... I wish some of those turkeys would lose their far ken voice.... put all their eggs in one basket and then dropped it ... just a lack of understanding - sure was... a total lack of understanding that the fair-minded Australian public would reject both Apartheid and Aboriginal Supremacism ....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/all-their-eggs-in-one-basket-one-year-on-from-the-voice-referendum/ar-AA1sch23?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=cfcdb83b80b24c0da783bb336177e069&ei=15

"One year on from the failed Voice referendum, Minister for Indigenous Australians Malarndirri McCarthy has blamed the result on a lack of understanding.

However, two prominent Indigenous ‘No’ campaigners have told Sky News they believe the whole process was a waste of time.

Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians Jacinta Price said the Albanese government "put all their eggs in one basket" and have done nothing to fix Indigenous disadvantage.

Just saw St Calma doing his dogma bit on ABC.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz .... the same old one way 'truth-telling', references to atrocities all one way (forget the butchered women and kids etc), claiming the support of the dildo groups (not even real pricks) who are 'door-knocking' and such (nothing better to do), claiming support all over the place....  enough to put you to sleep.

Wilkie puts in his two cents:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/indigenous-issues-avoided-after-voice-referendum-defeat-mp-says/ar-AA1sdps8?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=740cbeb51fac48deed1e0a66f21250e0&ei=7

"The federal government has been avoiding taking action on Indigenous issues since the Voice to parliament referendum was defeated, independent MP Andrew Wilkie has claimed.

In a statement published today, a year after 60 per cent of Australians voted against the constitutional amendment, the long-serving MP accused the government of not doing enough to address the issues facing First Nations peoples.

"It's been one year since the unsuccessful Voice referendum and the federal government still seems to be avoiding Indigenous issues," Wilkie said.

"Indeed, according to the latest Productivity Commission report, only five of the 19 Closing the Gap targets are on track and some are even going backwards."

Both Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Opposition Leader Peter Dutton committed to improving the lives of Indigenous people after last year's October 14 referendum was defeated.

"A great nation like ours can and must do better for the first Australians," Albanese said.

"And while there has been talk in recent times about division, let us now cooperate to address the real division."

What think ye on the Gaps, my fine feathered friends?

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Still crying over the lost voice

You most certainly are

Gotta watch those treacherous politicians and their Voice by Stealth using the states as their stalking horses.... the next incoming governments and the people will be best served by instantly abolishing all such moves, and moving on quickly while the press raves and rants and then moves on ... just like Israel would have been better served on the world stage by demolishing Gaza in two weeks and moving on.

The press and that idiot in the UN would have long moved on by now - and fewer Israelis would have been killed and injured.  Give 'em one week to vacate the rump still 'held' by Ham-ass, be searched and validated for removal to a safe area - then bomb it flat and turn it into a parking lot.... a Street Without Goy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q

I'll attempt a good faith response, and we'll see how it goes.

^{(Again, I'm willing to edit out the 'good faith' if you can provide me with an alternative that you don't find 'abusive')}

Let's just start with a reminder of terms.  The Voice, despite what some people would claim, was not a generic term given to the attempt to install Aboriginal Supremacism.

The proposal was clear: an advisory body aimed at giving Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples a formal role in influencing policy and legislation affecting their communities in Australia.

It sought to create a constitutionally enshrined, permanent mechanism through which Indigenous peoples could offer their views and advice to the federal government, particularly on matters related to Indigenous affairs. That was the essence of it.

Yet, many opponents within Parliamen, the wider public and even this forum, claimed their objection wasn't to improve the lives of Indigenous Australians, but to the method: enshrining such a body in the Constitution.

Some, like Dutton, offered alternative promises, such as a second referendum on "regional voices" and the symbolic recognition of First Australians, should the Voice referendum fail. Predictably, once the referendum was defeated, these promises evaporated.

It was nothing but a deceitful tactic designed to placate those with reservations about constitutional change, assuring them that a "No" vote wouldn't mark the end of efforts to amplify Indigenous voices. But that promise was nothing more than a strategic lie.

Then there were those who opposed the Voice under the absurd belief that it would strip them of their rights and transfer them to Indigenous Australians, a ridiculous notion that defies logic, yet one that managed to gain traction.

Others exploited the debate to disguise their own white supremacist views, using the Voice referendum as a pretext for airing racially motivated arguments. Once the referendum concluded and the Voice was defeated, they were left scrambling to maintain that veneer of "genuine debate."

They now perpetuate the baseless narrative of an ongoing "Voice by stealth," desperate to resurrect the shield that masked their prejudice.

Turning to Grappler's point: since the referendum’s failure, there have been attempts to frame any legislative effort to help Indigenous Australians as the so-called "Voice by stealth."

Grappler, I pose this question to you: if Labor were indeed failing to listen to Indigenous voices, would you support legislative or policy changes if they were guided by Indigenous perspectives now?

Or would you continue to dismiss these efforts as just another manifestation of the Voice you opposed?

What exactly do you stand for - helping Indigenous communities or just opposing the mechanisms by which they might be heard?

give it a rest skippy.

the voice would have been a way of providing a bunch of ueseless beareaucratic scandinavian looking 'aboriginals" with a teaspoon of aboriginal blood, the opportunity to earn a high 6 figure income for doing abso-fing-lutely nothing constructive.

anyone who has ever been to a remote community knows that the bigger the bearaucracy , the bigger the problem.

just let them be and nurture those you interact with.

and if, like 99 % of urban dwellers , you have no intention of ever interacting except as a part of the chattering classes, then the best thing to do is to STFU


look at all these fwits on their 'sorry  march'

i bet 99 % of them went for a latte and an avacado on toast afterwards and have never left sydney except to go skiing in NZ or drinking in bali  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

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aquascoot wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:28pm:

give it a rest skippy. ... the best thing to do is to STFU look at all these fwits on their 'sorry  march' i bet 99 % of them went for a latte and an avacado on toast afterwards and have never left sydney except to go skiing in NZ or drinking in bali  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

I understand that my response may not have directly addressed you Scoot, but it's worth noting that this type of reaction often arises when we attempt to engage in good faith discussions within this sub forum.

Let’s see if Grappler can provide a more constructive perspective this time.

Still at it Kanga - twisting everything around and then doing it again.

Think back on your last two posts and correct your errors in thinking and posting.

Start off by not even mentioning 'good faith' - and then start on leaving out the personal stuff.... state your position ON THE ISSUE calmly and clearly.... stop stirring the pot while pretending to be fair and reasonable and being victimised.

In the next set of elections I will either be standing or be an advisor - non-party - and my advice is to simply and calmly state your position on any issue and do not engage in unwarranted argument with fools who set out to antagonise you.  FYI - I'm training you ...

Indeed - the YES people of all kinds are still whining and weeping over their lost cause.... others are just correcting their views and their behaviour that goes on and on like the children they are....

In the Austreich we take our grammar very seriously.... is it the 'others' with 'they are' - or those who act like children whining about not getting their lollies?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 5:47pm:

Still at it Kanga - twisting everything around and then doing it again. Think back on your last two posts and correct your errors in thinking and posting. Start off by not even mentioning 'good faith' - and then start on leaving out the personal stuff.... state your position ON THE ISSUE calmly and clearly.... stop stirring the pot while pretending to be fair and reasonable and being victimised. In the next set of elections I will either be standing or be an advisor - non-party - and my advice is to simply and calmly state your position on any issue and do not engage in unwarranted argument with fools who set out to antagonise you.  FYI - I'm training you ... Indeed - the YES people of all kinds are still whining and weeping over their lost cause.... others are just correcting their views and their behaviour that goes on and on like the children they are.... In the Austreich we take our grammar very seriously.... is it the 'others' with 'they are' - or those who act like children whining about not getting their lollies?

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Still at it Kanga

Kanga has made 2 posts on the voice topics in the last few days. You created 2 topics on the subject and made about 10 posts. You are manic on the topic.

You got bored with the cronulla riots (Lebanese) revisited and now want to revisit the Voice (Aboriginals) and a bit tired of the no truth about Trans
(Transexuals). there does seem to be a trend ? At least it is consistent you are against all of them.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:34pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:47pm: Still at it Kanga - twisting everything around and then doing it again. Think back on your last two posts and correct your errors in thinking and posting. Start off by not even mentioning 'good faith' - and then start on leaving out the personal stuff.... state your position ON THE ISSUE calmly and clearly.... stop stirring the pot while pretending to be fair and reasonable and being victimised. In the next set of elections I will either be standing or be an advisor - non-party - and my advice is to simply and calmly state your position on any issue and do not engage in unwarranted argument with fools who set out to antagonise you.  FYI - I'm training you ... Indeed - the YES people of all kinds are still whining and weeping over their lost cause.... others are just correcting their views and their behaviour that goes on and on like the children they are.... In the Austreich we take our grammar very seriously.... is it the 'others' with 'they are' - or those who act like children whining about not getting their lollies? Quote: Still at it Kanga Kanga has made 2 posts on the voice topics in the last few days. You created 2 topics on the subject and made about 10 posts. You are manic on the topic. You got bored with the cronulla riots (Lebanese) revisited and now want to revisit the Voice (Aboriginals) and a bit tired of the no truth about Trans (Transexuals). there does seem to be a trend ? At least it is consistent you are against all of them.

OH?  Then how come so many of my posts are responses to his assertions?

Read through again - you are correct - he rarely addresses the issues - always the man - but I'm training him.

Do yourself two favours, Jimbo -

1.  See that I have posted news links about the attempted resurgence of the voice - which all indicate the surge is coming from the crying YES camp - and have then only responded to comments from others.  This is like that idiot Leftie - experts at breaking down discussion and ranting.

2.  Have a look at Skanka's profile and last few posts before you come in with a silly comment... he's been doing the same thing post after post - just can't help self in starting off with insult and slight of others... just like Leftie...... and who is this 'WE' that he let out of the bag?

Let me help you there with your 'two' posts'... if you could go ten to 25 you would find many more - get with it, lad:-

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=usersrecentposts;username=sadkangaroo


See how they run like pigs from a gun....

The biggest problem Crew Skanka have is that they are paid schills of the Labor Party - paid to try to perpetuate the myth that 'the voice' was  - dearie me - ONLY a simple advisory body .... something denied in page after page of the Hidden  Twenty-Six.  They wanted POWER and CONTROL!

On top of that - as a clear example - we've seen how 'mission' and 'interpretation' CREEP has created of 'native title' rights - to shared usage and traditional wandering and camping - absolute freehold title to vast swathes of land on demand for zero payment while everyone else struggles to find a rental and lives more and more in Tent City.  An absolute recipe for division, Apartheid, social disaster and future Civil War.

THAT is 'mission and interpretation creep' brought about by having too much power - bordering on absolute since few have the funds to contest it in court (lawfare at its worst and lowest) - in the hands of faceless bureaucrats put in place out of the Old Mates' Club via appointment and not promotion into the top spots in the public service....... contracted 'employees' who are 'chosen' for their adherence to 'the narrative' and 'the agenda' already - and who then obey without question the dictates of their 'political masters' to impose that narrative and agenda upon the people.

You see the utter disaster looming for Queensland due to this imposition by public servant appointed, in the pushing forward of massive 'freehold' giftings to small and non-contiguous groups of 'Aborigines' or 'Aboriginal Claimants' .... something any future government will have a very hard time unraveling to restore reason and fairness, equality, equal rights, and equal dealing under law.  DIVISION, Apartheid, special rights ....and undeniably so.

How then guarantee that Mission Creep will NOT take place with any 'voice'?  One thing is guaranteed - it WILL take place over and over until the original concept is unrecognisable.

The best solution for Queenslanders is to secede and form new states of their own and make those decisions for themselves, and not leave them to the Kommissars in Brisdrain - those eddicated in the social science fantasies and steeped in the modern political and social Madness.  Aborasia will have to move because they can't have the spaceport (Cape Scottaveral) ... over to the West to what is shown as West Malaria looks good for the task.... great place for Gondwanamo (Gon'Mo) Bay... hot, nasty, muddy, air you could put through a water filter to remove the impurities, mangroves, crocodilia, skeeters, and in future wild natives - that'll keep the inmates inside the walls - no walls here, the prison IS the walls- while providing needed income for the Aborasia state......

https://i.imgflip.com/96uisn.jpg

Dnarever wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:34pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:47pm: Still at it Kanga - twisting everything around and then doing it again. Think back on your last two posts and correct your errors in thinking and posting. Start off by not even mentioning 'good faith' - and then start on leaving out the personal stuff.... state your position ON THE ISSUE calmly and clearly.... stop stirring the pot while pretending to be fair and reasonable and being victimised. In the next set of elections I will either be standing or be an advisor - non-party - and my advice is to simply and calmly state your position on any issue and do not engage in unwarranted argument with fools who set out to antagonise you.  FYI - I'm training you ... Indeed - the YES people of all kinds are still whining and weeping over their lost cause.... others are just correcting their views and their behaviour that goes on and on like the children they are.... In the Austreich we take our grammar very seriously.... is it the 'others' with 'they are' - or those who act like children whining about not getting their lollies? Quote: Still at it Kanga Kanga has made 2 posts on the voice topics in the last few days. You created 2 topics on the subject and made about 10 posts. You are manic on the topic. You got bored with the cronulla riots (Lebanese) revisited and now want to revisit the Voice (Aboriginals) and a bit tired of the no truth about Trans (Transexuals). there does seem to be a trend ? At least it is consistent you are against all of them.

good grief

10 posts. ;D ;D

would you describe gwegs 114,000 posts of "child rapist who stole from charity' as manic?
would you describe  sprints 100 new threads on trump, in several of which he posts to himself at 2 in the morning  as manic ?
would describe fisks 1000's of posts ending in WITCH HUNT as manic?

10 posts!!!

will the left ever be able to give up their blatant hypocricy  ::) ::)

What would Blair Cottrell say?


https://www.bitchute.com/video/ChuDnICOdgI9

Such as when is it gunna be enough?
how much money do these people need?
how much blood do these people need?
how much sacrifice on our behalf is gunna be enough for them
for them to finally feel like they're satisfied? -
and the answer is it will never be enough
it's never gunna be enough -
if you support this Voice referendum thing -
that's not gunna be enough -
there's gunna be something after that
and then there's gunna be something after that -
as Joel explained they're gunna be pushing
and pushing and pushing as much as possible
so you have to say no from the beginning - yeah -
you have to say no to everything these people ask for
and everything they demand -
they have no right to demand anything.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 9:30am:

The biggest problem Crew Skanka have is that they are paid schills of the Labor Party - paid to try to perpetuate the myth that 'the voice' was  - dearie me - ONLY a simple advisory body .... something denied in page after page of the Hidden  Twenty-Six.  They wanted POWER and CONTROL

I wish I hadn’t brushed off your little "art project" post the first time around and actually read it...

Am I really to believe that, because we have differing opinions, you genuinely think there’s a Labor-funded conspiracy against you?

All this just because people don’t agree with your baseless interpretation of the Voice and your contradictory arguments?

Do you honestly think you're that significant to garner such a targeted campaign?

I know you thrive on playing the victim, but this is starting to border on delusion.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 5:47pm:

Still at it Kanga - twisting everything around and then doing it again. Think back on your last two posts and correct your errors in thinking and posting.

You're really stretching the notion of "good faith".  How much of these sorts of responses am I expected to endure while you ignore the topic?

^{(Once again, if you truly believe this term is abusive, though, let’s be honest, that would make you more of a snowflake than you accuse me of being, then by all means, suggest an alternative. I’d be happy to edit the posts where I’ve used it, provided the forum allows.)}

Let me remind you that all I’ve done, especially in the "last two posts" you want me to address, is the following:

* Provided an accurate definition of what the Voice proposal was.
* Offered historical context around the vote and its failure to pass.
* Accurately described your tendency to label any policy, assistance, or legislation related to Indigenous Australians as "Lawfare" or "the Voice by stealth."
* Followed up with some questions for you.

That’s it.  I'll repost those questions for you,


ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:19pm:

Grappler, I pose this question to you: if Labor were indeed failing to listen to Indigenous voices, would you support legislative or policy changes if they were guided by Indigenous perspectives now? Or would you continue to dismiss these efforts as just another manifestation of the Voice you opposed? What exactly do you stand for - helping Indigenous communities or just opposing the mechanisms by which they might be heard?

I invite you, again, to address the questions.


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Start off by not even mentioning 'good faith' - and then start on leaving out the personal stuff.... state your position ON THE ISSUE calmly and clearly.... stop stirring the pot while pretending to be fair and reasonable and being victimised.

I am being fair and reasonable here. I’ve laid out my position, backed by the literal definition of what the Voice proposal entailed, and documented your own words and actions regarding this topic.

This naturally led to follow-up questions, which you’ve since ignored. Not only those, but there’s a series of other posts you’re simply leaving on read, refusing to engage with. And don’t project your victimhood onto me. I’m not playing the victim here. I’m not trying to reclassify "good faith" as abuse, nor am I pretending you’re deliberately antagonising me.

I’ve made genuine attempts to move past our history and engage in a discussion with you, as you requested after I said it was impossible.

And I’ve been trying, over and over.

Discussions are a two-way street. When I address the topic, present my opinion, justify it, and then ask you questions to get your thoughts, you’re supposed to engage in that back-and-forth and respond to those questions.

Especially when you’ve demanded the same from me.

So far, you’ve done nothing but prove my initial claim true—that it’s impossible to have a good faith discussion with you.

I’ll say it again: you claim to want a discussion on these topics, but you don’t engage. Maybe a blog is more your style. At least there, you can say whatever you want without having to respond to anyone, and you can even disable the comments if it suits you.


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Indeed - the YES people of all kinds are still whining and weeping over their lost cause.... others are just correcting their views and their behaviour that goes on and on like the children they are.... In the Austreich we take our grammar very seriously.... is it the 'others' with 'they are' - or those who act like children whining about not getting their lollies?

I’ve tried my hardest to give you every chance. I’ve even asked you to clarify what you think my role in this discussion should look like, but when I do, you simply ignore the post. I’ve given you every opportunity to prove me wrong, but it seems you’re utterly incapable of doing so.

You took great offence to me calling you "champ" and "sweetheart," but do you remember that this was in response to you using insulting versions of my forum name and calling me "girlie"?

You’re perfectly fine dishing out insults, but get deeply offended when someone calls you "champ" or accurately points out that you’re not acting in good faith?

At this point, I genuinely have to ask—are you okay?

You keep demanding genuine discussion but seem more interested in gotcha moments, insults, and belittling those who disagree with you, even when they try to engage with you on the topic at hand. When they respond in kind, you crumble, feigning victimhood because someone you called “skanka” called you “champ”?

I’ve had to manage Gen Z kids who take mental health days because the lift is broken or tried to claim maternity leave for getting a new dog, who even brought their mum not only to the waiting room but into their job interview, and they act less like whiny victims than you do.

Prove me wrong.

Trouble is you are simply wrong about the voice and what it intended, and now are choosing to ignore the voice by stealth.

Your little group (Pommy backpackers like Mothra, half-indoctrinated already and employed as casuals)  must be the only ones in Australia who think they imagine the voice was only an advisory thing; it's own words say they wanted power or it's useless and they want control over land, water and resources. 

That may not mean much to you but it sure means a lot to any country - this control over the basics of any nation - it's land, water and resources.  They are not going to get it, Civil War from Albo or not, and this can never end well.

If you choose not to see that these incremental handovers by the states, under the clear guidance of of 'The Narrative Agenda' that was so apparent during the voice campaign, are being forced on a public that voted against those very things, based on the FULL document - that is your problem.

Clearly you don't read the comments on EVERY news article that discussed this anniversary of the failure - or again - you deliberately choose to pretend they don't exist.  FYI - 99.9% of comments show awareness of the Voice By Stealth through the states, and rising anger over that crass betrayal of democratic trust.

Affiliations/comparison with Labor of your group ..... Labor quite calculatedly has its head in the sand over the 'transgender cult' set of issues - and refuses to engage in those in any meaningful way despite massive pressure from within and from overseas for, at the very least a total moratorium on children/minors and a full and absolute and totally open review of all the issues.

Parents are screaming loudly to be heard - to have a 'voice'; medical health professionals are screaming to be heard..... Labor just puts its head in the sand and pretends none of this is going on while continuing to fund atrocities against children.

Just like the Voice By Stealth so obvious to Australians, this tacit support of this transgender madness and all it entails for minors now and later in life, Labor apparently thinks nobody notices as long as they don't - same as Albo time after time refused to notice the Twenty Six Pages, and like your lot, continued to hold up a smarmy single page and say that was all it was!

Then there is the looming immigration mix and quantity disaster and Labor's lies over that; the rise and rise of the Kommissars of the public service all bought and paid for by the government; the blatant pay-offs to old mates with fine 'jobs' like governor-general; the endless threats to democracy of the people from imposition like they are some kind of feudal lord with a divine right to do so - and so on and so on.

Even you are not that blind other than by choice.  Throw away that bleach bottle - whatever Labor is paying you to push this garbage - it can never be worth your soul.

Just one more word....

You DO understand trust, don't you?  Following the Voice By Stealth betrayal - NOBODY will ever trust Labor again.  Then add in their lies about immigration and a few other things, and their stupid handling of others.

Once trust has been broken - you can never get it back.

And you know what I can never forgive Labor for, on top of its now decades of betrayal of its own?  Driving me towards the even worse parties of 'the right' here as my only real option.

I'll again be voting Independent - if I'm not actually standing as one, in which case I'll vote for me.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 2:09pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 9:30am: The biggest problem Crew Skanka have is that they are paid schills of the Labor Party - paid to try to perpetuate the myth that 'the voice' was  - dearie me - ONLY a simple advisory body .... something denied in page after page of the Hidden  Twenty-Six.  They wanted POWER and CONTROL I wish I hadn’t brushed off your little "art project" post the first time around and actually read it... Am I really to believe that, because we have differing opinions, you genuinely think there’s a Labor-funded conspiracy against you? All this just because people don’t agree with your baseless interpretation of the Voice and your contradictory arguments? Do you honestly think you're that significant to garner such a targeted campaign? I know you thrive on playing the victim, but this is starting to border on delusion.

are you accusing grappler of being palestinian ?

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 3:42pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:09pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 9:30am: The biggest problem Crew Skanka have is that they are paid schills of the Labor Party - paid to try to perpetuate the myth that 'the voice' was  - dearie me - ONLY a simple advisory body .... something denied in page after page of the Hidden  Twenty-Six.  They wanted POWER and CONTROL I wish I hadn’t brushed off your little "art project" post the first time around and actually read it... Am I really to believe that, because we have differing opinions, you genuinely think there’s a Labor-funded conspiracy against you? All this just because people don’t agree with your baseless interpretation of the Voice and your contradictory arguments? Do you honestly think you're that significant to garner such a targeted campaign? I know you thrive on playing the victim, but this is starting to border on delusion. are you accusing grappler of being palestinian ?

I'm a Quasi or Proto-Israeli, 10% Jewish and seriously considering emigrating to Israel.

One glance at your fantasy - "Labor funded conspiracy against ME?"

Not at all - a TOTAL mindless, one-eyed  push by Labor to over-ride the will of the Australian people, for whom I stand, is what it is.

I have NO 'contradictory' arguments - not one contradiction here in any way - I have contrary arguments to yours.  Your English is deliberately failing you again.

My "baseless" interpretation of the voice?   The one held by 60%+ at voting time and growing as the Voice By Stealth grabs hold and digs deeper in the states with such things as the perversion of 'land rights' into land grabs?

Here's your base AGAIN - the one you choose to administer bleach to your eyes over every time - don't bother arguing over and over with me about it - it's all there - read the bits about how a voice body parked free in salubrious surroundings inside our representative house as a separate but equal body (segregation by THEIR demand) is useless without REAL power, and how there is no value unless the Aborigines have control over land water and resources - not a voice in their use - but control over:-

https://www.skynews.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Document-14-1.pdf

Are you really that lost over this set of issues grinding slowly towards Civil War here?  This loathsome beast slouching towards Armageddon while Albo fiddles his absent-minded tune?

No wonder I feel like Churchill sometimes - a voice crying in the wilderness.

And stop repeating your silly attempt at a line about 'playing the victim' - you picked that stupidity up from smith and mothra who were trying to turn the tables over my calling out Aboriginal victimhood industry - you won't get anywhere with that kind of silly attempt at a put-down, same as the rest of your silly post -I am the one voice standing tall and calling it as it is...

YOU could always take a step back and take a good look at the utter bs you post about me personally before crying over your treatment.

At least you admit you don't read things - at last you admit you don't read things.

And yet you feel qualified to respond with your usual nonsense and personal garbage?  It's not working, sock.

The Voice is dead - the Zombie Voice By Stealth will not pass... it will be cast down in its turn, bit by bit as it was pushed through behind the people's backs.

**coughs** clearly this gives rise to concerns about your mental state..... holding the dead voice up like a hand puppet and pretending to speak for it.... amazing delusion.

The core issue with your argument is a fundamental misunderstanding, or deliberate misrepresentation, of what The Voice actually was. These incremental improvement to Indigenous peoples lives you obsess over were not The Voice itself.

At most, they represented potential policy guidance that the Voice might have offered the government, but they were never the Voice in and of itself, nor were they guaranteed, even if The Voice had passed.

Ultimately, power would have remained with the government of the day. But your insistence on conflating these possibilities with “The Voice” serves a more insidious purpose. It’s a calculated move to distort the narrative, and it reveals just how deeply entrenched you are in a culture of victimhood, victimhood you wield as a bludgeon to advance your agenda.

The referendum results were clear: the nation rejected a constitutionally enshrined advisory body to Parliament. Yet, in your rhetoric, you invoke “The Voice” every time any initiative arises that benefits Indigenous Australians, labelling it “The Voice by stealth” or invoking the spectre of “lawfare.” This allows you to recast yourself as a victim of supposedly undemocratic policies, policies that you claim are contrary to the will of the people.

But here’s the truth: we didn’t vote on the specific policies or outcomes that might have followed from The Voice. We voted on the mechanism itself, the creation and constitutional protection of an advisory body. By labelling every positive development for Indigenous people as a step toward The Voice, you are engaging in intellectual dishonesty of the highest order.

Your approach is entirely backwards, and I suspect you’re well aware of it. The only reason you persist in this misrepresentation is to keep the debate alive, to shield your underlying racism, and to villainise Indigenous Australians by implying that any advancement they receive is an affront to the democratic will.

If you were genuine in your critique, if you voiced your displeasure at Indigenous progress without erroneously tying it to The Voice, you might not face the backlash you do now.

Of course, your complaints would still draw criticism, but then it would be clear: your real grievance isn’t about The Voice; it’s about Indigenous progress itself.

At least then you’d have the decency to be honest.

No misunderstanding - it's all there in black and white - and that doesn't even allow for the inevitable 'mission creep' and 'interpretation creep'.

You're dreaming.

The INFORMED public did vote on all the contents of the statement - and that is why they are now angry over being betrayed.

Your view will be shown for what it is at the coming elections.  The people spoke - they expect to be obeyed, not betrayed, and nothing you say can alter that.

FYI - I pointed out during the campaign that Albo was desperately clinging to his lie of just a simple thing, a little advisory board - so that WHEN it failed - he could say exactly what you are trying to say now - that we, the people, did not vote on those things, and government(s) could just go ahead with them.

Well - we, the people DID vote on those things, and we expect to be obeyed.

Clearly someone is paying you to try to perpetuate the failed lies.... you can't be that stupid and out of touch.

Start of the list to take back to your party handlers from your failed attempt to force the voice on us by any means:-

Cancel any 'treaty' negotiations - a nation cannot contract treaty with its own people; a State within a nation cannot negotiate a treaty, but can only come to reversible agreements; a treaty automatically creates of those treated with non-citizens; outlanders in their own country and without citizenship rights here.

Stop the absurd freehold handovers of massive territories to groups non-contiguous who make claims - revert any such requests to 'native title'.  No public land or national park is 'unused' - it is IN use as public land or national park.  A government may not create separate laws along lines of race or ethnicity; law demands that all receive equal treatment.  I've already offered the idea that an Aboriginal family may receive a block of land - make of it what they will as a once only end to it all, but handing out huge swathes of land in the best spots as freehold is not in accord with any law of this land - and never can be.  Such things, if permitted, will be reversed by a future government.

Get some bloody sense about you and start finding some real ways to resolve Aboriginal issues - starting with auditing expenditure and seeing where the money is going; then finding better ways than handing out fistfuls of dollars to 'the head men' - who, on record, almost universally use it for self etc first.  Like the white assholes managing 'developments', money needs to be kept on a tight leash and controlled so that those getting it into their hands don't simply use it to become instant millionaires without effort.

Run a full and proper audit on violence, home/family violence, neglect, abuse, school absenteeism, and on why parents and elders are not containing the crime epidemic.

You wanna change the face of Australia?

PUT IT TO THE PEOPLE FIRST, YOU DISRESPECTFUL ASSHOLES!  WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 8:16pm:

No misunderstanding

I know there is no misunderstanding, you're deliberately trying to redefine what it was to suit your agenda, you even admitted as much previously.

Just because you admit to your dishonest tactics doesn't make them acceptable.

It's not even up for debate.

The Voice was merely an advisory body to Parliament, nothing more.

You're conflating any positive initiative for Indigenous people with "The Voice," twisting it to fit whatever disingenuous argument you’re trying to peddle.

You've been using it as a catch-all term to suit your narrative, wilfully ignoring reality.

Until you muster the integrity to be honest or even remotely grasp what The Voice proposal actually was, you'll remain stuck manipulating facts to prop up an argument that, frankly, collapses under the weight of your own deceit.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 9:10pm:

PUT IT TO THE PEOPLE FIRST, YOU DISRESPECTFUL ASSHOLES!  WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?

This is precisely my point.

You're desperately trying to frame any initiative that helps Indigenous Australians after the referendum as "The Voice", even if they have nothing to do with an advisory body to parliament, just so you can attempt to block any progress that might actually benefit them.

You're clinging to this victim complex, spinning some baseless conspiracy that democracy is under threat, all because you can’t stomach anything involving Indigenous Australians. You keep slapping the label "The Voice" on anything you dislike, showing just how disingenuous your argument is.

Then, without a shred of self-awareness, you whine that Labor won’t listen to Indigenous voices—the very voices you relentlessly oppose at every turn.

Your motives are as painfully transparent as your desperate attempt to cast yourself as the victim here.

It’s beyond pathetic.

You cannot 'help' Aboriginals by spiting everyone else... simple.

It's beyond pathetic.

What would Blair Cottrell say?


https://www.bitchute.com/video/ChuDnICOdgI9

Such as when is it gunna be enough?
how much money do these people need?
how much blood do these people need?
how much sacrifice on our behalf is gunna be enough for them
for them to finally feel like they're satisfied? -
and the answer is it will never be enough
it's never gunna be enough -
if you support this Voice referendum thing -
that's not gunna be enough -
there's gunna be something after that
and then there's gunna be something after that -
as Joel explained they're gunna be pushing
and pushing and pushing as much as possible
so you have to say no from the beginning - yeah -
you have to say no to everything these people ask for
and everything they demand -
they have no right to demand anything.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 3:09pm:

Affiliations/comparison with Labor of your group ..... Labor quite calculatedly has its head in the sand over the 'transgender cult' set of issues - and refuses to engage in those in any meaningful way despite massive pressure from within and from overseas for, at the very least a total moratorium on children/minors and a full and absolute and totally open review of all the issues. Parents are screaming loudly to be heard - to have a 'voice'; medical health professionals are screaming to be heard..... Labor just puts its head in the sand and pretends none of this is going on while continuing to fund atrocities against children. Just like the Voice By Stealth so obvious to Australians, this tacit support of this transgender madness and all it entails for minors now and later in life, Labor apparently thinks nobody notices as long as they don't

So you want to have a US-style "transgender debate" so your side can win by brutal "you are what your genitals at birth tell you to be"

No, sorry. We avoided the abortion debates by deeming abortion to be a matter between a woman and her doctor. It's not any of the public's business and nor is gender reassigment.

Be a good Australian, and mind your own bloody business.

No Apartheid
No Land Grabs
No Separate But Equal
No Treaties

One Law For All - All Laws For One - No Special Laws On Land Ownership - No Special Rules On Jurisprudence Based on Race.

Either you are Australian - or you are an Outlander with no rights here....

Your entire position is as pathetic as your disguise....

Bobby. wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 10:24pm:

What would Blair Cottrell say? https://www.bitchute.com/video/ChuDnICOdgI9 Such as when is it gunna be enough? how much money do these people need? how much blood do these people need? how much sacrifice on our behalf is gunna be enough for them for them to finally feel like they're satisfied? - and the answer is it will never be enough it's never gunna be enough - if you support this Voice referendum thing - that's not gunna be enough - there's gunna be something after that and then there's gunna be something after that - as Joel explained they're gunna be pushing and pushing and pushing as much as possible so you have to say no from the beginning - yeah - you have to say no to everything these people ask for and everything they demand - they have no right to demand anything.

I see. So if for instance we give in to demands for less immigration, that will "never be enough" and legal immigrants will get deported. Their children, born Australian, will be next. Then the government will come for third generation, and so on.

What your quote propounds is stupid "thin end of the wedge" fearmonging.

Nobody gives a damn about what your third rate blogger says. Speak for yourself (but don't be surprised if nobody gives a damn.)

Aurora Complexus wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 10:42pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 3:09pm: Affiliations/comparison with Labor of your group ..... Labor quite calculatedly has its head in the sand over the 'transgender cult' set of issues - and refuses to engage in those in any meaningful way despite massive pressure from within and from overseas for, at the very least a total moratorium on children/minors and a full and absolute and totally open review of all the issues. Parents are screaming loudly to be heard - to have a 'voice'; medical health professionals are screaming to be heard..... Labor just puts its head in the sand and pretends none of this is going on while continuing to fund atrocities against children. Just like the Voice By Stealth so obvious to Australians, this tacit support of this transgender madness and all it entails for minors now and later in life, Labor apparently thinks nobody notices as long as they don't So you want to have a US-style "transgender debate" so your side can win by brutal "you are what your genitals at birth tell you to be" No, sorry. We avoided the abortion debates by deeming abortion to be a matter between a woman and her doctor. It's not any of the public's business and nor is gender reassigment. Be a good Australian, and mind your own bloody business.

Nature may be harsh - but it is not brutal in adhering to simple reality.  It isn't just 'genitals' you dork - it's every single cell of a body, and you can never change it by wishing.

Gender reassignment for adults is their own business.... not for children and minors who have no way of giving meaningful consent.  Mind YOUR own bloody business - if you want to play tranny - go for it - but you have no right to dictate what others do, especially children who society has a duty to protect.

Who gave you the right to speak for anyone but yourself then, especially confused and mislead children?

So - I take it you don't want to hear from the full reviews happening into this fantasy world?  They're coming whether you want it or not.

Aurora Complexus wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 10:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:24pm: What would Blair Cottrell say? https://www.bitchute.com/video/ChuDnICOdgI9 Such as when is it gunna be enough? how much money do these people need? how much blood do these people need? how much sacrifice on our behalf is gunna be enough for them for them to finally feel like they're satisfied? - and the answer is it will never be enough it's never gunna be enough - if you support this Voice referendum thing - that's not gunna be enough - there's gunna be something after that and then there's gunna be something after that - as Joel explained they're gunna be pushing and pushing and pushing as much as possible so you have to say no from the beginning - yeah - you have to say no to everything these people ask for and everything they demand - they have no right to demand anything. I see. So if for instance we give in to demands for less immigration, that will "never be enough" and legal immigrants will get deported. Their children, born Australian, will be next. Then the government will come for third generation, and so on. What your quote propounds is stupid "thin end of the wedge" fearmonging. Nobody gives a damn about what your third rate blogger says. Speak for yourself (but don't be surprised if nobody gives a damn.)

I disagree with you -

it will never be enough

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 10:51pm:

Aurora Complexus wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:42pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 3:09pm: Affiliations/comparison with Labor of your group ..... Labor quite calculatedly has its head in the sand over the 'transgender cult' set of issues - and refuses to engage in those in any meaningful way despite massive pressure from within and from overseas for, at the very least a total moratorium on children/minors and a full and absolute and totally open review of all the issues. Parents are screaming loudly to be heard - to have a 'voice'; medical health professionals are screaming to be heard..... Labor just puts its head in the sand and pretends none of this is going on while continuing to fund atrocities against children. Just like the Voice By Stealth so obvious to Australians, this tacit support of this transgender madness and all it entails for minors now and later in life, Labor apparently thinks nobody notices as long as they don't So you want to have a US-style "transgender debate" so your side can win by brutal "you are what your genitals at birth tell you to be" No, sorry. We avoided the abortion debates by deeming abortion to be a matter between a woman and her doctor. It's not any of the public's business and nor is gender reassigment. Be a good Australian, and mind your own bloody business. Nature may be harsh - but it is not brutal in adhering to simple reality.  It isn't just 'genitals' you dork - it's every single cell of a body, and you can never change it by wishing.

The cells of someone else's body are none of your business.


Quote:

Gender reassignment for adults is their own business.... not for children and minors who have no way of giving meaningful consent.  Mind YOUR own bloody business - if you want to play tranny - go for it - but you have no right to dictate what others do, especially children who society has a duty to protect.

I agree that society has a duty to protect children. Sometimes this over-rides a parent's duty, BUT you need to be very careful in advocating the state's role.

You seem to be in favor of protecting born gender in every case. Parents don't get a say. Is that correct?


Quote:

Who gave you the right to speak for anyone but yourself then, especially confused and mislead children? So - I take it you don't want to hear from the full reviews happening into this fantasy world?  They're coming whether you want it or not.

I welcome science. I admit in some cases, childhood gender reassignment goes wrong, and even in some cases puberty blockers go wrong.

Are you similarly understanding? Can you admit that most young people who have puberty blockers, later have a good outcome as their preferred gender?

Gender reassignment is controversial. It has some bad outcomes. I actually respect the position that only adults should get it, but on the other hand how many people would die or suffer permanent damage, if we applied your rule of "no medical treatment without adult consent of the recipient"

I cannot help thinking that your objection is not rational, humanitarian or scientific. You just "feel" that it's wrong, isn't that so?

Bobby. wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 11:03pm:

Aurora Complexus wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:24pm: What would Blair Cottrell say? https://www.bitchute.com/video/ChuDnICOdgI9 Such as when is it gunna be enough? how much money do these people need? how much blood do these people need? how much sacrifice on our behalf is gunna be enough for them for them to finally feel like they're satisfied? - and the answer is it will never be enough it's never gunna be enough - if you support this Voice referendum thing - that's not gunna be enough - there's gunna be something after that and then there's gunna be something after that - as Joel explained they're gunna be pushing and pushing and pushing as much as possible so you have to say no from the beginning - yeah - you have to say no to everything these people ask for and everything they demand - they have no right to demand anything. I see. So if for instance we give in to demands for less immigration, that will "never be enough" and legal immigrants will get deported. Their children, born Australian, will be next. Then the government will come for third generation, and so on. What your quote propounds is stupid "thin end of the wedge" fearmonging. Nobody gives a damn about what your third rate blogger says. Speak for yourself (but don't be surprised if nobody gives a damn.) I disagree with you - it will never be enough

I'm a fourth generation Australian, with some ancestry to the convict fleets.

If I told you to bugger off from my country, how would you feel?

You can't be fourth generation and have connections to First Fleet convicts. 

I'm seventh generation and nowhere near any convicts of 1788.... more like one generation pre-1850's.

In Australia we all same-same - citizen is citizen unless demand to be something else .... say claim to be Aboriginal and not Aboriginal Australian and demand treaty etc with Australia, which automatically makes you a separate nationality, and therefore not eligible for any benefits.

Like all things in life - simple really.... either part of the country and its citizen or you are not.... if not pay back dole money.  Foreign student no get free ride... pay full tuition and no student allowance .... no firs' home buyer ... no passpor' ... only visa...  someone say 'Not Australian' must get visa.... much cost...

Better all say ... 'Am Australian and play by same rules or no play at all' ....

Like silly crossgender - once born here can never change DNA of every cell - can only change paperwork.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 9:57pm:

You cannot 'help' Aboriginals by spiting everyone else... simple. It's beyond pathetic.

You're at it again.

You're attempting to conflate any effort to assist Indigenous Australians with the now-defeated Voice, perpetuating division.

The Voice is settled, it’s done.

What exactly did you expect in the aftermath of its rejection? Should every policy concerning Indigenous Australians be scrapped simply because the Voice referendum failed?

You've never discussed any attempts to better Aborigines....

You won't change anything for them by coddling them and licking their nuts over every demand they make.  That's just weakness to them and doesn't alter their underlying real issues, while dividing the country into racial groups = apartheid.

Issues such as quietly perverting Native Title claims into freehold demands was not a policy voted on and the people are saying no.  Fraser Island, you understand?  Or do you actually understand anything?

Meanwhile the REAL problems are not being addressed, while silly Labor antagonises the entire rest of the population with its antics, trying to play it up on the smarmie-barmy stage of the world.  Not one thing has changed for the better despite all this silly stirring up conflicts and divisions.

Most of these petty little things are a grab for power over issues such as resource extraction, which means they are after money, and seeking to impose their stone age religious ideas on all others as if by some right of pas possession through simply wandering around and rarely settling.  Where they DID settle in groups they have possession.

Do grow up.  Persisting with ranting that the voice was only an advisory body will not wash and didn't wash with the Australian public - I don't see why you are wasting my time and yours over nothing real.

The people will tell you, come election time.

I'm not going to over and over this with you.... you have one day to either accept that your view is not that of the majority and will be shown to be, accept that you are never going to change my mind, and just go your own way without your nonsense.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 11:09am:

You've never discussed any attempts to better Aborigines....

It’s disingenuous to imply that your goal is to discuss ways to improve the lives of Indigenous people. You’ve made it abundantly clear that you oppose any form of assistance for them, be it volunteer work or funding at the local, state, territory, or federal level.

You’ve tried to discredit initiatives like expanding visiting health services or creating tourism jobs in their communities, all through the lens of how these efforts supposedly come at a personal cost to you.

Then there’s the constant “jokes” about murdering them, turning them into zoo exhibits, or hunting them for sport. How can you possibly expect to foster a genuine discussion from that foundation?

I would welcome the chance to have such a discussion, but with you, that has never been an option. Every conversation gets derailed by your attempts to belittle and dehumanise them. And when we try to sidestep the blatant discrimination that drips from your rhetoric, we end up stumbling over the racial slurs you throw in.

That’s the key difference between us. I see their struggles and, while I don’t claim to have all the answers, I at least want to see better outcomes for Indigenous communities. You, on the other hand, have “joked” far too often about killing them all, locking them up, stealing or restraining their children, or wishing the British had finished the job during colonisation. It’s clear that any meaningful discussion with you on this topic is impossible, and your calls for dialogue are just part of your victimhood charade.

We’ve seen it in action. You complain about The Voice, framing any policy related to Indigenous Australians as some undemocratic agenda, yet in the same breath, you lament that Labor doesn’t listen to Indigenous elders and leaders.

Which is it?

Voice bad or voice good?

This leaves the question: should Labor listen to these elders and leaders, will you then continue to throw tantrums this time because Labor listened to the elders and formulated policy around their feedback?

Never has there been a more easily answered rhetorical question...

Of course you will, because it’s all part of your sick game. You’ve shifted positions just to attack Labor and Albo, and you'll instantly flip back, using the debate as a shield to peddle your racist views.

That's how desperate you are for engagement, you're now playing the opposite side because nobody will engage with you. 

How embarrassing.

And in the same breath that you “joke” about genocide, you somehow play the fragile victim when someone points out your lack of good faith. You call that “abuse”?

Please.

Stop with the games and be honest about your true motives. You’ve already shown them in your words and “jokes,” so you might as well put them in black and white.

We all know what you’re really about, you’re not fooling anyone.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

It’s disingenuous to imply that your goal is to discuss ways to improve the lives of Indigenous people.

Not if your method of 'improving their lives' is to shoot them all ... which if I recall correctly was one of the methods crappler advocated for  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiSmqOPBK38

First of all.
They have to WANT to improve.

This requires some sort of self respect.
From what I see, aboriginals are inherently lazy, it's in there genes.
Add that to the corrupt, opportunistic nature of white fellas.
You get a plethora of FAKE WHITE aboriginals looking for ways to get as much as they can while doing absolutely nothing.

It's time we mandated a mi mum aboriginality to be given abbo welfare, be part of a collective or council.
When 99% of your genes are while, you are WHITE.

GET OVER IT BWYANNNNNNNNNN.

Ever since the Voice to Parliament, people in Australia have wondered why there should be even more special treatment for Indigenous Australians. Being observant of what has gone on in the last 30 years, there is no way that someone born in 1994 is in any way discriminated against in society. That is unless the person has an attitude problem.

I have "played the welfare system", too. But, at least I had mutual obligations to undertake, in being able to keep getting paid part payment financial assistance.

What have the Coalition ever done for Aboriginal people Crappler...It is not suprising many Australian's are ignorant and intollerant of Aboriginal people....You are one of the worst???


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The tragic history of Coalition betraying Indigenous Australians

:-? :-? :-?

https://independentaustralia.net/australia/australia-display/the-tragic-history-of-coalition-betraying-indigenous-australians,17990

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

What have the Coalition ever done for Aboriginal people Crappler...It is not suprising many Australian's are ignorant and intollerant of Aboriginal people....You are one of the worst??? Quote: The tragic history of Coalition betraying Indigenous Australians :-? :-? :-? https://independentaustralia.net/australia/australia-display/the-tragic-history-of-coalition-betraying-indigenous-australians,17990

More than you  that's for sure with your dogooder lefty bias.

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

What have the Coalition ever done for Aboriginal people Crappler...It is not suprising many Australian's are ignorant and intollerant of Aboriginal people....You are one of the worst??? Quote: The tragic history of Coalition betraying Indigenous Australians :-? :-? :-? https://independentaustralia.net/australia/australia-display/the-tragic-history-of-coalition-betraying-indigenous-australians,17990

Why ask me about the coalition?  I've never voted for them... and we're talking about the lie that all this rubbish that Labor is pushing through is helping them.

Handing them half of Queensland freehold won't stop them living in towns and the 'land will simply go to waste.... it is PUBLIC land - not government owned - owned by the people - and only the people can decide if it should be handed out in any way... it won't stop their poverty since it gives them nothing of value unless they sell it which is an absolute betrayal of the very reasons the idea of handing it to them exists at all... it will not alter one iota of their personal struggles with violence neglect and so forth.

It is a fairy tale that they 'owned' or 'own' that land, given that they never settled it but wandered about it in small groups like bushwalkers and backpackers ... where they DID settle - such as Bermagui on the Far South Coast of NSW - they HAVE freehold title.... on top of which law requires that all be treated equally - so I am about to put in a claim for my ancestral stamping grounds here.... ranging from Inverell all the way across through Tenterfield and up to Rockhampton, and down through New England and to The Hunter to the sea... down the river to the sea, Grapplerland will be free to me!!  I might even get a veto on the veto on the Barraba gold mine so that some Aborigines will get jobs.  then the facts are that the 'groups' are not contiguous - they are made up of fragments of many past groups and are not even a single whole.  Look at Mt Warning, where the REAL locals were cut out of 'community consultation' and a bunch of ring-ins were produced by magic to give life to the idea of the spiritual connection etc... Aborigines of some caste who had no valid connection with Mt Warning.

Basically the whole idea of freehold handout of land is a pack of lies....  a building block is enough for each family - if they stuff it up - no more.. finished.  But NO vast swathes of prime land freehold just because some ancient ancestor walked across it.  It's a ridiculous idea, and is nothing but a sly way of giving them a big cash handout, since that 'sacred land' will soon enough be bought out by developers and will go to ruin, rather than the excellent bits remaining in public hands.

Imagine Fraser Island looking like Surfers Paradise.... that will be the reality.

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 1:56pm: It’s disingenuous to imply that your goal is to discuss ways to improve the lives of Indigenous people. Not if your method of 'improving their lives' is to shoot them all ... which if I recall correctly was one of the methods crappler advocated for  :D

Not at all...

Let me just remove for you all the infantile rubbish you put here first - then see what is worth discussing:-


ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:09am: You've never discussed any attempts to better Aborigines.... Voice bad or voice good? This leaves the question: should Labor listen to these elders and leaders?

Now that we've got that settled, sock-controller:-

Voice BAD!  Without lift-off following failure of first stage, mission to re-colonise Australia has failed in its entirety, so nothing else can follow.

I've been saying all along that Labor and the Rest should listen to the REAL Elders, the Women, and the REAL leaders; not the sock puppets they put up.

See how easy it is without the infantile rubbish you lot carry on with?

https://media1.tenor.com/m/asSa0XkcXXwAAAAd/rocket-failure-explode.gif

Here's the Voice launch trying to tap dance out of its failure:-

https://media1.tenor.com/m/QHRW_7-H_H0AAAAC/astra-rocket.gif

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Still crying over the lost voice

Yet it is the big NO guy Graps making 90% of the posts.

Over 12 months later and Graps is still crying in his coco pops every morning.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 8:08pm:

Quote: Still crying over the lost voice Yet it is the big NO guy Graps making 90% of the posts. Over 12 months later and Graps is still crying in his coco pops every morning.

Not me - I'm just starting off posting the news items about the crying over the anniversary of the defeat... the stab in the back that the Abonazis and supporters use to justify their loss.... then I discuss with the sycophants and false posters all the details of that defeat and the attempt to sneak through the Aboriginal Second Reich by Stealth.

Ham-asses and He's Bollocky post more than I do on the subject..... Skanka, Smith .... Mothra is in defeat and is sulking again... Pillperth takes a shot... misses and ducks ... together they all post far more than I do....

Get with it, duck boy, or I'll put the swinging voters onto you....

This post is relevant to the attitude problems here:-

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Palestinians-an-existential-threat-to-Israel