ABC24 morning news journalist covering Melbourne protests suggestions that protests are good for democracy protesting expresses free speech, same time criticising protesters violence.
     Programs like ABC QandA and cancelled “The Drum” having many guests telling listeners what to think, often easily remembered frequently repeated many one line short statement phrases same positive ideas heard many times, become the easily repeated memories, people court out for something to say during times of people gathering together for conversations, when some person starts serious conversation as though they’re expressing intelligence, people use remembered statements to compete and or defend their self-perceived intelligence.

     School education behavioural conditioning forces children to compete with each other. During early primary school schooling to answer teacher QandA game sessions where children had little more than three seconds to answer teacher questions. Three second time limits to answer teacher questions programs children to hurry memorising data to answer questions.
     All the way through schooling children are told what to do, giving children no time to think, children are told what to remember for tests, children must be ready to answer questions when placed on the spot to answer questions otherwise be seen by other children as being slow to react dumb.
     Children are prevented from talking to each other in classrooms, long hours of being in classrooms confined in seats unable to get up and move around, performing government education department controlled information work tasks, enduring hours of stress, by the time children leave classrooms, brains feel need to instinctively want to avoid intelligent conversations, are more likely to be simple minded short statement specialised on few topics conversationalist, social media headline readers, picture watchers, sports active.

     Children are mentally fatigued by the end of each school day, similar limited intelligence behaviours for all remaining non school days. People believing free speech is real are themselves merely repeating what media are stating in short statements. Media are merely expressing ideas about stuff that doesn’t effect people’s lives to want to think about or that some expressed idea can’t to easily fixed exampling: housing shortages; wars in distant countries; people criticising politicians; freakish stories.
     A belief in free speech prevents individual thought from realising my frequently mentioned topic, “RBA increasing interest rates are causing increased inflation, causing businesses to increase prices to cover increases finance costs and that reduced business turnover due to consumer reduced demand, reduced sales turnover forces businesses to increase prices to cover reduced turnover earnings, otherwise close down businesses”, because many businesses don’t close or increases prices, incentives other than profit making ideology is keeping many businesses open for business.

     I am sure many parents with a sense of free speech frequently complain to school principles that their children aren’t learning anything, that their children’s bad socialising behaviours are worsening, accusing school education as the problem, yet government ministers and QandA forums blame a luck of teachers and luck of budgeted money. NAPLAN test results supports parents arguments, instead of being accused by parents of hiding poor learning issues.

     ABC QandA program, audience members are handed cards with questions to be asked from program guest experts, that the mere idea questions are formulated by producers, QandA panel members are scripted with producers desired answers, not placed on the spot to answer based on believed knowledge.

     There is no free speech when the only people allowed to express ideas are corporate paid people expert at following known propaganda responses.

     Media entertainment are produced and directed with the intent of limiting audiences ability to think: Crime; murder stories; 1950s 1960s Western Cowboy John Wayne etc. movies… limit audiences opportunities to witness new ideas, people should be more concerned with understanding new ideas, yet often due to work fatigue are happy to watch same easy to understand quick flashing or too slow meaningless scenes, being prompted to laugh when hearing canned laughter, being stimulated into awareness by freak show entertainment.

     Long before 1790s French revolution ruling, royal and rich glasses placed under the guillotine blade ruling classes have been fearful of poor working class people rebelling against ruling class authority to rule.
     Here in this free speech citizenry belief in democracy, I say most all educated by government curriculum citizenry which have been told through media, parliament politicians campaigns are financed by private donations, donators whom may want their ideas expressed in government policies, donators often corporate support both parties. I strongly suggest, the two party democracy system is really a single party divided into two sides poor thinking people believe each party keeps the other party honest, constantly seen arguing with each other, insulting each other’s behaviours, fooling neanderthal fight and flight intelligence using pointless arguments, providing political media forums with something to report.

     My point being periods within history of common working class rebellion, I strongly suggest all media are under control of a finance providing rich class using invented bank credits. As Channel 10 during several times was believed insolvent, channel 10 continued broadcasting as though nothing changed.
     My local television commercial channels’ 20 minutes of advertising time for every 60 minutes of programmed time, I see many chocolate product advertisements: M&Ms; Cadbury chocolates; Cadbury Favourites; etc. also many future programs appearing on the same channel as though there were no other advertisers, several channels devoted to advertising products had a limited number of items continuously being promoted.
     The very early years of commercial television, commercials promoting Aeroplane Jelly and Vegemite, how much advertisement cost financing television stations allowing said company sales to make profits?

     Even though commentators state prime time channel programs are said to be cheep to produce that government laws require prime channels programs to be Australian made, other channels show foreign programs, programs scripts control how humans think by mere distraction from calm time to experience prompted self-awareness thinking, causation of constant need for distractions to block degrees of depression awareness prevents many humans from experiencing thought.

     I recon program advertisements aren’t really financing programs, that limiting human intelligence by controlling human entertainment financed with invented bank credits are little difference than boring multi billion dollar tunnels underground to build railways and roads in cities noting Sydney to inject wages into workers ability to finance servicing debt and living costs.
     60 years ago, Australia was an automobile manufacturing country, now Australia is more an inner city office building data processing work force, few services other than banking and insurance require enough data services to replace 1960s to its end manufacturing automobile industries, so I recon inventing bank credits to aid paying for imported goods lost bank credits, by eroding money value using inflation I say RBA interest rate increases are causing. That the entertainment industry is a full on subsidised industry propaganda machine, controlling how citizenry don’t think instead what citizenry believe.

     School education teachers children to remember short streams of data spelling words etc., ‘not to think’ only what has been remembered. Much of what have been forced to be remembered by youth have little need for reasoning out ideas to experience thought. Once children remember data, data during questioning exams and teacher inquiry answer expressions have time limits, forcing children to answer using memory rather than to think out answers similar to “The 1% Club” only the program questions use more calculation based on limited practices.

     Schooling’s 13 years of limited learning behaviours memory and hurrying time limits to answer questions, stress self-medication using self-awareness of getting answers correct many students believe good grades are indications of intelligence, adult life, believing every idea known to be truthful, when beliefs are conflicted to believed knowledge, exampling “no person has walked on the moon surface” people become feeling aware “fear of falling into or worsening depression awareness, I say caused by school learning stress traumas”, humans feeling school question has been answered incorrectly, fearing further awareness, reject the idea “no person walked on the moon” rather than inquire how such evidence exists, troubled by the dilemma of answering quickly, find relief in believing ‘man has walked on the moon’.
     Mental illness within citizenry further aids citizenry believing in media propaganda, the fear of unaccustomed torturous thought worsening existing mental illness learning traumas, brings on learnt tactics to hold back awareness of depression bad feelings.
     People suffering from bipolar, old name for manic depression, when prompting such people to think, person feels like they’re in school classrooms being prompted to answer a question they can’t quickly respond to, feeling fears of being embarrassed, feeling fears of being incorrect, feeling fears of panic, add the feeling of teachers adding more work tasks to already over whelming work responding with repressed anger, outside of school classrooms persons easily get angry hence why such people are bipolar, persons wanting to laugh self-medication, suddenly become angry when prompted to think.

     If “family violence” an often spoken about awareness topic with no known media stated reasons, above paragraph is one example conclusion.

     There’s no free speech because few people have an ability to realise the obvious when the obvious makes people feel worse than they already are and or the obvious creates fear of unwanted unaccustomed thoughts as felt during school education years, avoiding knowledge such as wars are often intentional ruling class conspiracies to adjust populations to a more manageable food resource state.

steve9

You raise a lot of valid points.

While it is true that the education system is shaped and influenced by those in positions of power, it is important to recognise that higher education, particularly at the university level, is where the cultivation of critical thinking is most rigorously pursued. Universities serve as environments where individuals are not merely encouraged but required to challenge established ideas, question underlying assumptions, and engage with a diverse array of perspectives.

This, perhaps, explains the animosity directed towards such institutions by those who benefit from maintaining a population that is compliant and uncritical. Institutions that foster independent thought are viewed as threats by the very powers that would prefer a workforce of obedient, unquestioning individuals. Thus, they exploit societal divisions and label these bastions of intellectual growth with derogatory terms such as 'woke factories,' 'liberal indoctrination camps,' 'echo chambers,' and 'Marxist breeding grounds,' all as part of a broader strategy of control.

In fact, for students pursuing a science-based path even during their senior years of high school, the foundation for critical thinking is already being established. The emphasis shifts from rote memorisation to the comprehension of complex concepts, the resolution of intricate problems, and the formation of reasoned conclusions grounded in empirical evidence.

It is easy to criticise the system from a position of limited exposure, particularly if one’s education ceases at a more basic level. However, those who continue their education often acquire the intellectual tools necessary to not only see through propaganda but also to critically evaluate and interpret the world around them. Ironically, the same system that is often criticised is the very one that equips individuals with the cognitive framework to question its authority effectively. Higher education does more than impart knowledge,it teaches individuals how to think. And in that lies true empowerment.

Is free speech tax deductible like free dinner and entertainment?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 9:55am:

You raise a lot of valid points. While it is true that the education system is shaped and influenced by those in positions of power, it is important to recognise that higher education, particularly at the university level, is where the cultivation of critical thinking is most rigorously pursued. Universities serve as environments where individuals are not merely encouraged but required to challenge established ideas, question underlying assumptions, and engage with a diverse array of perspectives. This, perhaps, explains the animosity directed towards such institutions by those who benefit from maintaining a population that is compliant and uncritical. Institutions that foster independent thought are viewed as threats by the very powers that would prefer a workforce of obedient, unquestioning individuals. Thus, they exploit societal divisions and label these bastions of intellectual growth with derogatory terms such as 'woke factories,' 'liberal indoctrination camps,' 'echo chambers,' and 'Marxist breeding grounds,' all as part of a broader strategy of control. In fact, for students pursuing a science-based path even during their senior years of high school, the foundation for critical thinking is already being established. The emphasis shifts from rote memorisation to the comprehension of complex concepts, the resolution of intricate problems, and the formation of reasoned conclusions grounded in empirical evidence. It is easy to criticise the system from a position of limited exposure, particularly if one’s education ceases at a more basic level. However, those who continue their education often acquire the intellectual tools necessary to not only see through propaganda but also to critically evaluate and interpret the world around them. Ironically, the same system that is often criticised is the very one that equips individuals with the cognitive framework to question its authority effectively. Higher education does more than impart knowledge,it teaches individuals how to think. And in that lies true empowerment.

There is no intellectual diversity or rigour or depth of learning and thinking in university humanities and social 'science' faculties. Nor in high schools. For those subjects.

Questioning the race, gender, green, multiculti orthodoxies is career ending for academics and professional staff. Students are ostracised if they do not toe the line.

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 11:27am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 9:55am: You raise a lot of valid points. While it is true that the education system is shaped and influenced by those in positions of power, it is important to recognise that higher education, particularly at the university level, is where the cultivation of critical thinking is most rigorously pursued. Universities serve as environments where individuals are not merely encouraged but required to challenge established ideas, question underlying assumptions, and engage with a diverse array of perspectives. This, perhaps, explains the animosity directed towards such institutions by those who benefit from maintaining a population that is compliant and uncritical. Institutions that foster independent thought are viewed as threats by the very powers that would prefer a workforce of obedient, unquestioning individuals. Thus, they exploit societal divisions and label these bastions of intellectual growth with derogatory terms such as 'woke factories,' 'liberal indoctrination camps,' 'echo chambers,' and 'Marxist breeding grounds,' all as part of a broader strategy of control. In fact, for students pursuing a science-based path even during their senior years of high school, the foundation for critical thinking is already being established. The emphasis shifts from rote memorisation to the comprehension of complex concepts, the resolution of intricate problems, and the formation of reasoned conclusions grounded in empirical evidence. It is easy to criticise the system from a position of limited exposure, particularly if one’s education ceases at a more basic level. However, those who continue their education often acquire the intellectual tools necessary to not only see through propaganda but also to critically evaluate and interpret the world around them. Ironically, the same system that is often criticised is the very one that equips individuals with the cognitive framework to question its authority effectively. Higher education does more than impart knowledge,it teaches individuals how to think. And in that lies true empowerment. There is no intellectual diversity in university humanities and social 'science' faculties. Nor in high schools. For those subjects. Questioning the race, gender, green, multiculti orthodoxies is career ending for academics and professional staff. Students are ostracised if they do not toe the line.

You're an example of the very type of person I was talking about.

A living breathing example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, and still so desperate to be thought of as correct that the truth no longer matters.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 11:29am:

Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 11:27am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 9:55am: You raise a lot of valid points. While it is true that the education system is shaped and influenced by those in positions of power, it is important to recognise that higher education, particularly at the university level, is where the cultivation of critical thinking is most rigorously pursued. Universities serve as environments where individuals are not merely encouraged but required to challenge established ideas, question underlying assumptions, and engage with a diverse array of perspectives. This, perhaps, explains the animosity directed towards such institutions by those who benefit from maintaining a population that is compliant and uncritical. Institutions that foster independent thought are viewed as threats by the very powers that would prefer a workforce of obedient, unquestioning individuals. Thus, they exploit societal divisions and label these bastions of intellectual growth with derogatory terms such as 'woke factories,' 'liberal indoctrination camps,' 'echo chambers,' and 'Marxist breeding grounds,' all as part of a broader strategy of control. In fact, for students pursuing a science-based path even during their senior years of high school, the foundation for critical thinking is already being established. The emphasis shifts from rote memorisation to the comprehension of complex concepts, the resolution of intricate problems, and the formation of reasoned conclusions grounded in empirical evidence. It is easy to criticise the system from a position of limited exposure, particularly if one’s education ceases at a more basic level. However, those who continue their education often acquire the intellectual tools necessary to not only see through propaganda but also to critically evaluate and interpret the world around them. Ironically, the same system that is often criticised is the very one that equips individuals with the cognitive framework to question its authority effectively. Higher education does more than impart knowledge,it teaches individuals how to think. And in that lies true empowerment. There is no intellectual diversity in university humanities and social 'science' faculties. Nor in high schools. For those subjects. Questioning the race, gender, green, multiculti orthodoxies is career ending for academics and professional staff. Students are ostracised if they do not toe the line. You're an example of the very type of person I was talking about. A living breathing example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, and still so desperate to be thought of as correct that the truth no longer matters.

I actually worked in universities in senior positions for decades. I speak from first hand experience.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 11:29am:

Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 11:27am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 9:55am: You raise a lot of valid points. While it is true that the education system is shaped and influenced by those in positions of power, it is important to recognise that higher education, particularly at the university level, is where the cultivation of critical thinking is most rigorously pursued. Universities serve as environments where individuals are not merely encouraged but required to challenge established ideas, question underlying assumptions, and engage with a diverse array of perspectives. This, perhaps, explains the animosity directed towards such institutions by those who benefit from maintaining a population that is compliant and uncritical. Institutions that foster independent thought are viewed as threats by the very powers that would prefer a workforce of obedient, unquestioning individuals. Thus, they exploit societal divisions and label these bastions of intellectual growth with derogatory terms such as 'woke factories,' 'liberal indoctrination camps,' 'echo chambers,' and 'Marxist breeding grounds,' all as part of a broader strategy of control. In fact, for students pursuing a science-based path even during their senior years of high school, the foundation for critical thinking is already being established. The emphasis shifts from rote memorisation to the comprehension of complex concepts, the resolution of intricate problems, and the formation of reasoned conclusions grounded in empirical evidence. It is easy to criticise the system from a position of limited exposure, particularly if one’s education ceases at a more basic level. However, those who continue their education often acquire the intellectual tools necessary to not only see through propaganda but also to critically evaluate and interpret the world around them. Ironically, the same system that is often criticised is the very one that equips individuals with the cognitive framework to question its authority effectively. Higher education does more than impart knowledge,it teaches individuals how to think. And in that lies true empowerment. There is no intellectual diversity in university humanities and social 'science' faculties. Nor in high schools. For those subjects. Questioning the race, gender, green, multiculti orthodoxies is career ending for academics and professional staff. Students are ostracised if they do not toe the line. You're an example of the very type of person I was talking about. A living breathing example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, and still so desperate to be thought of as correct that the truth no longer matters.

I actually worked in universities in senior positions for decades. I speak from first hand experience.

Needless to say, the DK effect does not mean what you think or imply it to mean

There is one area of censored dogma. It's forbidden for unis to discuss Indigenous tribal culture and 'oldest continuous culture'. I'm told explicitly that academics fear funding cuts if they do. There's a move in NSW Premier's dept to block publication of Aboriginals' cultural knowledge without direct consent by concerned elders to give a right to tell stories. Newspapers have complied. This includes a block on quoting websites of deceased Aboriginals, without elder consent.

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 11:39am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 11:29am: Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 11:27am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 9:55am: You raise a lot of valid points. While it is true that the education system is shaped and influenced by those in positions of power, it is important to recognise that higher education, particularly at the university level, is where the cultivation of critical thinking is most rigorously pursued. Universities serve as environments where individuals are not merely encouraged but required to challenge established ideas, question underlying assumptions, and engage with a diverse array of perspectives. This, perhaps, explains the animosity directed towards such institutions by those who benefit from maintaining a population that is compliant and uncritical. Institutions that foster independent thought are viewed as threats by the very powers that would prefer a workforce of obedient, unquestioning individuals. Thus, they exploit societal divisions and label these bastions of intellectual growth with derogatory terms such as 'woke factories,' 'liberal indoctrination camps,' 'echo chambers,' and 'Marxist breeding grounds,' all as part of a broader strategy of control. In fact, for students pursuing a science-based path even during their senior years of high school, the foundation for critical thinking is already being established. The emphasis shifts from rote memorisation to the comprehension of complex concepts, the resolution of intricate problems, and the formation of reasoned conclusions grounded in empirical evidence. It is easy to criticise the system from a position of limited exposure, particularly if one’s education ceases at a more basic level. However, those who continue their education often acquire the intellectual tools necessary to not only see through propaganda but also to critically evaluate and interpret the world around them. Ironically, the same system that is often criticised is the very one that equips individuals with the cognitive framework to question its authority effectively. Higher education does more than impart knowledge,it teaches individuals how to think. And in that lies true empowerment. There is no intellectual diversity in university humanities and social 'science' faculties. Nor in high schools. For those subjects. Questioning the race, gender, green, multiculti orthodoxies is career ending for academics and professional staff. Students are ostracised if they do not toe the line. You're an example of the very type of person I was talking about. A living breathing example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, and still so desperate to be thought of as correct that the truth no longer matters. I actually worked in universities in senior positions for decades. I speak from first hand experience.

It is profoundly disheartening, considering your tenure in academia, to witness such a glaring lack of intellectual integrity.

Despite decades of experience in a senior academic role, it appears that intellectual dishonesty remains prevalent.

What could have transpired to lead to this?

Unless you weren't a part of their academic departments and in a more behind the scenes faculty role.  But even so, by proximity, I would have expected more.

Although my own academic journey was limited to a Master’s and a Bachelor’s, which sufficed for my purposes, we were nevertheless instilled with the importance of critical analysis and the discernment of fact from fallacy, particularly within the sciences.

While I hold great respect and even a degree of envy for those who, having left school after Year 10 for a trade, are able to acquire their first home by the age of 25, at least within my circle of friends, those who chose that path lack the nuanced reasoning skills. This has been highlighted by their engagement with dubious content, such as the misinformation about square blood cells and other COVID related BS on Facebook.

As an aside to the broader discussion on education and our differing views, it is pertinent to recognise that, at least within the Australian context, our right to free speech is not explicitly guaranteed but merely implied.

Another example is Peter Ridd who was sacked from James Cook uni for abnormal views on the barrier reef and for misconduct. The judge said James Cook University had "not understood the whole concept of intellectual freedom".

This is a typical expression of the academic mindset in the humanities:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0031322X.2021.2014087


Look at any English, journalism, history course curriculum and unit descriptions. Go on any campus at o week (orientation week). Look at the research interests of humanities academics on their university websites.

Here's some interesting logic by Sydney uni academics. They object to Hungary's blocking a university so they block Ramsay. It's right-wing..

'Among the core values ostensibly defended by this University are intellectual freedom to run its programs.[..] Unfortunately, you also flout those freedoms by implying, in your email to staff and presumably in your letter to the Ramsay Centre, consent by the University’s academic community to a proposal that will lead to entrenchment of a hard-right political agenda within our programs. So, let us be clear: we do not consent.'
http://ramsayoffcampus.org/

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/166/118/428/original/af126c8a91932106.png

So that's revenue, not profit. 195 countries with fines at 5% each is $.

chimera wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 3:53pm:

So that's revenue, not profit. 195 countries with fines at 5% each is $.

And who decides what is misinformation?
The Govt. does -
like their safe and effective vaccines  ummmmm. :-/


https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/166/118/428/original/af126c8a91932106.png

Sometimes (not in Oz) a minister resigns for misleading parliament, on the facts. Judges decide on defamation. Academics can be fined for fraud in publications.  Maybe blocking an academic opinion is fraud.

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 11:39am:

I actually worked in universities in senior positions for decades..

Head janitor were you  ::)

1984  George Orwell

https://www.abhafoundation.org/assets/books/html/1984/139.html

The alteration of the past is necessary for two reasons, one of which is subsidiary and, so to speak, precautionary. The subsidiary reason is that the Party member, like the proletarian, tolerates present-day conditions partly because he has no standards of comparison. He must be cut off from the past, just as he must be cut off from foreign countries, because it is necessary for him to believe that he is better off than his ancestors and that the average level of material comfort is constantly rising. But by far the more important reason for the readjustment of the past is the need to safeguard the infallibility of the Party. It is not merely that speeches, statistics, and records of every kind must be constantly brought up to date in order to show that the predictions of the Party were in all cases right. It is also that no change in doctrine or in political alignment can ever be admitted. For to change one's mind, or even one's policy, is a confession of weakness. If, for example, Eurasia or Eastasia (whichever it may be) is the enemy today, then that country must always have been the enemy. And if the facts say otherwise then the facts must be altered. Thus history is continuously rewritten. This day-to-day falsification of the past, carried out by the Ministry of Truth, is as necessary to the stability of the regime as the work of repression and espionage carried out by the Ministry of Love.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 3:56pm:

chimera wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 3:53pm: So that's revenue, not profit. 195 countries with fines at 5% each is $. And who decides what is misinformation? The Govt. does - like their safe and effective vaccines  ummmmm. :-/ https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/166/118/428/original/af126c8a91932106.png

While I'd vote for Labor over the current Libs or Nats, I still don't want any government having this power.

I think misinformation is a huge problem, this forum is a testament to that, but it's not the government who should be the arbiters of it.

The cost of free speech is letting the lying pricks, like bobby and co, say whatever they want.

ACCC is fairly close to the problem in handling misleading advertising.
Compliance and enforcement strategy
To achieve our compliance objectives, we use 4 flexible and integrated strategies:

'encouraging compliance with the law, particularly by educating and informing consumers and traders about their rights and responsibilities under the Fair Trading Act.
enforcement of the law, including resolution of possible contraventions both administratively and by litigation and other formal enforcement outcomes'.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 3:56pm: chimera wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 3:53pm: So that's revenue, not profit. 195 countries with fines at 5% each is $. And who decides what is misinformation? The Govt. does - like their safe and effective vaccines  ummmmm. :-/ https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/166/118/428/original/af126c8a91932106.png While I'd vote for Labor over the current Libs or Nats, I still don't want any government having this power. I think misinformation is a huge problem, this forum is a testament to that, but it's not the government who should be the arbiters of it. The cost of free speech is letting the lying pricks, like bobby and co, say whatever they want.

Are you a Marxist?

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1660808671/1170

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 3:56pm: chimera wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 3:53pm: So that's revenue, not profit. 195 countries with fines at 5% each is $. And who decides what is misinformation? The Govt. does - like their safe and effective vaccines  ummmmm. :-/ https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/166/118/428/original/af126c8a91932106.png While I'd vote for Labor over the current Libs or Nats, I still don't want any government having this power. I think misinformation is a huge problem, this forum is a testament to that, but it's not the government who should be the arbiters of it. The cost of free speech is letting the lying pricks, like bobby and co, say whatever they want.

Nothing, absolutely nothing would turn you away from Labor.


I voted for Keating in '96 and couldn't understand why anyone voted for Howard. I even admired Whitlam.  (I was young and naive, like Gillard).
By '07 I couldn't understand how anyone could be taken in by Kevni. 

Australians have never had a right to Freedom of Speech.  The best they have had is an implied right in it's constituion as found by the High Court in the early 1990s.  They have enjoyed Freedom of Speech only since the 1970s. Before that they were subject to censorship, severe censorship.  Don Chipp ended that, though.

There is still no right and some censorship continues.

I don't support Labor, it's just Dutton and their current platform is worse.

It's the lesser of two evils, not a matter of support.

But sure, hyperfixate on that rather than the topic of the thread.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 6:40pm:

Australians have never had a right to Freedom of Speech.  The best they have had is an implied right in it's constituion as found by the High Court in the early 1990s.  They have enjoyed Freedom of Speech only since the 1970s. Before that they were subject to censorship, severe censorship.  Don Chipp ended that, though.

They??

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:26pm:

I don't support Labor, it's just Dutton and their current platform is worse. It's the lesser of two evils, not a matter of support. But sure, hyperfixate on that rather than the topic of the thread.

So did you support ScoMo, Turnbull, Abbott, Howard?

Musk was supported about the Sydney church stabbing video.
'Justice Kennett ruled that a global ban would not be considered a “reasonable” step – required by Australian law – because it would likely “be ignored or disparaged in other countries”.'
The fascists are now on the money.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 12:08pm:

It is profoundly disheartening, considering your tenure in academia, to witness such a glaring lack of intellectual integrity. Despite decades of experience in a senior academic role, it appears that intellectual dishonesty remains prevalent.  What could have transpired to lead to this? ... As an aside to the broader discussion on education and our differing views, it is pertinent to recognise that, at least within the Australian context, our right to free speech is not explicitly guaranteed but merely implied.

If an engineering academic recklessly or deliberately misled students about how to build a bridge, Australians would not just expect that academic to be sacked; they would want to know, and would want every academic to know, that intellectual standards were being rigorously enforced.

Now, however, Mark Scott, the vice-chancellor of Sydney University, has decided that Professor Sujatha Fernandes, who told her students that reports of Hamas committing mass rapes on October 7 were “fake news”, will escape with the slightest rap of the world’s lightest feather-duster.

How making statements that are demonstrably false can be anything other than a serious breach of the university’s requirement that academics respect the “highest ethical, professional and legal standards” is a mystery.

It is, after all, the very purpose of a university to encourage the pursuit and dissemination of knowledge: that is, of claims that can reasonably be held to be true. And it is no accident that the modern university’s emergence coincided with the rise of the notion that a commitment to the value of the truth, and of truthfulness in research and teaching, was academics’ foremost obligation.
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That, Max Weber famously argued, was the entirety of academic freedom: the freedom to dispassionately seek, and equally dispassionately teach, the truth, with all partisanship abandoned – and even the slightest step beyond that transformed teaching into preaching, losing every protection academic freedom afforded.

No one could claim that Weber’s lofty ideals were always realised. But the ethic of objectivity proved crucial in the spectacular advances that marked every field of knowledge. Directly, it greatly enhanced the calibre of academic activity; indirectly, it provided users of research with quality assurance, facilitating the acceptance of controversial results.

Yet it has collapsed, most notably in the humanities and parts of the social sciences, to the point where Australia’s oldest, and once most prestigious, university considers purveying gross falsehoods a trivial offence.
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It would be easy, but largely incorrect, to blame that collapse on writers such as Jacques Derrida, Michel Foucault or Pierre Bourdieu. Rather, as Daniel Gordon and Nathalie Heinich have argued, the crucial factor was the rise, initially in North American universities, of centres – such as those dedicated to black, indigenous and women’s studies – that regarded advocacy as integral to their mission.

It was the growing tension that created with the ethic of objectivity, which abjured advocacy, that made the traditional academic virtues increasingly contentious. The arrival on the scene of Derrida, Foucault and Bourdieu therefore filled a need – a need, felt by activist academics in the English-speaking world, for intellectual legitimacy.

That those writers were comprehensively panned in France itself, where philosophy is taken seriously, scarcely mattered. To cite but one example, Jacques Bouveresse, undoubtedly the leading French epistemologist of his generation, dismissed Derrida’s work as nonsense.

Much as he may deride the concept of “the truth”, wrote Bouveresse, even Derrida, as he jets from conference to conference, needs to know whether it is indeed true that his flight leaves next Wednesday at three, rather than Thursday at five. And Bouveresse also showed that Foucault, who claimed to stand on Nietzsche’s shoulders, had grievously “mistranslated, misrepresented and misunderstood” everything Nietzsche had to say.

But what mattered to the activists was that Derrida, Foucault and Bourdieu argued that scholarship was inherently political. “Objectivity”, they contended, was a mere fig leaf for the interests of the ruling class.

Properly considered, the truth of a claim depended neither on how it was derived nor on its relationship to reality. It depended, wrote vastly influential American postmodernist Hayden White, on whether it was made from the right moral – that is, political – “standpoint”.

The way was therefore open to the development of what is now known as “standpoint epistemology”, which, in its most popular version, asserts that a proposition’s truth depends on the identity of its proponent. That is, of course, scarcely an inch away from Stalinism’s “proletarian science”, not to mention the Nazis’ “Aryan mathematics”. And if that epistemology was good enough for Stalin and Hitler, why wouldn’t it be good enough for Hamas and its taxpayer-funded acolytes?
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In a situation where consensus is elusive, the stringent quality assurance the rules of objectivity provide may well be the only thing that permits some shared understanding of reality to emerge – and with it, a shared appreciation of the constraints reality imposes.
Henry Ergas

Social engineering?
'Sujatha Fernandes is a storyteller, writer, scholar, and teacher. She is a Professor of Sociology at the University of Sydney,.. Her academic, activist, and literary work explores social and labor movements, participatory media and art, global Black cultures, migrant workers, and climate storytelling.'

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 11:00am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 12:08pm: It is profoundly disheartening, considering your tenure in academia, to witness such a glaring lack of intellectual integrity. Despite decades of experience in a senior academic role, it appears that intellectual dishonesty remains prevalent.  What could have transpired to lead to this? ... As an aside to the broader discussion on education and our differing views, it is pertinent to recognise that, at least within the Australian context, our right to free speech is not explicitly guaranteed but merely implied. If an engineering academic recklessly or deliberately misled students about how to build a bridge, Australians would not just expect that academic to be sacked; they would want to know, and would want every academic to know, that intellectual standards were being rigorously enforced. [Clipped, too long to quote]

I would have assumed that someone with decades of experience in academia would at least know how to properly cite The Australian when regurgitating its talking points.

The crux of the issue remains that higher education isn’t about dictating what to think but rather fostering the ability to think, to critically evaluate content and hone the skills necessary to distinguish fact from fiction.

It seems you may have bypassed those essential lessons, perhaps even missing your entire first year, where students are typically introduced to proper citation practices, academic writing, and fundamental research methods.

Your contributions here have certainly failed to exhibit any of these foundational skills.

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 11:00am:

Professor Sujatha Fernandes, who told her students that reports of Hamas committing mass rapes on October 7 were “fake news”,

Then maybe the VC, Fernandes, Frank and editors could produce evidence for their freely held adjectival opinions.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2024 at 11:00am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 12:08pm: It is profoundly disheartening, considering your tenure in academia, to witness such a glaring lack of intellectual integrity. Despite decades of experience in a senior academic role, it appears that intellectual dishonesty remains prevalent.  What could have transpired to lead to this? ... As an aside to the broader discussion on education and our differing views, it is pertinent to recognise that, at least within the Australian context, our right to free speech is not explicitly guaranteed but merely implied. If an engineering academic recklessly or deliberately misled students about how to build a bridge, Australians would not just expect that academic to be sacked; they would want to know, and would want every academic to know, that intellectual standards were being rigorously enforced. [Clipped, too long to quote] I would have assumed that someone with decades of experience in academia would at least know how to properly cite The Australian when regurgitating its talking points. The crux of the issue remains that higher education isn’t about dictating what to think but rather fostering the ability to think, to critically evaluate content and hone the skills necessary to distinguish fact from fiction. It seems you may have bypassed those essential lessons, perhaps even missing your entire first year, where students are typically introduced to proper citation practices, academic writing, and fundamental research methods. Your contributions here have certainly failed to exhibit any of these foundational skills.

But what mattered to the activists was that Derrida, Foucault and Bourdieu argued that scholarship was inherently political. “Objectivity”, they contended, was a mere fig leaf for the interests of the ruling class.

Properly considered, the truth of a claim depended neither on how it was derived nor on its relationship to reality. It depended, wrote vastly influential American postmodernist Hayden White, on whether it was made from the right moral – that is, political – “standpoint”.

The way was therefore open to the development of what is now known as “standpoint epistemology”, which, in its most popular version, asserts that a proposition’s truth depends on the identity of its proponent. That is, of course, scarcely an inch away from Stalinism’s “proletarian science”, not to mention the Nazis’ “Aryan mathematics”. And if that epistemology was good enough for Stalin and Hitler, why wouldn’t it be good enough for Hamas and its taxpayer-funded acolytes?

That Fernandes channels Blanche Dubois in Tennessee Williams’s A Streetcar Named Desire is therefore unsurprising: “I don’t tell truth. I tell what ought to be truth. And if that is sinful, then let me be damned for it!”

Mark Scott led the ABC, where truth rarely stood in the way of an ideological story. He now leads USyd where the same thing applies.

Do we have evidence for mass rapes by Hamas?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 9:55am:

While it is true that the education system is shaped and influenced by those in positions of power, it is important to recognise that higher education, particularly at the university level, is where the cultivation of critical thinking is most rigorously pursued. Universities serve as environments where individuals are not merely encouraged but required to challenge established ideas, question underlying assumptions, and engage with a diverse array of perspectives.

Most of our politicians are university educated, even the unionists. It would be the same in France. But they have just fined a news company for having the temerity to broadcast "climate scepticism" unchallenged.

https://www.euronews.com/green/2024/07/12/frances-cnews-fined-for-broadcasting-climate-scepticism-unchallenged

chimera wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 1:09pm:

Do we have evidence for mass rapes by Hamas?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/18/evidence-points-to-systematic-use-of-rape-by-hamas-in-7-october-attacks

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181

https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/un-finds-clear-convincing-information-hostages-raped-gaza-rcna141789



Not a new jihadi technique either:
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/captive-islamic-state-militant-says-mass-rapes-were-normal-idUSKBN15W1N0/

Yes there was rape of a number.  The evidence doesn't go beyond that. What is 'mass rape'?

chimera wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 4:00pm:

Yes there was rape of a number.  The evidence doesn't go beyond that. What is 'mass rape'?

How many are you OK with?



https://oct7map.com/women

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

chimera wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 4:00pm:

Yes there was rape of a number.  The evidence doesn't go beyond that. What is 'mass rape'?

Do we have numbers involved that make the difference between mass rapes or gang rapes and plain old rape? Can one be a gang? One be a mass(of people)?
Where is your line drawn?

mass 1.
a large body of matter with no definite shape.
"the sun broke out from behind a mass of clouds"
Similar: pile  heap stack clump cloud bunch bundle
2. a large number of people or objects crowded together.
"a mass of cyclists".

massacre   : an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of many people.
"the attack was described as a cold-blooded massacre"
wholesale slaughter  mass slaughter mass destruction.

HOW LONG IS A PIECE OF STRING? definition: 1. said when you cannot answer a question about the length, size, amount, etc. of something.
How long is a piece of string?
The Australian Association of Mathematics Teachers
18 Apr 2013 — Measure the string using a tape measure and compare the estimate to the exact length of the string.

chimera wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 8:51pm:

mass 1. a large body of matter with no definite shape. "the sun broke out from behind a mass of clouds" Similar: pile  heap stack clump cloud bunch bundle 2. a large number of people or objects crowded together. "a mass of cyclists". massacre   : an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of many people. "the attack was described as a cold-blooded massacre" wholesale slaughter  mass slaughter mass destruction. HOW LONG IS A PIECE OF STRING? definition: 1. said when you cannot answer a question about the length, size, amount, etc. of something. How long is a piece of string? The Australian Association of Mathematics Teachers 18 Apr 2013 — Measure the string using a tape measure and compare the estimate to the exact length of the string.

Exactly why I defined mass(of people) not mass(physics).
2. seems to be the right choice in this situation.

Now, where is your line?


Quote:

In theories of particle physics based on string theory, the characteristic length scale of strings is assumed to be on the order of the Planck length, or 10−35 meters, the scale at which the effects of quantum gravity are believed to become significant.[15https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory

About the middle of the piece of string.
Man drives car and is given speeding ticket for 'travelling fairly quickly'. Judge says 'pay us a few dollars'.  Man says 'OK and I'll buy your house for a few more'.

chimera wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 8:58pm:

About the middle of the piece of string. Man drives car and is given speeding ticket for 'travelling fairly quickly'. Judge says 'pay us a few dollars'.  Man says 'OK and I'll buy your house for a few more'.

So somewhere between 5 and 18 metres?

Frank and I don't know. Who knows?

chimera wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 9:17pm:

Frank and I don't know. Who knows?

In that case, we wait for the know it alls. Brian, Mothra, Sad Kangy and Gregg might know.

**coughs** Aboriginal Mathematics - promoted by a 3rd Cousin (again)....FFS.. something in those family genes.

That string is a 'length' long!!  Damn your eyes!

chimera wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 9:17pm:

Frank and I don't know. Who knows?

I am not on your side in this.

My side is 'what is the definition of mass rape'?

chimera wrote on Sep 15^th, 2024 at 9:43am:

My side is 'what is the definition of mass rape'?

What is your understanding of it? Is this a game of Humpty Dumpty - 'words mean what I want them to mean?

Do you also need a definition of 'woman's, 'marriage and what the meaning of 'Is' is, a la Slick Willy?


The hoof is showing when people start wondering what the meaning and definition of ordinary words are. You know then that they are not honest.

well according to wiki... ;)

Under mass sexual assault

" At least one eyewitness, who was working as a volunteer at the event, reported to The Washington Post that he had seen a woman who was crowd surfing pulled down into the mosh pit and raped by five men."

"In January 2018 an 8-year-old girl, Asifa Bano, was gang raped by six men and a juvenile in the Rasana village near Kathua in Indian-administered Kashmir."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_sexual_assault

Frank wrote on Sep 15^th, 2024 at 10:39am:

Do you also need a definition of 'woman's, 'marriage and what the meaning of 'Is' is, a la Slick Willy?

No because they are definable. 'Mass' is a poetic term without parameters. It's emotional to promote an imaginative reaction.
There is mass vaccination in Gaza related to the population. 'Mass rape' in Israel carries a similar concept when the facts are not definite.

Frank,
What have you found so far? Here is some evidence:
The Al Jazeera I-Unit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_Investigates
I-Unit investigation:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/21/october-7-forensic-analysis-shows-hamas-abuses-many-false-israeli-claims

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 6:40pm:

Australians have never had a right to Freedom of Speech.  The best they have had is an implied right in it's constituion as found by the High Court in the early 1990s.  They have enjoyed Freedom of Speech only since the 1970s. Before that they were subject to censorship, severe censorship.  Don Chipp ended that, though.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 16^th, 2024 at 2:16pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif

I wish people could this into their HEADS !


1. Australia has NO guarantee of freedom of speech - nor a Bill of Rights
Canada, New Zealand, the UK and the US - along with most of the rest of the world, DO


2. Australia does NOT have a treaty with its indigenous people, so technically,
white Australia is still at WAR with indigenous Australia.





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Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 11:00am:

How making statements that are demonstrably false can be anything other than a serious breach of the university’s requirement that academics respect the “highest ethical, professional and legal standards” is a mystery.

Free speech is contractually rejected by unis in teaching. There needs to be a rigour of facts. The standard for maths is different from poetry where the base is low. Poetic 'mass' rape can mean any number and so an excessive 'mass' number above reality can fairly be called 'fake news'. This is within uni standards and ought to be allowed as free speech.

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 17^th, 2024 at 6:55am:

I wish people could this into their HEADS ! 1. Australia has NO guarantee of freedom of speech - nor a Bill of Rights Canada, New Zealand, the UK and the US - along with most of the rest of the world, DO 2. Australia does NOT have a treaty with its indigenous people, so technically, white Australia is still at WAR with indigenous Australia. .

There are no such warring entities as 'white Australia' and 'indigineaus Australia'.  Half of the population was born overseas or have at least one parent who was. Increasingly they are not white either.

As for the bill of rights, that is a French invention. We still operate much more with the common law system of custom and precedent. The UK doesn't even have a single written document called the 'constitution. We do but only because of federation.

chimera wrote on Sep 17^th, 2024 at 7:41am:

Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2024 at 11:00am: How making statements that are demonstrably false can be anything other than a serious breach of the university’s requirement that academics respect the “highest ethical, professional and legal standards” is a mystery. Free speech is contractually rejected by unis in teaching. There needs to be a rigour of facts. The standard for maths is different from poetry where the base is low. Poetic 'mass' rape can mean any number and so an excessive 'mass' number above reality can fairly be called 'fake news'. This is within uni standards and ought to be allowed as free speech.

Sujatha Fernandes is a Professor of Sociology at the University of Sydney.
Not of Poetry.

I wrote poetry with a small p, her words were poetic rather than mathematical. If she had said 'no rapes' or 'most of Jewish women in Israel' that would be demonstrably false. There's also a question, was she teaching the comment to uni students as a fact of current news or was it in the pub?  The word 'mass' carries a sense of majority not minority. Do you say the majority of women were raped in the area of attack, a minority or you don't know enough to say how many?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 12:08pm:

quote author=Frank link=1726146015/6#6 date=1726191577] I actually worked in universities in senior positions for decades. I speak from first hand experience.

It is profoundly disheartening, considering your tenure in academia, to witness such a glaring lack of intellectual integrity.

Despite decades of experience in a senior academic role, it appears that intellectual dishonesty remains prevalent.

What could have transpired to lead to this?

Unless you weren't a part of their academic departments and in a more behind the scenes faculty role.  But even so, by proximity, I would have expected more.

Although my own academic journey was limited to a Master’s and a Bachelor’s, which sufficed for my purposes, we were nevertheless instilled with the importance of critical analysis and the discernment of fact from fallacy, particularly within the sciences.

While I hold great respect and even a degree of envy for those who, having left school after Year 10 for a trade, are able to acquire their first home by the age of 25, at least within my circle of friends, those who chose that path lack the nuanced reasoning skills. This has been highlighted by their engagement with dubious content, such as the misinformation about square blood cells and other COVID related BS on Facebook.

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Student visa holders are responsible for the large majority of costly student misconduct cases driven by creative cheating methods such as artificial intelligence, with one university investigating 10 times the number of international students than domestic students.

There are now claims Labor’s international student caps could push quality foreign students away from Australian universities to other countries, exacerbating the problem.

At the University of Sydney, 999 of 1259 cases (close to 80 per cent) of student misconduct received by the Student Affairs Unit in 2023 identified student visa holders as respondents. That’s more than 10 times the number of cases for domestic students.

Most of these cases were related to academic misconduct, including online exam cheating detected through a proctoring service, and contract cheating due to the growth in AI cases, with the rest related to discrimination, bullying and harassment, according to Sydney University’s 2023 Annual Report of Student Misconduct.

Separate 2023 academic integrity data released by the university revealed almost 100 per cent of exam misconduct referrals to the Student Affairs Unit involved international students – with 616 relating to undergraduate students and 265 to postgraduate students.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/80-per-cent-of-students-misconduct-involves-international-students/news-story/670dca965a12dbe8b11a0202c36fa05f

chimera wrote on Sep 17^th, 2024 at 11:00am:

I wrote poetry with a small p, her words were poetic rather than mathematical. If she had said 'no rapes' or 'most of Jewish women in Israel' that would be demonstrably false. There's also a question, was she teaching the comment to uni students as a fact of current news or was it in the pub?  The word 'mass' carries a sense of majority not minority. Do you say the majority of women were raped in the area of attack, a minority or you don't know enough to say how many?

Is this Tapdancing for Beginners, 101?

Please answer the question. Feel free to apply the highest  ethical, professional and legal standards. Numeracy will be valued equally with literacy. Plagiarism is unacceptable but tapdancing is fine.

     The void of free speech are that media forums cut off free speech debate on subject causes using simple ‘as it happened’ awareness news of: domestic violence; gambling addiction; alcohol addiction; school education mental stresses punishes human thinking awareness; school education controls what humans believe using controlled stories propaganda examples using history’s political and present day news story’s short statement audience’s hurried poor thinking self-concluded simplified analogies favouring governing propaganda.

     My constant posts argue school education long hours of forced labour mental stress are teaching children, continued into teenager years, to remember short streams of hurried through data to complete exams, so as students not to think whether data is truthful and or brain programming manipulative, and that any attempts to spend time to think whether data is to be doubted slows processing data onto blank text pages before time limits expire and or increased teacher must do tasks are piled on to existing forced tasks adding increased punishing memory functions mental stresses inducing a sense of repressed fight or flight getting angry behaviours.

     Long term school education years of enduring mental stresses are continued as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (P.T.S.D.) often spoken about regarding retired military personnel yet not linked back to school education, that military service is about forcing soldiers to endure long periods of hardship under battle conditions, schooling is also about enduring long periods of hardship preventing individual human though remembering analogies so as to prevent self-discovering more rational reasons for imposed government forced labours during war often resulting in death, going to war against people in foreign lands, exampling Vietnam (can’t win wars using police action tactics) and or increased economic hardship such as RBA increasing interest rates after a period of lower interest rate property boom borrowing.

     To many people believing they’re highly educated, the many hours experienced remembering data formulated to be analysed exampling studying and analysing  Shakespeare, I suggest life away from above paragraph ideas having ended schooling, feeling being a winner over the many unsuccessful classroom competitors delusions to merely access a life of easier employment, narcissism feeling superior over others created to repress years of mental stress, believing in the system that educated them, the years of paying university fees, the prolonged debt, delayed marriage and birth of first child all must be justified by strong beliefs the governing system to be truthful and transparently honest.
     Politicians personal integrity and introduced government legislation into parliament intended ‘not’ to pass having been blocked exampling resent housing blocked by Greens party is good propaganda for separation between political parties propaganda easily analysed by educated people to believe simple analogy beliefs.
     I add, the Greens and Liberal Parties are following establishment instructions to block Labor Party attempts to be seen doing something about increasing housing supplies.

     Where I strongly suggest several hundreds years of tuning school education since the end of Roman Catholic controlling laws domination invented stupid beliefs money scamming and heresy inquisition terrorism, present day school education allows humans to ‘feel happy’ to be held in the dark, believing an economic system of many business interests free market capitalism is responsible for economic health.
     I recon society is more a military industrial society ruled from a top committee structure with many in between boardroom committees deciding whom gets what employment opportunities somewhat according to education degrees and school teacher and previous employer comments within the corporate and many off shoot entities: shops; clubs; pubs; entertainment venues…. structures, which people don’t believe exists (because they’ve not told such committee entities exists), especially the most narcissistic educated inner brain chemically rewarded for knowing everything achievers.

     School students whom least succeed yet are forced to carry out school related tasks, whom can’t keep up with teacher forced tasks, display poor hand writing skills to be further marked down, being hurried to complete tasks, stress cortisol induced adrenaline inner brain fight or flight self-forced to repress displaying anger on being forced to complete more tasks, parents forcing children to complete homework tasks, long term many repressed angry teenagers commit crimes in revenge for school and parent authority abuses, yet no media forums contributing teenager youth crime towards school education forced labours, somewhat blame parents for poor child guidance.

     The 6 months or more of listening to the ABC The Drum program during 2021, paid to appear guests including the few university educated psychologists all of whom have self-interests in returning to ABC forums for more paid commenting statements whom are going to follow scripted guidelines of what may be said on issues needing statements.

     Free speech is a myth occasionally stated on media as existing when selective topics are repressed. Organised street marches for striking workers over increased pay and street marches on Gaza are reported in news stories. I haven’t seen news stories about street marches being held on RBA increased interest rates squeezing money out of borrowers, protesting a false inflation fighting theory, probable protesters in fear of being jailed losing employment eventually losing home.

     When introducing unknown ideas to people, people’s school learning stress repressed traumas having ended years ago are still present in subconscious fight or flight instant reaction memories, people having been school students added mental stress due to processing new data increased traumas were being repressed, after having left school learning forced tasks, new data brings to awareness those feared added onto existing tasks learning traumas anger. People introducing new ideas a significant push back inner brain fight or flight reactions openly displaying anger in order that new data flow will stop.
     I have heard from paid by government to believe what they’re told, narcissist pride in they’re faked (racist; class pride) intelligence school teachers “schooling teaches youth to learn”. I say the opposite.

     I had suddenly invented a theory that racist beliefs are increased due to separation of races and religions in schools. Students educated in separate schools exampling pre-1960s southern USA states laws on negro separation from white skinned people school education, Australian Catholic schools from public schools and now public school from private schools whom private school students eventual employment in good executive paying jobs, based on same private schools upper management came from. Theory being that students feel brain chemical rewarded believing being superior over others, school teachers encouraging students do better than other students in exams competitive spirit, overflowing into sports enthusiasm. Team spirit encourages group thought, group thought to win must have losers, that every other of none appearance to what groups are chosen are inferior. That some other group must be inferior to feel superior to feel narcissistic brain chemical rewards used to self-medicate depression PTSD.

     Media news’ monthly reminder of angry men murdering women partners news readers sounding tone concerns, at the end provide help phone numbers, those above mentioned teenagers getting angry towards women teachers and parent mothers for forcing increasing tasks, confirmed by a spoken about retired primary school principle is a known idea by education department heads.
     Media mentioned online bullying causing a number of young females to commit suicide I suggest has to do with teenagers whom feel demoralised by better achieving students within classrooms, fight and flight brains feel rewarded by demoralising other teenagers especially better achieving students. Human lost empathy for others would have been useful during times of war when having been given a weapon, told to kill or be killed.
     Religion in the bible have Revelations at the end. Old Catholic religion would have said “women can have as many children as they like, yet a time will come when an Apocalypse event will bring back balance”.

steve9

Why multiculturalism must be abolished:

https://x.com/ChavuraStephen/status/1901846063650332929

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 9:55am:

You raise a lot of valid points. While it is true that the education system is shaped and influenced by those in positions of power, it is important to recognise that higher education, particularly at the university level, is where the cultivation of critical thinking is most rigorously pursued. Universities serve as environments where individuals are not merely encouraged but required to challenge established ideas, question underlying assumptions, and engage with a diverse array of perspectives. This, perhaps, explains the animosity directed towards such institutions by those who benefit from maintaining a population that is compliant and uncritical. Institutions that foster independent thought are viewed as threats by the very powers that would prefer a workforce of obedient, unquestioning individuals. Thus, they exploit societal divisions and label these bastions of intellectual growth with derogatory terms such as 'woke factories,' 'liberal indoctrination camps,' 'echo chambers,' and 'Marxist breeding grounds,' all as part of a broader strategy of control. In fact, for students pursuing a science-based path even during their senior years of high school, the foundation for critical thinking is already being established. The emphasis shifts from rote memorisation to the comprehension of complex concepts, the resolution of intricate problems, and the formation of reasoned conclusions grounded in empirical evidence. It is easy to criticise the system from a position of limited exposure, particularly if one’s education ceases at a more basic level. However, those who continue their education often acquire the intellectual tools necessary to not only see through propaganda but also to critically evaluate and interpret the world around them. Ironically, the same system that is often criticised is the very one that equips individuals with the cognitive framework to question its authority effectively. Higher education does more than impart knowledge,it teaches individuals how to think. And in that lies true empowerment.

Not anymore it's not.

The exact opposite is happening as the indoctrination by leftist lecturers and professors continues at breakneck speed.

Critical thinking is 1 skill our University students are not being taught.

chimera wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 12:50pm:

Another example is Peter Ridd who was sacked from James Cook uni for abnormal views on the barrier reef and for misconduct. The judge said James Cook University had "not understood the whole concept of intellectual freedom".

Yes what JCU did to Peter Ridd was a travesty - they were protecting their funding - not their scientific integrity, which Ridd had exposed as false.

Science for hire/bought science - Climate Change Alarmism is where the money is at.

Same goes on at the CSIRO.

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 5:30pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 11:39am: I actually worked in universities in senior positions for decades.. Head janitor were you  ::)

More Mud Guido!

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 17^th, 2024 at 6:55am:

I wish people could this into their HEADS ! 1. Australia has NO guarantee of freedom of speech - nor a Bill of Rights Canada, New Zealand, the UK and the US - along with most of the rest of the world, DO 2. Australia does NOT have a treaty with its indigenous people, so technically, white Australia is still at WAR with indigenous Australia. .

Australia never was at war with Indigenous Australians.

That's why there isn't a treaty nor should there ever be one.  ::)

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 11:39am:

I actually worked in universities in senior positions for decades. I speak from first hand experience.

So did I, Soren, Universities, or at least the ones where I worked, valued free expression and freedom of speech.  I worked at Left wing universities and Right wing ones and they were all similar.  Occasionally I ran across some lunatic lecturer such as yourself but they were a minority, thankfully.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Gnads wrote on Mar 19^th, 2025 at 11:48am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 5:30pm: Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 11:39am: I actually worked in universities in senior positions for decades.. Head janitor were you  ::) More Mud Guido!

you'll have to ask the janitor ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 19^th, 2025 at 12:02pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 11:39am: I actually worked in universities in senior positions for decades. I speak from first hand experience. So did, Soren and Universities, or at least the ones where I worked, valued free expression and freedom of speech.  I worked at Left wing universities and Right wing ones and they were all similar.  Occassionaly I ran across some lunatic lecturer such as yourself but they were a minority, thankfully.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

;D Yeah you're one --- of the many that now infest our Universities.

Quote:

NSW Premier Chris Minns says that repealing ‘hate speech’ laws would send a toxic message to the community, and admits that we don’t have U.S.-style free speech because he wants to preserve multiculturalism. https://x.com/ausvstheagenda/status/1901779599945875855

Labor said free speech must be restricted to preserve multiculturalism

If multiculturalism is working why does free speech need restricting to preserve it?

Were we asked if free speech should be restricted to preserve the failure of multiculturalism?

The poster named steve9 would be an AI spam bot. The text is auto translated with wrong syntax and abnormal word-use and mixed topics in one post. The themes are subversive, generally about Australian education, and probably are sent from Russia-China.

chimera wrote on Mar 21^st, 2025 at 6:04am:

The poster named steve9 would be an AI spam bot. The text is auto translated with wrong syntax and abnormal word-use and mixed topics in one post. The themes are subversive, generally about Australian education, and probably are sent from Russia-China.

His posts are too long to read -

he needs to make them short and punchy
as I doubt anyone ever reads them.   ::)

Do you mean he exists?