The voice was a 26 page racist, divisive set of demands that was defeated, and is being pursued piece by piece behind the voter's backs at the State and Federal level, and it was a waste of time and money.

It was a waste of time and money. That is what was The Voice.

Yes, we remember what it was and what we voted for or against in the referendum.

The Voice proposal was voted on in a referendum held on October 14, 2023, to establish a constitutional recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples through the creation of a Voice to Parliament.

This body would have provided advice to the Parliament and the government on matters affecting Indigenous Australians.

The proposed amendment to the Constitution included three main elements:

[olist]

Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Peoples of Australia.

Establishment of a new body called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice.

Empowering the Voice to make representations to Parliament and the Executive Government on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.[/olist]
The referendum asked voters if they approved of altering the Constitution to include these elements.

One of the biggest mistakes made was the wording of the alterations to the Constitution was never included in the vote, it was too open-ended.

And we as a people, said No.

The Voice to Parliament was a key recommendation of the Uluru Statement from the Heart. The Uluru Statement, issued in May 2017, was a consensus position from the First Nations National Constitutional Convention held at Uluru.

It called for several reforms, including:

• Voice to Parliament: A constitutionally enshrined advisory body to give Indigenous Australians a say in laws and policies that affect them.
  
  
• Treaty (Makarrata Commission): The establishment of a commission to oversee the process of agreement-making between governments and First Nations and to facilitate truth-telling about Australia's history.
  
  
• Truth-telling: Acknowledgment and education about the historical and ongoing injustices faced by Indigenous Australians.

We have so far, only addressed one of those recommendations, and it failed.

In this respect, it was a huge waste of time and money, we can agree on that.

The proposal for the Voice to Parliament aimed to provide a formal mechanism for Indigenous Australians to contribute to legislative and policy decisions that impact their communities, although the decisions would ultimately be made by the elected government of the day.

The Uluru Statement from the Heart is a single-page document. It is a concise and powerful call for constitutional recognition, a Voice to Parliament, and a Makarrata Commission for treaty and truth-telling.

The full text of the Uluru Statement can be easily accessed above.

The statement is supported by a longer report, the Referendum Council's Final Report, which provides context, background information, and detailed recommendations.

This report is where the 26-page figure that Grap continually lies about being the Uluru statement from the heart comes from, but it is not the Uluru Statement itself.  It was also fully available to the public since 2017 and wasn't hidden from the people as part of some conspiracy and then exposed by SkyNews as they claim.

It's another interesting tell that Grap, despite claiming not to, does in fact watch SkyNews.

Grap also confuses The Voice with the wider goal of the Uluru Statement, which seems to be another obviously deliberate ploy to further paint him as the victim since we voted against the Voice yet other elements of the Uluru Statement, those around Truth Telling and Treaty, which were separate from The Voice and we did not vote on, are being considered on state levels.

So to strengthen his position, and use "debate over the voice" as a shield to continue to spout his hate, he pretends to be the victim of all this.

Then there are things that are entirely unrelated like Native Title issues that he cries about on the regular as being "The Voice" too. 

It truly is the ravings of a madman.

The only common element in all of the thing he complains about being the Voice is that they are Indigenous issues, he despises Indigenous Australians receiving anything that might benefit them from the Government or private organisations, if not the people themselves.

I know it's a long read, but the truth matters.

Yes, I expect him to have another meltdown and pretend he's rattling cages or whatever he needs to tell himself to feel better, but the facts are the facts whether he likes them or not.

I don't believe he ever understood what the Voice was and is actively staying ignorant of the truth so he doesn't need to examine his own opinions on the matter and the wider scope of Indigenous issues.

It's important to keep that in mind for anyone foolish enough to engage with this well-documented bad-faith actor on this topic.

That's not the voice - the voice was a 26 page racist, divisive set of demands that was defeated, and is being pursued piece by piece behind the voter's backs at the State and Federal level, and it was a waste of time and money.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 5:14pm:

That's not the voice - the voice was a 26 page racist, divisive set of demands that was defeated, and is being pursued piece by piece behind the voter's backs at the State and Federal level, and it was a waste of time and money.

Just because you repeat your lie, it doesn't make it true.

The Voice was one recommendation from the Uluru Statement.

The statement is a single page long.

You're referring to the Referendum Council's Final Report, which provides context and background information to the statement, just like any report that follows a convention.

It's all there in black and white, with timelines and links in my post.

Again, repeat the lie all you like, but it doesn't make it true.

What is it they say about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 5:21pm:

Just because you repeat your lie, it doesn't make it true. The Voice was one recommendation from the Uluru Statement. The statement is a single page long.

Quote:

Uluru Statement from the Heart's full 26-page version gives Australians a window into the totalitarian dystopia it envisages If you are still yet to familiarise yourself with all 26 pages of the Uluru Statement from the Heart, then my hope is that this select analysis is of benefit. First, an important point: when Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and his government say the actual “statement” of the Uluru Statement from the Heart is only one A4 page comprising 439 words, they are technically correct. Appended to this preambular statement, however, are twenty-five additional pages of supporting documentation which provide a detailed account of its genesis and intentions. These additional pages were secured from the National Indigenous Australians Agency (NIAA) under Freedom of Information Act 1982, notably because the Albanese Government did not willingly offer them to the Australian people. So, when the Prime Minister, Minister for Indigenous Australians Linda Burney and other Labor ministers claim all these additional pages are a “conspiracy theory”, they do so deceitfully. The real conspiracy is that they tried to hide them from us. And, even though Mr Albanese has admitted to not having read all of the Uluru Statement from the Heart, he committed to implement it in full the night he was elected. READ THE FULL DOCUMENT HERE. https://www.skynews.com.au/insights-and-analysis/uluru-statement-from-the-hearts-full-26page-version-gives-australians-a-window-into-the-totalitarian-dystopia-it-envisages/news-story/cc5bfc72f37288dc093782f57ee0da52

It's 26 pages long perhaps you should read it.

Albo admitted he didn't read all of it yet he wanted us to vote for something he never read.

Most who voted NO would have read it.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2024 at 5:21pm: Just because you repeat your lie, it doesn't make it true. The Voice was one recommendation from the Uluru Statement. The statement is a single page long. Quote: Uluru Statement from the Heart's full 26-page version gives Australians a window into the totalitarian dystopia it envisages If you are still yet to familiarise yourself with all 26 pages of the Uluru Statement from the Heart, then my hope is that this select analysis is of benefit. First, an important point: when Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and his government say the actual “statement” of the Uluru Statement from the Heart is only one A4 page comprising 439 words, they are technically correct. Appended to this preambular statement, however, are twenty-five additional pages of supporting documentation which provide a detailed account of its genesis and intentions. These additional pages were secured from the National Indigenous Australians Agency (NIAA) under Freedom of Information Act 1982, notably because the Albanese Government did not willingly offer them to the Australian people. So, when the Prime Minister, Minister for Indigenous Australians Linda Burney and other Labor ministers claim all these additional pages are a “conspiracy theory”, they do so deceitfully. The real conspiracy is that they tried to hide them from us. And, even though Mr Albanese has admitted to not having read all of the Uluru Statement from the Heart, he committed to implement it in full the night he was elected. READ THE FULL DOCUMENT HERE. https://www.skynews.com.au/insights-and-analysis/uluru-statement-from-the-hearts-full-26page-version-gives-australians-a-window-into-the-totalitarian-dystopia-it-envisages/news-story/cc5bfc72f37288dc093782f57ee0da52 It's 26 pages long perhaps you should read it. Albo admitted he didn't read all of it yet he wanted us to vote for something he never read. Most who voted NO would have read it.

It was online and available to the public since June 2017.

It didn't need a FOI request.  It was a deliberate ploy to paint it as being hidden information that only the dumbest of us bought hook line and sinker.

Yet another act of deceit or stupidity on your behalf is the confusion between the Uluru Statement and the Voice.

The Voice was an element on the Uluru Statement, not the whole thing.

We only voted on that element.

If you don't like any other part of it being considered that's your choice, but you can't call it the Voice, because its not.

That's not the voice - the voice was a 26 page racist, divisive set of demands that was defeated, and is being pursued piece by piece behind the voter's backs at the State and Federal level, and it was a waste of time and money.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:27pm:

The Voice, does everyone remember what it was

Did we ever really know what it was though?

Frances wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:54pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 10th, 2024 at 12:27pm: The Voice, does everyone remember what it was Did we ever really know what it was though?

No - it was never fully explained and set in concrete, which left it open to all interpretations.  As I said - I didn't "hate on it" from the outset - I honestly brokered all views on here for all to view and comment on - then spent several days going over those and reports coming in before deciding that it was too open-ended and had no guarantees.

As far as I am concerned, all the 'little' things that I post, which annoy that Cad Sanga so much, are reflections of the kind of things that would have constantly been brought into play by the 'voice' - and each of them dove-tails with the real nature of the Uluru Statement - which is 'control over land, water and resources' - without at that time defining those terms.

Now - if they had said over land we actually directly own, but not over that which we share usage of under native title and definitely not over vast swathes that we demand in various ways - Native Land Act, 'protected areas' - who needs protection of an area where fifteen outsiders visit every year?  The mines have done their work there.... they aren't coming back.  then there is the DELIBERATE confusion - recently set right by the Federal Court - about what 'native title' actually means.*  If they had said over water we directly use...... if they had specified what 'resources' were in play.......

So - the (gasps) dysphoria sets in when people assume that Native Title, Protected Areas, and Native Lands Act holding all mean total ownership - ONLY Native Lands means ownership..... and with this (gasps) dysphoria over ownership - the dysphoria over 'control over lands, water and resources' comes in.  I blame albo and the prime movers of the voice for these failures - which doomed the voice from day one.... now - you're all recognised, bros and sos.... that's my gift to you ..... MOVE ON!

So every single thing was left wide open to 'interpretation' - and we've already seen an attempt by one bloke to say that clearing land not freehold to build a house for his daughter was 'use of resources' in a 'native title' area (fair point) - the court said NO.  HOWEVER - I have ALWAYS said that in any land claim most should be simple Native title and a certain percentage or portion set aside as freehold for those legitimate claimants - so they CAN own land outright and build on it etc. This happened on Fraser Island where the five who live there among  150-odd have freehold over seven hectares.  Cad Sanga calls me a racist for saying that the mainland dwellers have no need or right to claim the entire island, since they already have free shared usage of it under native title  (Intellectually dysmorphic, you see)...

No wonder that Cad Sanga hates me so..... I'm a true non-racist humanitarian - hshe's a racist pure and simple - on the 'other' side of a war where there are no real sides... Brother against Bruvva, bro ... that's not a goer.

BTW - nice to see you back - when I see that name I recall a past lady of mine... if I talk too much, say so.  You're smart though and can absorb it all.


*The Commonwealth Native Title Act sets out how native title rights are to be recognised and protected.

.  does not apply to any land used by the government or any freehold land that's been bought by citizens.

.  it applies to Aboriginal land or unallocated state land, areas of cultural significance, National parks, state forests and reserves.

.  non-exclusive rights to areas

. recognised as holding non-exclusive native title, that means that the rights are exercisable subject to the laws of the state and the Commonwealth.

. can't prohibit people from going places, they can't stop people going onto beaches. Native title isn't a grant of land, it's a recognition of rights.

Well - that stunned 'em, Igor - and it's only a rough draft off the top of my head...  time for a shower and maybe watch Billy The Kid for free.....  thing I noticed about the Billy character actor is that he follows the golden rule of.......... your character has to change along the journey.... sadly the Aussie actor playing his old friend/enemy doesn't change at all while the Billy character matures and grows ...

Now THAT is what acting is all about.... and why some are outstanding and some not.... but after a shaky start they can come good.... look at Di Caprio and Pitt ....

I'd like to hear what Frances has to say about all that blurb... she's smart and unlike some takes the time to think and read and understand.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

That's not the voice - the voice was a 26 page racist, divisive set of demands that was defeated, and is being pursued piece by piece behind the voter's backs at the State and Federal level, and it was a waste of time and money.

Again mate, just because you repeat a lie many times doesn't make it true.

The voice is a component of the Uluru Statement.

One element.

Not the entire thing.

We didn't vote on the entire thing, only the voice.

It's literal recorded history.

You might not like it, but that's too bad.

The facts don't care about your feelings.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 7:19pm:

Frances wrote on Jul 10th, 2024 at 6:54pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 10th, 2024 at 12:27pm: The Voice, does everyone remember what it was Did we ever really know what it was though? As far as I am concerned, all the 'little' things that I post, which annoy that Cad Sanga so much, are reflections of the kind of things that would have constantly been brought into play by the 'voice' - and each of them dove-tails with the real nature of the Uluru Statement - which is 'control over land, water and resources' - without at that time defining those terms.

Finally some truth from you.

You've not been complaining about the voice this whole time, but the Uluru Statement, and not even that, it's the Referendum Council's Final Report that you've been complaining about.

And you're doing so in a way to fight against anything positive for Indigenous Australians to ensure the gap is never closed.

And it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that your vehicle to portray your outrage is going into full blown victimhood...

It's truly pathetic...

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 8:02pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 10th, 2024 at 6:35pm: That's not the voice - the voice was a 26 page racist, divisive set of demands that was defeated, and is being pursued piece by piece behind the voter's backs at the State and Federal level, and it was a waste of time and money. Again mate, just because you repeat a lie many times doesn't make it true. The voice is a component of the Uluru Statement. One element. Not the entire thing. We didn't vote on the entire thing, only the voice. It's literal recorded history. You might not like it, but that's too bad. The facts don't care about your feelings.

That's not the voice - the voice was a 26 page racist, divisive set of demands that was defeated, and is being pursued piece by piece behind the voter's backs at the State and Federal level, and it was a waste of time and money.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 10th, 2024 at 7:19pm: Frances wrote on Jul 10th, 2024 at 6:54pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 10th, 2024 at 12:27pm: The Voice, does everyone remember what it was Did we ever really know what it was though? As far as I am concerned, all the 'little' things that I post, which annoy that Cad Sanga so much, are reflections of the kind of things that would have constantly been brought into play by the 'voice' - and each of them dove-tails with the real nature of the Uluru Statement - which is 'control over land, water and resources' - without at that time defining those terms. Finally some truth from you. You've not been complaining about the voice this whole time, but the Uluru Statement, and not even that, it's the Referendum Council's Final Report that you've been complaining about. And you're doing so in a way to fight against anything positive for Indigenous Australians to ensure the gap is never closed. And it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that your vehicle to portray your outrage is going into full blown victimhood... It's truly pathetic...

So I guess they'll have to do something about closing the gaps themselves then, eh, using all that arcane knowledge and spiritual stuff that works and worked so well.... if it all works so well why do they need any gaps closed?

Oooh - you ARE triggered tonight... is it this?

That's not the voice - the voice was a 26 page racist, divisive set of demands that was defeated, and is being pursued piece by piece behind the voter's backs at the State and Federal level, and it was a waste of time and money.

Do you really think anyone believes you?

It's obvious what you're doing, and it doesn't fool anyone.

It didn't work for Light and you're somehow worse at it than he was.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 8:51pm:

Do you really think anyone believes you? It's obvious what you're doing, and it doesn't fool anyone. It didn't work for Light and you're somehow worse at it than he was.

That's not the voice - the voice was a 26 page racist, divisive set of demands that was defeated, and is being pursued piece by piece behind the voter's backs at the State and Federal level, and it was a waste of time and money.  The voice is stated in the Uluru Statement as being the first foot in the door to everything else on demand there, and was never 'just an advisory body'.

Copy/Paste again.

Your desperation has reached new lows.

It's embarrasing.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 10:05pm:

Copy/Paste again. Your desperation has reached new lows. It's embarrasing.

That's not the voice - the voice was a 26 page racist, divisive set of demands that was defeated, and is being pursued piece by piece behind the voter's backs at the State and Federal level, and it was a waste of time and money.  The voice is stated in the Uluru Statement as being the first foot in the door to everything else on demand there, and was never 'just an advisory body'.

Anyway - it's a great thing we booted the voice under a bus, even though Albo kept repeating the outright lie that it was only 'an advisory body' - you know - the same nonsense that Fad Skanka clings to so desperately .... so at least we don't need to unnecessarily overfeed more useless mouths instead of actually closing the gaps... few hundred grand a year each for sitting n their arses again/still and nothing changing..... we don't do spin here.....

I thought Jacinta Price was on the right track with getting these remote places trained up to do their own work instead of waiting for the cargo cult convoys...

Anyway - Auntie someone-or-other - a nurse - spent a lot of time and effort and heroic activity getting better medical care for those in Remoteland... hell - first class treatment without her input... RFDS free all the time any time .... we don't do spin here:-

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Here's a good bit - p.109:-

". The role of the National Native Title Tribunal
should be subsumed by the Makarrata Commission"

Road to 100% favourable outcomes for 'native title' - make the referee one of the All Blacks team   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ..... then on we go ... Fraser Island  'native title' co-exists at this time - actual residents have freehold there ... the mainlanders who do not even live there and may not be of the local native groups originally, demand total Freehold in their favour.  Why not just subsume ALL land claims under the All Blacks team member referee - get a rubber stamp made and Bob's Yer Uncle!!?

Good luck with that one.... only in SEQIN could they consider such things ... them Queenslunders actually think this kind of thig in perfectly in order....... Joh did that to them .. brought that style to them ..........  it's fine as it is...  lawfare, innit?... using the laws and legal prerogatives of governments and bodies to push through what YOU want over everyone else .... the privilege of government put to uses for which it was never designed.....

Well - that dog ain't gonna hunt here....  or in sunny/funny Queenslund, either.... they spell beer XXXX ... easier that way ... and all those little town names - Bli Bli.. Kin Kin - spoken twice so there's no mistake in spelling.... then that bilious guy - Burpen Gary.... stay off the XXX, Gazza .....

Now let me get a map of Queenslund and sort out all the new states after they secede...  Frasertaria ......Farcenque ... Farque ...  Farcanque,  Carpentarea (not the carpet shop)... and of course Sequin.... South East Queensland Is Nuts ....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 1:03am:

Here's a good bit - p.109:- ". The role of the National Native Title Tribunal should be subsumed by the Makarrata Commission" Road to 100% favourable outcomes for 'native title' - make the referee one of the All Blacks team   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ..... then on we go ... Fraser Island  'native title' co-exists at this time - actual residents have freehold there ... the mainlanders who do not even live there and may not be of the local native groups originally, demand total Freehold in their favour.  Why not just subsume ALL land claims under the All Blacks team member referee - get a rubber stamp made and Bob's Yer Uncle!!? Good luck with that one.... only in SEQIN could they consider such things ... them Queenslunders actually think this kind of thig in perfectly in order....... Joh did that to them .. brought that style to them ..........  it's fine as it is...  lawfare, innit?... using the laws and legal prerogatives of governments and bodies to push through what YOU want over everyone else .... the privilege of government put to uses for which it was never designed..... Well - that dog ain't gonna hunt here....  or in sunny/funny Queenslund, either.... they spell beer XXXX ... easier that way ... and all those little town names - Bli Bli.. Kin Kin - spoken twice so there's no mistake in spelling.... then that bilious guy - Burpen Gary.... stay off the XXX, Gazza ..... Now let me get a map of Queenslund and sort out all the new states after they secede...  Frasertaria ......Farcenque ... Farque ...  Farcanque,  Carpentarea (not the carpet shop)... and of course Sequin.... South East Queensland Is Nuts ....

How to win friends & influence people ey?

There aint to many QLDers who are happy with the way Native Title is being granted and applied...

nor being locked out of certain National Parks and areas on the Cape & Gulf country.

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 10:28am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 11th, 2024 at 1:03am: Here's a good bit - p.109:- ". The role of the National Native Title Tribunal should be subsumed by the Makarrata Commission" Road to 100% favourable outcomes for 'native title' - make the referee one of the All Blacks team   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ..... then on we go ... Fraser Island  'native title' co-exists at this time - actual residents have freehold there ... the mainlanders who do not even live there and may not be of the local native groups originally, demand total Freehold in their favour.  Why not just subsume ALL land claims under the All Blacks team member referee - get a rubber stamp made and Bob's Yer Uncle!!? Good luck with that one.... only in SEQIN could they consider such things ... them Queenslunders actually think this kind of thig in perfectly in order....... Joh did that to them .. brought that style to them ..........  it's fine as it is...  lawfare, innit?... using the laws and legal prerogatives of governments and bodies to push through what YOU want over everyone else .... the privilege of government put to uses for which it was never designed..... Well - that dog ain't gonna hunt here....  or in sunny/funny Queenslund, either.... they spell beer XXXX ... easier that way ... and all those little town names - Bli Bli.. Kin Kin - spoken twice so there's no mistake in spelling.... then that bilious guy - Burpen Gary.... stay off the XXX, Gazza ..... Now let me get a map of Queenslund and sort out all the new states after they secede...  Frasertaria ......Farcenque ... Farque ...  Farcanque,  Carpentarea (not the carpet shop)... and of course Sequin.... South East Queensland Is Nuts .... How to win friends & influence people ey? There aint to many QLDers who are happy with the way Native Title is being granted and applied... nor being locked out of certain National Parks and areas on the Cape & Gulf country.

Now now - don't get testy - we're on the same side here... have you been following the war with Shaka Kanga over Fraser Island?  I know exactly the situation you lot are in and have already said you need to secede from SEQ.... leave the 'intellectual' idiots savants to work out thing their way for themselves only.

Fistful after fistful of land being handed over without proper reason... and all destined and designed to create trouble down the track - this is Labor up there getting in as many hits as it can and creating a nightmare for any following government to fix.

Can you imagine the manufactured 'outrage' at cancellation of the handover of Fraser Island in total ... the faux horror such a 'fascist' move against the poor Aborigines would bring about??

It will take a strong government to go against those wrongful decisions being made now.... shared usage through native RIGHTS to use are not enough for them - you know that... and all those white social vandals in their overpadded government jobs are happy to go along with it because they are mates with and appointed by and paid by the government of the day.... and way too much so.

THAT's what governments appointing their mates to heads of department etc has done.... what I warned yez all about years ago and harped on for years.  See the rotting fruit from making the public service directly under the politicians?

Lawfare .....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 10:09pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 10th, 2024 at 10:05pm: Copy/Paste again. Your desperation has reached new lows. It's embarrasing. That's not the voice - the voice was a 26 page racist, divisive set of demands that was defeated, and is being pursued piece by piece behind the voter's backs at the State and Federal level, and it was a waste of time and money.  The voice is stated in the Uluru Statement as being the first foot in the door to everything else on demand there, and was never 'just an advisory body'.

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That's not the voice - the voice was a 105 page racist, divisive set of demands built up over years of its anointed proponents traveling first class to string the grift together and then was condensed down to Albo's 'one page' advertising material to complete the drift of the grift, that was defeated, and is being pursued piece by piece behind the voter's backs at the State and Federal level, and it was and is a waste of time and money, delivering nothing but a firm foundation for future furore and fuss.  The voice is stated in the Uluru Statement as being the first foot in the door to everything else on demand there, and was never 'just an advisory body'.... one of its paid proponents said that any politician who refused it would be beaten up one way or another.... that's what 'punished' means in their lingo.....

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 8:34pm:

That's not the voice - the voice was a 26 page racist, divisive set of demands that was defeated, and is being pursued piece by piece behind the voter's backs at the State and Federal level, and it was a waste of time and money.

You've moved the goalposts again, and STILL MISSED!!!


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 11:35pm:

The Voice is now the generic term for the coup attempt to install Aboriginal Supremacism.... everything evolves..... and everything is lumped under one title for convenience....

Finally some honesty from you.

'Aboriginal supremacism' ....lol.

Anyone still doubting Crappler is offffffff with the pixies?

Always honest and integrity and knowledgeable answers from me.

peccary raves about 'white supremacism' - what there is of that pales into insignificance compared to the perpetual daily push for more and more control = supremacy - by Aboriginals.  That's why The List is being created and maintained.  Just because only the Aboriginal Aristocracy would know how to handle supremacy doesn't make it any less real.... they have plenty of healots and foot soldiers to die to gain the supremacy.

Aboriginals, like children, must be taught that sharing is the only way forward - all others are backwards

Policitians, like children, must be taught that perpetually pushing the boundaries to see how far they can go - while playing with a loaded deck of holding masses of our money to do so - is one way backwards, and only calm reason and fair play and actual thought move forward.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 1:33pm:

Always honest and integrity and knowledgeable answers from me.

Accept when you lie about what the voice is consistently, doubling down over and over for months until finally backed into a corner, unable to escape the facts and forced to submit to reality.

But sure, that's the definition of honesty and integrity /s


Quote:

Aboriginals, like children, must be taught that sharing is the only way forward - all others are backwards

That seems like an odd position to take.  Like, you've taken your victimhood to an industrial level.

The Indigenous Australians had their land stolen from them and were subjected to mass genocide and slavery by those doing it.

I know you're aware of this because you've said in the past the British didn't go far enough and should have just wiped them all out.

So now that some of these people's descendants are getting ownership of some of their land back, you're now acting like they've stolen it from you (there's that victimhood again) and should learn how to share?

Is that seriously what you're suggesting?

The voice was the foot in the door and all of hell followed after - the door was shut on the voice, but all of hell still follows after.

Simple even for you.... so the voice is a zombie .... but still the active ingredient... ergo - the current push for Aboriginal Supremacism = control over everything and everyone - is a voice by stealth - or you may use the term I just coined - Zombie Voice™.

Now, children - 'native title' gives you the opportunity for free shared usage... shared with others ... and there are no restrictions on your usage other than it cannot be on privately owned land and must be legal.......  this is a once and only offer .......... refuse it - for example by demanding total ownership of Fraser Island and other spots when you already possess native title rights ... and you will lose all other rights to claim property, including native title, which you have rejected.

Grappler Government has offered you the best possible deal - Native Title to wander as you choose, camp and such freely, do your thing as long as it's legal - AND - unlike the lying Philistines in Macquarie Street or Brisbane or The Gaga Strip of Canberra ... we offer you SOME fully owned freehold land to own and build on etc.

That's a better deal than anyone else gets here, given the cost of land, and is final settlement on all your claims - now long outdated and vanished and gone into the dust bins of history..... nobody is trying to stop you from your traditional pursuits... camping out, fishing, yabbying, etc, the odd ceremony ... YOU, on the other hand, are trying your hardest to prevent others from enjoying the same rights in THEIR own country - theirs the same as it is yours.

Now share and be good children, and use your allocated freehold plots wisely ...... this IS a final settlement offer.  Throw it away like the Gazans did with the offered 'Two States Settlement' - and you are one your own on the dole.

That sums it up nicely.

8-)  8-)  8-)  8-)  8-)

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 4:00pm:

The voice was the foot in the door and all of hell followed after - the door was shut on the voice, but all of hell still follows after.

And that's where your assumptions have failed you.

Yes the door was shut on the Voice, that's what we decided via the Referendum.

So be it.

But that doesn't mean anything else related to Indigenous Australians should be discarded for the rest of time in perpetuity.


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Simple even for you.... so the voice is a zombie .... but still the active ingredient... ergo - the current push for Aboriginal Supremacism = control over everything and everyone - is a voice by stealth - or you may use the term I just coined - Zombie Voice™.

That's merely the interpretation you've chosen to accept as it aligns with your beliefs.

But in reality, the voice was the advisory body to parliament, enshrined in the constitution.

This is no more.

Treaty, Truth-Telling, they're not advisory bodies and even if we assume part of them require constitutional change (which would be foolish given the experience of the Voice), we didn't vote on that change yet.

Back to the polls.

They are entirely separate issue.

You're trying to put everything relating to Indigenous Australians you don't like, under the umbrella of "The Voice" as a way of painting yourself as a victim since we voted it down already, and a lazy way of saying whatever you're taking issue with, should be stopped because we already said No.

That's like saying at the next election, Dutton Vs Albo, we shouldn't bother because we already voted against the LNP in 2022.

That's not how it works pumpkin.

You don't like my policy of - ask a lot... get little bit, little bit?

Trouble is they are not separate issues... they are part of then whole as laid down in the putsch for a voice... all in the documentation - and I said at the time that Albo was being disingenuous by not presenting the thing as a whole, but struggling to persuade everyone it was just a simple request for a consultation.... well walk right in to my office - we'll consult - then you can go out the door ... no need to have a permanent seat in the house for a lobby group.  You're entitled to your wrong opinion on this - you are not entitled to harp on and on about it..... are you a sheila or something?  If you keep repeating it enough everyone will believe you, eh??

Put simply - Albo lied, he knew he was lying, when he said it was only an advisory group set up permanently in the constitution (as in WTF?) - people voted against it because of what was involved as parts of it ... not just as it was presented - and the second most common comment (the first being NO means NO) is that all of those things were rejected at the vote.  That's how the majority see it - I'm sorry to tell you..... you're going down .....

YOU persist with the lie - and you are going nowhere.

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 11:19am:

'Aboriginal supremacism' ....lol. Anyone still doubting Crappler is offffffff with the pixies?

Not as far as you I'm afraid.

Gnads wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 7:37pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 11:19am: 'Aboriginal supremacism' ....lol. Anyone still doubting Crappler is offffffff with the pixies? Not as far as you I'm afraid.

I have to work a lot harder at it....

I'm guessing that mothra and co can't begin to see that there is no difference between White Supremacism, Black Supremacism, Feminist Supremacism, or any other Supremacist belief system.

As I said in my once and final offer - nobody is trying to throw Aborigines out of doing their thing on Open Range... fishing, camping out, yabbying, hunting a roo etc... it is they who are trying to cut other people out of using the same areas.  Now THAT is the supremacism involved... there is NO White supremacism - only the rights of the majority ... but, of course, those rights are exactly what supremacists and their similar minded Nazi and Stalinist mates, like a few here who are too dumb to know what they are about and therefore would make excellent camp  guards, are trying to take control of, dominate and then extinguish.

Who was trying to drive the Aborigines off Ayers Rock?  Mt Warning?  All the other places?

NOBODY!

Who is trying to drive everyone else off Ayers Rock, Mt Warning and a host of other places?   Ummm - let me think..... must be a group of supremacists demanding total control like true Nazis, and under some out-moded imperialist idea of:-  "I see it - therefore it is mine!".  Those times are gone.... your spears cannot hold back the 21st Century and it's time to take the once and only offer I've stated - native rights to wander etc plus a plot of freehold ... once and once only ... or go it on your own with no assistance other than what all others get... dole and pension or work.

This piccie was taken of some artwork someone did in The Druitt... a houso Black stronghold....

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Anyway - all these 'white supremacist neo-nazis' peccary loves to talk about all the time.... the greatest security danger at this time.... why aren't they all romping through the tent cities of the leftie student Hamas Luvvahs and giving those types a lesson?

Damned hard to find these neo-Nazi white supremacists, eh?  Jeez - they were so in your face they didn't even once get stuck into 'The Aboriginal Embassy'.... that quaint little thing in Cambra - Gaga Strip of the ACT.

Oh, dear - they must be hiding under every bed and behind every bush..... when Antifa was out there rioting, why weren't they all out hitting them with clubs? Why weren't there massive brawls between conflicting sides?  Seems they don't really exist, eh? 

Why aren't they out there fixing these uppity Aborigines?

Seems they just don't exist..... all fantasy and paranoia to make up a different reality.... you see - white people are not the aggressors here.... we're demanding nothing..... we are being demanded of.... and you know how I treat demands....  automatic NO!

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 11:30pm:

Anyway - all these 'white supremacist neo-nazis' peccary loves to talk about all the time.... the greatest security danger at this time.... why aren't they all romping through the tent cities of the leftie student Hamas Luvvahs and giving those types a lesson?

Maybe they're like you and prefer to push their hate anonymously on an internet forum?

Yes - it was 112 pages of propaganda designed to push a special body into parliament, a lobby group fully paid for and massively salaried and perked, and which then would feel the entitlement™ to impose its demands on any and every issue it felt like..... even by threat of playing up and even violence (punishment of politicians who don't 'listen') .....

Not one single other group in society has anything near such 'rights'...... and the fact that rejection has been met with violence, threats, terror attacks and so forth is sufficient reason to say - 'no justification is needed for rejecting this monstrosity'.

No despotic state in history could have designed the supremacy of a semi-educated minority better....

Better to round up the Usual Suspects ........... put the criminal elements behind bars ....  (heh, heh, heh) ...

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 11:02am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 11:30pm: Anyway - all these 'white supremacist neo-nazis' peccary loves to talk about all the time.... the greatest security danger at this time.... why aren't they all romping through the tent cities of the leftie student Hamas Luvvahs and giving those types a lesson? Maybe they're like you and prefer to push their hate anonymously on an internet forum?

Finally a step forward for you - you admit Hamas Luvvahs are filled with hatred... that sure took some work ............. now move on with your newly opened thinking.... there's a thin slice of light coming in there... follow it ...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 1:28pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 11:02am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 11:30pm: Anyway - all these 'white supremacist neo-nazis' peccary loves to talk about all the time.... the greatest security danger at this time.... why aren't they all romping through the tent cities of the leftie student Hamas Luvvahs and giving those types a lesson? Maybe they're like you and prefer to push their hate anonymously on an internet forum? Finally a step forward for you - you admit Hamas Luvvahs are filled with hatred... that sure took some work ............. now move on with your newly opened thinking.... there's a thin slice of light coming in there... follow it ...

Why not redefine what I said to something more palatable for you, it's what you've been doing from the start anyway.

We sure do remember - and what a relief it was to see it go... now for the Zombie Voice....