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Title: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by whiteknight on May 4^th, 2025 at 5:42pm

4 May 2025 Friends Of The Earth Australia
Coalition's nuclear policy must be nuked :)
The Don’t Nuke the Climate initiative has today welcomed the clear rejection of nuclear power by Australian voters. Seven News political editor Mark Riley summed up the Coalition’s problem:

“The party that chose nuclear energy as its policy has exploded in a nuclear bomb set on them by voters tonight.” :)

The idea of domestic nuclear power is over. The Coalition now must ditch any lingering nuclear ambitions and all political parties need to move swiftly to advance a renewable energy future for our nation.

Dave Sweeney, nuclear free campaigner with the Australian Conservation Foundation, said:
“Australians have rejected nuclear power and that door is now not just closed, it is welded shut. Nuclear power is too slow, too risky and too costly – in every way.

“The economic, environmental and community advantages of renewables have been embraced by Australians. Today we are nearly half way there with around 45% of Australia’s electricity coming from renewables. Our job – and the governments mandate ‒ is to speedily, sensibly and sustainably advance the renewable energy future.

“It’s time to stop playing politics with nuclear distractions and delays. It’s time to get on with the clean energy transition, effective climate action and building an energy future that is renewable, not radioactive.”

Dr. Jim Green, national nuclear campaigner with Friends of the Earth, said:

“There is overwhelming evidence that the Coalition lost votes and seats because of its nuclear power policy.

“Polling by the Liberals Against Nuclear group demonstrated the nuclear policy’s drag on the Coalition’s vote in marginal seats and across the nation.

“Forty-six percent of voters in Peter Dutton’s electorate of Dickson said they were less likely to vote for Mr. Dutton because of the nuclear power policy.

“In 2007, the Coalition took a pro-nuclear power policy to the election but suffered a large swing against it and lost the election with leader John Howard losing his seat. Yesterday, the Coalition suffered a large swing against it and lost the election with leader Peter Dutton losing his seat.

“The lesson should be clear. The Coalition’s nuclear power policy must be buried once and for all.” :)

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Daves2017 on May 4^th, 2025 at 5:54pm

I now fully support the renewable agenda but I suggest why throw away coal completely?

It’s worked so well for so long!

Nuclear has now been put forward and voted on, it has no place in our future energy grid.

Let’s keep some coal in the grid as we iron out the new technology of renewable?

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by John Smith on May 4^th, 2025 at 5:55pm

After last nights ass kicking, I doubt nuclear will remain policy for the libs. They'll go back to bringing in lumps of coal as their new energy policy :D :D

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by John Smith on May 4^th, 2025 at 5:58pm

Daves2017 wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 5:54pm:

The problem with coal is that the generators are past their use by dates and fast approaching the end of life, No one wants to invest in new plants because they'll be obsolete before they can see a return.

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Bobby. on May 4^th, 2025 at 5:58pm

I thought Dutton got it wrong to want to build so many nuclear power stations -

it would have been nice if we had even one of them -
just so we could say we were up to date – we were a modern country -
as a status symbol not appearing as Luddites.

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Daves2017 on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:05pm

Nuclear is no longer on the agenda.

I believe investment into building at least two new coal stations should be considered.

We will still be digging coal up and selling it overseas so it’s no different to the environment.

I’m saying we need to embrace renewable resources but also keep some coal on tap ?

We have to work together now for a better future.

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Bobby. on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:43pm

At the moment – we have:
solar panels,
batteries,
hydro,
pumped hydro for storage,

and we also have coal and gas but unlike most modern countries
we don't have even one nuclear power station.

Maybe we could have built a whole nuclear industry ? -
enriching Uranium to make fuel rods and selling them overseas.

I think there has been a lack of vision towards nuclear energy here in Australia.
France gets 70% of their energy from nuclear.

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Brian Ross on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:51pm

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:43pm:

We have more than enough history with nuclear energy, most of it bad. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Bobby. on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:03pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:43pm:

We have more than enough history with nuclear energy, most of it bad. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

What history - Lucas Heights? - British nuke tests?

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Baronvonrort on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:06pm

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:43pm:

Solar doesn't work at night less sunlight hours in winter when people need heating

Wind turbines don't work if there is not enough wind to start them.

Batteries aren't going to run hospitals and industry

Do we have any pumped hydro that works? Pumped hydro consumes mre energy than it produces.

Tasmania runs on significant hydro yet this is not considered anywhere else despite being the cheapest form of renewable power. It can be turned on and off like opening a tap.
The climate grifters can't make money with it which is why it's never mentioned.

Labors net zero includes burning Gas so it can't achieve net zero despite the lies from labor.

The only way we can get net zero is more hydro or nuclear.

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Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Leroy on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:36pm

Its sad that the media have brainwashed people about nuclear power, Australia will always be the bridesmaid when it comes to manufacturing industry. No large manufacturing company will ever want to build factories in Australia due to the unstable and costly energy sector.

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Bobby. on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:45pm

Leroy wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:36pm:

And meanwhile the Chinese have made a breakthrough with a Thorium reactor:

https://www.mining.com/china-makes-thorium-based-nuclear-energy-breakthrough-using-past-us-work/

Last year, China approved the construction of the world’s first thorium molten-salt reactors in the Gobi Desert. These are larger than the one used in Xu’s project, and are expected to generate 10 megawatts of electricity starting in 2029.

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Leroy on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:50pm

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:45pm:

Leroy wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:36pm:

That is a very small load.

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Labor majority government on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:54pm

They were nevvver going to build nuclear

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Bobby. on May 4^th, 2025 at 8:00pm

Leroy wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:45pm:

Leroy wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:36pm:

That is a very small load.

It's still experimental.
There are many technical problems to iron out before they make a large reactor.
Imagine safe reactors that can't melt down? :)

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Brian Ross on May 4^th, 2025 at 10:20pm

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:43pm:

We have more than enough history with nuclear energy, most of it bad. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

What history - Lucas Heights? - British nuke tests?

Rum Jungle, Uranium Hill, Port Pirie Uranium Enrichment Plant, Montebello Island test sites, Emu Fields test sites, Maralinga test sites, Lucas Heights, amongst others, Bobby. We have a long history of Uranium mining and enrichment sites. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Bobby. on May 4^th, 2025 at 10:54pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 10:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:43pm:

We have more than enough history with nuclear energy, most of it bad. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

What history - Lucas Heights? - British nuke tests?

Rum Jungle, Uranium Hill, Port Pirie Uranium Enrichment Plant, Montebello Island test sites, Emu Fields test sites, Maralinga test sites, Lucas Heights, amongst others, Bobby. We have a long history of Uranium mining and enrichment sites. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Google AI

Australia does not currently enrich uranium. While Australia possesses significant uranium reserves, it exports the mined uranium as concentrate for enrichment and fuel production in other countries. There have been past considerations and research into enrichment capabilities in Australia, but it has not materialized due to factors like cost, skills, and non-proliferation agreements.

https://www.energymining.sa.gov.au/industry/minerals-and-mining/mining/former-mines/port-pirie-treatment-plant

Port Pirie treatment plant

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Brian Ross on May 4^th, 2025 at 11:18pm

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 10:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 10:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:43pm:

We have more than enough history with nuclear energy, most of it bad. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

What history - Lucas Heights? - British nuke tests?

Try https://nuclear.australianmap.net/port-pirie/, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Bobby. on May 4^th, 2025 at 11:25pm

yes Brian,
they made yellowcake and they also contaminated land.

They did not enrich Uranium.

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Belgarion on May 5^th, 2025 at 9:12am

The anti nuclear fear mongering has worked well on the ignorant and easily influenced. We are doomed to continue our slide into third world status. ::)

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by philperth2010 on May 5^th, 2025 at 10:30am

Belgarion wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 9:12am:

The anti nuclear fear mongering has worked well on the ignorant and easily influenced. We are doomed to continue our slide into third world status. ::)

Australia is not a third world country and is not sliding into third world status....Nuclear energy for Australia was always a gamble and was only proposed to avoid urgent action on climate change....Australia has rejected Dutton's Nuclear fantasy and claiming Australian's are ignorant to defend the failed LNP campaign is denialism 101....Ignorance and denial delivered the worst election defeat in Australia since the second world war....What a pathetic attempt to blame everyone accept the Coalition for their self inflicted defeat!!!

::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Jovial Monk on May 5^th, 2025 at 10:40am

Be good if some realistic program was drawn up and implemented because nuclear has a role in the carbon free energy mix.

Likewise, geothermal energy in the Cooper Basin needs an action plan—yes the energy may be deep and present some problems BUT it IS there! Maybe end the Snowy II scheme?

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Belgarion on May 5^th, 2025 at 10:51am

philperth2010 wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 10:30am:

Belgarion wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 9:12am:

The anti nuclear fear mongering has worked well on the ignorant and easily influenced. We are doomed to continue our slide into third world status. ::)

I agree that the coalition ran an abysmal campaign, however that does not alter the facts about nuclear power. If it was a fantasy as you claim there would not be 32 counties using it now with around 30 others in the process of developing it. The real fantasy is believing in the 'renewables' myth, as has been proven recently in Spain and Portugal. The pity is that we in Australia are being left behind because of the very effective scare campaign run by Labor and the anti-nuclear lobby.

On a related note, I was having a beer or three over the weekend with some ex navy friends, one of whom had been a nuclear power plant operator. His opinion on the irrational fear of nuclear power was interesting to say the least. Also I did a quick check and he did not have three eyes or glow in the dark, so I will take his opinion on nuclear power over that of any politician or scaremonger.

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Leroy on May 5^th, 2025 at 10:57am

philperth2010 wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 10:30am:

Belgarion wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 9:12am:

The anti nuclear fear mongering has worked well on the ignorant and easily influenced. We are doomed to continue our slide into third world status. ::)

Australia were on the verge of using nuclear power in the 80's but because we had so much coal available and the infrastructure already in place for coal it was abandoned. You will not get the high electrical usage industry into Australia due to our failing and unstable electrical systems.

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Brian Ross on May 5^th, 2025 at 11:28am

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 11:25pm:

yes Brian,
they made yellowcake and they also contaminated land.

They did not enrich Uranium.

What do you think Yellow Cake is, Bobby? It is the first stage in enrichment. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Brian Ross on May 5^th, 2025 at 11:33am

Leroy wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 10:57am:

philperth2010 wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 10:30am:

Belgarion wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 9:12am:

The anti nuclear fear mongering has worked well on the ignorant and easily influenced. We are doomed to continue our slide into third world status. ::)

Australia had no plans to use nukes in the 1980s. Its plans were in the 1960s with a nuclear plant at Jervis Bay on the NSW South Coast. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Leroy on May 5^th, 2025 at 11:40am

Brian Ross wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 11:33am:

Leroy wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 10:57am:

philperth2010 wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 10:30am:

Belgarion wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 9:12am:

The anti nuclear fear mongering has worked well on the ignorant and easily influenced. We are doomed to continue our slide into third world status. ::)

Australia had no plans to use nukes in the 1980s. Its plans were in the 1960s with a nuclear plant at Jervis Bay on the NSW South Coast. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

If you say so, but I was training at a power station in the mid 80's to run a nuclear power station.

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 5^th, 2025 at 11:54am

It would seem that Labor, and many people on this forum, have learned nothing from the debacle that recently occurred in Spain where the entire country was plunged into darkness due to a failure in the country's power grid. Investigators have said the likely cause of this nation-wide power outage was the country's over-reliance on so-called "renewable" energy sources.

I'm not saying that we should ditch solar and wind and hydro - not at all. I agree they have a role in providing energy to homes and businesses. But they simply do not provide reliable, affordable baseload electricity generation. Labor has been pig-headed in their pursuit of renewable energy to the detriment of any and all other sources of electricity generation, with the result being skyrocketing power bills for households and businesses.

The last coal power station built in Australia was commissioned in 2009 in Western Australia. It is small (a quarter of the size of the closed Liddell power station), privately owned and it is closing in 2029. Since the year 2000, there have been 13 coal power stations closed around the country, with none of them replaced, resulting in a permanent loss of capacity of 8GW to the national power grid.

We have enough coal reserves to last us for almost 200 years. I'm not saying we should built a new one next to each lake in the country. But we do need to build at least half a dozen to add much needed capacity to an overstretched national power grid. We should also have our scientists working on nuclear fusion, which doesn't have any of the harmful radiation drawbacks of nuclear fission - currently in use in nuclear power plants around the world. It is, in fact, considered one of the cleanest methods of energy generation.

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by lee on May 5^th, 2025 at 1:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 11:28am:

What do you think Yellow Cake is, Bobby? It is the first stage in enrichment.

No it is concentrated not enriched.

"Enriched uranium is a type of uranium in which the percent composition of uranium-235 (written 235U) has been increased through the process of isotope separation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_uranium

If you want to talk first steps then it is the mining. ;)

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by John Smith on May 5^th, 2025 at 2:26pm

Quote:

Nationals MPs '100 per cent' back nuclear being kept as Coalition dissects loss

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-05/nationals-keep-nuclear-coalition-review-election-2025-loss/105253116

This election saw the demise of the greens. A good outcome.

With any luck, the next election will see the nationals go extinct ... is there a more useless party anywhere?

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 5^th, 2025 at 2:36pm

I think it will come up again once the true reality of ~~'degeneratives'~~ ... sorry ... 'renewables' ......... (they degenerate from Day One and do so rapidly - besides built in China they have a chip installed so when The Fleet is off the Heads and the Disappearing Gun at La Perouse isn't in action any more - we're done once they shut off all the power) .......... comes into play, the People will realise they need a more solid and affordable alternative.... NOT capable of being remote controlled from Beijing...

Plenty of thousands of feet deep mines out there to 'store' nuclear waste in ... besides - just drop it at Maralinga - what pharken difference would it make anyway?

I'm almost certain I saw that Mustang recovered from there in full flight mode again - and it can never not be radioactive.

Meantime China and India are building HUNDREDS of coal-fired stations and nukes as well... while we dither here about a remotely possible few irradiated walkabouters out there... and pat ourselves on the backs for being climate heroes worthy of St Greta ...... while the world fills up with smog up north....

Read 'On The Beach' ..... you might imagine that means the Northern Hemisphere will go under in a cloud of smoke - cancers and lung disease and heart disease etc.... while the Southern Hemisphere is exempt....

https://earth.nullschool.net/

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by philperth2010 on May 5^th, 2025 at 2:54pm

Belgarion wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 10:51am:

philperth2010 wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 10:30am:

Belgarion wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 9:12am:

The anti nuclear fear mongering has worked well on the ignorant and easily influenced. We are doomed to continue our slide into third world status. ::)

Do you have any evidence it was renewable energy that caused the power outage in Spain and Portugal....Sounds like a scare campaign from the Nuclear lobby???

:-? :-? :-?

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Bobby. on May 5^th, 2025 at 2:55pm

lee wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 1:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 11:28am:

What do you think Yellow Cake is, Bobby? It is the first stage in enrichment.

Brian doesn't know. ::)

Uranium has only 0.7% if the isotope U235 in it. (the rest is U238)

It has to be enriched to at least 4% U235 to be usable for fuel rods.

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Leroy on May 5^th, 2025 at 2:57pm

philperth2010 wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 2:54pm:

Do you have any evidence it was renewable energy that caused the power outage in Spain and Portugal....Sounds like a scare campaign from the Nuclear lobby???

:-? :-? :-?

Do you have any evidence of that???

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Bobby. on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:09pm

Leroy wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 2:57pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 2:54pm:

Do you have any evidence it was renewable energy that caused the power outage in Spain and Portugal....Sounds like a scare campaign from the Nuclear lobby???

:-? :-? :-?

Do you have any evidence of that???

https://corporate.dw.com/en/fact-check-was-the-iberian-blackout-caused-by-too-much-solar-power/a-72415376

Claim: "Renewables, in this case solar, have just caused the first major #power outage in Spain,
specifically due to an oversupply of solar," an alleged physicist with a German account, posted on X, formerly Twitter, garnering almost 100,000 views (as of 30.04.2025, 16:40).

The user refered to Fritz Vahrenholt, a German chemistry professor and manager, who is critical of energy transition efforts and had explained in another post on X, which attracted more than 400,000 views, that before the grid failure in Spain, the production of renewable energies, especially solar, had increased more than demand.

DW fact check: Unproven

The cause of the power outage has not been conclusively clarified. It is correct that at the time of the blackout, solar energy provided around 60% (19.3 GW) of the power available in the Spanish grid. Moreover, it appears that solar power plants dominated electricity production in the southwest of Spain.

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Belgarion on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:10pm

philperth2010 wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 2:54pm:

Do you have any evidence it was renewable energy that caused the power outage in Spain and Portugal....Sounds like a scare campaign from the Nuclear lobby???

:-? :-? :-?

The politicians and renewables interests are trying desperately to avoid saying the cause was over reliance on renewables, but the word twisting can't hide the truth.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-world/spains-push-net-zero-backfires-crippling-power-outage-across-two-nations

https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/what-caused-spain-and-portugals-massive-power-outage/]

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250429-what-caused-spain-portugal-sweeping-power-outage-blackout

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by lee on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:10pm

philperth2010 wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 2:54pm:

Do you have any evidence it was renewable energy that caused the power outage in Spain and Portugal.

Since they are still investigating? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by John Smith on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:22pm

Belgarion wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:10pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 2:54pm:

Do you have any evidence it was renewable energy that caused the power outage in Spain and Portugal....Sounds like a scare campaign from the Nuclear lobby???

:-? :-? :-?

the first link is fox, an organisation that said it's customers should know that it lies, so I didn't bother checking

the second link is an organisation that relies on donations from industry, so they'll say whatever they are paid to say

the third link says the cause is unknown

you'll have to do better if you expect anyone to take you seriously

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Labor majority government on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:30pm

Keep it going , was always good for a giggle

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:31pm

John Smith wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:22pm:

Belgarion wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:10pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 2:54pm:

Do you have any evidence it was renewable energy that caused the power outage in Spain and Portugal....Sounds like a scare campaign from the Nuclear lobby???

:-? :-? :-?

Go - tell that to the 'judge' who hung Bruce on an assumption without any evidence.

Naivety is not necessarily stupidity - but it sure helps in your case...

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:35pm

Reads to me that the GRID - a huge and upcoming issue HERE - was the basic cause.

Now then - whether it's 'renewables' of nuclear - the stories are that the grid is not able to hold the loads... it needs a lot more than a puff of hot air from Cambra to fix it.... and wow - I thought it was a private concern these days..... so why should WE - the taxpayer be paying for it?

I guess the government may have to resume it and do it properly - that'll create some jobs for a while!!

Pity about that Chain Home of nukes along the Murray - we can't just blow Victoria off of Australia now... crack it off and let it slip away into the Antarctic Ocean... cool story, bro ...

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by philperth2010 on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:38pm

lee wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:10pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 2:54pm:

Do you have any evidence it was renewable energy that caused the power outage in Spain and Portugal.

Since they are still investigating?

Exactly....The cause of the blackout is still being investigated....However some posters believe they have already found the answer and placed blame!!!

::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Brian Ross on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:45pm

Nationals MPs '100 per cent' back nuclear being kept as Coalition dissects loss :o

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by lee on May 5^th, 2025 at 4:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:45pm:

Nationals MPs '100 per cent' back nuclear being kept as Coalition dissects loss :o

And? ::)

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Belgarion on May 5^th, 2025 at 6:07pm

John Smith wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:22pm:

Belgarion wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:10pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 2:54pm:

Do you have any evidence it was renewable energy that caused the power outage in Spain and Portugal....Sounds like a scare campaign from the Nuclear lobby???

:-? :-? :-?

You did not actually read the references then. ::).

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by lee on May 5^th, 2025 at 6:16pm

Belgarion wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 6:07pm:

You did not actually read the references then.

You expected reading AND comprehension? ::)

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 8^th, 2025 at 7:18am

Here is an uncomfortable truth - in glaring headlines!

Tiny Australia contributes 4.5% to
world pollution/climate change!!!

Harsh truth:-

"Australia has a global carbon footprint that far exceeds its economic size and population - and is responsible for around 4.5% of global fossil carbon dioxide emissions, with 80% of those emissions coming from its fossil fuel exports, according to a new analysis released by Climate Analytics Australia today."

Simple - to cut down on its comparatively (there's that word for dividie again) over-heavy carbon 'footprint' - the only way forward for Australia is not 'renewables' and 'electric cars' - but to stop exporting fossil fuels!!

Kinda makes you wish you'd signed up for the three-headed Murray Cod, don' it?

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Frank on May 17^th, 2025 at 12:47pm

Belgarion wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 6:07pm:

John Smith wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:22pm:

Belgarion wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:10pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 2:54pm:

Do you have any evidence it was renewable energy that caused the power outage in Spain and Portugal....Sounds like a scare campaign from the Nuclear lobby???

:-? :-? :-?

You did not actually read the references then. ::).

Spain is running its national power grid in “strengthened mode”, using more nuclear and natural gas in place of the renewables it vaunted before last month’s historic blackout, but still hasn’t said what started the outage.

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 18^th, 2025 at 8:00am

I'm looking for shares in nuclear power startup companies right now..........................

Nuclear policy must be fully reviewed and considered.... this is not a party comment - it is a real world comment...

Australia is ruined - we - the people - need to start somewhere in taking back the billabong to drain it.... and it will not happen overnight - it took fifty years of mismanagement to wreck the joint - we can't just bulldoze the ruins and build over them - I can promise you nothing but sweat, blood, tears, and cash costs - with many of you overweight young folk losing some weight for a change - before Australia sees the light of day again...

How do YOU propose we go about finding the money to rebuild Australia once we put a stop to the insane mass immigration? Raise taxes as you central governists always demand? Do a Victoria and borrow borrow borrow (not Brian Boru, either) for the same result??

Oh - I get it - you WANT it all - but like an Abo - you want someone else to pay for it all!! Sorry I interrupted you.....

All you young pricks and conts wallowing in self-pity and luxury should be out there with a pick and shovel..... instead of whining about how your Elders worked like dogs instead of 'having a career sitting on their arse' like you and imagining you are hard done by because you don't instantly have the best paying jobs- as the sheilas are doing and have done for years now...... your heroic forebears of The Second Greatest Generation - who built on the work and sacrifice of TGG - worked like dogs to have hopefully a home of their own and thus be 'rich' - while you bustards - like Abos - just want it all handed to you for nothing.

YOU want to sit on your arse and whine about it all day like a whinging Abo and have it all handed to you for no work - just like some sheila.

Hey - kanga!! Aren't Mummy and Daddy and Granny and Grampa, who worked in Stygian conditions in many cases, and who had fewer children during The Enlightenment that 'freed' women (to go into servitude alongside men) etc (Christ - you lot are stupid - you demand everything all ways at once - no wonder you can't work out if you're a man or a woman) - going to leave you enough in their wills?

You poor little bastard... you must be an orphan....

https://www.ansto.gov.au/our-science/nuclear-technologies/reactor-systems/advanced-reactors

Which do you want StupidKanga? Women to stay home and have more children and make a good job of it and a return of the Good Old Days? Or your 'freedom' to sit around all day and rant about Boomers and blame everyone but yourself for your own lack of action and ability to DO anything?

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Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Setanta on Jun 16^th, 2025 at 2:16pm

World Bank Lifts Ban on Funding Nuclear Energy in Boost To Industry

The World Bank is lifting its decades-long ban on financing nuclear energy, in a policy shift aimed at accelerating development of the low-emissions technology to meet surging electricity demand in the developing world. From a report:
In an email to staff on Wednesday, Ajay Banga, the World Bank president, said it would "begin to re-enter the nuclear energy space" [non-paywalled source] in partnership with the International Atomic Energy Agency, the UN nuclear watchdog which works to prevent proliferation of nuclear weapons.

"We will support efforts to extend the life ofÂexisting reactors in countries that already have them, and help support grid upgrades andÂrelated infrastructure," the email said. The shift follows advocacy from the pro-nuclear Trump administration and a change of government in Germany, which previously opposed financing atomic energy due to domestic political opposition to the technology. It is part of a wider strategy aimed at tackling an expected doubling of electricity demand in the developing world by 2035. Meeting this demand would require annual investment in generation, grids and storage to rise from $280 billion today to $630 billion, Banga said in the memo seen by the Financial Times.

https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/25/06/12/0947224/world-bank-lifts-ban-on-funding-nuclear-energy-in-boost-to-industry

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Frank on Jun 16^th, 2025 at 6:12pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 10:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:43pm:

We have more than enough history with nuclear energy, most of it bad. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

What history - Lucas Heights? - British nuke tests?

We are not talking about nuclear BOMBS, cockwomble.

Wake up.

Title: Re: Coalition's Nuclear Policy Must Be Nuked
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 16^th, 2025 at 9:16pm

Frank wrote on Jun 16^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 10:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 7:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 6:43pm:

We have more than enough history with nuclear energy, most of it bad. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

What history - Lucas Heights? - British nuke tests?

We are not talking about nuclear BOMBS, cockwomble.

Wake up.

You know, I wish you'd Take your own advice, sometimes, Soren. We were discussing the past history of Australia with Uranium mining and use. The Atomic tests fit into that very well. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)