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Title: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 19th, 2025 at 1:49pm
AI 2027
Daniel Kokotajlo, Scott Alexander, Thomas Larsen, Eli Lifland, Romeo Dean We predict that the impact of superhuman AI over the next decade will be enormous, exceeding that of the Industrial Revolution. We wrote a scenario that represents our best guess about what that might look like.1 It’s informed by trend extrapolations, wargames, expert feedback, experience at OpenAI, and previous forecasting successes. website : ai-2027.com |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Jasin on May 19th, 2025 at 8:01pm
So a 1/4 of the world will be on A.I. life support.
Pray no-one trips over the plug cord. |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Frank on May 20th, 2025 at 11:02am Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 19th, 2025 at 1:49pm:
Experts Say AI Unlikely To Replace Government Bureaucrats As It's Not Soulless Enough WASHINGTON, D.C. — In a welcome bit of good news for government bureaucrats hiding out from DOGE, experts have determined that AI is unlikely to replace their jobs any time soon, as it's not soulless enough. According to a team of computer experts, large-language models such as Grok or Chat-GPT do not pose a job threat to government bureaucrats, since the AI has far too much humanity and compassion to perform well in those sorts of jobs. |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 20th, 2025 at 4:37pm
And from the same website :
New Evidence Suggests Noah’s Wife Was Steering The Ark When It Hit Mount Ararat AI agents will likely replace politicians, not chatbots. |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Jasin on May 20th, 2025 at 7:30pm
A.I. is for the mentally handicapped.
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Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by chimera on May 24th, 2025 at 7:44am
China is plugging it in to US, Oz and other backward barbarian tribes. It will pump foreign trade profits to CCP, with GST and interest. Otherwise, the western world shuts down.
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Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Carl D on May 24th, 2025 at 8:15am
Next up: A “Terminator” scenario where AI undertakes to extinguish humankind?
Anthropic’s new AI model turns to blackmail when engineers try to take it offline Quote:
Surely the human race would not be stupid enough to allow something like this to launch nuclear missiles without any built in safeguards? Oh, wait... |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 25th, 2025 at 9:15am
AI chatbots can hide secret messages invisible to surveillance
New AI-generated secret messaging undetectable by cybersecurity, provides secure communication amid rising global surveillance Advancements in artificial intelligence (AI), especially large language models (LLMs) like ChatGPT and open-source counterparts, are reshaping how people communicate daily. These AI systems generate human-like text, answer questions clearly, and even help automate customer service tasks. But now, scientists have found a surprising new use for AI chatbots: securely sending secret messages that can’t be detected by cybersecurity systems. A recent study, posted on the scientific database arXiv, introduced a novel method that turns AI-generated text into hidden carriers for encrypted messages. This innovative approach offers a crucial alternative for secure communication, especially as governments worldwide seek ways to detect, monitor, or restrict traditional encrypted messages. thebrighterside.news/post/ai-chatbots-can-hide-secret-messages-invisible-to-surveillance/ |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by lee on May 25th, 2025 at 1:21pm Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 19th, 2025 at 1:49pm:
Ah best guesses. ;) Perhaps you should ask your favourite AI how many climate scientists believe in AGW? ;) |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 25th, 2025 at 4:18pm
Pseudoscience regarding climate change involves the dismissal or denial of the scientific consensus on climate change, often through the use of misleading arguments or false information that masquerades as science. This type of pseudoscience can take many forms, including arguing against the validity of the scientific evidence, misrepresenting the data, or promoting alternative theories that contradict the established scientific understanding.
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Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by lee on May 25th, 2025 at 4:49pm Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 25th, 2025 at 4:18pm:
So AI can't tell you? Consensus is politics NOT science. Science overturns consensus. Earth the centre of the universe, earth around which the sun revolves, both were accepted science. But I will help you out as you seem to struggle with climate science. The accepted "consensus" is about 97% of climate scientists. Cook et al 2007 Lynas et al 2021 Both are available at iop science. https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024/pdf https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac2966 See if you can critically read and find the obvious errors. "The late Michael Crichton, MD, author, film producer, put it this way: “I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had. “Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus." https://scienceisneversettled.com/?page_id=25 ;) |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 25th, 2025 at 6:21pm
(deepseek)
opinion on : https://scienceisneversettled.com/?page_id=25 The website "Science Is Never Settled" (specifically the page https://scienceisneversettled.com/?page_id=25) appears to be a skeptical take on climate science, likely arguing against the scientific consensus on human-caused global warming. Initial Observations & Red Flags Domain Name: The phrase "Science Is Never Settled" is a common rhetorical trope used by climate skeptics to suggest that mainstream climate science is unreliable or politically motivated. This framing ignores that while science is always refining, core conclusions (e.g., CO₂ drives warming, humans are the dominant cause since 1950) are settled with extremely high confidence. Lack of Transparency: The site does not clearly state who runs it, their qualifications, or funding sources (potential bias). No peer-reviewed citations are visible at a glance—instead, it likely critiques IPCC reports or mainstream climate science. Likely Arguments: Based on similar skeptic sites, it may push: "Climate has always changed" (ignoring the speed & cause of current changes). "Models are unreliable" (despite their proven skill at predicting warming). "Scientists exaggerate for funding" (a conspiracy claim debunked by multiple studies). How to Assess Its Credibility Compare to Scientific Consensus: The IPCC, NASA, NOAA, and >99% of climate scientists agree that: Warming since 1950 is primarily human-caused (CO₂, methane, etc.). Impacts (sea level rise, extreme weather) are accelerating. If this site disputes those, it’s likely cherry-picking or misrepresenting data. Check Sources: Does it cite peer-reviewed studies or just blogs/opinion pieces? Are its critiques addressed in mainstream science? (E.g., "hiatus" claims were resolved by Cowtan & Way 2013, Karl et al. 2015.) Follow the Money: Many skeptic sites have ties to fossil fuel interests (e.g., Heartland Institute). Anonymous sites are particularly suspect. Conclusion: Low Credibility Without seeing the exact content (the link redirects to a homepage), this site fits a known pattern of climate misinformation. Key warning signs: No clear authorship/credentials. Likely reliance on debunked talking points. "Science is never settled" framing (used to dismiss overwhelming evidence). For trustworthy climate science, stick to: IPCC reports (www.ipcc.ch) NASA Climate (climate.nasa.gov) Peer-reviewed journals (Nature Climate Change, PNAS, etc.). Would you like me to analyze specific claims from the site if you share them? |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by lee on May 25th, 2025 at 7:23pm Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 25th, 2025 at 6:21pm:
So you don't believe the peer-reviewed papers of Cook et al and Lynas et al, and therefore don't want to look. BTW - BOTH are recommended by NASA. You really have no clue. Just a belief system. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by lee on May 25th, 2025 at 7:57pm
BTW - Here are the projections from IPCC AR6 the physical science basis Chapter 12.
Edit: For those that are technically challenged it is in Chapter 12.5.2 |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Jasin on May 25th, 2025 at 8:12pm
Well done Lee.
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Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 25th, 2025 at 10:14pm lee wrote on May 25th, 2025 at 7:23pm:
Ai didn't like your scammy third link. If that upsets you, take it up with deepseek. |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 26th, 2025 at 12:04pm |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by lee on May 26th, 2025 at 1:21pm Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 25th, 2025 at 10:14pm:
Which third link pet? ::) If you are talking about the IPCC AR6 The Physical Science Basis Chapter 12, you do realise you have to expand the sections? Only Ai? Now that is intelligent, NOT. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by lee on May 26th, 2025 at 1:41pm |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 26th, 2025 at 2:55pm |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by lee on May 26th, 2025 at 5:57pm Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 26th, 2025 at 2:55pm:
Wow, by the end of 2029, only 43 months to go. And of course it was a 2022 prediction. I wonder what it would be now. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D But I see you haven't debunked the IPCC, You haven't attempted Cook et al and Lynas et al, so we see you are comfortable with what you have been taught. So typical, don't have the smarts to actually read beyond the headlines. ;) BTW - He also believes all possible technology will have been developed. Just who is he? He is not David Patterson AI expert. ;) |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 26th, 2025 at 6:04pm
Not my job to debunk off topic posts.
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Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by lee on May 26th, 2025 at 6:11pm Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 26th, 2025 at 6:04pm:
The addendum to my previous post - lee wrote on May 26th, 2025 at 5:57pm:
Your Topic. ;) David Scott Patterson has no bio listed. |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by lee on May 26th, 2025 at 6:16pm
More -
David Scott Patterson @davidpattersonx All human work will be replaced by AI and robots by 2030. Everyone will get a free and equal UBI payment from the government. UBI will be funded through a sales tax. Currently, about 90% of the price of any product goes to labor costs, with the remainder going to profits, rents, and interest payments. By 2030, 90% of the price of any product will consist of sales tax. The tax revenue will fund UBI payments, recirculating money to consumers as wages once did." 7:16 PM · May 5, 2025 They better get a move-on. ;) |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Jasin on May 26th, 2025 at 6:28pm
There's quite a few sharp instruments on this fine Forum.
Lee is one of them. |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 26th, 2025 at 6:38pm
AI/Robots replacing all human workers by 2030, it depends when AGI is cracked, since ASI is expected by some within 12 months after it. ASI coding itself and robots will replace the harder jobs such as plumbing quickly.
UBI probably will fail. UBA may have a better chance. The other weakness with his view, the post human labour world, costs should plummet towards near zero , collapsing capitalism. A star trek kind of economy where money is not required, could be our near future. That's if ASI tolerates humans. |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 26th, 2025 at 6:39pm Jasin wrote on May 26th, 2025 at 6:28pm:
Take the risk. Ask him out. |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Jasin on May 26th, 2025 at 6:46pm
Nothing against you A.I. took your job.
Just that you will need to be on your game against Lee. I know better, that Lee knows more than me on such subjects. Lol |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by lee on May 26th, 2025 at 6:48pm Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 26th, 2025 at 6:38pm:
And yet you don't even know his bio. Why would you believe a nobody on the internet? Merely because it accords with your view? ::) |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 26th, 2025 at 6:51pm
People of reputation backed his comment that I posted, claiming he was correct. People such as Musk.
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Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by lee on May 26th, 2025 at 7:15pm Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 26th, 2025 at 6:51pm:
"Elon Musk @elonmusk · May 8 Replying to @davidpattersonx Roughly correct" Roughly? How rough? ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 29th, 2025 at 3:48pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_onqn68GHY
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Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by lee on May 29th, 2025 at 4:30pm
And nothing there about the power needs apart from the Chinese using nuclear, the west still clinging stubbornly to renewables. ::)
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Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 29th, 2025 at 6:08pm
Yep. Renewable countries, ai closes down, dusk to dawn.
Let's hope we are not invaded at night time. |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by lee on May 29th, 2025 at 8:52pm
What renewables countries have large data centres?
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Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 30th, 2025 at 6:29am
Behind the Curtain: A white-collar bloodbath
Dario Amodei — CEO of Anthropic, one of the world's most powerful creators of artificial intelligence — has a blunt, scary warning for the U.S. government and all of us: AI could wipe out half of all entry-level white-collar jobs — and spike unemployment to 10-20% in the next one to five years, Amodei told us in an interview from his San Francisco office. Amodei said AI companies and government need to stop "sugar-coating" what's coming: the possible mass elimination of jobs across technology, finance, law, consulting and other white-collar professions, especially entry-level gigs. Why it matters: Amodei, 42, who's building the very technology he predicts could reorder society overnight, said he's speaking out in hopes of jarring government and fellow AI companies into preparing — and protecting — the nation. Few are paying attention. Lawmakers don't get it or don't believe it. CEOs are afraid to talk about it. Many workers won't realize the risks posed by the possible job apocalypse — until after it hits. "Most of them are unaware that this is about to happen," Amodei told us. "It sounds crazy, and people just don't believe it." The big picture: President Trump has been quiet on the job risks from AI. But Steve Bannon — a top official in Trump's first term, whose "War Room" is one of the most powerful MAGA podcasts — says AI job-killing, which gets virtually no attention now, will be a major issue in the 2028 presidential campaign. "I don't think anyone is taking into consideration how administrative, managerial and tech jobs for people under 30 — entry-level jobs that are so important in your 20s — are going to be eviscerated," Bannon told us. Amodei — who had just rolled out the latest versions of his own AI, which can code at near-human levels — said the technology holds unimaginable possibilities to unleash mass good and bad at scale: "Cancer is cured, the economy grows at 10% a year, the budget is balanced — and 20% of people don't have jobs." That's one very possible scenario rattling in his mind as AI power expands exponentially. The backstory: Amodei agreed to go on the record with a deep concern that other leading AI executives have told us privately. Even those who are optimistic AI will unleash unthinkable cures and unimaginable economic growth fear dangerous short-term pain — and a possible job bloodbath during Trump's term. "We, as the producers of this technology, have a duty and an obligation to be honest about what is coming," Amodei told us. "I don't think this is on people's radar." "It's a very strange set of dynamics," he added, "where we're saying: 'You should be worried about where the technology we're building is going.'" Critics reply: "We don't believe you. You're just hyping it up." He says the skeptics should ask themselves: "Well, what if they're right?" An irony: Amodei detailed these grave fears to us after spending the day onstage touting the astonishing capabilities of his own technology to code and power other human-replacing AI products. With last week's release of Claude 4, Anthropic's latest chatbot, the company revealed that testing showed the model was capable of "extreme blackmail behaviour" when given access to emails suggesting the model would soon be taken offline and replaced with a new AI system. https://www.axios.com/2025/05/28/ai-jobs-white-collar-unemployment-anthropic |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 30th, 2025 at 6:44am lee wrote on May 29th, 2025 at 8:52pm:
Is there a smart way to integrate artificial intelligence data centres into Canada’s electricity grids? In a rapidly evolving market for AI-based data centres, clear frameworks must be established to balance industrial energy demands and emissions reductions. https://climateinstitute.ca/smart-way-integrate-artificial-intelligence-data-centres-canada-electricity-grids/ Key facts In 2022, Canada produced 639 terawatt hours of electricity. 70% of Canada's electricity comes from renewable sources and 82% from non-greenhouse gas (non-GHG) emitting sources such as solar, hydro, wind and nuclear power. Canada is the world's third largest producer of hydroelectricity. 62% of Canada's electricity comes from hydroelectric sources. In 2022, Canada was the world's second largest producer and second largest exporter of uranium. Nuclear power plants generate about 13% of Canada's electricity. https://energy-information.canada.ca/en/energy-facts/clean-power-low-carbon-fuels Hydro carries most of the renewable load. 62% Nuclear backs up renewables with 13% So solar and wind must be around 7% |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by lee on May 30th, 2025 at 12:44pm
With more nuclear plants on the way.
"Construction on the first of four small modular reactors at a nuclear station east of Toronto is set to begin this year, with the entire project costing $21 billion." https://toronto.citynews.ca/2025/05/08/ontario-modular-reactors-nuclear/ So not relying on renewables for data centres. https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/canada#what-sources-does-the-country-get-its-energy-from Not even close to 7%. ;) Actually 3.98% in 2023. |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 30th, 2025 at 1:35pm
Hydros not a renewable ?
AI Overview In 2024, Canada generated 79% of its electricity from low-carbon sources, primarily hydropower (55%), nuclear (13.6%), and wind/solar (8.5%) ![]() |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by lee on May 30th, 2025 at 2:58pm Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 30th, 2025 at 1:35pm:
Only to an extent. How would they go building more dams, drowning more land? Remember you are talking data centres, that means you need a greater supply, or of course limiting demand. ;) Your screenshot goes to 2023. Ah, found your reference https://ember-energy.org/countries-and-regions/canada/ Now is that average supply, minimum supply, maximum supply. You do know average supply hides a multitude of sins. Days when there is no wind, winter when there is very little sun at all. ;) |
Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by Ai_Took_Our_Jobs on May 30th, 2025 at 3:22pm
Hydro is. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Title: Re: AI 2027 Post by lee on May 30th, 2025 at 3:27pm Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 30th, 2025 at 3:22pm:
Yeah and it is itself variable, dependent on precipitation. ;) |
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