-rape-horror-revealed-in-shocking-new-report-terrorists-stripped-october-7-sex-attack-victims-tied-them-to-trees-and-mutilated-them-during-systematic-onslaught.html/?fbclid=IwY2xjawLe5JpleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHpjEFqUeHqK_6BVvFXqnFhdnaDPbK3xpXp7VU_XiPZwNNx0w3TPcDGfqn2k3_aem_5pSFWp0vT7TtmXb2ls-2LQ You are no better than the scumbag terrorists you condemn....Calling for the culling of any people is terrorism you fack wit....Your source is also questionable dickhead!!! https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/geller-report/ https://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/websites-post-fake-satirical-stories/ ::) ::) ::)

While gutless self virtue signalling Lefties like yourself, would rather undermine any self preservation by people against these Muslim and darkie hostilities of terrorism and riots (murders and rapes) and call them racists and genociders for doing so.

You're just a cowardly traitor of your own people, which you deem as sacrificial lambs for your own self preservation.

Jasin wrote on Jul 16^th, 2025 at 1:26pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 10:17am: Belgarion wrote on Jul 12th, 2025 at 4:53pm: This is what HAMAS and other Islamists are all about. They should be culled along with any who make excuses for them: https://gellerreport.com/2025/07/unimaginable-hamas-gang-rape-horror-revealed-in-shocking-new-report-terrorists-stripped-october-7-sex-attack-victims-tied-them-to-trees-and-mutilated-them-during-systematic-onslaught.html/?fbclid=IwY2xjawLe5JpleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHpjEFqUeHqK_6BVvFXqnFhdnaDPbK3xpXp7VU_XiPZwNNx0w3TPcDGfqn2k3_aem_5pSFWp0vT7TtmXb2ls-2LQ You are no better than the scumbag terrorists you condemn....Calling for the culling of any people is terrorism you fack wit....Your source is also questionable dickhead!!! https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/geller-report/ https://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/websites-post-fake-satirical-stories/ ::) ::) ::) While gutless self virtue signalling Lefties like yourself, would rather undermine any self preservation by people against these Muslim and darkie hostilities of terrorism and riots (murders and rapes) and call them racists and genociders for doing so. You're just a cowardly traitor of your own people, which you deem as sacrificial lambs for your own self preservation.

I support Isreal and condemn HAMAS ya dickhead....What I do not support is the call for the culling of any people....Are you a NAZI ARSEHOLE???

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I support Isreal

Since when? And did you mean Israel?

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2025 at 3:24pm:

Jasin wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 1:26pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 10:17am: Belgarion wrote on Jul 12th, 2025 at 4:53pm: This is what HAMAS and other Islamists are all about. They should be culled along with any who make excuses for them: https://gellerreport.com/2025/07/unimaginable-hamas-gang-rape-horror-revealed-in-shocking-new-report-terrorists-stripped-october-7-sex-attack-victims-tied-them-to-trees-and-mutilated-them-during-systematic-onslaught.html/?fbclid=IwY2xjawLe5JpleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHpjEFqUeHqK_6BVvFXqnFhdnaDPbK3xpXp7VU_XiPZwNNx0w3TPcDGfqn2k3_aem_5pSFWp0vT7TtmXb2ls-2LQ You are no better than the scumbag terrorists you condemn....Calling for the culling of any people is terrorism you fack wit....Your source is also questionable dickhead!!! https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/geller-report/ https://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/websites-post-fake-satirical-stories/ ::) ::) ::) While gutless self virtue signalling Lefties like yourself, would rather undermine any self preservation by people against these Muslim and darkie hostilities of terrorism and riots (murders and rapes) and call them racists and genociders for doing so. You're just a cowardly traitor of your own people, which you deem as sacrificial lambs for your own self preservation. I support Isreal and condemn HAMAS ya dickhead....What I do not support is the call for the culling of any people....Are you a NAZI ARSEHOLE??? :-? :-? :-?

So you're a Switzerland shouting loud about how bad the Allies are, just as much as the Germans, Japs and Italians were and how superior you are as Switzerland for doing so.
I guess being on a Political Forum empowers Leftism Media virtue signallers like a holiday from their excesses of drugs & alcohol in the Music industry? Even in Sport.

Either pick a side or stick your head up your arse and just butt out.

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2025 at 4:26pm:

Quote: I support Isreal Since when? And did you mean Israel?

You cannot negotiate with terrorists Freediver so I support Israel defending it's territory against Islamic extremists....I do not support the call for the culling of any people....Do you???

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Jasin wrote on Jul 16^th, 2025 at 4:53pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 3:24pm: Jasin wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 1:26pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 10:17am: Belgarion wrote on Jul 12th, 2025 at 4:53pm: This is what HAMAS and other Islamists are all about. They should be culled along with any who make excuses for them: https://gellerreport.com/2025/07/unimaginable-hamas-gang-rape-horror-revealed-in-shocking-new-report-terrorists-stripped-october-7-sex-attack-victims-tied-them-to-trees-and-mutilated-them-during-systematic-onslaught.html/?fbclid=IwY2xjawLe5JpleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHpjEFqUeHqK_6BVvFXqnFhdnaDPbK3xpXp7VU_XiPZwNNx0w3TPcDGfqn2k3_aem_5pSFWp0vT7TtmXb2ls-2LQ You are no better than the scumbag terrorists you condemn....Calling for the culling of any people is terrorism you fack wit....Your source is also questionable dickhead!!! https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/geller-report/ https://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/websites-post-fake-satirical-stories/ ::) ::) ::) While gutless self virtue signalling Lefties like yourself, would rather undermine any self preservation by people against these Muslim and darkie hostilities of terrorism and riots (murders and rapes) and call them racists and genociders for doing so. You're just a cowardly traitor of your own people, which you deem as sacrificial lambs for your own self preservation. I support Isreal and condemn HAMAS ya dickhead....What I do not support is the call for the culling of any people....Are you a NAZI ARSEHOLE??? :-? :-? :-? So you're a Switzerland shouting loud about how bad the Allies are, just as much as the Germans, Japs and Italians were and how superior you are as Switzerland for doing so. I guess being on a Political Forum empowers Leftism Media virtue signallers like a holiday from their excesses of drugs & alcohol in the Music industry? Even in Sport. Either pick a side or stick your head up your arse and just butt out.

Incoherant bullshit....You are just too stupid to be taken serious???

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philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2025 at 5:29pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 4:26pm: Quote: I support Isreal Since when? And did you mean Israel? You cannot negotiate with terrorists Freediver so I support Israel defending it's territory against Islamic extremists....I do not support the call for the culling of any people....Do you??? :-? :-? :-?

It's kind of hard to defend yourself against terrorists without culling a few people.

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2025 at 5:45pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:29pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 4:26pm: Quote: I support Isreal Since when? And did you mean Israel? You cannot negotiate with terrorists Freediver so I support Israel defending it's territory against Islamic extremists....I do not support the call for the culling of any people....Do you??? :-? :-? :-? It's kind of hard to defend yourself against terrorists without culling a few people.

So do you support the culling of innocent people to enact your retribution???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2025 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:45pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:29pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 4:26pm: Quote: I support Isreal Since when? And did you mean Israel? You cannot negotiate with terrorists Freediver so I support Israel defending it's territory against Islamic extremists....I do not support the call for the culling of any people....Do you??? :-? :-? :-? It's kind of hard to defend yourself against terrorists without culling a few people. So do you support the culling of innocent people to enact your retribution??? :-? :-? :-?

You are confused Phil. Again.

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2025 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:45pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:29pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 4:26pm: Quote: I support Isreal Since when? And did you mean Israel? You cannot negotiate with terrorists Freediver so I support Israel defending it's territory against Islamic extremists....I do not support the call for the culling of any people....Do you??? :-? :-? :-? It's kind of hard to defend yourself against terrorists without culling a few people. So do you support the culling of innocent people to enact your retribution??? :-? :-? :-?

Hamas started the 'culling' on 7 October 2023. It is highly dishonest of you and the other 'both sides' bozos to leave that bit out.

So if you want to characterise the Israeli response to the biggest pogrom since the Final Solution as mere 'culling', go ahead. It just reinforces your complete dishonesty.

I wonder if they acted the same against America's retaliation for 9/11?
Or even the UNs (Russia included) action against Iraq's Kuwait assault?
Maybe these Lefties on here would denounce Australia's defence against Nihon as genocide?

It's pretty apparent that the Lefties on here are alike Traitors in our midst.

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2025 at 5:54pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:51pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:45pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:29pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 4:26pm: Quote: I support Isreal Since when? And did you mean Israel? You cannot negotiate with terrorists Freediver so I support Israel defending it's territory against Islamic extremists....I do not support the call for the culling of any people....Do you??? :-? :-? :-? It's kind of hard to defend yourself against terrorists without culling a few people. So do you support the culling of innocent people to enact your retribution??? :-? :-? :-? You are confused Phil. Again.

You are alright with culling people....Do you know what that means or are you the one who is confused???

:-? :-? :-?

So you obviously have a problem with anything military, because in your eyes, any military action is culling, genocide, etc.
Maybe you are chest beating your non military superiority from a music festival of peace, unicorns and moonbeams.
Who ya gonna call if Hamas turns up?
Don't worry Phil, we know how you feel about military actions.
We'll give you a number and you can call Ghostbusters to come to your rescue. ;)

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2025 at 7:20pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:54pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:51pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:45pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:29pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 4:26pm: Quote: I support Isreal Since when? And did you mean Israel? You cannot negotiate with terrorists Freediver so I support Israel defending it's territory against Islamic extremists....I do not support the call for the culling of any people....Do you??? :-? :-? :-? It's kind of hard to defend yourself against terrorists without culling a few people. So do you support the culling of innocent people to enact your retribution??? :-? :-? :-? You are confused Phil. Again. You are alright with culling people....Do you know what that means or are you the one who is confused??? :-? :-? :-?

I am absolutely right with culling everyone perpetrating and involved in the 7 October attack. In Gaza, across the world.

You could see Lefties like Phil in Gaza. "Hey little Palestinian boy. Would you like some candy?".
The kid pulls out his AK-47.  ;D

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2025 at 7:20pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:54pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:51pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:45pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:29pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 4:26pm: Quote: I support Isreal Since when? And did you mean Israel? You cannot negotiate with terrorists Freediver so I support Israel defending it's territory against Islamic extremists....I do not support the call for the culling of any people....Do you??? :-? :-? :-? It's kind of hard to defend yourself against terrorists without culling a few people. So do you support the culling of innocent people to enact your retribution??? :-? :-? :-? You are confused Phil. Again. You are alright with culling people....Do you know what that means or are you the one who is confused??? :-? :-? :-?

How do you propose that Israel defend itself from Hamas without negotiating with anyone or killing anyone?

Well if they could they would but they can’t so that’s why innocent people are being killed.

I believe Hamas is simply using the  people of Gaza as basically a human  resource to try and convince the world how terrible Israel is.
Hamas cares nothing for the people of Gaza, they are just disposable pawns in Iran game.

They are the ones causing these tragedies.

American, Malaysian & Pakistan soldiers had to fire into oncoming civilians purposely using themselves to hide Militia among them in the battles of Mogadishu.
Genocide? Culling?
I don't think so. Not when civilians allow themselves to be used as human shields for emotional blackmail. They've crossed the line.

The IDF are justified in their collateral damage against Civilians who are willingly being human shields in their Death to Jews/Israel aim.

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2025 at 9:06pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:20pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:54pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:51pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:45pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:29pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 4:26pm: Quote: I support Isreal Since when? And did you mean Israel? You cannot negotiate with terrorists Freediver so I support Israel defending it's territory against Islamic extremists....I do not support the call for the culling of any people....Do you??? :-? :-? :-? It's kind of hard to defend yourself against terrorists without culling a few people. So do you support the culling of innocent people to enact your retribution??? :-? :-? :-? You are confused Phil. Again. You are alright with culling people....Do you know what that means or are you the one who is confused??? :-? :-? :-? How do you propose that Israel defend itself from Hamas without negotiating with anyone or killing anyone?

So you are avoiding answering about culling innocent people you guttless wonder....Typical racist arsehole deflecting to defend the killing of innocent people....HAMAS would be proud of your support to continue the killing....Wanker!!!

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Daves2017 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2025 at 12:22am:

Well if they could they would but they can’t so that’s why innocent people are being killed. I believe Hamas is simply using the  people of Gaza as basically a human  resource to try and convince the world how terrible Israel is. Hamas cares nothing for the people of Gaza, they are just disposable pawns in Iran game. They are the ones causing these tragedies.

HAMAS are scum....However how does Israel killing innocent people help their cause....Perhaps Israel should not have invaded the West Bank with illegal settlements....Ignoring the root cause allowes you to excuse Israels actions....Another guttless wonder like Freediver!!!


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UN top court says Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories is illegal

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjerjzxlpvdo

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/7/19/how-israeli-settlements-are-taking-over-the-west-bank-as-gaza-war-rages

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Daves2017 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2025 at 12:22am:

Well if they could they would but they can’t so that’s why innocent people are being killed.

Innocent people are being killed because the IDF is deliberately targeting them under Netanyahu's orders.

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2025 at 9:48am:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 9:06pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:20pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:54pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:51pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:45pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:29pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 4:26pm: Quote: I support Isreal Since when? And did you mean Israel? You cannot negotiate with terrorists Freediver so I support Israel defending it's territory against Islamic extremists....I do not support the call for the culling of any people....Do you??? :-? :-? :-? It's kind of hard to defend yourself against terrorists without culling a few people. So do you support the culling of innocent people to enact your retribution??? :-? :-? :-? You are confused Phil. Again. You are alright with culling people....Do you know what that means or are you the one who is confused??? :-? :-? :-? How do you propose that Israel defend itself from Hamas without negotiating with anyone or killing anyone? So you are avoiding answering about culling innocent people you guttless wonder....Typical racist arsehole deflecting to defend the killing of innocent people....HAMAS would be proud of your support to continue the killing....Wanker!!! ::) ::) ::)

I am not avoiding it. You asked a different question. I answered it. You then switched the question and pretended I was answering a different question. I assumed it was just confusion on your part. It seems to happen every single time I respond to you. You are incapable of reading what people actually post and always insist on substituting whatever your angry little fantasy of the day is, then people spend pages and pages trying to explain to you how confused you are, but it never works. The more people say, the more there is for you to get confused about. And the more confused you get, the more certain you become that your fantasy is real.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 17^th, 2025 at 10:19am:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:22am: Well if they could they would but they can’t so that’s why innocent people are being killed. Innocent people are being killed because the IDF is deliberately targeting them under Netanyahu's orders.

Innocent Palestinians are being killed because Hamas leaders are instructing their terrorists to hide in with the public to gain political advantage. Hamas are supplying their terrorists with food at the expense of children.

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2025 at 10:50am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 9:48am: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 9:06pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 7:20pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:54pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:51pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:45pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:29pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 4:26pm: Quote: I support Isreal Since when? And did you mean Israel? You cannot negotiate with terrorists Freediver so I support Israel defending it's territory against Islamic extremists....I do not support the call for the culling of any people....Do you??? :-? :-? :-? It's kind of hard to defend yourself against terrorists without culling a few people. So do you support the culling of innocent people to enact your retribution??? :-? :-? :-? You are confused Phil. Again. You are alright with culling people....Do you know what that means or are you the one who is confused??? :-? :-? :-? How do you propose that Israel defend itself from Hamas without negotiating with anyone or killing anyone? So you are avoiding answering about culling innocent people you guttless wonder....Typical racist arsehole deflecting to defend the killing of innocent people....HAMAS would be proud of your support to continue the killing....Wanker!!! ::) ::) ::)   I am not avoiding it. You asked a different question. I answered it. You then switched the question and pretended I was answering a different question. I assumed it was just confusion on your part. It seems to happen every single time I respond to you. You are incapable of reading what people actually post and always insist on substituting whatever your angry little fantasy of the day is, then people spend pages and pages trying to explain to you how confused you are, but it never works. The more people say, the more there is for you to get confused about. And the more confused you get, the more certain you become that your fantasy is real.

I oppose the culling of innocent people which is what I have been saying all along and you have been avoiding the issue with deflection and bullshit as usual....Calling for the culling of any people is disgusting and shows what a complete arsehole you really are....There is no confusion about you defending the culling of innocent people you arsehole!!!

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 17^th, 2025 at 10:19am:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:22am: Well if they could they would but they can’t so that’s why innocent people are being killed. Innocent people are being killed because the IDF is deliberately targeting them under Netanyahu's orders.

Israel has attacked Syria....Freediver supports Israels right to launch attacks on civilians because he believes in culling the innocent to defend Israel....Apparemtly it is okay for Jews to kill inocent Muslims according to Freediver!!!

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I oppose the culling of innocent people which is what I have been saying all along

No Phil, you have been saying a lot of different things. You even went to the trouble of highlighting one of the different versions. Not only are you incapable of reading what other people actually write, you are also incapable of reading what you write. Perhaps that is why you are so flexible in the "interpretation" of other people's posts, because you don't mean exactly what you say.

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2025 at 11:40am:

Quote: I oppose the culling of innocent people which is what I have been saying all along and you have been avoiding the issue with deflection and bullshit as usual....Calling for the culling of any people is disgusting and shows what a complete arsehole you really are....There is no confusion about you defending the culling of innocent people you arsehole!!! No Phil, you have been saying a lot of different things. You even went to the trouble of highlighting one of the different versions. Not only are you incapable of reading what other people actually write, you are also incapable of reading what you write. Perhaps that is why you are so flexible in the "interpretation" of other people's posts, because you don't mean exactly what you say.

You support the culling of innocent people....Why do you deny what you have said Freediver???

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freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2025 at 5:45pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:29pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 4:26pm: Quote: I support Isreal Since when? And did you mean Israel? You cannot negotiate with terrorists Freediver so I support Israel defending it's territory against Islamic extremists....I do not support the call for the culling of any people....Do you??? :-? :-? :-? It's kind of hard to defend yourself against terrorists without culling a few people.

Do you know what culling people means Freediver....Or are you ignorant as well as stupid???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2025 at 11:59am:

freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 11:40am: Quote: I oppose the culling of innocent people which is what I have been saying all along and you have been avoiding the issue with deflection and bullshit as usual....Calling for the culling of any people is disgusting and shows what a complete arsehole you really are....There is no confusion about you defending the culling of innocent people you arsehole!!! No Phil, you have been saying a lot of different things. You even went to the trouble of highlighting one of the different versions. Not only are you incapable of reading what other people actually write, you are also incapable of reading what you write. Perhaps that is why you are so flexible in the "interpretation" of other people's posts, because you don't mean exactly what you say. You support the culling of innocent people....Why do you deny what you have said Freediver??? :-? :-? :-?

Calm down Phil. Please quote what I actually said, and I might be able to help with your confusion.

How many pages is it going to take this time?

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2025 at 12:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:45pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:29pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 4:26pm: Quote: I support Isreal Since when? And did you mean Israel? You cannot negotiate with terrorists Freediver so I support Israel defending it's territory against Islamic extremists....I do not support the call for the culling of any people....Do you??? :-? :-? :-? It's kind of hard to defend yourself against terrorists without culling a few people. Do you know what culling people means Freediver....Or are you ignorant as well as stupid??? :-? :-? :-?

So you have no idea what culling people means???

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philperth2010 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2025 at 12:39pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:01pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:45pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:29pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 4:26pm: Quote: I support Isreal Since when? And did you mean Israel? You cannot negotiate with terrorists Freediver so I support Israel defending it's territory against Islamic extremists....I do not support the call for the culling of any people....Do you??? :-? :-? :-? It's kind of hard to defend yourself against terrorists without culling a few people. Do you know what culling people means Freediver....Or are you ignorant as well as stupid??? :-? :-? :-? So you have no idea what culling people means??? ::) ::) ::)

You introduced the term.
Why?

Genocide.

That's the correct term to use when describing what Netanyahu is doing.

The Taliban committed genocide of Kurds. Their actions against Kurds, was recognised as Genocide.
The is no Genocide of Palestinians by the IDF, especially in methods as used by the Taliban and recognised by the UN.

So as usual, the creepy troll Gwoggy is LYING again.
Labelling innocent people as genociders.
What a lowlife. ::)

"The judges also “found reasonable grounds to believe that they bear criminal responsibility” … “for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”. The charges are also backed by the work of the International Court of Justice, which has found that it is “plausible” that Israel has committed acts in Gaza that violate the Genocide Convention."

Formality for any conflict.
Still doesn't confirm Genocide.
I bet you tell people the puffer fish you caught was a marlin.

Frank wrote on Jul 17^th, 2025 at 12:57pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:39pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 17th, 2025 at 12:01pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:45pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 5:29pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2025 at 4:26pm: Quote: I support Isreal Since when? And did you mean Israel? You cannot negotiate with terrorists Freediver so I support Israel defending it's territory against Islamic extremists....I do not support the call for the culling of any people....Do you??? :-? :-? :-? It's kind of hard to defend yourself against terrorists without culling a few people. Do you know what culling people means Freediver....Or are you ignorant as well as stupid??? :-? :-? :-? So you have no idea what culling people means??? ::) ::) ::) You introduced the term. Why?

Bullshit Fwank!!!


philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2025 at 10:17am:

Belgarion wrote on Jul 12th, 2025 at 4:53pm: This is what HAMAS and other Islamists are all about. They should be culled along with any who make excuses for them: https://gellerreport.com/2025/07/unimaginable-hamas-gang-rape-horror-revealed-in-shocking-new-report-terrorists-stripped-october-7-sex-attack-victims-tied-them-to-trees-and-mutilated-them-during-systematic-onslaught.html/?fbclid=IwY2xjawLe5JpleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHpjEFqUeHqK_6BVvFXqnFhdnaDPbK3xpXp7VU_XiPZwNNx0w3TPcDGfqn2k3_aem_5pSFWp0vT7TtmXb2ls-2LQ You are no better than the scumbag terrorists you condemn....Calling for the culling of any people is terrorism you fack wit....Your source is also questionable dickhead!!! https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/geller-report/ https://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/websites-post-fake-satirical-stories/ ::) ::) ::)

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The world is too over-populated.
Time to cull.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 17^th, 2025 at 2:13pm:

Genocide. That's the correct term to use when describing what Netanyahu is doing.

The people that Greg, Philperth, Sadroo and John Smith are protecting and advocating for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XayGlzx7jJo