Tulsi Gabbard, the US director of National Intelligence, said in March that the intelligence community “continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/17/trump-iran-israel-nuclear 

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/trump-contradicts-his-spy-chief-irans-nuclear-program-2025-06-17/

Trump is showing himself to be another in the long line of Zionist stooges.

No surprise: Miriam Adelson donated $100 million to his campaign!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wMM36H6TI0

IAEA chief confirms agency has 'no proof' Iran building nuclear bomb

Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Rafael Grossi, said on 17 June on CNN, "we did not have any proof a systematic effort to move into a nuclear weapon”

https://thecradle.co/articles-id/31427

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https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-board-declares-iran-breach-non-proliferation-duties-diplomats-say-2025-06-12/

IAEA board declares Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligation

Trump replied, "I don't care what she said".    ;D

Gabbard is such a repulsive creature.

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 9:37am:

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-board-declares-iran-breach-non-proliferation-duties-diplomats-say-2025-06-12/

Why do you repeatedly fail to provide the common courtesy of making your links active?

Is it because you're just lazy or is there some other reason?

Of course, if you ditched this archaic forum software and upgraded to something more modern it would do it automatically.

So why don't you?


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IAEA board declares Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligation

Your 'link' is from the 12th yet see what IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi said on the 17th (reply 2).

A montage of Nutanyahu's scaremongering since 1992:


https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2025/6/18/netanyahus-spent-33-years-warning-an-iran-nuke-is#flips-6374521327112:0

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Your 'link' is from the 12th yet see what IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi said on the 17th (reply 2).

Yes I see it. Are you saying the IAEA has changed it's mind over those few days, or can you figure out the difference between the two statements?

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-board-declares-iran-breach-non-proliferation-duties-diplomats-say-2025-06-12/

IAEA board declares Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligation

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 11:15am:

Trump replied, "I don't care what she said".    ;D Gabbard is such a repulsive creature.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GejT3zXX0AAKUET.png

The Islamic apologists spouting utter nonsense again.  ::)

Belgarion wrote on Jun 20^th, 2025 at 11:57am:

The Islamic apologists spouting utter nonsense again.  ::)

Tulsi is a Russian asset.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GejT3zXX0AAKUET.png

I don't think anyone would say Iran is making nuclear weapons, they are refining uranium to be able to make nuclear bombs.

For all we know the CCP has recently flown in a Nuke or three?
Why make one, when you can just buy one.
Afterall, a small number of ex-Soviet Nukes are unaccounted for from their former satellite nations like Kazakhstan, etc.

The UN failed dismally for decades to properly monitor and assess. Iran's nuclear growth by just ticking the boxes via their lies and effectively investigating themselves to see if Iran was telling the truth.

Luckily for the World, Israel is doing a better job than the hopeless UN who last week admitted they had 'stuffed up' on Iran.
That stuff up by the UN could have cost millions of lives.

Israel is the World's Champion against evil Terrorism currently.

Jasin wrote on Jun 20^th, 2025 at 3:19pm:

For all we know the CCP has recently flown in a Nuke or three? Why make one, when you can just buy one. Afterall, a small number of ex-Soviet Nukes are unaccounted for from their former satellite nations like Kazakhstan, etc. The UN failed dismally for decades to properly monitor and assess. Iran's nuclear growth by just ticking the boxes via their lies and effectively investigating themselves to see if Iran was telling the truth. Luckily for the World, Israel is doing a better job than the hopeless UN who last week admitted they had 'stuffed up' on Iran. That stuff up by the UN could have cost millions of lives. Israel is the World's Champion against evil Terrorism currently.

The IDF is a terrorist organisation.

And you're a forum WANKER  ;D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GejT3zXX0AAKUET.png

And your mouth on this Forum isn't from just sucking paddle-pops.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GejT3zXX0AAKUET.png

It has no effect, despite what you hope for... ;D
You're an idiot. ;D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GejT3zXX0AAKUET.png

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Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard in March: "Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons." https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1935388349809963480

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 20^th, 2025 at 5:12pm:

Quote: Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard in March: "Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons." https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1935388349809963480

Sounds like she is actually on the same page as everyone else.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-board-declares-iran-breach-non-proliferation-duties-diplomats-say-2025-06-12/

IAEA board declares Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligation

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 12:07am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wMM36H6TI0

Do you have anything better than a youtube video?

This guy was a nuclear inspector in Iraq the IAEA haven't been into Iraq for over 20 years.

Iraq hasn't had a viable nuclear program since 1981 the Israelis blew it up.

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2025 at 5:28pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 20th, 2025 at 5:12pm: Quote: Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard in March: "Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons." https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1935388349809963480 Sounds like she is actually on the same page as everyone else. https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-board-declares-iran-breach-non-proliferation-duties-diplomats-say-2025-06-12/ IAEA board declares Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligation

There is no civilian use for Uranium enriched to those levels.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 20^th, 2025 at 5:39pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2025 at 5:28pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 20th, 2025 at 5:12pm: Quote: Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard in March: "Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons." https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1935388349809963480 Sounds like she is actually on the same page as everyone else. https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-board-declares-iran-breach-non-proliferation-duties-diplomats-say-2025-06-12/ IAEA board declares Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligation There is no civilian use for Uranium enriched to those levels.

Sure there is. They could use it on Israeli civilians.

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2025 at 5:55pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 20th, 2025 at 5:39pm: freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2025 at 5:28pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 20th, 2025 at 5:12pm: Quote: Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard in March: "Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons." https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1935388349809963480 Sounds like she is actually on the same page as everyone else. https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-board-declares-iran-breach-non-proliferation-duties-diplomats-say-2025-06-12/ IAEA board declares Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligation There is no civilian use for Uranium enriched to those levels. Sure there is. They could use it on Israeli civilians.

The peaceful nuclear program Iran mentions is wiping out the jews for peace.
It's a bit of the double speak muslims are famous for.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6drQmK6SoF8/maxresdefault.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0oXY4nDxE

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2025 at 8:24am:

Quote: Your 'link' is from the 12th yet see what IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi said on the 17th (reply 2). Yes I see it. Are you saying the IAEA has changed it's mind over those few days, or can you figure out the difference between the two statements? https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-board-declares-iran-breach-non-proliferation-duties-diplomats-say-2025-06-12/ IAEA board declares Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligation

Didn't read your 'link'. Wanna know why?

See here, from the 19th:

The director says,

"We did not find in Iran any elements to indicate that there is an active systematic plan to build a nuclear weapon."

He then goes on to say that Iran was not providing clarity on many activities taking place there yet,      

"at the same time we have not seen elements to allow us as inspectors to affirm that there was a nuclear weapon that was being manufactured or produced somewhere in Iran."

https://www.aljazeera.com/video/talk-to-al-jazeera/2025/6/19/iaea-chief-no-evidence-iran-is-building-a-nuclear-weapon

So hardly enough evidence to conclude that Israel was under threat of imminent attack, which is the criteria needed to launch pre-emptive strikes, as required under international law.

But since when has Israel cared about that?

And can someone explain why Israel refuses to be a part of the nuclear NPT?

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 21^st, 2025 at 10:23pm:

And can someone explain why Israel refuses to be a part of the nuclear NPT?

Can you explain why Pakistan and India who both have nuclear bombs aren't a part of the NPT?

Pakistan and India have fought numerous wars it seems muslims aren't happy there.
Pakistan was created around the same time as Israel for simliar reasons.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 21^st, 2025 at 11:37pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 21st, 2025 at 10:23pm: And can someone explain why Israel refuses to be a part of the nuclear NPT? Can you explain why Pakistan and India who both have nuclear bombs aren't a part of the NPT? Pakistan and India have fought numerous wars it seems muslims aren't happy there. Pakistan was created around the same time as Israel for simliar reasons.

We're not discussing India/Pak in this thread.

Anyone?

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 11:02pm:

Trump is showing himself to be another in the long line of Zionist stooges.

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If Iran had no intention of developing nuclear weapons, why was it enriching uranium at 60 percent when only 5 percent is required for civilian use (electricity generation)?

You don't wait until AFTER they develop one, or the world ends up with a North Korea situation when it is too late.

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 21^st, 2025 at 10:23pm:

So hardly enough evidence to conclude that Israel was under threat of imminent attack, which is the criteria needed to launch pre-emptive strikes, as required under international law.

What international law?

And what is the cutoff for "imminent" when it comes to nuclear weapons? 10 minutes before they launch?

Once a nation has them, they have them.

You don't wait until the first nuclear test happens, it is too late.

The IAEA the other day said Iran was enriching uranium at 60 percent, which is well above the 5 percent level required for a nuclear power reactor.

freediver wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2025 at 2:18pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 21st, 2025 at 10:23pm: So hardly enough evidence to conclude that Israel was under threat of imminent attack, which is the criteria needed to launch pre-emptive strikes, as required under international law. What international law?

As explained by Donald Rothwell, Professor of International Law, Australian National University:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-us-trump-operation-midnight-hammer-illegal-b2775023.html

MattE wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2025 at 3:19pm:

Once a nation has them, they have them. You don't wait until the first nuclear test happens, it is too late. The IAEA the other day said Iran was enriching uranium at 60 percent, which is well above the 5 percent level required for a nuclear power reactor.

Can you explain why Israel refuses to be a part of the NPT?

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 24^th, 2025 at 7:00am:

freediver wrote on Jun 22nd, 2025 at 2:18pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jun 21st, 2025 at 10:23pm: So hardly enough evidence to conclude that Israel was under threat of imminent attack, which is the criteria needed to launch pre-emptive strikes, as required under international law. What international law? As explained by Donald Rothwell, Professor of International Law, Australian National University: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-us-trump-operation-midnight-hammer-illegal-b2775023.html

What do you think is the cutoff for "imminent" when it comes to nuclear weapons? 10 minutes before they launch?


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Can you explain why Israel refuses to be a part of the NPT?

Probably the billion Muslims next door who want to slaughter them for being Jewish.

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2025 at 8:00am:

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 7:00am: freediver wrote on Jun 22nd, 2025 at 2:18pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jun 21st, 2025 at 10:23pm: So hardly enough evidence to conclude that Israel was under threat of imminent attack, which is the criteria needed to launch pre-emptive strikes, as required under international law. What international law? As explained by Donald Rothwell, Professor of International Law, Australian National University: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-us-trump-operation-midnight-hammer-illegal-b2775023.html What do you think is the cutoff for "imminent" when it comes to nuclear weapons? 10 minutes before they launch? Quote: Can you explain why Israel refuses to be a part of the NPT? Probably the billion Muslims next door who want to slaughter them for being Jewish.

The term "imminent" in the context of nuclear weapons is intentionally vague and lacks a precise, universally agreed-upon definition. It's a subjective judgment, often based on a combination of factors and assessments, including the readiness of nuclear forces, political tensions, and intelligence information. However, it generally signifies a high probability of imminent use within a relatively short timeframe, often measured in days or even hours.

Here's a breakdown of what "imminent" might mean in this context:

1. Readiness of Nuclear Forces: This includes factors like the alert status of nuclear forces, the availability of launch platforms (missiles, bombers, submarines), and the time it takes to prepare and execute a launch sequence.

2. Political and Military Tensions: High levels of political tension, military buildup, and aggressive rhetoric from opposing sides can increase the likelihood of nuclear weapons use. The presence of a specific triggering event, like a military attack or escalation of conflict, can also be a factor.

3. Intelligence and Assessment: Intelligence agencies play a crucial role in assessing the likelihood of nuclear use. Their analysis of an adversary's intentions, capabilities, and decision-making processes helps determine the imminence of a nuclear attack.

4. Lack of Precise Timeframe: While "imminent" suggests a short timeframe, it's not typically defined in terms of a specific number of hours or days. It's more of a qualitative judgment based on the overall situation and available information.

5. Examples in History: The Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962, is a stark example of a situation where the risk of nuclear war was perceived as high and potentially imminent, but ultimately averted.

6. Subjectivity and Context: Ultimately, the judgment of whether nuclear weapons are "imminent" is subjective and depends on the specific context of the situation.

So under international law, Iran is allowed to build nuclear weapons, calmly point them at Israel, and there is nothing we can do until we think they are about to pull the trigger?

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 24^th, 2025 at 7:01am:

MattE wrote on Jun 22nd, 2025 at 3:19pm: Once a nation has them, they have them. You don't wait until the first nuclear test happens, it is too late. The IAEA the other day said Iran was enriching uranium at 60 percent, which is well above the 5 percent level required for a nuclear power reactor. Can you explain why Israel refuses to be a part of the NPT?

https://cdn.britannica.com/37/109437-050-FC165AA8/Middle-East.jpg

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2025 at 8:00am:

Probably the billion Muslims next door who want to slaughter them for being Jewish.

Poor FD, can't see past all the hasbara.

Muslims and Jews lived together peacefully for centuries before Zionism.

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 25^th, 2025 at 6:37am:

freediver wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 8:00am: Probably the billion Muslims next door who want to slaughter them for being Jewish. Poor FD, can't see past all the hasbara. Muslims and Jews lived together peacefully for centuries before Zionism.

They live together peacefully in Israel right now.

But everywhere else in the middle east and north africa, there are almost zero Jews left, after all those centuries of "peace".

Muslims will tolerate Jews being alive in the middle east, to some extent. It is the lack of Islamic theocracy to oppress them and the fact that the Jews appear to be in charge that makes them foam at the mouth.

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2025 at 8:12am:

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 25th, 2025 at 6:37am: freediver wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 8:00am: Probably the billion Muslims next door who want to slaughter them for being Jewish. Poor FD, can't see past all the hasbara. Muslims and Jews lived together peacefully for centuries before Zionism. They live together peacefully in Israel right now.

The slave traders said much the same: Look these slaves are living unharmed.


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But everywhere else in the middle east and north africa, there are almost zero Jews left, after all those centuries of "peace".

That's because Israeli terrorists bombed them and forced them out:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1749169338/5#5



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Muslims will tolerate Jews being alive in the middle east, to some extent. It is the lack of Islamic theocracy to oppress them and the fact that the Jews appear to be in charge that makes them foam at the mouth.

No, their grievance is down to the way those Jews came to be in power, i.e. by ethnic cleansing and other crimes against humanity. And what the ultimate goal of those Jews is, i.e. Greater Israel.

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That's because Israeli terrorists bombed them and forced them out:

Wow. You are gullible. You think the Jewish conspiracy is so grand it encompasses genocide of the Jews from almost all of the middle east and north africa.


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No, their grievance is down to the way those Jews came to be in power

If that were true they would object to every other country in the middle east and north africa. They only object to Israel. Because of the Jews.


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And what the ultimate goal of those Jews is, i.e. Greater Israel.

Israel is already great. But you are right, there is no reason it cannot be improved.

Good discussion about nukes here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhesbvCesGc

freediver wrote on Jun 26^th, 2025 at 6:47pm:

Quote: That's because Israeli terrorists bombed them and forced them out: Wow. You are gullible. You think the Jewish conspiracy is so grand it encompasses genocide of the Jews from almost all of the middle east and north africa.

Wow. You are dense. Doesn't anything sink in with you?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1749169338/5#5

And here:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1749169338/7#7

And more from Israeli historian Avi Shlaim here, where he's interviewed by Chris Hedges:

Avi Shlaim: When I started work on my autobiography I came across two sources of evidence which implicate Israel in the bombings. In three out of the five bombs, one source was Yaakov Karkoukli, an elderly Iraqi friend of my mother, who was an activist in the Zionist underground, and he told me in great detail about their activities, about the bribes they paid, about the documents they forged... I now have both oral history and hard evidence and together they are incontrovertible evidence that Israel had a hand in the bombs that were intended to frighten the Jews and precipitate the exodus from Iraq to Israel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mhCEXpm1hA


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[quote]No, their grievance is down to the way those Jews came to be in power

If that were true they would object to every other country in the middle east and north africa. They only object to Israel. Because of the Jews. [/quote]

Which other country in the region was established by ethnically cleansing over 700,000 innocent people?

Which other country in the region has carried out massacres like this?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1745840322/8#8


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[quote]And what the ultimate goal of those Jews is, i.e. Greater Israel.

Israel is already great. But you are right, there is no reason it cannot be improved.[/quote]

Don't you know what the term Eretz Yisrael means?

Genesis 15:18 : To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the River Euphrates.

In his Complete Diaries, Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.”

Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared in his testimony to the U.N. Special Committee of Enquiry on 9 July 1947: “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.”

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 6:39am:

freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 6:47pm: Quote: That's because Israeli terrorists bombed them and forced them out: Wow. You are gullible. You think the Jewish conspiracy is so grand it encompasses genocide of the Jews from almost all of the middle east and north africa. Wow. You are dense. Doesn't anything sink in with you? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1749169338/5#5 And here: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1749169338/7#7

Would you like to explain, in your own words, the Jewish conspiracy to wipe out the Jews?

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 6:51am:

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 6:39am: freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 6:47pm: Quote: That's because Israeli terrorists bombed them and forced them out: Wow. You are gullible. You think the Jewish conspiracy is so grand it encompasses genocide of the Jews from almost all of the middle east and north africa. Wow. You are dense. Doesn't anything sink in with you? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1749169338/5#5 And here: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1749169338/7#7 Would you like to explain, in your own words, the Jewish conspiracy to wipe out the Jews?

Are you too lazy to do a little reading? Or couldn't you comprehend what was presented?

Anyone else finding it difficult to understand the motive for those false flags?

You are a pro terrorist

Jasin wrote on Jul 1^st, 2025 at 10:47pm:

You are a pro terrorist

Change the record.

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 1^st, 2025 at 10:45pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 6:51am: wombatwoody wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 6:39am: freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 6:47pm: Quote: That's because Israeli terrorists bombed them and forced them out: Wow. You are gullible. You think the Jewish conspiracy is so grand it encompasses genocide of the Jews from almost all of the middle east and north africa. Wow. You are dense. Doesn't anything sink in with you? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1749169338/5#5 And here: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1749169338/7#7 Would you like to explain, in your own words, the Jewish conspiracy to wipe out the Jews? Are you too lazy to do a little reading? Or couldn't you comprehend what was presented? Anyone else finding it difficult to understand the motive for those false flags?

I am not too lazy. I want to know what you think, not what you can google, or copy from lunatic fringe conspiracy websites. If you do not understand your own claims, why should anyone else try to? Your conspiracy is too stupid to put into words, which is why you are afraid to.

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2025 at 8:54am:

I am not too lazy. I want to know what you think, not what you can google, or copy from lunatic fringe conspiracy websites. If you do not understand your own claims, why should anyone else try to? Your conspiracy is too stupid to put into words, which is why you are afraid to.

Then how come you didn't see this from that link?

https://www.inminds.com/jews_of_iraq1.jpg

I write this article
for the same reason I wrote my book:
to tell the American people,
and especially American Jews,
that Jews from Islamic lands did not emigrate
willingly to Israel; that, to force them to leave,
Jews killed Jews; and that,
to buy time to confiscate ever more Arab lands,
Jews on numerous occasions
rejected genuine peace initiatives
from their Arab neighbors.
I write about what the first prime minister of Israel called "cruel Zionism."
I write about it because I was part of it.

Or this?

Avi Shlaim:  I now have both oral history and hard evidence and together they are incontrovertible evidence that Israel had a hand in the bombs that were intended to frighten the Jews and precipitate the exodus from Iraq to Israel.

Or are you calling both of them 'lunatic fringe conspiracy theorists'?

I did not follow any of your links, because none of them will shed any light on what is going on in your head, or why you are incapable of speaking for yourself. If anyone here has Jewish puppetmasters, it is you. If those links have rendered you incapable of stringing a coherent sentence together, why would anyone else waste their time on them?