https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/labor-smacks-greens-for-grandstanding-at-cfmeu-anti-albanese-protest-20240827-p5k5u3.html

Seems everyone hates Albo?

Labor and LNP and Greens should be scared the People's Liberation Front Of Australia don't finally rise up in their righteous wrath and demand that the overly centralised in the capital cities states be dismembered and created anew into smaller and more manageable states - just like they did when they separated Victoria and Queensland from 'New South Wales'.

It is clear that the thinking of those who are city dwellers does not gel with that of those who are not - and far too often theories are presented as realities by those far away in capital cities who do not have a direct finger on the pulse of their chosen issue(s)... i.e. are out of touch and have, as I said earlier about Plebeian Seeker, have first honed their own ignorance and often stupidity, and then have cultivated it in the ivory tower gardens surrounded by mega-wealth and public money to burn.

The capital cities, by virtue of being relatively small in area, crowded and isolated, are prime breeding grounds for that which most people consider anathema to any democracy - overly strong overly centralised government.  Smaller states can deal more effectively with social issues in their region than some distant Big Brother steeped in social science book larnin'.

The time has come, mes enfants, for the people to demand that the number of states be increased and for the current huge states with their centralised and out of touch governments be dismantled.  Even a superficial look will tell you that the size of most of our states is ridiculous and that is why they are unmanageable.

I'll re-do the map for Secessionist Queensland for yez, and will begin on a few others... NSW first....

That is one firm step - you decide if it is positive or negative - towards resolution of many of our current social malaises.

Daves2017 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2024 at 11:09pm:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/labor-smacks-greens-for-grandstanding-at-cfmeu-anti-albanese-protest-20240827-p5k5u3.html Seems everyone hates Albo?

Shees - even the CFMEU big, sweaty, hairy-chested Unionists (unlike the nurses, firies and coppers who are 'civilised' Unionists when on strikes - a 'better class' of Commo) - called Albo Albonazi!!

I like it!  It could have value as a weapon of words..... though those words won't wound him inside (Cher's song) - he may be a marshmallow who puts on a tough act for the cameras - but he is a very word-absorbent marshmallow.  They just bounce off the soft rubbery texture and fail to penetrate even if they don't bounce off - sort of political reactive armour.

I see right through him......

Lets hope the Greens and the Teal independents, do well at the next election.  Hopefully they will increase their numbers.   :)

Don’t mind the teals but the greens are wreckers and neoliberals. Australia would be rather greener without the bloody Greens.

Daves2017 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2024 at 11:09pm:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/labor-smacks-greens-for-grandstanding-at-cfmeu-anti-albanese-protest-20240827-p5k5u3.html Seems everyone hates Albo?

That's because Albo and Chalmers, like the Coalition, has fallen for Thatcher's neoliberal low-tax, and hence low government spending regime, meaning public schools and hospitals are underfunded.

At least the Greens have the integrity to insist on higher taxes, to deliver adequate public services.

The Conservatives  of course are driven by personal enrichment at the expense of the general welfare, hence entrenched poverty and soaring inequality, as Labor also appeals to self-interest via the ever-lower taxes regime.   

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 28^th, 2024 at 12:00pm:

Don’t mind the teals but the greens are wreckers and neoliberals. Australia would be rather greener without the bloody Greens.

Greens "neoliberals"?

You are confused; the Greens want you - and the wealthy - to pay higher taxes.

Neoliberalism wants private sector markets to determine wealth distribution.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 28^th, 2024 at 12:14am:

The time has come, mes enfants, for the people to demand that the number of states be increased and for the current huge states with their centralised and out of touch governments be dismantled.

 

Wrong as usual, Gough was right: the states should be abolished, and replaced with local councils, to stop the buck passing between the states and the Commonwealth

(Councils would be financed by the Commnwealth on a needs basis; public hospitals, public schools and  public transport would be funded by the Oz treasury, Oz wide).   

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 28^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 28th, 2024 at 12:00pm: Don’t mind the teals but the greens are wreckers and neoliberals. Australia would be rather greener without the bloody Greens. Greens "neoliberals"? You are confused; the Greens want you - and the wealthy - to pay higher taxes. Neoliberalism wants private sector markets to determine wealth distribution.

look at how the buggers vote, not the mellifluous crap they spew out to the deluded like White Knight.

The wealthy should pay higher taxes. Good on the greens.   :)   

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 28^th, 2024 at 12:02pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Aug 27th, 2024 at 11:09pm: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/labor-smacks-greens-for-grandstanding-at-cfmeu-anti-albanese-protest-20240827-p5k5u3.html Seems everyone hates Albo? That's because Albo and Chalmers, like the Coalition, has fallen for Thatcher's neoliberal low-tax, and hence low government spending regime, meaning public schools and hospitals are underfunded. At least the Greens have the integrity to insist on higher taxes, to deliver adequate public services. The Conservatives  of course are driven by personal enrichment at the expense of the general welfare, hence entrenched poverty and soaring inequality, as Labor also appeals to self-interest via the ever-lower taxes regime.

they need to be much much lower

starve the beast

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 28^th, 2024 at 12:02pm:

At least the Greens have the integrity to insist on higher taxes, to deliver adequate public services.

thats why they are a third wheel instead of being the driver.

Jo public will generally not vote for higher taxes. Every single time they have an opportunity to step up, they baulk, instead opting for the $3 week tax cuts ...

Yes Mr Bandt the greens are right.  We need a Robin Hood type tax.   :)

whiteknight wrote on Aug 28^th, 2024 at 6:23pm:

Yes Mr Bandt the greens are right.  We need a Robin Hood type tax.   :)

Umm - I believe many large corporations pay very little tax as a percentage of their profits -
especially ones like Google.

The Greens are a risk, they're not going to be able to take votes from the Libs or the Nats, they're going to come from Labor.

A lot of what the Greens want to implement are easy to support, especially for the younger Australians, BUT, there Greens will never be in a position to have to implement them.

If Labor adopts them, the Greens will want to push them too far since they don't need to be responsible for their implementation and want all the credit.

Long story short, the road back to the next Liberal / National Government is paved with Green Bricks.

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 28^th, 2024 at 12:13pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 28th, 2024 at 12:14am: The time has come, mes enfants, for the people to demand that the number of states be increased and for the current huge states with their centralised and out of touch governments be dismantled.   Wrong as usual, Gough was right: the states should be abolished, and replaced with local councils, to stop the buck passing between the states and the Commonwealth (Councils would be financed by the Commnwealth on a needs basis; public hospitals, public schools and  public transport would be funded by the Oz treasury, Oz wide).

I'm never wrong - local councils are the worst.  As usual - you are merely jealous that I have the answers and you have none.  Not my fault.... I Yam What I Yam ....

The greens hold the balance of power in the senate.  Yes there is a good chance the greens can increase their numbers.  Not just in the Senate, but also in the house of Representatives.  People are looking for change.  Not just labor, liberal, labor, liberal, labor, liberal.  Whatever people think of the greens, they do have some very good ideas.  So whoever does win government be it labor or liberal, it might be a good idea to start negotiating with the greens.   :)            

whiteknight wrote on Aug 28^th, 2024 at 6:23pm:

Yes Mr Bandt the greens are right.  We need a Robin Hood type tax.   :)

He's never been right on anything.

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whiteknight wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 8:24pm:

The greens hold the balance of power in the senate.  Yes there is a good chance the greens can increase their numbers.  Not just in the Senate, but also in the house of Representatives.  People are looking for change.  Not just labor, liberal, labor, liberal, labor, liberal.  Whatever people think of the greens, they do have some very good ideas.  So whoever does win government be it labor or liberal, it might be a good idea to start negotiating with the greens.   :)

'I am more than happy for the State to give me my Rights; what is not acceptable is that the State attempt to compel me to accept its Wrongs, nor that it demand that I accept a trade-off between Right and Wrong - that in return for some Right, I should accept equal or greater Wrong'.
- Rastus Xavier.

That, to me, is the essence of the Greens.  A few right things is not enough when accompanied by some very bad things.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28^th, 2024 at 4:46pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 28th, 2024 at 12:02pm: Daves2017 wrote on Aug 27th, 2024 at 11:09pm: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/labor-smacks-greens-for-grandstanding-at-cfmeu-anti-albanese-protest-20240827-p5k5u3.html Seems everyone hates Albo? That's because Albo and Chalmers, like the Coalition, has fallen for Thatcher's neoliberal low-tax, and hence low government spending regime, meaning public schools and hospitals are underfunded. At least the Greens have the integrity to insist on higher taxes, to deliver adequate public services. The Conservatives  of course are driven by personal enrichment at the expense of the general welfare, hence entrenched poverty and soaring inequality, as Labor also appeals to self-interest via the ever-lower taxes regime.    they need to be much much lower starve the beast

You secretly fomenting the Revolution?

Cool.....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 29^th, 2024 at 12:38pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 28th, 2024 at 12:13pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 28th, 2024 at 12:14am: The time has come, mes enfants, for the people to demand that the number of states be increased and for the current huge states with their centralised and out of touch governments be dismantled.   Wrong as usual, Gough was right: the states should be abolished, and replaced with local councils, to stop the buck passing between the states and the Commonwealth (Councils would be financed by the Commnwealth on a needs basis; public hospitals, public schools and  public transport would be funded by the Oz treasury, Oz wide).    I'm never wrong - local councils are the worst.  As usual - you are merely jealous that I have the answers and you have none.  Not my fault.... I Yam What I Yam ....

You piting your intelligence againt Gough's (...laughter is the best medicine).

Local councils should be amalgamated into regional governments  - Gough's plan for 2 levels of government instead of the present ridiculous 3 levels, with the nation's purse strings managed by the national government to stop the buck passing.   

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 11:57am:

whiteknight wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 8:24pm: The greens hold the balance of power in the senate.  Yes there is a good chance the greens can increase their numbers.  Not just in the Senate, but also in the house of Representatives.  People are looking for change.  Not just labor, liberal, labor, liberal, labor, liberal.  Whatever people think of the greens, they do have some very good ideas.  So whoever does win government be it labor or liberal, it might be a good idea to start negotiating with the greens.   :)             'I am more than happy for the State to give me my Rights; what is not acceptable is that the State attempt to compel me to accept its Wrongs, nor that it demand that I accept a trade-off between Right and Wrong - that in return for some Right, I should accept equal or greater Wrong'. - Rastus Xavier. That, to me, is the essence of the Greens.  A few right things is not enough when accompanied by some very bad things.

Is that not every political party?

Albo has done some good things.
His also been completely and utterly useless on others.

I suggest Tony Abbot fixed our great goat track known as the pacific highway but is obviously one our worse PMs in history.

Our system of government is such that every party has to negotiate to legislate.

This allows different views on the same subject and more often ends in amendments that improve the law or water it down so much it’s completely useless.

Our system of government I believe is fantastic , it’s just the pathetic / criminals/ child sex offenders individuals that we have to choose from to form the government that’s the issue