Will Trump finally bring peace?

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-trump-speaks-with-zelensky-says-ukrainian-leader-wants-to-make-peace


Today - 12th Feb 2025 in the USA.

Trump

Quote:

After revealing that he had spoken to Russian President Vladimir Putin about plans to negotiate an end to the war in Ukraine, President Donald Trump said that he has also spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who wants to "make peace." "I just spoke to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine," Trump wrote. "The conversation went very well. He, like President Putin, wants to make PEACE. We discussed a variety of topics having to do with the War, but mostly, the meeting that is being set up on Friday in Munich, where Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio will lead the Delegation. I am hopeful that the results of that meeting will be positive. It is time to stop this ridiculous War, where there has been massive, and totally unnecessary, DEATH and DESTRUCTION. God bless the people of Russia and Ukraine!"

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-discussed-ending-ukraine-war-with-russias-putin-2025-02-12/


Trump makes first big foray into Ukraine diplomacy, speaking to Putin, Zelenskiy

By Reuters
February 13, 20255:54 AM GMT+11Updated 33 min ago


Summary

Putin invites Trump to visit Moscow

Hesgeth says it is unrealistic to expect Ukraine to return to 2014 borders

Bessent, in Kyiv, says mineral deal could serve as "security shield" for Ukraine

No publicly acknowledged peace talks have been held since early months of three-year-old war


WASHINGTON/MOSCOW/KYIV, Feb 12 (Reuters) -

Donald Trump discussed the war in Ukraine on Wednesday in phone calls with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, the new U.S. president's first big step towards diplomacy over a war he has promised to end.
In a post on his social media platform after speaking to Putin, Trump said they had "agreed to have our respective teams start negotiations immediately," and that he would begin by phoning Zelenskiy.
After speaking to the Ukrainian leader, Trump said: "The conversation went very well. He, like President Putin, wants to make PEACE."
Zelenskiy's office said Trump and Zelenskiy had spoken by phone for about an hour, while the Kremlin said Putin's call with Trump lasted nearly an hour and a half.
"I had a meaningful conversation with @POTUS. We... talked about opportunities to achieve peace, discussed our readiness to work together ...and Ukraine's technological capabilities... including drones and other advanced industries," Zelenskiy wrote on X.
The Kremlin said Putin and Trump had agreed to meet, and Putin had invited Trump to visit Moscow.
Trump has long said he would quickly end the war in Ukraine, without spelling out exactly how he would accomplish this.
Earlier on Wednesday, Trump's Defense Secretary, Pete Hegseth, delivered the new administration's bluntest statement so far on its approach to the war, saying recovering all of Ukraine's territory occupied by Russia since 2014 was unrealistic, as was securing its membership in NATO.
"We want, like you, a sovereign and prosperous Ukraine. But we must start by recognising that returning to Ukraine's pre-2014 borders is an unrealistic objective," Hegseth told a meeting of Ukraine and more than 40 allies at NATO headquarters in Brussels. "Chasing this illusionary goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering."
Hegseth said any durable peace must include "robust security guarantees to ensure that the war will not begin again". But he said U.S. troops would not be deployed to Ukraine as part of such guarantees.
"The United States does not believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement".
France, Germany and Spain said Ukraine's fate must not be decided without Kyiv's active participation, with French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot saying Europe would play its role in offering security guarantees for Ukraine even if NATO membership were not immediate.
ZELENSKIY OFFERS MINERALS
Zelenskiy, hoping to keep Trump interested in continuing to support his country, has lately proposed a deal under which the United States would invest in minerals in Ukraine.
Trump's Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, in Kyiv on Wednesday on the first visit by a cabinet member in the new U.S. administration, said such a mineral deal could serve as a "security shield" for Ukraine after the war.
No peace talks have been held since the early months of the conflict, now approaching its third anniversary. Trump's predecessor Joe Biden and most Western leaders held no direct discussions with Putin after Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.
During the war's first year, Ukraine succeeded in pushing Russian forces back from the outskirts of Kyiv and recapturing swathes of Russian-occupied territory.
But Moscow has mostly had the upper hand since a failed Ukrainian counteroffensive in 2023, making slow but steady gains in intense fighting that has killed or injured hundreds of thousands of troops on both sides and laid Ukrainian cities to waste.
Russia occupies around a fifth of Ukraine and has demanded Kyiv cede more territory and be rendered permanently neutral under any peace deal. Ukraine demands Russia withdraw from captured territory and says it must receive NATO membership or equivalent security guarantees to prevent Moscow from attacking again.
In recent discussions, Kyiv appears to have accepted that it will not be admitted to NATO soon but has emphasised its need for military support under a peace deal.
"If Ukraine is not in NATO, it means that Ukraine will build NATO on its territory. So we need an army as numerous as the Russians have today," Zelenskiy said in an interview with The Economist published on Wednesday.
"And for all this, we need weapons and money. And we will ask the U.S. for this," Zelenskiy said, describing that as his "Plan B".

"Peace for our time"
was a declaration made by British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain
in his 30 September 1938 remarks in London concerning the Munich Agreement
and the subsequent Anglo-German Declaration.


https://metodisti.hr/en/2022/01/08/peace-for-our-time/

https://metodisti.hr/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Peace-for-our-Time-840x473.jpg

Peace talks in Munich just like with Neville Chamberlain.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china-pushes-peacekeeping-efforts-end-ukraine-war-wsj-reports-2025-02-13/


The Kremlin had said Putin and Trump had agreed to meet,
and Putin had invited Trump to visit Moscow.
Trump said their first meeting would "probably" take place soon in Saudi Arabia.

Quote:

Russia USA Ukraine peace talks

Just after Trump done a deal to get a hostage back from Russia - Wonder how much of Ukraine that cost ?

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2025 at 7:23pm:

Quote: Russia USA Ukraine peace talks Just after Trump done a deal to get a hostage back from Russia - Wonder how much of Ukraine that cost ?

Look at the big picture -


Putin is a fool,
Russia was never threatened by NATO -
the people of Europe are still too cowardly to fight Russia - except Ukrainians -

the threat was always from China attacking Russia and now
Putin won't get one second of help from Europe or the USA if China attacks.
I hope China does attack Russia - they deserve it -
let them lose an enormous amount of stolen land -
land that they stole from the Chinese over the last 200 years.

https://www.reuters.com/world/eu-warns-against-dirty-deal-ukraine-after-trump-putin-phone-call-2025-02-13/



Kyiv, EU alarmed by prospect of 'dirty deal' after Trump-Putin call


By Tom Balmforth and Bart H. Meijer

February 14, 20254:27 AM GMT+11  Updated 2 hours ago


Summary

Zelenskiy: we will not accept agreements made without us

EU foreign policy chief: 'any quick fix is a dirty deal'

Kremlin says talks would include bilateral track with U.S.

Hegseth says Trump is 'best negotiator on the planet'


KYIV/BRUSSELS, Feb 13 (Reuters) -

Ukraine and its European allies demanded on Thursday that they be included in any peace negotiations, after U.S. President Donald Trump spoke by phone with Russia's Vladimir Putin and said Kyiv would neither get all its land back nor join NATO.
Russia's financial markets soared and the price of Ukraine's debt rose at the prospect of the first talks in years to end Europe's deadliest war since World War Two.
But Trump's unilateral overture to Putin, accompanied by apparent concessions on Ukraine's principal demands, raised alarm for both Kyiv and the European allies in NATO who said they feared the White House might make a deal without them.
"We, as a sovereign country, simply will not be able to accept any agreements without us," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said. He said Putin aimed to make his negotiations bilateral with the United States, and it was important that this not be allowed.
The Kremlin said plans were under way for Putin and Trump to meet, possibly in Saudi Arabia. Ukraine would "of course" participate in peace talks in some way, but there would also be a bilateral negotiation track between the United States and Russia, said Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

European officials took an exceptionally firm line in public towards Trump's peace overture, saying any agreement would be impossible to implement unless they and the Ukrainians were included in negotiating it.
"Any quick fix is a dirty deal," European foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas said. She also denounced the apparent concessions offered in advance.
"Why are we giving them (Russia) everything that they want even before the negotiations have been started?" said Kallas. "It's appeasement. It has never worked."
A European diplomatic source said ministers had agreed to engage in a "frank and demanding dialogue" with U.S. officials - some of the strongest language in the diplomatic lexicon - at the annual Munich Security Conference beginning on Friday.

Just like all wars -

those poor people in Ukraine died for nothing -

Ukraine will lose 1/5th of their land anyway.

The West only ever gave Ukraine enough help
to keep the war going forever -
never enough to kick the Russians out.
That should have been obvious after the first 6 months.
Ukraine was sucked into a war they could not win.

I feel like Ukraine had being carved up by two great powers.   The US private sector had bought up all the utility, roads and essential services in whats left of Ukraine, and now have to give up rare earth minerals to US government in exchange for weapon cache.   The Russians will get 20% of Ukraine's land, and a guarantee that it will never join NATO, or have US troops in Ukraine. 

It is not a country anymore.  It will be indebted  for a hundred years.

tickleandrose wrote on Feb 14^th, 2025 at 8:19am:

I feel like Ukraine had being carved up by two great powers.   The US private sector had bought up all the utility, roads and essential services in whats left of Ukraine, and now have to give up rare earth minerals to US government in exchange for weapon cache.   The Russians will get 20% of Ukraine's land, and a guarantee that it will never join NATO, or have US troops in Ukraine.  It is not a country anymore.  It will be indebted  for a hundred years.

The rare earth minerals lie in the ground in the areas captured by Russia.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2025 at 8:34am:

tickleandrose wrote on Feb 14th, 2025 at 8:19am: I feel like Ukraine had being carved up by two great powers.   The US private sector had bought up all the utility, roads and essential services in whats left of Ukraine, and now have to give up rare earth minerals to US government in exchange for weapon cache.   The Russians will get 20% of Ukraine's land, and a guarantee that it will never join NATO, or have US troops in Ukraine.  It is not a country anymore.  It will be indebted  for a hundred years. The rare earth minerals lie in the ground in the areas captured by Russia.

Reuter said, about 40% are in Russian hands.  There are still 60% for the US.

tickleandrose wrote on Feb 14^th, 2025 at 8:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 14th, 2025 at 8:34am: tickleandrose wrote on Feb 14th, 2025 at 8:19am: I feel like Ukraine had being carved up by two great powers.   The US private sector had bought up all the utility, roads and essential services in whats left of Ukraine, and now have to give up rare earth minerals to US government in exchange for weapon cache.   The Russians will get 20% of Ukraine's land, and a guarantee that it will never join NATO, or have US troops in Ukraine.  It is not a country anymore.  It will be indebted  for a hundred years. The rare earth minerals lie in the ground in the areas captured by Russia. Reuter said, about 40% are in Russian hands.  There are still 60% for the US.

Not what I heard somewhere -

they said 100% is in a Russian held area.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-us-russian-officials-meet-munich-friday-ukraine-invited-2025-02-13/

Trump says US, Russian officials to meet in Munich on Friday, Ukraine invited


By Reuters
February 14, 20259:39 AM GMT+11Updated 39 min ago



U.S. President Donald Trump at the Oval Office

U.S. President Donald Trump speaks in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, D.C., U.S., February 11, 2025. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque Purchase

Summary

Ukraine not expecting talks with Russia in Munich

Common position needed before talks with Moscow, says Ukraine

Munich Security Conference gathers global leaders



WASHINGTON/KYIV, Feb 13 (Reuters) -

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Thursday that U.S. and Russian officials would meet in Munich on Friday and that Ukraine was also invited, however Kyiv responded that it did not expect to hold talks with Russia in the German city.
"They're having a meeting in Munich tomorrow. Russia's going to be there with our people. Ukraine is also invited, by the way. Not sure exactly who's going to be there from any country, but high-level people from Russia, from Ukraine and from the United States," Trump told reporters.
When asked for further details, the White House declined comment. Global political and military leaders are gathering in Germany for the Munich Security Conference.
Ukraine does not expect to hold talks with the Russian side in Munich on Friday and believes the United States, Europe and Ukraine need a common position before talks with Moscow, President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's communications adviser said.
"Talks with Russians in Munich are not expected," the Ukrainian communications adviser, Dmytro Lytvyn, said.
Russia's embassy in Washington and mission to the United Nations in New York did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Trump's remarks.
Trump said later on Thursday: "Tomorrow there's a meeting in Munich and then next week,

there's a meeting in Saudi Arabia, not with myself or President Putin,
but with top officials. And Ukraine will be a part of it too."

Bobby. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2025 at 8:54am:

tickleandrose wrote on Feb 14th, 2025 at 8:43am: Bobby. wrote on Feb 14th, 2025 at 8:34am: tickleandrose wrote on Feb 14th, 2025 at 8:19am: I feel like Ukraine had being carved up by two great powers.   The US private sector had bought up all the utility, roads and essential services in whats left of Ukraine, and now have to give up rare earth minerals to US government in exchange for weapon cache.   The Russians will get 20% of Ukraine's land, and a guarantee that it will never join NATO, or have US troops in Ukraine.  It is not a country anymore.  It will be indebted  for a hundred years. The rare earth minerals lie in the ground in the areas captured by Russia. Reuter said, about 40% are in Russian hands.  There are still 60% for the US. Not what I heard somewhere - they said 100% is in a Russian held area.

The fact is that you lost the war, live with that.

Putin to Trump "Canada is yours Ukraine is mine"
Trump "Thank you, good deal Vlad".
:)

athos wrote on Feb 14^th, 2025 at 4:25pm:

The fact is that you lost the war, live with that. Putin to Trump "Canada is yours Ukraine is mine" Trump "Thank you, good deal Vlad". :)

Russia has won the war -

Ukraine got sucked into a fight they couldn't win -

the West wouldn't allow them to win -

they gave Ukraine only enough arms to keep the war going forever.

Trump gave in to Putin before the talks even started.

Lol, what a negotiator   ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14^th, 2025 at 8:16pm:

Trump gave in to Putin before the talks even started. Lol, what a negotiator   ;D

It has hardly shown us those large balls he wants us to think he has.    :-/

Bobby. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2025 at 8:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2025 at 8:16pm: Trump gave in to Putin before the talks even started. Lol, what a negotiator   ;D It has hardly shown us those large balls he wants us to think he has.    :-/

He has no balls.

He's the world's biggest (neutered) pussy.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14^th, 2025 at 8:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 14th, 2025 at 8:19pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2025 at 8:16pm: Trump gave in to Putin before the talks even started. Lol, what a negotiator   ;D It has hardly shown us those large balls he wants us to think he has.    :-/ He has no balls. He's the world's biggest (neutered) pussy.

At least he's being honest -

Biden was never going to risk WW3 and a global nuclear war over 20% of Ukraine.

That's why Biden never gave Zelensky tanks and jet fighters in proper numbers and
he certainly never gave Ukraine 1000s of Tomahawk cruise missiles.

The Yanks have made 4,796 M1A1 tanks yet they gave Ukraine how many - was it 100? -
and that took a year or more.  ::)

Ukraine was sucked into fighting a war they would not be allowed to win.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 13^th, 2025 at 7:25pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13th, 2025 at 7:23pm: Quote: Russia USA Ukraine peace talks Just after Trump done a deal to get a hostage back from Russia - Wonder how much of Ukraine that cost ? Look at the big picture - Putin is a fool, Russia was never threatened by NATO - the people of Europe are still too cowardly to fight Russia - except Ukrainians - the threat was always from China attacking Russia and now Putin won't get one second of help from Europe or the USA if China attacks. I hope China does attack Russia - they deserve it - let them lose an enormous amount of stolen land - land that they stole from the Chinese over the last 200 years.

Sorry Bobby but that is pathetic.

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/ukraine-russia-nato-war-negotiations-02-14-25-intl/index.html


3 hr 50 min ago

Ukraine says Russian drone attack hits Chernobyl nuclear plant,
and radiation levels are normal.


Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said a Russian drone struck the destroyed nuclear power plant at Chernobyl near Ukraine’s border with Belarus on Thursday night.

Ukraine’s State Emergency Service later said that the radiation background limits remain within normal limits.

“A Russian attack drone with a high-explosive warhead struck the shelter protecting the world from radiation at the destroyed 4th power unit” at the plant, Zelensky said on X.

The concrete shelter that covers the unit was damaged, Zelensky added and a fire was extinguished. “Radiation levels have not increased and are being constantly monitored. According to initial assessments, the damage to the shelter is significant,” Zelensky said.

The International Atomic Energy Agency said on X that shortly before 2 a.m. local time its team at the Chernobyl site “heard an explosion coming from the New Safe Confinement, which protects the remains of reactor 4 of the former Chernobyl NPP, causing a fire.”

“They were informed that a UAV [drone] had struck the NSC roof,” the IAEA added.

Unit 4 at Chernobyl exploded in 1986, sending extensive clouds of radioactivity across parts of the Soviet Union and Europe. It was later encased in a concrete and steel sarcophagus.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2025 at 11:09pm:

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/ukraine-russia-nato-war-negotiations-02-14-25-intl/index.html 3 hr 50 min ago Ukraine says Russian drone attack hits Chernobyl nuclear plant, and radiation levels are normal. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said a Russian drone struck the destroyed nuclear power plant at Chernobyl near Ukraine’s border with Belarus on Thursday night. Ukraine’s State Emergency Service later said that the radiation background limits remain within normal limits. “A Russian attack drone with a high-explosive warhead struck the shelter protecting the world from radiation at the destroyed 4th power unit” at the plant, Zelensky said on X. The concrete shelter that covers the unit was damaged, Zelensky added and a fire was extinguished. “Radiation levels have not increased and are being constantly monitored. According to initial assessments, the damage to the shelter is significant,” Zelensky said. The International Atomic Energy Agency said on X that shortly before 2 a.m. local time its team at the Chernobyl site “heard an explosion coming from the New Safe Confinement, which protects the remains of reactor 4 of the former Chernobyl NPP, causing a fire.” “They were informed that a UAV [drone] had struck the NSC roof,” the IAEA added. Unit 4 at Chernobyl exploded in 1986, sending extensive clouds of radioactivity across parts of the Soviet Union and Europe. It was later encased in a concrete and steel sarcophagus.

If Russia does damage the containment Ukraine should collect the radioactive material and use it effectively.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 14^th, 2025 at 11:17pm:

If Russia does damage the containment Ukraine should collect the radioactive material and use it effectively.

And so much for peace talks -

Putin now adds some radioactivity to the equation.

Isn't your boy going to sort it out?

bubbles wrote on Feb 15^th, 2025 at 8:11am:

Isn't your boy going to sort it out?

new member bubbles     ;D

aquascoot wrote on Feb 15^th, 2025 at 9:21am:

bubbles wrote on Feb 15th, 2025 at 8:11am: Isn't your boy going to sort it out? new member bubbles     ;D

Yes Greg Bubbles is new?.

Nice to see you answering the question.

Isn't your boy going to sort it out?

Thanks

bubbles wrote on Feb 15^th, 2025 at 9:40am:

Nice to see you answering the question. Isn't your boy going to sort it out? Thanks

Yes Trump will sort it out.

So do you think that Biden did a good job in containing Putin. Do you think that Putin found Biden to be a pushover or do you think Biden had Putin's back to the wall.

Thats why its near impossible to have a discussion about this war, it started under Biden, Biden got hammered by Putin and Putin slapped Biden around like a rag doll. If Harris was the pres by next year Putin would have have 3/4's of Europe.

I heard the war would end within 24 hours? I guess his watch has stopped...dam those Chinese made watches.

Maybe he could call john laws and see if he could get a John laws clock?

bubbles wrote on Feb 15^th, 2025 at 9:49am:

I heard the war would end within 24 hours? I guess his watch has stopped...dam those Chinese made watches. Maybe he could call john laws and see if he could get a John laws clock?

Here is a question you cannot answer so don't even try.

Why didn't Biden stop the war.

I thought this was about trump? But of course we can detail it if you like, always best to deflect when it comes to trump.

Good boy.

I forgot John laws had retired, wonder if he has any NOS clocks sitting around?

bubbles wrote on Feb 15^th, 2025 at 9:55am:

I thought this was about trump? But of course we can detail it if you like, always best to deflect when it comes to trump. Good boy.

I thought it was about Russia USA Ukraine peace talks, but I guess when you suffer from TDS there is only one topic.

Thanks for your input Leroy, 24 hours seems to have dragged on doesn't it.

Good boy.

Miss Bubbles is little boy Peccary giggles.
What a weirdo little pink troll

Trump is talking about a surrender of Ukraine but what is the alternative?

The only force that could kick Russia out of Ukraine is NATO.
If NATO joins in and smashes Russia it could easily lead to a global nuclear war.
In that case the whole planet will be destroyed -
8 billion people will be killed over an area of land in Europe that
hardly anyone had ever heard of 3 years ago.
Is it worth the risk?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2025 at 8:18am:

Trump is talking about a surrender of Ukraine but what is the alternative? The only force that could kick Russia out of Ukraine is NATO. If NATO joins in and smashes Russia it could easily lead to a global nuclear war. In that case the whole planet will be destroyed - 8 billion people will be killed over an area of land in Europe that hardly anyone had ever heard of 3 years ago. Is it worth the risk?

Ukraine don't have to accept Trump's deal, he can't force them to accept. Trump can only get them the best he can, if they have a better deal then take that.

Leroy wrote on Feb 16^th, 2025 at 8:33am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2025 at 8:18am: Trump is talking about a surrender of Ukraine but what is the alternative? The only force that could kick Russia out of Ukraine is NATO. If NATO joins in and smashes Russia it could easily lead to a global nuclear war. In that case the whole planet will be destroyed - 8 billion people will be killed over an area of land in Europe that hardly anyone had ever heard of 3 years ago. Is it worth the risk? Ukraine don't have to accept Trump's deal, he can't force them to accept. Trump can only get them the best he can, if they have a better deal then take that.

I saw Zelensky on TV this morning.

He is trying to get as many NATO countries as possible
to join with Ukraine to kick the Russians out.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/never-accept-it-ukraines-volodymyr-zelensky-defies-donald-trump-as-peace-talks-take-shape/news-story/edb3fdbf3f63c57404a90ee5721eadb1


‘Never accept it’: Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelensky defies Donald Trump

as peace talks take shape

Volodymyr Zelensky has responded to the American government’s
latest remarks with a remarkably pointed message.

Ukraine is finished - the Europeans won't send troops.

Ukraine was never given enough weapons or help to kick the Russians out.

You have to look back at the Gulf war 1991 to see what is needed:
half a million troops, many F117 stealth fighters, 300 Tomahawk cruise missiles,
1000s of tanks and artillery pieces,
B52 bombers doing carpet bombing after all air defenses were destroyed,
70,000 air sorties by jet fighters attacking ground targets.

There was nothing even remotely like that to help Ukraine.

Vance tells the Europeans off:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/14/jd-vance-stuns-munich-conference-with-blistering-attack-on-europes-leaders


JD Vance stuns Munich conference with blistering attack on Europe’s leaders


US vice-president questions whether European values are worth defending as he rails against ‘threat from within’

The US vice-president, JD Vance, has launched a brutal ideological assault on Europe, accusing its leaders of suppressing free speech, failing to halt illegal migration and running in fear from voters’ true beliefs.

In a chastising speech on Friday that openly questioned whether current European values warranted defence by the US, he painted a picture of European politics infected by media censorship, cancelled elections and political correctness.

Arguing that the true threat to Europe stemmed not from external actors such as Russia or China, but Europe’s own internal retreat from some of its “most fundamental values”, he repeatedly questioned whether the US and Europe any longer had a shared agenda. “What I worry about is the threat from within,” Vance said.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2025 at 7:07pm:

Vance tells the Europeans off: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/14/jd-vance-stuns-munich-conference-with-blistering-attack-on-europes-leaders JD Vance stuns Munich conference with blistering attack on Europe’s leaders US vice-president questions whether European values are worth defending as he rails against ‘threat from within’ The US vice-president, JD Vance, has launched a brutal ideological assault on Europe, accusing its leaders of suppressing free speech, failing to halt illegal migration and running in fear from voters’ true beliefs. In a chastising speech on Friday that openly questioned whether current European values warranted defence by the US, he painted a picture of European politics infected by media censorship, cancelled elections and political correctness. Arguing that the true threat to Europe stemmed not from external actors such as Russia or China, but Europe’s own internal retreat from some of its “most fundamental values”, he repeatedly questioned whether the US and Europe any longer had a shared agenda. “What I worry about is the threat from within,” Vance said.

jd must have read douglas murrays best seller

The Strange Death of Europe.

Zelenski's only position should be to allow the Russians to withdraw from Ukraine safely.

https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/0eea30a6-01bd-4b35-baed-70cc858bcef6-png.1688141/

Dnarever wrote on Feb 16^th, 2025 at 8:45pm:

Zelenski's only position should be to allow the Russians to withdraw from Ukraine safely.

Let the world know. The truth. The brilliance of Jeffrey Sachs. This is the score. The real deal. The bottom line. What the radical left proxy media sockpuppets never want you to hear or know. Verity. Brutal truth.

https://x.com/LionelMedia/status/1896192766184657274

Hey Vlad, Europe will send troops.
Nyet, no troops. I will be upset.
Yeah, troops.
I will nuke everyone.
Troops are going in.
I'm quite cross.
Troops are there.
)#&*1 jX?~ }=&2

Dnarever wrote on Feb 16^th, 2025 at 8:45pm:

Zelenski's only position should be to allow the Russians to withdraw from Ukraine safely.

Haven't the Russians withdrawn yet?

I thought Trump said he would end the war on day one of his term.

What happened?   :-/

We thought you promised to leave the Forum forever if Trump won and Shorten didn't.
Yeah, how's that going for you wankfest?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 13^th, 2025 at 5:26am:

Will Trump finally bring peace? https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-trump-speaks-with-zelensky-says-ukrainian-leader-wants-to-make-peace Today - 12th Feb 2025 in the USA. Trump Quote: After revealing that he had spoken to Russian President Vladimir Putin about plans to negotiate an end to the war in Ukraine, President Donald Trump said that he has also spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who wants to "make peace." "I just spoke to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine," Trump wrote. "The conversation went very well. He, like President Putin, wants to make PEACE. We discussed a variety of topics having to do with the War, but mostly, the meeting that is being set up on Friday in Munich, where Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio will lead the Delegation. I am hopeful that the results of that meeting will be positive. It is time to stop this ridiculous War, where there has been massive, and totally unnecessary, DEATH and DESTRUCTION. God bless the people of Russia and Ukraine!"

Trump is a FOOL.

How can he mediate when with one hand he offers an olive branch to the Russians and with the other he is pointing a gun.

He is sending 38 billion worth of arms to the Ukraine how can he mediate.

The peace talks how can you have peace talks with only half the of the two parties at war sitting at the table.

It does not matter what formulaes the USA & Ukraine make if Russia is not there it is meaningless and pointless.

Russia has won the war the Ukrainians are now being killed because Zelenskyy does not care about them and is listening to his masters rather than caring for the people that elected him.

To the winner go the spoils, he Zelenskyy is not in a position to dictate anything.

Last I heard he only has 4% support from the people that are left.

Time he held elections so the real president of the Ukraine can negotiate peace.

As for Trump the best thing he could have done is walk away from the conflict.

Dear old Joe started it and Trump should say I'm outta here.

Ajax wrote on Mar 16^th, 2025 at 4:58pm:

Trump is a FOOL. How can he mediate when with one hand he offers an olive branch to the Russians and with the other he is pointing a gun. He is sending 38 billion worth of arms to the Ukraine how can he mediate. The peace talks how can you have peace talks with only half the of the two parties at war sitting at the table. It does not matter what formulaes the USA & Ukraine make if Russia is not there it is meaningless and pointless. Russia has won the war the Ukrainians are now being killed because Zelenskyy does not care about them and is listening to his masters rather than caring for the people that elected him. To the winner go the spoils, he Zelenskyy is not in a position to dictate anything. Last I heard he only has 4% support from the people that are left. Time he held elections so the real president of the Ukraine can negotiate peace. As for Trump the best thing he could have done is walk away from the conflict. Dear old Joe started it and Trump should say I'm outta here.

At least you know there only two options here, Russia get what they want or Ukraine get what they don't want. Trump can't Do much other than try to get the best deal for Ukraine. But Ukraine are going to have to accept terms they don't like. Trump cannot threaten Russia unless he means to follow through with the threat. Putin knows Trump won't threaten Russia because he knows America don't have the appetite for a slug it out war. Zelensky has nothing he is at Putins mercy, be humble and secure the best deal for your people and don't make it personal or Putin will make you pay.

Is all that right, no its a damn shame the Ukrainian people have to go through this and end up with the short straw. Its up to them though to improve what they have and work towards the future they want.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 16^th, 2025 at 8:45pm:

Zelenski's only position should be to allow the Russians to withdraw from Ukraine safely.

Yeah.

It really should be.

If Putin does the right thing, his troops shouldn't be punished for it.

And given that the concern has been NATO membership for Ukraine, now that the US has ruled that out, Putin should be able to withdraw and return the territory his forces now occupy.

Unless of course, the excuse of NATO was complete and total bullshit.

Leroy wrote on Mar 16^th, 2025 at 5:34pm:

At least you know there only two options here, Russia get what they want or Ukraine get what they don't want. Trump can't Do much other than try to get the best deal for Ukraine Russia and the US. But Ukraine are going to have to accept terms they don't like. Trump cannot threaten Russia unless he means to follow through with the threat. Putin knows Trump won't threaten Russia because he knows America don't have the appetite for a slug it out war. Zelensky has nothing he is at Putins mercy, be humble and secure the best deal for your people and don't make it personal or Putin will make you pay. Is all that right, no its a damn shame the Ukrainian people have to go through this and end up with the short straw. Its up to them though to improve what they have and work towards the future they want.

** Fixed it for you

So, if the deal ensures Ukraine doesn't get what it wants, which would be and end to the wait, their land back and a Russian withdrawal, does that mean Putin gets what he wants?

No NATO membership, Russia keeps the land they've stolen and gets a share of Ukraine's resources with the US?

What kind of deal is that for Ukraine?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 18^th, 2025 at 12:57pm:

NATO membership for Ukraine,

Latvia is in NATO and its border is about 500km from Moscow where Ukraine is about 400km.
* barp*      wrong answer.

''The Kremlin released footage of the Russian President hiking through Siberian forests. Mr Putin also put his fishing skills to the test.'
Putin has had Trump on the line for a ceasefire scam. He carefully pulled Trump in, wound him up and swung the net down. Trump struggled and pouted with flapping hands, blowing bubbles and twisting and spinning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzk6SoZxgPQ

Putler pushes too much the 80yo baby will switch and back Ukraine up to the hilt, poor little narcissist.  ;D

'A limousine, part of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s official fleet, has exploded on a Moscow Street near Russia’s FSB secret service headquarters.
“The plot to assassinate Putin, mere discussions of it is a crime, a serious threat to global security, a direct path to nuclear war,” House Speaker of Russia’s Parliament Vyacheslav Volodin said.'
https://thenightly.com.au/world/vladimir-putins-limousine-explosion-motorcade-vehicle-blows-up-on-moscow-street-c-18204367

Mr D Trump, card-player and high-roller, has offered thoughts and prayers and a new Tesla, going cheap.

Ajax wrote on Mar 16^th, 2025 at 4:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 13th, 2025 at 5:26am: Will Trump finally bring peace? https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-trump-speaks-with-zelensky-says-ukrainian-leader-wants-to-make-peace Today - 12th Feb 2025 in the USA. Trump Quote: After revealing that he had spoken to Russian President Vladimir Putin about plans to negotiate an end to the war in Ukraine, President Donald Trump said that he has also spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who wants to "make peace." "I just spoke to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine," Trump wrote. "The conversation went very well. He, like President Putin, wants to make PEACE. We discussed a variety of topics having to do with the War, but mostly, the meeting that is being set up on Friday in Munich, where Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio will lead the Delegation. I am hopeful that the results of that meeting will be positive. It is time to stop this ridiculous War, where there has been massive, and totally unnecessary, DEATH and DESTRUCTION. God bless the people of Russia and Ukraine!" Trump is a FOOL. How can he mediate when with one hand he offers an olive branch to the Russians and with the other he is pointing a gun.

In all seriousness, his hands are far too small to hold either of those objects.

While we're on the subject though, he said he'd stop the war in 24 hours.

How's that working out?

His first term was about changing press reps every 10 days. He's now doing tariff on-off and Ukraine ammo on-off about the same rate.  Yemen missiles are fairly steady but he left overseas wars about the end of January to fight the Mexico-Canada axis of evil.

'Zelenskyy and former US President Joe Biden were responsible for starting the conflict, alongside Putin, whose forces invaded Ukraine in February 2022. Trump said there were “millions of people dead because of three people”.

“When you start a war, you got to know that you can win the war,” Trump said. “You don’t start a war against somebody that’s 20 times your size, and then hope that people give you some missiles.”

Poland started WWII with a few horses and rifles, then expected UK and France to do something. So they did a deal on Poland's coal mines and gave the rest to Stalin. Adolf did the right salute and Trump signed the bill.

Quote:

Russia USA Ukraine peace talks

Yes Russia and USA discussing who gets what pieces of Ukraine and who gets which resources.

Well until the next time that is.

So much for ending the war in his first 24 hours in office.

Donald Trump (convicted felon and adjudicated rapist) said the US will "take a pass" on brokering further Russia-Ukraine war talks if Moscow or Kyiv "make it very difficult" to reach a peace deal.

The failed US president told reporters in the Oval Office on Friday that he was not expecting a truce to happen in "a specific number of days" but he wanted it done "quickly".

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 10:52am:

So much for ending the war in his first 24 hours in office. Donald Trump (convicted felon and adjudicated rapist) said the US will "take a pass" on brokering further Russia-Ukraine war talks if Moscow or Kyiv "make it very difficult" to reach a peace deal. The failed US president told reporters in the Oval Office on Friday that he was not expecting a truce to happen in "a specific number of days" but he wanted it done "quickly".

This is a case of "you can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think".

You can't MAKE Russia and Ukraine stop fighting if they do not want to stop. Let the Europeans take charge of it.

Frank wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 11:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19th, 2025 at 10:52am: So much for ending the war in his first 24 hours in office. Donald Trump (convicted felon and adjudicated rapist) said the US will "take a pass" on brokering further Russia-Ukraine war talks if Moscow or Kyiv "make it very difficult" to reach a peace deal. The failed US president told reporters in the Oval Office on Friday that he was not expecting a truce to happen in "a specific number of days" but he wanted it done "quickly". This is a case of "you can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think". You can't MAKE Russia and Ukraine stop fighting if they do not want to stop. Let the Europeans take charge of it.

Ah.

Actually Trumpy may be instrumental in ending the war: the economic catastrophe the idiot unleashed has seen oil prices collapse to below the level it can support ruzzian industry. 

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 1:32pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 19th, 2025 at 11:28am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19th, 2025 at 10:52am: So much for ending the war in his first 24 hours in office. Donald Trump (convicted felon and adjudicated rapist) said the US will "take a pass" on brokering further Russia-Ukraine war talks if Moscow or Kyiv "make it very difficult" to reach a peace deal. The failed US president told reporters in the Oval Office on Friday that he was not expecting a truce to happen in "a specific number of days" but he wanted it done "quickly". This is a case of "you can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think". You can't MAKE Russia and Ukraine stop fighting if they do not want to stop. Let the Europeans take charge of it. Ah.

So many humiliating backdowns from MAGA tards recently.

"Winning"

Zelenskyy the nazi started it and risks WWIII with no cards to play and no respect for his uncle who promised 24 hours to end it.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 11:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19th, 2025 at 1:32pm: Frank wrote on Apr 19th, 2025 at 11:28am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19th, 2025 at 10:52am: So much for ending the war in his first 24 hours in office. Donald Trump (convicted felon and adjudicated rapist) said the US will "take a pass" on brokering further Russia-Ukraine war talks if Moscow or Kyiv "make it very difficult" to reach a peace deal. The failed US president told reporters in the Oval Office on Friday that he was not expecting a truce to happen in "a specific number of days" but he wanted it done "quickly". This is a case of "you can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think". You can't MAKE Russia and Ukraine stop fighting if they do not want to stop. Let the Europeans take charge of it. Ah. So many humiliating backdowns from MAGA tards recently. "Winning"

https://i.imgflip.com/9rce9j.jpg

'Putin’s minister of foreign affairs, Sergei Lavrov, reportedly named Ivan the Terrible among one of Putin’s three “most trusted advisers.”'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-medieval-again-putin-seeking-124634635.html

Russian school kids will get a book on family life based on Ivan. This develops ideal qualities of murder, putin and torture.

The 100 days are up on 30th April. Trump may then forget about Ukraine and start his Greenland business plan. 24 hours should be sufficient.

So, how about the cease-fire? Can't even do that?

chimera wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 7:50am:

The 100 days are up on 30th April. Trump may then forget about Ukraine and start his Greenland business plan. 24 hours should be sufficient.

I wonder if I can use the Trump math the next time I take leave.

If I take a day off, that's 9 hours of leave, which would be 900 hours in Trump math, which would be ~37 days.

That assumes the war ends by the 30th of April, otherwise the math keeps changing and working in my favour.