I found that the older I got the more cynical I became.
Now I hardly believe a word that anyone says.
I distrust people, the Govt.  used car/motorbike dealers, real estate agents, lawyers, and also employers -
they have all let me down more times than I could count.

Here's a good article on it:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/09/health/hope-for-cynics-jamil-zaki-wellness/index.html


Cynics not only lose out on friendships, love and opportunity — they’re also wrong about human nature

By Jessica DuLong, CNN
8 minute read

Updated 9:49 AM EST, Sat November 9, 2024



Cynicism is on the rise.
Should that come as any surprise given today’s divisive global conflicts and
our fraught political landscape?
Even the weather seems like it’s out to get us.

Americans are experiencing a “trust recession,” social scientist Jamil Zaki said in his new book, “Hope for Cynics: The Surprising Science of Human Goodness.” Zaki is a professor of psychology at Stanford University and director of the Stanford Social Neuroscience Lab.

The new book "Hope for Cynics" contends that Americans are facing a "trust recession."

The new book "Hope for Cynics" contends that Americans are facing a "trust recession." Grand Central Publishing
Americans’ belief that most people can be trusted dropped from nearly half in 1973 to about one-third in 2018, according to the General Social Survey. But research reveals this mistrust as off base. In fact, people are often better than we expect.

As it turns out, cynics are often all wrong.

Based on a growing science, Zaki calls on people to replace cynicism with “hopeful skepticism” that helps to see the world more clearly and activates them to create a better future by leveraging “the surprising wisdom of hope.”

Cynicism leads to apathy and inaction. But people can counteract it by questioning their assumptions, maintaining faith in others, gossiping about goodness and embracing the hope that drives civic engagement and social progress.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 1:24pm:

I found that the older I got the more cynical I became. Now I hardly believe a word that anyone says. I distrust people, the Govt.  used car/motorbike dealers, real estate agents, lawyers, and also employers - they have all let me down more times than I could count.

So, you and 25 million of us, then!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 1:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:24pm: I found that the older I got the more cynical I became. Now I hardly believe a word that anyone says. I distrust people, the Govt.  used car/motorbike dealers, real estate agents, lawyers, and also employers - they have all let me down more times than I could count. So, you and 25 million of us, then!

But the article on CNN says we should not be cynical.

"Are you a cynical person?"

Yep, and I tend to get more and more cynical with each passing year.

I will probably reach "peak cynicism" in the next year or two with the way things are going in the world lately.

Oh, and...

... paging Doctor aquascoot, I believe it's time for another one of your "personal responsibility" lectures here. ::)

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 1:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:24pm: I found that the older I got the more cynical I became. Now I hardly believe a word that anyone says. I distrust people, the Govt.  used car/motorbike dealers, real estate agents, lawyers, and also employers - they have all let me down more times than I could count. So, you and 25 million of us, then! But the article on CNN says we should not be cynical.

OK... And Joe Rogan really was using horse dewormer to get over covid, just like CNN reported!

Real cynic suppose to  live in a barrel and tell the greats of the world to piss off and stop blocking sunlight.

https://scientiasalon.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/362538_f520.jpg

I’m not cyclical!

I know for sure everyone is out too get me!!! :D

Daves2017 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 3:08pm:

I’m not cyclical! I know for sure everyone is out too get me!!! :D

:)

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be skeptical bobby, not cynical

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 5:27pm:

be skeptical bobby, not cynical

What's the difference?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 1:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:24pm: I found that the older I got the more cynical I became. Now I hardly believe a word that anyone says. I distrust people, the Govt.  used car/motorbike dealers, real estate agents, lawyers, and also employers - they have all let me down more times than I could count. So, you and 25 million of us, then! But the article on CNN says we should not be cynical.

of course you should be cynical. there are crooks everywhere trying to shove junk into your arms telling you if you don't take it you will die. Tell em to piss off :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 5:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:32pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:24pm: I found that the older I got the more cynical I became. Now I hardly believe a word that anyone says. I distrust people, the Govt.  used car/motorbike dealers, real estate agents, lawyers, and also employers - they have all let me down more times than I could count. So, you and 25 million of us, then! But the article on CNN says we should not be cynical. of course you should be cynical. there are crooks everywhere trying to shove junk into your arms telling you if you don't take it you will die. Tell em to piss off :(

And there is always someone trying to steal your money.   :-[

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 5:35pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 5:27pm: be skeptical bobby, not cynical What's the difference?

Good point...

Scoot, you owe it to all your Australian-archetype fans - fat Steve and Janine!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 6:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 5:35pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 5:27pm: be skeptical bobby, not cynical What's the difference? Good point... Scoot, you owe it to all your Australian-archetype fans - fat Steve and Janine!

williamson explained it really well

skepticism is healthy
cynicism is an excuse for being lazy and seeking comfort


The Cynicism Safety Blanket.

Cynicism is a guarded response which sets yourself up against disappointment.

Its role within the system is to protect you against experiencing anything bad.

It is a pre-emptive strike against a perceived threat.

If I tell myself that ‘all women are bad’, then I’m less likely to seek a relationship with women and, as a consequence, I’m never going to feel the pain of rejection.

If I tell myself that ‘everything is poo’ or that ‘things will never get better’, then I am excused of ever having to try at anything.

It’s more comfortable to get fatalistic and call it pragmatism.

The cope is framing hope as pathetic and embarrassing and optimism as delusion.

It’s “sour grapes” at an existential level.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 7:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 6:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 5:35pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 5:27pm: be skeptical bobby, not cynical What's the difference? Good point... Scoot, you owe it to all your Australian-archetype fans - fat Steve and Janine! williamson explained it really well skepticism is healthy cynicism is an excuse for being lazy and seeking comfort The Cynicism Safety Blanket. Cynicism is a guarded response which sets yourself up against disappointment. Its role within the system is to protect you against experiencing anything bad. It is a pre-emptive strike against a perceived threat. If I tell myself that ‘all women are bad’, then I’m less likely to seek a relationship with women and, as a consequence, I’m never going to feel the pain of rejection. If I tell myself that ‘everything is poo’ or that ‘things will never get better’, then I am excused of ever having to try at anything. It’s more comfortable to get fatalistic and call it pragmatism. The cope is framing hope as pathetic and embarrassing and optimism as delusion. It’s “sour grapes” at an existential level.

Ah, Chris Williamson! Oh to think you're wise in your 30s!

And you've been... to the mountaintop

'They' say, there's nothing sadder than a cynical child...

I'd say you should get a pass at 70... After you've read more pop psychology how-tos than you've had brown sh!tts and drank enough nootropics to fill a small lake - the ones you were plugging for hard cash in your 30s.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 7:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 6:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 5:35pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 5:27pm: be skeptical bobby, not cynical What's the difference? Good point... Scoot, you owe it to all your Australian-archetype fans - fat Steve and Janine! williamson explained it really well skepticism is healthy cynicism is an excuse for being lazy and seeking comfort The Cynicism Safety Blanket. Cynicism is a guarded response which sets yourself up against disappointment. Its role within the system is to protect you against experiencing anything bad. It is a pre-emptive strike against a perceived threat. If I tell myself that ‘all women are bad’, then I’m less likely to seek a relationship with women and, as a consequence, I’m never going to feel the pain of rejection. If I tell myself that ‘everything is poo’ or that ‘things will never get better’, then I am excused of ever having to try at anything. It’s more comfortable to get fatalistic and call it pragmatism. The cope is framing hope as pathetic and embarrassing and optimism as delusion. It’s “sour grapes” at an existential level.

Maybe but it's best to be a little cynical at times.  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 7:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 6:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 5:35pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 5:27pm: be skeptical bobby, not cynical What's the difference? Good point... Scoot, you owe it to all your Australian-archetype fans - fat Steve and Janine! williamson explained it really well skepticism is healthy cynicism is an excuse for being lazy and seeking comfort The Cynicism Safety Blanket. Cynicism is a guarded response which sets yourself up against disappointment. Its role within the system is to protect you against experiencing anything bad. It is a pre-emptive strike against a perceived threat. If I tell myself that ‘all women are bad’, then I’m less likely to seek a relationship with women and, as a consequence, I’m never going to feel the pain of rejection. If I tell myself that ‘everything is poo’ or that ‘things will never get better’, then I am excused of ever having to try at anything. It’s more comfortable to get fatalistic and call it pragmatism. The cope is framing hope as pathetic and embarrassing and optimism as delusion. It’s “sour grapes” at an existential level.

Or a perennial, self-protective comfort blanket of a - yawn and the eyerolls.


(The cynic bypasses the constructiveness — that is, refuses to do anything about changing a situation for the better — and rushes straight to inflicting punishment, be it by insult or condemnation or that most cowardly and passive-aggressive fusion of the two, the eyeroll.)

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 9:30pm:

Maybe but it's best to be a little cynical at times.  ;)

Or, more likely, impossible not to be...

Like the verse Paul Simon added to 'The Boxer' when he got older...

'Now the years are rolling by me, they are rocking evenly,
And I am older than I once was, younger than I'll be,
That's not unusual.

No, it isn't strange, after changes upon changes
we are more or less the same,
After changes, we are more or less the same'.

I'm cynical about technology too:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1729762491/0

Hundreds of undocumented 32-bit CPU instructions found.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 9:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 9:30pm: Maybe but it's best to be a little cynical at times.  ;) Or, more likely, impossible not to be... Like the verse Paul Simon added to 'The Boxer' when he got older... 'Now the years are rolling by me, they are rocking evenly, And I am older than I once was, younger than I'll be, That's not unusual. No, it isn't strange, after changes upon changes we are more or less the same, After changes, we are more or less the same'.

Needless to say, this is not about cynicism at all.

Paul Simon was lamenting that no matter what you do, the outcome is the same.

Nothing changes destiny - the core of fatalism for the East - the core of cynicism to the Anglosphere.

the very definition of a
SELF FULFILLING PROPHESY

But, Zaki argues, it’s an own goal: believing things can only get worse all but guarantees that they will, by further eroding our social fabric and discouraging us from taking action against corruption and injustice.

Expecting the worst also harms our chances of finding happiness in the now. Studies show that cynics are more depressed, drink more alcohol, earn less money and even die younger than non-cynics.

its why

MAGA os the correct "frame" from which to operate

you will notice trump "gets" this
Together, We will make America strong again. We will make wealthy again. We will make America proud again. We will make America safe again. And yes, together, we will make America great again. Thank you. God bless you.

No - I just note that the Trump Accession has flattened our socialist judgemental worriers and their rabid views .... not being cynical about their response .... but hey .... it suddenly seems that the 'side of history' has taken a dramatic turn and should have rightly been called the 'tide of history', with blatant ebbs and flows......

11/11 today, lads and lassies .... I wonder if some ratbag homegrown group of 'palestinian suporters' = terrorist murderer supporter children (some in grown-up bodies) locked in their 'rebellion' teenage stage ..... clearly on the wrong tide of history ...... are going to try to disrupt commemorations of Armistice Day - a day of peace - by imposing their madness without reason on others ..... just like some such planned to do in Brittannia .... and who I hope are met by a solid wall of authority and punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Time for our 'leaders' to grow a set - stop licking the nuts of every ratbag who comes along.... and send them a message by sending some of them 'home' again ....... or for a holiday in tropical Gondwanamo Bay ....  8-)

Take this message to Albo and Ho Chi:-

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Daves2017 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 3:08pm:

I’m not cyclical! I know for sure everyone is out too get me!!! :D

Dave. It is just me that has been sending you those cryptic letters in the mail. I just vary my writing style so that you think that it is more than one person.

(joking)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:00am:

Expecting the worst also harms our chances of finding happiness in the now. Studies show that cynics are more depressed, drink more alcohol, earn less money and even die younger than non-cynics.

Aren't referring to pessimism?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 10:08pm:

Paul Simon was lamenting that no matter what you do, the outcome is the same. Nothing changes destiny - the core of fatalism for the East - the core of cynicism to the Anglosphere.

Aren't referring to pessimism fatalism?

For those who don't know much about the working relationship between Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel won't know that Simon often used song lyrics to criticise Garfunkel's narcissistic tendency to double-cross Simon to advance his own career at the expense of Simon's.

The lyrics to 'Only Living Boy in New York' were about Garfunkel playing Simon along with the idea they would be starring in a movie together shot in Mexico. They were known as 'Tom and Jerry'. Garfunkel was 'Tom'... The lyric 'Hey, let your honesty shine, shine, shine now' was a blatant cynical reference to Garfunkel lying to Simon about his being included in the film deal - Garfunkel saw to it that Simon was excluded.

The lyrics of 'The Boxer' were added at their comeback in the early 80s which was difficult for Simon as Garfunkel was still as he was towards him during the 60s and 70s. Garfunkel hadn't changed - still the same self-interested prick he always was. As it turned out, Garfunkel's delusion of himself as an actor went nowhere.

An Optimist, a Cynic, and a Realist Walked into a Bar…

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/A_priest%2C_a_rabbi%2C_a_minister_and_a_duck_walk_into_a_bar.jpg

tallowood wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

An Optimist, a Cynic, and a Realist Walked into a Bar… https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/A_priest%2C_a_rabbi%2C_a_minister_and_a_duck_walk_into_a_bar.jpg

That's wacist and Islamophobic.

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 11:59am:

tallowood wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 11:35am: An Optimist, a Cynic, and a Realist Walked into a Bar… https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/A_priest%2C_a_rabbi%2C_a_minister_and_a_duck_walk_into_a_bar.jpg That's wacist and Islamophobic.

It is also racist because of the duck's colour.

tallowood wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 11:59am: tallowood wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 11:35am: An Optimist, a Cynic, and a Realist Walked into a Bar… https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/A_priest%2C_a_rabbi%2C_a_minister_and_a_duck_walk_into_a_bar.jpg That's wacist and Islamophobic. It is also racist because of the duck's colour.

A white, supremacist duck.
Deplorable.

Or is it cynical, pessimistic, fatalistic or literally Hitler?

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 11:59am:

tallowood wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 11:35am: An Optimist, a Cynic, and a Realist Walked into a Bar… https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/A_priest%2C_a_rabbi%2C_a_minister_and_a_duck_walk_into_a_bar.jpg That's wacist and Islamophobic.

Yeah, but it was funny.

tallowood wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 11:59am: tallowood wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 11:35am: An Optimist, a Cynic, and a Realist Walked into a Bar… https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/A_priest%2C_a_rabbi%2C_a_minister_and_a_duck_walk_into_a_bar.jpg That's wacist and Islamophobic. It is also racist because of the duck's colour.

The duck left with the bill...

Being cynical is so woke nowadays.

I’ve really worked hard to become better and can announce I’m now also bitter and angry!

Quote:

Are you a cynical person?

Only when I read comments by the person starting this thread  :D

Daves2017 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 10:33pm:

Being cynical is so woke nowadays. I’ve really worked hard to become better and can announce I’m now also bitter and angry!

Being "woke" means to "be aware". I remember when I was in high school and I defined what "woke" meant. The word quickly spread out of Central Queensland and became adopted in places like North America.

Americans might think that they invented the term. But, Australians are far more socially advanced than the general Americans that it is not surprising that the term originated in North Qld and was given a definition in the year 1996 by me and a few other close friends. I remember having a hotmail account and writing emails to an American about this term.

Indigenous Australians in rural and regional Qld would say "Did he/she woke?" or "Is he/she woke?". They meant "is (specified person) awake, now?" after a night of substance abuse.

Woke does not mean "to be antifascist". Antifa is an anti-woke organisation. Generally people aged between 30 and 70 years of age have the tendency to show "wokeness". Generally, those people born in the GenerationX demographic are "woke". If you were born between 1974 and 1983, being "woke" is a part of your culture. People born after, say, 1999 tend to have an anti-woke agenda.

Transgender people do have a tendency to be anti-woke. But that is their prerogative. Oh, I just said something "woke".

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 6:27am:

Daves2017 wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 10:33pm: Being cynical is so woke nowadays. I’ve really worked hard to become better and can announce I’m now also bitter and angry! Being "woke" means to "be aware". I remember when I was in high school and I defined what "woke" meant. The word quickly spread out of Central Queensland and became adopted in places like North America. Americans might think that they invented the term. But, Australians are far more socially advanced than the general Americans that it is not surprising that the term originated in North Qld and was given a definition in the year 1996 by me and a few other close friends. I remember having a hotmail account and writing emails to an American about this term. Indigenous Australians in rural and regional Qld would say "Did he/she woke?" or "Is he/she woke?". They meant "is (specified person) awake, now?" after a night of substance abuse. Woke does not mean "to be antifascist". Antifa is an anti-woke organisation. Generally people aged between 30 and 70 years of age have the tendency to show "wokeness". Generally, those people born in the GenerationX demographic are "woke". If you were born between 1974 and 1983, being "woke" is a part of your culture. People born after, say, 1999 tend to have an anti-woke agenda. Transgender people do have a tendency to be anti-woke. But that is their prerogative. Oh, I just said something "woke".

:o

Building a political strategy on transgender issues is over, after the US Democrats' wipeout.

'All of a sudden' the analysts are estimating that less than 1% of the population have transgender issues.

It has become obvious in the US, which will quickly be reflected throughout the Anglosphere, that possibly 90+% of males and at least 60% of women will vote against it if it's part of a political platform.

As for men competing in women's sports... Gone and, I'd bet, a reassessment of medals awarded.

Nobody ever built a political strategy on trans issues.

Could this place actually be any more ridiculous?

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 7:38am:

Nobody ever built a political strategy on trans issues. Could this place actually be any more ridiculous?

Harris stupidly was on record promising transition therapy/surgery to illegals inmates in US prisons.

Democrat doorknockers reported that it was the number 1 question asked of them by prospective Democrat voters.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 7:41am:

mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:38am: Nobody ever built a political strategy on trans issues. Could this place actually be any more ridiculous? Harris stupidly was on record promising transition therapy/surgery to illegals inmates in US prisons. Democrat doorknockers reported that it was the number 1 question asked of them by prospective Democrat voters.

That is miles away from a political strategy being built on trans issues.

Check yourself.

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 7:52am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:41am: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:38am: Nobody ever built a political strategy on trans issues. Could this place actually be any more ridiculous? Harris stupidly was on record promising transition therapy/surgery to illegals inmates in US prisons. Democrat doorknockers reported that it was the number 1 question asked of them by prospective Democrat voters. That is miles away from a political strategy being built on trans issues. Check yourself.

Oh really? What's the usual point of making public statements of that kind if not stating a party's political strategy? In Harris's case to signal the party's ultra-progressive stance?

Do you think she was expressing a personal opinion?

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 7:52am:

That is miles away from a political strategy being built on trans issues.

Trump spent more campaign money running an ad with her making that comment then he did on any one thing else during the whole campaign.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 7:54am:

mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:52am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:41am: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:38am: Nobody ever built a political strategy on trans issues. Could this place actually be any more ridiculous? Harris stupidly was on record promising transition therapy/surgery to illegals inmates in US prisons. Democrat doorknockers reported that it was the number 1 question asked of them by prospective Democrat voters. That is miles away from a political strategy being built on trans issues. Check yourself. Oh really? What's the usual point of making public statements of that kind if not stating a party's political strategy? In Harris's case to signal the party's ultra-progressive stance? Do you think she was expressing a personal opinion?

Harris was trying to divert attention away from the issues people really cared about like -
how much money was in their pocket?
were they better off today than 4 years ago?

People didn't fall for it.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 7:54am:

mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:52am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:41am: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:38am: Nobody ever built a political strategy on trans issues. Could this place actually be any more ridiculous? Harris stupidly was on record promising transition therapy/surgery to illegals inmates in US prisons. Democrat doorknockers reported that it was the number 1 question asked of them by prospective Democrat voters. That is miles away from a political strategy being built on trans issues. Check yourself. Oh really? What's the usual point of making public statements of that kind if not stating a party's political strategy? In Harris's case to signal the party's ultra-progressive stance? Do you think she was expressing a personal opinion?

One may simply make  a comment without 'building a political strategy' around it you know.

If anyone made it political strategy, it was Trump.

All this said, Trans issues came in at the bottom of what people polled voted about.

But by all means, continue being hysterical.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 7:59am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:54am: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:52am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:41am: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:38am: Nobody ever built a political strategy on trans issues. Could this place actually be any more ridiculous? Harris stupidly was on record promising transition therapy/surgery to illegals inmates in US prisons. Democrat doorknockers reported that it was the number 1 question asked of them by prospective Democrat voters. That is miles away from a political strategy being built on trans issues. Check yourself. Oh really? What's the usual point of making public statements of that kind if not stating a party's political strategy? In Harris's case to signal the party's ultra-progressive stance? Do you think she was expressing a personal opinion? Harris was trying to divert attention away from the issues people really cared about like - how much money was in their pocket? were they better off today than 4 years ago? People didn't fall for it.

She could have used, say, climate change, the cost of tertiary education, a Sanders-style issue... but, no, she threw her chips in on transgender issues.

It proves the insular state of US Democrat politics... Transgender issues, as part of campaign strategies, were already in rapid decline in Britain and Europe... Only Islamic states, like Iran and Pakistan, saw something in it to evade the Koranic prohibition on homosexuality.

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 8:02am:

All this said, Trans issues came in at the bottom of what people polled voted about. But by all means, continue being hysterical.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/136/201/527/original/eaea366ceb819376.jpg

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 8:02am:

All this said, Trans issues came in at the bottom of what people polled voted about. But by all means, continue being hysterical.

Not according to the Democrat doorknockers. What people tell pollsters online or over the phone is another issue.

The revulsion of even discussing it with pollsters was probably seen as perverted by Americans... that and the fear that blue-hairs pollsters would target those who spoke out against it.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 8:10am:

mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 8:02am: All this said, Trans issues came in at the bottom of what people polled voted about. But by all means, continue being hysterical. Not according to the Democrat doorknockers. What people tell pollsters online or over the phone is another issue. The revulsion of even discussing it with pollsters was probably seen as perverted by Americans... that and the fear that blue-hairs pollsters would target those who spoke out against it.

NOPE. trans issues ranked at the bottom of issues concerning voters in the election. Despite all the fuss.

i'll let you you speak for the fuss. you seem to be on board.

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 8:20am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 8:10am: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 8:02am: All this said, Trans issues came in at the bottom of what people polled voted about. But by all means, continue being hysterical. Not according to the Democrat doorknockers. What people tell pollsters online or over the phone is another issue. The revulsion of even discussing it with pollsters was probably seen as perverted by Americans... that and the fear that blue-hairs pollsters would target those who spoke out against it. NOPE. trans issues ranked at the bottom of issues concerning voters in the election. Despite all the fuss. i'll let you you speak for the fuss. you seem to be on board.

The reason why nearly all pollsters got the 2024 election outcome so wrong, is what people tell pollsters does not reflect the issues they're really voting for/against nor the person they're voting for/against.

The 2016 polls had Hillary Clinton winning by a massive landslide. The postmortem on why the polls got it so wrong was largely due to people's reluctance to admit they didn't like Clinton in case they were perceived as misogynistic.

What people tell doorknockers, however, tend to more accurately reflect the final result.

The Chinese CCP loves phone/online polls about satisfaction with the CCP. They usually record 95+% satisfaction.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 8:31am:

mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 8:20am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 8:10am: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 8:02am: All this said, Trans issues came in at the bottom of what people polled voted about. But by all means, continue being hysterical. Not according to the Democrat doorknockers. What people tell pollsters online or over the phone is another issue. The revulsion of even discussing it with pollsters was probably seen as perverted by Americans... that and the fear that blue-hairs pollsters would target those who spoke out against it. NOPE. trans issues ranked at the bottom of issues concerning voters in the election. Despite all the fuss. i'll let you you speak for the fuss. you seem to be on board. The reason why nearly all pollsters got the 2024 election outcome so wrong, is what people tell pollsters does not reflect the issues they're really voting for/against nor the person they're voting for/against. The 2016 polls had Hillary Clinton winning by a massive landslide. The postmortem on why the polls got it so wrong was largely due to people's reluctance to admit they didn't like Clinton in case they were perceived as misogynistic. What people tell doorknockers, however, tend to more accurately reflect the final result. The Chinese CCP loves phone/online polls about satisfaction with the CCP. They usually record 95+% satisfaction.

Oh yes of course! Trans issues were at the forefront for voters in the last election and Harris built her political campaign around the issue.

Had you not been here to tell us so, we'd never have known.

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 8:36am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 8:31am: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 8:20am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 8:10am: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 8:02am: All this said, Trans issues came in at the bottom of what people polled voted about. But by all means, continue being hysterical. Not according to the Democrat doorknockers. What people tell pollsters online or over the phone is another issue. The revulsion of even discussing it with pollsters was probably seen as perverted by Americans... that and the fear that blue-hairs pollsters would target those who spoke out against it. NOPE. trans issues ranked at the bottom of issues concerning voters in the election. Despite all the fuss. i'll let you you speak for the fuss. you seem to be on board. The reason why nearly all pollsters got the 2024 election outcome so wrong, is what people tell pollsters does not reflect the issues they're really voting for/against nor the person they're voting for/against. The 2016 polls had Hillary Clinton winning by a massive landslide. The postmortem on why the polls got it so wrong was largely due to people's reluctance to admit they didn't like Clinton in case they were perceived as misogynistic. What people tell doorknockers, however, tend to more accurately reflect the final result. The Chinese CCP loves phone/online polls about satisfaction with the CCP. They usually record 95+% satisfaction. Oh yes of course! Trans issues were at the forefront for voters in the last election and Harris built her political campaign around the issue. Had you not been here to tell us so, we'd never have known.

Transgender was a strategy among other strategies. English specifies singular and plural without necessarily using context alone - it's the effect of the indefinite article.

However, it was one of the most contentious issues (using definite article).

lmao!

You seriously need the last word, however ridiculous.

Carry on.

What needs to happen now is a cleanup operation to hose off the sh!t blue-hairs have smeared over the walls of our educational, and other, institutions.

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 8:01am:

If anyone made it political strategy, it was Trump.

It was certainly one of his political strategies which, even Democrat doorknockers admit, had a significant role in his landslide victory.

Harris also made a point of signalling her pronouns (she/her) - now mocked as (has/been).

The transgender issue is reminiscent of another women-driven activist cause - temperance societies - that resulted in Prohibition being established in the US Constitution's 18th Amendment - only to be repealed some years later, when the 18th's damage was fully realised, by the 21st Amendment.

Behold! Yet another Motte and Bailey fallacy laid out by Ecky.

And you don't even need to give him an inch. He just takes it!

All sorts of crazy poo happening in the Bailey right now.

All spawned from a false flag in the Motte. That Harris built a political strategy on Trans issues.

She did not.

Now THAT, mes enfants - is THE epitome of cynicism!!  Selective Cynicism to be sure but still...

Perhaps I could rope dividie into a dispute over Comparative Cynicism or something... but that would be too cynical of me....

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 9:03am:

The transgender issue is reminiscent of another women-driven activist cause - temperance societies - that resulted in Prohibition being established in the US Constitution's 18th Amendment - only to be repealed some years later, when the 18th's damage was fully realised, by the 21st Amendment.

So when they repeal transgenderism the current rising gangster class based on cutting and drugging kids behind closed doors, including in schools, smuggling in hormones etc, will have to go legit or find a new way to earn a dollar?

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 8:43am:

lmao! You seriously need the last word, however ridiculous. Carry on.

All right - YOU have the last word then .... TAKE IT! I give it to you ......     ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D           8-)

Trans non-issues came in last due to the current climate of fear about being erased and such and name-called (you big brutes!) for speaking out...  due to your mate leftie attacking me verbally, I've looked into it and spoken out against it ever since..... and now that all the reviews are beginning, and Trump will put more of those in action ..... the jig is up for this fantasy world.

We real people are now sitting back and just waiting on the Untergang of the transgender madness.

Funny thing - one of the 'True Trannies' is very onside with my views - and I with hir's ... since the full Reviews will sort the sheep from the goats and thus create an atmosphere in which True Trannies can get proper treatment for their issues..... and the aspirants... the acolytes... the pretenders etc .. can get proper treatment for theirs.....

Most of the virulent 'activists' about his Madness are school kids... expect the carrying on to ramp up with holidays coming soon.... all the old discredited crap re-birthed and all the same vitriol and vicious personal attacks through reporting views etc wrongly...

The Science will win out no matter what the kideologues carry on about....     ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D   ... the Tide Of History Has Turned..... and down sank the belly-achers with the gurgler sounding ...

https://media0.giphy.com/media/byrjZgFhTYQHm/200w.gif

If the US follows a strategy of extricating trans (and other sex/gender-based uber-progressive issues) from educational and other institutions, including sports, the Anglosphere will quickly follow.

Britain and Europe have already begun this process.

Canada may be a hold-out for as long as Trudeau remains in power.

Now that it has had a hugely negative effect on Harris's campaign, Trudeau's political opponents now have a powerful proven cause to attack what's left of Trudeau's hold on power.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 9:23am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:03am: The transgender issue is reminiscent of another women-driven activist cause - temperance societies - that resulted in Prohibition being established in the US Constitution's 18th Amendment - only to be repealed some years later, when the 18th's damage was fully realised, by the 21st Amendment. So when they repeal transgenderism the current rising gangster class based on cutting and drugging kids behind closed doors, including in schools, smuggling in hormones etc, will have to go legit or find a new way to earn a dollar?

Hormones and drugs used in transition 'therapy' already have legal uses in prisons to reduce sexual violence and hyper-sexuality.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 9:29am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:23am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:03am: The transgender issue is reminiscent of another women-driven activist cause - temperance societies - that resulted in Prohibition being established in the US Constitution's 18th Amendment - only to be repealed some years later, when the 18th's damage was fully realised, by the 21st Amendment. So when they repeal transgenderism the current rising gangster class based on cutting and drugging kids behind closed doors, including in schools, smuggling in hormones etc, will have to go legit or find a new way to earn a dollar? Hormones and drugs used in transition 'therapy' already have legal uses in prisons to reduce sexual violence and hyper-sexuality.

And that's where  they can remain.... not inside kids.    8-)

What will all those 'surgeons' and 'clinics' and 'other professionals' do for a living?  Useful work for a change?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 9:40am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:29am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:23am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:03am: The transgender issue is reminiscent of another women-driven activist cause - temperance societies - that resulted in Prohibition being established in the US Constitution's 18th Amendment - only to be repealed some years later, when the 18th's damage was fully realised, by the 21st Amendment. So when they repeal transgenderism the current rising gangster class based on cutting and drugging kids behind closed doors, including in schools, smuggling in hormones etc, will have to go legit or find a new way to earn a dollar? Hormones and drugs used in transition 'therapy' already have legal uses in prisons to reduce sexual violence and hyper-sexuality. And that's where  they can remain.... not inside kids.    8-) What will all those 'surgeons' and 'clinics' and 'other professionals' do for a living?  Useful work for a change?

Retain lawyers, and prepare their defence, in the event that their recent (mal)practice on underage kids is retrospectively outlawed via new laws introduced banning the practice.

Am I a cynical person?
Not all the time  :)
Only sometimes… because the way this world is… we need to be cynical to protect ourselves from all sorts of bs/scams/ etc
We just have to know when to turn on our cynicism when there’s a call for it.
I guess the older I get, I get less ripped off or conned because I’ve developed a healthy mistrust  ;D

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Sophia wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 9:57am:

Am I a cynical person? Not all the time  :) Only sometimes… because the way this world is… we need to be cynical to protect ourselves from all sorts of bs/scams/ etc We just have to know when to turn on our cynicism when there’s a call for it. I guess the older I get, I get less ripped off or conned because I’ve developed a healthy mistrust  ;D

And has been statistically proven - that scams have a higher success rate the younger the target. Boomers are the least likely to be scammed than Millennials and Zoomers.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 9:47am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:40am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:29am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:23am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:03am: The transgender issue is reminiscent of another women-driven activist cause - temperance societies - that resulted in Prohibition being established in the US Constitution's 18th Amendment - only to be repealed some years later, when the 18th's damage was fully realised, by the 21st Amendment. So when they repeal transgenderism the current rising gangster class based on cutting and drugging kids behind closed doors, including in schools, smuggling in hormones etc, will have to go legit or find a new way to earn a dollar? Hormones and drugs used in transition 'therapy' already have legal uses in prisons to reduce sexual violence and hyper-sexuality. And that's where  they can remain.... not inside kids.    8-) What will all those 'surgeons' and 'clinics' and 'other professionals' do for a living?  Useful work for a change? Retain lawyers, and prepare their defence, in the event that their recent (mal)practice on underage kids is retrospectively outlawed via new laws introduced banning the practice.

Against who? Trans people are by and large hugely thankful for any help they've recieved in their transitioning journey.

What's more, the scientific evidence is absolutely and overwhelmingly behind those who support Trans patients.

Who is suing? Is this an extension of your misplaced "political agenda" tag?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 10:01am:

Sophia wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:57am: Am I a cynical person? Not all the time  :) Only sometimes… because the way this world is… we need to be cynical to protect ourselves from all sorts of bs/scams/ etc We just have to know when to turn on our cynicism when there’s a call for it. I guess the older I get, I get less ripped off or conned because I’ve developed a healthy mistrust  ;D And has been statistically proven - that scams have a higher success rate the younger the target. Boomers are the least likely to be scammed than Millennials and Zoomers.

Depends entirely on the scam.

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 10:16am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:47am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:40am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:29am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:23am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:03am: The transgender issue is reminiscent of another women-driven activist cause - temperance societies - that resulted in Prohibition being established in the US Constitution's 18th Amendment - only to be repealed some years later, when the 18th's damage was fully realised, by the 21st Amendment. So when they repeal transgenderism the current rising gangster class based on cutting and drugging kids behind closed doors, including in schools, smuggling in hormones etc, will have to go legit or find a new way to earn a dollar? Hormones and drugs used in transition 'therapy' already have legal uses in prisons to reduce sexual violence and hyper-sexuality. And that's where  they can remain.... not inside kids.    8-) What will all those 'surgeons' and 'clinics' and 'other professionals' do for a living?  Useful work for a change? Retain lawyers, and prepare their defence, in the event that their recent (mal)practice on underage kids is retrospectively outlawed via new laws introduced banning the practice. Against who? Trans people are by and large hugely thankful for any help they've recieved in their transitioning journey. What's more, the scientific evidence is absolutely and overwhelmingly behind those who support Trans patients. Who is suing? Is this an extension of your misplaced "political agenda" tag?

Class-action lawsuits against Tavistock are leading the way on this.

Scientific evidence will be tested in court, as eugenics was, and debunked.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 10:37am:

mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 10:16am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:47am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:40am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:29am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:23am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:03am: The transgender issue is reminiscent of another women-driven activist cause - temperance societies - that resulted in Prohibition being established in the US Constitution's 18th Amendment - only to be repealed some years later, when the 18th's damage was fully realised, by the 21st Amendment. So when they repeal transgenderism the current rising gangster class based on cutting and drugging kids behind closed doors, including in schools, smuggling in hormones etc, will have to go legit or find a new way to earn a dollar? Hormones and drugs used in transition 'therapy' already have legal uses in prisons to reduce sexual violence and hyper-sexuality. And that's where  they can remain.... not inside kids.    8-) What will all those 'surgeons' and 'clinics' and 'other professionals' do for a living?  Useful work for a change? Retain lawyers, and prepare their defence, in the event that their recent (mal)practice on underage kids is retrospectively outlawed via new laws introduced banning the practice. Against who? Trans people are by and large hugely thankful for any help they've recieved in their transitioning journey. What's more, the scientific evidence is absolutely and overwhelmingly behind those who support Trans patients. Who is suing? Is this an extension of your misplaced "political agenda" tag? Class-action lawsuits against Tavistock are leading the way on this. Scientific evidence will be tested in court, as eugenics was, and debunked.

More grist for the bailey.

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 11:26am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 10:37am: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 10:16am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:47am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:40am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:29am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:23am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:03am: The transgender issue is reminiscent of another women-driven activist cause - temperance societies - that resulted in Prohibition being established in the US Constitution's 18th Amendment - only to be repealed some years later, when the 18th's damage was fully realised, by the 21st Amendment. So when they repeal transgenderism the current rising gangster class based on cutting and drugging kids behind closed doors, including in schools, smuggling in hormones etc, will have to go legit or find a new way to earn a dollar? Hormones and drugs used in transition 'therapy' already have legal uses in prisons to reduce sexual violence and hyper-sexuality. And that's where  they can remain.... not inside kids.    8-) What will all those 'surgeons' and 'clinics' and 'other professionals' do for a living?  Useful work for a change? Retain lawyers, and prepare their defence, in the event that their recent (mal)practice on underage kids is retrospectively outlawed via new laws introduced banning the practice. Against who? Trans people are by and large hugely thankful for any help they've recieved in their transitioning journey. What's more, the scientific evidence is absolutely and overwhelmingly behind those who support Trans patients. Who is suing? Is this an extension of your misplaced "political agenda" tag? Class-action lawsuits against Tavistock are leading the way on this. Scientific evidence will be tested in court, as eugenics was, and debunked. More grist for the bailey.

You lot will need to realise, that your days of experimenting and diddling around with something as complex as sexuality, via pills and surgery, are over.

Inevitable new laws will deter the medical profession from experimenting on human children - they will not risk prosecution and jail - as they already are in the UK.

All this will one day be compared to the use of the 'miracle drug', Thalidomide, or, relatively more recently, new-generation sleeping tablets that, according to 'the science' were non-addictive and had little to no side effects - until, that is, people using them came-to driving their cars at 3:00 am having side-swiped vehicles all the way up the street.

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 7:38am:

Nobody ever built a political strategy on trans issues. Could this place actually be any more ridiculous?

If you don't know, then you don't care.

Transgender people have this rebellious nature that makes them anti-woke. They are claiming to be woke. But the reality is that they have a sizeable proportion of their growing numbers that don't care about what the general community think. They are considered antifascists.

On the other side of the argument are the woke (general community of politically and socially aware) people who are sick of the "in your face" perversity of transgender people. Not that all transgender/non-binary people are perverted. In fact, most transgender just live normal lives. Some transgender just go public with their venting of pent-up rage. Others commit suicide.

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 10:17am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 10:01am: Sophia wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:57am: Am I a cynical person? Not all the time  :) Only sometimes… because the way this world is… we need to be cynical to protect ourselves from all sorts of bs/scams/ etc We just have to know when to turn on our cynicism when there’s a call for it. I guess the older I get, I get less ripped off or conned because I’ve developed a healthy mistrust  ;D And has been statistically proven - that scams have a higher success rate the younger the target. Boomers are the least likely to be scammed than Millennials and Zoomers. Depends entirely on the scam.

Sadly true, the most obvious ones most of us know…. like short prank missed unknown phone calls  … expecting us to ring back … I block it, then delete.
Then there’s some unknown numbers ringing which could be legit… do I answer it? Nope!
I say… if it’s important … I have my message saying “please leave a message”
The ones that do… I listen and then know it’s from something like the reception at specialist about changing appointments, or the Vic govt electric heat bank special to replace the gas hws I’m applying for…
Then I call back.

Then there’s some I’ve been scammed with a legit website… and lost $80 recently…
Now I’m more cynical about anything to buy online… over last 5 years caught twice … but not a lot of money lost I can’t get over… it’s the inconvenience of cancelling the credit card for a new one.
I think twice before buying anything now.

I’ve lost interest buying online because I have lost trust.
Best to go shopping in shops I can walk into.

And maybe it’s not just being a tad cynical… I’m getting paranoid!
I check my banking every day!
I hear how even experts have been scammed! And a few elderly too… more so lonely, or widowed or elderly that have been brought up on trust, good will and a handshake deal.

Sophia wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 2:42pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 10:17am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 10:01am: Sophia wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:57am: Am I a cynical person? Not all the time  :) Only sometimes… because the way this world is… we need to be cynical to protect ourselves from all sorts of bs/scams/ etc We just have to know when to turn on our cynicism when there’s a call for it. I guess the older I get, I get less ripped off or conned because I’ve developed a healthy mistrust  ;D And has been statistically proven - that scams have a higher success rate the younger the target. Boomers are the least likely to be scammed than Millennials and Zoomers. Depends entirely on the scam. Sadly true, the most obvious ones most of us know…. like short prank missed unknown phone calls  … expecting us to ring back … I block it, then delete. Then there’s some unknown numbers ringing which could be legit… do I answer it? Nope! I say… if it’s important … I have my message saying “please leave a message” The ones that do… I listen and then know it’s from something like the reception at specialist about changing appointments, or the Vic govt electric heat bank special to replace the gas hws I’m applying for… Then I call back. Then there’s some I’ve been scammed with a legit website… and lost $80 recently… Now I’m more cynical about anything to buy online… over last 5 years caught twice … but not a lot of money lost I can’t get over… it’s the inconvenience of cancelling the credit card for a new one. I think twice before buying anything now. I’ve lost interest buying online because I have lost trust. Best to go shopping in shops I can walk into. And maybe it’s not just being a tad cynical… I’m getting paranoid! I check my banking every day! I hear how even experts have been scammed! And a few elderly too… more so lonely, or widowed or elderly that have been brought up on trust, good will and a handshake deal.

Get one of these

https://wise.com/au/card/

It's a debit card that functions like a Visa card.
Brilliant for overseas travel, too.

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 4:06pm:

Get one of these https://wise.com/au/card/ It's a debit card that functions like a Visa card. Brilliant for overseas travel, too.

I use PayPal.

They got me my money back when catch.com sold me a watch for $440 that
they didn't even have in stock - just a pretty picture on their website.
Even large companies like catch.com are rogues - you can't trust them -
hence another reason for me to be so cynical.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 1:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:24pm: I found that the older I got the more cynical I became. Now I hardly believe a word that anyone says. I distrust people, the Govt.  used car/motorbike dealers, real estate agents, lawyers, and also employers - they have all let me down more times than I could count. So, you and 25 million of us, then! But the article on CNN says we should not be cynical.

So now you want to believe the MSM ?

I didn't find any substance in the article - they have no logical reason to not be cynical in the areas mentioned that we all know have routinely let us down and deserve no trust based on their record.

So the MSM would prefer for us to believe them ? right - got it.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 4:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:32pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:24pm: I found that the older I got the more cynical I became. Now I hardly believe a word that anyone says. I distrust people, the Govt.  used car/motorbike dealers, real estate agents, lawyers, and also employers - they have all let me down more times than I could count. So, you and 25 million of us, then! But the article on CNN says we should not be cynical. So now you want to believe the MSM ? I didn't find any substance in the article - they have no logical reason to not be cynical in the areas mentioned that we all know have routinely let us down and deserve no trust based on their record. So the MSM would prefer for us to believe them ? right - got it.

Well - listen to Trump next time he says -

"CNN is fake news."

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 8:01am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:54am: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:52am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:41am: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 7:38am: Nobody ever built a political strategy on trans issues. Could this place actually be any more ridiculous? Harris stupidly was on record promising transition therapy/surgery to illegals inmates in US prisons. Democrat doorknockers reported that it was the number 1 question asked of them by prospective Democrat voters. That is miles away from a political strategy being built on trans issues. Check yourself. Oh really? What's the usual point of making public statements of that kind if not stating a party's political strategy? In Harris's case to signal the party's ultra-progressive stance? Do you think she was expressing a personal opinion? One may simply make  a comment without 'building a political strategy' around it you know. If anyone made it political strategy, it was Trump.

you present him with an opportunity he's going to take it

biden calling americans garbage ?...dumb

hilary calling people deplorable?... dumb

the errors are errors made by the democrats

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 4:06pm:

Sophia wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 2:42pm: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 10:17am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 10:01am: Sophia wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:57am: Am I a cynical person? Not all the time  :) Only sometimes… because the way this world is… we need to be cynical to protect ourselves from all sorts of bs/scams/ etc We just have to know when to turn on our cynicism when there’s a call for it. I guess the older I get, I get less ripped off or conned because I’ve developed a healthy mistrust  ;D And has been statistically proven - that scams have a higher success rate the younger the target. Boomers are the least likely to be scammed than Millennials and Zoomers. Depends entirely on the scam. Sadly true, the most obvious ones most of us know…. like short prank missed unknown phone calls  … expecting us to ring back … I block it, then delete. Then there’s some unknown numbers ringing which could be legit… do I answer it? Nope! I say… if it’s important … I have my message saying “please leave a message” The ones that do… I listen and then know it’s from something like the reception at specialist about changing appointments, or the Vic govt electric heat bank special to replace the gas hws I’m applying for… Then I call back. Then there’s some I’ve been scammed with a legit website… and lost $80 recently… Now I’m more cynical about anything to buy online… over last 5 years caught twice … but not a lot of money lost I can’t get over… it’s the inconvenience of cancelling the credit card for a new one. I think twice before buying anything now. I’ve lost interest buying online because I have lost trust. Best to go shopping in shops I can walk into. And maybe it’s not just being a tad cynical… I’m getting paranoid! I check my banking every day! I hear how even experts have been scammed! And a few elderly too… more so lonely, or widowed or elderly that have been brought up on trust, good will and a handshake deal. Get one of these https://wise.com/au/card/ It's a debit card that functions like a Visa card. Brilliant for overseas travel, too.

One can simply not say debit cards cannot get scammed… maybe there’s a bit more protection with credit cards.

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Sophia wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 4:39pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 4:06pm: Sophia wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 2:42pm: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 10:17am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 10:01am: Sophia wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 9:57am: Am I a cynical person? Not all the time  :) Only sometimes… because the way this world is… we need to be cynical to protect ourselves from all sorts of bs/scams/ etc We just have to know when to turn on our cynicism when there’s a call for it. I guess the older I get, I get less ripped off or conned because I’ve developed a healthy mistrust  ;D And has been statistically proven - that scams have a higher success rate the younger the target. Boomers are the least likely to be scammed than Millennials and Zoomers. Depends entirely on the scam. Sadly true, the most obvious ones most of us know…. like short prank missed unknown phone calls  … expecting us to ring back … I block it, then delete. Then there’s some unknown numbers ringing which could be legit… do I answer it? Nope! I say… if it’s important … I have my message saying “please leave a message” The ones that do… I listen and then know it’s from something like the reception at specialist about changing appointments, or the Vic govt electric heat bank special to replace the gas hws I’m applying for… Then I call back. Then there’s some I’ve been scammed with a legit website… and lost $80 recently… Now I’m more cynical about anything to buy online… over last 5 years caught twice … but not a lot of money lost I can’t get over… it’s the inconvenience of cancelling the credit card for a new one. I think twice before buying anything now. I’ve lost interest buying online because I have lost trust. Best to go shopping in shops I can walk into. And maybe it’s not just being a tad cynical… I’m getting paranoid! I check my banking every day! I hear how even experts have been scammed! And a few elderly too… more so lonely, or widowed or elderly that have been brought up on trust, good will and a handshake deal. Get one of these https://wise.com/au/card/ It's a debit card that functions like a Visa card. Brilliant for overseas travel, too. One can simply not say debit cards cannot get scammed… maybe there’s a bit more protection with credit cards.

You put your money on it so you can keep it ticking along with say $200 for an online impulse buy. It's great when travelling since there is no online payment without your verification.

There is NO protection from willingly handing money to crooks.
So don't buy anything from a link sent to you.

TRUST ME!  :o :o :o

Seriously, it's terrific. You can use it as an opal card in in Oz, Europe.  Online bookings, anything. Had it for my last two overseas trips and use it for online transactions from parking, theatre to hotels and shirtings.  Brill. 

Maybe - but some here must be running scared... look at this... some here are absolutely petrified of any open discussion of several issues....... got 'em on the run, though.... remember that Chinese Astrological Year of Ox - gentle, loyal, hard-working beast...... but when the buffalo fight - all else in the jungle takes cover.... damn - monkeys and humans set the same tasks - hardly a fair study ....   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/scientists-may-have-finally-figured-out-where-paranoia-lives-in-the-brain/ar-BB1ol2Pi?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=ec6d11a768034fa4e05b23e60fd284c2&ei=10

oooh!  Psycho-babble....

"Often dismissed as an irrational or overinflated sense of concern, paranoia extends from a very rational ability to keep our wits about us in a chaotic environment.

Being able to adapt quickly can keep us alive when circumstances do change. At an extreme, however, delusional beliefs in the ill intentions of others can be socially isolating, robbing people of the ability to maintain healthy relationships and hold down jobs.

To better understand why some brains figuratively jump at shadows more than others, a team of researchers led by Yale University psychiatrists Praveen Suthaharan and Summer Thompson analyzed the results of a simple test on a group of male rhesus macaque monkeys and human volunteers.

Called a probabilistic reversal learning (PRL) task, the test revolved around the selection of a symbol for a chance of a reward – food for monkeys, and points for humans.

Different symbols granted varying chances of success, so given a choice of three on a screen, the subject was given an opportunity to learn which symbol was most likely to earn a reward.

Just when the subjects thought they had it all figured out after half of the test runs, the trial outcomes were flipped, with the luckiest symbol paying out rewards less frequently, and the unluckiest symbol now becoming the optimal choice.

"So participants have to figure out what's the best target, and when there's a perceived change in the environment, the participant then has to find the new best target," says Yale psychologist Steve Chang.

Six of the 20 macaques had undergone a neurological procedure previously in separate studies that affected either their dorsal thalamic nuclei – a region thought to play a role in planning, abstract thinking, and organization – or an area in their prefrontal cortex involved in decision-making.

Human volunteers, on the other hand, were required to complete a thought scale questionnaire to assess their level of paranoia, and a second survey to determine signs of any depression.

By analyzing the behaviors of the monkeys and humans before and after the switch had occurred and comparing the results with those of the surveys, the team were able to judge which of the impeded brain areas may affect the monkey's ability to coolly navigate the volatile gaming environment.

"Not only did we use data in which monkeys and humans performed the same task, we also applied the same computational analysis to both datasets," says Yale psychiatrist Philip Corlett.

The data indicated both the magnocellular mediodorsal thalamus (MDmc) within the dorsal thalamic nucleus and locations in the orbitofrontal cortex (known as Walker's areas 11, 13, and 14) all affected the monkey's behaviors following the test's switch, in subtly different ways.

Among those with impeded Walker's areas, the sudden loss of reward had little impact on their decisions to switch. The monkeys kept on tapping what they thought was the 'winning' ticket with reckless abandon.

Those whose MDmc had been damaged demonstrated the very opposite behavior, switching back and forth even after discovering the new 'high chance' symbol was paying out rewards, almost as if they suspected the system was rigged against them personally."