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Message started by whiteknight on Apr 14th, 2025 at 12:53pm

Title: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by whiteknight on Apr 14th, 2025 at 12:53pm
Dutton’s son says he ‘can’t afford a house’
New Daily
Apr 14, 2025




Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has brought his 20-year-old son to a press conference to highlight Australia’s housing woes.

“I am saving up for a house and so is my sister, Bec, and a lot of my mates,” Harry Dutton, who has been travelling on the Coalition campaign bus, told journalists in Brisbane on Monday.


“As you’ve probably heard, it’s almost impossible to get in, in the current state. So I mean we’re saving like mad but it doesn’t look like we’ll get there in the near future.”

Dutton senior, who has a notable sideline in property transactions going back decades, refused to commit to helping his children into properties of their own.

“You brought your own son Harry out here, he spoke about how hard it is to save for a deposit. So in that case, you’re doing pretty well yourself. Why won’t you support him a bit and give him a bit of help with getting his house?” a journalist asked.

“I haven’t finished the excellent points I was making,” Dutton said.

“The next point as to why people should vote Liberal is we can manage the economy well. Labor always trash the economy, which is why we have had almost two years of households going backwards under this government. Australians can’t afford three more years of Labor. Now, is there another one over here? Just behind you.”

Monday’s developments came as both major parties pressed ahead with generous revamped housing sweeteners, despite concerns from economists that billions of dollars will be wasted in a vote-buying exercise.

At its campaign launch on Sunday the Coalition announced it would make interest payments on the first $650,000 of a mortgage tax deductible for first-home buyers.

That could save the average first-home buyer $10,000 a year.


But the plan has few friends among economists, who say it would disproportionately benefit high-income earners, push up house prices up increasing demand, and blow a hole in the federal budget.

Grattan Institute chief executive Aruna Sathanapally said the policy was likely to cost taxpayers $1.25 billion in forgone revenue across four years and was not money well spent.

Dutton side-stepped economists’ concerns the plan only drive up prices and disproportionately benefit higher income earners, arguing it would help boost housing supply.

“It’s going to encourage construction, which is really important,” he earlier told Seven’s Sunrise program.

“This is the best opportunity for young Australians to achieve home ownership. The Labor Party wants people to be renters for life. I want people to get into housing as quickly as possible. I want to be the prime minister for home ownership and housing accessibility.”


Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said the policy meant renters would be “subsidising the mortgages of homeowners across Australia” as they struggled to get into the market.





Labor, meanwhile, has announced it will allow people to secure a mortgage with only a 5 per cent deposit with the government going guarantor.

It also pledged to build 100,000 new homes for first-home buyers under a $10 billion plan unveiled at its campaign launch in Perth.

Albanese started Monday at a housing development project in Adelaide to spruik his policies alongside top ministers and South Australian Premier Peter Malinauskas.

“These two policies will make a significant difference to increasing supply but also importantly, to getting first-home buyers and particularly young Australians into their first home,” he said.

Treasurer Jim Chalmers denied Labor’s deposit policy would encourage people to borrow more and risk defaults on their loans, leaving taxpayers potentially on the hook.

“We know from the existing program that there has been an absolutely minuscule amount of defaults on these debts,” he told ABC TV.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:08pm

whiteknight wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 12:53pm:
Dutton’s son says he ‘can’t afford a house’
New Daily
Apr 14, 2025


Yes, and both Labor and the Coalition are ignoring the fact that many people will NEVER be able to afford to buy a house, in Oz's overpriced housing  market.

Hence the need for an Oz government to restore the  public housing sector,  with rents which are affordable for low income people.   

If you want to enable the  "Australian Dream"  (home ownership) in an overpriced market, you will only end up enriching rent-seekers, while low income people desperately seek somewhere to rent,  because the Lab-Lib schemes combined with capital gains and negative gearing tax breaks will only increase demand, not supply. 








Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Gordon on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:52pm
Why should Dutton's son be considered differently to any other kid in Australia who wants to get on the property ladder?

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Bobby. on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm

It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:04pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg


Correct; many don't even have $50K in super, which Dutton wants then to raid in his hair-brained   private- sector only schemes. 

Deplorable.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Gordon on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:14pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg


My daughter (18) has been working for about 4 years now. Checkout, then when she got her surf bronze she worked as a pool lifeguard on an adult wage, $40/hr. Now in 1st year uni she's tutoring school kids, doing about 15-20 hours a week on $60/hr.

She's an absolute tight arse and will get the bus over an Uber wherever possible and keeps her personal spending to am absolute minimum.

Her share portfolio is getting close to $80k. She's saved and invested just about every cent she's earned and the cash gifts for birthdays/christmas.


Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by John Smith on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:16pm
If his son wants a house, he should do what the former lib treasurer told others Aussies to do .... ask his father

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:30pm

Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:14pm:
[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1744599208/3#3 date=1744602949]
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg

My daughter (18) has been working for about 4 years now.


Your error: not everyone is as gifted as your daughter.

That's why we need a public housing sector, to ensure  affordable rentals for low income groups, in an outrageously overpriced private housing market.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:57pm
I am singularly under-inspired by the style of politicianing that relies largely or exclusively on putting down the opponent(s) instead of promoting real and reliable positives for the future of this country first and foremost......

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:59pm

Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg


My daughter (18) has been working for about 4 years now. Checkout, then when she got her surf bronze she worked as a pool lifeguard on an adult wage, $40/hr. Now in 1st year uni she's tutoring school kids, doing about 15-20 hours a week on $60/hr.

She's an absolute tight arse and will get the bus over an Uber wherever possible and keeps her personal spending to am absolute minimum.

Her share portfolio is getting close to $80k. She's saved and invested just about every cent she's earned and the cash gifts for birthdays/christmas.


Clearly her parents pay for her upkeep....

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Gordon on Apr 14th, 2025 at 3:09pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:59pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg


My daughter (18) has been working for about 4 years now. Checkout, then when she got her surf bronze she worked as a pool lifeguard on an adult wage, $40/hr. Now in 1st year uni she's tutoring school kids, doing about 15-20 hours a week on $60/hr.

She's an absolute tight arse and will get the bus over an Uber wherever possible and keeps her personal spending to am absolute minimum.

Her share portfolio is getting close to $80k. She's saved and invested just about every cent she's earned and the cash gifts for birthdays/christmas.


Clearly her parents pay for her upkeep....


Of course, but from the very first day of uni I'm still happy to feed and house her, but she looks after herself for everything else.

She even filled up the car yesterday!

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 14th, 2025 at 9:25pm

Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 3:09pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:59pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg


My daughter (18) has been working for about 4 years now. Checkout, then when she got her surf bronze she worked as a pool lifeguard on an adult wage, $40/hr. Now in 1st year uni she's tutoring school kids, doing about 15-20 hours a week on $60/hr.

She's an absolute tight arse and will get the bus over an Uber wherever possible and keeps her personal spending to am absolute minimum.

Her share portfolio is getting close to $80k. She's saved and invested just about every cent she's earned and the cash gifts for birthdays/christmas.


Clearly her parents pay for her upkeep....


Of course, but from the very first day of uni I'm still happy to feed and house her, but she looks after herself for everything else.

She even filled up the car yesterday!


You are still making the error of judging everyone by her capacities, and her home environment.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Bobby. on Apr 14th, 2025 at 9:28pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg


Correct; many don't even have $50K in super, which Dutton wants then to raid in his hair-brained   private- sector only schemes. 

Deplorable.



It's mass, uncontrolled immigration.

Millions more are on their way.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Dnarever on Apr 14th, 2025 at 10:05pm

Quote:
Dutton has brought his 20-year-old son to a press conference


Now this is the relevant part.

Anyone surprised that Dummo rolls his children out for his political advantage ?

Mr Potato head has churned over 6 houses and made over $6 Million in profits. He has been in at least 3 Liberal governments where house prices have increased in the 80% range. The Albo Government has seen lower housing increases than any government that Dumbo has been in.

Funny that a guy who makes millions on housing deals has just now discovered that homes are expensive.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by John Smith on Apr 15th, 2025 at 7:36am
If Mr potato with a $30m property portfolio and a total estimated worth of $300m, won't even help his son buy a house, why would any sane person expect him to help any other Australian battlers? :D :D

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by KangAnon on Apr 15th, 2025 at 9:41am
Dutton was quick to use his son as a prop and, when it backfired, quick to ignore questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du8PiI4m7qk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue1KpU6tvf8

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by John Smith on Apr 15th, 2025 at 9:45am

KangAnon wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 9:41am:
Dutton was quick to use his son as a prop and, when it backfired, quick to ignore questions:



says a lot that he was willing to publicly use his son for political gain ... and none of what it says is good

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Bobby. on Apr 15th, 2025 at 9:49am

Dutton made a big mistake  - he's super rich and

if he lets his own son suffer then what will he do to people he doesn't know?

It's an own goal.   ::)

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Leroy on Apr 15th, 2025 at 9:50am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg


This is not true Bobby, my two boys saved and bought houses and almost all of their friends have bought houses. I can name at least a dozen young people I know that have bought houses in the last 2.5 years. One young man I know is saving to buy his second house.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Bobby. on Apr 15th, 2025 at 9:53am

Leroy wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 9:50am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg


This is not true Bobby, my two boys saved and bought houses and almost all of their friends have bought houses. I can name at least a dozen young people I know that have bought houses in the last 2.5 years. One young man I know is saving to buy his second house.



Some reading for you:

https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/why-australia-s-housing-crisis-has-gone-global-20240506-p5fp42

Households are going backwards in 13 developed economies,
including Australia, as record immigration runs into a housing crisis.




And then there are blogs:

https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2024/08/19/alan-kohler-australia-immigration-housing-crisis

How Australia’s broken immigration system caused a housing crisis

Alan Kohler

Aug 19, 2024, updated Aug 19, 2024

One of the most important causes of Australia’s housing affordability crisis is excess immigration over many years, and the problem with immigration is that the government doesn’t control it.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Bobby. on Apr 15th, 2025 at 10:14am
Dutton has poor judgment
he can't see through other people's eyes.

If Dutton won't help his own family, what's the chance that he will help anyone else?

The reality is that was all a set up for propaganda purposes and it backfired.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Aquarius on Apr 15th, 2025 at 10:40am

Quote:
Bobby:

It's mass, uncontrolled immigration.

Millions more are on their way.


Absolutely.  The data is really scary for those Australians trying to get on the housing ladder.  It is becoming more unachievable every year since the pandemic and prices have doubled and tripled in that time.  However it's a no brainer that Dutton can and will give his kid one of his investment houses. There is no way that kid will be renting.   

From: The Institute of Public Affairs (16 August 2024)

“New ABS data confirms the federal government’s massive unplanned migration surge continues unabated. It is sending our economy backwards and risks further undermining social cohesion,” said Daniel Wild, Deputy Executive Director of the Institute of Public Affairs.

The IPA’s analysis of the Australian Bureau of Statistics’ new data on long term and permanent arrivals and departures has established: (charts over page)

In the 2023-24 financial year, a total of 1.1 million new migrants entered Australia, which is the highest in recorded history, and is the second year in a row where more than one million migrants have entered the country.

Net permanent and long-term arrivals for the 2023-24 financial year was also the highest in recorded history, at 469,140.

Australia’s out-of-control migration intake outstripped the required construction of new dwellings and led to an immediate shortfall of over 24,000 homes last financial year, when considered on the average sized household basis of 2.5 persons.

The number of net migrants has by far outstripped housing approvals. Dwelling approvals in the financial year ending 2024 added up to 163,317 units. This means there were some 305,000 more net migrants than new dwellings approved.

“Net arrivals and departures data is a leading indicator of the net overseas migration data, and no matter which way you look at it, the federal government has broken its promise to Australians to rein in out-of-control migration,” said Mr Wild.

“The out-of-control migration intake is a key driver in Australia’s housing and inflation crisis. It is placing unsustainable pressure on our current social and economic infrastructure, has not solved worker shortages, and is leaving Australians worse off.”

“Australia has and always will be a welcoming country, but the federal government is setting Australia up for economic and social failure. With no plan on how to provide housing and critical social services for new arrivals and first home buyers alike, it is a recipe for disaster,” said Mr Wild.

Previous research by the IPA revealed the Australian economy has undergone a fundamental shift from sustainable, productivity-led growth to population-led growth. Throughout the 1990s, population growth only accounted for one third of total economic growth. In 2023, population growth accounted for 85 per cent of total economic growth.

“Today, Australians are in an unprecedented per capita recession. Coupled with the federal government’s addiction to economic growth driven primarily by out-of-control migration, it is making living standards worse,” said Mr Wild.

“Every day, mainstream Australians are feeling the hip pocket pain caused by the federal government’s lazy, migration-driven growth agenda. While the overall size of the economic pie may be growing, Australians are getting an ever-smaller slice.”


ipa.org.au/publications-ipa/media-releases/latest-abs-data-shows-a-record-1-1-million-migrants


Why has Labor so willingly presided over this housing mess of their own making?   




Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Sir lastnail on Apr 15th, 2025 at 10:43am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 9:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg


Correct; many don't even have $50K in super, which Dutton wants then to raid in his hair-brained   private- sector only schemes. 

Deplorable.



It's mass, uncontrolled immigration.

Millions more are on their way.


To help push up house prices even more !!

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Sir lastnail on Apr 15th, 2025 at 10:47am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 9:49am:
Dutton made a big mistake  - he's super rich and

if he lets his own son suffer then what will he do to people he doesn't know?

It's an own goal.   ::)


Typical liberal. Wouldn't give anyone including his own family the steam off his sh.t and this is the same dude that wants you to save on electricity prices by getting tax payers to fork out 600 bill for some nukes in exchange for some secret backhanders and shares from GE or Westinghouse in America. Yeh right Dutton :D LOL

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Bobby. on Apr 15th, 2025 at 10:52am

Aquarius wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 10:40am:
ipa.org.au/publications-ipa/media-releases/latest-abs-data-shows-a-record-1-1-million-migrants

Why has Labor so willingly presided over this housing mess of their own making?   


Good article thanks - is that a blog?
Daniel Wild is a Liberal for Spence:
https://danielforspence.com.au/

I don't understand why Labor has done it.
Albo hasn't explained himself.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Aquarius on Apr 15th, 2025 at 11:52am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 10:52am:

Aquarius wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 10:40am:
ipa.org.au/publications-ipa/media-releases/latest-abs-data-shows-a-record-1-1-million-migrants

Why has Labor so willingly presided over this housing mess of their own making?   


Good article thanks - is that a blog?
Daniel Wild is a Liberal for Spence:
https://danielforspence.com.au/

I don't understand why Labor has done it.
Albo hasn't explained himself.


I don't understand it either.   >:(

And no, it's not a blog.  It's from the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) where Daniel Wild currently works as the Deputy Executive Director.

I didn't know that he is standing as a candidate for parliament so I wish him well.  We desperately need people like him who understand very clearly what is going wrong in our housing sector and that is uncontrolled immigration!  Neither Labor nor Libs will address this elephant in the room that is so negatively impacting on ordinary Australians ... the ones who don't have a Peter Dutton dad to make sure they will never have to rent.

The purpose of the IPA, is to fight to maintain the Australian way of life. So this is a fight he hopes to continue in our parliament.  Every renter and would be home owner will hope that he is elected. 

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by aquascoot on Apr 15th, 2025 at 12:33pm

Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg


My daughter (18) has been working for about 4 years now. Checkout, then when she got her surf bronze she worked as a pool lifeguard on an adult wage, $40/hr. Now in 1st year uni she's tutoring school kids, doing about 15-20 hours a week on $60/hr.

She's an absolute tight arse and will get the bus over an Uber wherever possible and keeps her personal spending to am absolute minimum.

Her share portfolio is getting close to $80k. She's saved and invested just about every cent she's earned and the cash gifts for birthdays/christmas.



Awesome Gordon, having a kid like that should make you super proud

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Gordon on Apr 15th, 2025 at 1:12pm
Parents gifting their kids a house deposit is the worst thing they can do, unless they are morons or disabled.


Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by aquascoot on Apr 15th, 2025 at 1:45pm

Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 1:12pm:
Parents gifting their kids a house deposit is the worst thing they can do, unless they are morons or disabled.



I think kids nowadays do face a tougher climb.
I would not gift them cash but maybe match what they save.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by John Smith on Apr 15th, 2025 at 1:57pm
also worth mentioning that mr potato jnr is still an apprentice ...  apprentices typically struggle to get mortgages

and as an apprentice, he's got bugger all in his super, so maybe he can explain how his dads policy helps him get a home sooner?

:D :D :D

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by KangAnon on Apr 15th, 2025 at 2:05pm

Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 1:12pm:
Parents gifting their kids a house deposit is the worst thing they can do, unless they are morons or disabled.


Do people genuinely understand what it’s like out there for young people right now?

Let’s talk about a hypothetical couple trying to buy in the outer suburbs of Sydney. Already, that scenario is optimistic. If you’re single, forget it, unless you’re living with your parents into your 30s, this isn’t even on the table. But let’s entertain the couple scenario, both working full-time and renting while trying to scrape together a deposit for a modest unit.

The median unit price in Sydney sits around $830,000 based on 2024-25 figures, but for the sake of clean maths, let’s round down to $800,000.

To get a foot in the door:

20% deposit: $160,000

Stamp duty: ~$30,000 (a bit less if you qualify for first-home buyer concessions)

Legal, inspections, and misc.: ~$10,000

So you're looking at a $200,000 upfront target, just to have the bank acknowledge your existence.

Now take the average full-time wage:

Around $101,400 per person before tax

Combined: $202,800 before tax, which after tax and Medicare nets you about $150,000-160,000

Then it becomes a question of time:

5 years: $40,000 per year or $20,000 each

7 years: ~$28,500 per year or ~$14,250 each

That’s 18-25% of their entire take-home pay, committed to savings alone.

Now layer in the rent. Average rent is around $775 per week:

$775 × 52 = $40,300 per year just to have a roof over your head while you save

So let’s say they’re taking home $160k, rent eats $40k, savings need another $40k (if you’re aiming for 5 years). That leaves them with $80,000 per year, or $1,536 per week, for everything else.

Sounds fine on paper? Not when you break it down:

Groceries: $250-$300

Utilities: $100-$130

Internet & Phone: $40-$55

Transport: $150-$200

Health & medical: $80-$120

Insurance: $50-$100

Entertainment & dining: $100-$150

Miscellaneous: $100-$150

Weekly total: $870-$1,205

Their budget it $1,536 per week.

This is what “making it work” looks like, no margin for error. It assumes you never get sick, never need to replace a car, never get laid off. No inflation. No disasters. No family. No joy.

You’re not living, you’re existing. A glorified spreadsheet cell, working to feed the mortgage-industrial complex.

It wasn’t like this for us. I bought my first place solo, living in a share house, working part-time while studying. I had no real life, sure, but it was doable. The property I bought? $150,000. Today, according to Domain, it’s estimated at $1.2 million.

This isn't some abstract shift, it's a 25-year transformation of the economy into something far more hostile to young people trying to establish a foundation. And no, telling them to “just save” is not helpful, it’s patronising.

If you're in a position to help your kids break out of the rental trap and into ownership and you choose not to, that’s not just a personal decision, it’s a moral one. It shows exactly what kind of parent, and citizen, you are.

The worst thing isn’t failing to help. It’s climbing the housing ladder yourself, then pulling it up behind you while telling the next generation they should have just climbed faster. That’s Peter Dutton’s approach. Just save harder, cut back on Netflix, skip smashed avo, as if that’s the problem.

Back then, even when we were saving, we still got to live. We still had holidays, dinners out, a semblance of balance. Young people today aren’t even being offered that. They’re being asked to sacrifice everything just to maybe afford a 2-bedroom unit 90 minutes from work.

The game has changed, and pretending it hasn’t is just cruelty disguised as wisdom.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Bobby. on Apr 15th, 2025 at 2:11pm

Aquarius wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 11:52am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 10:52am:

Aquarius wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 10:40am:
ipa.org.au/publications-ipa/media-releases/latest-abs-data-shows-a-record-1-1-million-migrants

Why has Labor so willingly presided over this housing mess of their own making?   


Good article thanks - is that a blog?
Daniel Wild is a Liberal for Spence:
https://danielforspence.com.au/

I don't understand why Labor has done it.
Albo hasn't explained himself.


I don't understand it either.   >:(

And no, it's not a blog.  It's from the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) where Daniel Wild currently works as the Deputy Executive Director.

I didn't know that he is standing as a candidate for parliament so I wish him well.  We desperately need people like him who understand very clearly what is going wrong in our housing sector and that is uncontrolled immigration!  Neither Labor nor Libs will address this elephant in the room that is so negatively impacting on ordinary Australians ... the ones who don't have a Peter Dutton dad to make sure they will never have to rent.

The purpose of the IPA, is to fight to maintain the Australian way of life. So this is a fight he hopes to continue in our parliament.  Every renter and would be home owner will hope that he is elected. 



Labor holds Spence by 12.5% so Daniel Wild is only a candidate.

https://www.tallyroom.com.au/aus2025/spence2025

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by buzzanddidj on Apr 15th, 2025 at 7:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:



Especially, if like the Dutton junior, you're being paid  $632.33 per week as a 20 year old carpentry apprentice
MOST 20 year old carpentry apprentices can't afford to buy lunch, let alone take a few weeks to go on a road trip with Dad.




Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 15th, 2025 at 8:02pm
One shouldn't mix politics with one's kids.  Dutton has done both.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Dnarever on Apr 15th, 2025 at 8:14pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 8:02pm:
One shouldn't mix politics with one's kids.  Dutton has done both.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


What would you expect from a disgraced racist x piggly wiggly

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Leroy on Apr 15th, 2025 at 8:22pm

KangAnon wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 2:05pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 1:12pm:
Parents gifting their kids a house deposit is the worst thing they can do, unless they are morons or disabled.


Do people genuinely understand what it’s like out there for young people right now?

Let’s talk about a hypothetical couple trying to buy in the outer suburbs of Sydney. Already, that scenario is optimistic. If you’re single, forget it, unless you’re living with your parents into your 30s, this isn’t even on the table. But let’s entertain the couple scenario, both working full-time and renting while trying to scrape together a deposit for a modest unit.

The median unit price in Sydney sits around $830,000 based on 2024-25 figures, but for the sake of clean maths, let’s round down to $800,000.

To get a foot in the door:

20% deposit: $160,000

Stamp duty: ~$30,000 (a bit less if you qualify for first-home buyer concessions)

Legal, inspections, and misc.: ~$10,000

So you're looking at a $200,000 upfront target, just to have the bank acknowledge your existence.

Now take the average full-time wage:

Around $101,400 per person before tax

Combined: $202,800 before tax, which after tax and Medicare nets you about $150,000-160,000

Then it becomes a question of time:

5 years: $40,000 per year or $20,000 each

7 years: ~$28,500 per year or ~$14,250 each

That’s 18-25% of their entire take-home pay, committed to savings alone.

Now layer in the rent. Average rent is around $775 per week:

$775 × 52 = $40,300 per year just to have a roof over your head while you save

So let’s say they’re taking home $160k, rent eats $40k, savings need another $40k (if you’re aiming for 5 years). That leaves them with $80,000 per year, or $1,536 per week, for everything else.

Sounds fine on paper? Not when you break it down:

Groceries: $250-$300

Utilities: $100-$130

Internet & Phone: $40-$55

Transport: $150-$200

Health & medical: $80-$120

Insurance: $50-$100

Entertainment & dining: $100-$150

Miscellaneous: $100-$150

Weekly total: $870-$1,205

Their budget it $1,536 per week.

This is what “making it work” looks like, no margin for error. It assumes you never get sick, never need to replace a car, never get laid off. No inflation. No disasters. No family. No joy.

You’re not living, you’re existing. A glorified spreadsheet cell, working to feed the mortgage-industrial complex.

It wasn’t like this for us. I bought my first place solo, living in a share house, working part-time while studying. I had no real life, sure, but it was doable. The property I bought? $150,000. Today, according to Domain, it’s estimated at $1.2 million.

This isn't some abstract shift, it's a 25-year transformation of the economy into something far more hostile to young people trying to establish a foundation. And no, telling them to “just save” is not helpful, it’s patronising.

If you're in a position to help your kids break out of the rental trap and into ownership and you choose not to, that’s not just a personal decision, it’s a moral one. It shows exactly what kind of parent, and citizen, you are.

The worst thing isn’t failing to help. It’s climbing the housing ladder yourself, then pulling it up behind you while telling the next generation they should have just climbed faster. That’s Peter Dutton’s approach. Just save harder, cut back on Netflix, skip smashed avo, as if that’s the problem.

Back then, even when we were saving, we still got to live. We still had holidays, dinners out, a semblance of balance. Young people today aren’t even being offered that. They’re being asked to sacrifice everything just to maybe afford a 2-bedroom unit 90 minutes from work.

The game has changed, and pretending it hasn’t is just cruelty disguised as wisdom.


Or they could buy a 2 bed 2 bath unit in Blacktown for $500,000 and rent out a room for $150 wk and when they gain equity over the next 5 years they can then look at moving up the property ladder. Unless you have a lot of money in the start you have to start at the bottom, just like everyone else has done in the last 60 years.

https://www.realestate.com.au/property-unit-nsw-blacktown-146850564

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by John Smith on Apr 16th, 2025 at 2:47pm

Leroy wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 8:22pm:
Or they could buy a 2 bed 2 bath unit in Blacktown for $500,000



duttons kid doesn't live in blacktown ... not that it matters as you totally miss the point mr potato was trying to make with that faux par.

The issueis that young workers are unable to save up for a deposit once they pay rent and all their living expenses. Doesn't matter where they want to buy

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Leroy on Apr 16th, 2025 at 3:34pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2025 at 2:47pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 8:22pm:
Or they could buy a 2 bed 2 bath unit in Blacktown for $500,000



duttons kid doesn't live in blacktown ... not that it matters as you totally miss the point mr potato was trying to make with that faux par.

The issueis that young workers are unable to save up for a deposit once they pay rent and all their living expenses. Doesn't matter where they want to buy


Thats just bullshit, most young workers have or are saving for a deposit.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Gordon on Apr 16th, 2025 at 4:05pm

Leroy wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 8:22pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 2:05pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 1:12pm:
Parents gifting their kids a house deposit is the worst thing they can do, unless they are morons or disabled.


Do people genuinely understand what it’s like out there for young people right now?

Let’s talk about a hypothetical couple trying to buy in the outer suburbs of Sydney. Already, that scenario is optimistic. If you’re single, forget it, unless you’re living with your parents into your 30s, this isn’t even on the table. But let’s entertain the couple scenario, both working full-time and renting while trying to scrape together a deposit for a modest unit.

The median unit price in Sydney sits around $830,000 based on 2024-25 figures, but for the sake of clean maths, let’s round down to $800,000.

To get a foot in the door:

20% deposit: $160,000

Stamp duty: ~$30,000 (a bit less if you qualify for first-home buyer concessions)

Legal, inspections, and misc.: ~$10,000

So you're looking at a $200,000 upfront target, just to have the bank acknowledge your existence.

Now take the average full-time wage:

Around $101,400 per person before tax

Combined: $202,800 before tax, which after tax and Medicare nets you about $150,000-160,000

Then it becomes a question of time:

5 years: $40,000 per year or $20,000 each

7 years: ~$28,500 per year or ~$14,250 each

That’s 18-25% of their entire take-home pay, committed to savings alone.

Now layer in the rent. Average rent is around $775 per week:

$775 × 52 = $40,300 per year just to have a roof over your head while you save

So let’s say they’re taking home $160k, rent eats $40k, savings need another $40k (if you’re aiming for 5 years). That leaves them with $80,000 per year, or $1,536 per week, for everything else.

Sounds fine on paper? Not when you break it down:

Groceries: $250-$300

Utilities: $100-$130

Internet & Phone: $40-$55

Transport: $150-$200

Health & medical: $80-$120

Insurance: $50-$100

Entertainment & dining: $100-$150

Miscellaneous: $100-$150

Weekly total: $870-$1,205

Their budget it $1,536 per week.

This is what “making it work” looks like, no margin for error. It assumes you never get sick, never need to replace a car, never get laid off. No inflation. No disasters. No family. No joy.

You’re not living, you’re existing. A glorified spreadsheet cell, working to feed the mortgage-industrial complex.

It wasn’t like this for us. I bought my first place solo, living in a share house, working part-time while studying. I had no real life, sure, but it was doable. The property I bought? $150,000. Today, according to Domain, it’s estimated at $1.2 million.

This isn't some abstract shift, it's a 25-year transformation of the economy into something far more hostile to young people trying to establish a foundation. And no, telling them to “just save” is not helpful, it’s patronising.

If you're in a position to help your kids break out of the rental trap and into ownership and you choose not to, that’s not just a personal decision, it’s a moral one. It shows exactly what kind of parent, and citizen, you are.

The worst thing isn’t failing to help. It’s climbing the housing ladder yourself, then pulling it up behind you while telling the next generation they should have just climbed faster. That’s Peter Dutton’s approach. Just save harder, cut back on Netflix, skip smashed avo, as if that’s the problem.

Back then, even when we were saving, we still got to live. We still had holidays, dinners out, a semblance of balance. Young people today aren’t even being offered that. They’re being asked to sacrifice everything just to maybe afford a 2-bedroom unit 90 minutes from work.

The game has changed, and pretending it hasn’t is just cruelty disguised as wisdom.


Or they could buy a 2 bed 2 bath unit in Blacktown for $500,000 and rent out a room for $150 wk and when they gain equity over the next 5 years they can then look at moving up the property ladder. Unless you have a lot of money in the start you have to start at the bottom, just like everyone else has done in the last 60 years.

https://www.realestate.com.au/property-unit-nsw-blacktown-146850564


Even better to continue living with parents and rent it out, and get the tax savings.
I have no idea about the Brisbane market, but something like this would end up costing nothing to hold.
https://www.realestate.com.au/sold/property-apartment-qld-brisbane+city-146438896

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by aquascoot on Apr 16th, 2025 at 4:38pm
Go the Indian solution. 2 houses near me have at least a dozen cars parked there. Probably 30 people,

The ability to save must be immense and Indians/Chinese are used to living in a crowded crib

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by KangAnon on Apr 16th, 2025 at 5:00pm
Or, and get this, we could treat housing like, you know, housing, not an investment?

Make them affordable and livable and redirect investment into something that is inovative and a benefit to the economy?

That should be the engame, but that provides no short-term relief.

But neither does Dutton.

At least Labor have a plan that shouldn't increase prices, won't drop prices (so they don't get Shorten'd) yet still provides a means for first home buyers to get into the market with government assistance or social housing.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Leroy on Apr 16th, 2025 at 5:01pm

aquascoot wrote on Apr 16th, 2025 at 4:38pm:
Go the Indian solution. 2 houses near me have at least a dozen cars parked there. Probably 30 people,

The ability to save must be immense and Indians/Chinese are used to living in a crowded crib


Todays spoilt little woke whingers want to leap to the top of the property market without putting in the hard yards.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by John Smith on Apr 16th, 2025 at 5:16pm

Leroy wrote on Apr 16th, 2025 at 3:34pm:
Thats just bullshit, most young workers have or are saving for a deposit.



so you're saying Duttons son was lying during the press conference?

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by KangAnon on Apr 16th, 2025 at 5:22pm

Leroy wrote on Apr 16th, 2025 at 5:01pm:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 16th, 2025 at 4:38pm:
Go the Indian solution. 2 houses near me have at least a dozen cars parked there. Probably 30 people,

The ability to save must be immense and Indians/Chinese are used to living in a crowded crib


Todays spoilt little woke whingers want to leap to the top of the property market without putting in the hard yards.


No, they don’t, they want to shift the property market’s focus towards housing as a necessity, not a vehicle for investment,

The fact that you consider property speculation to be “putting in the hard yards” exposes the deeply flawed assumptions in your worldview.

If Scoot has even a shred of consistency, and isn’t just another dyed-in-the-wool hypocrite, she’d have plenty to say about your limp-wristed, risk-averse approach to so-called “investment” through property hoarding.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Sophia on Apr 17th, 2025 at 9:18am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:30pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:14pm:
[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1744599208/3#3 date=1744602949]
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg

My daughter (18) has been working for about 4 years now.


Your error: not everyone is as gifted as your daughter.

That's why we need a public housing sector, to ensure  affordable rentals for low income groups, in an outrageously overpriced private housing market.


I absolutely love stories like Gordon’s daughter.
It proves how possible it is to do.
Whilst many can’t for personal reasons, like unsupportive family, illness, etc it also proves many can do that, but don’t.
I’ve noticed a trend for the younger gens to live for the day, and not think of tomorrow, it’s a helplessness of mind attitude.
My hubby and I were much like Gordon’s daughter when we started out in life.
Every penny mattered, and looked at the end of year what savings we could accumulate from having lived frugally. It was like a financial challenge. I was always up for it.
I used to wish I could buy more nice stuff when I was younger, and would just do a lot of window shopping.  All those around us had nicer clothes, cars and houses. I sewed a lot as it was cheaper back then until Chinese stuff was imported, then clothing was cheaper to buy than make.
Are we better off now than others? Maybe now, but back then we missed out on a lot.
Is it better to live for the day or think of a future we can’t be certain of?
Back then it seemed less stressful with forward thinking RE: future, but these days, it’s all about financial crisis. Hubby and I were talking and saying it’s time to pull the purse strings tight again as we may go through some recession.

It’s a life long habit we’ve now got, we just look at price comparisons for everything, and none would tolerate my food shopping at supermarkets, where I look at all price tags and what prices are per 100g.
And who checks their receipts after?
Recently I was double charged for goods… one was Chemist Warehouse.
I said check the cctv vid … they did and said I was right,  I only took one pack from shelf not two.
Yes sometimes cctv work in our favour.

Getting back to buying our first home… it was very humble, nothing flash, a small 10 square fibro cement house. No flooring or curtains or heating. We did all that ourselves.
Which is why the house was cheaper than other houses.
We eventually had a carport and shed and gravel driveway later.
And always cheap used cars. I was fortunate hubby was a mechanic so kept the cars in good running order, we mainly kept our cars for 10-15 years ….
Trouble with many now is they want McMansions to start off with.
But I see a trend towards units now…
Housing further out from CBD is cheaper… we lived an hour away for our affordable first home, I would travel by car, and train, 3 hours total per day back and forth to work.



Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Leroy on Apr 17th, 2025 at 9:37am

Sophia wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 9:18am:
[quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1744599208/7#7 date=1744605028]

I absolutely love stories like Gordon’s daughter.
It proves how possible it is to do.
Whilst many can’t for personal reasons, like unsupportive family, illness, etc it also proves many can do that, but don’t.
I’ve noticed a trend for the younger gens to live for the day, and not think of tomorrow, it’s a helplessness of mind attitude.
My hubby and I were much like Gordon’s daughter when we started out in life.
Every penny mattered, and looked at the end of year what savings we could accumulate from having lived frugally. It was like a financial challenge. I was always up for it.
I used to wish I could buy more nice stuff when I was younger, and would just do a lot of window shopping.  All those around us had nicer clothes, cars and houses. I sewed a lot as it was cheaper back then until Chinese stuff was imported, then clothing was cheaper to buy than make.
Are we better off now than others? Maybe now, but back then we missed out on a lot.
Is it better to live for the day or think of a future we can’t be certain of?
Back then it seemed less stressful with forward thinking RE: future, but these days, it’s all about financial crisis. Hubby and I were talking and saying it’s time to pull the purse strings tight again as we may go through some recession.

It’s a life long habit we’ve now got, we just look at price comparisons for everything, and none would tolerate my food shopping at supermarkets, where I look at all price tags and what prices are per 100g.
And who checks their receipts after?
Recently I was double charged for goods… one was Chemist Warehouse.
I said check the cctv vid … they did and said I was right,  I only took one pack from shelf not two.
Yes sometimes cctv work in our favour.

Getting back to buying our first home… it was very humble, nothing flash, a small 10 square fibro cement house. No flooring or curtains or heating. We did all that ourselves.
Which is why the house was cheaper than other houses.
We eventually had a carport and shed and gravel driveway later.
And always cheap used cars. I was fortunate hubby was a mechanic so kept the cars in good running order, we mainly kept our cars for 10-15 years ….
Trouble with many now is they want McMansions to start off with.
But I see a trend towards units now…
Housing further out from CBD is cheaper… we lived an hour away for our affordable first home, I would travel by car, and train, 3 hours total per day back and forth to work.


Spot on Sophia, exactly what we did and what my children did. Buying a house is not easy and you have to sacrifice to be able to do it.

My grandparents, parents, me and my children all sacrificed to buy our homes, today its the same.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Gordon on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:10am

Sophia wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 9:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:30pm:
[quote author=Gordon link=1744599208/5#5 date=1744604093][quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1744599208/3#3 date=1744602949]
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg

My daughter (18) has been working for about 4 years now.

It was like a financial challenge. I was always up for it.
I used to wish I could buy more nice stuff when I was younger, and would just do a lot of


I absolutely love stories like Gordon’s daughter.
It proves how possible it is to do.


Thanks, I do recognise she's a stand out with supportive and encouraging parents. She's on track to own the world, but average people (me) who are willing to sacrifice can also do well.

When I was about 30, I bought IP number 3, and I over extended myself by a good amount. I was literally counting pennies just to get by. My car totally died and I needed a new one, got an  ex-taxi LPG Falcon with about 500000km on the clock, all I could afford. Not long after it got broken into and a window smashed so I taped it up with plastic.

So late one Friday evening I drove out to the West Subs to buy some cheap tiles for the property, and I was at a servo, wearing crap clothes in my crap car and some Lebbo guys in their black Audi wearing expensive designer tracksuits were taking the piss out of me calling me povo C, nice car dude all that stuff.

For a bit I thought, why am I putting myself thru this, I could have geared myself lower, got a nice car, clothes, holidays. Then I thought, if these guys are taking the piss, it means I was doing exactly the right thing :)

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:29am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 9:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg


Correct; many don't even have $50K in super, which Dutton wants then to raid in his hair-brained   private- sector only schemes. 

Deplorable.



It's mass, uncontrolled immigration.

Millions more are on their way.


Partly, but Lab and Lib parties have both admitted  to wanting "a continuous increase in housing prices" to support a US-style 'subprime' ponzi housing scheme, we know how that ended. So its critical to maintain high immigration to keep upward pressure  on house prices.

Catch-22 for the Lib- Lab crooks who don't know how to increase  the nation's productive capacity and increase citizens wealth, so they are resorting to a housing ponzi which is supposed to ensure everyone becomes a home owner, when in fact their expensive housing tax policies (negative gearing, capital gains) are only increasing the number of landlords, as housing becomes ever more unaffordable for renters and new entrants. 

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:47am

Gordon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:10am:

Sophia wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 9:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:30pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg

My daughter (18) has been working for about 4 years now.

It was like a financial challenge. I was always up for it.
I used to wish I could buy more nice stuff when I was younger, and would just do a lot of


I absolutely love stories like Gordon’s daughter.
It proves how possible it is to do.


Of course you do, you know nothing about the difference between macro economics - the government's responsibilty, and micro economcs - the  actions of individuals within the macroeconomy.   

[quote]Thanks, I do recognise she's a stand out with supportive and encouraging parents. She's on track to own the world, but average people (me) who are willing to sacrifice can also do well.


So.... exceptional, as well as average  "who are willing to sacrifice can also do well."

What about the implied 'below average group?

eg, are those forced into welfare dependency by macro economic forces,  in a position to 'sacrifice' (eg save to buy a home) when they are already subject to below poverty subsistence as a result of entrenched socio-economic disadvantage?

Oz can't even build enough affordable homes for working people on the median wage.  

[quote]When I was about 30, I bought IP number 3, and I over extended myself by a good amount....


How did you get a loan (and from which lender)  to allow yourself "to become overextended" ?

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Gordon on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:55am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:47am:

Gordon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:10am:

Sophia wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 9:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:30pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg

My daughter (18) has been working for about 4 years now.

It was like a financial challenge. I was always up for it.
I used to wish I could buy more nice stuff when I was younger, and would just do a lot of


I absolutely love stories like Gordon’s daughter.
It proves how possible it is to do.


Of course you do, you know nothing about the difference between macro economics - the government's responsibilty, and micro economcs - the  actions of individuals within the macroeconomy.   

[quote]Thanks, I do recognise she's a stand out with supportive and encouraging parents. She's on track to own the world, but average people (me) who are willing to sacrifice can also do well.


So.... exceptional, as well as average  "who are willing to sacrifice can also do well."

What about the implied 'below average group?

eg, are those forced into welfare dependency by macro economic forces,  in a position to 'sacrifice' (eg save to buy a home) when they are already subject to below poverty subsistence as a result of entrenched socio-economic disadvantage?

Oz can't even build enough affordable homes for working people on the median wage.  

[quote]When I was about 30, I bought IP number 3, and I over extended myself by a good amount....


How did you get a loan (and from which lender)  to allow yourself "to become overextended" ?


I had a really good mortgage broker who knew where I wanted to go and
helped me to find a lender, remember this was pre gfc and many lenders would play fast and loose when it came to checking applications.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:55am

Leroy wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 9:37am:

Sophia wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 9:18am:
[quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1744599208/7#7 date=1744605028]

I absolutely love stories like Gordon’s daughter.
It proves how possible it is to do.
Whilst many can’t for personal reasons, like unsupportive family, illness, etc it also proves many can do that, but don’t.
I’ve noticed a trend for the younger gens to live for the day, and not think of tomorrow, it’s a helplessness of mind attitude.
My hubby and I were much like Gordon’s daughter when we started out in life.
Every penny mattered, and looked at the end of year what savings we could accumulate from having lived frugally. It was like a financial challenge. I was always up for it.
I used to wish I could buy more nice stuff when I was younger, and would just do a lot of window shopping.  All those around us had nicer clothes, cars and houses. I sewed a lot as it was cheaper back then until Chinese stuff was imported, then clothing was cheaper to buy than make.
Are we better off now than others? Maybe now, but back then we missed out on a lot.
Is it better to live for the day or think of a future we can’t be certain of?
Back then it seemed less stressful with forward thinking RE: future, but these days, it’s all about financial crisis. Hubby and I were talking and saying it’s time to pull the purse strings tight again as we may go through some recession.

It’s a life long habit we’ve now got, we just look at price comparisons for everything, and none would tolerate my food shopping at supermarkets, where I look at all price tags and what prices are per 100g.
And who checks their receipts after?
Recently I was double charged for goods… one was Chemist Warehouse.
I said check the cctv vid … they did and said I was right,  I only took one pack from shelf not two.
Yes sometimes cctv work in our favour.

Getting back to buying our first home… it was very humble, nothing flash, a small 10 square fibro cement house. No flooring or curtains or heating. We did all that ourselves.
Which is why the house was cheaper than other houses.
We eventually had a carport and shed and gravel driveway later.
And always cheap used cars. I was fortunate hubby was a mechanic so kept the cars in good running order, we mainly kept our cars for 10-15 years ….
Trouble with many now is they want McMansions to start off with.
But I see a trend towards units now…
Housing further out from CBD is cheaper… we lived an hour away for our affordable first home, I would travel by car, and train, 3 hours total per day back and forth to work.


Spot on Sophia, exactly what we did and what my children did. Buying a house is not easy and you have to sacrifice to be able to do it.

My grandparents, parents, me and my children all sacrificed to buy our homes, today its the same.


Ah Leroy , MAGA enthusiast, also steeped in DOGE's  'balanced government budget' mythology.

Stayed tuned: today  the US markets didn't like Jerome Powell's foecasts  re higher prices and falling employment in the US, under Trump's tariff policies.

(Powell as powerful as Trump in moving markets.....surely not....).  

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Leroy on Apr 17th, 2025 at 11:18am

Gordon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:55am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:47am:

Gordon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:10am:

Sophia wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 9:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:30pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg

My daughter (18) has been working for about 4 years now.

It was like a financial challenge. I was always up for it.
I used to wish I could buy more nice stuff when I was younger, and would just do a lot of


I absolutely love stories like Gordon’s daughter.
It proves how possible it is to do.


Of course you do, you know nothing about the difference between macro economics - the government's responsibilty, and micro economcs - the  actions of individuals within the macroeconomy.   

[quote]Thanks, I do recognise she's a stand out with supportive and encouraging parents. She's on track to own the world, but average people (me) who are willing to sacrifice can also do well.


So.... exceptional, as well as average  "who are willing to sacrifice can also do well."

What about the implied 'below average group?

eg, are those forced into welfare dependency by macro economic forces,  in a position to 'sacrifice' (eg save to buy a home) when they are already subject to below poverty subsistence as a result of entrenched socio-economic disadvantage?

Oz can't even build enough affordable homes for working people on the median wage.  

[quote]When I was about 30, I bought IP number 3, and I over extended myself by a good amount....


How did you get a loan (and from which lender)  to allow yourself "to become overextended" ?


I had a really good mortgage broker who knew where I wanted to go and
helped me to find a lender, remember this was pre gfc and many lenders would play fast and loose when it came to checking applications.


Back in the day you could buy a house with only the government first home buyers subsidy as your deposit.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Gordon on Apr 17th, 2025 at 12:31pm

Leroy wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 11:18am:

Gordon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:55am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:47am:

Gordon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:10am:

Sophia wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 9:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:30pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg

My daughter (18) has been working for about 4 years now.

It was like a financial challenge. I was always up for it.
I used to wish I could buy more nice stuff when I was younger, and would just do a lot of


I absolutely love stories like Gordon’s daughter.
It proves how possible it is to do.


Of course you do, you know nothing about the difference between macro economics - the government's responsibilty, and micro economcs - the  actions of individuals within the macroeconomy.   

[quote]Thanks, I do recognise she's a stand out with supportive and encouraging parents. She's on track to own the world, but average people (me) who are willing to sacrifice can also do well.


So.... exceptional, as well as average  "who are willing to sacrifice can also do well."

What about the implied 'below average group?

eg, are those forced into welfare dependency by macro economic forces,  in a position to 'sacrifice' (eg save to buy a home) when they are already subject to below poverty subsistence as a result of entrenched socio-economic disadvantage?

Oz can't even build enough affordable homes for working people on the median wage.  

[quote]When I was about 30, I bought IP number 3, and I over extended myself by a good amount....


How did you get a loan (and from which lender)  to allow yourself "to become overextended" ?


I had a really good mortgage broker who knew where I wanted to go and
helped me to find a lender, remember this was pre gfc and many lenders would play fast and loose when it came to checking applications.


Back in the day you could buy a house with only the government first home buyers subsidy as your deposit.


I didn't use that.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Dnarever on Apr 17th, 2025 at 12:58pm

Leroy wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 11:18am:
Back in the day you could buy a house with only the government first home buyers subsidy as your deposit.


The minimum deposit was always and still set to 5% of your own money.

I never got a subsidy at all.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by KangAnon on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:02pm

Leroy wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 11:18am:
Back in the day you could buy a house with only the government first home buyers subsidy as your deposit.


That has never been true, unless you're being deliberately misleading.

There’s a sliver of truth to your claim if you're referring specifically to Queensland in 2011, where a combination of state and federal grants could amount to around $31,000.

But even then, lending criteria required a deposit of between 5% and 20% at the time, with the full 20% necessary to avoid Lenders Mortgage Insurance. On those terms, your borrowing capacity with grants alone would cap out at roughly $150,000.

The average house price in Brisbane in 2011 hovered around $450,000, so even under the most favourable conditions, access to every grant available, you still couldn’t get close to qualifying for a mortgage based on those funds alone.

Now, if you’d managed to collect the 2011 grants and then time-travelled back twenty years, you might actually stand a chance of financing a home without tipping in a cent of your own savings.

So yes, the best-case scenario for your assertion is science fiction, time-travel to 2011 to collect the maximum grants, then warp back to 1991 to buy property at early-90s prices. That's the only universe in which your claim holds water.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Leroy on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:05pm

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:02pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 11:18am:
Back in the day you could buy a house with only the government first home buyers subsidy as your deposit.


That has never been true, unless you're being deliberately misleading.

There’s a sliver of truth to your claim if you're referring specifically to Queensland in 2011, where a combination of state and federal grants could amount to around $31,000.

But even then, lending criteria required a deposit of between 5% and 20% at the time, with the full 20% necessary to avoid Lenders Mortgage Insurance. On those terms, your borrowing capacity with grants alone would cap out at roughly $150,000.

The average house price in Brisbane in 2011 hovered around $450,000, so even under the most favourable conditions, access to every grant available, you still couldn’t get close to qualifying for a mortgage based on those funds alone.

Now, if you’d managed to collect the 2011 grants and then time-travelled back twenty years, you might actually stand a chance of financing a home without tipping in a cent of your own savings.

So yes, the best-case scenario for your assertion is science fiction, time-travel to 2011 to collect the maximum grants, then warp back to 1991 to buy property at early-90s prices. That's the only universe in which your claim holds water.


Ok what ever you say, when I built my first house (house and land package for $58,000) I got a $7000 first home buyers grant. That was my deposit.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Sophia on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:20pm

Leroy wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:05pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:02pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 11:18am:
Back in the day you could buy a house with only the government first home buyers subsidy as your deposit.


That has never been true, unless you're being deliberately misleading.

There’s a sliver of truth to your claim if you're referring specifically to Queensland in 2011, where a combination of state and federal grants could amount to around $31,000.

But even then, lending criteria required a deposit of between 5% and 20% at the time, with the full 20% necessary to avoid Lenders Mortgage Insurance. On those terms, your borrowing capacity with grants alone would cap out at roughly $150,000.

The average house price in Brisbane in 2011 hovered around $450,000, so even under the most favourable conditions, access to every grant available, you still couldn’t get close to qualifying for a mortgage based on those funds alone.

Now, if you’d managed to collect the 2011 grants and then time-travelled back twenty years, you might actually stand a chance of financing a home without tipping in a cent of your own savings.

So yes, the best-case scenario for your assertion is science fiction, time-travel to 2011 to collect the maximum grants, then warp back to 1991 to buy property at early-90s prices. That's the only universe in which your claim holds water.


Ok what ever you say, when I built my first house (house and land package for $58,000) I got a $7000 first home buyers grant. That was my deposit.


Going back to the mid 70s… there was a first buyers home grant, but there was a catch… we had to show our bank pass books to prove we had made savings for 3 years… which I had, I can’t recall what the maximum grant was…

The one Leroy mentions the $7000 grant I recall my daughter got the same grant.
A few years earlier my son had a grant… it was the stamp duty discount.



Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Leroy on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:24pm

Sophia wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:20pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:05pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:02pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 11:18am:
Back in the day you could buy a house with only the government first home buyers subsidy as your deposit.


That has never been true, unless you're being deliberately misleading.

There’s a sliver of truth to your claim if you're referring specifically to Queensland in 2011, where a combination of state and federal grants could amount to around $31,000.

But even then, lending criteria required a deposit of between 5% and 20% at the time, with the full 20% necessary to avoid Lenders Mortgage Insurance. On those terms, your borrowing capacity with grants alone would cap out at roughly $150,000.

The average house price in Brisbane in 2011 hovered around $450,000, so even under the most favourable conditions, access to every grant available, you still couldn’t get close to qualifying for a mortgage based on those funds alone.

Now, if you’d managed to collect the 2011 grants and then time-travelled back twenty years, you might actually stand a chance of financing a home without tipping in a cent of your own savings.

So yes, the best-case scenario for your assertion is science fiction, time-travel to 2011 to collect the maximum grants, then warp back to 1991 to buy property at early-90s prices. That's the only universe in which your claim holds water.


Ok what ever you say, when I built my first house (house and land package for $58,000) I got a $7000 first home buyers grant. That was my deposit.


Going back to the mid 70s… there was a first buyers home grant, but there was a catch… we had to show our bank pass books to prove we had made savings for 3 years… which I had, I can’t recall what the maximum grant was…

The one Leroy mentions the $7000 grant I recall my daughter got the same grant.
A few years earlier my son had a grant… it was the stamp duty discount.


We paid the minimum deposit and used our savings to buy shed, patio and better car. My FIL told me to borrow as much as I could on the house and spend the rest on what I need because personal loan interest was so high. Many building companies were advertising no deposit homes and using the first home buyers grant for the deposit.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Sophia on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:42pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:47am:

Gordon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:10am:

Sophia wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 9:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:30pm:
[quote author=Gordon link=1744599208/5#5 date=1744604093][quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1744599208/3#3 date=1744602949]
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg

My daughter (18) has been working for about 4 years now.

It was like a financial challenge. I was always up for it.
I used to wish I could buy more nice stuff when I was younger, and would just do a lot of


I absolutely love stories like Gordon’s daughter.
It proves how possible it is to do.


Of course you do, you know nothing about the difference between macro economics - the government's responsibilty, and micro economcs - the  actions of individuals within the macroeconomy.   


Perhaps I’m not as well versed in academics as yourself, I do like to read what you write, but…
I happen to know about house prices, interest rates, and renters situations.
Rentals we had with young couples, after their having a baby, found they were struggling with cost of living and rent … even though rent was relatively cheaper than loan payments.
Many of these young couples went back to live with mum and dad. When 2 were working it was even keel, one stops to start a family, the main breadwinner struggles to support family.

House prices are ridiculous now.
Interesting debate last night… any houses bought from overseas investors or whatever, will be stopped for 2 years to give our own people a chance to buy into the housing market.
If you go see a link and topic in finance forum I put up recently, about how overseas dirty money was laundered into our Aussie real estate.
There’s half the problem right there! That’s a government problem no?
Now it’s a promise made in the debate that it will be stopped for 2 years ffs!
Too little too late!

There is a very tough stance giving out loans even those with equity can’t get a loan through banks, unless it’s via a broker with private loans and the interest rate is higher than the banks, and a year’s interest rate payable up front.
Different stages throughout last 30 years we have seen, lived, and gone through.
We see how much tougher it is now.
And it seems only people like Gordon’s daughter can have a crack at it to succeed.
For many like that… to get ahead …. it can take 2 full time working couples, and reminds me… my hubby and I were able to save money as well as pay the cost of living back in the 70s and early 80s.
I dare say it’s hard to save anything now as cost of living exceeds ability to save.






Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by John Smith on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:43pm

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:02pm:
That has never been true, unless you're being deliberately misleading.

I recall many years ago seeing advertising from developers claiming you could buy with zero deposit if you qualified for the 1st home buyers grants

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by lee on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:47pm
Wow. A twenty-year-old can't afford a house. Be still my beating heart. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Leroy on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:53pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:43pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:02pm:
That has never been true, unless you're being deliberately misleading.

I recall many years ago seeing advertising from developers claiming you could buy with zero deposit if you qualified for the 1st home buyers grants


You are still able to in Perth through the homebuyers group.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Sophia on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:56pm
I wanted to further extrapolate about Gordon’s daughter, certain attributes in her attitude will help her get ahead…. One was not being frivolous with money, choosing cheaper travel methods, basically, how many of our youth get that? Being a tight-A?

How many of our youth can do that? Or want to? With all the goodies advertised for spending…
It’s a game of whether one has buyers resistance or not.
How many of that youth group have gone to Bali countless times?

Heck…. I remember back in the 70s how Aussies going to Bali was a thing.
I bought a t-shirt “I haven’t been to Bali either”  ;D

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Leroy on Apr 17th, 2025 at 2:00pm
Here are a couple of ways you can buy a home with no deposit.


Quote:
No savings? No Worries!

With WA Building Company, you can get into a brand-new home, even if you have $0 in savings.

Better yet, there’s no Lenders Mortgage Insurance payable, which means buying a new home with WA Building Company is even more affordable!

We’re also offering a massive $75,000 Kickstarter bonus to first home buyers. The Kickstarter is made up of a $25,000 Federal Government HomeBuilder stimulus package for new home builds, and a $20,000 State Government Building Bonus, which is on top of the $10,000 First Home Owners Grant. Additionally, we’re also giving away $20,000 worth of home upgrades.

Our award-winning home designs are available in over 60 Perth suburbs. And with house and land packages from a staggeringly low cost of $349/week, you have no reason to keep renting and every reason to start buying.

So go from renting to owning!
https://www.wabuildingcompany.com.au/zero-in-savings/


Quote:
No savings? No worries! See if you’re eligible for a No Deposit Home Loan.

We understand how hard it is to save for a deposit when life is so expensive. But that doesn’t mean you should be stuck renting and putting off your dream of buying a house. Our No Savings Home Loan could be your golden ticket to home ownership.
https://www.easystarthomes.com.au/finance-guide/no-savings-home-loans/

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by KangAnon on Apr 17th, 2025 at 2:50pm

Leroy wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:05pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:02pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 11:18am:
Back in the day you could buy a house with only the government first home buyers subsidy as your deposit.


That has never been true, unless you're being deliberately misleading.

There’s a sliver of truth to your claim if you're referring specifically to Queensland in 2011, where a combination of state and federal grants could amount to around $31,000.

But even then, lending criteria required a deposit of between 5% and 20% at the time, with the full 20% necessary to avoid Lenders Mortgage Insurance. On those terms, your borrowing capacity with grants alone would cap out at roughly $150,000.

The average house price in Brisbane in 2011 hovered around $450,000, so even under the most favourable conditions, access to every grant available, you still couldn’t get close to qualifying for a mortgage based on those funds alone.

Now, if you’d managed to collect the 2011 grants and then time-travelled back twenty years, you might actually stand a chance of financing a home without tipping in a cent of your own savings.

So yes, the best-case scenario for your assertion is science fiction, time-travel to 2011 to collect the maximum grants, then warp back to 1991 to buy property at early-90s prices. That's the only universe in which your claim holds water.


Ok what ever you say, when I built my first house (house and land package for $58,000) I got a $7000 first home buyers grant. That was my deposit.



You bought a $58,000 house and land in the 2001+?

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by KangAnon on Apr 17th, 2025 at 2:52pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:43pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:02pm:
That has never been true, unless you're being deliberately misleading.

I recall many years ago seeing advertising from developers claiming you could buy with zero deposit if you qualified for the 1st home buyers grants


"Special offers" from developers isn't available to everyone...

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by KangAnon on Apr 17th, 2025 at 2:59pm
I guess you could have bought this gem 8 hours out from Perth...

https://www.realestate.com.au/sold/property-house-wa-norseman-143727596



Good thing the Coalition aren't trying to prevent work from home because that's the only way you'd be able to survive in such a rural setting unless you grew up there.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Leroy on Apr 17th, 2025 at 5:43pm

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 2:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:43pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:02pm:
That has never been true, unless you're being deliberately misleading.

I recall many years ago seeing advertising from developers claiming you could buy with zero deposit if you qualified for the 1st home buyers grants


"Special offers" from developers isn't available to everyone...
\


Correct if you have too much money you wont qualify.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by KangAnon on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:32pm

Leroy wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 5:43pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 2:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:43pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:02pm:
That has never been true, unless you're being deliberately misleading.

I recall many years ago seeing advertising from developers claiming you could buy with zero deposit if you qualified for the 1st home buyers grants


"Special offers" from developers isn't available to everyone...
\


Correct if you have too much money you wont qualify.


It's a sales tactic when it's developers, it's not to help the battlers etc...

They often don't means test those offers, they're offering them because they can't sell.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Leroy on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:41pm

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:32pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 5:43pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 2:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:43pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:02pm:
That has never been true, unless you're being deliberately misleading.

I recall many years ago seeing advertising from developers claiming you could buy with zero deposit if you qualified for the 1st home buyers grants


"Special offers" from developers isn't available to everyone...
\


Correct if you have too much money you wont qualify.


It's a sales tactic when it's developers, it's not to help the battlers etc...

They often don't means test those offers, they're offering them because they can't sell.


What are you trying to say, I'm not following you here.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 18th, 2025 at 3:37pm

Sophia wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:47am:

Gordon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 10:10am:

Sophia wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 9:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:30pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg

My daughter (18) has been working for about 4 years now.

It was like a financial challenge. I was always up for it.
I used to wish I could buy more nice stuff when I was younger, and would just do a lot of


I absolutely love stories like Gordon’s daughter.
It proves how possible it is to do.


Of course you do, you know nothing about the difference between macro economics - the government's responsibilty, and micro economcs - the  actions of individuals within the macroeconomy.   


Perhaps I’m not as well versed in academics as yourself, I do like to read what you write, but…
I happen to know about house prices, interest rates, and renters situations.
Rentals we had with young couples, after their having a baby, found they were struggling with cost of living and rent … even though rent was relatively cheaper than loan payments.
Many of these young couples went back to live with mum and dad. When 2 were working it was even keel, one stops to start a family, the main breadwinner struggles to support family.

House prices are ridiculous now.


Ah- pleased to see you acknowledge that much; many comfortable boomers (like me)  or younger are seeing what their offspring are up against, in today's market.   


[quote]Interesting debate last night… any houses bought from overseas investors or whatever, will be stopped for 2 years to give our own people a chance to buy into the housing market.
If you go see a link and topic in finance forum I put up recently, about how overseas dirty money was laundered into our Aussie real estate.
There’s half the problem right there! That’s a government problem no?
Now it’s a promise made in the debate that it will be stopped for 2 years ffs!
Too little too late!


All reasonable but, re the "other half" of the problem, also a government problem: 

(9 News)

Election war of words erupts over $180b tax break for investors

Dutton argued cutting negative gearing would worsen the rental market.

"I have stated very clearly, we want a sustainable housing market, which includes rental stock," the opposition leader when debate moderator David Speers asked why his party wouldn't change the capital gains tax discount or negative gearing.

"If you want to cut out negative gearing, as the Labor Party and the Greens would love to do, you will stop investment taking place for properties that are ultimately rented by young Australians."


See Dutton's self-contradiction? He wants everyone to own a house, yet is concerned to maintain "a sustainable rental stock", even though  private rents are also  un-affordable in today's  over-priced housing market.  A case of private sector free-market ideology running into reality.

Eventually government will be forced to rebuild its public housing stock,  to end the housing crisis in the current  unafforadable market.  And both parties want house prices to keep increasing ("gently") , another contradiction, unless median wages in Oz can beat inflation... 

[quote]There is a very tough stance giving out loans even those with equity can’t get a loan through banks, unless it’s via a broker with private loans and the interest rate is higher than the banks, and a year’s interest rate payable up front.
Different stages throughout last 30 years we have seen, lived, and gone through.
We see how much tougher it is now.
And it seems only people like Gordon’s daughter can have a crack at it to succeed.
For many like that… to get ahead …. it can take 2 full time working couples, and reminds me… my hubby and I were able to save money as well as pay the cost of living back in the 70s and early 80s.
I dare say it’s hard to save anything now as cost of living exceeds ability to save.


Exactly.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Gnads on Apr 18th, 2025 at 4:20pm

Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 2:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 1:55pm:
It's impossible for young people to save for a house:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxknUDX9Hfg


My daughter (18) has been working for about 4 years now. Checkout, then when she got her surf bronze she worked as a pool lifeguard on an adult wage, $40/hr. Now in 1st year uni she's tutoring school kids, doing about 15-20 hours a week on $60/hr.

She's an absolute tight arse and will get the bus over an Uber wherever possible and keeps her personal spending to am absolute minimum.

Her share portfolio is getting close to $80k. She's saved and invested just about every cent she's earned and the cash gifts for birthdays/christmas.


That's fine whilst she's still living at home.

Does she pay any board or does she get off doing that too?

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Gnads on Apr 18th, 2025 at 4:24pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 10:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 9:49am:
Dutton made a big mistake  - he's super rich and

if he lets his own son suffer then what will he do to people he doesn't know?

It's an own goal.   ::)


Typical liberal. Wouldn't give anyone including his own family the steam off his sh.t and this is the same dude that wants you to save on electricity prices by getting tax payers to fork out 600 bill for some nukes in exchange for some secret backhanders and shares from GE or Westinghouse in America. Yeh right Dutton :D LOL


How much do you think all these, so far non stop renewable projects are costing?

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Gnads on Apr 18th, 2025 at 4:28pm

Leroy wrote on Apr 16th, 2025 at 3:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2025 at 2:47pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 8:22pm:
Or they could buy a 2 bed 2 bath unit in Blacktown for $500,000



duttons kid doesn't live in blacktown ... not that it matters as you totally miss the point mr potato was trying to make with that faux par.

The issueis that young workers are unable to save up for a deposit once they pay rent and all their living expenses. Doesn't matter where they want to buy


Thats just bullshit, most young workers have or are saving for a deposit.


Dream on .. most young workers don't earn enough to feed themselves.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Leroy on Apr 18th, 2025 at 4:33pm

Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2025 at 4:28pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 16th, 2025 at 3:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2025 at 2:47pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 8:22pm:
Or they could buy a 2 bed 2 bath unit in Blacktown for $500,000



duttons kid doesn't live in blacktown ... not that it matters as you totally miss the point mr potato was trying to make with that faux par.

The issueis that young workers are unable to save up for a deposit once they pay rent and all their living expenses. Doesn't matter where they want to buy


Thats just bullshit, most young workers have or are saving for a deposit.


Dream on .. most young workers don't earn enough to feed themselves.


Yeah right. All those young people I see every Fri and Sat night going to clubs and pubs are starving.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Gnads on Apr 18th, 2025 at 4:40pm
First home(speccy) bought in 1979 - house and land(822sqmtrs) was $31,500.

Tried to get a loan through a Housing co-op but didn't have enough in the bank.

So applied for a low interest QLD Govt Housing Commission loan which only required $3,000 dollar deposit.

Got a $7,000 first home buyers grant.

Both working - the loan was over 25 years.

Still living in the same house.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Gnads on Apr 18th, 2025 at 4:42pm

Leroy wrote on Apr 18th, 2025 at 4:33pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2025 at 4:28pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 16th, 2025 at 3:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2025 at 2:47pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 8:22pm:
Or they could buy a 2 bed 2 bath unit in Blacktown for $500,000



duttons kid doesn't live in blacktown ... not that it matters as you totally miss the point mr potato was trying to make with that faux par.

The issueis that young workers are unable to save up for a deposit once they pay rent and all their living expenses. Doesn't matter where they want to buy


Thats just bullshit, most young workers have or are saving for a deposit.


Dream on .. most young workers don't earn enough to feed themselves.


Yeah right. All those young people I see every Fri and Sat night going to clubs and pubs are starving.


Depends on what sort of jobs they have.....

and many of them will still be living at home.

And it's true they don't give a phuk .... they'll blow all their pay at the end of every week.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Leroy on Apr 18th, 2025 at 4:44pm

Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2025 at 4:42pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 18th, 2025 at 4:33pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2025 at 4:28pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 16th, 2025 at 3:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2025 at 2:47pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 8:22pm:
Or they could buy a 2 bed 2 bath unit in Blacktown for $500,000



duttons kid doesn't live in blacktown ... not that it matters as you totally miss the point mr potato was trying to make with that faux par.

The issueis that young workers are unable to save up for a deposit once they pay rent and all their living expenses. Doesn't matter where they want to buy


Thats just bullshit, most young workers have or are saving for a deposit.


Dream on .. most young workers don't earn enough to feed themselves.


Yeah right. All those young people I see every Fri and Sat night going to clubs and pubs are starving.


Depends on what sort of jobs they have.....

and many of them will still be living at home.

And it's true they don't give a phuk .... they'll blow all their pay at the end of every week.


So we need to lower the cost of housing so they can go out and get pissed every weekend.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Leroy on Apr 18th, 2025 at 4:45pm
The average income for a 25-34 yr old in Australia is $80,000.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 18th, 2025 at 6:53pm

KangAnon wrote on Apr 15th, 2025 at 2:05pm:
The game has changed, and pretending it hasn’t is just cruelty disguised as wisdom.


It's the triumph of Thatcher's neoliberal "small government, 'balanced government' budget, "other people's money' failed ideology: in the post WW2 Keynesian 'welfare state' era (when there was no "welfare"  because everyone was employed, and 'welfare' meant access to housing ...), the Menzies govt. ensured everyone had access to housing in either public or private housing, all achieved via 'deficit spending'...before Thatcher convinced us the currency-authorizing government had to balance its budget [like us, the citizens), which is nonsense  (the government ISSUES the currency, we are its USERS, the two groups face entirely differnt budget constraints. ). 
And btw, Menzies oversaw a rapid increase in Oz's populatiion through immigration, though admittedly nations were far more self sufficient in those days, requiring all availbale workers to participate in the economy, before  'comparative advantage' and globalization ideology displaced local manufacturing.   

[and another btw: the "stealing from future generations" reputedly caused by  government debt is back to front: if government doesn't fund vital infrastructure now via deficit spending,  future generations will suffer.]

So we have come full circle back to approaching a GD level of homelessness, eg Morgan Cox - a working man who can't afford  to pay Sydney rents,  has set up a tent outside Albo's $4 million house on the mid-north coast to protest the current housing disaster.

Ironically, Albo likes to tell us he was raised by his mother in a public housing unit;  Cox and his wife and kid were forced  to  move because there is no longer any available public housing in Sydney.

Chalmers likes to claim Labor hasn't imbibed the neoliberal cool-aide, the facts say differently.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Dnarever on Apr 18th, 2025 at 7:12pm

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 2:59pm:
I guess you could have bought this gem 8 hours out from Perth...

https://www.realestate.com.au/sold/property-house-wa-norseman-143727596



Good thing the Coalition aren't trying to prevent work from home because that's the only way you'd be able to survive in such a rural setting unless you grew up there.


No that home would not qualify for any of the schemes.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Dnarever on Apr 18th, 2025 at 7:21pm

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 2:50pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:05pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 1:02pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 17th, 2025 at 11:18am:
Back in the day you could buy a house with only the government first home buyers subsidy as your deposit.


That has never been true, unless you're being deliberately misleading.

There’s a sliver of truth to your claim if you're referring specifically to Queensland in 2011, where a combination of state and federal grants could amount to around $31,000.

But even then, lending criteria required a deposit of between 5% and 20% at the time, with the full 20% necessary to avoid Lenders Mortgage Insurance. On those terms, your borrowing capacity with grants alone would cap out at roughly $150,000.

The average house price in Brisbane in 2011 hovered around $450,000, so even under the most favourable conditions, access to every grant available, you still couldn’t get close to qualifying for a mortgage based on those funds alone.

Now, if you’d managed to collect the 2011 grants and then time-travelled back twenty years, you might actually stand a chance of financing a home without tipping in a cent of your own savings.

So yes, the best-case scenario for your assertion is science fiction, time-travel to 2011 to collect the maximum grants, then warp back to 1991 to buy property at early-90s prices. That's the only universe in which your claim holds water.


Ok what ever you say, when I built my first house (house and land package for $58,000) I got a $7000 first home buyers grant. That was my deposit.



You bought a $58,000 house and land in the 2001+?


I bought a $63,000  house and land around 1980. I didn't qualify for either scheme at the time, I got nothing. When I bought you had to make the deposit before applying for the grant. There were rorts going on but it wasn't legal.

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by KangAnon on Apr 21st, 2025 at 9:37am

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 23rd, 2025 at 6:12pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euE8eZTyQQg

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Labor majority government on Apr 23rd, 2025 at 7:00pm
Maybe he should stop hanging out with Bruce and blowing his money on the Charlie

Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 23rd, 2025 at 7:10pm

Labor majority government wrote on Apr 23rd, 2025 at 7:00pm:
Maybe he should stop hanging out with Bruce and blowing his money on the Charlie


I gotta funny feeling Mr Potato Head is blowing something else.


Title: Re: Dutton's Son Says He Cant Afford A House
Post by Leroy on Apr 26th, 2025 at 12:09pm
Was visiting someone in a major hospital in Perth last week and noticed several wards had security stationed outside them. I had a long conversation with one of the security guys who was a young man about 22yrs old. He was from India and came to Australia for this job. He was excited at the prospects of his job, many young men come to Australia to do these jobs, so much so that the company he works for only hire young men from Asia region. He gets the minimum wage but believes he, like some before him can save enough to buy a house. He thinks that he has a great opportunity to save money and be able to live a wonderful life here.

The security guards were there for patients with dementia.

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