Australia's birth rate hits rock bottom with severe consequences for economic future

17 Oct 2024
ABC News

In short:
Australia's birth rate of 1.50 represents an all-time low.

Experts say younger Australians are increasingly concerned about their economic security and that's influencing their family planning decisions.

What's next?
Australia has bounced back from low fertility rates before in similar economic circumstances, and demographers say the nation can do it again.


There are warnings that Australia's birth rate — having hit a record low — is now at a critical level.

Bureau of Statistics figures show 286,998 births were registered in Australia in 2023, resulting in a total fertility rate of 1.50 babies per woman.

Australian National University demographer Liz Allen said the nation's birth rate is perilously low.

"We've hit rock bottom," she said.


Demographer Liz Allen says Australia is reaching the point of no return.

The Total Fertility Rate, or TFR, over the past 30 years has slowly dropped from 1.86 in 1993 to 1.5 in 2023.

The birth rate for girls and women aged 15 to 19 has fallen by more than two thirds over that period.

There's also been a large decline for women aged 20 to 24 years.

"We've got to a position where young people are saying now is inhospitable to having children," Dr Allen said.

"And young people are unlikely to achieve their desired family size.

"I'm not talking oodles and oodles of children — I'm talking a child, maybe a second one."

On the flipside, the fertility rate of women aged 40 to 44 years has almost doubled over the past 30 years.

Getting to the point of no return
Looking at the numbers overall, Dr Allen sees a big problem.

"What is so important about this particular number, 1.5, is that once we hit this figure we are basically staring down the barrel of no return," she said.

Dr Allen said the reason why dropping below a birth rate of 1.5 would make it so hard to come back up again was that having so few new babies coming through hampers economic growth, which in turn leads people to have even fewer babies.


Dr Allen says women are carefully considering how many children they have.

She described a "deep-seated attitudinal problem" facing millions of younger Australians.

Many, the demographer said, lack enthusiasm about the future, and that relates to their views on climate change, housing affordability and gender equality.

"Once we hit ultra-low fertility like say, for example, countries in our region, like South Korea, there is generally no return," Dr Allen said.

"We are not going to see a baby boom of the likes of Australia's post-World War II period because we don't have the necessary ingredients for a baby boom."

Affect on economic activity
Terry Rawnsley is an urban economist at accounting firm KPMG.

He agrees, and describes the fertility rate of 1.5 as a "dramatic number".

"If you look at the international data and you look at countries who have slipped below [a fertility rate of] 1.5 — places like Italy, South Korea, Japan — and in those countries you do start to have this demographic time bomb starting to go off," he said.


Terry Rawnsley says birth rates are an indicator of economic confidence. 

"There's less and less workers being able to generate economic activity, people start to leave the country due to a lack of economic opportunities, and you do start to have a slippery slope towards a declining population.

"So the 1.5 is a place we want to start having some real firm conversations about how we try to turn this number around, because I don't think we want to be pushing much below this in the longer term."

As for solutions to a critically low fertility rate, Mr Rawnsley said Australia had dug itself out of fertility holes before.

"When you look at the drop-off in the number of births, you have to go back to the early 1970s to find a drop of a similar size," he said.

"And that's during a period of very high inflation, an increasing unemployment rate during the 1970s, so there's a bit of a parallel towards that sort of 1970s drop-off and what we're seeing 50 years later."

Why women are choosing not to have babies

For decades, women in Australia have been told they should have more children for the good of the country, but  there's many reasons why more are choosing to stay child free.

Dr Allen pointed the finger squarely at governments, both state and federal.

"Change the language, have leadership that really signals positivity for the future, but at the heart of it, four main areas: housing affordability, economic security, and that really comes down to job security, gender equality and climate change," she said.

"Invest in those four policies."

Official figures show the median birth age of mothers has also now risen to 32.

Well if you cant afford to have children, then don't have them.   :(

whiteknight wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 7:01am:

17 Oct 2024 ABC News In short: Australia's birth rate of 1.50 represents an all-time low.

Is it any wonder that successive Australian governments are leveraging Australia's popularity to attract immigrants?

To comfortably sustain our standard of living, Australia's birthrate needs to be at least 2.1.

Childcare is $100 per day -

people can't afford $500 per week just for one kid.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 7:58am:

Childcare is $100 per day - people can't afford $500 per week just for one kid.

So...

Immigration: the only salvation, then!

It's all the fault of these frequent 'headaches'.

Rock bottom was Grappler's date of birth.

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 8:41am:

It's all the fault of these frequent 'headaches'.

That, and so many Zoomers being terrified at the sight of their own genitals. (let alone other people's) - some even opting to have them cut off or stitched up...

Thank god for most Asian (apart from the Chinese) and African immigrants who at least haven't lost interest in having productive sex!

Capitalism will rescue the world from human self-extermination.

When the returns are attractive, capitalists will invent gestation tanks and robotic care-givers, baby sitters, and teachers.

... or even male birth.

Women are damned if they procreate and damned if they don't.

whiteknight wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 7:03am:

Well if you cant afford to have children, then don't have them.   :(

Tell it to Indians and Nigerians

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/World-Population-2100_SHARE.jpg

tallowood wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 10:04am:

Tell it to Indians and Nigerians

they can't afford contraception and are often uneducated about birth control

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 10:36am:

tallowood wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:04am: Tell it to Indians and Nigerians they can't afford contraception and are often uneducated about birth control

Quote:

As per the report students in West Bengal's Durgapur have been buying condoms; but not for use as a contraceptive. And are instead using it as an intoxication! Read more at: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/93109610.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 10:36am:

tallowood wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:04am: Tell it to Indians and Nigerians they can't afford contraception and are often uneducated about birth control

They are idiots.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 11:17am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:36am: tallowood wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:04am: Tell it to Indians and Nigerians they can't afford contraception and are often uneducated about birth control They are idiots.

Australia is not short of idiots at all levels of politics, society, and business.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjJ4HtJYMPo

Woke Cambridge students attempt to cancel screening of film exploring worldwide declining birthrates.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 11:29am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:17am: John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:36am: tallowood wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:04am: Tell it to Indians and Nigerians they can't afford contraception and are often uneducated about birth control They are idiots. Australia is not short of idiots at all levels of politics, society, and business.

Only animals and retarded idiots don't know that if you put it in you make babies.   ::)

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 11:56am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:29am: Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:17am: John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:36am: tallowood wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:04am: Tell it to Indians and Nigerians they can't afford contraception and are often uneducated about birth control They are idiots. Australia is not short of idiots at all levels of politics, society, and business. Only animals and retarded idiots don't know that if you put it in you make babies.   ::)

It is a little more complex Bobby.

It might be time to give Labor the arse at next year's Federal election. I specifically remember Albanese saying in his electoral campaign that his Labor party was scrapping the regional development funding plan, in favour of renewing manufacturing jobs in metropolitan areas. I was surprised how well his scam artistry worked on the voters.

The only hold out states that voted Liberal National or Liberal Party overwhelmingly were rural and regional Qld, Western Australia, and South Australia. Rural and regional Victoria and (Western) Tasmania also voted against Albanese.

Scott Morrison, as much as I don't like the guy, won the first preference vote by about 450,000. He lost the Federal election in third party polling. Many city folk voted for the woke nonsense that Albanese spouted.

Given the fact that at least 75% of Australia's population live in metropolitan cities around Australia, it is a surprise that the Liberals and the Liberal National Party members did so well in a loss. However, with Albanese's Voice to Free Rides pitch meeting, during a time of what was an economic boom in Australia, Australia could afford having such an unnecessary referendum.

Much of the state election results in each electorate mirrored the results of the 2022 Federal election results in each electorate, for the Voice to Parliament. My electorate voted overwhelmingly 80% "No", that our electorate was near the top of the "No" vote results. Most indigenous residents of Rockhampton voted "No" as well.

Rockhampton has an indigenous population of about 7000 people (out of the 88,000 residents that were living in town here in the year 2022). They know the type of poo that would have befallen them, had that 61:39 result for the VtP been 49:51 in favour of implementing that bullshit racial favouritism. They would have been banned from pubs, clubs, sporting socials, and night spots the moment Albanese signed off the Voice to Parliament bill.

I reckon we would have seen Albanese hastily escorted off stage at a press conference, the moment he hypothetically talked about "racist rural and regional people" not understanding how tough it is for "First Nations" people to get jobs and education.

The birth rate in my town, and the region in general, is quite decent. However, these people are having trouble getting jobs down in Brisbane, the Gold Coast and other Labor Party strongholds, due to the employers down there having trouble adjusting to the applicants' interview style of being "old school" and "not ready to live in metropolitan lifestyles". But, the manufacturing industries still employ them in droves.

I know which electorates are the real "racists". They live at least 500km southeast of where I live.

tallowood wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 11:06am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:36am: tallowood wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:04am: Tell it to Indians and Nigerians they can't afford contraception and are often uneducated about birth control Quote: As per the report students in West Bengal's Durgapur have been buying condoms; but not for use as a contraceptive. And are instead using it as an intoxication! Read more at: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/93109610.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

like i said, uneducated :D :D

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 11:17am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:36am: tallowood wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:04am: Tell it to Indians and Nigerians they can't afford contraception and are often uneducated about birth control They are idiots.

no, they're typically smarter than you. They're just uneducated

Laugh till you cry wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 12:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:56am: Laugh till you cry wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:29am: Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:17am: John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:36am: tallowood wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:04am: Tell it to Indians and Nigerians they can't afford contraception and are often uneducated about birth control They are idiots. Australia is not short of idiots at all levels of politics, society, and business. Only animals and retarded idiots don't know that if you put it in you make babies.   ::) It is a little more complex Bobby.

No it's not - it's that simple.

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 12:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:17am: John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:36am: tallowood wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:04am: Tell it to Indians and Nigerians they can't afford contraception and are often uneducated about birth control They are idiots. no, they're typically smarter than you. They're just uneducated

You can't talk about education - you cockwomble -
you left school when you were 15 for being a dunce.    ::)

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 11:56am:

Only animals and retarded idiots don't know that if you put it in you make babies.   ::)

Two of my currently 24 y.o. daughters were the product of the mothers having either marriage break-ups or being single at the time when I was around at their place.

Being 20 years old at the time, I thought I was lucky to have had a couple of women I knew from my time in high school going about flirting with me. Both were at least 5 years older than me. Both earned at least $50,000 a year more than I.

The first one decided to keep me warm in early July, after I passed out from half a bottle of bourbon. The other one kept me safe in November of that same, year. By my 21st birthday, my "borrowed, broken condom" nights of passion ended up costing me $900 in private school fees in the year 2014 for one of them. The second one said that she was not really divorced, and if I tell her husband, I "will be reported for being a rapist".

Two years later, her new husband called me to say that his wife wants another baby, and if he could watch, this time.

In 2003, baby number 3 was born.

It is a little more complex than that, Bobby.

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 12:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:56am: Only animals and retarded idiots don't know that if you put it in you make babies.   ::) Two of my currently 24 y.o. daughters were the product of the mothers having either marriage break-ups or being single at the time when I was around at their place. Being 20 years old at the time, I thought I was lucky to have had a couple of women I knew from my time in high school going about flirting with me. Both were at least 5 years older than me. Both earned at least $50,000 a year more than I. The first one decided to keep me warm in early July, after I passed out from half a bottle of bourbon. The other one kept me safe in November of that same, year. By my 21st birthday, my "borrowed, broken condom" nights of passion ended up costing me $900 in private school fees in the year 2014 for one of them. The second one said that she was not really divorced, and if I tell her husband, I "will be reported for being a rapist". Two years later, her new husband called me to say that his wife wants another baby, and if he could watch, this time. In 2003, baby number 3 was born. It is a little more complex than that, Bobby.

Stop breeding more UnSubRockys.     ::)

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 12:26pm:

You can't talk about education - you cockwomble - you left school when you were 15 for being a dunce.    ::)

My father left school when he was 15 years old. He thought it the best thing for him. He knew enough about the world that he could have wasted 2 more years in high school and not earned enough money to marry my mother.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 12:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:17am: John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:36am: tallowood wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:04am: Tell it to Indians and Nigerians they can't afford contraception and are often uneducated about birth control They are idiots. no, they're typically smarter than you. They're just uneducated You can't talk about education - you cockwomble - you left school when you were 15 for being a dunce.    ::)

and that's why you'll forever be an idiot

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 12:30pm:

Stop breeding more UnSubRockys.     ::)

Stop reading Playgirl magazines, pretending to read up on new colognes, Bobby.

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 12:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:26pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:17am: John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:36am: tallowood wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:04am: Tell it to Indians and Nigerians they can't afford contraception and are often uneducated about birth control They are idiots. no, they're typically smarter than you. They're just uneducated You can't talk about education - you cockwomble - you left school when you were 15 for being a dunce.    ::) and that's why you'll forever be an idiot

IQ said you were kicked out of school for scribbling pictures of cocks
into text books in the library.   ::)


What a dunce.  ::)

https://www.savings.com.au/news/foodbank-hunger-report-2023#:~:text=More%20than%20a%20third%20of,crisis%2C%20a%20new%20report%20found

If you can’t afford food and struggling to find somewhere to live let alone pay for it on top of the rising costs of electricity, petrol, water, registration you can’t afford children.

People are surrendering their pets at record rates because they can’t afford feed and care for them.

Australia has never had so many politicians paid so much but have done so little for this country.

A pox on all of them!

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 12:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:26pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:17am: John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:36am: tallowood wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:04am: Tell it to Indians and Nigerians they can't afford contraception and are often uneducated about birth control They are idiots. no, they're typically smarter than you. They're just uneducated You can't talk about education - you cockwomble - you left school when you were 15 for being a dunce.    ::) and that's why you'll forever be an idiot IQ said you were kicked out of school for scribbling pictures of cocks into text books in the library.   ::) What a dunce.  ::)

IQ also said you were gay.  ;D ;D

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 12:35pm:

IQ said you were kicked out of school for scribbling pictures of cocks into text books in the library.   ::) What a dunce.  ::)

Not really for me to restate what I heard, with second-hand information.

However, is it true that you were willing to pay $5 a page for John's eclecticism artwork?

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:35pm: IQ said you were kicked out of school for scribbling pictures of cocks into text books in the library.   ::) What a dunce.  ::) Not really for me to restate what I heard, with second-hand information. However, is it true that you were willing to pay $5 a page for John's eclecticism artwork?

Very funny - John needs help.

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:35pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:26pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:17am: John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:36am: tallowood wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:04am: Tell it to Indians and Nigerians they can't afford contraception and are often uneducated about birth control They are idiots. no, they're typically smarter than you. They're just uneducated You can't talk about education - you cockwomble - you left school when you were 15 for being a dunce.    ::) and that's why you'll forever be an idiot IQ said you were kicked out of school for scribbling pictures of cocks into text books in the library.   ::) What a dunce.  ::) IQ also said you were gay.  ;D ;D

He did not.

Now - is his story about you true?

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 2:23pm:

He did not.

Absolutely he did

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 2:21pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 2:05pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:35pm: IQ said you were kicked out of school for scribbling pictures of cocks into text books in the library.   ::) What a dunce.  ::) Not really for me to restate what I heard, with second-hand information. However, is it true that you were willing to pay $5 a page for John's eclecticism artwork? Very funny - John needs help.

I doubt it. John can heckle you just fine, without me commenting.

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:35pm: IQ said you were kicked out of school for scribbling pictures of cocks into text books in the library.   ::) What a dunce.  ::) Not really for me to restate what I heard, with second-hand information. However, is it true that you were willing to pay $5 a page for John's eclecticism artwork?

$5 was what I listed them at ... goober offered ten times that for each page :D :D

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 2:23pm: He did not. Absolutely he did

You are just making up stories.

forgiven

namaste

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 3:26pm:

$5 was what I listed them at ... goober offered ten times that for each page :D :D

Why not just draw a moustache and glasses on newspaper picture of Donald Trump? You could have gotten $400 from Bobby.

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 7:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 3:26pm: $5 was what I listed them at ... goober offered ten times that for each page :D :D Why not just draw a moustache and glasses on newspaper picture of Donald Trump? You could have gotten $400 from Bobby.

I would have to throw away my pencil after doing that ... that would be a  waste.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 3:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 2:23pm: He did not. Absolutely he did You are just making up stories. forgiven namaste

Nothing made up about it. Everyone knows you're gay no matter how much you pretend otherwise.

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:28am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 7:06pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 3:26pm: $5 was what I listed them at ... goober offered ten times that for each page :D :D Why not just draw a moustache and glasses on newspaper picture of Donald Trump? You could have gotten $400 from Bobby. I would have to throw away my pencil after doing that ... that would be a  waste.

Use the pencil to affix to the paper. It would drive Bobby nuts. You could probably draw some pectoral and abdominal muscles on Mr Trump's golfing shirt. Alligator in the background. Caption it with: "Trump draining the swamp".

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:29am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 6:35pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 3:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 2:23pm: He did not. Absolutely he did You are just making up stories. forgiven namaste Nothing made up about it. Everyone knows you're gay no matter how much you pretend otherwise.

I have a very strong feeling that "Bobby" is actually a female pretending to be a male and trying to act gay, in order to impress some guy, surreptitiously, whom "Bobby" is dating.

What I mean is that "Bobby" is a female heterosexual. "Jasin" is Bobby's boyfriend. But because "Bobby" is female, 'her' heterosexuality as a female comes off seemingly "gay" to all the members here.

That is the entire reason why I don't question "Bobby" about his/her sexuality... other than what I did in this post. And Bobby has EVERY LEGAL RIGHT to deny being a female or being gay. There is NO law that Bobby has broken. And if Bobby happens to be gay, then that is NONE of our business to question.

Quote:

In short: Australia's birth rate of 1.50 represents an all-time low.

Among the Aboriginal population, in NSW in 2022, the total fertility rate was 2.2 babies per woman. This has been increasing since 2011, when the total fertility rate was 1.7 babies per woman.

Under-reporting or changing patterns of self-identification of Aboriginal status may have had an impact on the reported fertility rate for Aboriginal women over time.

The fertility rate in NSW is 1.5 children per woman because there are a lot of migrant Asian people in Sydney that have either 1 or 0 children per Asian woman. Australian-born ethnic Asian women have 1 or 2 children on average. Given Sydney's ethnic diversity, it is a surprise that the fertility rate is so high.

White Australian-born women in Qld average about 2.4 children each. I often see women in my town having between 3 and 4 children per family. And given the circumstances of the family unit, single mothers are forced to work between 30 and 40 hours a week, to qualify for assistance, if they are still raising children older than 13 years of age.

Australians are losing the ability to procreate.

Australian men believe that oral sex is talking about it.

If you mean South Asian-Australian men, yes, "oral sex" is about talking dirty to those "slutty white women".

Is home delivery milkman disappearance just a coincidence?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q70/923/9eaJ4m.png

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 9:50am:

Australian-born ethnic Asian women have 1 or 2 children on average.

Ethnic Asian women, eh!

Gee, that's a broad brush stroke... including west, east, north, south, and southeast ethnicities - you're likely referring to up to 20 main ethnic groups and nevermind the subgroups!

If by Asian you mean Han Chinese, then, yes... their fertility rate in China is through the floor.

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 9:30am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:29am: Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 6:35pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 3:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 2:23pm: He did not. Absolutely he did You are just making up stories. forgiven namaste Nothing made up about it. Everyone knows you're gay no matter how much you pretend otherwise. I have a very strong feeling that "Bobby" is actually a female pretending to be a male and trying to act gay, in order to impress some guy, surreptitiously, whom "Bobby" is dating. What I mean is that "Bobby" is a female heterosexual. "Jasin" is Bobby's boyfriend. But because "Bobby" is female, 'her' heterosexuality as a female comes off seemingly "gay" to all the members here. That is the entire reason why I don't question "Bobby" about his/her sexuality... other than what I did in this post. And Bobby has EVERY LEGAL RIGHT to deny being a female or being gay. There is NO law that Bobby has broken. And if Bobby happens to be gay, then that is NONE of our business to question.

Poofters like you tend to think of other guys as being like them.    ::)

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 9:30am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:29am: Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 6:35pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 3:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 2:23pm: He did not. Absolutely he did You are just making up stories. forgiven namaste Nothing made up about it. Everyone knows you're gay no matter how much you pretend otherwise. I have a very strong feeling that "Bobby" is actually a female pretending to be a male and trying to act gay, in order to impress some guy, surreptitiously, whom "Bobby" is dating. What I mean is that "Bobby" is a female heterosexual. "Jasin" is Bobby's boyfriend. But because "Bobby" is female, 'her' heterosexuality as a female comes off seemingly "gay" to all the members here. That is the entire reason why I don't question "Bobby" about his/her sexuality... other than what I did in this post. And Bobby has EVERY LEGAL RIGHT to deny being a female or being gay. There is NO law that Bobby has broken. And if Bobby happens to be gay, then that is NONE of our business to question.

No. Bobby is most definitely gay. I would bet money on it.

Smith is gay.

Not that .....      :-[

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 11:08am:

Poofters like you tend to think of other guys as being like them.    ::)

Baseless accusations that you make like that would mean that I am genuinely accurate with my allegation.

I have no way of knowing if you are male or female. You might be a gay male. Or you might be a heterosexual female. I don't know either way.

I will give you an example of what I mean: That birthdate of the "4th of March, 1979" is not my actual birthdate. My birthdate is anywhere from mid-late February to middle-March, 1979. I just use the birthdate of my ex-girlfriend, because she was born within 2 weeks of my actual birthday. If, I decide to change the birthdate to February 13th, 1979, you better believe that I will move to Geelong, Victoria -- where it is a lot safer to live.

"March 4th, 1979" ex-girlfriend might drive all the way over from Lakes Creek and start camping in my Park Avenue address backyard. I don't have enough garden sensor lights to light up my backyard. And I think my ex is on a friendly first name basis with the literal "bitch" next door. I somewhat want to pursue a new relationship with "February 13th, 1979" lady, as it has been over a year (nearly 2 years) of being single.

I can only assume that you called me a "poofter" as a way of scaring me off interacting with "Jasin", in case we get some kind of alliance going over at Political Animal. You are worried that "Jasin" might not be as friendly with you after that.

I'm not homosexual. I happen to be one of the 90% of Australian males aged between 36 and 55 years of age who are heterosexual. You (Bobby) calling me a "poofter" only encourages me to think that I am right about your gender. Even though my theory about your gender might be wrong, there is nothing wrong with you saying that you are a heterosexual. I genuinely believe that part. What I don't believe is YOU being male. I think you only identify as male, but you were born female.

And there is nothing wrong with you doing that.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 11:08am:

Poofters like you tend to think of other guys as being like them

explains why you always, no matter the topic, turn it back to the subject of gays ;D ;D

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 12:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 11:08am: Poofters like you tend to think of other guys as being like them.    ::) Baseless accusations that you make like that would mean that I am genuinely accurate with my allegation. I have no way of knowing if you are male or female. You might be a gay male. Or you might be a heterosexual female. I don't know either way. I will give you an example of what I mean: That birthdate of the "4th of March, 1979" is not my actual birthdate. My birthdate is anywhere from mid-late February to middle-March, 1979. I just use the birthdate of my ex-girlfriend, because she was born within 2 weeks of my actual birthday. If, I decide to change the birthdate to February 13th, 1979, you better believe that I will move to Geelong, Victoria -- where it is a lot safer to live. "March 4th, 1979" ex-girlfriend might drive all the way over from Lakes Creek and start camping in my Park Avenue address backyard. I don't have enough garden sensor lights to light up my backyard. And I think my ex is on a friendly first name basis with the literal "bitch" next door. I somewhat want to pursue a new relationship with "February 13th, 1979" lady, as it has been over a year (nearly 2 years) of being single. I can only assume that you called me a "poofter" as a way of scaring me off interacting with "Jasin", in case we get some kind of alliance going over at Political Animal. You are worried that "Jasin" might not be as friendly with you after that. I'm not homosexual. I happen to be one of the 90% of Australian males aged between 36 and 55 years of age who are heterosexual. You (Bobby) calling me a "poofter" only encourages me to think that I am right about your gender. Even though my theory about your gender might be wrong, there is nothing wrong with you saying that you are a heterosexual. I genuinely believe that part. What I don't believe is YOU being male. I think you only identify as male, but you were born female. And there is nothing wrong with you doing that.

Stop thinking about me - it's creepy.    :-[

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 12:07pm:

No. Bobby is most definitely gay. I would bet money on it.

I would bet $20 that Bobby is a heterosexual female pretending to be male on a discussion forum, for the sake of anonymity.

Bobby, tell us soon.

Are you are heterosexual female pretending to be male?

Or are you a male that comes off seemingly gay?

[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1729112515/53#53 date=1729217756]
Stop thinking about me - it's creepy.    :-[/quote]

That is actually quite reasonable. And I know why Jasin was so annoyed with me recently, when I heckled you some months back. It is the reason why I barely write responses to you.

I won't respond to you, anymore.

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 12:19pm:

[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1729112515/53#53 date=1729217756] Stop thinking about me - it's creepy.    :-[/quote] That is actually quite reasonable. And I know why Jasin was so annoyed with me recently, when I heckled you some months back. It is the reason why I barely write responses to you. I won't respond to you, anymore.

It's OK - just stop thinking about my sexual organs.    :-[

[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1729112515/56#56 date=1729218642]
It's OK - just stop thinking about my sexual organs.    :-[/quote]

The only way that I would be thinking about your sexual organs is if you were actually a female. Trust me, up until a few months ago, I was not thinking about you at all. And then it occurred to me that you were genuinely telling the truth.

Don't be so paranoid about my posts. I have not thought to interact with you for quite a while. It was only because a relative of yours told me about where you once worked that I realised the significance of it all. He told me that I would understand. Nearly 2 weeks ago, I drove to a spot that I had not been around in a long time. When I realised where that road ended, it was then and there that I realised what you and some other poster were talking about.

Small world, Bobby. Your 'brother' said that you owe me. But, I think we can call it even, after all this time.

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 19^th, 2024 at 12:16pm:

[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1729112515/56#56 date=1729218642] It's OK - just stop thinking about my sexual organs.    :-[/quote] The only way that I would be thinking about your sexual organs is if you were actually a female. Trust me, up until a few months ago, I was not thinking about you at all. And then it occurred to me that you were genuinely telling the truth. Don't be so paranoid about my posts. I have not thought to interact with you for quite a while. It was only because a relative of yours told me about where you once worked that I realised the significance of it all. He told me that I would understand. Nearly 2 weeks ago, I drove to a spot that I had not been around in a long time. When I realised where that road ended, it was then and there that I realised what you and some other poster were talking about. Small world, Bobby. Your 'brother' said that you owe me. But, I think we can call it even, after all this time.

What on earth are you rambling on about?     :-/

Bobby. wrote on Oct 19^th, 2024 at 1:31pm:

What on earth are you rambling on about?     :-/

I dunno. Just some weird dream I had when I was 34 years old.

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 12:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:56am: Only animals and retarded idiots don't know that if you put it in you make babies.   ::) Two of my currently 24 y.o. daughters were the product of the mothers having either marriage break-ups or being single at the time when I was around at their place. Being 20 years old at the time, I thought I was lucky to have had a couple of women I knew from my time in high school going about flirting with me. Both were at least 5 years older than me. Both earned at least $50,000 a year more than I. The first one decided to keep me warm in early July, after I passed out from half a bottle of bourbon. The other one kept me safe in November of that same, year. By my 21st birthday, my "borrowed, broken condom" nights of passion ended up costing me $900 in private school fees in the year 2014 for one of them. The second one said that she was not really divorced, and if I tell her husband, I "will be reported for being a rapist". Two years later, her new husband called me to say that his wife wants another baby, and if he could watch, this time. In 2003, baby number 3 was born. It is a little more complex than that, Bobby.

Yeah you certainly did your bit for upping the birthrate.

Responsibly? ... nah just indiscriminately.

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 9:50am:

The fertility rate in NSW is 1.5 children per woman because there are a lot of migrant Asian people in Sydney that have either 1 or 0 children per Asian woman. Australian-born ethnic Asian women have 1 or 2 children on average. Given Sydney's ethnic diversity, it is a surprise that the fertility rate is so high. White Australian-born women in Qld average about 2.4 children each. I often see women in my town having between 3 and 4 children per family. And given the circumstances of the family unit, single mothers are forced to work between 30 and 40 hours a week, to qualify for assistance, if they are still raising children older than 13 years of age.

There are too many single mothers with children to multiple fathers.

The baby bonus has a lot to answer for that.

Gnads wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 9:52am:

Yeah you certainly did your bit for upping the birthrate. Responsibly? ... nah just indiscriminately.

You can say that for one of them. But I was 19. I thought the "school counsellor" was quite pretty. Being only 2 years out of high school, and 3 years since I saw that guidance counsellor, I figured that half a bottle of bourbon and then a sleep off in the "den" of that former high school's counsellor's household.

Can I be any more concise? I think I will allow you to speculate what happened that night. Because I don't want my computer hacked again to find out the name of the person who showed me how to make a strong bourbon with a secret ingredient.

So, I slept it off in the "den", which looked a lot like a spare bedroom. But, 0.15 BAC or whatever it was for two drinks... I started seeing "blue". And later, I was shown a video of myself in a compromising position with this young lady that looked a lot like a student teacher I knew from "when I was 16 years old" (according to her lawyer).

...yeah, well. Blackmail being blackmail... her male was out blackmailing some cleaning lady "out of town for the weekend" (according to my lawyer, who laughed his arse off at me andlateronsaidthatthedrugswereoutofmysystemandIlookedugly and whowasevergoingtobelievethatstory?). And that is when I decided either to walk 10km home in cold weather, 'drunk'... or say hello to her little kitty.

I searched the kitchen for some water to drink (including in the cupboard). But there was no cat food to eat... Ergo, no cat to feed.

And then when she got all literal with me about what she wanted, she chastised me for looking for water in the cupboard. Then she poured me a glass of 'water'. She drank the water to get me to trust her. So, I drank that water to quench my thirst.

10 minutes later, I am falling asleep in that "den".

Long story short... I should chosen "Sgt Trampoline" or some name more appropriate. But, I decided to stick with my current username, given that my (then in the year 2012) 11-year-old's fascination with my heavy metal CD collection had her sign me up to this debate site.

The other daughter's conception? Broken condom. The girls know each other, and think that it is cool to be "nearly same age sisters at the same school graduation". I did not even know about her until I signed up for the army, but did not get to go to East Timor, for some reason.

"Psychologically impaired" or whatever it was on my dismissal letter. After all that, it took me some convincing to see the real seriousness of adulthood. Ever since 1990, I have never gone more than 3 years sober. I went more than 2 years sober in recent years. But I don't mind having 1 bottle every 10 weeks.

Gnads wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 9:58am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 9:50am: The fertility rate in NSW is 1.5 children per woman because there are a lot of migrant Asian people in Sydney that have either 1 or 0 children per Asian woman. Australian-born ethnic Asian women have 1 or 2 children on average. Given Sydney's ethnic diversity, it is a surprise that the fertility rate is so high. White Australian-born women in Qld average about 2.4 children each. I often see women in my town having between 3 and 4 children per family. And given the circumstances of the family unit, single mothers are forced to work between 30 and 40 hours a week, to qualify for assistance, if they are still raising children older than 13 years of age. There are too many single mothers with children to multiple fathers. The baby bonus has a lot to answer for that.

Gnads... I wish I knew about the "baby bonus" in the year 2000. But, back then, school fees at private schools were not too expensive. And being non-custodial, I have no reason to complain.

Here is a joke for you:

How many butch lesbian ambulance officers does it take to threaten to kill an Uber delivery driver?

1... but even 'he' thinks that I have a good argument.

30% of Australia's population is foreign born. Aren't first generation Australians NOTORIOUS for having a lot of kids?

I say we kick them out and get some proper breeders, for instance Somalis.

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 10:30pm:

Here is a joke for you: How many butch lesbian ambulance officers does it take to threaten to kill an Uber delivery driver? 1... but even 'he' thinks that I have a good argument.

That's a really crap joke.

1. I don't get it.
2. It's too long
3. It seems to be homophobic ... but again, I don't get it.

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 10:26pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 20th, 2024 at 9:58am: UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 9:50am: The fertility rate in NSW is 1.5 children per woman because there are a lot of migrant Asian people in Sydney that have either 1 or 0 children per Asian woman. Australian-born ethnic Asian women have 1 or 2 children on average. Given Sydney's ethnic diversity, it is a surprise that the fertility rate is so high. White Australian-born women in Qld average about 2.4 children each. I often see women in my town having between 3 and 4 children per family. And given the circumstances of the family unit, single mothers are forced to work between 30 and 40 hours a week, to qualify for assistance, if they are still raising children older than 13 years of age. There are too many single mothers with children to multiple fathers. The baby bonus has a lot to answer for that. Gnads... I wish I knew about the "baby bonus" in the year 2000. But, back then, school fees at private schools were not too expensive. And being non-custodial, I have no reason to complain.

A good PUBLIC school is still the best option. But you need to think ahead, and buy/rent in a good suburb.

Aurora Complexus wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 1:11am:

30% of Australia's population is foreign born. Aren't first generation Australians NOTORIOUS for having a lot of kids? I say we kick them out and get some proper breeders, for instance Somalis.

As long as they live next door to you as a police informant, I would be okay with that.

I went camping with some Lebanese people, once. They said that we white guys all look the same. I said the same about them.

Oh, it got very real, and I did not know why

Thank you for reminding me.

Aurora Complexus wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 1:35am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 20th, 2024 at 10:26pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 20th, 2024 at 9:58am: UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 9:50am: The fertility rate in NSW is 1.5 children per woman because there are a lot of migrant Asian people in Sydney that have either 1 or 0 children per Asian woman. Australian-born ethnic Asian women have 1 or 2 children on average. Given Sydney's ethnic diversity, it is a surprise that the fertility rate is so high. White Australian-born women in Qld average about 2.4 children each. I often see women in my town having between 3 and 4 children per family. And given the circumstances of the family unit, single mothers are forced to work between 30 and 40 hours a week, to qualify for assistance, if they are still raising children older than 13 years of age. There are too many single mothers with children to multiple fathers. The baby bonus has a lot to answer for that. Gnads... I wish I knew about the "baby bonus" in the year 2000. But, back then, school fees at private schools were not too expensive. And being non-custodial, I have no reason to complain. A good PUBLIC school is still the best option. But you need to think ahead, and buy/rent in a good suburb.

....and the horse you rode in upon.

Aurora Complexus wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 1:13am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 20th, 2024 at 10:30pm: Here is a joke for you: How many butch lesbian ambulance officers does it take to threaten to kill an Uber delivery driver? 1... but even 'he' thinks that I have a good argument. That's a really crap joke. 1. I don't get it. 2. It's too long 3. It seems to be homophobic ... but again, I don't get it.

"Aurora"... you are a dimwitted 'boy'.

I will be watching your post count and quality for my own statistical amusement.

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 7:40pm:

Aurora Complexus wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 1:13am: UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 20th, 2024 at 10:30pm: Here is a joke for you: How many butch lesbian ambulance officers does it take to threaten to kill an Uber delivery driver? 1... but even 'he' thinks that I have a good argument. That's a really crap joke. 1. I don't get it. 2. It's too long 3. It seems to be homophobic ... but again, I don't get it. "Aurora"... you are a dimwitted 'boy'. I will be watching your post count and quality for my own statistical amusement.

I think I preferred the old obese alcoholic Unsub that the new one.

whiteknight and the greens should be pleased, they see humans as a virus on the planet

Setanta wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 7:47pm:

I think I preferred the old obese alcoholic Unsub that the new one.

You still have an obese UnSub. I am just getting to be around the upper limits of overweight, now.