I don’t believe either labor or Lnp are the leaders this country needs to not only deal with today’s issues or future issues.

The simple and proven truth is labor is as corrupt and terrible as the Lnp.

The green or one nation both have corrupt conduct recorded and I believe it’s proportion to their share the vote- if they had a bigger base in government there corruption would increase in proportion.

So, I’m all about independents .

Unfortunately so are labor and the Lnp.

They disguise party people and parachute them in with suspect funding for no other reason than to feed preferences back to either the liberal or labor.

Such utter deception and they all believe it’s ok!

Don’t consider your independents as actually independent.

The majority are Trojan and set in place to trap your vote and feed it the very party your seeking to avoid.

Your vote does count.

In funding, who ever vote for receives close to $15 in our taxpayer funding.

Don’t get ripped off

If the stranglehold is too tight it will choke the country - if it is too loose it will let the country run its own way...... which would be unbearable to the politicians....

I vote Libertarian at 1 with Pauline or Shooters Fishers farmers at 2 and 3.

Fatima Paymans new muslim party will be last with Greens 2nd last and Vegans from Animal Justice party 3rd last.

Looks like Jason in gone in the next election how is that diversity working out for Labor?
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Daves2017 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 10:52pm:

The simple and proven truth is labor is as corrupt and terrible as the Lnp.

care to show any of this 'corruption' you keep rabbiting on about?

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:22am:

Daves2017 wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:52pm: The simple and proven truth is labor is as corrupt and terrible as the Lnp. care to show any of this 'corruption' you keep rabbiting on about?

https://jacobin.com/2021/11/adem-somyurek-australian-labor-right-alp-corruption-nepotism


“Earlier this year, disgraced former MP Adem Somyurek joined the long list of Labor politicians to be investigated for corruption.”

How many do you require?

Daves2017 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 8:32am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:22am: Daves2017 wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:52pm: The simple and proven truth is labor is as corrupt and terrible as the Lnp. care to show any of this 'corruption' you keep rabbiting on about? https://jacobin.com/2021/11/adem-somyurek-australian-labor-right-alp-corruption-nepotism “Earlier this year, disgraced former MP Adem Somyurek joined the long list of Labor politicians to be investigated for corruption.” How many do you require?

Unlike with the libs, Somyurek was expelled from the labor party years ago. Do you want to try again? This time, see if you can come up with something with the current federal govt, which is what you were whinging about

“Labor Party

​​Marlene Kairouz, Victorian Consumer Affairs Minister
Kairoyz was also involved in the Somyurek branch stacking debacle (outlined below). The IBAC report also found Ms Kairouz to have breached elements of the ministerial and MPs codes of conduct. She resigned from her position as Minister, but remains in the Victorian government and denies any wrongdoing.“

Daves2017 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 9:37am:

“Labor Party ​​Marlene Kairouz, Victorian Consumer Affairs Minister Kairoyz was also involved in the Somyurek branch stacking debacle (outlined below). The IBAC report also found Ms Kairouz to have breached elements of the ministerial and MPs codes of conduct. She resigned from her position as Minister, but remains in the Victorian government and denies any wrongdoing.“

thats not evidence of corruption though, and still nothing to do with the current federal government. .... three strikes and you're out

“One journalist has written: “The NSW Premier Neville Wran, whose administration later became a byword for graft …” Another described the more recent Berejiklian Coalition government in NSW as “the most corrupt government since the Wran years” “

“ Afr

Oh indulge me, I’m simply setting the mood, dimming the lights and putting on some relaxing music.

Daves2017 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 9:55am:

“One journalist has written: “The NSW Premier Neville Wran, whose administration later became a byword for graft …” Another described the more recent Berejiklian Coalition government in NSW as “the most corrupt government since the Wran years” “ “ Afr Oh indulge me, I’m simply setting the mood, dimming the lights and putting on some relaxing music.

I'm not sure you understand what constitutes 'evidence'.

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/dec/12/sam-dastyari-quits-labor-senator-china-connections

“ Dastyari said his position had become untenable in the wake of further revelations regarding his contact with Huang Xiangmo, a donor with links to China’s ruling communist regime, which forced his first demotion in 2016.”
“ the guardian.

Rudd”s mr fix it or paper bag handler?

If I build it the truth will become obvious?

Now how about the leader of the opposition and his multi million dollar memory mistake?

The Libs and Labs are as crooked as they come - murder, manslaughter, child sex offences, stealing, fraud, etc etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_politicians_convicted_of_crimes

Totally past their use-by date

Daves2017 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 11:43am:

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/dec/12/sam-dastyari-quits-labor-senator-china-connections “ Dastyari said his position had become untenable in the wake of further revelations regarding his contact with Huang Xiangmo, a donor with links to China’s ruling communist regime, which forced his first demotion in 2016.” “ the guardian. Rudd”s mr fix it or paper bag handler? If I build it the truth will become obvious? Now how about the leader of the opposition and his multi million dollar memory mistake?

Sam was a decade ago and has nothing to do with the Albo government... you said the current government was corrupt and yet despite multiple attempts, you've been unable to any evidence of corruption whatsoever, let alone made an argument for alleged (by someone other than you) corruption.

Admit it, you made it up.

Independents!
But be warned, both the Lnp and labor will run “ independent’s “ to corrupt the vote.

We need people who put their community first and negotiate what’s best for the country.

Not born to rule lifetime politicians who will do anything to promote their own career in the party they belong to at your and I expense!

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 12:04pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 11:43am: https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/dec/12/sam-dastyari-quits-labor-senator-china-connections “ Dastyari said his position had become untenable in the wake of further revelations regarding his contact with Huang Xiangmo, a donor with links to China’s ruling communist regime, which forced his first demotion in 2016.” “ the guardian. Rudd”s mr fix it or paper bag handler? If I build it the truth will become obvious? Now how about the leader of the opposition and his multi million dollar memory mistake? Sam was a decade ago and has nothing to do with the Albo government... you said the current government was corrupt and yet despite multiple attempts, you've been unable to any evidence of corruption whatsoever, let alone made an argument for alleged (by someone other than you) corruption. Admit it, you made it up.

Just give me time.

If I build it eventually the truth will be on display.
I admit it’s a little more difficult with Albo hidden federal Icac.

I mean, why would Albo want to ensure federal politicians names  accused of corruption are hidden from
The public domain?

Why?

Hey , just maybe…….

This piece of political scum has a special place in Australia labor history-

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Thomson_(politician)

Mr smith? Are you kinda getting the vibe? You know birds of a feather and that?

Daves2017 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 2:30pm:

This piece of political scum has a special place in Australia labor history- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Thomson_(politician) Mr smith? Are you kinda getting the vibe? You know birds of a feather and that?

are you now bringing up the guy labor kicked out of the party?  :D :D :D

wanna try again?

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 4:24pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 2:30pm: This piece of political scum has a special place in Australia labor history- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Thomson_(politician) Mr smith? Are you kinda getting the vibe? You know birds of a feather and that? are you now bringing up the guy labor kicked out of the party?  :D :D :D wanna try again?

“In April 2012 he announced his intention to sit on the crossbench as an independent member of parliament.”

He wasn’t kicked out, he left. The very bitter irony was Gillards best speech and performance in parliament was to answer a question regarding Graig Thompson and defend Graig Thompson!

Try and again will you, it’s all on public record.
Research will help you?

If the neck chains are too tight, they will strangle the worker... if they are too loose, he will expect to be paid fairly ... the middle way is to have his chains looser than tight and pay him unfairly.  :o

Confuseyuz say:-  Man who take self too seriously always has audience of one!