https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/blast-rocks-church-syrias-damascus-witnesses-say-2025-06-22/


Twenty killed in suicide bombing at Damascus church


By Reuters
June 23, 2025      8:07 AM GMT+10    Updated  28 mins ago



Summary

Twenty killed in suicide bombing at church

First such bombing in Damascus since Assad's fall

Interior ministry says bomber member of Islamic State


June 22 (Reuters) -

At least 20 people were killed and dozens injured when a suicide bomber blew himself up at the Mar Elias Church in the Dweila neighborhood of Syria's capital Damascus on Sunday, health authorities and security sources said.
It was the first suicide bombing in Damascus since Bashar al-Assad was toppled by an Islamist-led rebel insurgency in December.

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Syria's interior ministry said the suicide bomber was a member of Islamic State. He entered the church, opened fire and then detonated his explosive vest, a ministry statement added.
A security source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said two men were involved in the attack, including the one who blew himself up.
Islamic State has been behind several attempted attacks on churches in Syria since Assad's fall, but this was the first to succeed, another security source told Reuters.
Syria's state news agency cited the health ministry as saying that 52 people were also injured in the blast.

Item 1 of 4 People and civil defence members inspect the damage after a blast rocked the Mar Elias Church according to witnesses, in the Dweila neighbourhood of Damascus, Syria June 22, 2025.

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A livestream from the site by Syria's civil defence, the White Helmets, showed scenes of destruction from inside the church, including a bloodied floor and shattered pews and masonry.
Syrian President Ahmed al-Sharaa, who led the offensive against Assad before taking over in January for a transitional phase, has repeatedly said he will protect minorities.
"We unequivocally condemn the abhorrent terrorist suicide bombing at the Mar Elias Greek Orthodox Church in Damascus, Syria," the Greek foreign ministry said in a statement.
"We demand that the Syrian transitional authorities take immediate action to hold those involved accountable and implement measures to guarantee the safety of Christian communities and all religious groups, allowing them to live without fear."
Islamic State had previously targeted religious minorities, including a major attack on Shiite pilgrims in Sayeda Zainab in 2016 — one of the most notorious bombings during Assad's rule.
The latest assault underscores the group's continued ability to exploit security gaps despite the collapse of its territorial control and years of counterterrorism efforts.

Muzzies can't stop killing innocent people:


https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/22/middleeast/church-attack-damascus-syria-intl-latam


Aleppo, Syria


CNN
—
At least 20 people have been killed and 52 more are injured after a “terrorist attack” on a Greek Orthodox church in the Syrian capital on Sunday, according to the country’s health ministry.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the attack, but Syria’s Ministry of Interior Affairs told CNN that it was carried out by a “suicide bomber affiliated with the terrorist organization ISIS.”

He opened fire on the congregation of Mar Elias Church in Damascus, before “detonating himself using an explosive vest,” the ministry said in a statement.

A mass was being held at the church at the time of the attack, according to Syria’s state news agency SANA.

A video circulating on Syrian social media from inside the church shows dead bodies, significant destruction, shattered glass and broken chairs in the area where mass was being held, with blood visible throughout the scene.

Syria’s civil defense, popularly known as the White Helmets, said emergency teams were working to transfer the bodies to hospitals and secure the area.

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/c-2025-06-22t171340z-1407412637-rc2s7fag22zn-rtrmadp-3-syria-security.jpg


https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/c-2025-06-22t170416z-1107544038-rc2s7faxvnot-rtrmadp-3-syria-security.jpg

Christians kill over 600 innocent Iranians in the American airstrikes against Iran.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 1:08pm:

Christians kill over 600 innocent Iranians in the American airstrikes against Iran.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

The Jews are Christians?     :-/

Bobby. wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 1:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2025 at 1:08pm: Christians kill over 600 innocent Iranians in the American airstrikes against Iran.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) The Jews are Christians?     :-/

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 1:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 23rd, 2025 at 1:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2025 at 1:08pm: Christians kill over 600 innocent Iranians in the American airstrikes against Iran.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) The Jews are Christians?     :-/ Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

It's the Jews who bombed Iran and killed 600 people.    Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 1:08pm:

Christians kill over 600 innocent Iranians in the American airstrikes against Iran.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

How do you know they were Christians Brian?
Did you give your blessing?

bobby,

NEVER MIND Syria !!!!



In ISLAMIC law, it is completely LAWFUL to kill those persons who reject the authority of, ISLAMIC law.

100% true !

And every devout moslem within Australia, knows this it true.   !!!!!


.


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


.


Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220


".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062



-------- >

Again......the 'modality' of ISLAM revealed......

ISLAMIC law makes it lawful to kill those who reject ISLAM [i.e. who reject ISLAM's authority over their lives].


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Yadda wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 2:55pm:

bobby, NEVER MIND Syria !!!! In ISLAMIC law, it is completely LAWFUL to kill those persons who reject the authority of, ISLAMIC law. 100% true ! And every devout moslem within Australia, knows this it true.   !!!!! "And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..." Koran 2.193

The halfwit that did the suicide bombing gave his life
to kill people he didn't even know because they liked reading a different old book.

That is the insanity we are dealing with from Muzzies.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 3:26pm:

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

It seems strange to me brian ross would start a thread with "Twilight Zone.Tsk tsk tsk then a couple of smiley faces.

Question, Should the Muslim Brian Ross be given a leave pass to continue his rants or should he be confined to the camel sheds for the supposed  euphoric effect of dromedary urine as ordained by Morehammerd.

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

kemal wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 4:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2025 at 3:26pm: Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) It seems strange to me brian ross would start a thread with "Twilight Zone.Tsk tsk tsk then a couple of smiley faces. Question, Should the Muslim Brian Ross be given a leave pass to continue his rants or should he be confined to the camel sheds for the supposed  euphoric effect of dromedary urine as ordained by Morehammerd.

Brian is an Islamic apologist.

The Chinese put Muslims in re-education camps for 2 years or more to deprogram them.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 4:37pm:

The Chinese put Muslims in re-education camps for 2 years or more to deprogram them.

You mean "reprogrammed", don't you, Bobby?  Reprogrammed to the CCP way of thinking.  Normally you'd complain about that way of thinking but it seems you like it in this case.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 4:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 23rd, 2025 at 4:37pm: The Chinese put Muslims in re-education camps for 2 years or more to deprogram them. You mean "reprogrammed", don't you, Bobby?  Reprogrammed to the CCP way of thinking.  Normally you'd complain about that way of thinking but it seems you like it in this case.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

It's to stop them yelling Allah Akbar every time a missile is fired at a non believer.    ::)

Brian and the Trolls wouldn't talk it up in a Pub like they do here.
They know they would get the butts kicked.
They would hide in the shadows.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2025 at 4:48pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 23rd, 2025 at 4:37pm: The Chinese put Muslims in re-education camps for 2 years or more to deprogram them. You mean "reprogrammed", don't you, Bobby?  Reprogrammed to the CCP way of thinking.  Normally you'd complain about that way of thinking but it seems you like it in this case.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) It's to stop them yelling Allah Akbar every time a missile is fired at a non believer.    ::)

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian why do you feel so compelled to respond if you have nothing to say?

freediver wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 6:35pm:

Brian why do you feel so compelled to respond if you have nothing to say?

He's just reinforcing that Islam lives in the Twilight Zone.

As usual, you have things arse about.  Most Muslims don't live in a Twilight Zone, most of the posters here do.  They ignore reality.  Most Muslims are not radical Islamists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

If you are so afraid of your own opinion, why not just avoid the topic?

Do you believe in Muhammad's flying carpet Brian?

freediver wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 6:53pm:

If you are so afraid of your own opinion, why not just avoid the topic? Do you believe in Muhammad's flying carpet Brian?

When you answer my questions, Freediver, I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 6:53pm:

If you are so afraid of your own opinion, why not just avoid the topic? Do you believe in Muhammad's flying carpet Brian?

It must be true:

https://www.tiktok.com/@veostudio/video/7518779021010685190

The Middle East is full of psycho killers:


I can't seem to face up to the facts
I'm tense and nervous, and I can't relax
I can't sleep 'cause my bed's on fire
Don't touch me, I'm a real live wire

[Chorus]
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
Fa-fa-fa-fa, fa-fa-fa-fa-fa, fa, better
Run, run, run, run, run, run, run away
Oh, oh

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/syrian-president-vows-those-involved-in-church-attack-will-face-justice/

Syrian president vows those involved in church attack will face justice


By AFP

Today, 3:34 pm


Syria's interim president Ahmed al-Sharaa receives Saudi Arabia's foreign minister in Damascus, Syria, on May 31, 2025. (SANA / AFP)

Syrian interim President Ahmed al-Sharaa vows that those involved in a suicide attack on a Damascus church yesterday will face justice, calling for unity after the “heinous” attack.

“We promise… that we will work night and day, mobilizing all our specialized security agencies, to capture all those who participated in and planned this heinous crime and to bring them to justice,” Sharaa says in a statement.

The attack “reminds us of the importance of solidarity and unity of the government and the people in facing all that threatens our nation’s security and stability,” he adds.

Quote:

A senior Syrian Arab Army commander, Abu Dujana al-Turkistani,threatening Christians: Either you submit,pay the jizya, or war, or else,by God,I have come to you with men who love death as you love life. Today’s suicidal bombing in a church has proven it https://x.com/AzatAlsalim/status/1936873892909285404

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 6:35pm:

Brian why do you feel so compelled to respond if you have nothing to say?

freediver,

That is a question......addressed to 'our' brian.

I have to assume.....that you do not expect a reasoned, cogent, reply to it.     :P


.


IMO, THIS IS PARTICULARLY APPROPRIATE STATEMENT TO MAKE,
ON AN OPEN PUBIC FORUM......

We shouldn't be frightened of those persons who ask questions,
we should be frightened, of those who want to stop [prohibit] the questions.
- Yadda



QUESTION;
If ISLAM is such a faultless, virtuous, philosophy.....
then why are its advocates, so opposed to the >> public << scrutiny of its modalities.

mode = = a way in which something occurs or is done.


John 3:20
.....every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.



Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1748423829/14#14

Quote:

ARGUMENT; HERE IN Australia.....Fatima Payman and her family   present themselves,   as good, devout moslems. QUESTION; Why did Fatima Payman and her family [who   >> PRESENT THEMSELVES <<   as 'good moslems'] need to flee Afghanistan [and Pakistan] ? Why were Fatima Payman and her family UNWILLING to   >> subject themselves <<   to    'the virtue'    of the authority of ISLAMIC law....in Afghanistan? i.e.. Both Afghanistan and Pakistan.......are nations where observance of the 'proper' strictures of ISLAMIC law is given high respect, within each of those nations. .....

.

QUESTION;
Why won't followers(1) of ISLAM.....allow    fellow    followers of ISLAM, to be followers of ISLAM,
without them(1) feeling a need to OPPRESS anyone who disagrees with THEIR(1) own particular interpretation of ISLAMIC law ??

AND...
Why do followers of ISLAM feel obliged to follow a religious philosophy.....
which must never be publicly and openly scrutinised......
....>> FOR THE REASON << THAT THEY ARE CERTAIN THAT >> THEIR RELIGION << IS TOO FAULTLESS,
TO BE OPENLY SCRUTINISED ?

YES.....
That, is an absurd proposition, and also a truthful one.

i.e.
Followers of ISLAM, will absolutely avoid scrutiny of the [many] 'questionable' modalities of their religion.

Again.......John 3:20, 21




....and the universe continues to exist.
[we, are self aware]

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 11:13pm:

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

I expect an intellectual reply not rubbish.

forgiven

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Jun 24^th, 2025 at 12:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2025 at 11:13pm: Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) I expect an intellectual reply not rubbish. forgiven namaste

Seems you're looking in a mirror again, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2025 at 12:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 12:07am: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2025 at 11:13pm: Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) I expect an intellectual reply not rubbish. forgiven namaste Seems you're looking in a mirror again, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/8528/trQvAo.jpg

Yadda wrote on Jun 24^th, 2025 at 12:04am:

freediver wrote on Jun 23rd, 2025 at 6:35pm: Brian why do you feel so compelled to respond if you have nothing to say? freediver, That is a question......addressed to 'our' brian. I have to assume.....that you do not expect a reasoned, cogent, reply to it.     :P . IMO, THIS IS PARTICULARLY APPROPRIATE STATEMENT TO MAKE, ON AN OPEN PUBIC FORUM...... We shouldn't be frightened of those persons who ask questions, we should be frightened, of those who want to stop [prohibit] the questions. - Yadda QUESTION; If ISLAM is such a faultless, virtuous, philosophy..... then why are its advocates, so opposed to the >> public << scrutiny of its modalities. mode = = a way in which something occurs or is done. John 3:20 .....every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Yadda said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1748423829/14#14 Quote: ARGUMENT; HERE IN Australia.....Fatima Payman and her family   present themselves,   as good, devout moslems. QUESTION; Why did Fatima Payman and her family [who   >> PRESENT THEMSELVES <<   as 'good moslems'] need to flee Afghanistan [and Pakistan] ? Why were Fatima Payman and her family UNWILLING to   >> subject themselves <<   to    'the virtue'    of the authority of ISLAMIC law....in Afghanistan? i.e.. Both Afghanistan and Pakistan.......are nations where observance of the 'proper' strictures of ISLAMIC law is given high respect, within each of those nations. ..... . QUESTION; Why won't followers(1) of ISLAM.....allow    fellow    followers of ISLAM, to be followers of ISLAM, without them(1) feeling a need to OPPRESS anyone who disagrees with THEIR(1) own particular interpretation of ISLAMIC law ?? AND... Why do followers of ISLAM feel obliged to follow a religious philosophy..... which must never be publicly and openly scrutinised...... ....>> FOR THE REASON << THAT THEY ARE CERTAIN THAT >> THEIR RELIGION << IS TOO FAULTLESS, TO BE OPENLY SCRUTINISED ? YES..... That, is an absurd proposition, and also a truthful one. i.e. Followers of ISLAM, will absolutely avoid scrutiny of the [many] 'questionable' modalities of their religion. Again.......John 3:20, 21 ....and the universe continues to exist. [we, are self aware]

Dear Yadda,
could you please make your posts short and punchy?
I doubt anyone reads them as they are too long.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 6:49pm:

As usual, you have things arse about.  Most Muslims don't live in a Twilight Zone, most of the posters here do.  They ignore reality.  Most Muslims are not radical Islamists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Relevance?
Zero.

You don't need to be an Islamist - a meaningless distinction anyway.   Islam  is incompatible with secular democracy and enlightened modernity

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Jun 24^th, 2025 at 2:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2025 at 6:49pm: As usual, you have things arse about.  Most Muslims don't live in a Twilight Zone, most of the posters here do.  They ignore reality.  Most Muslims are not radical Islamists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Relevance? Zero. You don't need to be an Islamist - a meaningless distinction anyway.   Islam  is incompatible with secular democracy and enlightened modernity

Brian doesn't know.   ::)

Bobby. wrote on Jun 26^th, 2025 at 6:45pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 2:15pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2025 at 6:49pm: As usual, you have things arse about.  Most Muslims don't live in a Twilight Zone, most of the posters here do.  They ignore reality.  Most Muslims are not radical Islamists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Relevance? Zero. You don't need to be an Islamist - a meaningless distinction anyway.   Islam  is incompatible with secular democracy and enlightened modernity Brian doesn't know.   ::)

Twilight Zone. I have known far more Muslims than you ever have, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2025 at 8:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 6:45pm: Frank wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 2:15pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2025 at 6:49pm: As usual, you have things arse about.  Most Muslims don't live in a Twilight Zone, most of the posters here do.  They ignore reality.  Most Muslims are not radical Islamists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Relevance? Zero. You don't need to be an Islamist - a meaningless distinction anyway.   Islam  is incompatible with secular democracy and enlightened modernity Brian doesn't know.   ::) I have known far more Muslims than you ever have, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Relevance to the meaning and aims of Islam?

Zero.

Will Bbwiyawn bang on irrelevantly?
Absolutely.
That's his only purpose.

Tut tut, roll ze rheumatic eyes, roll ze rheumatic eyes.

Brian is another Lefty wanker ;D

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2025 at 8:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 6:45pm: Frank wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 2:15pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2025 at 6:49pm: As usual, you have things arse about.  Most Muslims don't live in a Twilight Zone, most of the posters here do.  They ignore reality.  Most Muslims are not radical Islamists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Relevance? Zero. You don't need to be an Islamist - a meaningless distinction anyway.   Islam  is incompatible with secular democracy and enlightened modernity Brian doesn't know.   ::) Twilight Zone. I have known far more Muslims than you ever have, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Dear Brian,
many blessings.
If you lived in Israel I doubt you'd have so much sympathy for Muslims -
they'd cut your head off as fast as they would any Jew.

namaste

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 2:06pm:

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

They like cutting heads off - for them it's a sport.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 2:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 2:06pm: Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) They like cutting heads off - for them it's a sport.

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 2:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 2:28pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 2:06pm: Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) They like cutting heads off - for them it's a sport. Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian - if you lived in Israel you wouldn't scared of the Jews -
you'd be scared of Muzzies.

If you lived in a Muslim country you'd be scared of Muzzies.
If they found out you were an infidel they might kill you.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Brian - if you lived in Israel you wouldn't scared of the Jews - you'd be scared of Muzzies. If you lived in a Muslim country you'd be scared of Muzzies. If they found out you were an infidel they might kill you.

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 3:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 3:11pm: Brian - if you lived in Israel you wouldn't scared of the Jews - you'd be scared of Muzzies. If you lived in a Muslim country you'd be scared of Muzzies. If they found out you were an infidel they might kill you. Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Mate - unless you got down on your prayer mat 5 times a day
and yelled out Allah Akbar they'd kill you.

They have no patience for infidels.    ::)

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 4:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 3:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 3:11pm: Brian - if you lived in Israel you wouldn't scared of the Jews - you'd be scared of Muzzies. If you lived in a Muslim country you'd be scared of Muzzies. If they found out you were an infidel they might kill you. Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Mate - unless you got down on your prayer mat 5 times a day and yelled out Allah Akbar they'd kill you. They have no patience for infidels.    ::)

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 4:52pm:

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

A question......addressed to 'our' brian....

brain,

Did you ever learn how to respond to another persons post on an open, public forum,
with a reasoned, and cogent, reply ?


brian,

Most rational people find being   >> presented with truth <<   intellectually stimulating,
and such persons are open, to examining arguments which are presented with evidences.


A response, to a debate on an open public forum....
which is unrelated to the debate, on the forum......
but rather, is about some weird TV program that you watched last night,
is disappointing.

And....i didn't need to complete a university education to know this.


.


brian said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1627342166/11#11

Quote:

Yadda you earn the title of Islamophobia because all you post is all about your fear of Islam and Muslims.

brian,

What is NOT to fear, about ISLAM, and the followers of ISLAM ?


brian,

I challenge you to explore    the most likely reasons,    for yourself
as to why  >> any reasonable person <<  may fear.....
ISLAM, and the followers of ISLAM.

-------- >

LINKS.......
https://www.jihadwatch.org/      JIHADWATCH FRONT PAGE


https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/jihadist-intimidation-and-thuggery

https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/sharia

https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/jihad-doctrine


PLUS.......
TheReligionofPeace
[lots of updated information on ISLAMIC violence worldwide, against 'disbelievers']
https://thereligionofpeace.com/

Graphic | Hard to Watch

Hamas militias—Sham Unit—released a horrifying video showing the brutal torture of a Gazan man, accused of “collaboration with the Palestinian Authority.” They broke his limbs one by one.

In the background, the torture of another person can be heard. The camera briefly shows another man—blindfolded, tied, and on his knees—waiting his turn.

The brutality on display is unspeakable. The silence from so-called human rights activists and organizations is deafening.

I’m at a loss for words.

https://x.com/IhabHassane/status/1937543879097467370

I won't watch that Frank,
they are all bloodthirsty monsters in the Middle East - on all sides.
Sometimes I think that Western countries should stop sending weapons to them -
they are all armed to the teeth -
let them fight it out with sticks and stones.

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

kemal wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 2:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2025 at 1:08pm: Christians kill over 600 innocent Iranians in the American airstrikes against Iran.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) How do you know they were Christians Brian?

How do you know these guys were muslims?  :D :D

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 8:07pm:

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

dear Brian,
a higher standard of intellectual reply is expected from you. 

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 8:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:07pm: Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) dear Brian, a higher standard of intellectual reply is expected from you.

Dear Bobby,
a higher standard of intellectual reply is expected from you, now how often were rifles issued to Australian soldiers in WWII?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 8:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:07pm: Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) dear Brian, a higher standard of intellectual reply is expected from you.  Dear Bobby, a higher standard of intellectual reply is expected from you, now how often were rifles issued to Australian soldiers in WWII?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Off topic,

forgiven

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 8:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:37pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:07pm: Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) dear Brian, a higher standard of intellectual reply is expected from you.  Dear Bobby, a higher standard of intellectual reply is expected from you, now how often were rifles issued to Australian soldiers in WWII?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Off topic, forgiven namaste

A higher standard of intellectual reply is expected from you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 6:34pm:

Graphic | Hard to Watch Hamas militias—Sham Unit—released a horrifying video showing the brutal torture of a Gazan man, accused of “collaboration with the Palestinian Authority.” They broke his limbs one by one. In the background, the torture of another person can be heard. The camera briefly shows another man—blindfolded, tied, and on his knees—waiting his turn. The brutality on display is unspeakable. The silence from so-called human rights activists and organizations is deafening. I’m at a loss for words. https://x.com/IhabHassane/status/1937543879097467370

That's what Iran will do to the Mossad spies.

The IDF is just as bad shoving broomsticks up prisoners arse :(

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 8:42pm:

A higher standard of intellectual reply is expected from you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian,
this is for you:


https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/bf/e9/1d/bfe91d7daf14e1b6e1bf242d0c6ba7a8.jpg

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 8:46pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 6:34pm: Graphic | Hard to Watch Hamas militias—Sham Unit—released a horrifying video showing the brutal torture of a Gazan man, accused of “collaboration with the Palestinian Authority.” They broke his limbs one by one. In the background, the torture of another person can be heard. The camera briefly shows another man—blindfolded, tied, and on his knees—waiting his turn. The brutality on display is unspeakable. The silence from so-called human rights activists and organizations is deafening. I’m at a loss for words. https://x.com/IhabHassane/status/1937543879097467370 That's what Iran will do to the Mossad spies. The IDF is just as bad shoving broomsticks up prisoners arse :(

You are a pro terrorist

Jasin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 9:01pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:46pm: Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 6:34pm: Graphic | Hard to Watch Hamas militias—Sham Unit—released a horrifying video showing the brutal torture of a Gazan man, accused of “collaboration with the Palestinian Authority.” They broke his limbs one by one. In the background, the torture of another person can be heard. The camera briefly shows another man—blindfolded, tied, and on his knees—waiting his turn. The brutality on display is unspeakable. The silence from so-called human rights activists and organizations is deafening. I’m at a loss for words. https://x.com/IhabHassane/status/1937543879097467370 That's what Iran will do to the Mossad spies. The IDF is just as bad shoving broomsticks up prisoners arse :( You are a pro terrorist

They are just following what's in their old book ;)

And you're following right behind them

Jasin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 9:14pm:

And you're following right behind them

Sir brave Nail has no time for religious murderers.

Muslims:


https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/45/80/d3/4580d300ce8dae2bb984b733c128056e.jpeg

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Quote:

This is what Muhammad, a Syrian Islamist living in Germany, had to say about the church bombing in Syria: “Christian victims should never be called martyrs, they are infidels. According to our religion, we are not allowed to mourn infidels. Christians who survived the bombing should convert to Islam, the church should be turned into a mosque, and its cross destroyed.” https://x.com/realMaalouf/status/1938274833185255633

Twilight Zone.  An Islamist does not represent the majority of Muslims.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 12:59am:

Twilight Zone.  An Islamist does not represent the majority of Muslims.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

What is an Islamist is that a fancy way of saying a fundamental muslim?

Does it have anything to do with Islam?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 1:04am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 12:59am: Twilight Zone.  An Islamist does not represent the majority of Muslims.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) What is an Islamist is that a fancy way of saying a fundamental muslim? Does it have anything to do with Islam?

Do Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, James Dobson represent many Christians, Baron? 

Do fundamentalist Christians have anything to with Christianity?

Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian,
stop being a Muslim apologist -
their ideas are inconsistent with a secular democracy -
they want an Islamic theocracy.

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Greggy,
stop being a Muslim apologist -
their ideas are inconsistent with a secular democracy -
they want an Islamic theocracy.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 1:03pm:

Greggy, stop being a Muslim apologist - their ideas are inconsistent with a secular democracy - they want an Islamic theocracy.

Bobby,
Stop being a terrorist apologist -

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 1:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 1:03pm: Greggy, stop being a Muslim apologist - their ideas are inconsistent with a secular democracy - they want an Islamic theocracy. Bobby, Stop being a terrorist apologist -

You idiot - this thread is about Muslim terrorists.


Apologist.     ::)

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 1:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 1:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 1:03pm: Greggy, stop being a Muslim apologist - their ideas are inconsistent with a secular democracy - they want an Islamic theocracy. Bobby, Stop being a terrorist apologist - You idiot - this thread is about Muslim terrorists. Apologist.     ::)

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 1:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 1:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 1:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 1:03pm: Greggy, stop being a Muslim apologist - their ideas are inconsistent with a secular democracy - they want an Islamic theocracy. Bobby, Stop being a terrorist apologist - You idiot - this thread is about Muslim terrorists. Apologist.     ::) Christian Murders 51 Muslims

Stop changing the title of the thread.
You're off topic. ::)

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 12:32pm:

Brian, stop being a Muslim apologist - their ideas are inconsistent with a secular democracy - they want an Islamic theocracy.

Some do, most don't.  Stop being a Christian apologist, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 2:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 12:32pm: Brian, stop being a Muslim apologist - their ideas are inconsistent with a secular democracy - they want an Islamic theocracy. Some do, most don't.  Stop being a Christian apologist, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...

I predict Sharia law will soon be in Western Sydney.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 2:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 12:32pm: Brian, stop being a Muslim apologist - their ideas are inconsistent with a secular democracy - they want an Islamic theocracy. Some do, most don't.

How do you know that Brian?

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 3:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 2:18pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 12:32pm: Brian, stop being a Muslim apologist - their ideas are inconsistent with a secular democracy - they want an Islamic theocracy. Some do, most don't.  How do you know that Brian?

From conversations, Freediver. What makes you suspicious that the majority seek a Theocracy?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 3:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 3:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 2:18pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 12:32pm: Brian, stop being a Muslim apologist - their ideas are inconsistent with a secular democracy - they want an Islamic theocracy. Some do, most don't.  How do you know that Brian? From conversations, Freediver. What makes you suspicious that the majority seek a Theocracy?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You've had "conversations" with most Muslims?

How would you even find out whether a Muslim you are having a conversation with has views that are inconsistent with secular democracy? I have never come across a person more afraid than you to have a difficult conversation.

The thing is, Islam is not merely a religion. Christianity has a strong influence on western philosophy and values but it is not entwined in the very fabric of society and tolerates other faiths and even atheism and agnosticism. 

Islam on the other hand is an entire philosophical, cultural, economic and political system as well as a religion. It influences its adherents in ways that Christianity does not and is intolerant of all other beliefs, encouraging violent persecution of any who do not adhere to its tenets.  It is uncompromising and utterly incompatible with modern western society as the problems in the Middle East, in Europe and Asia and increasingly in Australia have shown.

.

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 4:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 3:32pm: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 3:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 2:18pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 12:32pm: Brian, stop being a Muslim apologist - their ideas are inconsistent with a secular democracy - they want an Islamic theocracy. Some do, most don't.  How do you know that Brian? From conversations, Freediver. What makes you suspicious that the majority seek a Theocracy?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) You've had "conversations" with most Muslims?

Most Muslims I have had conversations with, Freediver, have expressed that secular democracy is a fine system to live under.  Indeed, most voters that I have engaged with seem to feel there is something wrong with secular democracy.  Should we be deporting them?


Quote:

How would you even find out whether a Muslim you are having a conversation with has views that are inconsistent with secular democracy? I have never come across a person more afraid than you to have a difficult conversation.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Freediver, having a conversation with you is, I would class as difficult.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Belgarion wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 4:42pm:

The thing is, Islam is not merely a religion. Christianity has a strong influence on western philosophy and values but it is not entwined in the very fabric of society and tolerates other faiths and even atheism and agnosticism.  Islam on the other hand is an entire philosophical, cultural, economic and political system as well as a religion. It influences its adherents in ways that Christianity does not and is intolerant of all other beliefs, encouraging violent persecution of any who do not adhere to its tenets.  It is uncompromising and utterly incompatible with modern western society as the problems in the Middle East, in Europe and Asia and increasingly in Australia have shown.

How many Muslims have you known, Belgarion?  How many Muslims have you spoken to about their political and religious views?  I suspect relative few if any.  Muslims come from many different societies and cultures, some primitive, some sophisticated, they all have varied views and ideas.  I would suggest your views on what Islam is and what Islam means are based on unsophisticated understanding based on what you've primarily read/seen in the media.  Do you think that is really adequate to make a judgement?  I have served with, studied with, worked with, many Muslims drawn from a varied and wide range of societies and cultures.  Some have held beliefs that you've described but that is not necessarily how those from more advanced societies think.  It's like a Christian from the backwoods of Appalachia describing how the modern Anglican church operates and believes in Christianity.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 2:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 2:18pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 12:32pm: Brian, stop being a Muslim apologist - their ideas are inconsistent with a secular democracy - they want an Islamic theocracy. Some do, most don't.  Stop being a Christian apologist, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... I predict Sharia law will soon be in Western Sydney.

bobby,

That, is a very naive statement.



bobby,

I believe that ISLAMIC law [Sharia law] already has a significant influence [within ALL devout moslem communities].....
ALL OVER AUSTRALIA.

[e.g.  State authorities are aware that many underage girls [residents within Australia],
are being 'lawfully' married to moslem men,
within Australian moslem communities,
under the 'auspices' of ISLAMIC law.
And, it would be naive for Australians to imagine that......all other areas of Australian Law,
are being happily complied with,
by those who refer to themselves, as followers of ISLAM.]




FURTHER....
OUR EXPERIENCE, TEACHES US THAT.....
Followers of ISLAM, in conversation with 'disbelievers',
only ever tell the 'disbelievers',
that which the moslem.....wants the 'disbelievers' to believe.


And this behaviour [intentional deceit] is considered to COMPLETELY 'LAWFUL', by followers of ISLAM.

That is the perverse and sick psyche.......which we Australians and the Australian legal system,
are being compelled to deal with [....i.e. because of the presence of the followers of ISLAM, in Australia].


Snaky, deceitful people.



Quote:

Taqiyya “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Well said Yadda,
it's good to see you standing up for what is right and true -
you are a brave knight.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 5:02pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 4:42pm: The thing is, Islam is not merely a religion. Christianity has a strong influence on western philosophy and values but it is not entwined in the very fabric of society and tolerates other faiths and even atheism and agnosticism.  Islam on the other hand is an entire philosophical, cultural, economic and political system as well as a religion. It influences its adherents in ways that Christianity does not and is intolerant of all other beliefs, encouraging violent persecution of any who do not adhere to its tenets.  It is uncompromising and utterly incompatible with modern western society as the problems in the Middle East, in Europe and Asia and increasingly in Australia have shown. How many Muslims have you known, Belgarion?  How many Muslims have you spoken to about their political and religious views?  I suspect relative few if any.  Muslims come from many different societies and cultures, some primitive, some sophisticated, they all have varied views and ideas.  I would suggest your views on what Islam is and what Islam means are based on unsophisticated understanding based on what you've primarily read/seen in the media.  Do you think that is really adequate to make a judgement?  I have served with, studied with, worked with, many Muslims drawn from a varied and wide range of societies and cultures.  Some have held beliefs that you've described but that is not necessarily how those from more advanced societies think.  It's like a Christian from the backwoods of Appalachia describing how the modern Anglican church operates and believes in Christianity.

And just where is the average Australian supposed to find these mussos to discuss religion considering mussos do not assimilate into our secular society?  So the average Aussie is not going to find them anywhere the average Aussie hangs out ... at the beach, the pub, bbqs etc

Oh wait!  The beach!  Now that didn't work out too well did it!  Lebs accosting Aussie females walking down to the beach .... have you tasted Leb honey?  Ugh ... sick.   [smiley=angry.gif]

And you think these females should have stopped and had a nice chat about religion?  Right?

Or maybe you could hang out around the Lakemba mosque and accost mussos leaving.  I'm sure they'd love to stop and have a discussion in the street about their religion.   

You're an idiot.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 5:02pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 4:42pm: The thing is, Islam is not merely a religion. Christianity has a strong influence on western philosophy and values but it is not entwined in the very fabric of society and tolerates other faiths and even atheism and agnosticism.  Islam on the other hand is an entire philosophical, cultural, economic and political system as well as a religion. It influences its adherents in ways that Christianity does not and is intolerant of all other beliefs, encouraging violent persecution of any who do not adhere to its tenets.  It is uncompromising and utterly incompatible with modern western society as the problems in the Middle East, in Europe and Asia and increasingly in Australia have shown. How many Muslims have you known, Belgarion?  How many Muslims have you spoken to about their political and religious views?  I suspect relative few if any.

A total non- argument.

How many Christians, Jews, Hindus, apostates have you spoken to who have been harrased, persecuted, killed by Muslims?

What do you make of the accounts of people who HAVE spoken to to such victims or Muslims, or were themselves persecuted? There are endless documented, verified accounts of such persecutions. In what way do your Muslims outweigh them?

Do the Muslims you have spoken set the direction of Islam? What do they say to you and what do they say to each other? Would you ever know the difference? How?

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 11:16am:

Christian Murders 51 Muslims

Have you spoken to him, dank wanker? Has Bbwiyawn?

Frank wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 11:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:16am: Christian Murders 51 Muslims Have you spoken to him...?

Why would I want to speak to a terrorist?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 11:31am:

Frank wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:16am: Christian Murders 51 Muslims Have you spoken to him...? Why would I want to speak to a terrorist?

Quote:

How many Muslims have you known, Belgarion?  How many Muslims have you spoken to about their political and religious views?  I suspect relative few if any.  Muslims come from many different societies and cultures, some primitive, some sophisticated, they all have varied views and ideas.  I would suggest your views on what Islam is and what Islam means are based on unsophisticated understanding based on what you've primarily read/seen in the media.  Do you think that is really adequate to make a judgement?  I have served with, studied with, worked with, many Muslims drawn from a varied and wide range of societies and cultures.  Some have held beliefs that you've described but that is not necessarily how those from more advanced societies think.  It's like a Christian from the backwoods of Appalachia describing how the modern Anglican church operates and believes in Christianity.

Aquarius wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 9:22am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 5:02pm: Belgarion wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 4:42pm: The thing is, Islam is not merely a religion. Christianity has a strong influence on western philosophy and values but it is not entwined in the very fabric of society and tolerates other faiths and even atheism and agnosticism.  Islam on the other hand is an entire philosophical, cultural, economic and political system as well as a religion. It influences its adherents in ways that Christianity does not and is intolerant of all other beliefs, encouraging violent persecution of any who do not adhere to its tenets.  It is uncompromising and utterly incompatible with modern western society as the problems in the Middle East, in Europe and Asia and increasingly in Australia have shown. How many Muslims have you known, Belgarion?  How many Muslims have you spoken to about their political and religious views?  I suspect relative few if any.  Muslims come from many different societies and cultures, some primitive, some sophisticated, they all have varied views and ideas.  I would suggest your views on what Islam is and what Islam means are based on unsophisticated understanding based on what you've primarily read/seen in the media.  Do you think that is really adequate to make a judgement?  I have served with, studied with, worked with, many Muslims drawn from a varied and wide range of societies and cultures.  Some have held beliefs that you've described but that is not necessarily how those from more advanced societies think.  It's like a Christian from the backwoods of Appalachia describing how the modern Anglican church operates and believes in Christianity. And just where is the average Australian supposed to find these mussos to discuss religion considering mussos do not assimilate into our secular society?  So the average Aussie is not going to find them anywhere the average Aussie hangs out ... at the beach, the pub, bbqs etc Oh wait!  The beach!  Now that didn't work out too well did it!  Lebs accosting Aussie females walking down to the beach .... have you tasted Leb honey?  Ugh ... sick.   [smiley=angry.gif] And you think these females should have stopped and had a nice chat about religion?  Right? Or maybe you could hang out around the Lakemba mosque and accost mussos leaving.  I'm sure they'd love to stop and have a discussion in the street about their religion.    You're an idiot.

hear hear dame Aquarius -

Brian is not the full quid.

Frank wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 11:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:31am: Frank wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:16am: Christian Murders 51 Muslims Have you spoken to him...? Why would I want to speak to a terrorist? Quote: How many Muslims have you known, Belgarion?  How many Muslims have you spoken to about their political and religious views?  I suspect relative few if any.  Muslims come from many different societies and cultures, some primitive, some sophisticated, they all have varied views and ideas.  I would suggest your views on what Islam is and what Islam means are based on unsophisticated understanding based on what you've primarily read/seen in the media.  Do you think that is really adequate to make a judgement?  I have served with, studied with, worked with, many Muslims drawn from a varied and wide range of societies and cultures.  Some have held beliefs that you've described but that is not necessarily how those from more advanced societies think.  It's like a Christian from the backwoods of Appalachia describing how the modern Anglican church operates and believes in Christianity.

I've spoken to many white, Australian Christians.

Hundreds, maybe even thousands.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 11:33am:

Aquarius wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 9:22am: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 5:02pm: Belgarion wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 4:42pm: The thing is, Islam is not merely a religion. Christianity has a strong influence on western philosophy and values but it is not entwined in the very fabric of society and tolerates other faiths and even atheism and agnosticism.  Islam on the other hand is an entire philosophical, cultural, economic and political system as well as a religion. It influences its adherents in ways that Christianity does not and is intolerant of all other beliefs, encouraging violent persecution of any who do not adhere to its tenets.  It is uncompromising and utterly incompatible with modern western society as the problems in the Middle East, in Europe and Asia and increasingly in Australia have shown. How many Muslims have you known, Belgarion?  How many Muslims have you spoken to about their political and religious views?  I suspect relative few if any.  Muslims come from many different societies and cultures, some primitive, some sophisticated, they all have varied views and ideas.  I would suggest your views on what Islam is and what Islam means are based on unsophisticated understanding based on what you've primarily read/seen in the media.  Do you think that is really adequate to make a judgement?  I have served with, studied with, worked with, many Muslims drawn from a varied and wide range of societies and cultures.  Some have held beliefs that you've described but that is not necessarily how those from more advanced societies think.  It's like a Christian from the backwoods of Appalachia describing how the modern Anglican church operates and believes in Christianity. And just where is the average Australian supposed to find these mussos to discuss religion considering mussos do not assimilate into our secular society?  So the average Aussie is not going to find them anywhere the average Aussie hangs out ... at the beach, the pub, bbqs etc Oh wait!  The beach!  Now that didn't work out too well did it!  Lebs accosting Aussie females walking down to the beach .... have you tasted Leb honey?  Ugh ... sick.   [smiley=angry.gif] And you think these females should have stopped and had a nice chat about religion?  Right? Or maybe you could hang out around the Lakemba mosque and accost mussos leaving.  I'm sure they'd love to stop and have a discussion in the street about their religion.    You're an idiot. hear hear dame Aquarius - Brian is not the full quid.

True, true.

Not even two bob. Not even tuppence.

Brian "ha'penny" Ross.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 11:36am:

Frank wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:33am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:31am: Frank wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:16am: Christian Murders 51 Muslims Have you spoken to him...? Why would I want to speak to a terrorist? Quote: How many Muslims have you known, Belgarion?  How many Muslims have you spoken to about their political and religious views?  I suspect relative few if any.  Muslims come from many different societies and cultures, some primitive, some sophisticated, they all have varied views and ideas.  I would suggest your views on what Islam is and what Islam means are based on unsophisticated understanding based on what you've primarily read/seen in the media.  Do you think that is really adequate to make a judgement?  I have served with, studied with, worked with, many Muslims drawn from a varied and wide range of societies and cultures.  Some have held beliefs that you've described but that is not necessarily how those from more advanced societies think.  It's like a Christian from the backwoods of Appalachia describing how the modern Anglican church operates and believes in Christianity. I've spoken to many white, Australian Christians. Hundreds, maybe even thousands.

You?

Palestinian Christians are not welcome in the Middle East either:



Israeli Settlers Set Christian Town ON FIRE In The West Bank!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JYRAzFPGfY

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2025 at 5:02pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 4:42pm: The thing is, Islam is not merely a religion. Christianity has a strong influence on western philosophy and values but it is not entwined in the very fabric of society and tolerates other faiths and even atheism and agnosticism.  Islam on the other hand is an entire philosophical, cultural, economic and political system as well as a religion. It influences its adherents in ways that Christianity does not and is intolerant of all other beliefs, encouraging violent persecution of any who do not adhere to its tenets.  It is uncompromising and utterly incompatible with modern western society as the problems in the Middle East, in Europe and Asia and increasingly in Australia have shown. How many Muslims have you known, Belgarion?  How many Muslims have you spoken to about their political and religious views?  I suspect relative few if any.  Muslims come from many different societies and cultures, some primitive, some sophisticated, they all have varied views and ideas.  I would suggest your views on what Islam is and what Islam means are based on unsophisticated understanding based on what you've primarily read/seen in the media.  Do you think that is really adequate to make a judgement?  I have served with, studied with, worked with, many Muslims drawn from a varied and wide range of societies and cultures.  Some have held beliefs that you've described but that is not necessarily how those from more advanced societies think.  It's like a Christian from the backwoods of Appalachia describing how the modern Anglican church operates and believes in Christianity.

I have known several, even had them as guests in my home, along with Jews, Christians, Buddhists, atheists and agnostics.   The fact that some Muslims are decent and reasonable people does not change the basic tenets of Islam, whose proponents world wide are becoming more outspoken and increasingly violent.

Aquarius wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 9:22am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 5:02pm: And just where is the average Australian supposed to find these mussos to discuss religion considering mussos do not assimilate into our secular society?  So the average Aussie is not going to find them anywhere the average Aussie hangs out ... at the beach, the pub, bbqs etc You can meet Muslims anywhere in Australia, Aquarius.  I have served with, studied with, worked with numerous different Muslims.  Perhaps your problem is you are blind and don't notice their presence because how do you tell if a person is a Muslim or not?  Do they have crescent moons tattooed on their foreheads or something?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Quote: Oh wait!  The beach!  Now that didn't work out too well did it!  Lebs accosting Aussie females walking down to the beach .... have you tasted Leb honey?  Ugh ... sick.   [smiley=angry.gif] A strange Sydnyside response.  Go somewhere else and Muslims will be civilised and calm.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) [quote] And you think these females should have stopped and had a nice chat about religion?  Right? Or maybe you could hang out around the Lakemba mosque and accost mussos leaving.  I'm sure they'd love to stop and have a discussion in the street about their religion.    You're an idiot.

You are an Islamophobe who does not know any Muslims.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 11:04am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 5:02pm: Belgarion wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 4:42pm: The thing is, Islam is not merely a religion. Christianity has a strong influence on western philosophy and values but it is not entwined in the very fabric of society and tolerates other faiths and even atheism and agnosticism.  Islam on the other hand is an entire philosophical, cultural, economic and political system as well as a religion. It influences its adherents in ways that Christianity does not and is intolerant of all other beliefs, encouraging violent persecution of any who do not adhere to its tenets.  It is uncompromising and utterly incompatible with modern western society as the problems in the Middle East, in Europe and Asia and increasingly in Australia have shown. How many Muslims have you known, Belgarion?  How many Muslims have you spoken to about their political and religious views?  I suspect relative few if any.  A total non- argument. How many Christians, Jews, Hindus, apostates have you spoken to who have been harrased, persecuted, killed by Muslims? What do you make of the accounts of people who HAVE spoken to to such victims or Muslims, or were themselves persecuted? There are endless documented, verified accounts of such persecutions. In what way do your Muslims outweigh them? Do the Muslims you have spoken set the direction of Islam? What do they say to you and what do they say to each other? Would you ever know the difference? How?

You are an Islamophobe who has never spoken to a Muslim or a victim of Islamist violence, Soren.  You know nothing.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 11:33am:

hear hear dame Aquarius - Brian is not the full quid.

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 11:37am:

True, true. Not even two bob. Not even tuppence. Brian "ha'penny" Ross.

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Belgarion wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 11:45am:

I have known several, even had them as guests in my home, along with Jews, Christians, Buddhists, atheists and agnostics.   The fact that some Muslims are decent and reasonable people does not change the basic tenets of Islam, whose proponents world wide are becoming more outspoken and increasingly violent.

Good.  You seem to think that Muslims are unthinking robots who must obey unswervingly the teachings of their religion.  Why don't you think the same of Christians/Buddhists/Jews?  All have some reprehensible teachings in their holy books.  All prescribe violence and hatred for non-believers/Gays/etc.  All have rules against abortions, etc.  Why are they excepted from your wrath?  Seems your being Islamophobic based on your narrow understand what it is to be Muslim.  Yes, there are some bad Islamists who take their beliefs to extremes but they are outnumbered by moderates who get on quite well with other religions and beliefs.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 1:45pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:04am: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 5:02pm: Belgarion wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 4:42pm: The thing is, Islam is not merely a religion. Christianity has a strong influence on western philosophy and values but it is not entwined in the very fabric of society and tolerates other faiths and even atheism and agnosticism.  Islam on the other hand is an entire philosophical, cultural, economic and political system as well as a religion. It influences its adherents in ways that Christianity does not and is intolerant of all other beliefs, encouraging violent persecution of any who do not adhere to its tenets.  It is uncompromising and utterly incompatible with modern western society as the problems in the Middle East, in Europe and Asia and increasingly in Australia have shown. How many Muslims have you known, Belgarion?  How many Muslims have you spoken to about their political and religious views?  I suspect relative few if any.  A total non- argument. How many Christians, Jews, Hindus, apostates have you spoken to who have been harrased, persecuted, killed by Muslims? What do you make of the accounts of people who HAVE spoken to to such victims or Muslims, or were themselves persecuted? There are endless documented, verified accounts of such persecutions. In what way do your Muslims outweigh them? Do the Muslims you have spoken set the direction of Islam? What do they say to you and what do they say to each other? Would you ever know the difference? How? You are an Islamophobe who has never spoken to a Muslim or a victim of Islamist violence, Soren.  You know nothing.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Repeating cowardly lies and idiocies while rolling your eyes and tut-tutting is not an answer to genuine, pertinent questions, Bbwiyawn.

You are totally self-centred in your vanity and so magine that your moronic mantra of "I have worked, studied, served with Muslims" outweighs history and the mass of documented - not like your hearsay inanity - past and present Islamically motivated outrages, barbarities and hostilities. But it outweighs it only in your addled 'mind'. Keep repeating it, you have nothing else in that empty head of yours.



Nevertheless, these are pertinent questions even if you keep running from like the cowardly, ignorant troll you are:

How many Christians, Jews, Hindus, apostates have you spoken to who have been harrased, persecuted, killed by Muslims?

What do you make of the accounts of people who HAVE spoken to to such victims or Muslims, or were themselves persecuted? There are endless documented, verified accounts of such persecutions. In what way do your Muslims outweigh them?

Do the Muslims you have spoken set the direction of Islam? What do they say to you and what do they say to each other? Would you ever know the difference? How?

You can't answer simple questions so you shout Islamophobe, white your nappy and roll your eyes. Pathetic but it is exactly the outer limit of what you are capable of.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 9:14am:

Muzzies can't stop killing innocent people: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/22/middleeast/church-attack-damascus-syria-intl-latam Aleppo, Syria CNN — At least 20 people have been killed and 52 more are injured after a “terrorist attack” on a Greek Orthodox church in the Syrian capital on Sunday, according to the country’s health ministry. There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the attack, but Syria’s Ministry of Interior Affairs told CNN that it was carried out by a “suicide bomber affiliated with the terrorist organization ISIS.” He opened fire on the congregation of Mar Elias Church in Damascus, before “detonating himself using an explosive vest,” the ministry said in a statement. A mass was being held at the church at the time of the attack, according to Syria’s state news agency SANA. A video circulating on Syrian social media from inside the church shows dead bodies, significant destruction, shattered glass and broken chairs in the area where mass was being held, with blood visible throughout the scene. Syria’s civil defense, popularly known as the White Helmets, said emergency teams were working to transfer the bodies to hospitals and secure the area. https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/c-2025-06-22t171340z-1407412637-rc2s7fag22zn-rtrmadp-3-syria-security.jpg https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/c-2025-06-22t170416z-1107544038-rc2s7faxvnot-rtrmadp-3-syria-security.jpg

Facing ongoing threats, persecution and economic collapse, thousands of Syrian Christians are desperate to flee – not from lack of love for the country, but out of sheer necessity. Without immediate protections, Christianity in Syria risks becoming a memory, its ancient churches left as hollow monuments in a country that once helped carry the faith to the world.

If the international community refuses to even name the ideology behind these violent attacks, or distinguish the victims from the perpetrators, then Syria’s diversity will vanish. This is not sectarian conflict. This is persecution.

It would also be a mistake for the world to view this as solely Syria’s problem. Religious persecution rooted in jihadist ideology does not stay contained. It spreads across borders, fills power vacuums and thrives when ignored. Sunday’s attack fits a chilling pattern of violence aimed at religious minorities – whether carried out by ISIS remnants, aligned militants or emerging jihadist factions. Syria’s Christians, Druze, Ismailis, Yazidis and others should not be left to face this threat alone.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 1:58pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:45am: I have known several, even had them as guests in my home, along with Jews, Christians, Buddhists, atheists and agnostics.   The fact that some Muslims are decent and reasonable people does not change the basic tenets of Islam, whose proponents world wide are becoming more outspoken and increasingly violent. Good.  You seem to think that Muslims are unthinking robots who must obey unswervingly the teachings of their religion.  Why don't you think the same of Christians/Buddhists/Jews?  All have some reprehensible teachings in their holy books.  All prescribe violence and hatred for non-believers/Gays/etc.  All have rules against abortions, etc.  Why are they excepted from your wrath?  Seems your being Islamophobic based on your narrow understand what it is to be Muslim.  Yes, there are some bad Islamists who take their beliefs to extremes but they are outnumbered by moderates who get on quite well with other religions and beliefs.

Most Muslims are unthinking robots who obey the teachings of their religion. The moderates who question them are in as much, if not more,  danger as any non Muslim.  While there are extremists in other faiths they are a tiny minority and do not control entire countries, have military forces or world wide terrorist networks.

We only have to see the way Muslims here have reacted to the situation in the Middle East to see that they are a danger to our society and must be controlled.

Belgarion wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 4:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 1:58pm: Belgarion wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:45am: I have known several, even had them as guests in my home, along with Jews, Christians, Buddhists, atheists and agnostics.   The fact that some Muslims are decent and reasonable people does not change the basic tenets of Islam, whose proponents world wide are becoming more outspoken and increasingly violent. Good.  You seem to think that Muslims are unthinking robots who must obey unswervingly the teachings of their religion.  Why don't you think the same of Christians/Buddhists/Jews?  All have some reprehensible teachings in their holy books.  All prescribe violence and hatred for non-believers/Gays/etc.  All have rules against abortions, etc.  Why are they excepted from your wrath?  Seems your being Islamophobic based on your narrow understand what it is to be Muslim.  Yes, there are some bad Islamists who take their beliefs to extremes but they are outnumbered by moderates who get on quite well with other religions and beliefs. Most Muslims are unthinking robots who obey the teachings of their religion.

Sounds exactly like MAGA.

Frank wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 2:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 1:45pm: Frank wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:04am: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 5:02pm: Belgarion wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 4:42pm: The thing is, Islam is not merely a religion. Christianity has a strong influence on western philosophy and values but it is not entwined in the very fabric of society and tolerates other faiths and even atheism and agnosticism.  Islam on the other hand is an entire philosophical, cultural, economic and political system as well as a religion. It influences its adherents in ways that Christianity does not and is intolerant of all other beliefs, encouraging violent persecution of any who do not adhere to its tenets.  It is uncompromising and utterly incompatible with modern western society as the problems in the Middle East, in Europe and Asia and increasingly in Australia have shown. How many Muslims have you known, Belgarion?  How many Muslims have you spoken to about their political and religious views?  I suspect relative few if any.  A total non- argument. How many Christians, Jews, Hindus, apostates have you spoken to who have been harrased, persecuted, killed by Muslims? What do you make of the accounts of people who HAVE spoken to to such victims or Muslims, or were themselves persecuted? There are endless documented, verified accounts of such persecutions. In what way do your Muslims outweigh them? Do the Muslims you have spoken set the direction of Islam? What do they say to you and what do they say to each other? Would you ever know the difference? How? You are an Islamophobe who has never spoken to a Muslim or a victim of Islamist violence, Soren.  You know nothing.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Repeating cowardly lies and idiocies while rolling your eyes and tut-tutting is not an answer to genuine, pertinent questions, Bbwiyawn. You are totally self-centred in your vanity and so magine that your moronic mantra of "I have worked, studied, served with Muslims" outweighs history and the mass of documented - not like your hearsay inanity - past and present Islamically motivated outrages, barbarities and hostilities. But it outweighs it only in your addled 'mind'. Keep repeating it, you have nothing else in that empty head of yours. Nevertheless, these are pertinent questions even if you keep running from like the cowardly, ignorant troll you are: How many Christians, Jews, Hindus, apostates have you spoken to who have been harrased, persecuted, killed by Muslims? What do you make of the accounts of people who HAVE spoken to to such victims or Muslims, or were themselves persecuted? There are endless documented, verified accounts of such persecutions. In what way do your Muslims outweigh them? Do the Muslims you have spoken set the direction of Islam? What do they say to you and what do they say to each other? Would you ever know the difference? How? You can't answer simple questions so you shout Islamophobe, white your nappy and roll your eyes. Pathetic but it is exactly the outer limit of what you are capable of.

When you come down off your high horse, Soren and actually address me and other posters as human beings without resorting to furious ad huminem insults at the drop of a hat, you might have a point.  Until then, you're just whistling in the dark, too scared to actually speak to Muslims on the street.  Indeed, you'd rather cross the street than walk on the same footpath to a Muslim or any other immigrant.  Your patent Racism colours your thinking and stops it from exploring alternative possibilities.  Run along, back under your bridge and waste everybody else's time with your trolling efforts.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

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Belgarion wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 4:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 1:58pm: Belgarion wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:45am: I have known several, even had them as guests in my home, along with Jews, Christians, Buddhists, atheists and agnostics.   The fact that some Muslims are decent and reasonable people does not change the basic tenets of Islam, whose proponents world wide are becoming more outspoken and increasingly violent. Good.  You seem to think that Muslims are unthinking robots who must obey unswervingly the teachings of their religion.  Why don't you think the same of Christians/Buddhists/Jews?  All have some reprehensible teachings in their holy books.  All prescribe violence and hatred for non-believers/Gays/etc.  All have rules against abortions, etc.  Why are they excepted from your wrath?  Seems your being Islamophobic based on your narrow understand what it is to be Muslim.  Yes, there are some bad Islamists who take their beliefs to extremes but they are outnumbered by moderates who get on quite well with other religions and beliefs. Most Muslims are unthinking robots who obey the teachings of their religion. The moderates who question them are in as much, if not more,  danger as any non Muslim.  While there are extremists in other faiths they are a tiny minority and do not control entire countries, have military forces or world wide terrorist networks. We only have to see the way Muslims here have reacted to the situation in the Middle East to see that they are a danger to our society and must be controlled.

So, people must be unfeeling about situations in their old homelands or events that affect their fellow religionists, Belgarion?  So much for old loyalities, hey?  Might be OK if some Australians were willing to forget things and see them as fellow Australians but it seems they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.  To people like yourself, they are robotic followers of a religion that is foreign to you, exactly as the Jews/Catholics/Indigenous Australians were once treated by Anglican Australians.  That was eventually recognised as wrong, I wonder how long it will take for Muslims to be accepted?  Will you ever accept them as Australian as Meat Pies, Holden cars, and Kangaroos?   Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 1:58pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:45am: I have known several, even had them as guests in my home, along with Jews, Christians, Buddhists, atheists and agnostics.   The fact that some Muslims are decent and reasonable people does not change the basic tenets of Islam, whose proponents world wide are becoming more outspoken and increasingly violent. Good.  You seem to think that Muslims are unthinking robots who must obey unswervingly the teachings of their religion.  Why don't you think the same of Christians/Buddhists/Jews?  All have some reprehensible teachings in their holy books.  All prescribe violence and hatred for non-believers/Gays/etc.  All have rules against abortions, etc.  Why are they excepted from your wrath?  Seems your being Islamophobic based on your narrow understand what it is to be Muslim.  Yes, there are some bad Islamists who take their beliefs to extremes but they are outnumbered by moderates who get on quite well with other religions and beliefs.

Unlike Islam, Christianity moved with the times - it states in the Bible that the law of the land would change and Christians were bound to obey those laws.

As long as the law of the land does not contradict the law of God, we are bound to obey the law of the land.

Whilst mussos remain firmly back in the age of Mohammed in the flipping 7th century with their 7th century Qur'an and its barbaric messages of death to the infidels, their goal of global sharia and a worldwide caliphate that will challenge and ultimately conquer the West.

Maybe you didn't see all those scumbag mussos in our courts who refuse to stand for a judge, who turn their backs on them and start praying? Who state that the only law they obey is the law of the Qur'an and Sharia. And that means contempt for our laws, our authorities and everything we stand for.

As a police officer, my son has seen it all. 

You on the other hand are an apologist for mussos and Islam. And totally ignorant. 

Sure, there are many muslims who are fairly apathetic when it comes to achieving this goal because they are living in the West, enjoying the freedom and welfare courtesy of the taxpayers, the educational opportunities, the housing and so on without making any contribution to the economy or the betterment of society- especially the huge criminal element.

They believe that eventually all the world will come under the rule of Islam - it is ordained in the Qur'an and hadiths after all. But they're not about to take up arms to achieve that goal themselves ... they are happy to leave that to the more radical types.

But ALL muslims believe that the Qur'an is the eternal and literal word of God! And that it is as relevant today as it was in the 7th century!

Do I need to talk to a musso about this? 

Aquarius wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 4:53pm:

Unlike Islam, Christianity moved with the times - it states in the Bible that the law of the land would change and Christians were bound to obey those laws.

Generally only after some wars between the various sects.  The 30 Years War in particular, then you had the Enlightenment and various conflicts between Catholics and Protestants in Spain, France, the UK, Germany.  Millions dead, millions subjugated.  All in the name of Christianity.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


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As long as the law of the land does not contradict the law of God, we are bound to obey the law of the land.

Ah, so it is perfectly alright then to kill Gays?  To kill adulterers?  Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


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Whilst mussos remain firmly back in the age of Mohammed in the flipping 7th century with their 7th century Qur'an and its barbaric messages of death to the infidels, their goal of global sharia and a worldwide caliphate that will challenge and ultimately conquer the West.

Some are, most are not.  It all depends on their background, their culture and their understanding of the legal system.  Muslims are commanded in that, "flipping 7th century Qur'an" to obey the local laws of where they are living.  Seems pretty sensible to me. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


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Maybe you didn't see all those scumbag mussos in our courts who refuse to stand for a judge, who turn their backs on them and start praying? Who state that the only law they obey is the law of the Qur'an and Sharia. And that means contempt for our laws, our authorities and everything we stand for.

So, what about the Sovereign Citizens who refuse to recognise the Courts or the Judges who sit on their cases?  Seems we have to put up with dozens of these whackos in our courts.  Is that a good thing?  No matter what there are malcontents who attempt to buck the system, doesn't matter what their motivation is, they continue to exist.  Some Muslims might attempt to buck the system but they are misled in their motivations.  Just quote Surah An-Nisa - 59
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O believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. Should you disagree on anything, then refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you ˹truly˺ believe in Allah and the Last Day. This is the best and fairest resolution.

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As a police officer, my son has seen it all.

Good luck to him.  Why don't you ask him what he thinks of malcontents amongst the general Australian population?  I'm sure he'll have a worthy opinion.


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You on the other hand are an apologist for mussos and Islam. And totally ignorant.

Really?  All that life long experience I have being acquainted with Muslims seem therefore to be a waste in front of the ignorant Islamophobes here.  Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


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Sure, there are many muslims who are fairly apathetic when it comes to achieving this goal because they are living in the West, enjoying the freedom and welfare courtesy of the taxpayers, the educational opportunities, the housing and so on without making any contribution to the economy or the betterment of society- especially the huge criminal element. They believe that eventually all the world will come under the rule of Islam - it is ordained in the Qur'an and hadiths after all. But they're not about to take up arms to achieve that goal themselves ... they are happy to leave that to the more radical types. But ALL muslims believe that the Qur'an is the eternal and literal word of God! And that it is as relevant today as it was in the 7th century! Do I need to talk to a musso about this?

Might be a good idea to get educated, don't you think, rather than talk from a position of ignorance.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Even Abu declared that it was inevitable that Muslims would have their glorious military victory to take back Israel and then Spain. That sort of mentality explains why societies dominated by Islam have not been able to move past the age of empires. It's why the Palestinians keep starting wars they have no hope of winning. It's why ISIS proved so popular among middle eastern Muslims, even though it was clearly a step backwards towards barbarism, that it took intervention from non-Muslim countries to stop their spread. It's why western nations have been able to establish democracy is every country they put their mind to doing it in, except those dominated by Islam.

This mentality is not some kind of aberration in Islam. It is exactly what Muhammad did, and exactly what he instructed Muslims to do.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 4:40pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 2:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 1:45pm: Frank wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:04am: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 5:02pm: Belgarion wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 4:42pm: The thing is, Islam is not merely a religion. Christianity has a strong influence on western philosophy and values but it is not entwined in the very fabric of society and tolerates other faiths and even atheism and agnosticism.  Islam on the other hand is an entire philosophical, cultural, economic and political system as well as a religion. It influences its adherents in ways that Christianity does not and is intolerant of all other beliefs, encouraging violent persecution of any who do not adhere to its tenets.  It is uncompromising and utterly incompatible with modern western society as the problems in the Middle East, in Europe and Asia and increasingly in Australia have shown. How many Muslims have you known, Belgarion?  How many Muslims have you spoken to about their political and religious views?  I suspect relative few if any.  A total non- argument. How many Christians, Jews, Hindus, apostates have you spoken to who have been harrased, persecuted, killed by Muslims? What do you make of the accounts of people who HAVE spoken to to such victims or Muslims, or were themselves persecuted? There are endless documented, verified accounts of such persecutions. In what way do your Muslims outweigh them? Do the Muslims you have spoken set the direction of Islam? What do they say to you and what do they say to each other? Would you ever know the difference? How? You are an Islamophobe who has never spoken to a Muslim or a victim of Islamist violence, Soren.  You know nothing.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Repeating cowardly lies and idiocies while rolling your eyes and tut-tutting is not an answer to genuine, pertinent questions, Bbwiyawn. You are totally self-centred in your vanity and so magine that your moronic mantra of "I have worked, studied, served with Muslims" outweighs history and the mass of documented - not like your hearsay inanity - past and present Islamically motivated outrages, barbarities and hostilities. But it outweighs it only in your addled 'mind'. Keep repeating it, you have nothing else in that empty head of yours. Nevertheless, these are pertinent questions even if you keep running from like the cowardly, ignorant troll you are: How many Christians, Jews, Hindus, apostates have you spoken to who have been harrased, persecuted, killed by Muslims? What do you make of the accounts of people who HAVE spoken to to such victims or Muslims, or were themselves persecuted? There are endless documented, verified accounts of such persecutions. In what way do your Muslims outweigh them? Do the Muslims you have spoken set the direction of Islam? What do they say to you and what do they say to each other? Would you ever know the difference? How? You can't answer simple questions so you shout Islamophobe, white your nappy and roll your eyes. Pathetic but it is exactly the outer limit of what you are capable of. When you come down off your high horse, Soren and actually address me and other posters as human beings without resorting to furious ad huminem insults at the drop of a hat, you might have a point.

I did try that, you cowardly liar, but you brushed it aside with your customary snivelling, mindless stupidity, shitfer. See highlighted.

The Middle East is full of psycho killers:


I can't seem to face up to the facts
I'm tense and nervous, and I can't relax
I can't sleep 'cause my bed's on fire
Don't touch me, I'm a real live wire

[Chorus]
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
Fa-fa-fa-fa, fa-fa-fa-fa-fa, fa, better
Run, run, run, run, run, run, run away
Oh, oh

Frank wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 7:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 4:40pm: Frank wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 2:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 1:45pm: Frank wrote on Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:04am: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 5:02pm: Belgarion wrote on Jun 28th, 2025 at 4:42pm: The thing is, Islam is not merely a religion. Christianity has a strong influence on western philosophy and values but it is not entwined in the very fabric of society and tolerates other faiths and even atheism and agnosticism.  Islam on the other hand is an entire philosophical, cultural, economic and political system as well as a religion. It influences its adherents in ways that Christianity does not and is intolerant of all other beliefs, encouraging violent persecution of any who do not adhere to its tenets.  It is uncompromising and utterly incompatible with modern western society as the problems in the Middle East, in Europe and Asia and increasingly in Australia have shown. How many Muslims have you known, Belgarion?  How many Muslims have you spoken to about their political and religious views?  I suspect relative few if any.  A total non- argument. How many Christians, Jews, Hindus, apostates have you spoken to who have been harrased, persecuted, killed by Muslims? What do you make of the accounts of people who HAVE spoken to to such victims or Muslims, or were themselves persecuted? There are endless documented, verified accounts of such persecutions. In what way do your Muslims outweigh them? Do the Muslims you have spoken set the direction of Islam? What do they say to you and what do they say to each other? Would you ever know the difference? How? You are an Islamophobe who has never spoken to a Muslim or a victim of Islamist violence, Soren.  You know nothing.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Repeating cowardly lies and idiocies while rolling your eyes and tut-tutting is not an answer to genuine, pertinent questions, Bbwiyawn. You are totally self-centred in your vanity and so magine that your moronic mantra of "I have worked, studied, served with Muslims" outweighs history and the mass of documented - not like your hearsay inanity - past and present Islamically motivated outrages, barbarities and hostilities. But it outweighs it only in your addled 'mind'. Keep repeating it, you have nothing else in that empty head of yours. Nevertheless, these are pertinent questions even if you keep running from like the cowardly, ignorant troll you are: How many Christians, Jews, Hindus, apostates have you spoken to who have been harrased, persecuted, killed by Muslims? What do you make of the accounts of people who HAVE spoken to to such victims or Muslims, or were themselves persecuted? There are endless documented, verified accounts of such persecutions. In what way do your Muslims outweigh them? Do the Muslims you have spoken set the direction of Islam? What do they say to you and what do they say to each other? Would you ever know the difference? How? You can't answer simple questions so you shout Islamophobe, white your nappy and roll your eyes. Pathetic but it is exactly the outer limit of what you are capable of. When you come down off your high horse, Soren and actually address me and other posters as human beings without resorting to furious ad huminem insults at the drop of a hat, you might have a point.  I did try that, you cowardly liar, but you brushed it aside with your customary snivelling, mindless stupidity, shitfer. See highlighted.

Twilight Zone. Still on your high horse. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 8:01pm:

The Middle East is full of psycho killers: I can't seem to face up to the facts I'm tense and nervous, and I can't relax I can't sleep 'cause my bed's on fire Don't touch me, I'm a real live wire [Chorus] Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est? Fa-fa-fa-fa, fa-fa-fa-fa-fa, fa, better Run, run, run, run, run, run, run away Oh, oh

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 5:42pm:

Even Abu declared that it was inevitable that Muslims would have their glorious military victory to take back Israel and then Spain. That sort of mentality explains why societies dominated by Islam have not been able to move past the age of empires. It's why the Palestinians keep starting wars they have no hope of winning. It's why ISIS proved so popular among middle eastern Muslims, even though it was clearly a step backwards towards barbarism, that it took intervention from non-Muslim countries to stop their spread. It's why western nations have been able to establish democracy is every country they put their mind to doing it in, except those dominated by Islam. This mentality is not some kind of aberration in Islam. It is exactly what Muhammad did, and exactly what he instructed Muslims to do.

Twilight Zone. ISIS was clearly condemned by most Middle Eastern Muslims.  Palestinians are more often responding to Israeli aggression. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 5:42pm:

Even Abu declared that it was inevitable that Muslims would have their glorious military victory to take back Israel and then Spain. That sort of mentality explains why societies dominated by Islam have not been able to move past the age of empires. It's why the Palestinians keep starting wars they have no hope of winning. It's why ISIS proved so popular among middle eastern Muslims, even though it was clearly a step backwards towards barbarism, that it took intervention from non-Muslim countries to stop their spread. >> It's why western nations have been able to establish democracy is every country they put their mind to doing it in, except those dominated by Islam. This mentality is not some kind of aberration in Islam. It is exactly what Muhammad did, and exactly what he instructed Muslims to do. <<

freediver,

That, will be a lost cause.....asking 'our' brian, to concur with your statement above.



For 'our' brian, can assure you that he knows lots of his moslem acquaintances....who yes, are followers of ISLAM,
who are committed, committed i say!,
...to enjoying peaceful coexistence with Allah's enemies [aka, their fellow Australians] in Australia.

And we all know......that whatever 'our' brian tells us in this forum, is true and kosher.....
at least in 'our' brian's mind.
/sarc off

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2025 at 12:32pm:

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Old news in this YT video ------ >

But i am certain that brian will still like to talk to....
the negative implications, for Australia,
of this specific ALBANESE GOVERNMENT POLICY. ???

And he will no doubt argue.......that Australia, by giving thousands of    'tourist visas'    to individuals.....
who were recently resident within HAMAS's Gaza, is 'an act of human compassion'.



Q.
BUT WHY, REALLY, DID THE ALBANESE GOVERNMENT, MAKE THIS SPECIFIC POLICY DECISION ?

Was it because The Australian Labor Party believes that it would be advantageous for them,
if even more followers of ISLAM,
'migrate' to Australia ?

To be ready to register to vote, in our next national poll ?

i.e.
These persons are simply, migrants to Australia.....
people who respect the principles of democracy.

Rather than supporting an established religious stricture [within, and of ISLAM],
which sanctions the slitting a political 'opponents' throat. [....as per the constituted 'laws' of Gaza, and much of the M.E.]
       ***




Is Australia About to Repeat the Biggest Mistake of Europe?
Tony Abbott

13 min
2025-Jun-29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iepV0pLtjs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iepV0pLtjs



Quote:

Dave Rubin of “The Rubin Report” talks to Former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott about the decline of Western values in Australia and beyond; the authoritarian overreach during COVID lockdowns; the dangers of multiculturalism without shared civic values; the importance of patriotic immigration and national unity; how political stagnation weakens democracies; the need for cultural confidence and strategic renewal; and much more.

***
BELOW......
FROM THE KORAN......
THE    LAWFUL PUNISHMENT    TO BE IMPOSED AGAINST INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE GUILTY OF...
'MAKING MISCHIEF IN THE LAND'.
i.e.
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE GUILTY OF OPENLY 'DISAGREEING' WITH THE ENFORCED STRICURES OF ISLAMIC LAW....
WITHIN A 'STABLE' SHARIA LAW JURISDICTION [e.g. like Gaza].....


"......they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)".


"Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City....whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."
Koran 33.60,61


"The punishment of those who......strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world..."
Koran 5.33



So liberal, their camp is,
in their treatment of 'dissenters' - - NOT !


And we......our constituted government......are    choosing    to 'import' these people,
into Australia.


What could possibly go wrong !!! ???
/sarc off

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Yadda wrote on Jun 30^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30th, 2025 at 12:32pm: Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Old news in this YT video ------ > But i am certain that brian will still like to talk to.... the negative implications, for Australia, of this specific ALBANESE GOVERNMENT POLICY. ??? And he will no doubt argue.......that Australia, by giving thousands of    'tourist visas'    to individuals..... who were recently resident within HAMAS's Gaza, is 'an act of human compassion'. Q. BUT WHY, REALLY, DID THE ALBANESE GOVERNMENT, MAKE THIS SPECIFIC POLICY DECISION ? Was it because The Australian Labor Party believes that it would be advantageous for them, if even more followers of ISLAM, 'migrate' to Australia ? To be ready to register to vote, in our next national poll ? i.e. These persons are simply, migrants to Australia..... people who respect the principles of democracy. Rather than supporting an established religious stricture [within, and of ISLAM], which sanctions the slitting a political 'opponents' throat. [....as per the constituted 'laws' of Gaza, and much of the M.E.]        *** Is Australia About to Repeat the Biggest Mistake of Europe? Tony Abbott 13 min 2025-Jun-29 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iepV0pLtjs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iepV0pLtjs Quote: Dave Rubin of “The Rubin Report” talks to Former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott about the decline of Western values in Australia and beyond; the authoritarian overreach during COVID lockdowns; the dangers of multiculturalism without shared civic values; the importance of patriotic immigration and national unity; how political stagnation weakens democracies; the need for cultural confidence and strategic renewal; and much more. *** BELOW...... FROM THE KORAN...... THE    LAWFUL PUNISHMENT    TO BE IMPOSED AGAINST INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE GUILTY OF... 'MAKING MISCHIEF IN THE LAND'. i.e. INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE GUILTY OF OPENLY 'DISAGREEING' WITH THE ENFORCED STRICURES OF ISLAMIC LAW.... WITHIN A 'STABLE' SHARIA LAW JURISDICTION [e.g. like Gaza]..... "......they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)". "Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City....whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)." Koran 33.60,61 "The punishment of those who......strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world..." Koran 5.33 So liberal, their camp is, in their treatment of 'dissenters' - - NOT ! And we......our constituted government......are    choosing    to 'import' these people, into Australia. What could possibly go wrong !!! ??? /sarc off

Importing trouble. Exactly.

From Gaza, from Pakistan, China, India, Africa.

God knows, Australia and America were importing trouble even from Ireland!   How long did THAT take to digest..

How long will it take to digest muslims?
Forever. They do not assimilate. So it is important trouble that is going to be permanent.

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Jun 30^th, 2025 at 6:56pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 30th, 2025 at 6:12pm: ...... ...... Is Australia About to Repeat the Biggest Mistake of Europe? Tony Abbott 13 min 2025-Jun-29 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iepV0pLtjs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iepV0pLtjs Quote: Dave Rubin of “The Rubin Report” talks to Former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott about the decline of Western values in Australia and beyond; the authoritarian overreach during COVID lockdowns; the dangers of multiculturalism without shared civic values; the importance of patriotic immigration and national unity; how political stagnation weakens democracies; the need for cultural confidence and strategic renewal; and much more. *** BELOW...... FROM THE KORAN...... THE    LAWFUL PUNISHMENT    TO BE IMPOSED AGAINST INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE GUILTY OF... 'MAKING MISCHIEF IN THE LAND'. i.e. INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE GUILTY OF OPENLY 'DISAGREEING' WITH THE ENFORCED STRICURES OF ISLAMIC LAW.... WITHIN A 'STABLE' SHARIA LAW JURISDICTION [e.g. like Gaza]..... "......they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)". "Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City....whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)." Koran 33.60,61 "The punishment of those who......strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world..." Koran 5.33 So liberal, their camp is, in their treatment of 'dissenters' - - NOT ! And we......our constituted government......are    choosing    to 'import' these people, into Australia. What could possibly go wrong !!! ??? /sarc off Importing trouble. Exactly. From Gaza, from Pakistan, China, India, Africa. God knows, Australia and America were importing trouble even from Ireland! How long did THAT take to digest.. How long will it take to digest muslims? Forever. They do not assimilate. So it is important trouble that is going to be permanent.

Frank,

Moslems, in Australia.

What to do with followers of ISLAM,
who choose to SPIT on our Australian culture and our liberal Australian laws ?

What is a workable solution.......to this intentional abuse ???


EASY......
AND AGAIN, I SAY, EASY !


Whenever those [who identify themselves, as], the followers of ISLAM,
in Australia,
choose to SPIT on our culture and choose to SPIT on our constituted laws.

What should be the consequence, to a follower of ISLAM, in Australia,
e.g.
who rapes,
who steals,
who murders,
who promotes [ISLAMIC, Jihad inspired] sedition, against our COMMONWEALTH ???


We Australians [OUR LAWMAKERS], need to say.....
to those who identify themselves, as, the followers of ISLAM......

'OK, we know,         by the example of your conduct,
that many individuals within your community despise our culture and our Australian laws.'

'Well from now on, if you identify yourself, as a followers of ISLAM,
and, if you commit a serious crime,
then, on conviction.......
we will inflict the penalty FOR THAT CRIME, which ISLAMIC law mandates.

We can't be fairer, than that !'



e.g.
Stealing, and fraud, and robbery ?

We will cut off your one hand, and one foot......and we will insist that your own community,
take charge of your care, as an invalid.

etc, etc.

And then, we will see how the moslem communities,
who are being hosted, in Australia,
like those apples !



Come on brian.

Isn't that fair ?

i.e.
Whenever an individual identifies himself, as a followers of ISLAM,
and, he is charged with committing a serious crime,
then, on conviction.......
we will inflict the penalty FOR THAT CRIME, which ISLAMIC law mandates.

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Non-muslims are persecuted in every Muslim country where Islam has any official standing. Which is almost all of them, from Indonesia to the Atlantic.

Islam does not play well with others.  It is a supremacist creed spread by massacre and oppression, not by persuasiveness of its moral strength. 

Submit, pay or die. A pirate's creed.

Frank wrote on Jun 30^th, 2025 at 10:21pm:

Non-muslims are persecuted in every Muslim country where Islam has any official standing. Which is almost all of them, from Indonesia to the Atlantic. Islam does not play well with others.  It is a supremacist creed spread by massacre and oppression, not by persuasiveness of its moral strength.  Submit, pay or die. A pirot's creed.

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2025 at 10:30pm:

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

brian,

95 times out of 100, your reply is moronic.

When anyone presents an argument here,
you do not present any cogent counter-argument here,
.....an online forum, for free, and open debate.

Instead, you almost always reply, with your moronic meme, referencing a dated, fictional, horror TV series.



brian,

You are absolutely disappointing, and pathetic.



brian,

My advice to you......

If you really, really, did attend a real university......
you should ask for your tuition fees back.

You were defrauded.

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Yadda,

Quote:

brian, My advice to you...... If you really, really, did attend a real university...... you should ask for your tuition fees back. You were defrauded.

Brian is our resident Walter Mitty -

his only qualification is passing the 25 yards breaststroke as a school boy in the pool.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 1^st, 2025 at 6:49am:

Yadda.... Quote: brian, My advice to you...... If you really, really, did attend a real university...... you should ask for your tuition fees back. You were defrauded. Brian is our resident Walter Mitty - his only qualification is passing the 25 yards breaststroke as a school boy in the pool.

bobby,

brian appears to be....'enthralled' by.......something.

But it appears to be not anything.....that enjoins any respect for truth.


enthral = =
1 capture the fascinated attention of.
2 enslave.

stooge = = a subordinate used by another


.


bobby,

Our life....is a journey....of constantly learning......or, not.

Q.
How can we learn anything [useful].......without respect for >> the concept << of truth ?




Psalms 119:54
Thy statutes have been my songs in the house of my pilgrimage.


Exodus 2:22
And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom:
for he said,
I have been a stranger in a strange land.


Isaiah 28:9
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10  For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11  For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.


Deuteronomy 8:2
And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years
in the wilderness,
to humble thee,
and to prove thee,
to know what was in thine heart,
whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.




Can You REJECT The Holy Spirit After Receiving Him At Salvation?

10 min
date

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx0shE3PQkM&t=10s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx0shE3PQkM&t=10s




Revelation 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20  Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.


Philippians 4:7
And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
8  Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.


Go your own way.

Make your own choice.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 1^st, 2025 at 6:49am:

Yadda, Quote: brian, My advice to you...... If you really, really, did attend a real university...... you should ask for your tuition fees back. You were defrauded. Brian is our resident Walter Mitty - his only qualification is passing the 25 yards breaststroke as a school boy in the pool.

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Yadda wrote on Jul 1^st, 2025 at 9:59am:

bobby, brian appears to be....'enthralled' by.......something. But it appears to be not anything.....that enjoins any respect for truth. enthral = = 1 capture the fascinated attention of. 2 enslave. stooge = = a subordinate used by another . bobby, Our life....is a journey....of constantly learning......or, not. Q. How can we learn anything [useful].......without respect for >> the concept << of truth ? Psalms 119:54 Thy statutes have been my songs in the house of my pilgrimage. Exodus 2:22 And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom: for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land. Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10  For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11  For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. Deuteronomy 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. Can You REJECT The Holy Spirit After Receiving Him At Salvation? 10 min date https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx0shE3PQkM&t=10s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx0shE3PQkM&t=10s Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20  Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. 8  Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Go your own way. Make your own choice.

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Bbwiyawn is weasoning, don't you know. He is being wational. He is demonstrting how an educated man like him ( :P) engages with ideas and debate. More educated that most, of course. And dont you forget that.


His vanity is surpassed only by his amazing stupidity. Just stupendous.



No wonder his wife and childern have abandoned him. Wouldn't you?

Frank wrote on Jul 1^st, 2025 at 6:52pm:

Bbwiyawn is weasoning, don't you know. He is being wational. He is demonstrting how an educated man like him ( :P) engages with ideas and debate. More educated that most, of course. And dont you forget that. His vanity is surpassed only by his amazing stupidity. Just stupendous. No wonder his wife and childern have abandoned him. Wouldn't you?

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 1^st, 2025 at 10:18pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 1st, 2025 at 6:52pm: Bbwiyawn is weasoning, don't you know. He is being wational. He is demonstrting how an educated man like him ( :P) engages with ideas and debate. More educated that most, of course. And dont you forget that. His vanity is surpassed only by his amazing stupidity. Just stupendous. No wonder his wife and childern have abandoned him. Wouldn't you? Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Poltroon.

Pastor among at least 12 Christians killed in southern Syria violence
22 July 2025

Druze, Alawites and Christians killed in Syria sectarian violence

The violence in Sweida first broke out on 13 July between the Sunni-majority Bedouin tribal group and the Druze, an Islamic sect regarded as heretical by many Sunnis.

Syria’s transitional government deployed the Syrian Armed Forces to the region in the days that followed, supposedly to restore peace.

These forces are alleged to have carried out attacks on civilians, including the unlawful execution of 83 Druze as well as the killing of the believers at the Church of Jesus the Good Shepherd.



More than 1,120 people have died in sectarian violence that has raged across Sweida province of southern Syria for over a week.



The current government of Syria, headed by interim president Ahmed al Sharaa, came to power in December 2024 following a successful armed rebellion.  Al Sharaa, also known as Abu Mohammad al Jolani, is the leader of Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), a designated terrorist organisation that was formerly affiliated to Al Qaeda.

When he first returned to Syria from Iraq in 2011, al Sharaa worked closely with Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, who later declared himself the caliph of Islamic State (IS – also known as ISIS, ISIL, Daesh). After the split between IS and Al Qaeda in 2014, the HTS remained affiliated to Al Qaeda.

More recently, al Sharaa has sought to present himself as a moderate who will protect religious freedom. However, a Reuters investigation has uncovered evidence that Syrian government forces massacred 1,500 Alawites, another minority group, in western Syria in March 2025. At least 12 Christians were killed during this wave of violence.

Church leaders have also criticised the government for failing to prevent an Islamist suicide bombing on 22 June in Damascus, which claimed the lives of at least 25 worshippers and injured more than 60 during a church service.





Moderate Islam, eh?