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Message started by Bobby. on Aug 9th, 2024 at 10:22pm

Title: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9th, 2024 at 10:22pm

This is big news.

Ukraine invades Russia




https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/08/europe/russia-ukrainian-incursion-intl/index.html


‘Furious battles are underway’: Kursk residents call on Putin for help after Ukrainian incursion


Jim Sciutto
By Daria Tarasova, Jim Sciutto, Allegra Goodwin, Tim Lister, and Ivana Kottasová, CNN
7 minute read
Updated 10:44 PM EDT, Thu August 8, 2024


A building burns in the Russian town of Sudzha following Ukraine's incursion into Kursk region, August 7, 2024.
Mic Izvestia/IZ.RU/Reuters




https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/09/europe/russia-lipetsk-kursk-ukraine-zelensky-intl/index.html

Ukraine launches ‘massive’ drone strike on Russia’s Lipetsk region, as cross-border attack rages on

By Christian Edwards, Olga Voitovych, Victoria Butenko and Alex Stambaugh, CNN
3 minute read
Updated 7:16 AM EDT, Fri August 9, 2024



Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9th, 2024 at 10:28pm
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/08/07/yesterday-ukraine-invaded-russia-today-the-ukrainians-marched-nearly-10-miles-whatever-kyiv-aims-to-achieve-its-taking-a-huge-risk/


Today, The Ukrainians Marched Nearly 10 Miles.
Whatever Kyiv Aims To Achieve, It’s Taking A Huge Risk.

Ukrainian commanders have deployed their last few spare troops across the border into Russia.

Yesterday, elements of at least two Ukrainian army brigades—apparently not including pro-Ukrainian Russian fighters, as we initially reported—exploited a gap in the defenses around the village of Sudzha, in Kursk Oblast on the Russian side of Ukraine’s northern border.

A day later, hundreds of Ukrainian troops from (at least) the 22nd and 88th Mechanized Brigades supported by artillery, drones and air defenses have marched nearly 10 miles into southern Russia, routing local Russian forces and capturing Sudzha along with several other villages.

It’s an impressive feat for an army that has been on the defensive for a whole year—and which has struggled to mobilize sufficient manpower to hold off relentless but costly Russian assaults all the front line in eastern Ukraine.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9th, 2024 at 10:29pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4y3529v7vo


Ukraine's incursion shows Russia's war is not going to plan


1 day ago


Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine was conceived in the Kremlin as a short, sharp military operation.

The expectation was that it would take a matter of days, a few weeks maximum, for Russia to establish control over its neighbour.

That was nearly two-and-a-half years ago.

The war in Ukraine rages on. It has not gone at all as Moscow had intended.

But here’s the thing. Over the last 29 months, so often we’ve heard senior Russian officials claiming that the operation is going “according to plan.”

President Vladimir Putin last said that in May, despite everything that had happened in the preceding two years: the heavy Russian casualties on the battlefield, the destruction of multiple Russian warships in the Black Sea, drone attacks deep inside Russia (even on the Kremlin itself), the shelling of Russian towns and villages near the Ukrainian border, the mutiny by Wagner mercenary fighters who had marched on Moscow.

Now there is a new addition to the list: this week’s cross-border Ukrainian assault on Russia’s Kursk region.

First, a disclaimer: it’s difficult to know exactly what is happening right now in the Sudzha district of Kursk region. It is unclear how many Ukrainian troops are there, how much territory they have seized and what their final objective may be.

Today’s edition of the Russian broadsheet Nezavisimaya Gazeta declared: “Events on the Kursk front are shrouded in the notorious fog of war.”

But even in fog, some things are clear.

It’s evident that what is unfolding in Kursk region is further evidence that Russia’s war in Ukraine has not gone "according to plan". Events appear to have taken Russia’s political and military leadership completely by surprise.

Don’t expect Moscow to admit that.

More likely, Russian officials will use the Ukrainian assault to try to rally the Russian public around the government and bolster the official Kremlin narrative that (a) in this conflict Russia is not the aggressor, and (b) Russia is a besieged fortress surrounded by enemies who are plotting to invade and destroy it.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9th, 2024 at 10:32pm

Putin must look stupid now -
he thought he was invading Ukraine and now he's being invaded.      ;D

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by RussiAnVetEraN on Aug 9th, 2024 at 11:30pm
I agree that if this is not the result of a cunning plan by the Russian general Staff or the result of betrayal, then this is a major mistake and a stupid underestimation of the enemy by the leadership of the Russian armed forces.

However, now let's read what the Russian Ministry of Defense says about this.


Statement by Russian Defence Ministry

09.08.2024 (11:40)

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are repelling an attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine against the territory of the Russian Federation.

Over the past 24 hours, units of the Sever (North) Group of Forces and arrived reserves, Army Aviation, and artillery fire foiled enemy attempts to launch raid operations tot the depth of the Russian territory in Kursk direction.

Russian troops launched fire on AFU manpower and hardware close to Daryino, Gogolevka, Melovoy, and Nikolsky, and on the western outskirts of Sudzha.

Five Stryker armoured personnel carriers close to Yuzhnoye and an AFU military convoy made up of one tank, four armoured personnel carriers, and one Kozak armoured fighting vehicle close to Martynovka were eliminated.

Moreover, air and missile strikes hit enemy reserves in Sumy region.

Over the past 24 hours, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have lost over 280 troops and 27 armoured vehicles, to include four tanks, five armoured personnel carries, 18 armoured fighting vehicles, six motor vehicles, one 155-mm M777 howitzer, one 155-mm Krab self-propelled artillery system, and one D-20 gun.

Since the beginning of hostilities in Kursk region, the enemy has lost up to 945 troops and 102 armoured vehicles, including 12 tanks, 17 armoured personnel carriers, six infantry fighting vehicles, 67 armoured fighting vehicles, 12 motor vehicles, two Buk M1 self-propelled artillery systems, and three field artillery guns.

The operation to neutralise the AFU units is in progress.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9th, 2024 at 11:34pm
Dear RussiAnVetEraN,

you shouldn't listen to Putin's propaganda.

Russia has been invaded -
will Zelensky advance to Moscow and hang Putin from a lamp post?


Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by RussiAnVetEraN on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:42am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2024 at 11:34pm:
Dear RussiAnVetEraN,

you shouldn't listen to Putin's propaganda.

Russia has been invaded -
will Zelensky advance to Moscow and hang Putin from a lamp post?


Dear Bobby.

Thank you for your amazing advice.

But I'm used to analyzing information coming from all sides.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 10th, 2024 at 7:10am
Dear RussiAnVetEraN,

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/09/europe/russia-lipetsk-kursk-ukraine-zelensky-intl/index.html


Video shows bodies on burnt-out Russian trucks in Kursk region
as Ukrainian cross-border assaults rage


By Olga Voitovych, Victoria Butenko, Allegra Goodwin, Christian Edwards and Darya Tarasova, CNN
5 minute read

Updated 4:18 PM EDT, Fri August 9, 2024



A video that surfaced online appears to show bodies on burnt-out Russian military trucks in the country’s southwestern Kursk region, the latest sign that Ukraine’s cross-border assault is probing more deeply and inflicting significant damage on Moscow’s troops.

In the daytime video – shared by Russian military bloggers and independent outlets, and geolocated by CNN – about a dozen trucks are seen on the side of a road in the village of Oktyabrskoye, about 8 kilometers (5 miles) east of the town of Rylsk, appearing to contain dozens of dead bodies.

Some of the trucks are completely burnt out, while others are undamaged but still appear to contain the bodies of military personnel.

The video, which a Russian military blogger says shows the aftermath of a Ukrainian strike Thursday night, comes three days after Kyiv shifted tactics with a surprise incursion into Russian territory, prompting the Kremlin to declare a “federal scale” state of emergency on Friday in a region largely untroubled by more than two years of war.

Other online forums provided a window into the scale and geography of the incursion.

Telegram channels Belarusian Silovik and Archangel Spetsnaza reported fighting around Korenevo, a town about 30 miles northwest of Sudzha, an initial focal point of Ukrainian operations.

Dnevnik Desantnika, another Telegram channel, reported that fighting was ongoing near the village of Malaya Loknya, about 11 miles north of Sudzha, and between Cherkasskoe Porechnoe and Russkoe Porechnoe, around 18 miles north of Sudzha.

Rybar, one of the more prominent Russian military blogs, published a roundup of developments Friday that said the front lines have “somewhat stabilized” with the arrival of Russian reinforcements.

Rybar cited local residents of Vtoroye Knyazhino, a settlement on the outskirts of Sudzha, as saying Ukrainian infantry entered their village.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 10th, 2024 at 7:54am
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr7rn98l8kjo

Russia struggles to repel Ukraine's deep Kursk incursion

1 hour ago

Ukrainian troops remained in Russia’s western Kursk region on Friday night, as its surprise cross-border offensive into Russia came to the end of a fourth day.

The Russian defence ministry said it was “continuing to repel” Ukraine’s military, which it claimed had lost more than 280 personnel in the past 24 hours - a figure that has not been independently verified.

Reports suggest that Ukrainian troops are operating more than 10km (six miles) inside Russia - the deepest cross-border advance by Kyiv since Moscow launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Ukraine has not openly admitted the incursion, but President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Thursday that Moscow must "feel" the consequences for its invasion.

Fighting in Kursk has edged gradually closer to a nuclear power plant, prompting the UN nuclear agency to release a statement urging the two sides to “exercise maximum restraint”.

International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief Rafael Grossi appealed to all sides to take measures “to avoid a nuclear accident with the potential for serious radiological consequences”.


Some residents of the Kursk region were evacuated by authorities, with a group pulling into Moscow’s central train station on Friday. One unnamed resident told AFP news agency: "It's terrible. They are bombing.”

Overnight, Ukraine's military said it had struck a military airfield deep inside Russia, destroying a warehouse containing hundreds of glide bombs.

The targeting of the Lipetsk air base, more than 350km (217 miles) from Ukraine's border, is the kind of operation Kyiv has been wanting to do for some time.

The weaponry it managed to destroy in the attack is the very kind Russia has used to terrorise Ukrainian towns, cities and military positions for most of its invasion.

The military's statement also said the airfield was known for housing Russia's Su-34, Su-35 and MiG-31 war planes.

Russian authorities nearby said a state of emergency was in place in the area, confirming what they described as “detonations” at an "energy infrastructure facility". Residents of four nearby villages were being evacuated.

Hours after Ukraine’s strikes, Russia responded by striking a shopping centre in the Ukrainian town of Kostyantynivka, close to the frontline in the eastern Donetsk region, killing at least 14 people and injuring 43, Ukrainian officials say.
Residential buildings, shops and more than a dozen cars were also damaged in the attack.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 10th, 2024 at 9:08am
Situation map in Kursk region on 09/08/2024



Doesn't look good for Ukrainian soldiers.
After initial success in first couple of days Ukrainians got stuck in 10-15 km zone near the border and now started to look like proverbial fish in a barrel.


Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:13pm

tallowood wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 9:08am:
Situation map in Kursk region on 09/08/2024

Doesn't look good for Ukrainian soldiers.
After initial success in first couple of days Ukrainians got stuck in 10-15 km zone near the border and now started to look like proverbial fish in a barrel.


We'll see:
 
Aug 10, 2024

How the Russians Missed It and What Happens Next

Kursk is on fire.
This video explains how Russia didn't see the attack coming and
reviews Russia's alternative courses of action (COAs).



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSoTUPhYfio

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:13pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 9:08am:
Situation map in Kursk region on 09/08/2024

Doesn't look good for Ukrainian soldiers.
After initial success in first couple of days Ukrainians got stuck in 10-15 km zone near the border and now started to look like proverbial fish in a barrel.


We'll see:

Kursk is on fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSoTUPhYfiio


That guy is moron, Kursk is more then 100km away from where bandera terror group has stuck in the fish barrel trap.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:41pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/battles-rage-russia-kremlin-struggles-141252603.html


“If we take a step back, it looks to me like the first time that
Ukraine’s state forces have invaded Russia,


” Frank Ledwidge, a former British military intelligence officer and senior lecturer in war studies at England’s University of Portsmouth, told NBC News. “That’s very significant.”

Russia’s defense ministry has boasted that Ukrainian troops had been stopped, but has yet to report pushing Kyiv’s forces back across the border.

Military command said that some 1,000 Ukrainian soldiers, backed by tanks and military vehicles, were involved in the initial attack. Federal authorities have declared a state of national emergency and thousands of people have been evacuated from Kursk amid reports of civilian casualties and destruction.

On Friday, the ministry said it was sending new reinforcements to the area. It shared videos showing columns of heavy armor headed toward Kursk, and Russian jets bombing what it said were Ukrainian troops and equipment on Russian territory.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 10th, 2024 at 1:05pm

Quote:
“If we take a step back, it looks to me like the first time that
Ukraine’s state forces have invaded Russia,


They did similar attempt in Belgorod region last year.



Quote:
Russia’s defense ministry has boasted that Ukrainian troops had been stopped, but has yet to report pushing Kyiv’s forces back across the border.


Why should they when they can shoot them like fish in a barrel. They did that in Belgorod region last year.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 10th, 2024 at 6:24pm
'According to Russia, Ukrainian advances in the border area were stopped about 500 kilometres southwest of Moscow. However, military bloggers and open-source data indicate that Ukrainian troops have made gains in several areas in Kursk.
The fighting in Kursk has received considerable attention by Russian media. Much of the coverage concerned the humanitarian situation – children being taken to shelters on buses as well as people from other Russian regions gathered food, diapers and other supplies to be sent to Kursk.'

Food and diapers.  Uncle Vlad sent the boys to get Zelensky without food or fuel for tanks.  He got elected by killing his opponent so he must be the best available. 

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by RussiAnVetEraN on Aug 10th, 2024 at 11:16pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 7:10am:
Dear RussiAnVetEraN,

Video shows bodies on burnt-out Russian trucks in Kursk region
as Ukrainian cross-border assaults rage


By Olga Voitovych, Victoria Butenko, Allegra Goodwin, Christian Edwards and Darya Tarasova, CNN
5 minute read

Updated 4:18 PM EDT, Fri August 9, 2024


Dear Bobby.

I watched the video carefully. And I do not understand why the convoy of trucks was damaged, and the asphalt of the road, nearby houses and their fences remained completely intact.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by RussiAnVetEraN on Aug 10th, 2024 at 11:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 7:54am:
Russia struggles to repel Ukraine's deep Kursk incursion

The Russian defence ministry said it was “continuing to repel” Ukraine’s military, which it claimed had lost more than
Some residents of the Kursk region were evacuated by authorities, with a group pulling into Moscow’s central train station on Friday. One unnamed resident told AFP news agency: "It's terrible. They are bombing.”


I wonder what they mean when they talk about the "Moscow central train station"?  ::)

There are many train stations in Moscow. For example, Belarusian, Kiev, Leningrad, Kursk, Kazan, Yaroslavl, etc.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by RussiAnVetEraN on Aug 11th, 2024 at 12:34am
And now let's read the official Russian source of information.



Statement by Russian Defence Ministry

10.08.2024 (12:05)

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue to repel the AFU attempt to invade the territory of the Russian Federation.
Over the 24 hours, the active actions of the Sever Group of Forces and arrived reserves, Army Aviation and artillery strikes thwarted the attempts of the enemy's mobile groups to get to the depth of the Russian territory near Ivashkovskoye, Malaya Loknya, and Olgovka.

Fire damage was inflicted on the AFU manpower and hardware near Nikolayevo-Daryino, Gusevo, Lyubimovka, Zeleniy Shliyakh, and Sverdlikovo.

Aviation and missile troops delivered strikes at the enemy's reserves on the territory of Sumy region.

Up to 15 Ukrainian troops were eliminated as a result of a strike by a missile equipped with a thermobaric warhead at a temporary deployment area of foreign mercenaries on the southern outskirts of Sudzha.

Over the past 24, the AFU losses have amounted to up to 175 Ukrainian troops and 36 units of hardware, including 10 tanks, three armoured personnel carriers, two infantry fighting vehicles, 21 armoured fighting vehicles, one motor vehicle, three field artillery howitzers, and one BM-21 Grad MLRS combat vehicle.

Since the beginning of hostilities in Kursk region, the AFU losses amounted to up to 1,120 Ukrainian troops, 140 units of hardware, including 22 tanks, 20 armoured personnel carriers, eight infantry fighting vehicles, 88 armoured fighting vehicles, 13 motor vehicles, two Buk-M1 self-propelled SAM systems, one BM-21 Grad MLRS combat vehicle, and six field artillery howitzers.

The operation to neutralise the AFU units is in progress.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Daves2017 on Aug 11th, 2024 at 10:32am
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y87gk729do


Does anyone have a idea why they have attack this particular area of Russia?

It obviously cannot be held. Is it just a bold warning or perhaps a attempt to destabilize Russia.

It must be a shock to Moscow to suddenly have thousands of refugees arrive by train to escape Ukraine.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 11th, 2024 at 10:43am
Does anyone have a idea why they have attack this particular area of Russia?
answer : It must be a shock to Moscow to suddenly have thousands of refugees arrive by train to escape Ukraine.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 11th, 2024 at 12:12pm

Daves2017 wrote on Aug 11th, 2024 at 10:32am:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y87gk729do
Does anyone have a idea why they have attack this particular area of Russia?


There was a gap in the defense line in that part of border manned by only border guards unit (national service conscripts).
It  was either f#ck up in Russian general defense strategy or bait to get the fish into the barrel.




Quote:
It obviously cannot be held. Is it just a bold warning or perhaps a attempt to destabilize Russia.


The only rational in military sense is an attempt to draw Russian resources from other directions where Ukraine steadily loosing ground.
Also the attack coincided with reported F16 arrival to  Ukraine. So again it  can be attempt to draw Russian air  reconnaissance and assault resources away to get time for hiding and preparing F16s. 
Also media effect for creating "all is well" narrative by Kiev regime.
 


Quote:
It must be a shock to Moscow to suddenly have thousands of refugees arrive by train to escape Ukraine.


There  were over 1.2 million refugees from Ukraine  recorded in Russia in 2023 and more then 4 millions after illegal overthrow of democratically elected government in 2014 so "thousands" hardly would make a difference.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Daves2017 on Aug 11th, 2024 at 12:22pm

tallowood wrote on Aug 11th, 2024 at 12:12pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Aug 11th, 2024 at 10:32am:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y87gk729do
Does anyone have a idea why they have attack this particular area of Russia?


There was a gap in the defense line in that part of border manned by only border guards unit (national service conscripts).
It  was either f#ck up in Russian general defense strategy or bait to get the fish into the barrel.




Quote:
It obviously cannot be held. Is it just a bold warning or perhaps a attempt to destabilize Russia.


The only rational in military sense is an attempt to draw Russian resources from other directions where Ukraine steadily loosing ground.
Also the attack coincided with reported F16 arrival to  Ukraine. So again it  can be attempt to draw Russian air  reconnaissance and assault resources away to get time for hiding and preparing F16s. 
Also media effect for creating "all is well" narrative by Kiev regime.
 

[quote]It must be a shock to Moscow to suddenly have thousands of refugees arrive by train to escape Ukraine.


There  were over 1.2 million refugees from Ukraine  recorded in Russia in 2023 and more then 4 millions after illegal overthrow of democratically elected government in 2014 so "thousands" hardly would make a difference.
[/quote]

Thankyou, all that makes sense, particularly buying time for f16 to become operational.

It seems a awful lot of resources Ukraine to waste just on a pr exercise.

It's day five now I believe and they are still advancing so who knows how it will end.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 11th, 2024 at 1:09pm
Here is the map of general situation on 10/08/2024 to put things into perspective.


The more detailed map of the Kursk region affected by theUkrainian offensive.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 11th, 2024 at 1:32pm

tallowood wrote on Aug 11th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
There  were over 1.2 million refugees from Ukraine  recorded in Russia in 2023 and more then 4 millions after illegal overthrow of democratically elected government in 2014 so "thousands" hardly would make a difference.

However, those weren't Russians from inside Russia. Big daddy Putin has left the building.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by RussiAnVetEraN on Aug 12th, 2024 at 12:05am

Daves2017 wrote on Aug 11th, 2024 at 10:32am:
Does anyone have a idea why they have attack this particular area of Russia?


First, we need to ask another question. Are there many regions of Russia bordering Ukraine now?

The answer is that if we do not consider the areas through which the front passes, then there are only three of them: Bryansk, Kursk and Belgorod.

There is a Nuclear Power Plant in the Kursk region, 60 km from the border with Ukraine.




Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 12th, 2024 at 4:33am
Kursk only exports to countries like Uzbekistan and Moldova. It should be annexed by Ukraine to develop Kyiv's security aspiration and F16 base.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 12th, 2024 at 7:26am

tallowood wrote on Aug 11th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
The only rational in military sense is an attempt to draw Russian resources from other directions where Ukraine steadily loosing ground.
Also the attack coincided with reported F16 arrival to  Ukraine. So again it  can be attempt to draw Russian air  reconnaissance and assault resources away to get time for hiding and preparing F16s. 


Updated map in connection with the events in the zone of the SVO from August 7 to 10, 2024.
General territorial changes +13.6 km² to AFRu


Doesn't look like AFU actions in Kursk region changed Russian progress on main directions.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 12th, 2024 at 7:33am
Zelensky is invading because he wants to become the King of Russia.


Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tickleandrose on Aug 13th, 2024 at 3:08pm
I have a different view.  I believe this invasion actually showed that perhaps Ukraine and Russia is not that far away from negotiations.   For Ukraine, the main priority is to get as many bargaining chips onto the table as possible, so that the final condition / agreement would be more favourable.   Ukraine is using 1000 troops - which is relatively small in number, to attempt to gain more negotiation power.  I mean, with just 1000 troops, it is impossible for such a small force to invade, and then hold on to any territory permanently.   And on the other hand, even if every thing goes pear shaped, it is still ‘only’ 1000 troops in grand scheme of things, and good for optics - as it is the first time Ukraine able to penetrate Russian territory. 

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 13th, 2024 at 3:46pm

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 3:08pm:
I have a different view.  I believe this invasion actually showed that perhaps Ukraine and Russia is not that far away from negotiations.   For Ukraine, the main priority is to get as many bargaining chips onto the table as possible, so that the final condition / agreement would be more favourable. 

It is a part of the packet. They also have to show military results to get more money from sponsors but will they be able to hold on the ground till negotiations start and at what price?


Quote:
Ukraine is using 1000 troops - which is relatively small in number, to attempt to gain more negotiation power.  I mean, with just 1000 troops, it is impossible for such a small force to invade, and then hold on to any territory permanently.   And on the other hand, even if every thing goes pear shaped, it is still ‘only’ 1000 troops in grand scheme of things, and good for optics - as it is the first time Ukraine able to penetrate Russian territory. 


Now AFU moved in more troops so it is 5 brigades with maybe 10000 personnel all up. However they seem to use lots of armour.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 13th, 2024 at 4:08pm
Sounds like a good strategy to force the Russians to spread their resources thin. Ukraine has won back a lot of territory from Russia, concentrating action on the remaining frontline.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 13th, 2024 at 4:50pm

freediver wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 4:08pm:
Sounds like a good strategy to force the Russians to spread their resources thin. Ukraine has won back a lot of territory from Russia, concentrating action on the remaining frontline.


That didn't work this far, Russians keep advancing on strategically important directions while there are increased number of photo/video content with destroyed Ukrainian armour and killed bodies from Kursk region in last couple of days. Russia has superior air power while AFRu armour matches AFU if not better.


Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Daves2017 on Aug 13th, 2024 at 7:42pm
From the little I'm reading they are still advancing.

Russian must be wondering after years of war why they are now being invaded?


Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 13th, 2024 at 9:21pm

tallowood wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 4:50pm:
there are increased number of photo/video content with destroyed Ukrainian armour and killed bodies from Kursk region in last couple of days


That would matter if the war was being fought on the internet.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 13th, 2024 at 9:34pm
Scott Ritter:

MASS DESTRUCTION Awaits Ukraine As The Army Was BURNED AND WIPED OUT At The Front Line

7 hours ago 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx-yejgR8WM

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 14th, 2024 at 1:22pm
Seems the Baltic states will send forces to Ukraine if the ruzzians make significant advance to Kharkiv. They know they would be next if ruzzia succeeds in Ukraine. Finland may join them perhaps?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 14th, 2024 at 1:43pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 14th, 2024 at 1:22pm:
They know they would be next


Sounds like they are trying to speed up the event  ::)

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 14th, 2024 at 1:47pm

freediver wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 9:21pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 4:50pm:
there are increased number of photo/video content with destroyed Ukrainian armour and killed bodies from Kursk region in last couple of days


That would matter if the war was being fought on the internet.


That is the problem with Zelensky media image strategy.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Armchair_Politician on Aug 17th, 2024 at 8:04am
This is a very smart move by Ukraine for several reasons. It destroys the illusion of Putin being unbeatable and the safety of the "motherland". It creates confusion and fear inside Russia, especially along the border with Ukraine. It sucks up precious resources of the already overstretched and under equipped Russian military, forcing Putin to move forces out of Ukraine to defend Russian territory. It also puts Ukraine in a better negotiating position. It's about time this happened, and in fact, I'm surprised it hadn't been done sooner.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 17th, 2024 at 8:29am

Xi losing trust in Putin as the Russian leader fails to
tackle the Kursk incursion | Philip Ingram


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvAdd4Oefrk

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Armchair_Politician on Aug 17th, 2024 at 8:50am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 8:29am:
Xi losing trust in Putin as the Russian leader fails to
tackle the Kursk incursion | Philip Ingram


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvAdd4Oefrk


Oh, Russia. You went from the second most powerful military in the world to the second most powerful military in Ukraine.  ;D

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 17th, 2024 at 9:11am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 8:50am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 8:29am:
Xi losing trust in Putin as the Russian leader fails to
tackle the Kursk incursion | Philip Ingram


Oh, Russia. You went from the second most powerful military in the world to the second most powerful military in Ukraine.  ;D



What propaganda should we believe? -

the Russians say there are massive Ukrainian losses in the the Kursk incursion.




Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 17th, 2024 at 9:49am
Russia has 3,864 aircraft and the silence is deafening.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 17th, 2024 at 11:48am
How long before the Chinese invade russia to recapture the “Lost Lands?” NOTHING russia could do about that! That would see the end of Putin and probably the invasion of Ukraine.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 17th, 2024 at 12:14pm

chimera wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 9:49am:
Russia has 3,864 aircraft and the silence is deafening.


That's because Russians hunt in silence and Ukrainian crew doesn't make noise after the hunt for obvious reason.

Screen shots from video of the Russian Ministry of Defense with the defeat of the British Challenger 2 tank by the Lancet loitering munition near Sudzha in the Kursk region.




Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 17th, 2024 at 12:52pm

tallowood wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 12:14pm:
That's because Russians hunt in silence

The Sukhoi Su-57’s engines generate a peculiar noise; a sort of “howl”.
The engine that generates that creepy high-pitched ringing noise is the NPO Saturn AL-41F-1, derived from the one used by the Su-35.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 17th, 2024 at 1:03pm

chimera wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 12:52pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 12:14pm:
That's because Russians hunt in silence

The Sukhoi Su-57’s engines generate a peculiar noise; a sort of “howl”.
The engine that generates that creepy high-pitched ringing noise is the NPO Saturn AL-41F-1, derived from the one used by the Su-35.


Loitering munition used to destroy the British Challenger 2 tank above is very low noise.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 17th, 2024 at 1:51pm
Imperial Russian Air Service  aircraft 1911.
Max takeoff weight: 4,940 kg
Range: 170 km.

Lancet drone maximum takeoff weight 12 kilograms and range 40km.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 17th, 2024 at 2:01pm

chimera wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 1:51pm:
Imperial Russian Air Service  aircraft 1911.
Max takeoff weight: 4,940 kg
Range: 170 km.

Lancet drone maximum takeoff weight 12 kilograms and range 40km.


12kg was enough to silence the British Chalenger2.


Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 17th, 2024 at 2:36pm
Iscander missile is not so noiseless but quiet effective.






Screenshots from video of the Russian Ministry of Defense destroying an American M142 HIMARS missile system combat vehicle of the Ukrainian Armed Forces with an Iskander-M missile near the village of Mogritsa in the Sumy region of Ukraine, 8 km from the border with the Kursk region.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 17th, 2024 at 3:10pm
Russia's 3,864 aircraft are silent.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 17th, 2024 at 3:19pm

chimera wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 3:10pm:
Russia's 3,864 aircraft are silent.


American M142 HIMARS and British Challenger 2 were noisy but now they are 404 together with their crews.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Jasin on Aug 17th, 2024 at 4:02pm
Ukraine Troops need to be led by Australian Troops, not American ones.
American troops are crap and rely upon 'superior numbers' which Ukraine does not have.
They need to learn the Australian way of being efficient and precise.

Ukraine needs only listen to USA Generals and Australian Troops if it is to succeed.

American troops and Australian top brass are the 'Betas'.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 17th, 2024 at 4:13pm

tallowood wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 3:19pm:
noisy .

Russian drone tractors are noisy but aren't called an 'Air Force' which is not noisy these days.
https://www.futurefarming.com/tech-in-focus/autonomous-semi-autosteering-systems/russian-unmanned-tractors-to-hit-the-fields-in-large-numbers/

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 17th, 2024 at 4:34pm

Quote:
American troops are crap and rely upon 'superior numbers' which Ukraine does not have.


When was the last time American troops outnumbered their enemy in a war?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 18th, 2024 at 12:51pm
The price оf Zelensky media driven adventure in Kursk region.

During the military operations in the Kursk direction, the AFU lost up to 3,160 servicemen, 44 tanks, 43 armored personnel carriers, 24 infantry fighting vehicles, 244 armored combat vehicles, 111 cars, five anti-aircraft missile systems, six multiple launch rocket system launchers, including three MLRS "himars", 24 field artillery guns and four electronic warfare stations.

Meantime  RF army started то form another cauldron on strategically important direction around New York.



Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 18th, 2024 at 1:06pm
RF in Donetsk has lost 87 Poseidon tsunamis, Black Sea Fleet, 3 motor bikes, Krygdhzg Instant Custard 2kg and a Putin reputation. (Dark blue folder, ringclips, slightly tattered).

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 18th, 2024 at 1:28pm

Jasin wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 4:02pm:
American troops are crap and rely upon 'superior numbers' which Ukraine does not have.
They need to learn the Australian way of being efficient and precise.

Ukraine needs only listen to USA Generals and Australian Troops if it is to succeed.

American troops and Australian top brass are the 'Betas'.



Actually Ukraine has advantage in personnel about 1.8 to 1.
However Russia is better off with artillery and air power.
Also Russia has larger total reserve.

As for Australian troops there were officially military instructors who went to train Ukrainians in Britain.
Also there were about 65 mercenaries there but only 6 or 7 now, 8 were killed :( and the rest left cursing Ukrainian corruption and stupidity of field commanders.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 18th, 2024 at 3:07pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c628gk68p3po

Ukraine has destroyed a strategically important bridge over the river Seym, as it continues its incursion into Russia's Kursk region.

Russian officials have been quoted as saying the operation near the town of Glushkovo has cut off part of the local district.

The bridge was used by the Kremlin to supply its troops and its destruction could hamper their efforts.

President Volodymyr Zelensky said Ukrainian troops were strengthening their positions in Kursk, and called the captured territories an exchange fund, implying they could be swapped for Ukrainian regions occupied by Moscow.

Now in its second week, this is Ukraine's deepest incursion into Russia since Moscow launched its full-scale invasion more than two years ago.

Ukraine’s surprise cross-border operation has resulted in more than 120,000 people fleeing to safety.

As Ukraine's advance continues, officials in Russia's Belgorod region bordering Ukraine have said they will evacuate five villages starting on Monday.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 19th, 2024 at 2:37pm
Destruction of another Ukrainian column in Kursk region.









Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 19th, 2024 at 9:49pm
Ukraine destroyed another strategic bridge in their widening area of control in Kursk Oblast.

Meanwhile Putin crawls to North Korea and is handing the Chinese a bit of Russian territory. Bet China has planned the invasion and capture of what they call the Lost Lands.

Meanwhile Europe is boosting defence expenditure.

Genius is Putin.   /sarc

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 20th, 2024 at 11:05am
AFU average daily casualties in Kursk region increased from 200 to 300 soldiers





Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 20th, 2024 at 3:34pm
Third bridge destroyed in Kursk oblast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20fR-1F6tXk&t=1s

Putin’s favorite bridge also attacked. Oh well, he will trade away some more russian territory to the Chinese, eh?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 20th, 2024 at 3:58pm
They had major losses when Stalin was micro managing the Soviet Army against the krauts. Putin now is managing the details and put Security in charge of the generals. By the time his orders reach the troops, the situation has changed.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 20th, 2024 at 4:31pm

Quote:
Putin now is managing the details


;D

Are Russian troops suddenly better trained, more motivated, and better equipped?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 20th, 2024 at 5:07pm
No, Putin is. His table is enormous.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 20th, 2024 at 5:08pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00BU9TXTNfg


Quote:
American journalist Patrick Lancaster shows how Russian Special forces attack and capture  part of the formerly named settlement "Novhorodske Ukraine" renamed to " New York" by the Ukraine government in 2021. in this report we show have Drone warfare has changed the face of war.



Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 20th, 2024 at 5:35pm
Colonel Douglas Macgregor Reveals Truth on Ukraine Invasion of Russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMEJLpHXfFo


0:00 - Intro to Russia Ukraine War
1:31 - Ground News Sponsor
3:37 - What is Ukraine Doing in Kursk Region of Russia?
5:20 - Is NATO Supplying Chemical Weapons for Ukraine?
6:45 - Why Putin Will Not Negotiate a Settlement with Ukraine
8:00 - Is this a Turning Point for this War?
9:24 - How Will US Election Affect Future of Ukraine War?
10:00 - Donald Trump and Ukraine
12:05 - Kamala Harris and Ukraine
14:15 - The US Desire to Destroy Russia
15:20 - Why the US Military Will Shift to the Middle East
16:55 - Will Governments in Europe Be Overthrown?
19:40 - Why Germany Will Seek Peace with Russia
23:20 - Closing Thoughts

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 20th, 2024 at 6:41pm
As he says, Putin has been very tolerant of the Ukrainian provocations. He's gradually gaining control of the terrorist agents before the US takes everything from Ukraine and then Russia.  Zelensky is fighting to hand over the land to Washington and invades Russia for the US. Ukraine belonged to Putin's grandma and Poland is probably the Putin family farm, Germany certainly is. And UK.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Armchair_Politician on Aug 21st, 2024 at 2:08pm

chimera wrote on Aug 20th, 2024 at 6:41pm:
As he says, Putin has been very tolerant of the Ukrainian provocations. He's gradually gaining control of the terrorist agents before the US takes everything from Ukraine and then Russia.  Zelensky is fighting to hand over the land to Washington and invades Russia for the US. Ukraine belonged to Putin's grandma and Poland is probably the Putin family farm, Germany certainly is. And UK.


Your moral compass is so screwed up I'm surprised you can find your way to the toilet in the morning.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Armchair_Politician on Aug 21st, 2024 at 2:09pm

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2024 at 4:31pm:

Quote:
Putin now is managing the details


;D

Are Russian troops suddenly better trained, more motivated, and better equipped?


Putin went from having the second most powerful military in the world to the second most powerful military in Ukraine - all in less than 2 years.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 21st, 2024 at 2:30pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 21st, 2024 at 2:09pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2024 at 4:31pm:

Quote:
Putin now is managing the details


;D

Are Russian troops suddenly better trained, more motivated, and better equipped?


Putin went from having the second most powerful military in the world to the second most powerful military in Ukraine - all in less than 2 years.


It's been a long time since they were number 2.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 21st, 2024 at 2:31pm
Zelensky marauders aren't doing too well in Kursk regtion.






AFU casualties yesterday

Soldiers – 350
Armored vehicles – 25, including:
Tank – 4
BBM – 18
BMP – 1
APC – 2
Car – 8
Mortar – 2
EW station – 1

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 21st, 2024 at 2:40pm

freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2024 at 2:30pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 21st, 2024 at 2:09pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2024 at 4:31pm:

Quote:
Putin now is managing the details


;D

Are Russian troops suddenly better trained, more motivated, and better equipped?


Putin went from having the second most powerful military in the world to the second most powerful military in Ukraine - all in less than 2 years.


It's been a long time since they were number 2.



And their nuclear weapons are useless because the other side has just as many.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 21st, 2024 at 3:30pm
New York was liberated on 20th of August.




Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 21st, 2024 at 5:34pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 21st, 2024 at 2:08pm:
Your moral compass is .

is satire about tallowood.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 21st, 2024 at 6:42pm

chimera wrote on Aug 21st, 2024 at 5:34pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 21st, 2024 at 2:08pm:
Your moral compass is .

is satire about tallowood.


Is it very funny that dictator Zelensky keep loosing strategical ground for sake of western media fantasies?

His dead soldiers don't agree.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 21st, 2024 at 6:59pm
You mean a dictator has no right to govern his country and it must be annexed by the adjoining country?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 21st, 2024 at 7:24pm

chimera wrote on Aug 21st, 2024 at 6:59pm:
You mean a dictator has no right to govern his country and it must be annexed by the adjoining country?


Zelensky wasn't reelected.
Yanukovich was democratically elected but Obama did not like him so he send his bitch to foment his violent over throw. Why do you hate democracy?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 21st, 2024 at 8:02pm
Then Putin is the elected leader of Ukraine? He has more tank-votes? What is the weapon count in the Russia: Poland election?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Daves2017 on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 12:22am
I trust the BBC, unlike all Australian media sources.

Ukraine invasion is still gaining ground.

I think Russian warpower peaked over a month ago.

Russia has no shortage of manpower but no money to pay, feed or house them?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Daves2017 on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 12:22am
I trust the BBC, unlike all Australian media sources.

Ukraine invasion is still gaining ground.

I think Russian warpower peaked over a month ago.

Russia has no shortage of manpower but no money to pay, feed or house them?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 11:54am

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 12:01pm

tallowood wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 11:54am:


Are you gullible enough to believe that?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 12:34pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNzrVpbm6HU


Quote:

Aug 22, 2024  #russiaukraine #ukrainewar #putin
Russian Marines from the 810th Separate Guards Brigade have repelled a Ukrainian convoy in the embattled Kursk region, marking a significant victory in the ongoing conflict. Supported by the Black Sea Fleet's Sever Group of Forces, the Marines destroyed several Ukrainian military vehicles, including Stryker and HMMWV armored units, and captured multiple enemy soldiers. The clash underscores the strategic importance of the Kursk region and the intensity of the ongoing battles. Satellite imagery reveals ongoing military activities, with temporary pontoon bridges being constructed by Russian forces to replace those destroyed by Ukrainian attacks. The conflict in Kursk remains fluid, with both sides continually adapting their strategies.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 12:36pm

tallowood wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 12:34pm:

Quote:

Aug 22, 2024  #russiaukraine #ukrainewar #putin
Russian Marines from the 810th Separate Guards Brigade have repelled a Ukrainian convoy in the embattled Kursk region, marking a significant victory in the ongoing conflict. Supported by the Black Sea Fleet's Sever Group of Forces, the Marines destroyed several Ukrainian military vehicles, including Stryker and HMMWV armored units, and captured multiple enemy soldiers. The clash underscores the strategic importance of the Kursk region and the intensity of the ongoing battles. Satellite imagery reveals ongoing military activities, with temporary pontoon bridges being constructed by Russian forces to replace those destroyed by Ukrainian attacks. The conflict in Kursk remains fluid, with both sides continually adapting their strategies.



I hope Ukraine go all the way to Moscow and hang Putin from a lamp post.


Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 1:03pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkU6Xp5FzdM


Quote:
Aug 21, 2024  #ScottRitter #UkraineConflict #MilitaryAnalysis
In this video, Scott Ritter delves deep into the catastrophic events unfolding on the Kursk frontline, where Ukrainian forces are facing overwhelming losses against the relentless Russian offensive. Ritter exposes the severe impact of Russia's precision strikes, which have decimated Ukraine’s military assets, including the highly valued HIMARS systems. As Ritter unpacks the strategic failures and the dire consequences for Ukraine, he questions whether these devastating setbacks signal a turning point in the conflict. Join us as we explore the grim realities of the battlefield and what they mean for the future of Ukraine.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 1:28pm

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 12:01pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 11:54am:


Are you gullible enough to believe that?


Well? Are you stupid enough to believe your own posts?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 1:50pm

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 1:28pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 12:01pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 11:54am:


Are you gullible enough to believe that?


Well? Are you stupid enough to believe your own posts?


I don't mind you making fool of yourself believing fake news "western" media instead of looking at situation on ground.



Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 2:00pm

Quote:
AFU casualties in Kursk region 21-08-2024

personnel – 300
Armored vehicles – 26, including:
Tank – 6
BBM – 17
APC – 3 (including 1 “M113”)
Cars – 2
Art – 6, including:
MLRS – 2

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 2:24pm

tallowood wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 1:50pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 1:28pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 12:01pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 11:54am:


Are you gullible enough to believe that?


Well? Are you stupid enough to believe your own posts?


I don't mind you making fool of yourself believing fake news "western" media instead of looking at situation on ground.


Do you believe this claim:


Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 3:25pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIYfZr8ffNs


Quote:
Ukraine's invasion of Kursk is backfiring in a major way, and friend of the show Brian Berletic helps us understand why as admissions from NATO-aligned forces come rolling in as to the severity of Ukraine's losses and the grim future ahead for the conflict after Ukraine crosses Russia's red line. This is a must see video you don't want to miss.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 3:38pm


Why is the "Bushmaster" on wrong side of road?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 4:11pm

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 2:24pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 1:50pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 1:28pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 12:01pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 11:54am:


Are you gullible enough to believe that?


Well? Are you stupid enough to believe your own posts?


I don't mind you making fool of yourself believing fake news "western" media instead of looking at situation on ground.


Do you believe this claim:



Are you on autopilot Tallo?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 4:26pm
Refugees in camps around Moscow. Not a pretty picture for ruzzia  or Putin. Economy be strained to buggery.


Seems Belgorod is also invaded without much opposition.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 4:39pm
another AFU armoured transporter burning with poor Ukrainian solders inside.


coordinates 51.4077872, 34.9931163

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 4:43pm
Happens in  war.

Invasion of Kursk Oblast continuing, Belgorod also invaded, communities being evacuated.

And the F16s are on the way.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 4:53pm
More AFU dead


Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 5:02pm


LOL. Are the Russians so desperate they are stealing boots from dead soldiers?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 5:16pm

Quote:
And the F16s are on the way


F35 not far behind.


Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 5:20pm

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 5:02pm:


LOL. Are the Russians so desperate they are stealing boots from dead soldiers?


That is AFU special force were trying to snick in without noise but it did not help  ;D

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 6:20pm

tallowood wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 5:20pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 5:02pm:


LOL. Are the Russians so desperate they are stealing boots from dead soldiers?


That is AFU special force were trying to snick in without noise but it did not help  ;D


Now the Russians have another pair of fancy western boots.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 6:34pm

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 6:20pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 5:20pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 5:02pm:


LOL. Are the Russians so desperate they are stealing boots from dead soldiers?


That is AFU special force were trying to snick in without noise but it did not help  ;D


Now the Russians have another pair of fancy western boots.


Not really, Zelensky kept the boots to sell on black market so he could pay for his cocaine habit.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Daves2017 on Aug 23rd, 2024 at 2:03am
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2e9zrywq9o

I wonder what is going on here?

India moving away from Russia to support the Ukraine?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 23rd, 2024 at 8:45am

Daves2017 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2024 at 2:03am:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2e9zrywq9o

I wonder what is going on here?

India moving away from Russia to support the Ukraine?


From the article you linked

Quote:
So, is Mr Modi visiting Kyiv to placate Mr Zelensky and other Western leaders?

Not entirely.

It’s not surprising to see India balance its relations between two competing nations or blocs. The country’s famed non-alignment approach to geopolitics has served it well for decades.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 23rd, 2024 at 9:05am
India is getting cheap oil from ruzzia. They will keep the relationship going while that happens.

Seeing how weak the ruzzian army is must be causing Indian politicians to rethink their non-aligned stance.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 23rd, 2024 at 9:11am
Casualties of Zelensky marauders in Kursk region for yesterday

Personnel – 300
Armored vehicles – 23, including:
Tank – 3
BBM – 20
Cars – 15
Art – 2, including:
MLRS – 1

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 23rd, 2024 at 9:25am
AFRu keeps roasting dills in Kursk region



Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 25th, 2024 at 7:02am
Yet the incursion is still happening and the area under Ukraine control is increasing. Less glide bombs are destroying houses and hospitals in Ukraine.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 25th, 2024 at 8:14am

tallowood wrote on Aug 23rd, 2024 at 9:25am:
dills in Kursk region

dill   'A foolish or silly person; an idiot; a simpleton'.
Untermensch is a German language word literally meaning 'underman', 'sub-man', or 'subhuman', that was extensively used by Germany's Nazi Party to refer to Slavs - Ukrainians and Russians.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Sprintcyclist on Aug 25th, 2024 at 9:01am

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 7:02am:
Yet the incursion is still happening and the area under Ukraine control is increasing. Less glide bombs are destroying houses and hospitals in Ukraine.


good

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 25th, 2024 at 9:51am
Yup, the Russians want to destroy national cultures and russify countries they brutally invade. They don’t care about civilian casualties and use brutal interrogation techniques. They need civilising.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Ajax on Aug 25th, 2024 at 10:36am
This is a suicide mission more than half the invading forces have been wiped of the map.

A strange strategy, unless they were looking to blow up the nuclear power station which still doesnot make sense because the Ukraine will also be affected by the fall out not t mention Europe.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 25th, 2024 at 12:45pm
Russia has destroyed 50 of the 20 tanks that invaded Kursk.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 25th, 2024 at 1:01pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 10:36am:
This is a suicide mission more than half the invading forces have been wiped of the map.


Where did you get that from?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/22/russia-faces-manpower-woes-after-failing-to-stop-ukraines-kursk-incursion

Reinforcements sent by Moscow failed to stop a Ukrainian surprise offensive in Russia’s Kursk region during its second week, creating a dilemma for the Kremlin – to further tap Russia’s invasion force in Ukraine by diverting more battalions to defend Russia, or to throw new conscripts into the war.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 25th, 2024 at 1:13pm
The Tsar Cannon is located in the Kremlin with calibre of 890 mm. The gun's weight is about 40 ton, its length is 5.3 m. It smashes tanks and slow drones.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 25th, 2024 at 2:37pm

chimera wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 8:14am:

tallowood wrote on Aug 23rd, 2024 at 9:25am:
dills in Kursk region

dill   'A foolish or silly person; an idiot; a simpleton'.
Untermensch is a German language word literally meaning 'underman', 'sub-man', or 'subhuman', that was extensively used by Germany's Nazi Party to refer to Slavs - Ukrainians and Russians.



Did Lavrov give up and you talk to Hitler now?  :o

Anyway here is information for dills about dill


Quote:
Dill (Anethum graveolens) is an annual herb in the celery family Apiaceae.


It is very popular in both Russian and Ukrainian kitchens and translates as "ukrop".
Ukrainians made a symbol out of it, they  have patriotic-nationalist political party called "Ukrop" (Dills in English).

Back in 2014 so called Ukrainian president Porosenko made political points out of it



And it was used as badge by AFU units



So now  dills is a nickname for AFU soldiers.
As for your assertion that AFU soldiers are " 'A foolish or silly persons; an idiots; a simpletons'" you got it right there  ;)

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 25th, 2024 at 2:47pm

Quote:
This is a suicide mission more than half the invading forces have been wiped of the map.



Quote:
Where did you get that from?



Quote:
In total, during the military operations in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost: more than 5,500 servicemen, 71 tanks, 30 infantry fighting vehicles, 57 armored personnel carriers, 372 armored combat vehicles, 170 vehicles, 36 artillery pieces, five anti-aircraft missile systems, 11 multiple launch rocket system launchers, including three HIMARS MLRS and one MLRS, 7 electronic warfare stations, a counter-battery radar, four units of engineering equipment, including two engineering vehicles and one UR-77 mine clearing unit.


When the dills went in Kursk region they used about 6000 servicemen but within few days increased numbers to about 10000.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 25th, 2024 at 2:56pm

tallowood wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 2:47pm:

Quote:
This is a suicide mission more than half the invading forces have been wiped of the map.


[quote]Where did you get that from?



Quote:
In total, during the military operations in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost: more than 5,500 servicemen, 71 tanks, 30 infantry fighting vehicles, 57 armored personnel carriers, 372 armored combat vehicles, 170 vehicles, 36 artillery pieces, five anti-aircraft missile systems, 11 multiple launch rocket system launchers, including three HIMARS MLRS and one MLRS, 7 electronic warfare stations, a counter-battery radar, four units of engineering equipment, including two engineering vehicles and one UR-77 mine clearing unit.


When the dills went in Kursk region they used about 6000 servicemen but within few days increased numbers to about 10000. [/quote]

Why did you not include the link?

Where does it say that is half the invading forces?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 25th, 2024 at 3:01pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 12:45pm:
Russia has destroyed 50 of the 20 tanks that invaded Kursk.



Monk,
Can you do simple primary school maths?

Did you mean 50 out of 200 tanks?


Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 25th, 2024 at 3:01pm

freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 2:56pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 2:47pm:

Quote:
This is a suicide mission more than half the invading forces have been wiped of the map.


[quote]Where did you get that from?


[quote]In total, during the military operations in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost: more than 5,500 servicemen, 71 tanks, 30 infantry fighting vehicles, 57 armored personnel carriers, 372 armored combat vehicles, 170 vehicles, 36 artillery pieces, five anti-aircraft missile systems, 11 multiple launch rocket system launchers, including three HIMARS MLRS and one MLRS, 7 electronic warfare stations, a counter-battery radar, four units of engineering equipment, including two engineering vehicles and one UR-77 mine clearing unit.


When the dills went in Kursk region they used about 6000 servicemen but within few days increased numbers to about 10000. [/quote]

Why did you not include the link?

Where does it say that is half the invading forces?[/quote]

I gave the link before but because you have memory problem an are such a good fellow here it is again

https://t.me/mod_russia

10000/5500 is more then half.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 25th, 2024 at 3:03pm
repeat

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 25th, 2024 at 3:19pm

tallowood wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 2:47pm:

Quote:
In total, during the military operations in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost: more than 5,500 servicemen,



tallowood wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 2:53pm:
Yesterday dills casualties were

Quote:
Personnel – 2120


Your Russian bloggers need to get their made up facts straight.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 25th, 2024 at 3:19pm
So the troops are Ukrop. I thought you called them 'dills'? This land is in 'Australia', Ivanovich.

There are reports of high losses. 1 tank every 2 days.'In the first nine days of the invasion, the Ukrainians lost four tanks and 41 infantry vehicles, according to one Oryx analyst'.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/08/17/out-in-the-open-and-on-the-move-in-russias-kursk-oblast-ukrainian-forces-are-vulnerable-and-losing-lots-of-armored-vehicles/

However, Zelensky is nowhere. He was captured in February 2022 by volunteer social workers who were given chocolates by joyful Kiev chickens. Ukraine has 3 tanks and 29 men with spears.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 25th, 2024 at 3:35pm

freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 3:19pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 2:47pm:

Quote:
In total, during the military operations in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost: more than 5,500 servicemen,



tallowood wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 2:53pm:
Yesterday dills casualties were
[quote]Personnel – 2120


Your Russian bloggers need to get their made up facts straight.[/quote]

What problem do you have now?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 25th, 2024 at 3:37pm

chimera wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 3:19pm:
So the troops are Ukrop. I thought you called them 'dills'? This land is in 'Australia', Ivanovich.

There are reports of high losses. 1 tank every 2 days.'In the first nine days of the invasion, the Ukrainians lost four tanks and 41 infantry vehicles, according to one Oryx analyst'.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/08/17/out-in-the-open-and-on-the-move-in-russias-kursk-oblast-ukrainian-forces-are-vulnerable-and-losing-lots-of-armored-vehicles/

However, Zelensky is nowhere. He was captured in February 2022 by volunteer social workers who were given chocolates by joyful Kiev chickens. Ukraine has 3 tanks and 29 men with spears.


Ukrops are dills in English.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 25th, 2024 at 5:04pm
However, Ukrainians speak Ukrainian where ukrop is not Australian dill.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 25th, 2024 at 5:28pm

chimera wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 5:04pm:
However, Ukrainians speak Ukrainian where ukrop is not Australian dill.


Now you  suggest that Porosenko and Dills Party in Rada are not Ukrainians and Coles is not Australian  :o



Mate get off drugs, seriously, the ruined your brain  :'(

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 25th, 2024 at 5:57pm
Coles? What is that? Do you mean Цолес?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 25th, 2024 at 6:00pm
There is no Dills Party and Zelensky is pronounced Путин.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 26th, 2024 at 9:41am

tallowood wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 3:35pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 3:19pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 2:47pm:

Quote:
In total, during the military operations in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost: more than 5,500 servicemen,



tallowood wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 2:53pm:
Yesterday dills casualties were
[quote]Personnel – 2120


Your Russian bloggers need to get their made up facts straight.


What problem do you have now?[/quote]

I don't have a problem.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 26th, 2024 at 11:54am
AFU casualties in Kursk region 25082024


Quote:
personnel – 300
Armored vehicles – 14, including:
Tank – 1
BBM – 11
BMP – 1
APC – 1
Auto – 7
Engineering equipment – ​​1
Art – 1
ST-68 radar – 1
Electronic warfare station – 2


The dills losses daily average stays at 300.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 26th, 2024 at 1:47pm
If you are going to make up numbers, you shouldn't round them off. That is a a bit of a giveaway.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 26th, 2024 at 2:05pm
Another dills column destroyed August 24

video
https://t.me/control_sigma/33982

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 27th, 2024 at 12:02pm
Destruction of the dills armour in the village of Cherkasskoye Porechnoye, Kursk region.


Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 27th, 2024 at 12:21pm
Good choice Tallo. Stick to the pictures. Words and numbers are too complicated.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 27th, 2024 at 12:36pm
According to Russian MOD


Quote:
Over the course of a day, the enemy's losses amounted to more than 400 servicemen and 27 units of armored vehicles, including: a tank, two infantry fighting vehicles, three armored personnel carriers and 21 armored combat vehicles, as well as 5 artillery pieces, two mortars, 11 vehicles and a US-made AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery radar.


Note: I think reason for round numbers is difficulty to count bodies that were fragmented to many bits and pieces.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by freediver on Aug 27th, 2024 at 9:05pm

Quote:
Note: I think reason for round numbers is difficulty to count bodies that were fragmented to many bits and pieces.


Also, he is writing from his mother's basement in Moscow. It is hard to see clearly from there, but there are plenty of other bloggers in basements all over Russia feeding him 'facts'.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 28th, 2024 at 7:19am
Even German russophobe Julian Ropcke thinks that Zelensky Kursk media event has been stupid.






Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 28th, 2024 at 9:12pm
https://thelibertydaily.com/russia-is-literally-threatening-us-world-war-iii/


Russia Is Literally Threatening Us With World War III, but Most People in the Western World Don’t Seem to Care

By Michael Snyder • Aug. 28, 2024


(The Economic Collapse Blog)—The Russians just told us again that the world could soon be facing nuclear war if western powers don’t stop escalating the conflict in Ukraine, but this is yet another warning that has gone in one ear and out the other.  The Russians can talk about nuclear war until they are blue in the face, but nothing that they say is going to sink in, because our leaders simply do not care.  They are entirely convinced that the Russians will never use nuclear weapons, and so they are not afraid to keep pushing the Russians closer to a breaking point.  When the Russians finally reach their breaking point, what will they do?

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has been playing this game for decades, and he always chooses his words very carefully.

So when he publicly brings up the possibility of nuclear war, that is a really big deal.  The following comes from an article that was posted on Yahoo News entitled “Russia warns the United States of the risks of World War Three”…

    “We are now confirming once again that playing with fire – and they are like small children playing with matches – is a very dangerous thing for grown-up uncles and aunts who are entrusted with nuclear weapons in one or another Western country,” Lavrov told reporters in Moscow.

    “Americans unequivocally associate conversations about Third World War as something that, God forbid, if it happens, will affect Europe exclusively,” Lavrov said.

    Lavrov added that Russia was “clarifying” its nuclear doctrine.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by RussiAnVetEraN on Aug 28th, 2024 at 10:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 28th, 2024 at 9:12pm:
Russia Is Literally Threatening Us With World War III


Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s statement and answers to media questions following talks with Yemeni Minister of Foreign Affairs and Expatriates Shaya al-Zindani, Moscow, August 27, 2024



......
Question:

How would you comment Ukraine’s demands as set forth in The Guardian? They seek the green light to use the Storm Shadow missiles to target Moscow and St Petersburg as a way to force Moscow to negotiate.

Sergey Lavrov:

This is blackmail, an attempt to pretend that the West seeks to avoid any excessive escalation. In reality, they are full of mischief. Avoiding escalation is not what the West is after. To put it into plain language, they are simply picking a fight.

I think that this has become obvious to everyone. I have recently cited John Kirby, who is the White House National Security Communications Advisor. A couple of months ago, he said that escalation would be dangerous, since it would be extremely ill-advised to let the situation slide into a world war and that Europe would be the one to suffer in the process. Recently, John Kirby said this again. For Americans, any talk about the third world war comes down to something that would affect Europe alone, and God forbid if it ever happened. This is quite telling, since this idea reflects the mindset of the American planners and geostrategy experts who believe that they can simply sit the whole thing out. I think that it is important to understand in this situation that we have our own doctrine, including the one governing the use of nuclear weapons. An effort to update it is underway. Moreover, these Americans are well aware of the provisions it sets forth. This fact transpires from the Freudian slips they make when they say that having a third world war would be a bad thing because they do not want Europe to suffer. This is what this American mindset comes down to. They have a mindset of a master sitting somewhere out there overseas and believing to be totally safe and secure, thinking that not only Ukrainians, but also, as it turns out, Europeans would be willing to do the dirty work and die for them.

We have long been hearing speculation about authorising Ukraine to use not only the Storm Shadow missiles, but also US-made long-range missiles. There was an anonymous source in Washington who said that they were working on it. This source purported that their overall view of Ukraine’s request is quite positive. I will stop at that. President Vladimir Putin said all about it quite a while ago.

Now, all we can do is confirm once again that playing with fire is a dangerous thing for the men and women in charge of nuclear weapons across the Western world, but they are playing with matches as if they never grew up.
.......

https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1966772/

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 29th, 2024 at 3:55am
RussianVeteran can be contacted at
http://en.kremlin.ru/press/service

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by RussiAnVetEraN on Aug 29th, 2024 at 4:16am

chimera wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 3:55am:
RussianVeteran can be contacted at
http://en.kremlin.ru/press/service


You can also write to me at the UN.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 29th, 2024 at 5:37am
The shortest distance (air line) between New York and Moscow is 7,510 km.
The RT-2PM2 “Topol-M” (NATO designation: SS-27 “Sickle B”) is a Russian solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of 11,000 km.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by RussiAnVetEraN on Aug 29th, 2024 at 6:07am

chimera wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 5:37am:
The shortest distance (air line) between New York and Moscow is 7,510 km.
The RT-2PM2 “Topol-M” (NATO designation: SS-27 “Sickle B”) is a Russian solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of 11,000 km.


But what about the RS-28 Sarmat liquid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile?  ::)

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 29th, 2024 at 6:26am

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 6:07am:

chimera wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 5:37am:
The shortest distance (air line) between New York and Moscow is 7,510 km.
The RT-2PM2 “Topol-M” (NATO designation: SS-27 “Sickle B”) is a Russian solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of 11,000 km.


But what about the RS-28 Sarmat liquid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile?  ::)



The Yanks have nukes too.  ::)

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 29th, 2024 at 6:43am

Putin faces coup threat, Kursk invasion 'significantly underestimated'

Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges   
 
Aug 29, 2024

"What does it take for Russian people to finally say that's enough?"

Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges analyses the Kursk incursion and
reports of a second attempt by Ukraine on the Russian border.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_mfyMDcOhs

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by chimera on Aug 29th, 2024 at 7:52am

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 6:07am:
But what about the RS-28 Sarmat liquid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile?  ::)

Yes if Topol-M misses you at UN then RS-28 Sarmat will do the job. Or both can be used, if you insist.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 29th, 2024 at 10:01am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 6:26am:

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 6:07am:

chimera wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 5:37am:
The shortest distance (air line) between New York and Moscow is 7,510 km.
The RT-2PM2 “Topol-M” (NATO designation: SS-27 “Sickle B”) is a Russian solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of 11,000 km.

But what about the RS-28 Sarmat liquid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile?  ::)

The Yanks have nukes too.  ::)


Result of US civil war 2 will depend on who have more nukes republicans or democrats.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 29th, 2024 at 5:20pm
Meantime AFU casualties in Kursk region


Quote:
personnel – 380
Armored vehicles – 30, including:
Tank – 1
BBM – 28
BMP – 1
Auto – 9
Mortar – 3
Art – 6
EW station – 1


Another Bushmaster  :o

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 29th, 2024 at 5:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 6:43am:
Putin faces coup threat, Kursk invasion 'significantly underestimated'

Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges   
 
Aug 29, 2024

"What does it take for Russian people to finally say that's enough?"

Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges analyses the Kursk incursion and
reports of a second attempt by Ukraine on the Russian border.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_mfyMDcOhs

So Tallowood, who will lead the likely coup?

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 30th, 2024 at 10:04am

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 5:42pm:
So Tallowood, who will lead the likely coup?


The strongest man(?) in US   ;D


Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 30th, 2024 at 10:07am
So the thought of a coup is real but the propagandists don’t want/aren’t allowed to talk about it.

Must be serious then.

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 30th, 2024 at 10:10am
Russian Defense Ministry summary from the Kursk direction: https://t.me/mod_russia/42728


Quote:
Personnel – 400
Armored vehicles – 29, including:
BBM – 27
BMP – 1
APC – 1
Auto – 17
Mortar – 1
Art – 2, including:
MLRS – 2

Title: Re: Ukraine invades Russia
Post by tallowood on Aug 30th, 2024 at 10:21am

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 10:07am:
So the thought of a coup is real but the propagandists don’t want/aren’t allowed to talk about it.

Must be serious then.


Hodges waiting  ;D



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