Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine.

Trump seems to be the only one to realize bad mouthing Putin will only make it harder to do a deal which will make it worse for Ukrainians.

Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin knowing full well the only way to get out of this mess is to make a deal with Putin. Trump has to make a deal with him so hes not going to make the job harder than it already is. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks of Putin or what he says the important thing is to get the best deal for Ukraine and stop the killing. Trump is not going to shoot himself in the foot and start bad mouthing Putin but the media are trying to push him to do so and demonizing Trump for trying to stay cool and get it done.

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:14pm:

Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine. Trump seems to be the only one to realize bad mouthing Putin will only make it harder to do a deal which will make it worse for Ukrainians. Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin knowing full well the only way to get out of this mess is to make a deal with Putin. Trump has to make a deal with him so hes not going to make the job harder than it already is. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks of Putin or what he says the important thing is to get the best deal for Ukraine and stop the killing. Trump is not going to shoot himself in the foot and start bad mouthing Putin but the media are trying to push him to do so and demonizing Trump for trying to stay cool and get it done.

Putin's an indicted war criminal, dear, currently at large from the ICC.

Your DL is the only world leader repeating his propaganda and trying to surrender.

The only way out of this mess is to give Ukraine full NATO membership. Stop invading our friends, Vlad, or we're all in.

We're with Ukraine, Leroy. You're with Vlad.

A slight difference of priorities, innit.

FD wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:44pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:14pm: Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine. Trump seems to be the only one to realize bad mouthing Putin will only make it harder to do a deal which will make it worse for Ukrainians. Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin knowing full well the only way to get out of this mess is to make a deal with Putin. Trump has to make a deal with him so hes not going to make the job harder than it already is. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks of Putin or what he says the important thing is to get the best deal for Ukraine and stop the killing. Trump is not going to shoot himself in the foot and start bad mouthing Putin but the media are trying to push him to do so and demonizing Trump for trying to stay cool and get it done. Putin's an indicted war criminal, dear, currently at large from the ICC. Your DL is the only world leader repeating his propaganda and trying to surrender. The only way out of this mess is to give Ukraine full NATO membership. Stop invading our friends, Vlad, or we're all in. We're with Ukraine, Leroy. You're with Vlad. A slight difference of priorities, innit.

When did Ukraine become our friend?
When they put Boy Biden on various cartel boards?

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:14pm:

Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin ...

I guess they don't like licking the balls of murderous dictators.

You?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:05pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:14pm: Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin ... I guess they don't like licking the balls of murderous dictators. You?

They like licking the balks of Xi, like you.

Must be the soy sauce, no?

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:05pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:14pm: Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin ... I guess they don't like licking the balls of murderous dictators. You? They like licking the balks of Xi, ...

Bobbi has acquired a taste for Chinese seamen.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:11pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:05pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:14pm: Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin ... I guess they don't like licking the balls of murderous dictators. You? They like licking the balks of Xi, like you. Bobbi has acquired a taste for Chinese seamen.

How did you acquire it? Karnal?
I bet it was karnal. You two are very (ahem) close.... in the Navy, to coin a phrase.

FD wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:44pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:14pm: Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine. Trump seems to be the only one to realize bad mouthing Putin will only make it harder to do a deal which will make it worse for Ukrainians. Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin knowing full well the only way to get out of this mess is to make a deal with Putin. Trump has to make a deal with him so hes not going to make the job harder than it already is. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks of Putin or what he says the important thing is to get the best deal for Ukraine and stop the killing. Trump is not going to shoot himself in the foot and start bad mouthing Putin but the media are trying to push him to do so and demonizing Trump for trying to stay cool and get it done. Putin's an indicted war criminal, dear, currently at large from the ICC. Your DL is the only world leader repeating his propaganda and trying to surrender. The only way out of this mess is to give Ukraine full NATO membership. Stop invading our friends, Vlad, or we're all in. We're with Ukraine, Leroy. You're with Vlad. A slight difference of priorities, innit.

But it is universally accepted that the best person to make a deal for Ukraine is Trump. There are many right here that dispute that Trump is the best but they offer nothing, no idea what to do. Karmer and Macron just haven't gut the ability, their own comments have destroyed any chance of a negotiation with Putin. Zelensky is expecting too much, he is not going to beat Russia. Pissing off Putin costs Ukranian lives, Trump seems to be the only one that is genuinely trying to save lives.

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:03pm:

FD wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:44pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:14pm: Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine. Trump seems to be the only one to realize bad mouthing Putin will only make it harder to do a deal which will make it worse for Ukrainians. Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin knowing full well the only way to get out of this mess is to make a deal with Putin. Trump has to make a deal with him so hes not going to make the job harder than it already is. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks of Putin or what he says the important thing is to get the best deal for Ukraine and stop the killing. Trump is not going to shoot himself in the foot and start bad mouthing Putin but the media are trying to push him to do so and demonizing Trump for trying to stay cool and get it done. Putin's an indicted war criminal, dear, currently at large from the ICC. Your DL is the only world leader repeating his propaganda and trying to surrender. The only way out of this mess is to give Ukraine full NATO membership. Stop invading our friends, Vlad, or we're all in. We're with Ukraine, Leroy. You're with Vlad. A slight difference of priorities, innit. When did Ukraine become our friend? When they put Boy Biden on various cartel boards?

Sometimes a question is just a question.

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:44pm:

FD wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:44pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:14pm: Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine. Trump seems to be the only one to realize bad mouthing Putin will only make it harder to do a deal which will make it worse for Ukrainians. Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin knowing full well the only way to get out of this mess is to make a deal with Putin. Trump has to make a deal with him so hes not going to make the job harder than it already is. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks of Putin or what he says the important thing is to get the best deal for Ukraine and stop the killing. Trump is not going to shoot himself in the foot and start bad mouthing Putin but the media are trying to push him to do so and demonizing Trump for trying to stay cool and get it done. Putin's an indicted war criminal, dear, currently at large from the ICC. Your DL is the only world leader repeating his propaganda and trying to surrender. The only way out of this mess is to give Ukraine full NATO membership. Stop invading our friends, Vlad, or we're all in. We're with Ukraine, Leroy. You're with Vlad. A slight difference of priorities, innit. But it is universally accepted that the best person to make a deal for Ukraine is Trump. There are many right here that dispute that Trump is the best but they offer nothing, no idea what to do. Karmer and Macron just haven't gut the ability, their own comments have destroyed any chance of a negotiation with Putin. Zelensky is expecting too much, he is not going to beat Russia. Pissing off Putin costs Ukranian lives, Trump seems to be the only one that is genuinely trying to save lives.

No, it is universally accepted that the best person to do a deal for Ukraine is it's leader.

I just gave you an idea what to do. Starmer and Macron have both put Ukraine's NATO membership on the table, as has our own Sir Tony Abbott.

Thank heavens the grown ups are back in charge, eh? 

Your problem is you're so farmed you can't comprehend anything your DL hasn't said. You're so far gone you literally no speaka da English.

Yes, Master...

There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine

PERIOD…

the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries…

No NATO for NAZIS…

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SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 5:04am:

Eastern Block Countries…

We're back in the Warsaw Pact are we? Kremlin troops in East Berlin?

disgraceful that keyboard warriors like gweg and karmal talk tough and then expect a million young ukranians to fight like they were on the somme in 1915.

i could see these gutless wonders sending white feathers to young ukranians whilst they sought assylum in europe  (its not illegal to seek assylum)

this war should have been ended 2 yrs ago

ukraine gives up a bit of territory and the piss weak countries like germany ( who cant even fight off a muslim in a toyota from killing their people) can man up, spend 4 % of gdp and provide security to their neighbours

last time i looked the usa was not one of the ukraines neighbours

trumps neighbours are canada mexico panama and greenland.

he needs to extract good deals for the american citizens ( his ONLY concern) from these neighbours.


and he will because he isnt a gutless hypocrite like the leftie intellectuals .

he will save millions of ukranians lives

should win a nobel peace prize but he wont because the leftie intellectuals are nothing if not deluded f wits

So the options are, call Putin names, or give him Ukraine?

SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 5:04am:

There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine PERIOD… the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries… No NATO for NAZIS…

How did we get to pro-NATO being pro-NAZI?

Brian's is being proved right with his meme over and over again... We really are in the twilight zone.

It's like we're in the broken timeline after someone made the wrong change.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 7:48am:

SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 5:04am: There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine PERIOD… the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries… No NATO for NAZIS… How did we get to pro-NATO being pro-NAZI? Brian's is being proved right with his meme over and over again... We really are in the twilight zone. It's like we're in the broken timeline after someone made the wrong change.

It will be interesting how much of Ukraine they get back by calling Putin a nazi.

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:14pm:

Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine. Trump seems to be the only one to realize bad mouthing Putin will only make it harder to do a deal which will make it worse for Ukrainians. Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin knowing full well the only way to get out of this mess is to make a deal with Putin. Trump has to make a deal with him so hes not going to make the job harder than it already is. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks of Putin or what he says the important thing is to get the best deal for Ukraine and stop the killing. Trump is not going to shoot himself in the foot and start bad mouthing Putin but the media are trying to push him to do so and demonizing Trump for trying to stay cool and get it done.

Calling Putin a dictator isn't bad mouthing him, because it's the truth. Besides, Trump won't negotiate a good deal. He only cares about what's in it for him and looking good.

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:14pm:

Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine.

Contrary to what you tell yourself, I'm not sure that is the reason anyone calls spewtin names.

Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 8:04am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 7:48am: SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 5:04am: There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine PERIOD… the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries… No NATO for NAZIS… How did we get to pro-NATO being pro-NAZI? Brian's is being proved right with his meme over and over again... We really are in the twilight zone. It's like we're in the broken timeline after someone made the wrong change. It will be interesting how much of Ukraine they get back by calling Putin a nazi.

you can't stupidly think he'd have given back more if they hadn't called him a nazi? ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 8:41am:

Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:04am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 7:48am: SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 5:04am: There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine PERIOD… the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries… No NATO for NAZIS… How did we get to pro-NATO being pro-NAZI? Brian's is being proved right with his meme over and over again... We really are in the twilight zone. It's like we're in the broken timeline after someone made the wrong change. It will be interesting how much of Ukraine they get back by calling Putin a nazi. you can't stupidly think he'd have given back more if they hadn't called him a nazi? ;D ;D ;D

It gives the Russian media plenty of material for propaganda to strengthen Putins resolve. American media is not the only propaganda machine at work here.

Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 9:25am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:41am: Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:04am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 7:48am: SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 5:04am: There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine PERIOD… the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries… No NATO for NAZIS… How did we get to pro-NATO being pro-NAZI? Brian's is being proved right with his meme over and over again... We really are in the twilight zone. It's like we're in the broken timeline after someone made the wrong change. It will be interesting how much of Ukraine they get back by calling Putin a nazi. you can't stupidly think he'd have given back more if they hadn't called him a nazi? ;D ;D ;D It gives the Russian media plenty of material for propaganda to strengthen Putins resolve. American media is not the only propaganda machine at work here.

Russian media are talking about nuking the US... I don't think they need any real-world inspiration to craft their narratives...

It's like you're siding with an abuser blaming the victim, what is wrong with you...

Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 9:25am:

It gives the Russian media plenty of material for propaganda to strengthen Putins resolve. American media is not the only propaganda machine at work here.

The russian media only puts out what spuwtin tells them to. He's been broadcasting his excuses since before the war even began

ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 9:42am:

Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 9:25am: John Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:41am: Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:04am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 7:48am: SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 5:04am: There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine PERIOD… the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries… No NATO for NAZIS… How did we get to pro-NATO being pro-NAZI? Brian's is being proved right with his meme over and over again... We really are in the twilight zone. It's like we're in the broken timeline after someone made the wrong change. It will be interesting how much of Ukraine they get back by calling Putin a nazi. you can't stupidly think he'd have given back more if they hadn't called him a nazi? ;D ;D ;D It gives the Russian media plenty of material for propaganda to strengthen Putins resolve. American media is not the only propaganda machine at work here. Russian media are talking about nuking the US... I don't think they need any real-world inspiration to craft their narratives... It's like you're siding with an abuser blaming the victim, what is wrong with you...

I understand that those that follow the narrative of CNN and MSNBC and believe it all to be true would have some reservations about anyone that that likes to know both or even three sides of the story.

Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 10:00am:

I understand that those that follow the narrative of CNN and MSNBC and believe it all to be true would have some reservations about anyone that that likes to know both or even three sides of the story.

is that how you justify been a Putin Stooge to yourself?

Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 9:25am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:41am: you can't stupidly think he'd have given back more if they hadn't called him a nazi? ;D ;D ;D It gives the Russian media plenty of material for propaganda to strengthen Putins resolve.

Oh yes. Calling him a nazi strengthens his resolve. Interesting.

chimera wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 10:04am:

Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 9:25am: John Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:41am: you can't stupidly think he'd have given back more if they hadn't called him a nazi? ;D ;D ;D It gives the Russian media plenty of material for propaganda to strengthen Putins resolve. Oh yes. Calling him a nazi strengthens his resolve. Interesting.

The more fuel he has to convince Russians that the west is bringing NATO to their borders and demonizing them as nazi's will make it easier for him to go a lot harder in negotiations.

No the question is about calling him a nazi. 'It strengthens him' you say.

Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 10:00am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 9:42am: Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 9:25am: John Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:41am: Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:04am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 7:48am: SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 5:04am: There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine PERIOD… the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries… No NATO for NAZIS… How did we get to pro-NATO being pro-NAZI? Brian's is being proved right with his meme over and over again... We really are in the twilight zone. It's like we're in the broken timeline after someone made the wrong change. It will be interesting how much of Ukraine they get back by calling Putin a nazi. you can't stupidly think he'd have given back more if they hadn't called him a nazi? ;D ;D ;D It gives the Russian media plenty of material for propaganda to strengthen Putins resolve. American media is not the only propaganda machine at work here. Russian media are talking about nuking the US... I don't think they need any real-world inspiration to craft their narratives... It's like you're siding with an abuser blaming the victim, what is wrong with you... I understand that those that follow the narrative of CNN and MSNBC and believe it all to be true would have some reservations about anyone that that likes to know both or even three sides of the story.

I don't have CNN or MSNBC.

Let's look at it this way. 

Imagine your neighbour storms into your home, killing members of your family and forcing you into a corner, leaving them entrenched in your garage and you with what's left of your family in the remaining house.

This wasn’t some random act, it followed years of encroachment, where they first tore down your fence, seized your garden shed, and declared it their own, annexing it if you will, redrawing the property lines and constructing a new fence to extend the boundary of theirs to suit their ambitions.

Now, consider another neighbour down the street, a rather fat guy who wears makeup and has tiny hands. Rather than helping you expel the intruder, he opts to "mediate", but only with the invader.

You, the rightful homeowner, are excluded from the conversation entirely. Their idea of a solution? Not forcing the trespasser out, but rather demanding that you relinquish access to your own swimming pool providing it to them exclusively, in exchange for further help.  When you refuse, they accuse you of starting the conflict in the first place.

And just to compound the absurdity, this so-called mediator has a legion of supporters, perhaps not the sharpest tools now annexed shed, but numerous nonetheless, who parrot the line:

"Oh, forcing the intruder out could cause more harm! Best to let them keep the garage and say nothing bad about them."

At what point does it become undeniable that nearly everyone, except you the victim in this case, is aligning with the aggressor and proposing "solutions" that serve their interests?

chimera wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 10:17am:

No the question is about calling him a nazi. 'It strengthens him' you say.

I can't really break it down much further, you are giving him the evidence he can use to convince the Russian people that the west consider him a nazi and that the security of Russia is under attack.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 10:41am:

Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 10:00am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 9:42am: Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 9:25am: John Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:41am: Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:04am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 7:48am: SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 5:04am: There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine PERIOD… the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries… No NATO for NAZIS… How did we get to pro-NATO being pro-NAZI? Brian's is being proved right with his meme over and over again... We really are in the twilight zone. It's like we're in the broken timeline after someone made the wrong change. It will be interesting how much of Ukraine they get back by calling Putin a nazi. you can't stupidly think he'd have given back more if they hadn't called him a nazi? ;D ;D ;D It gives the Russian media plenty of material for propaganda to strengthen Putins resolve. American media is not the only propaganda machine at work here. Russian media are talking about nuking the US... I don't think they need any real-world inspiration to craft their narratives... It's like you're siding with an abuser blaming the victim, what is wrong with you... I understand that those that follow the narrative of CNN and MSNBC and believe it all to be true would have some reservations about anyone that that likes to know both or even three sides of the story. I don't have CNN or MSNBC. Let's look at it this way.  Imagine your neighbour storms into your home, killing members of your family and forcing you into a corner, leaving them entrenched in your garage and you with what's left of your family in the remaining house. This wasn’t some random act, it followed years of encroachment, where they first tore down your fence, seized your garden shed, and declared it their own, annexing it if you will, redrawing the property lines and constructing a new fence to extend the boundary of theirs to suit their ambitions. Now, consider another neighbour down the street, a rather fat guy who wears makeup and has tiny hands. Rather than helping you expel the intruder, he opts to "mediate", but only with the invader. You, the rightful homeowner, are excluded from the conversation entirely. Their idea of a solution? Not forcing the trespasser out, but rather demanding that you relinquish access to your own swimming pool providing it to them exclusively, in exchange for further help.  When you refuse, they accuse you of starting the conflict in the first place. And just to compound the absurdity, this so-called mediator has a legion of supporters, perhaps not the sharpest tools now annexed shed, but numerous nonetheless, who parrot the line: "Oh, forcing the intruder out could cause more harm! Best to let them keep the garage and say nothing bad about them." At what point does it become undeniable that nearly everyone, except you the victim in this case, is aligning with the aggressor and proposing "solutions" that serve their interests?

Your agenda is clear.

But you see, the Ukrainians are nazis backed by nazi supporters in the west. Calling Putin a nazi is praise and loyalty to him.

Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 11:11am:

the security of Russia is under attack.

Europe only supplied F16s and Leopards because they were forced to by President Obama the communist who invaded Russia in 2014. The Nazi Reich of Brussels stands firmly with Vladimir the Greatest.

.

Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 11:42am:

Your agenda is clear.

I knew you'd find a way to ignore what I said, that was entirely expected.

But I didn't think you'd try to twist it into an accusation of sorts.

What are you afraid of?

aquascoot wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 6:46am:

disgraceful that keyboard warriors like gweg and karmal talk tough and then expect a million young ukranians to fight like they were on the somme in 1915. i could see these gutless wonders sending white feathers to young ukranians whilst they sought assylum in europe  (its not illegal to seek assylum) this war should have been ended 2 yrs ago ukraine gives up a bit of territory and the piss weak countries like germany ( who cant even fight off a muslim in a toyota from killing their people) can man up, spend 4 % of gdp and provide security to their neighbours last time i looked the usa was not one of the ukraines neighbours trumps neighbours are canada mexico panama and greenland. he needs to extract good deals for the american citizens ( his ONLY concern) from these neighbours. and he will because he isnt a gutless hypocrite like the leftie intellectuals . he will save millions of ukranians lives should win a nobel peace prize but he wont because the leftie intellectuals are nothing if not deluded f wits

Your DL will back Vlad, get bored and give up. Ukraine will remain in the war. Your DL will move onto the next thing, claiming victory for nothing.

And yes, dear, if Russia was blowing up Australian schools and hospitals, I'd be doing everything in my power to get them out.

This week, Russia has been sending drones into Ukrainian apartment blocks. No military value whatsoever, it's killing civilians just for fun.

That's the country your DL's handing Ukraine to.

I'm genuinely curious. How does that feel?

Trump seems to have learned nothing from history. I keep coming back to that famous quote by former US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, where he said, "appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive". Trump is taking the US, Ukraine and the world down a very dangerous path by bending the knee to Putin in an effort to appease him. Trump is just like those sick groupies who drool over mass murderers and rapists.

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:14pm:

Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine. Trump seems to be the only one to realize bad mouthing Putin will only make it harder to do a deal which will make it worse for Ukrainians. Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin knowing full well the only way to get out of this mess is to make a deal with Putin. Trump has to make a deal with him so hes not going to make the job harder than it already is. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks of Putin or what he says the important thing is to get the best deal for Ukraine and stop the killing. Trump is not going to shoot himself in the foot and start bad mouthing Putin but the media are trying to push him to do so and demonizing Trump for trying to stay cool and get it done.

It's right up there with telling the Japanese to stop whaling.
No wonder the NIHONESE don't hear their name called on the roster.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 7:32am:

Trump seems to have learned nothing from history. I keep coming back to that famous quote by former US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, where he said, "appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive". Trump is taking the US, Ukraine and the world down a very dangerous path by bending the knee to Putin in an effort to appease him. Trump is just like those sick groupies who drool over mass murderers and rapists.

You would be a crap poker player.
Trump is playing good guy to Putin and thus forcing Putin to save face and play good guy back. Politics for peace, not war.
Trump did the same with Xi and Xi was forced to put on the biggest Chinese welcome for an American President yet and Trump also got Xi to force North Korea to stop firing it's missiles near Nihon.
Seems Trump's tactics work for Peace, not war... much to your Lefty dislikes.
Also, did America like Soviet inclusion on their Cuban doorstep long ago? I'm sure Russia doesn't like Biden's input in Ukraine on their doorstep as well. Think about it.

It is funny that all these people saying we shouldn't call Putin names, support Trump. 

I don't think there is a single people Trump has had to deal with that he hasn't called a name...

Jasin wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 8:09am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 7:32am: Trump seems to have learned nothing from history. I keep coming back to that famous quote by former US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, where he said, "appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive". Trump is taking the US, Ukraine and the world down a very dangerous path by bending the knee to Putin in an effort to appease him. Trump is just like those sick groupies who drool over mass murderers and rapists. You would be a crap poker player. Trump is playing good guy to Putin and thus forcing Putin to save face and play good guy back. Politics for peace, not war. Trump did the same with Xi and Xi was forced to put on the biggest Chinese welcome for an American President yet and Trump also got Xi to force North Korea to stop firing it's missiles near Nihon. Seems Trump's tactics work for Peace, not war... much to your Lefty dislikes. Also, did America like Soviet inclusion on their Cuban doorstep long ago? I'm sure Russia doesn't like Biden's input in Ukraine on their doorstep as well. Think about it.

It's both sad and scary in equal parts that you believe the crap you just said.

Jasin wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 8:09am:

forcing Putin to save face and play good guy back. .

Very good guy. According to Fortune, the Russian president is worth up to $200 billion. This is half a Musk and a good deal.

Jasin wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 8:09am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 7:32am: Trump seems to have learned nothing from history. I keep coming back to that famous quote by former US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, where he said, "appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive". Trump is taking the US, Ukraine and the world down a very dangerous path by bending the knee to Putin in an effort to appease him. Trump is just like those sick groupies who drool over mass murderers and rapists. You would be a crap poker player. Trump is playing good guy to Putin and thus forcing Putin to save face and play good guy back. Politics for peace, not war. Trump did the same with Xi and Xi was forced to put on the biggest Chinese welcome for an American President yet and Trump also got Xi to force North Korea to stop firing it's missiles near Nihon. Seems Trump's tactics work for Peace, not war... much to your Lefty dislikes. Also, did America like Soviet inclusion on their Cuban doorstep long ago? I'm sure Russia doesn't like Biden's input in Ukraine on their doorstep as well. Think about it.

Crimea.

We tried that with Crimea.

Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 8:47am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 8:09am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 7:32am: Trump seems to have learned nothing from history. I keep coming back to that famous quote by former US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, where he said, "appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive". Trump is taking the US, Ukraine and the world down a very dangerous path by bending the knee to Putin in an effort to appease him. Trump is just like those sick groupies who drool over mass murderers and rapists. You would be a crap poker player. Trump is playing good guy to Putin and thus forcing Putin to save face and play good guy back. Politics for peace, not war. Trump did the same with Xi and Xi was forced to put on the biggest Chinese welcome for an American President yet and Trump also got Xi to force North Korea to stop firing it's missiles near Nihon. Seems Trump's tactics work for Peace, not war... much to your Lefty dislikes. Also, did America like Soviet inclusion on their Cuban doorstep long ago? I'm sure Russia doesn't like Biden's input in Ukraine on their doorstep as well. Think about it. It's both sad and scary in equal parts that you believe the crap you just said.

Is that all you got? Thanks for confirming me right with your lack off to prove me wrong. Lol

Ultimately Ukraine will be partitioned with the east and the south ceded to Russia and that won't come as a shock to Ukrainians. No Ukrainian seriously believes that Kiev can govern the east and the south anyway.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 10:39am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 8:09am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 7:32am: Trump seems to have learned nothing from history. I keep coming back to that famous quote by former US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, where he said, "appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive". Trump is taking the US, Ukraine and the world down a very dangerous path by bending the knee to Putin in an effort to appease him. Trump is just like those sick groupies who drool over mass murderers and rapists. You would be a crap poker player. Trump is playing good guy to Putin and thus forcing Putin to save face and play good guy back. Politics for peace, not war. Trump did the same with Xi and Xi was forced to put on the biggest Chinese welcome for an American President yet and Trump also got Xi to force North Korea to stop firing it's missiles near Nihon. Seems Trump's tactics work for Peace, not war... much to your Lefty dislikes. Also, did America like Soviet inclusion on their Cuban doorstep long ago? I'm sure Russia doesn't like Biden's input in Ukraine on their doorstep as well. Think about it. Crimea. We tried that with Crimea. Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

There is a lot of compressed history here but the gist for our purposes is that Crimea was never a genuine Ukranian territory. It was a Russian territory, and before that, an ottoman conquest.


Crimea's strategic position led to the 1854 Crimean War and many short lived regimes following the 1917 Russian Revolution. When the Bolsheviks secured Crimea, it became an autonomous soviet republic within the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic. It was occupied by Germany during World War II. When the Soviets retook it in 1944, Crimean Tatars were ethnically cleansed and deported under the orders of Joseph Stalin, in what has been described as a cultural genocide. Crimea was downgraded to an oblast in 1945. In 1954, the USSR transferred the oblast to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic on the 300th anniversary of the Pereyaslav Treaty in 1654.

After Ukrainian independence in 1991, most of the peninsula was reorganized as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. The Soviet fleet in Crimea was in contention, but a 1997 treaty allowed Russia to continue basing its fleet in Sevastopol. In 2014, the peninsula was occupied by Russian forces and annexed by Russia, but most countries recognise Crimea as Ukrainian territory.[2]



The thinker about that part of the world is that they have long histories and long memories.

I have been generally supportive of some of Trumps policies, even though I don't think much of the man himself. However his selling out of Ukraine to the war criminal Putin is a disgusting betrayal of a people who have against all odds been holding back an enemy who thought his blitzkreig would done and dusted in a couple of weeks.  How is that going for him right now?

Leroy wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 4:43pm:

No Ukrainian seriously believes that Kiev can govern the east and the south anyway.

'In a summit in Moscow in 2008, Donetsk was recognised as the best city in the Commonwealth of Independent States for its implemented development strategies; in 2012 and 2013 Donetsk was recognised as the best place for business in Ukraine.'
The Russian city of Kiev noted problems in governing due to artillery, drones, mortars, hypersonics, landmines, cannon fodder, tanks, bombs, nuclear threats, MANPADS and pistols. This was blamed on the Jews of Zelenskyy.

Leroy wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 4:43pm:

Ultimately Ukraine will be partitioned with the east and the south ceded to Russia and that won't come as a shock to Ukrainians. No Ukrainian seriously believes that Kiev can govern the east and the south anyway.

That sounds very Pro-Russian to me.

And Putin's next invasion?

Putin's economy is in ruins and Trump may order a replacement. Singapore is likely to take over the government of Russia.

Belgarion wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 6:39pm:

I have been generally supportive of some of Trumps policies, even though I don't think much of the man himself. However his selling out of Ukraine to the war criminal Putin is a disgusting betrayal of a people who have against all odds been holding back an enemy who thought his blitzkreig would done and dusted in a couple of weeks.  How is that going for him right now?

I am sympathetic but suggest that Ukranians and Russians are indistingushab.
This is a war between people who are identical except in their own unfathomable minds. 

A hundred years ago Russia was prepared to go to war for the Serbs on account of some weirdo Slavic brotherhood b.s.. 

These are strange people. Both countries are as corrupt as buggery. They are not even two countries. Russia emerged from the Kiev Rus, ffs.

It's a pity they can't both lose. They were brothers when it came to subjugating Eastern Euro p e and the Ukranians were the biggest pro-fascists - after some Yugoslavs- during WWII.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 8:38pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 4:43pm: Ultimately Ukraine will be partitioned with the east and the south ceded to Russia and that won't come as a shock to Ukrainians. No Ukrainian seriously believes that Kiev can govern the east and the south anyway. That sounds very Pro-Russian to me. And Putin's next invasion?

Why?

Leroy wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 4:43pm:

Ultimately Ukraine will be partitioned with the east and the south ceded to Russia and that won't come as a shock to Ukrainians. No Ukrainian seriously believes that Kiev can govern the east and the south anyway.

You can't even spot Ukraine on a map, Leroy, so we can forget North and South.

Your DL's already failed his negotiating. He's ceded to Vlad, so it's over to Europe and the UK now.

Imagine that, Ukraine's number one security guarantor - out. Ukraine remains in the fight. And your DL's off to the Palm Beach International for 18 holes.

Pity JD never learned to play, no? In four year's time, Ukraine will still be at war, and your DL?

In Shady Pines, with Don Junior polling miserably in the Primaries.

Colonialism ended far too sooooon, no?

Frank wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 8:51pm:

This is a war between people who are identical except in their own unfathomable minds.

Race rules OK. The Anglo Saxon Germans are masters of west Europe. Dagoes are south Europe. Slavs hold the east. Purity of breeding is displayed at the Olympic war games.

Belgarion wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 6:39pm:

I have been generally supportive of some of Trumps policies, even though I don't think much of the man himself. However his selling out of Ukraine to the war criminal Putin is a disgusting betrayal of a people who have against all odds been holding back an enemy who thought his blitzkreig would done and dusted in a couple of weeks.  How is that going for him right now?

And this - from Vlad's biggest supporter here, only three short years ago.

Thanks, Belgarion. We'd suggest others here take your lead, but no.

We know. They're way too farmed for that.

Ever get the feeling?

FD wrote on Feb 24^th, 2025 at 3:09am:

Your DL's already failed his negotiating.

The deal is gradually emerging. Putin owns the population and Donald the Great gets the Ukraine minerals.  Division worked for Adolf and Joe in Poland. Greenland is different as it's in the American Ocean.

Leroy wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 9:15pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 8:38pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 4:43pm: Ultimately Ukraine will be partitioned with the east and the south ceded to Russia and that won't come as a shock to Ukrainians. No Ukrainian seriously believes that Kiev can govern the east and the south anyway. That sounds very Pro-Russian to me. And Putin's next invasion? Why?

Because he's the intruding the garage you've ignored.

FD wrote on Feb 24^th, 2025 at 4:03am:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 6:39pm: I have been generally supportive of some of Trumps policies, even though I don't think much of the man himself. However his selling out of Ukraine to the war criminal Putin is a disgusting betrayal of a people who have against all odds been holding back an enemy who thought his blitzkreig would done and dusted in a couple of weeks.  How is that going for him right now? And this - from Vlad's biggest supporter here, only three short years ago. Thanks, Belgarion. We'd suggest others here take your lead, but no. We know. They're way too farmed for that. Ever get the feeling?

How would YOU end this war?

Frank wrote on Feb 24^th, 2025 at 9:27am:

FD wrote on Feb 24th, 2025 at 4:03am: Belgarion wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 6:39pm: I have been generally supportive of some of Trumps policies, even though I don't think much of the man himself. However his selling out of Ukraine to the war criminal Putin is a disgusting betrayal of a people who have against all odds been holding back an enemy who thought his blitzkreig would done and dusted in a couple of weeks.  How is that going for him right now? And this - from Vlad's biggest supporter here, only three short years ago. Thanks, Belgarion. We'd suggest others here take your lead, but no. We know. They're way too farmed for that. Ever get the feeling? How would YOU end this war?

Herro?! Herro..?!

Frank wrote on Feb 24^th, 2025 at 1:34pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 24th, 2025 at 9:27am: FD wrote on Feb 24th, 2025 at 4:03am: Belgarion wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 6:39pm: I have been generally supportive of some of Trumps policies, even though I don't think much of the man himself. However his selling out of Ukraine to the war criminal Putin is a disgusting betrayal of a people who have against all odds been holding back an enemy who thought his blitzkreig would done and dusted in a couple of weeks.  How is that going for him right now? And this - from Vlad's biggest supporter here, only three short years ago. Thanks, Belgarion. We'd suggest others here take your lead, but no. We know. They're way too farmed for that. Ever get the feeling? How would YOU end this war? Herro?! Herro..?!

How about this then, if your plan is to help Ukraine lose the war and concede more land to Russia, the "pro-Russian" stance, what measures would you suggest be put in place to stop Russia from invading again, again, since you seem to be so against the Ukrainian military trying to defend its own sovereignty.

Should they look to the UN, NATO or Europe for support?  Should they create a DMZ similar to Korea?

What measures should they take to stop a subsequent Russian invasion where people like you will blame them and tell them to give up their land stolen to Russia?

Trump is a paying member of team Putin. There is no deal, Trump wants to give Ukraine to Putin.

There is no negotiations between Putin and Trump, Nothing valid can be done without Ukraine being involved. Trump is a nutter, he belongs in a padded room not negotiations.

Frank wrote on Feb 24^th, 2025 at 9:27am:

FD wrote on Feb 24th, 2025 at 4:03am: Belgarion wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 6:39pm: I have been generally supportive of some of Trumps policies, even though I don't think much of the man himself. However his selling out of Ukraine to the war criminal Putin is a disgusting betrayal of a people who have against all odds been holding back an enemy who thought his blitzkreig would done and dusted in a couple of weeks.  How is that going for him right now? And this - from Vlad's biggest supporter here, only three short years ago. Thanks, Belgarion. We'd suggest others here take your lead, but no. We know. They're way too farmed for that. Ever get the feeling? How would YOU end this war?

Not by bending over for Putin and giving him everything he wants plus the opportunity to come back for the rest later and moving on the other invasions unopposed. Na that isn't a solution unless he got you elected in 2016.

.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Feb 24^th, 2025 at 2:44pm:

What measures should they take to stop a subsequent Russian invasion

The US defense budget for fiscal year 2024 is $883.7 billion.
883,700,000,000 for 1 year.  My advice is to go another $2 million and Putin is history.

FD wrote on Feb 24^th, 2025 at 4:03am:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 6:39pm: I have been generally supportive of some of Trumps policies, even though I don't think much of the man himself. However his selling out of Ukraine to the war criminal Putin is a disgusting betrayal of a people who have against all odds been holding back an enemy who thought his blitzkreig would done and dusted in a couple of weeks.  How is that going for him right now? And this - from Vlad's biggest supporter here, only three short years ago. Thanks, Belgarion. We'd suggest others here take your lead, but no. We know. They're way too farmed for that. Ever get the feeling?

Please show us a post where I have been supportive of Vlad.  ::)  Several other military forums I am on have shown many US veterans, most of them Trump supporters, are angry at his Ukraine policy.  Trump has failed to read the room here. 

FD wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 4:33am:

No, it is universally accepted that the best person to do a deal for Ukraine is it's leader. I just gave you an idea what to do. Starmer and Macron have both put Ukraine's NATO membership on the table, as has our own Sir Tony Abbott. Thank heavens the grown ups are back in charge, eh?  Your problem is you're so farmed you can't comprehend anything your DL hasn't said. You're so far gone you literally no speaka da English. Yes, Master...

Good idea.
Let Ukraine join NATO and let the US leave NATO.

There is no Soviet any more and the Euros do not need the US to manage Europe or to tell them what to do. They are grown up now, the euros, they do not need the US.


Europe needs Ukraine much more than it needs the dumcunt yankish  US, after all.  :o

Dnarever wrote on Feb 24^th, 2025 at 8:30pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 24th, 2025 at 9:27am: FD wrote on Feb 24th, 2025 at 4:03am: Belgarion wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 6:39pm: I have been generally supportive of some of Trumps policies, even though I don't think much of the man himself. However his selling out of Ukraine to the war criminal Putin is a disgusting betrayal of a people who have against all odds been holding back an enemy who thought his blitzkreig would done and dusted in a couple of weeks.  How is that going for him right now? And this - from Vlad's biggest supporter here, only three short years ago. Thanks, Belgarion. We'd suggest others here take your lead, but no. We know. They're way too farmed for that. Ever get the feeling? How would YOU end this war? Not by bending over for Putin and giving him everything he wants plus the opportunity to come back for the rest later and moving on the other invasions unopposed. Na that isn't a solution unless he got you elected in 2016.

How, is the question, shitfer brains, not how not.

Belgarion wrote on Feb 25^th, 2025 at 1:05pm:

FD wrote on Feb 24th, 2025 at 4:03am: Belgarion wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 6:39pm: I have been generally supportive of some of Trumps policies, even though I don't think much of the man himself. However his selling out of Ukraine to the war criminal Putin is a disgusting betrayal of a people who have against all odds been holding back an enemy who thought his blitzkreig would done and dusted in a couple of weeks.  How is that going for him right now? And this - from Vlad's biggest supporter here, only three short years ago. Thanks, Belgarion. We'd suggest others here take your lead, but no. We know. They're way too farmed for that. Ever get the feeling? Please show us a post where I have been supportive of Vlad.  ::)  Several other military forums I am on have shown many US veterans, most of them Trump supporters, are angry at his Ukraine policy.  Trump has failed to read the room here.

Come come, Belgarion. If you have not been a Vlad man, I humbly apologize.

If you have, I restate my case to those who are farmed.

Stop taking your meds, gang, and come back in. We're going to need all our friends to stop Vlad and his White House puppets.

We are the world, no?

Frank wrote on Feb 27^th, 2025 at 9:39pm:

[quote author=Karnal link=1740136454/9#9 date=1740162809 No, it is universally accepted that the best person to do a deal for Ukraine is it's leader. I just gave you an idea what to do. Starmer and Macron have both put Ukraine's NATO membership on the table, as has our own Sir Tony Abbott. Thank heavens the grown ups are back in charge, eh?  Your problem is you're so farmed you can't comprehend anything your DL hasn't said. You're so far gone you literally no speaka da English. Yes, Master...

Good idea.
Let Ukraine join NATO and let the US leave NATO.

There is no Soviet any more and the Euros do not need the US to manage Europe or to tell them what to do. They are grown up now, the euros, they do not need the US.


Europe needs Ukraine much more than it needs the dumcunt yankish  US, after all.  :o

[/quote]

Oh, I don't know, dear boy. They'll always have you n'all.

Wonderful wonderful Copenhagen, innit.

Frank wrote on Feb 27^th, 2025 at 9:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 24th, 2025 at 8:30pm: Frank wrote on Feb 24th, 2025 at 9:27am: FD wrote on Feb 24th, 2025 at 4:03am: Belgarion wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 6:39pm: I have been generally supportive of some of Trumps policies, even though I don't think much of the man himself. However his selling out of Ukraine to the war criminal Putin is a disgusting betrayal of a people who have against all odds been holding back an enemy who thought his blitzkreig would done and dusted in a couple of weeks.  How is that going for him right now? And this - from Vlad's biggest supporter here, only three short years ago. Thanks, Belgarion. We'd suggest others here take your lead, but no. We know. They're way too farmed for that. Ever get the feeling? How would YOU end this war? Not by bending over for Putin and giving him everything he wants plus the opportunity to come back for the rest later and moving on the other invasions unopposed. Na that isn't a solution unless he got you elected in 2016. How, is the question, shitfer brains, not how not.

Yes, but your DL's going with the how-not option, so it's all good.

Sometimes a question is just a question, no?

Frank wrote on Feb 27^th, 2025 at 9:39pm:

FD wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 4:33am: No, it is universally accepted that the best person to do a deal for Ukraine is it's leader. I just gave you an idea what to do. Starmer and Macron have both put Ukraine's NATO membership on the table, as has our own Sir Tony Abbott. Thank heavens the grown ups are back in charge, eh?  Your problem is you're so farmed you can't comprehend anything your DL hasn't said. You're so far gone you literally no speaka da English. Yes, Master... Good idea. Let Ukraine join NATO and let the US leave NATO. There is no Soviet any more and the Euros do not need the US to manage Europe or to tell them what to do. They are grown up now, the euros, they do not need the US. Europe needs Ukraine much more than it needs the dumcunt yankish  US, after all.  :o

The reality is Russia should not have invaded, but they did.  Following the invasion, the EU should have stopped buying Russian goods and energy completely, but they didn't, and this continues even today.

In the last three years someone should have made a serious attempt to broker peace, but no-one did.  When China and North Korea joined in allegiance with Russia, the US and EU should have punished with massive sanctions, but they didn't.

But I get it - nuffin' for three years until now when it's all Trump's fault.

Your DL's first move was to blame Zalensky, you poor old thing. His next move was to tell Ukraine to give him half a tril worth of rare earth minerals.  His third move was to meet with Russia to overturn all sanctions.

His next move will be to withdraw military aid and create more death, so yes, dear boy, it is indeed all Trump's fault.

Not only has he sided with Vlad, a crime you want China and North Korea sanctioned for, he's turned against out friend Ukraine.

We'd advise you to wake up and smell the coffee, but alas, you've already passed.

RIP, old boy.

FD wrote on Feb 28^th, 2025 at 1:14am:

Frank wrote on Feb 27th, 2025 at 9:40pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 24th, 2025 at 8:30pm: Frank wrote on Feb 24th, 2025 at 9:27am: FD wrote on Feb 24th, 2025 at 4:03am: Belgarion wrote on Feb 23rd, 2025 at 6:39pm: I have been generally supportive of some of Trumps policies, even though I don't think much of the man himself. However his selling out of Ukraine to the war criminal Putin is a disgusting betrayal of a people who have against all odds been holding back an enemy who thought his blitzkreig would done and dusted in a couple of weeks.  How is that going for him right now? And this - from Vlad's biggest supporter here, only three short years ago. Thanks, Belgarion. We'd suggest others here take your lead, but no. We know. They're way too farmed for that. Ever get the feeling? How would YOU end this war? Not by bending over for Putin and giving him everything he wants plus the opportunity to come back for the rest later and moving on the other invasions unopposed. Na that isn't a solution unless he got you elected in 2016. How, is the question, shitfer brains, not how not. Yes, but your DL's going with the how-not option, so it's all good. Sometimes a question is just a question, no?

Indeed.

Soooooo..... How would YOU end this war between the two largest and most corrupt European countries that are culturally and historically barely distinguishable?

Include Ukraine in NATO, including its openly proRussian Dombass and Crimea. Sounds as daft as most of your other ideas.

Russia now controls the White House, plain and simple. Any hope of a victorious or even protected Ukraine is gone.

Ukraine was the victim of Russian aggression, invasion, and conquest, again. If you believe Russia will stop here, especially now that it has its proxy in the Oval Office, then you're a complicit fool blinded by MAGA loyalty, aka, TDS.

This war was never just about Ukraine. It was about halting Russia’s expansion into Europe, deterring authoritarian land grabs from Moscow to Beijing,, upholding democratic principles and ensuring treaties are worth more than the paper they're printing on.

Most importantly, it was about preserving the long-term prospects of denuclearisation.

Now, it's about something even worse: a failed dealmaker desperately trying to save face, torn between his empty promises to the American people and his need to appease his Russian handlers. Meanwhile, his supporters cheer on America’s retreat from global leadership, leaving allies to fend for themselves.

Trump blames Ukraine for "flirting with WW3," yet it is he who is making nuclear escalation more likely.

But we'd better not call Putin names because it would hurt negotiations?

Wtf...

That's some dear leader poo right there...

Do you remember all those assurances from early 2022? Putin is isolated!! The world is united against him!! Three years on, he’s so isolated they can barely squeeze all the global leaders onto the stage of the BRICS Russia summit. “The world” is “united” only if you mean America and its NATO vassal states. Everyone else wants no part of this. Putin is such a global pariah that Turkey, which is supposed to be one of those NATO “allies”, has applied for BRICS membership. They’re building the post-dollar world—the post-American world, the post-Western world—before our eyes, and we’re still yakking about sea levels in the Maldives in the twenty-second century and the need to install tampon dispensers in the boys’ bathroom.
...
In the past, change was Western: the Habsburgs rose and then fell; Spain was up, and it became the centre of power; it fell, and the English rose; the First World War finished off the monarchies; the British were replaced by the Americans as world leaders; then the Russo-American Cold War was won by the Americans.

But all these developments remained within our Western logic. This is not the case now, however, and this is what we must face up to; because the Western world is not challenged from within the Western world, and so the logic of change has been disrupted. What I am talking about, and what we are facing, is actually a global system change. And this is a process that is coming from Asia. To put it succinctly and primitively, for the next many decades—or perhaps centuries, because the previous world system was in place for five hundred years—the dominant centre of the world will be in Asia…



Half the public, give or take, seems to get that democratic governance in the Western world has degenerated into a racket. Every once in a while, the populist spasms in minor Continental countries erupt at the heart of the West, as they did in 2016 with Brexit and Trump. But both were subverted, very easily, by the Permanent State, at pains to emphasise as always that no serious course correction can be permitted.

Now Trump has a second shot. Can he do what needs to be done? In the time that remains—to him and to our civilisational inheritance?

We changed too much too fast—welfare, immigration, protracted adolescence, the bepenised woman—and, as real change overwhelms us, we will still wonder why everything’s changed. The forces around us are real, and increasingly we are not.

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/politics/how-the-west-was-lost/

Both are called Vladimir, Zelinski and Putin.

Can't be a coincidence... Tsk, tsk   ::) ::)

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 10:55am:

Russia now controls the White House, plain and simple. Any hope of a victorious or even protected Ukraine is gone. Ukraine was the victim of Russian aggression, invasion, and conquest, again. If you believe Russia will stop here, especially now that it has its proxy in the Oval Office, then you're a complicit fool blinded by MAGA loyalty, aka, TDS. This war was never just about Ukraine. It was about halting Russia’s expansion into Europe, deterring authoritarian land grabs from Moscow to Beijing,, upholding democratic principles and ensuring treaties are worth more than the paper they're printing on. Most importantly, it was about preserving the long-term prospects of denuclearisation. Now, it's about something even worse: a failed dealmaker desperately trying to save face, torn between his empty promises to the American people and his need to appease his Russian handlers. Meanwhile, his supporters cheer on America’s retreat from global leadership, leaving allies to fend for themselves. Trump blames Ukraine for "flirting with WW3," yet it is he who is making nuclear escalation more likely. But we'd better not call Putin names because it would hurt negotiations? Wtf... That's some dear leader poo right there...

Ridiculous, jejune nonsense. As usual.



Marco Rubio explains:

https://x.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1895671572813496728

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 10:55am:

Russia now controls the White House, plain and simple. Any hope of a victorious or even protected Ukraine is gone. Ukraine was the victim of Russian aggression, invasion, and conquest, again. If you believe Russia will stop here, especially now that it has its proxy in the Oval Office, then you're a complicit fool blinded by MAGA loyalty, aka, TDS. This war was never just about Ukraine. It was about halting Russia’s expansion into Europe, deterring authoritarian land grabs from Moscow to Beijing,, upholding democratic principles and ensuring treaties are worth more than the paper they're printing on. Most importantly, it was about preserving the long-term prospects of denuclearisation. Now, it's about something even worse: a failed dealmaker desperately trying to save face, torn between his empty promises to the American people and his need to appease his Russian handlers. Meanwhile, his supporters cheer on America’s retreat from global leadership, leaving allies to fend for themselves. Trump blames Ukraine for "flirting with WW3," yet it is he who is making nuclear escalation more likely. But we'd better not call Putin names because it would hurt negotiations? Wtf... That's some dear leader poo right there...

Nicely summed up.