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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrS21tHF2WE

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by the time the next election comes around the US will be drowning in buyers remorse.

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BUYERS REGRET!!!

https://i.imgur.com/3xrvfEY.png

No, it wasn't an accident.

You knew what he was like, you were warned that his second term would be even worse and yet you went out and voted for him anyway.

No sympathy from me.

“I drank the Trump Kool-Aid, the whole two liters of it. I feel guilt and remorse for having voted for Trump,” Stephania Messina, 39, of Michigan told The Free Press. “I am part of the reason we’re in this divisive mess today, because I voted for him. My vote caused harm and I really believe I need to make amends.”

The American system must have been extremely flawed and weak (like Biden)if some guy like Trump could come in to tear it down so his tall blonde mate can come in later to create a better one.  ;)

No more novelty Presidents just for being Black or a Woman as an excuse to be a President. America deserves better.

Oh, my. You'd better watch out, Sad. The old boy will pop in to call you a LIAR.

WITCH HUNT !!!

Jasin wrote on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 5:45pm:

The American system must have been extremely flawed and weak (like Biden)if some guy like Trump could come in to tear it down so his tall blonde mate can come in later to create a better one.  ;) No more novelty Presidents just for being Black or a Woman as an excuse to be a President. America deserves better.

Just think, there they all were in the election saying, oh, don't worry, the Constitution will save us from DL, you'll see. He wasn't so bad last time round, now was he?

I grant you, a few rash comments about bleach injections, some dumb remarks about Vlad, a silly old border fence, but were things so bad really?

Apart from all that debt. Apart from all those deaths - they would have died eventually, no?

So now he comes in and guts the joint, it's blame the system time. Can't blame DL for DOGE and Project 2025, can't blame DL for sharing war plans with the fake news, can't blame DL for trashing the global economy, and in and in.

Each week, it's a new one. DL flies into DC on Tuesday, signs his weekly executive orders, shaves another few tril off global markets, does a quick presser, then it's back to Mar a Lago on Thursday for a few days of hard earned rest.

So now we know. Yes, leftards, it can be this bad.

And it's only three months in.

You can't say they didn't warn us, no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZcMVu8VLQE

:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iunnIR4Fo1o

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The TDS is strong with this one, but he's almost there...

https://i.imgur.com/p8W7HBB.png

I think a lot of the maga crowd are going to regret their vote.

A lot of people just want to be taken care of, they want to take, they want big government  ti borrow more  on the credit card and delay the pain.

The actual figure is that the interest on the 37 billion debt means every American taxpayer is paying 200 a week just in interest to service that debt. 

Are people butt hurt when someone says
This can't go on

You  betcha.

If people wanted to keep up the facade. and the lie that government could be there as the eternal bossom to suckle on they should have voted democrat.

That breast would eventually run dry

Trump has weaned the infants

They are squaking and bellowing like my calves.

It's distressing for them but all critters eventually have to grow up.

The OP who is moving back in with mummy is a calf who won't man up.

It is only through accepting the challenge he can become a man
He can stay with mummy and be a 30 yo infants if she let's him.

She can push him in a pram to woollies.
When people look in the pram, they will feel a sense of disgust.

A man who wants to remain a baby is kind of a disgrace

and here he goes again, another meaningless word salad by horse boy just to start the day off with another bout of stupidity

Jasin wrote on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 5:45pm:

The American system must have been extremely flawed and weak (like Biden)if some guy like Trump could come in to tear it down so his tall blonde mate can come in later to create a better one.  ;)

Flawed and weak, yet this only happened under Trump.  I think, as usual, you're angry at the wrong things.  But your TDS won't allow you to direct that anger to where it deserves to be, will it,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMQsCDSi9jM


Quote:

No more novelty Presidents just for being Black or a Woman as an excuse to be a President. America deserves better.

Better than Trump?

Agreed.

But they had their choice, and she warned you.  She warned you... You chose not to listen because you were worried about someone who was black and a woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAnm5enzhRk

Everything that happens from here out is on those who thought like you.  This is their fault and no expression of regret will absolve them. 

They deserve to lose everything and have the day they voted for.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 6:55am:

I think a lot of the maga crowd are going to regret their vote. A lot of people just want to be taken care of, they want to take, they want big government  ti borrow more  on the credit card and delay the pain. The actual figure is that the interest on the 37 billion debt means every American taxpayer is paying 200 a week just in interest to service that debt.  Are people butt hurt when someone says This can't go on You  betcha. If people wanted to keep up the facade. and the lie that government could be there as the eternal bossom to suckle on they should have voted democrat. That breast would eventually run dry Trump has weaned the infants They are squaking and bellowing like my calves. It's distressing for them but all critters eventually have to grow up. The OP who is moving back in with mummy is a calf who won't man up. It is only through accepting the challenge he can become a man He can stay with mummy and be a 30 yo infants if she let's him. She can push him in a pram to woollies. When people look in the pram, they will feel a sense of disgust. A man who wants to remain a baby is kind of a disgrace

So let me get this straight, anyone regretting their vote for Trump is just a spoiled child who wants to be taken care of forever?

Because apparently, wanting functioning public services or not collapsing under economic strain makes you an “infant” suckling at the government’s eternal breast?

Meanwhile, Trump is some kind of stern father figure who’s “weaned” the population off support, and if you don’t like the consequences, you’re a squawking calf who should be ashamed of himself.

Moving back home because you’re struggling? That’s not a symptom of a broken economy or failed leadership, it just means your mum is pushing a fully-grown man around in a pram to Woolies.

Got it. Very normal, extremely rational take.

Your TDS has you reframing regret as entitlement, suggesting anyone who expected tangible benefits from the government as somehow infantile while still trying to praise Trump, not by praising his policies or actions, but by inventing a narrative where he’s a masculine figure doling out tough love and anyone who dislikes that is just too soft to handle adulthood.

Mate, are you ok?

I know the realities of Trump are hard to swallow, and the cognitive dissonance must be excruciating, but you can also express regret, you don't have to lean into your TDS.

This is the thread for it...

aquascoot wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 6:55am:

Trump has weaned the infants

World trade and stock markets are infants?  aquascoot is the man who wants lower prices for his cattle? Losing is winning.

Only the Lefty induced Shopaholic economy is Losing.

up until a few months ago, the retarded right claimed the left were communists, anti capitalism .... now they're claiming the left are pro capitalism and shopaholics :D :D


do the retarded right take a course in stupidity?

Anyone who lives in the USA, the richest society in the history of the world.

And who is physically fit and decides that it's acceptable to sook online about their " rough life" is a narcissistic little worm who should head off to Africa and see the wide eyed joyful smiles of kids who have nothing.

Then he should sit down and feel deep shame at his disgraceful entitlement and cowardly self obsession

I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. He (or his successor) will get rid of a lot of tariffs and subsidies.

I'm banking on the British Right, rather than the French Leftism.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 8:53am:

And who is physically fit and decides that it's acceptable to sook online about their " rough life" is a narcissistic little worm who should head off to Africa and see the wide eyed joyful smiles of kids who have nothing. Then he should sit down and feel deep shame at his disgraceful entitlement and cowardly self obsession

These alpha males have positive vibes and energy for MAGA and pride in refrigerators to liberate riches.  Or poverty. Same thing.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 8:53am:

I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ...

That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo.

The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to.

"Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain."

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 8:53am:

I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. He (or his successor) will get rid of a lot of tariffs and subsidies.

That may be the plan, long term…. but it’s crushing people now….I feel Trumoet man could’ve been less of a bull in a China shop… and taken smaller segmented steps tackling what really was bothersome eg: countries charging USA high tariffs, and if they don’t come to the party, then charge them the higher tariffs, rather than all. (compartmentalize)

Regret is a bitter pill to swallow.

Too late to say you’re sorry?
Too late to apologise

https://youtu.be/VRUWtag5EFk?si=uZUWyFaRTSwg9TI1

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 9:32am:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain."

Trumpet man and his family are so well off, it’s virtually off the scale!
Losing touch with reality. Has gotten away with a lot.
Money talks. Those without it have no voice.

My advice to survive the recession. Everybody pull the purse strings tight.
If anyone has any more advice please share.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 6:50am:

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And this…. Is another concerning aspect of Trumpet man….. he won’t take advice from anyone, and not even from a wealthy person such as Musk.

What others are there trying to advise that are ignored? Where is the model a committee worked around this situation with all sorts of outcomes to consider?

Quote:

Oil Execs Warn Privately That Trump’s ‘Chaos’ Could Be ‘Disaster’ for Their Industry After donating heavily to Trump’s reelection, Big Oil is just catching on that the president’s policies can hurt them too, anonymous survey of industry executives reveals. “Chaos.” “A disaster.” “Uncertainty.” “Very negative.” That’s a sample of the reactions to Trump’s first few months published in the latest Dallas Fed Energy Survey, which gives executives from nearly 200 oil companies headquartered in Texas the chance to speak anonymously about burning issues inside the oil industry. The closely-watched oil patch survey released last week exposed an emerging gap between Trump’s MAGA movement and the financial interests of some of its biggest corporate funders. Big oil poured hundreds of millions of dollars into Trump’s re-election campaign and down-ballot GOP candidates last year, including an $80 million advertising spree — not counting undisclosed “dark money” funding. Fossil fuel fortunes have funded Project 2025 and its backers, alongside even more extreme far-right Trump-era policy blueprints. But Trump’s tariffs, rising steel prices, and his sledgehammer approach to the administrative state are starting to unnerve oil and gas executives — at least in the anonymous survey conducted quarterly by the Dallas Fed.

https://www.desmog.com/2025/04/04/oil-execs-warn-privately-that-trumps-chaos-could-be-disaster-for-their-industry/

More than a stock  market crash.

Sophia wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 9:49am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 6:50am: https://i.imgur.com/owvGXMv.png And this…. Is another concerning aspect of Trumpet man….. he won’t take advice from anyone, and not even from a wealthy person such as Musk. What others are there trying to advise that are ignored? Where is the model a committee worked around this situation with all sorts of outcomes to consider?

Everyone offering advice is ignored - that's why he's such a bad leader (and businessman).

He always thinks he's the smartest man in the room when, in fact, he's usually the stupidest.

It's been his Achilles' heel his entire life, and he'll never change.

The one voice cutting through the noise, apparently, is Peter Navarro, which is bloody nightmare fuel.

Navarro, the architect of Death by China, a 2011 screed laying blame for America’s decline at the feet of Beijing, owes his political resurrection to a late-night Amazon trawl by Jared Kushner. So impressed was Kushner by the book's alarmism that he cold-called Navarro and ushered him straight into Trump’s 2016 campaign. Thus began Navarro’s metamorphosis from academic oddity to one of Trump’s most influential economic whisperers.

A stalwart of Trump’s inner circle, Navarro served as the administration’s trade adviser and now enjoys renewed clout as senior counsellor for trade and manufacturing. His fingerprints are all over the White House’s protectionist playbook, including the tariff salvos that defined the Trump era.

But let’s not pretend the scholarship behind all this policy is unimpeachable. Navarro famously invented a fictitious source, “Ron Vara”, an anagram of his own surname, to bolster his arguments. It’s a move straight out of the John Baron playbook. When you can’t find credible experts to back your ideology, just conjure one from thin air.

That’s who Trump is listening to.

And despite his recent public spat with Elon Musk, who, predictably, finds the tariff regime economically illiterate, Navarro remains embedded in the policy machine. Musk called it out, Navarro doubled down. The cult insists it’s all part of the 4D chess narrative.

Because, of course, real strategic genius starts with fabricating sources, writing a polemic, then turning it into national economic doctrine. Not checkers, mate, just high-stakes LARPing with geopolitical consequences.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 9:32am:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain."

Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out.

Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 11:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened.

We need to make a clear distinction between what is actually happening and what MAGA fantasists say is happening.

Frankly, the TDS-afflicted simpletons are best ignored for now, they’re a mess of contradictions, constantly rotating their justifications, none of which withstand basic scrutiny. Their tariff arguments, for example, are so inconsistent they collapse under their own weight. So let’s put that noise aside.

Yes, the short-term pain is real, and inescapable. But the deeper concern is this, the damage being done may outpace the time or tools available to fix it. A simple change in leadership and a few strategic renegotiations won’t cut it if the geopolitical ground has shifted entirely.

If any of the BRICS nations leapfrog the United States during this period, most likely China, with Russia as a distant second, it will fundamentally alter the global balance. And ironically, Trump appears to be doing everything he can to help them. His moves to dismantle sanctions on Russia, undermine NATO, and essentially hand over Ukraine on a platter all bolster Moscow’s strategic position, expanding their manpower, resources, and industrial footprint. You couldn’t script a better foreign policy for the Kremlin if you tried.

It’s unnerving how much of what was warned about a second Trump presidency is already materialising.

The MAGA crowd, predictably, remain unteachable. They’ll never acknowledge any of this, TDS has them locked into a hallucinatory state where Trump is always the victim and never the cause. But the reality is stark.

For Americans over 50, and especially those over 65, the consequences are brutal. Many will be forced back into the workforce, in an economic climate that has no interest in hiring older workers, especially in regions where Trump support runs deepest, rural, low-income areas with limited job prospects. Add in the evaporation of retirement savings, and you're looking at a generational crisis.

And that's ignoring the planned cuts to Medicaid and Social Security.  Their children will inherit their debts.

These people aren’t retraining for tech jobs, they’re staring down the barrel of minimum wage service roles, if they’re lucky. And time is not on their side.

We know the profile, white, over 50, no university degree, often in regions hollowed out by decades of economic neglect. These same areas, small towns and low-density counties, form the spine of Trump’s base. Ironically, they’re also the most exposed to the policies he champions.

In the 2020 election, around 55% of voters aged 65 and older backed Trump. That block hasn’t gone anywhere, and they’re now the ones feeling the sharpest sting of his economic legacy. Their blind loyalty might carry them to the grave, and in many cases it will.

We've already seen the grotesque COVID-era posts, people literally dying in hospital beds still insisting the virus was a hoax, with the next post a family member begging strangers for funeral costs and help with medical bills they left behind on GoFundMe. That level of delusion doesn’t dissolve easily. Even as their world burns down around them, many of these people will die blaming everyone but the man holding the match.

And yet, even among them, Trump Regret is quietly creeping in. The question is whether it comes fast enough, or too late to matter.

Assuming it isn't already too late.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 1:54pm:

You couldn’t script a better foreign policy for the Kremlin if you tried.

It IS a kremlin script ... the russians are still astonished that they managed to get their puppet into the white house.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 8:53am:

I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. He (or his successor) will get rid of a lot of tariffs and subsidies.

He's only just bunged them on. We've seen the results on the world economy.

How do you think he's going to have a positive impact in the long term?

That's a question.

Is this topic where the Lefty Trolls gather around their campfire to listen to songs of rape on Peccary's guitar lamenting that Trump proved them wrong the first time, they failed to prove Trump wrong the second time and now Trump's acting lucky the third time???  ;D

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 11:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened.

Now now FD. Be gentle with poor Peccary or he'll cry rape!

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 3:02pm:

Is this topic where the Lefty Trolls gather around their campfire to listen to songs of rape on Peccary's guitar lamenting that Trump proved them wrong the first time, they failed to prove Trump wrong the second time and now Trump's acting lucky the third time???  ;D

Love him or hate him, at this point, we all want him to succeed in making the claims he made during the campaign about making America great again a reality because his current trajectory is the opposite of that, and it's bringing the rest of us down.

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So many people, so tired of winning...

If only someone had warned them.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 8:53am:

I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. He (or his successor) will get rid of a lot of tariffs and subsidies.

As Oren Cass recently wrote in a New York Times op-ed, “Liberation Day” is not the end of the fight—it’s the beginning:

“Last week’s ‘Liberation Day’ marked a kind of D-Day in the effort to reorder the international economic system… With the tariffs, too, success or failure depends on what happens next, and the nation will have to bear real costs while the outcome hangs in the balance.”

Cass adds that the 10 percent global tariff, which has already taken effect, is “the right starting point” and should be made permanent by Congress. This isn’t just a temporary shock—it’s the foundation of a more resilient economic system that funds the U.S. government, reindustrializes the country, and reasserts American sovereignty over trade.

He also makes a critical point that ought to be echoed in every discussion about the so-called “reciprocal” tariffs: “Few expected these tariffs would be set so high… These appear to be temporary in nature, intended as leverage to make other countries adopt policies that promote balanced trade.”

Exactly right. These country-specific tariffs are not ends in themselves. They’re pressure designed to push allies and rivals alike to the negotiating table. And it appears to be working. Speaking with Larry Kudlow on Fox Business, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said: “There are 50, 60, maybe almost 70 countries now who have approached us about negotiating.”

He credited the clear structure of the reciprocal tariff plan with giving foreign governments a reason to engage seriously: “What [President Trump] has done is we outlined the tariffs on April 2 and then gave countries several days to think about it.”

This is the point. The reciprocal tariffs are doing what they were meant to do: putting leverage on the table, shaking foreign complacency, and opening the door to new trade arrangements that better serve American workers and producers.

Critics can quibble over elasticities and import price formulas. But the reality is that the old trade regime produced trillion-dollar annual deficits, widespread industrial decline, and one-sided deals. Trump’s tariffs are not a return to some demonized protectionism of the past—they’re a reset. And it’s already changing the game.

The tariffs may not be perfect. The math may be off. But the strategy is working.  And for the first time in decades, we’re pushing the terms of global trade in ways that will benefit American workers.



See also
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/2025/04/cea-chairman-steve-miran-hudson-institute-event-remarks/

chimera wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 9:22am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: And who is physically fit and decides that it's acceptable to sook online about their " rough life" is a narcissistic little worm who should head off to Africa and see the wide eyed joyful smiles of kids who have nothing. Then he should sit down and feel deep shame at his disgraceful entitlement and cowardly self obsession These alpha males have positive vibes and energy for MAGA and pride in refrigerators to liberate riches.  Or poverty. Same thing.

Just so, Chimera. Read your Anthony Robbins.

It is advisable for the youth of today to embark upon a plan of becoming obscenely rich.

Or poor.

Either/or, no?

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 3:02pm:

Is this topic where the Lefty Trolls gather around their campfire to listen to songs of rape on Peccary's guitar lamenting that Trump proved them wrong the first time, they failed to prove Trump wrong the second time and now Trump's acting lucky the third time???  ;D

Hard to say, JaSin. The lefty trolls are joined by the retards, various business types and the "noble capitalists", who are basically awesome.

What a swell party it is, no?

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 6:22pm:

chimera wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:22am: aquascoot wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: Then he should sit down and feel deep shame at his disgraceful entitlement and cowardly self obsession These alpha males have positive vibes and energy for MAGA and pride in refrigerators to liberate riches.  Or poverty. Same thing. It is advisable for the youth of today to embark upon a plan of becoming obscenely rich. Or poor. Either/or, no?

This is the new reality. aquascoot has found some plastic sheet and cardboard with water-bottle and is OK for winter. The local library is sending his emails these days and he's maga maggot macca mugged.

chimera wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 9:22am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: And who is physically fit and decides that it's acceptable to sook online about their " rough life" is a narcissistic little worm who should head off to Africa and see the wide eyed joyful smiles of kids who have nothing. Then he should sit down and feel deep shame at his disgraceful entitlement and cowardly self obsession These alpha males have positive vibes and energy for MAGA and pride in refrigerators to liberate riches.  Or poverty. Same thing.

The manosphere is turning on each other as things are getting tough at the moment, it's been glorious to watch and listen to.

chimera wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 6:41pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 6:22pm: chimera wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:22am: aquascoot wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: Then he should sit down and feel deep shame at his disgraceful entitlement and cowardly self obsession These alpha males have positive vibes and energy for MAGA and pride in refrigerators to liberate riches.  Or poverty. Same thing. It is advisable for the youth of today to embark upon a plan of becoming obscenely rich. Or poor. Either/or, no? This is the new reality. aquascoot has found some plastic sheet and cardboard with water-bottle and is OK for winter. The local library is sending his emails these days and he's maga maggot macca mugged.

That's right. I hear Aquascoot and his kin have set their shacks up in the outer suburbs of Brisbane, full of ce-ment ponds and chicken coops.

Sadly, his newfound austerity principles have required him to curtail his previous Internet use and deploy carrier pigeons. I think it's a smart move.

Chodes, lives of pure garbage.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 11:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened.

Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs?

That's a question. Up for an answer?

John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 7:05am:

and here he goes again, another meaningless word salad by horse boy just to start the day off with another bout of stupidity

I think [He's] still bitter about the Australian government not allowing him to come within 5,000 feet of any barnyard animal.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 8:53am:

I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. He (or his successor) will get rid of a lot of tariffs and subsidies.

What f**king planet are you living on?

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2025 at 8:53am:

I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. He (or his successor) will get rid of a lot of tariffs and subsidies.

Long term? His successor?

Geez, what timezone do you live in?

It's Trump you're talking about.

The 180 was always going to be within one newscycle or two.

Man Imposes Tariffs As Wife Racks Up Huge Trade Deficit At Target


PHOENIX, AZ — In a move intended to fix what experts cited as a years-long imbalance, a local man announced that he was imposing tariffs after his wife had racked up a huge trade deficit at Target.

Eric Harper said that, while he had warned his wife for years that the current Target arrangement was unsustainable, her stubborn insistence upon maintaining a substantial deficit left him no choice but to implement tariffs.

"This household simply can't afford to be taken advantage of forever," Harper said. "I'm large, successful, and prosperous, but that doesn't mean I should be treated like everyone's piggy bank. These tariffs are a way to shift the balance back into a more equitable position. While there may be short-term pain, there will be long-term progress. And, Lord willing, a lot fewer trips to Target."

Harper's wife, Jenna, expressed strong disapproval of the new tariffs. "This is unacceptable and a complete upending of the long-established system," she said. "If Eric insists on imposing these tariffs, there are sure to be dire consequences — both immediate and long into the future. It is not right for future generations of the Harper family to suffer from Eric's bullying power play. I vow to fight these tariffs to the end."

Though each side reportedly agreed to send a delegation to engage in high-level talks at a summit this weekend in hopes of negotiating an acceptable compromise, sources said Eric was unwilling to budge.

At publishing time, news broke that Jenna Harper was planning to impose an immediate laundry embargo to counter Eric's tariffs.

Yeah, wow. Funny.


Stay retarded, Frank

Marla wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 9:22am:

Yeah, wow. Funny. Stay retarded, Frank

Silence you commie:


https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Marla_is_a_Marxist.jpg

Marla wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 9:22am:

Yeah, wow. Funny. Stay retarded, Frank

Poor old Frank.

https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/MdT7Q259M4zeM5x7NDAwNTg=/this-man-waiting-line-campaign-rally-wears-440nw-14789900a.jpg

It’s difficult to predict the long-term consequences with any precision, but the damage Trump is inflicting, should it persist for any meaningful length of time, which it must if the objectives parroted by his loyalists are to be believed and this isn’t merely an elaborate grift or a calculated act of market manipulation designed to enrich his benefactors, is going to demand an extraordinary degree of competence to unwind.

And that competence is conspicuously absent in the current administration, including among those next in line should Trump not complete his term.

Worse still, even if the capacity were there, the will is not. None of them possess the slightest inclination to reverse the course they’ve charted. This isn’t chaos, it’s orchestration. What’s unfolding is entirely according to plan, and that plan doesn’t hinge on Trump remaining in office. His removal won’t change the direction of travel, it’ll simply hand the wheel to another true believer or opportunist.

The future, accordingly, is anything but certain. What is certain is this, those who cast their lot with Trump in the hope of bettering their lives have become cannon fodder for a well-rehearsed exercise in wealth consolidation. The tariffs and associated market convulsions are not policy missteps, they’re tools for short-term enrichment of the already affluent, followed by long-term structural sabotage through the deliberate gutting of public institutions.

This is the con, services are bled dry under the guise of cutting waste, then decried as ineffective, paving the way for privatisation. The result? Higher costs to the taxpayer, diminished outcomes for the public, and immense profits for the politically connected few. All while the MAGA faithful, still clinging to the fantasy of populist salvation, continue to be exploited.

If there is any hope of recovery from this grotesque misadventure, it requires a radical departure from the current Republican orthodoxy. The MAGA mindset, rooted in grievance, fuelled by misinformation, and weaponised by opportunists, must be abandoned wholesale. The system itself needs a reset, and while one might naively hope for a course correction at the midterms, the very first prerequisite is the departure of Trump, whether by being luigied or more natural means.

Until then, the prognosis is bleak. The already wealthy will continue to profit handsomely, and the working-class base that put Trump in power will be left with nothing but slogans and the lingering consequences of their misplaced faith while footing the bill.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 9:24am:

Marla wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 9:22am: Yeah, wow. Funny. Stay retarded, Frank Silence you commie: https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Marla_is_a_Marxist.jpg

I'm sure Marla is flattered that you keep screenshots like that, Bobby.  ;D

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Bobby needs an entire separate hard drive to keep all his screenshots from the last 10 or 20 years.. lol.

Here you go, Bobby... just for you:

https://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/archivist.htm

:)

Carl D wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 9:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 9:24am: Marla wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 9:22am: Yeah, wow. Funny. Stay retarded, Frank Silence you commie: https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Marla_is_a_Marxist.jpg I'm sure Marla is flattered that you keep screenshots like that, Bobby.  ;D In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Bobby needs an entire separate hard drive to keep all his screenshots from the last 10 or 20 years.. lol. Here you go, Bobby... just for you: https://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/archivist.htm :)

Bobby keeps a dossier on all forum members, past and present.

https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5f854ebf1a80ea53fd7df5da/661e6d8928b157369beb905e_organise-files-folders-computer_main.jpeg

Carl D wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 9:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 9:24am: Marla wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 9:22am: Yeah, wow. Funny. Stay retarded, Frank Silence you commie: https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Marla_is_a_Marxist.jpg I'm sure Marla is flattered that you keep screenshots like that, Bobby.  ;D In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Bobby needs an entire separate hard drive to keep all his screenshots from the last 10 or 20 years.. lol. Here you go, Bobby... just for you: https://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/archivist.htm :)

Who else is going to monitor Marxist activity?


https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Marla_is_a_Marxist.jpg

Blooby is like a charming retarded 6yo, accepts anything uncritically.

Marla is a member of ANTIFA


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

Antifa  is a left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States.

It consists of a highly decentralized array of autonomous groups that use nonviolent direct action, incivility, or violence to achieve their aims.[1][2] Antifa political activism includes non-violent methods such as poster and flyer campaigns, mutual aid, speeches, protest marches, and community organizing.[3][4][5] Some who identify as antifa also use tactics involving digital activism, doxing, harassment, physical violence, and property damage. Supporters of the movement aim to combat far-right extremists, including neo-Nazis and white supremacists.[6]

Individuals involved in the movement subscribe to a range of left-wing ideologies, and tend to hold anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, and anti-state views. A majority of individuals involved are anarchists, communists, and socialists,[7] although some social democrats also participate in the antifa movement.[5][8][9] The name antifa and the logo with two flags representing anarchism and communism are derived from the German antifa movement.[10] Dartmouth College historian Mark Bray, author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, credits Anti-Racist Action (ARA) as the precursor of modern antifa groups in the United States.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 10:12am:

Marla is a member of ANTIFA

What is wrong with being anti-fascism?

Are you pro-fascism?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 10:14am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 10:12am: Marla is a member of ANTIFA What is wrong with being anti-fascism? Are you pro-fascism?

:D :D :D :D :D

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 1:31am:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 11:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened. Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs? That's a question. Up for an answer?

That's not how the rest of the world is responding. Many countries are offering to remove tariffs and subsidies. Trump may tip the balance in countries that have always been politically hamstrung in their efforts to remove subsidies. I am hoping it brings about the end to farming subsidies in particular. I think the US and the EU have a lot of them.

The CCP would obviously prefer to crap on it's own plate than negotiate with Trump, but hopefully they end up isolated as a result.

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 12:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 1:31am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 11:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened. Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs? That's a question. Up for an answer? That's not how the rest of the world is responding. Many countries are offering to remove tariffs and subsidies. Trump may tip the balance in countries that have always been politically hamstrung in their efforts to remove subsidies. I am hoping it brings about the end to farming subsidies in particular. I think the US and the EU have a lot of them. The CCP would obviously prefer to crap on its own plate people than negotiate with Trump, but hopefully they end up isolated as a result.

There… fixed.

It'll be a good read when they find out who bailed the dumbcunt out, or threatened him, like Bessent may have by threatening to resign... How many cabinet secretaries threatened to walk if Trump didn't reverse course, I wonder.

75 national leaders kissed his arse??!! F~ck off... bullshit.

The stock market didn't so much rally as was 'fixed', such that last week didn't happen.

Who got rich?

Cui bono?

Trump takes America out of the picture and China will be forced to turn on Russia.
Trump killing two birds with one stone.

More like Trump was forced to back down.

It's all about 'stepping back' and leaving the suckers out in front to fight over a dead end golden fleece.
Britain's  Brexit was a stepping back to leave France out in front to face the music.
Now Trump is doing the same with America and hopefully Dutton will do the same here with Australia.

When China invades Russia officially ( it already has in a few ways). Russia will call on America for help and America will say "No can do sorry. "
When the Moslems do to France, what Germany did to the Jews. You can understand why Britain is saying to France "Well, if you think you are the superior nation. Then best of luck with Islam"  ;D

I think ME, you don't realise what is really afoot and why. You're close, but this time it's not about 'stepping up' to challenge Germany like Britain had to, it's all about stepping back.

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 12:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 1:31am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 11:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened. Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs? That's a question. Up for an answer? That's not how the rest of the world is responding. Many countries are offering to remove tariffs and subsidies. Trump may tip the balance in countries that have always been politically hamstrung in their efforts to remove subsidies. I am hoping it brings about the end to farming subsidies in particular. I think the US and the EU have a lot of them. The CCP would obviously prefer to crap on it's own plate than negotiate with Trump, but hopefully they end up isolated as a result.

400% tariff on China.

https://x.com/AMcCarthyNY/status/1909849497049444538

Australia has just refused China's offer to 'join hands' to fight America's tariffs.
China casts the first stone of desperation.

Step back from China.  ;)
...it's all about stepping back.

1400%

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 2:49pm:

It's all about 'stepping back' and leaving the suckers out in front to fight over a dead end golden fleece.

That's the excuse now?

What will you change it to when Trump's actions break that thread you're clinging onto?

Oh I see what's happening.  Trump has been accused of stepping back from the tariffs, using the language "stepping back" and like "TDS" you lot are trying to own that for yourself.

Hahaha...

There is no bigger tell that reality is starting to get under your skin than these sorts of tactics.

It's must be increasingly hard to be a Trump supporter given the cowardice, corruption, infighting and incompetence that has become commonplace in his administration in such an astonishingly short time.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 3:17pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 2:49pm: It's all about 'stepping back' and leaving the suckers out in front to fight over a dead end golden fleece. That's the excuse now? What will you change it to when Trump's actions break that thread you're clinging onto? Oh I see what's happening.  Trump has been accused of stepping back from the tariffs, using the language "stepping back" and like "TDS" you lot are trying to own that for yourself. Hahaha... There is no bigger tell that reality is starting to get under your skin than these sorts of tactics. It's must be increasingly hard to be a Trump supporter given the cowardice, corruption, infighting and incompetence that has become commonplace in his administration in such an astonishingly short time.

Silly hysterics. That's all you have.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GoHgj-4XcAArbmo?.jpg





;D
https://x.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1910068093717524981

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 3:17pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 2:49pm: It's all about 'stepping back' and leaving the suckers out in front to fight over a dead end golden fleece. That's the excuse now? What will you change it to when Trump's actions break that thread you're clinging onto? Oh I see what's happening.  Trump has been accused of stepping back from the tariffs, using the language "stepping back" and like "TDS" you lot are trying to own that for yourself. Hahaha... There is no bigger tell that reality is starting to get under your skin than these sorts of tactics. It's must be increasingly hard to be a Trump supporter given the cowardice, corruption, infighting and incompetence that has become commonplace in his administration in such an astonishingly short time.

The TDS is strong in JaSin, Frannie and Leroy   :)

So enjoyable watching them tie themselves in knots trying to defend the indefensible.

Frank wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 3:46pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 3:17pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 2:49pm: It's all about 'stepping back' and leaving the suckers out in front to fight over a dead end golden fleece. That's the excuse now? What will you change it to when Trump's actions break that thread you're clinging onto? Oh I see what's happening.  Trump has been accused of stepping back from the tariffs, using the language "stepping back" and like "TDS" you lot are trying to own that for yourself. Hahaha... There is no bigger tell that reality is starting to get under your skin than these sorts of tactics. It's must be increasingly hard to be a Trump supporter given the cowardice, corruption, infighting and incompetence that has become commonplace in his administration in such an astonishingly short time. Silly hysterics. That's all you have. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GoHgj-4XcAArbmo?.jpg ;D https://x.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1910068093717524981

Calling it how it is isn't hysterics Frannie.  You've just lost touch with reality so it seems that way vs the version you've convinced yourself is real so you don't have to question your blind devotion to Trump.

It's just your own version of RF.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 4:02pm:

Calling it how it is isn't hysterics Frannie.

frannie is suffering from TDS so much that he is still claiming the election trump lost to biden was stolen :D :D

Trumpet man now says it was his plan all along  ::)
Is that his excuse for realising an error and back flipping?
Bad bad business that. Lack of respect/integrity.

Are we all supposed to pat him on the back now?
I bet my bottom crypto dollar he and his family made a lot of money from creating a downfall to buy into  it.
“Now’s a good time to buy” he announced on media… everyone saying wtf is he talking about?
Then without giving much warning pauses the tarrifs.

He plays stupid games and I don’t respect that mentality.

I did mention earlier it was probably a slap and tickle manoeuvre, I heed to listen to my hunches better!

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 2:49pm:

I think ME, you don't realise what is really afoot and why. You're close, but this time it's not about 'stepping up' to challenge Germany like Britain had to, it's all about stepping back.

Aww, not another Queensland farmer on this forum, is it?

What's reeally afoot, eh!

Are you a fly in the Oval Office shitter?

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 12:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 1:31am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 11:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened. Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs? That's a question. Up for an answer? That's not how the rest of the world is responding. Many countries are offering to remove tariffs and subsidies. Trump may tip the balance in countries that have always been politically hamstrung in their efforts to remove subsidies. I am hoping it brings about the end to farming subsidies in particular. I think the US and the EU have a lot of them. The CCP would obviously prefer to crap on it's own plate than negotiate with Trump, but hopefully they end up isolated as a result.

I see. So you're hoping DL's tariffs bring about an end to US agriculture subsidies, are you?

Strange. During DL's first term, he paid all the money he collected in tariffs out in increased farm subsidies. Why didn't he just not do tariffs to begin with?

And a supplementary if I may: if DL has all these secret aims for tariffing us, why doesn't he just say what they are?

Wouldn't you think the first tactic in a negotiation is to say what it is you want?

And another, if you're really into free trade and everything, why do you support the biggest tax on trade since the reign of Queen Victoria?

Cheers.

Carl D wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 9:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 9:24am: Marla wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 9:22am: Yeah, wow. Funny. Stay retarded, Frank Silence you commie: https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Marla_is_a_Marxist.jpg I'm sure Marla is flattered that you keep screenshots like that, Bobby.  ;D In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Bobby needs an entire separate hard drive to keep all his screenshots from the last 10 or 20 years.. lol. Here you go, Bobby... just for you: https://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/archivist.htm :)

He's good at it. You gotta hand him that Carl.  ;D

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 6:22pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 12:59pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 1:31am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 11:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened. Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs? That's a question. Up for an answer? That's not how the rest of the world is responding. Many countries are offering to remove tariffs and subsidies. Trump may tip the balance in countries that have always been politically hamstrung in their efforts to remove subsidies. I am hoping it brings about the end to farming subsidies in particular. I think the US and the EU have a lot of them. The CCP would obviously prefer to crap on it's own plate than negotiate with Trump, but hopefully they end up isolated as a result. I see. So you're hoping DL's tariffs bring about an end to US agriculture subsidies, are you? Strange. During DL's first term, he paid all the money he collected in tariffs out in increased farm subsidies. Why didn't he just not do tariffs to begin with? And a supplementary if I may: if DL has all these secret aims for tariffing us, why doesn't he just say what they are? Wouldn't you think the first tactic in a negotiation is to say what it is you want? And another, if you're really into free trade and everything, why do you support the biggest tax on trade since the reign of Queen Victoria? Cheers.

Mebbe read what Trump actually says, rather than just the ABC/Granuiad spin on it.  Could clear up much of the fog between your ears, son of Lahore.

Try.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 3:17pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 2:49pm: It's all about 'stepping back' and leaving the suckers out in front to fight over a dead end golden fleece. That's the excuse now? What will you change it to when Trump's actions break that thread you're clinging onto? Oh I see what's happening.  Trump has been accused of stepping back from the tariffs, using the language "stepping back" and like "TDS" you lot are trying to own that for yourself. Hahaha... There is no bigger tell that reality is starting to get under your skin than these sorts of tactics. It's must be increasingly hard to be a Trump supporter given the cowardice, corruption, infighting and incompetence that has become commonplace in his administration in such an astonishingly short time.

No. It's not the (or my) excuse now. I've been posting this will happen on here for over a decade.

It's a game of Poker over a Golden Fleece and the the bids are just getting higher and higher (inflation) and Britain has already cashed it's chips in with Brexit and now Trump is doing the same. Australia should do the same. Let the idiots keep playing the game like China, Russia and France to name some. I guess some keep betting for fear of losing face and we know that Gambling can become an addiction for those who don't know when to say No.

Frank wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 6:36pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 6:22pm: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 12:59pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 1:31am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 11:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened. Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs? That's a question. Up for an answer? That's not how the rest of the world is responding. Many countries are offering to remove tariffs and subsidies. Trump may tip the balance in countries that have always been politically hamstrung in their efforts to remove subsidies. I am hoping it brings about the end to farming subsidies in particular. I think the US and the EU have a lot of them. The CCP would obviously prefer to crap on it's own plate than negotiate with Trump, but hopefully they end up isolated as a result. I see. So you're hoping DL's tariffs bring about an end to US agriculture subsidies, are you? Strange. During DL's first term, he paid all the money he collected in tariffs out in increased farm subsidies. Why didn't he just not do tariffs to begin with? And a supplementary if I may: if DL has all these secret aims for tariffing us, why doesn't he just say what they are? Wouldn't you think the first tactic in a negotiation is to say what it is you want? And another, if you're really into free trade and everything, why do you support the biggest tax on trade since the reign of Queen Victoria? Cheers. Mebbe read what Trump actually says, rather than just the ABC/Granuiad spin on it.  Could clear up much of the fog between your ears, son of Lahore. Try.

All good. So let's try. When asked by Maria Bartiromo on Fox Business why he was doing tariffs, DL said, and I quote, because we can.

When pushed on this, asking why he was tariffing Canada, a country he entered into a free trade agreement with, he said, because they're nasty.

That's all. If you have any additional explanation, dear chap, do feel free to provide it here.

If you'd prefer to throw a Paki hissy, you're free to do that too.

Only a Homosexual can win this game.
I guess I'm out too. ;D

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 6:51pm:

Only a Homosexual can win this game. I guess I'm out too. ;D

Most brave of you, JaSin. We all respect your honesty.

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 6:48pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 6:36pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 6:22pm: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 12:59pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 1:31am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 11:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened. Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs? That's a question. Up for an answer? That's not how the rest of the world is responding. Many countries are offering to remove tariffs and subsidies. Trump may tip the balance in countries that have always been politically hamstrung in their efforts to remove subsidies. I am hoping it brings about the end to farming subsidies in particular. I think the US and the EU have a lot of them. The CCP would obviously prefer to crap on it's own plate than negotiate with Trump, but hopefully they end up isolated as a result. I see. So you're hoping DL's tariffs bring about an end to US agriculture subsidies, are you? Strange. During DL's first term, he paid all the money he collected in tariffs out in increased farm subsidies. Why didn't he just not do tariffs to begin with? And a supplementary if I may: if DL has all these secret aims for tariffing us, why doesn't he just say what they are? Wouldn't you think the first tactic in a negotiation is to say what it is you want? And another, if you're really into free trade and everything, why do you support the biggest tax on trade since the reign of Queen Victoria? Cheers. Mebbe read what Trump actually says, rather than just the ABC/Granuiad spin on it.  Could clear up much of the fog between your ears, son of Lahore. Try. All good. So let's try. When asked by Maria Bartiromo on Fox Business why he was doing tariffs, DL said, and I quote, because we can. When pushed on this, asking why he was tariffing Canada, a country he entered into a free trade agreement with, he said, because they're nasty. That's all. If you have any additional explanation, dear chap, do feel free to provide it here. If you'd prefer to throw a Paki hissy, you're free to do that too.

You are not quoting honestly, son of Pakistan. But you never speak honestly, so no surprise there.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/video/6369721884112

https://www.foxbusiness.com/video/6363231994112


ALL presidents CAN force a better trade deal, by imposng tariffs on recalcitrant and rippers-offers, or otherwise. But only one has actually had the determination to make it an election issue and then, when elected on what he promised, actually follow through and get a better deal.

Frank wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 9:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 6:48pm: Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 6:36pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 6:22pm: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 12:59pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 1:31am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 11:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened. Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs? That's a question. Up for an answer? That's not how the rest of the world is responding. Many countries are offering to remove tariffs and subsidies. Trump may tip the balance in countries that have always been politically hamstrung in their efforts to remove subsidies. I am hoping it brings about the end to farming subsidies in particular. I think the US and the EU have a lot of them. The CCP would obviously prefer to crap on it's own plate than negotiate with Trump, but hopefully they end up isolated as a result. I see. So you're hoping DL's tariffs bring about an end to US agriculture subsidies, are you? Strange. During DL's first term, he paid all the money he collected in tariffs out in increased farm subsidies. Why didn't he just not do tariffs to begin with? And a supplementary if I may: if DL has all these secret aims for tariffing us, why doesn't he just say what they are? Wouldn't you think the first tactic in a negotiation is to say what it is you want? And another, if you're really into free trade and everything, why do you support the biggest tax on trade since the reign of Queen Victoria? Cheers. Mebbe read what Trump actually says, rather than just the ABC/Granuiad spin on it.  Could clear up much of the fog between your ears, son of Lahore. Try. All good. So let's try. When asked by Maria Bartiromo on Fox Business why he was doing tariffs, DL said, and I quote, because we can. When pushed on this, asking why he was tariffing Canada, a country he entered into a free trade agreement with, he said, because they're nasty. That's all. If you have any additional explanation, dear chap, do feel free to provide it here. If you'd prefer to throw a Paki hissy, you're free to do that too. You are not quoting honestly, son of Pakistan. But you never speak honestly, so no surprise there.

Sorry, old chap, where's your explanation?

Look, why don't you just say what you really think? Just express what's on your mind, that's the ticket.

Rollmops, pickled walnuts, your mormor's cheese, and oh -

A nice big Paki Bollocks for old time's sake.

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 6:22pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 12:59pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 1:31am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 11:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened. Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs? That's a question. Up for an answer? That's not how the rest of the world is responding. Many countries are offering to remove tariffs and subsidies. Trump may tip the balance in countries that have always been politically hamstrung in their efforts to remove subsidies. I am hoping it brings about the end to farming subsidies in particular. I think the US and the EU have a lot of them. The CCP would obviously prefer to crap on it's own plate than negotiate with Trump, but hopefully they end up isolated as a result. I see. So you're hoping DL's tariffs bring about an end to US agriculture subsidies, are you? Strange. During DL's first term, he paid all the money he collected in tariffs out in increased farm subsidies. Why didn't he just not do tariffs to begin with? And a supplementary if I may: if DL has all these secret aims for tariffing us, why doesn't he just say what they are? Wouldn't you think the first tactic in a negotiation is to say what it is you want? And another, if you're really into free trade and everything, why do you support the biggest tax on trade since the reign of Queen Victoria? Cheers.

If I am hoping this leads to an end to tariffs and subsidies, what leads you to conclude I support tariffs and subsidies?

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freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 8:02am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 6:22pm: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 12:59pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 1:31am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 11:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened. Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs? That's a question. Up for an answer? That's not how the rest of the world is responding. Many countries are offering to remove tariffs and subsidies. Trump may tip the balance in countries that have always been politically hamstrung in their efforts to remove subsidies. I am hoping it brings about the end to farming subsidies in particular. I think the US and the EU have a lot of them. The CCP would obviously prefer to crap on it's own plate than negotiate with Trump, but hopefully they end up isolated as a result. I see. So you're hoping DL's tariffs bring about an end to US agriculture subsidies, are you? Strange. During DL's first term, he paid all the money he collected in tariffs out in increased farm subsidies. Why didn't he just not do tariffs to begin with? And a supplementary if I may: if DL has all these secret aims for tariffing us, why doesn't he just say what they are? Wouldn't you think the first tactic in a negotiation is to say what it is you want? And another, if you're really into free trade and everything, why do you support the biggest tax on trade since the reign of Queen Victoria? Cheers. If I am hoping this leads to an end to tariffs and subsidies, what leads you to conclude I support tariffs and subsidies?

You suggested DL's tariffs could benefit the global economy in the long term, FD.

We said, oh? DL's tariffs just crashed the global economy in the short term. How could they make improvements in the long?

Not sure, you said. You hope they lead to an end to tariffs and subsidies.

That's interesting, but I'm curious. DL says tariffs are the most beautiful word in the English language. He's said he could get rid of income taxes and replace them with tariffs. As for subsidies, he's spent his career as a property developer collecting them. He puts cows on his golf courses to collect agricultural rebates. He's buried his ex-wife on a golf course to collect a tax write-off there too.

So I ask you this. Why would DL usher in an end to tariffs and subsidies? Every utterance, statement, tweet, word and deed he's ever made or done has been about isolationism and protectionism.

At what point do you think DL will depart from his lifelong views and suddenly support free trade?

Cheers.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 10:26am:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piPJIU47k50

Karnal wrote on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 10:41am:

freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2025 at 8:02am: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 6:22pm: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 12:59pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 1:31am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 11:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened. Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs? That's a question. Up for an answer? That's not how the rest of the world is responding. Many countries are offering to remove tariffs and subsidies. Trump may tip the balance in countries that have always been politically hamstrung in their efforts to remove subsidies. I am hoping it brings about the end to farming subsidies in particular. I think the US and the EU have a lot of them. The CCP would obviously prefer to crap on it's own plate than negotiate with Trump, but hopefully they end up isolated as a result. I see. So you're hoping DL's tariffs bring about an end to US agriculture subsidies, are you? Strange. During DL's first term, he paid all the money he collected in tariffs out in increased farm subsidies. Why didn't he just not do tariffs to begin with? And a supplementary if I may: if DL has all these secret aims for tariffing us, why doesn't he just say what they are? Wouldn't you think the first tactic in a negotiation is to say what it is you want? And another, if you're really into free trade and everything, why do you support the biggest tax on trade since the reign of Queen Victoria? Cheers. If I am hoping this leads to an end to tariffs and subsidies, what leads you to conclude I support tariffs and subsidies? You suggested DL's tariffs could benefit the global economy in the long term, FD. We said, oh? DL's tariffs just crashed the global economy in the short term. How could they make improvements in the long? Not sure, you said. You hope they lead to an end to tariffs and subsidies. That's interesting, but I'm curious. DL says tariffs are the most beautiful word in the English language. He's said he could get rid of income taxes and replace them with tariffs. As for subsidies, he's spent his career as a property developer collecting them. He puts cows on his golf courses to collect agricultural rebates. He's buried his ex-wife on a golf course to collect a tax write-off there too. So I ask you this. Why would DL usher in an end to tariffs and subsidies? Every utterance, statement, tweet, word and deed he's ever made or done has been about isolationism and protectionism. At what point do you think DL will depart from his lifelong views and suddenly support free trade? Cheers.

It gives the US a bargaining chip they did not have before. Apologies, I did not think this needed an explanation.


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Every utterance, statement, tweet, word and deed he's ever made or done has been about isolationism and protectionism.

You are confused Karnal.

Make America Regret Again?

Maybe... but Yankists will not be moved.

Being bone-deep dumbcunts, if Trump told Yankists sh!t was sugar, they'd crap into their coffee.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 11:56am:

Make America Regret Again? Maybe... but Yankists will not be moved. Being bone-deep dumbcunts, if Trump told Yankists sh!t was sugar, they'd crap into their coffee.

Some are beginning to wake up, but, predictably, only through the crucible of personal suffering. Utterly bereft of empathy, they’ve been impervious to reason, unable to grasp the consequences until their own discomfort slices through the fog of propaganda and the rituals of their cult-like obedience,

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With Trumpy 1 as lesson the morons STILL voted for Trumpy 2? NOW they are panicking? Booby level stupidity.

No covid pandemic BUT the killing of USAID will see Ebola and Monkeypox viruses reach the US. WTF will that massive heap of fat and idiocy do with a new pandemic or two?

A sensible approach toUSAID might have been to seek help from allies to carry some of the load.

Ebola and monkey pox will reach us too, courtesy of ubiquitous air travel.

This moron voted for Trump three times, and now he's really hurting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDtDbo3fvM0

"'I never thought I was going to lose this much money': Trump voter amid tariffs"

That's right - they never think.

These MAGA morons were warned.  Zero sympathy.

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 11:05am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 11th, 2025 at 10:41am: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2025 at 8:02am: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 6:22pm: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 12:59pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 1:31am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 11:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened. Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs? That's a question. Up for an answer? That's not how the rest of the world is responding. Many countries are offering to remove tariffs and subsidies. Trump may tip the balance in countries that have always been politically hamstrung in their efforts to remove subsidies. I am hoping it brings about the end to farming subsidies in particular. I think the US and the EU have a lot of them. The CCP would obviously prefer to crap on it's own plate than negotiate with Trump, but hopefully they end up isolated as a result. I see. So you're hoping DL's tariffs bring about an end to US agriculture subsidies, are you? Strange. During DL's first term, he paid all the money he collected in tariffs out in increased farm subsidies. Why didn't he just not do tariffs to begin with? And a supplementary if I may: if DL has all these secret aims for tariffing us, why doesn't he just say what they are? Wouldn't you think the first tactic in a negotiation is to say what it is you want? And another, if you're really into free trade and everything, why do you support the biggest tax on trade since the reign of Queen Victoria? Cheers. If I am hoping this leads to an end to tariffs and subsidies, what leads you to conclude I support tariffs and subsidies? You suggested DL's tariffs could benefit the global economy in the long term, FD. We said, oh? DL's tariffs just crashed the global economy in the short term. How could they make improvements in the long? Not sure, you said. You hope they lead to an end to tariffs and subsidies. That's interesting, but I'm curious. DL says tariffs are the most beautiful word in the English language. He's said he could get rid of income taxes and replace them with tariffs. As for subsidies, he's spent his career as a property developer collecting them. He puts cows on his golf courses to collect agricultural rebates. He's buried his ex-wife on a golf course to collect a tax write-off there too. So I ask you this. Why would DL usher in an end to tariffs and subsidies? Every utterance, statement, tweet, word and deed he's ever made or done has been about isolationism and protectionism. At what point do you think DL will depart from his lifelong views and suddenly support free trade? Cheers. It gives the US a bargaining chip they did not have before. Apologies, I did not think this needed an explanation. Quote: Every utterance, statement, tweet, word and deed he's ever made or done has been about isolationism and protectionism. You are confused Karnal.

Is that so?

Well, would you care to explain why?

That's a question. Feel free to provide an answer

Or not.

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Karnal wrote on Apr 12^th, 2025 at 11:03pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2025 at 11:05am: Karnal wrote on Apr 11th, 2025 at 10:41am: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2025 at 8:02am: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 6:22pm: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 12:59pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 1:31am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 11:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened. Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs? That's a question. Up for an answer? That's not how the rest of the world is responding. Many countries are offering to remove tariffs and subsidies. Trump may tip the balance in countries that have always been politically hamstrung in their efforts to remove subsidies. I am hoping it brings about the end to farming subsidies in particular. I think the US and the EU have a lot of them. The CCP would obviously prefer to crap on it's own plate than negotiate with Trump, but hopefully they end up isolated as a result. I see. So you're hoping DL's tariffs bring about an end to US agriculture subsidies, are you? Strange. During DL's first term, he paid all the money he collected in tariffs out in increased farm subsidies. Why didn't he just not do tariffs to begin with? And a supplementary if I may: if DL has all these secret aims for tariffing us, why doesn't he just say what they are? Wouldn't you think the first tactic in a negotiation is to say what it is you want? And another, if you're really into free trade and everything, why do you support the biggest tax on trade since the reign of Queen Victoria? Cheers. If I am hoping this leads to an end to tariffs and subsidies, what leads you to conclude I support tariffs and subsidies? You suggested DL's tariffs could benefit the global economy in the long term, FD. We said, oh? DL's tariffs just crashed the global economy in the short term. How could they make improvements in the long? Not sure, you said. You hope they lead to an end to tariffs and subsidies. That's interesting, but I'm curious. DL says tariffs are the most beautiful word in the English language. He's said he could get rid of income taxes and replace them with tariffs. As for subsidies, he's spent his career as a property developer collecting them. He puts cows on his golf courses to collect agricultural rebates. He's buried his ex-wife on a golf course to collect a tax write-off there too. So I ask you this. Why would DL usher in an end to tariffs and subsidies? Every utterance, statement, tweet, word and deed he's ever made or done has been about isolationism and protectionism. At what point do you think DL will depart from his lifelong views and suddenly support free trade? Cheers. It gives the US a bargaining chip they did not have before. Apologies, I did not think this needed an explanation. Quote: Every utterance, statement, tweet, word and deed he's ever made or done has been about isolationism and protectionism. You are confused Karnal. Is that so? Well, would you care to explain why? That's a question. Feel free to provide an answer Or not.

Are you asking me to explain why you are confused, or why I didn't think I needed to explain about the bargaining chip?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 5:33pm:

https://i.imgur.com/3xrvfEY.png No, it wasn't an accident. You knew what he was like, you were warned that his second term would be even worse and yet you went out and voted for him anyway. No sympathy from me.

What is your solution to deal with the US's de-industrialization (over the last half century) under WTO "free-trade" rules, when the same rules allowed China to become the world's factory?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 1:40pm:

With Trumpy 1 as lesson the morons STILL voted for Trumpy 2? NOW they are panicking? Booby level stupidity. No covid pandemic BUT the killing of USAID will see Ebola and Monkeypox viruses reach the US. WTF will that massive heap of fat and idiocy do with a new pandemic or two? A sensible approach toUSAID might have been to seek help from allies to carry some of the load. Ebola and monkey pox will reach us too, courtesy of ubiquitous air travel.

Shows what a dismal showing the opposition put up, ay?

The moment the stock markets fell I wished I'd had money to buy ...what a coup!  Buy low - sell high - and never count the opportunity missed from a never-ending rise - better the 5000% increase than a possible 6000% - what was that stupid stock years ago that went from cents to thousands?

Ah yes - The Poseidon Adventure - $0.80 to $280 .... never regret cashing it in at $150  ...

"The mining share that saw a massive price surge in Australia was Poseidon Nickel, part of what became known as the "Poseidon bubble". Its share price skyrocketed from 80 cents to almost $280 in six months, from August 1969 to February 1970, a 350-fold increase. This rapid rise was fueled by the discovery of a promising nickel deposit. However, the price crashed in 1970 due to factors like a collapse in nickel prices, the deposit proving less substantial than initially reported, and the company running out of funds"

We need to put China first and make it great again. Obey the CCP. Obey Xi. Honour the ancestors. Feng Shui.

And I should ask FD the same question, since WTO rules (zero tariffs) obviously don't work for everyone.

Vote CCP for Federal Stock Exchange of the People on 3rd May. A dollar is a freedom.

Zero tariffs do not work given the automatic tariffs of cheaper production costs, tax havening, and such.  all zero tariffs do is make sitting ducks of every economy that has them... China ALWAYS had - alongside massive government loans etc - a 15% tariff..

Only dose too stoopid or dem on da payroll didn't 'know' that... how many of da boyz met wit' Chinese gangstah overlords an' stuff, AY?? And then made rules to permit a quiet takeover ........

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chimera wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 11:23am:

We need to put China first and make it great again. Obey the CCP. Obey Xi. Honour the ancestors. Feng Shui.

The WTO has already achieved that: China is now the world's largest manufacturer (while the US can barely build a ship which anyone wants), and now has sufficient tech prowess to progress its development faster than anyone else, without trading with the rest of the world.

(The current low consumption in China is self-inflicted,  the result of adhering to obsolete  'government debt' narratives).

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 11:30am:

Zero tariffs do not work given the automatic tariffs of cheaper production costs, tax havening, and such.

Correct (well done!), so tell the WTO....

FD didn't want to answer my question , so he clocked off....

You?

The US can only buy Gaza where China has won the South China Sea and several hundred million new citizens/ traders. Even the Himalayas is no tariff wall for Beijing's empire in India.

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 9:18am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 12th, 2025 at 11:03pm: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2025 at 11:05am: Karnal wrote on Apr 11th, 2025 at 10:41am: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2025 at 8:02am: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 6:22pm: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 12:59pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 1:31am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 11:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened. Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs? That's a question. Up for an answer? That's not how the rest of the world is responding. Many countries are offering to remove tariffs and subsidies. Trump may tip the balance in countries that have always been politically hamstrung in their efforts to remove subsidies. I am hoping it brings about the end to farming subsidies in particular. I think the US and the EU have a lot of them. The CCP would obviously prefer to crap on it's own plate than negotiate with Trump, but hopefully they end up isolated as a result. I see. So you're hoping DL's tariffs bring about an end to US agriculture subsidies, are you? Strange. During DL's first term, he paid all the money he collected in tariffs out in increased farm subsidies. Why didn't he just not do tariffs to begin with? And a supplementary if I may: if DL has all these secret aims for tariffing us, why doesn't he just say what they are? Wouldn't you think the first tactic in a negotiation is to say what it is you want? And another, if you're really into free trade and everything, why do you support the biggest tax on trade since the reign of Queen Victoria? Cheers. If I am hoping this leads to an end to tariffs and subsidies, what leads you to conclude I support tariffs and subsidies? You suggested DL's tariffs could benefit the global economy in the long term, FD. We said, oh? DL's tariffs just crashed the global economy in the short term. How could they make improvements in the long? Not sure, you said. You hope they lead to an end to tariffs and subsidies. That's interesting, but I'm curious. DL says tariffs are the most beautiful word in the English language. He's said he could get rid of income taxes and replace them with tariffs. As for subsidies, he's spent his career as a property developer collecting them. He puts cows on his golf courses to collect agricultural rebates. He's buried his ex-wife on a golf course to collect a tax write-off there too. So I ask you this. Why would DL usher in an end to tariffs and subsidies? Every utterance, statement, tweet, word and deed he's ever made or done has been about isolationism and protectionism. At what point do you think DL will depart from his lifelong views and suddenly support free trade? Cheers. It gives the US a bargaining chip they did not have before. Apologies, I did not think this needed an explanation. Quote: Every utterance, statement, tweet, word and deed he's ever made or done has been about isolationism and protectionism. You are confused Karnal. Is that so? Well, would you care to explain why? That's a question. Feel free to provide an answer Or not. Are you asking me to explain why you are confused, or why I didn't think I needed to explain about the bargaining chip?

No, FD, I'm asking you why you made up the bargaining chip. DL just said he's happy with 10%. That's it, he said. Take it or leave it.

Not much bargaining going on, now is there?

So, at what point do you think your DL will suddenly become a free trader?

Would you like a multiple choice, or do you think you have enough to provide an answer?

chimera wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 11:39am:

The US can only buy Gaza where China has won the South China Sea and several hundred million new citizens/ traders. Even the Himalayas is no tariff wall for Beijing's empire in India.

Wrong on all counts, you have displaced graps in a 'battle of the duds'...

1. "traders" (or anyone else) don't live in the SCS.

2. Beijing doesn't have an empire in India; and the 2 countries are close to finalizing agreement on the Himilayan border left by the retreating British empire.

3.  The present conflict in Gaza is due to the failure of the UN to implement its own resolution re the partition of Palestine in 1947(UN res 181) against the wishes of the Muslim world.  (Jews are "unbelievers"....)

4.  All developing countries need (tariff)  protection against  the developed world; even the US enacted tariffs against Britain in the 18th century.

 

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 11:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2025 at 5:33pm: https://i.imgur.com/3xrvfEY.png No, it wasn't an accident. You knew what he was like, you were warned that his second term would be even worse and yet you went out and voted for him anyway. No sympathy from me. What is your solution to deal with the US's de-industrialization (over the last half century) under WTO "free-trade" rules, when the same rules allowed China to become the world's factory?

The rational approach would be to prioritise investment and targeted subsidies into domestic industries, one sector at a time, beginning with those most critical to national security and long-term self-sufficiency.

Only once a viable local alternative exists should tariffs be applied, providing both a buffer for fledgling industries and a choice for consumers. This avoids the worst inflationary impacts while still giving domestic production the space to scale.

As those industries mature and reach economies of scale, the focus can shift to incentivising lower prices and gradually phasing out protectionist measures, without pulling the rug out from under the very sectors you're trying to revive.

This is a structural problem that didn’t emerge overnight and can’t be solved with knee-jerk populism. Blanket tariffs, absent a broader strategy, won’t magically revive manufacturing. All we’re seeing from Trump is economic instability masquerading as tough policy, pain without any discernible gain.

Karnal wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 11:51am:

No, FD, I'm asking you why you made up the bargaining chip. DL just said he's happy with 10%. That's it, he said. Take it or leave it. Not much bargaining going on, now is there? So, at what point do you think your DL will suddenly become a free trader?

MAGA insiders (FD?) are suggesting Trump's tariffs are part of a (complex) grand plan to isolate China which has become the world's largest manufacturer under WTO free-trade rules.


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Would you like a multiple choice, or do you think you have enough to provide an answer?

FD clocked off when I asked him questions about the effects of WTO free-trade rules which are based on mainstream economic theories of 'comparative advantage' and 'free markets'.

You?

Edit: have just seen your answer, thanks; I will reply soon.    

Karnal wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 11:51am:

freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 9:18am: Karnal wrote on Apr 12th, 2025 at 11:03pm: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2025 at 11:05am: Karnal wrote on Apr 11th, 2025 at 10:41am: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2025 at 8:02am: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 6:22pm: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 12:59pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 1:31am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 11:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened. Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs? That's a question. Up for an answer? That's not how the rest of the world is responding. Many countries are offering to remove tariffs and subsidies. Trump may tip the balance in countries that have always been politically hamstrung in their efforts to remove subsidies. I am hoping it brings about the end to farming subsidies in particular. I think the US and the EU have a lot of them. The CCP would obviously prefer to crap on it's own plate than negotiate with Trump, but hopefully they end up isolated as a result. I see. So you're hoping DL's tariffs bring about an end to US agriculture subsidies, are you? Strange. During DL's first term, he paid all the money he collected in tariffs out in increased farm subsidies. Why didn't he just not do tariffs to begin with? And a supplementary if I may: if DL has all these secret aims for tariffing us, why doesn't he just say what they are? Wouldn't you think the first tactic in a negotiation is to say what it is you want? And another, if you're really into free trade and everything, why do you support the biggest tax on trade since the reign of Queen Victoria? Cheers. If I am hoping this leads to an end to tariffs and subsidies, what leads you to conclude I support tariffs and subsidies? You suggested DL's tariffs could benefit the global economy in the long term, FD. We said, oh? DL's tariffs just crashed the global economy in the short term. How could they make improvements in the long? Not sure, you said. You hope they lead to an end to tariffs and subsidies. That's interesting, but I'm curious. DL says tariffs are the most beautiful word in the English language. He's said he could get rid of income taxes and replace them with tariffs. As for subsidies, he's spent his career as a property developer collecting them. He puts cows on his golf courses to collect agricultural rebates. He's buried his ex-wife on a golf course to collect a tax write-off there too. So I ask you this. Why would DL usher in an end to tariffs and subsidies? Every utterance, statement, tweet, word and deed he's ever made or done has been about isolationism and protectionism. At what point do you think DL will depart from his lifelong views and suddenly support free trade? Cheers. It gives the US a bargaining chip they did not have before. Apologies, I did not think this needed an explanation. Quote: Every utterance, statement, tweet, word and deed he's ever made or done has been about isolationism and protectionism. You are confused Karnal. Is that so? Well, would you care to explain why? That's a question. Feel free to provide an answer Or not. Are you asking me to explain why you are confused, or why I didn't think I needed to explain about the bargaining chip? No, FD, I'm asking you why you made up the bargaining chip. DL just said he's happy with 10%. That's it, he said. Take it or leave it. Not much bargaining going on, now is there? So, at what point do you think your DL will suddenly become a free trader? Would you like a multiple choice, or do you think you have enough to provide an answer?

An actual tariff is a far better bargaining chip than the threat of a tariff.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 12:04pm:

1. "traders" (or anyone else) don't live in the SCS.

Vietnamese and Philippine sailors have been assaulted by China for freedom and trade across China's new sea.


thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 12:04pm:

2. Beijing doesn't have an empire in India; and the 2 countries are close to finalizing agreement on the Himilayan border left by the retreating British empire.

'38,000 sq. kms. of Indian territory in the Union Territory of Ladakh for the last six decades'. India is close to surrendering other military defeats.


thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 12:04pm:

3.  The present conflict in Gaza is due to the failure of the UN to implement its own resolution re the partition of Palestine in 1947(UN res 181) against the wishes of the Muslim world.  (Jews are "unbelievers"....)

The US is paying for control, smaller than Himlayas and China Sea.


thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 12:04pm:

4.  All developing countries need (tariff)  protection against  the developed world; even the US enacted tariffs against Britain in the 18th century.

China is 2nd largest impoverished super-power developing poverty wealth, freedom riches and peaceful violence.

 

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4.  All developing countries need (tariff)  protection against  the developed world; even the US enacted tariffs against Britain in the 18th century.

Tariffs do most harm to developing countries. Developing countries would benefit most from the removal of tariffs and subsidies. They have the most to gain from being able to export agricultural products to wealthy nations at a fair price, and being able to sell their labour more cheaply. That is how China, South Korea etc industrialised so quickly.

Not sure exactly what they would even protect with tariffs, as they can generally do most things cheaper internally, so tariffs would just push up the price of things they are forced to import, like machinery they need to establish new industries or improve old ones (eg, tractors).

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 12:36pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 11:51am: freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 9:18am: Karnal wrote on Apr 12th, 2025 at 11:03pm: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2025 at 11:05am: Karnal wrote on Apr 11th, 2025 at 10:41am: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2025 at 8:02am: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 6:22pm: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 12:59pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 1:31am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 11:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 9:32am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2025 at 8:53am: I suspect that long term, Trump is going to be good for the world economy. ... That's quite optimistic, considering the fact that everything he touches turns to poo. The only people sharing your view are those who are paid to. "Experts are all but unanimous that the impact on global growth of Wednesday’s extraordinary Rose Garden press conference will be negative – but just how bad remains highly uncertain." Trump won't be in power for very long. His successor will be in a good position to negotiate whatever trade deals Trump does not do himself. China is the only likely hold-out. Your quote does not appear to distinguish between short and long term impact. Obviously there is no denying a short term negative impact, as it has already happened. Hi FD. How is it possible to obtain a positive long term impact when the rest of the world is responding with reciprocal tariffs? That's a question. Up for an answer? That's not how the rest of the world is responding. Many countries are offering to remove tariffs and subsidies. Trump may tip the balance in countries that have always been politically hamstrung in their efforts to remove subsidies. I am hoping it brings about the end to farming subsidies in particular. I think the US and the EU have a lot of them. The CCP would obviously prefer to crap on it's own plate than negotiate with Trump, but hopefully they end up isolated as a result. I see. So you're hoping DL's tariffs bring about an end to US agriculture subsidies, are you? Strange. During DL's first term, he paid all the money he collected in tariffs out in increased farm subsidies. Why didn't he just not do tariffs to begin with? And a supplementary if I may: if DL has all these secret aims for tariffing us, why doesn't he just say what they are? Wouldn't you think the first tactic in a negotiation is to say what it is you want? And another, if you're really into free trade and everything, why do you support the biggest tax on trade since the reign of Queen Victoria? Cheers. If I am hoping this leads to an end to tariffs and subsidies, what leads you to conclude I support tariffs and subsidies? You suggested DL's tariffs could benefit the global economy in the long term, FD. We said, oh? DL's tariffs just crashed the global economy in the short term. How could they make improvements in the long? Not sure, you said. You hope they lead to an end to tariffs and subsidies. That's interesting, but I'm curious. DL says tariffs are the most beautiful word in the English language. He's said he could get rid of income taxes and replace them with tariffs. As for subsidies, he's spent his career as a property developer collecting them. He puts cows on his golf courses to collect agricultural rebates. He's buried his ex-wife on a golf course to collect a tax write-off there too. So I ask you this. Why would DL usher in an end to tariffs and subsidies? Every utterance, statement, tweet, word and deed he's ever made or done has been about isolationism and protectionism. At what point do you think DL will depart from his lifelong views and suddenly support free trade? Cheers. It gives the US a bargaining chip they did not have before. Apologies, I did not think this needed an explanation. Quote: Every utterance, statement, tweet, word and deed he's ever made or done has been about isolationism and protectionism. You are confused Karnal. Is that so? Well, would you care to explain why? That's a question. Feel free to provide an answer Or not. Are you asking me to explain why you are confused, or why I didn't think I needed to explain about the bargaining chip? No, FD, I'm asking you why you made up the bargaining chip. DL just said he's happy with 10%. That's it, he said. Take it or leave it. Not much bargaining going on, now is there? So, at what point do you think your DL will suddenly become a free trader? Would you like a multiple choice, or do you think you have enough to provide an answer? An actual tariff is a far better bargaining chip than the threat of a tariff.

Don't want to say, eh?

All good, here's the multiple. DL has plans to remove all tariffs and create a free trade utopia:

a) In 90 days, when he reviews his backflip.

b) At the end of his term.

C) Never ever.

d) We'll need to wait and see what happens.

chimera wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 12:37pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 12:04pm: 1. "traders" (or anyone else) don't live in the SCS. Vietnamese and Philippine sailors have been assaulted by China for freedom and trade across China's new sea.

 

You said - incorrectly -  "China has won the South China Sea and several hundred million new citizens/ traders."

So now you are trying to correct your error with a new,  also incorrect narrative (... a specialty of yours).

China is asserting claims over some rocks in the SCS (allowing construction of  infrastructure useful for fighting-off US attempts to inhibit Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan.... even though the 2-faced US accepts the 'One China' principle); V and P sailors have been assaulted for disputing those claims via various actions,  not for  "freedom (of navigation) and  trade" which China itself supports to facilitate trade with all nations wishing to ship goods via the SCS.


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'38,000 sq. kms. of Indian territory in the Union Territory of Ladakh for the last six decades'. India is close to surrendering other military defeats.

That's right, during which time C and I had both become asvanced enough to start running up against one another along a border which had  never been defined in history (due to its inaccessibility to sovereign governments in the previous millennia), before the Brits drew some lines without consulting either country. 

And India is not close to "surrendering" anything, so Xi is now more interested in reaching an agreement with India for the sake of good relations (and BRICS solidarity).


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The US is paying for control, smaller than Himlayas and China Sea.

More errors: the US like eveyone rejects UNSC responsiblity to enforce UN resolutions, so now the US is paying to "defend the free world"- which Trump objects to paying for.   


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China is 2nd largest impoverished super-power developing poverty wealth, freedom riches and peaceful violence.

Still covering your blind "freedom values" ideology with more gibberish narrative, your specialty....  the point was the need for tariffs,  to protect developing countries  from developed countries, which the WTO has failed to address. 

China has done quite well under WTO rules; while the 'poor' US has been subjected to DE-industrialization since the 70s when Japan won the competition in car exports which pauperized Detroit, long before China's rise.

And now Trump has to deny US consumers access to the most affordable, quality EVs in the world (from BYD etc). 

 

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 1:39pm:

China is asserting claims over some rocks in the SCS ; V and P sailors have been assaulted for disputing those claims via various actions,

(fishing, delivering supplies).  With China's navy to help, SE Asian traders can now submit to Beijing Power.


thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 1:39pm:

a border which had  never been defined in history , before the Brits drew some lines without consulting either country.  And India is not close to "surrendering" anything, so Xi is now more interested in reaching an agreement with India for the sake of good relations (and BRICS solidarity).

Move the line southward, OK? It's all agreed by Beijing.

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 12:45pm:

Quote: 4.  All developing countries need (tariff)  protection against  the developed world; even the US enacted tariffs against Britain in the 18th century. Tariffs do most harm to developing countries.

Wrong: developing countries  cannot develop manufacturing skills without a protected home market which can ensure a market for those locally produced goods; eg, India kept making the same Austin model for years protected by tariffs, after the Brits left, to develop their own motor industry. 


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Developing countries would benefit most from the removal of tariffs and subsidies. They have the most to gain from being able to export agricultural products to wealthy nations at a fair price, and being able to sell their labour more cheaply. That is how China, South Korea etc industrialised so quickly.

2 errors:

1. China could never export food, it couldn't even feed itself. And the US protects its own farmers against certain 3rd world products eg cotton. 

2. Industrialization is not ensured by income from exports. 


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Not sure exactly what they would even protect with tariffs,

They would use the income from selling "cheap food" in a world without tariffs or other barriers -  which doesn't exist eg re US protection of agriculture:

(google)

Governments (including the US)  subsidize cotton farmers through various means, including direct payments, input subsidies, and price support mechanisms. These subsidies aim to support cotton production and ensure a stable income for farmers, particularly during periods of low market prices


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as they can generally do most things cheaper internally, ...

They might grow food more cheaply, even via subsistence farming.


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so tariffs would just push up the price of things they are forced to import, like machinery they need to establish new industries or improve old ones (eg, tractors).

No; they don't have a tractor industry yet,  so they wont put tariffs on tractors, until they have a nascent tractor manufacturing industry to protect. 

And they already have cheaper foods not requiring  tariff protection in overseas markets (hopefully...) 

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 12:27pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 11:18am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2025 at 5:33pm: https://i.imgur.com/3xrvfEY.png No, it wasn't an accident. You knew what he was like, you were warned that his second term would be even worse and yet you went out and voted for him anyway. No sympathy from me. What is your solution to deal with the US's de-industrialization (over the last half century) under WTO "free-trade" rules, when the same rules allowed China to become the world's factory? The rational approach would be to prioritise investment and targeted subsidies into domestic industries, one sector at a time, beginning with those most critical to national security and long-term self-sufficiency.

Indeed, but that is not 'free-trade', according to WTO rules, though it IS largely what China - with its low wage-cost economy - has done since its admission to the WTO.   


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Only once a viable local alternative exists should tariffs be applied, providing both a buffer for fledgling industries and a choice for consumers. This avoids the worst inflationary impacts while still giving domestic production the space to scale.

?? I would have thought tariffs are necessary UNTIL a local alternative exists.

However,  can you relate your argument to  Detroit's failure to compete with Japan motors in the 70's, under WTO zero tariff rules, and the subsequent economic disaster which befell the city?

I'm having trouble with how you think Detroit - almost entirely dependent on car manufacturing (and formerly aka "the motor capital of the world") could have "developed a viable alternative", with or  without tariffs. 


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As those industries mature and reach economies of scale, the focus can shift to incentivising lower prices and gradually phasing out protectionist measures, without pulling the rug out from under the very sectors you're trying to revive.

Until competition destroys the local industry, what then?


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This is a structural problem that didn’t emerge overnight and can’t be solved with knee-jerk populism. Blanket tariffs, absent a broader strategy, won’t magically revive manufacturing. All we’re seeing from Trump is economic instability masquerading as tough policy, pain without any discernible gain.

Correct.
 
So how CAN Trump revive essential manufacturig in the US?

Note: Britain is facing nationalization of its last remaining steel plant (owned by - you guessed it -  China) because the plant can't compete in trade exposed  markets, and reversion to private UK ownership can't save it either, given 'economy of scale' in China (and low wages compared to Britain).   

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 2:50pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 12:27pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 11:18am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2025 at 5:33pm: https://i.imgur.com/3xrvfEY.png No, it wasn't an accident. You knew what he was like, you were warned that his second term would be even worse and yet you went out and voted for him anyway. No sympathy from me. What is your solution to deal with the US's de-industrialization (over the last half century) under WTO "free-trade" rules, when the same rules allowed China to become the world's factory? The rational approach would be to prioritise investment and targeted subsidies into domestic industries, one sector at a time, beginning with those most critical to national security and long-term self-sufficiency. Indeed, but that is not 'free-trade', according to WTO rules, though it IS largely what China - with its low wage-cost economy - has done since its admission to the WTO.    Quote: Only once a viable local alternative exists should tariffs be applied, providing both a buffer for fledgling industries and a choice for consumers. This avoids the worst inflationary impacts while still giving domestic production the space to scale. ?? I would have thought tariffs are necessary UNTIL a local alternative exists. However,  can you relate your argument to  Detroit's failure to compete with Japan motors in the 70's, under WTO zero tariff rules, and the subsequent economic disaster which befell the city? I'm having trouble with how you think Detroit - almost entirely dependent on car manufacturing (and formerly aka "the motor capital of the world") could have "developed a viable alternative", with or  without tariffs.  [quote]As those industries mature and reach economies of scale, the focus can shift to incentivising lower prices and gradually phasing out protectionist measures, without pulling the rug out from under the very sectors you're trying to revive.

Until competition destroys the local industry, what then?


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This is a structural problem that didn’t emerge overnight and can’t be solved with knee-jerk populism. Blanket tariffs, absent a broader strategy, won’t magically revive manufacturing. All we’re seeing from Trump is economic instability masquerading as tough policy, pain without any discernible gain.

Correct.
 
So how CAN Trump revive essential manufacturig in the US?

Note: Britain is facing nationalization of its last remaining steel plant (owned by - you guessed it -  China) because the plant can't compete in trade exposed  markets, and reversion to private UK ownership can't save it either, given 'economy of scale' in China (and low wages compared to Britain).   
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As anyone who follows my posts knows, I am a HUGE fan of China.

Hard working
Focused
President Xi has his funding going to the best and the brightest ( unicorns)
Whilst Australia pours its funding into the drug addicts and alcoholics now scamming the NDIS .

You are correct.

The west can't compete with China.

The west are fat entitled and lazy.

They see being a " consumer" as a legitimate job  :D :D

I shall enjoy watching Trump teach them to live within their means

aquascoot is now homeless and can be contacted at Raw Prawn Chinese Soup-Kitchen or under Kangaroo Point Bridge, Brisbane.

chimera wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 5:05pm:

aquascoot is now homeless and can be contacted at Raw Prawn Chinese Soup-Kitchen or under Kangaroo Point Bridge, Brisbane.

So sad. Still, he'll be okay. The Superior Man relishes adversity.

Aquascoot's foreign travel, three cars and the hobby farm with all mod cons are a testament to that.

It's the Chows we need to worry about here. Aquascoot wants to reward their dedication and persistence.

No, it's not enough that Xi keeps their wages down, now they have to cop a 104% tariff. Aquascoot must be apoplectic. How can DL do something like this? It's sheer, wonton destruction!

Despicable stuff.

It's good to see Aquascoot standing by his guns and sticking up for his principles. Aquascoot stands with Chi-na.

You?

There's a mixed message from Aha Scut like combination rice. He likes his Chinaman thin and wiry, like in the Great Industrial Revolution of 16 hour days for spindly kids in coal mines. Work for the ruling oligarchy, turnover millions and they get a frig full of non-consumables.

chimera wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 6:04pm:

There's a mixed message from Aha Scut like combination rice. He likes his Chinaman thin and wiry, like in the Great Industrial Revolution of 16 hour days for spindly kids in coal mines. Work for the ruling oligarchy, turnover millions and they get a frig full of non-consumables.

Yes, but Aquascoot plans to sell our fine Aussie beef to Chi-na, you see. That'll make them nice and buff.

Better hit the gym too, Chows. It works if you work it.

So DL tariffed their arse. The best we can do is send over some food. It's just what good neighbours are there for, no?

Oh, looks like AUKUS is tanked too. Looks like we'll need to join in with the Chows and stop all this American nonsense. You've gotta bounce out of bed with a plan.

DL never got that. He could learn a thing or two from the Chows, eh?

Aquascoot should put this in his next email.

Karnal wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 5:51pm:

chimera wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 5:05pm: aquascoot is now homeless and can be contacted at Raw Prawn Chinese Soup-Kitchen or under Kangaroo Point Bridge, Brisbane. So sad. Still, he'll be okay. The Superior Man relishes adversity. Aquascoot's foreign travel, three cars and the hobby farm with all mod cons are a testament to that. It's the Chows we need to worry about here. Aquascoot wants to reward their dedication and persistence. No, it's not enough that Xi keeps their wages down, now they have to cop a 104% tariff. Aquascoot must be apoplectic. How can DL do something like this? It's sheer, wonton destruction! Despicable stuff. It's good to see Aquascoot standing by his guns and sticking up for his principles. Aquascoot stands with Chi-na. You?

The leftie intellectuals were no match for Trump.

Weak, overly emotional, ungrounded, self righteous, unpatriotic is how they are seen.

President Xi however is a match for Trump and more then a match for fat lazy Americans.

Strong, ruthless, industrious, patriotic,  Xi is a man who bounces out of bed and embraces hard work



When he meets aquascoot, he meets a like minded individual

Karnal wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 6:55pm:

. You've gotta bounce out of bed with a plan.

aquascoot (I could spend half my life texting about him, why is that?) does plans like all Trump's boys. Trump does plans in the last 10 seconds before an Executive Order is signed. Sometimes he has no plan as when he crashed the Planet Earth into a paywall of Great Tariffs. It bounced.

chimera wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 7:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 6:55pm: . You've gotta bounce out of bed with a plan. aquascoot (I could spend half my life texting about him, why is that?) does plans like all Trump's boys. Trump does plans in the last 10 seconds before an Executive Order is signed. Sometimes he has no plan as when he crashed the Planet Earth into a paywall of Great Tariffs. It bounced.

I emailed Donny and told him a fight with China is going to end badly because the Chinese are resilient and patriotic.
Donny , I said, the average Chinaman is simply a superior worker to the average American.


He agreed.
He said, we are going to have to burn it all down to rebuild it.

Just like an old termite infested hotel , you want to turn into Trump towers.

Sometimes you have to strip it right back to the foundations to start again.


Think " Gaza"

aquascoot wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 7:17pm:

chimera wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 7:06pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 6:55pm: . You've gotta bounce out of bed with a plan. aquascoot (I could spend half my life texting about him, why is that?) does plans like all Trump's boys. Trump does plans in the last 10 seconds before an Executive Order is signed. Sometimes he has no plan as when he crashed the Planet Earth into a paywall of Great Tariffs. It bounced. I emailed Donny and told him a fight with China is going to end badly because the Chinese are resilient and patriotic. Donny , I said, the average Chinaman is simply a superior worker to the average American. He agreed. He said, we are going to have to burn it all down to rebuild it. Just like an old termite infested hotel , you want to turn into Trump towers. Sometimes you have to strip it right back to the foundations to start again. Think " Gaza"

Burn the village in order to save it, you say?

This guy is something else. Terrorist maybe. Molotov cocktail comrade.  Unhinged. Kook.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 4:54pm:

I shall enjoy watching Trump teach them to live within their means

There is no sadder indictment of the MAGA movement than the galling reality that, instead of ushering in prosperity and “so much winning” people would grow weary of it, its adherents are now being lectured to accept austerity, rebranded as “living within your means”. In other words, stop complaining about being poor?

Surely, that’s what they thought they were voting for...

And who better to champion the virtues of financial restraint than Donald Trump, a man whose business record reads like a cautionary tale in fiscal recklessness and bankruptcy acrobatics.

At what point will the penny drop? The entire MAGA project has been a monumental grift, with working-class Americans led like lambs to the slaughter, willing sacrifices to pad the fortunes of Trump and his wealthy benefactors.

The latest round of tariffs and deliberate market interference only underscores the obvious, this was never about restoring greatness. It’s always been about consolidating wealth and power, and exploiting the credulous along the way.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 9:07pm:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 4:54pm: I shall enjoy watching Trump teach them to live within their means There is no sadder indictment of the MAGA movement than the galling reality that, instead of ushering in prosperity and “so much winning” people would grow weary of it, its adherents are now being lectured to accept austerity, rebranded as “living within your means”. In other words, stop complaining about being poor? Surely, that’s what they thought they were voting for... And who better to champion the virtues of financial restraint than Donald Trump, a man whose business record reads like a cautionary tale in fiscal recklessness and bankruptcy acrobatics. At what point will the penny drop? The entire MAGA project has been a monumental grift, with working-class Americans led like lambs to the slaughter, willing sacrifices to pad the fortunes of Trump and his wealthy benefactors. The latest round of tariffs and deliberate market interference only underscores the obvious, this was never about restoring greatness. It’s always been about consolidating wealth and power, and exploiting the credulous along the way.

For many of the TDS-afflicted cult members, the penny will never drop.

They'll always find a way to excuse his incompetence and/or blame someone else for his bugger-ups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYDjIpg98io

Underpinning all American berserks is the sense of immediate existential threat.

Most of the past ones were of invasion of one kind or another.

This one appears predicated on the sense of immediate economic existential threat, even if it has been couched by Trump as economic sabotage of the US by foreigners - an invasion of sorts.

America's mega-billionaires, billionaires and up-coming billionaires, almost all to a man, have crawled over broken glass to kneel at Trump's feet as if he were the coordinator of lifeboat places on a sinking ship - to be in that number when the economic ship goes down.

90% of Yankists are bone-deep dumbcunts who have bought the line that Trump's sending another ship to save them, so there's no need for a lifeboat place for them.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 9:49pm:

Underpinning all American berserks is the sense of immediate existential threat. Most of the past ones were of invasion of one kind or another. This one appears predicated on the sense of immediate economic existential threat, even if it has been couched by Trump as economic sabotage of the US by foreigners - an invasion of sorts. America's mega-billionaires, billionaires and up-coming billionaires, almost all to a man, have crawled over broken glass to kneel at Trump's feet as if he were the coordinator of lifeboat places on a sinking ship - to be in that number when the economic ship goes down. 90% of Yankists are bone-deep dumbcunts who have bought the line that Trump's sending another ship to save them, so there's no need for a lifeboat place for them.

Little do the know they're the fuel for the ship...

aquascoot wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 7:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 5:51pm: chimera wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 5:05pm: aquascoot is now homeless and can be contacted at Raw Prawn Chinese Soup-Kitchen or under Kangaroo Point Bridge, Brisbane. So sad. Still, he'll be okay. The Superior Man relishes adversity. Aquascoot's foreign travel, three cars and the hobby farm with all mod cons are a testament to that. It's the Chows we need to worry about here. Aquascoot wants to reward their dedication and persistence. No, it's not enough that Xi keeps their wages down, now they have to cop a 104% tariff. Aquascoot must be apoplectic. How can DL do something like this? It's sheer, wonton destruction! Despicable stuff. It's good to see Aquascoot standing by his guns and sticking up for his principles. Aquascoot stands with Chi-na. You? The leftie intellectuals were no match for Trump. Weak, overly emotional, ungrounded, self righteous, unpatriotic is how they are seen. President Xi however is a match for Trump and more then a match for fat lazy Americans. Strong, ruthless, industrious, patriotic,  Xi is a man who bounces out of bed and embraces hard work When he meets aquascoot, he meets a like minded individual

Just so. Xi embraces hard wok, no?

So why's DL trying to gut him like a fish?

The chodes should be happy. DL's just cut the tariffs on their Iphones.

Their Maccas and Netflix will be next.

Incorrect.

Donny isn't trying to gut XI like a fish.

He admires Xi.

He is trying to get the American people to be patriotic and build stuff like Xi has been able to do.

He is cutting up the credit card and telling Americans it is "not on" to use Chinese as cheap Labor in the same way Lincoln made a stand that it was not on to use blacks as cheap Labor.

The republicans ended slavery.

I'm sure the lazy democrats in 1864 were screaming that he Lincoln was going to cause inflation and a recession by making them work harder themselves, but he did it anyway and was shot for his efforts.

Probably donny gets shot.

It's easier to shoot someone then bounce out of bed and start a business and compete with the diligent Chinese worker

aquascoot wrote on Apr 14^th, 2025 at 5:04am:

Incorrect. Donny isn't trying to gut XI like a fish. He admires Xi. He is trying to get the American people to be patriotic and build stuff like Xi has been able to do. He is cutting up the credit card and telling Americans it is "not on" to use Chinese as cheap Labor in the same way Lincoln made a stand that it was not on to use blacks as cheap Labor. The republicans ended slavery. I'm sure the lazy democrats in 1864 were screaming that he Lincoln was going to cause inflation and a recession by making them work harder themselves, but he did it anyway and was shot for his efforts. Probably donny gets shot. It's easier to shoot someone then bounce out of bed and start a business and compete with the diligent Chinese worker

The core issue with your rhetoric, and your applause for Trump’s current direction, is that it’s a direct contradiction of what he campaigned on, and what voters ostensibly endorsed.

The very policies you're now championing stem almost verbatim from Project 2025, a blueprint not for populist uplift, but for the re-engineering of American society along lines of hierarchy, economic nationalism, and austere moralism. Its vision is clear: bring back punishing, low-paid labour, gut welfare systems, and silence complaints under the hollow mantra of “living within your means”.

But let’s not pretend this is what people voted for. During the September debate, Trump flatly disavowed any involvement with Project 2025, labelling parts of it “absolutely ridiculous and abysmal”, and admitting he hadn’t read the nearly 1,000-page document, nor did he intend to. That’s not strategic ambiguity, that’s open disinterest or deliberate misdirection.

And even if you're willing to forgive the ideological backflip, just as the Republican and Democratic parties slowly swapped moral identities through the Gilded Age, the New Deal realignment, and the Civil Rights era, you’re left staring at something far worse: an administration enacting policies that not only fail to enrich the poor, but actively accelerate systemic collapse.

This isn’t about helping people “live within their means”, it’s about rendering the system unlivable. And when that collapse comes, I fully expect your next pivot will be to champion Trump as the destroyer of a broken order, your messiah of managed ruin.

Will the MAGA faithful follow suit? Will the hats come out once again to chant:

Crash It to Save It!

Bankrupt the Beast!

Shut It Down, Build It Right!

Default for Freedom!

No Bailouts, No Masters!

Crash the Fed, Free the People!

Or will we once again see hundreds of thousands of digital mea culpas, screenshots of regret scattered across social media like confetti after a failed parade?

Speaking of...

https://i.imgur.com/qVoZ0UL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/yAU28aX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ir1COzq.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/a2qkWpr.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Je7mPuq.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Yua4sMv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ObkiAVO.jpg

What people want

And what's actually good for them are totally different things.


People want comfort safety and pleasure.

What's good for them is NOT having Chinese slave away all day so they can have 50 cheap T shirts and 20 pairs of cheap sneakers.

It's not good for them,  for the Chinese worker or the planet.

Maybe it's time they reassessed their reason for
Bouncing out of bed in the morning.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 14^th, 2025 at 6:58am:

What people want And what's actually good for them are totally different things. People want comfort safety and pleasure. What's good for them is NOT having Chinese slave away all day so they can have 50 cheap T shirts and 20 pairs of cheap sneakers. It's not good for them,  for the Chinese worker or the planet. Maybe it's time they reassessed their reason for Bouncing out of bed in the morning.

So you'd advocating against Democrocy and instead someone else should decide what's good for the people?

Hi Skippy.

Apple In China have nets around the building to catch workers trying to jump to their death.

I'm advocating that Americans don't need a new I phone every year.

Maybe they could consume a little less.

Especially when it's all funded by debt.

Thoughts ?

aquascoot wrote on Apr 14^th, 2025 at 8:06am:

Hi Skippy. Apple In China have nets around the building to catch workers trying to jump to their death. I'm advocating that Americans don't need a new I phone every year. Maybe they could consume a little less. Especially when it's all funded by debt. Thoughts ?

You got that right.

Blind, manic consumerism is what is dragging the US economy over a cliff.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 12:45pm: Quote: 4.  All developing countries need (tariff)  protection against  the developed world; even the US enacted tariffs against Britain in the 18th century. Tariffs do most harm to developing countries. Wrong: developing countries  cannot develop manufacturing skills without a protected home market

Sure they can. You suffer from the CCP propaganda that the government has to "do something" for the people to prosper. But the CCP actions tell a different story. All they had to do was get out of the way and allow it to happen, and foreign investment poured in to take advantage of the cheap labour. Same story with South Korea. The CCP did not have to prevent the Chinese people from buying iphones made in the USA. They could barely afford to eat.

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2025 at 8:38am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 2:15pm: freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 12:45pm: Quote: 4.  All developing countries need (tariff)  protection against  the developed world; even the US enacted tariffs against Britain in the 18th century. Tariffs do most harm to developing countries. Wrong: developing countries  cannot develop manufacturing skills without a protected home market Sure they can. You suffer from the CCP propaganda that the government has to "do something" for the people to prosper. But the CCP actions tell a different story. All they had to do was get out of the way and allow it to happen, and foreign investment poured in to take advantage of the cheap labour. Same story with South Korea. The CCP did not have to prevent the Chinese people from buying iphones made in the USA. They could barely afford to eat.

How's manufacturing going in Iraqi, FD? They're the next North Korea, no?

But I'm curious. Why would DL, the biggest isolationist and protectionist ever elected to office, be pushing for an end to tariffs?

That's a question. If you don't want to answer, just say why.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 14^th, 2025 at 6:34am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 14th, 2025 at 5:04am: Incorrect. Donny isn't trying to gut XI like a fish. He admires Xi. He is trying to get the American people to be patriotic and build stuff like Xi has been able to do. He is cutting up the credit card and telling Americans it is "not on" to use Chinese as cheap Labor in the same way Lincoln made a stand that it was not on to use blacks as cheap Labor. The republicans ended slavery. I'm sure the lazy democrats in 1864 were screaming that he Lincoln was going to cause inflation and a recession by making them work harder themselves, but he did it anyway and was shot for his efforts. Probably donny gets shot. It's easier to shoot someone then bounce out of bed and start a business and compete with the diligent Chinese worker The core issue with your rhetoric, and your applause for Trump’s current direction, is that it’s a direct contradiction of what he campaigned on, and what voters ostensibly endorsed. The very policies you're now championing stem almost verbatim from Project 2025, a blueprint not for populist uplift, but for the re-engineering of American society along lines of hierarchy, economic nationalism, and austere moralism. Its vision is clear: bring back punishing, low-paid labour, gut welfare systems, and silence complaints under the hollow mantra of “living within your means”. But let’s not pretend this is what people voted for. During the September debate, Trump flatly disavowed any involvement with Project 2025, labelling parts of it “absolutely ridiculous and abysmal”, and admitting he hadn’t read the nearly 1,000-page document, nor did he intend to. That’s not strategic ambiguity, that’s open disinterest or deliberate misdirection. And even if you're willing to forgive the ideological backflip, just as the Republican and Democratic parties slowly swapped moral identities through the Gilded Age, the New Deal realignment, and the Civil Rights era, you’re left staring at something far worse: an administration enacting policies that not only fail to enrich the poor, but actively accelerate systemic collapse. This isn’t about helping people “live within their means”, it’s about rendering the system unlivable. And when that collapse comes, I fully expect your next pivot will be to champion Trump as the destroyer of a broken order, your messiah of managed ruin. Will the MAGA faithful follow suit? Will the hats come out once again to chant: Crash It to Save It! Bankrupt the Beast! Shut It Down, Build It Right! Default for Freedom! No Bailouts, No Masters! Crash the Fed, Free the People! Or will we once again see hundreds of thousands of digital mea culpas, screenshots of regret scattered across social media like confetti after a failed parade? Speaking of...

Correctomundo. Like covid-infected streamers, littering the floor of Trump rallies across the flyover states of America.

Cheap slogans, replacing a lifetime of commitment to free trade. Not even a hint of doubt or pause, just yes, Master...

Four dimensional chess, innit.

MAGA should indeed be careful what they wish for.


If what they wish for is the easy life. Then they are screwed.

And rightly so.

Americans crying poor and masquerading as " suffering" is delusional.

There has never been a more affluent society in the planets history.

A bit of austerity is definitely part of the solution.

Harvest your own crops, get out of maccas and off tiktok

It's pathetic and entitled.

Care factor zero

aquascoot wrote on Apr 14^th, 2025 at 9:44am:

MAGA should indeed be careful what they wish for. If what they wish for is the easy life. Then they are screwed. And rightly so. Americans crying poor and masquerading as " suffering" is delusional. There has never been a more affluent society in the planets history. A bit of austerity is definitely part of the solution. Harvest your own crops, get out of maccas and off tiktok It's pathetic and entitled. Care factor zero

And yet, here you are again - reading and replying.

Maybe not quite zero?  :-/