Ukrainian refugees are transported and coddled in Western countries while non-white refugees from more dangerous regions than Ukraine are treated as the public enemy and often drowned and denied entry.

That is Western values.

Four legs good two legs bad.

you spam these rubbish schizo threads like there's no tomorrow but no one cares, it's like you're just yelling into the void, an audienceless screecher

please could you stop posting them

JC Denton wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 6:31am:

you spam these rubbish schizo threads like there's no tomorrow but no one cares, it's like you're just yelling into the void, an audienceless screecher please could you stop posting them

Regretfully, I must decline because that would threaten JC Denton's existence as the most prolific reader and responder.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 28^th, 2024 at 9:01pm:

Ukrainian refugees are transported and coddled in Western countries while non-white refugees from more dangerous regions than Ukraine are treated as the public enemy and often drowned and denied entry. That is Western values. Four legs good two legs bad.

Western values are largely fraudulent, eg,  the "fundamental right" to vote in democratic elections, while the abiity of either party to stop the decline in living standards is non-existant, and the rich are laughing all the way to the bank as always.

Hence total disillusionment  in the current French and UK elections; in the UK a young protestor  asked Starmer why aren't you supporting us in climate change and housing, and he said "we don't won't to be a party of protest, we want to be a party in power".

The implication being he has to pander to the City of London financial goons who demand "balanced government budgets and low taxes" to gain power,  rendering him unable to properly fund public needs. 

Hence no change. Useless.

Easier to demonize desperate refugees  than fix the economy.   

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 28^th, 2024 at 9:01pm:

Ukrainian refugees are transported and coddled in Western countries while non-white refugees from more dangerous regions than Ukraine are treated as the public enemy and often drowned and denied entry.

Probably because the Ukrainians are fighting for their survival, whilst non-white refugees are running away from their problems. And often the Ukrainians are fleeing to nearby European countries. Poland mostly, if the Ukrainians are fleeing Russia. And Russia is getting Ukrainian refugees if the Ukrainians are siding with Russia.

https://data.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine

So, where are those African refugees going? Of the 31 million Africans living outside of their home countries, 25% of them are fleeing to Europe. Good on the 75% that are sticking close to their home countries in Europe. But the remainder 25% getting on boats and crossing the Mediterranean Sea is a bit too far to flee for the sake of refugee status.

https://www.un.org/en/academic-impact/migration-dynamics-refugees-and-internally-displaced-persons-africa#:~:text=Over%2031%20million%20Africans%20live,African%20migrants%20go%20to%20Europe.

A lot of respect for the Syrians. They are fleeing to nearby neighbouring countries.

https://www.unrefugees.org/news/syria-refugee-crisis-explained/#:~:text=Syrian%20refugees%20have%20sought%20asylum,of%20Syrian%20refugees%3A%203.3%20million.

Western values include fighting your own battles and fixing up your own problems.

Ukrainians are not fighting for their survival, they are running out of the country for a better life.

The Ukraine war is not a fight for people's survival it is a fight for the political dominance of Ukraine by Russia and the USA.

Syrians are staying regionally local because EU is hostile to Syrian refugees.

If "Western values include fighting your own battles and fixing up your own problems', why is the EU and USA helping Israel commit mass murder and genocide?

Israel would not exist without continuous US support and the $300 billion USA has gifted Israel since 1948. All that money was seized by Jews. None went to Christians, Muslims, Palestinians, Bedouins, and other minorities.

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Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

Ukrainians are not fighting for their survival, they are running out of the country for a better life. The Ukraine war is not a fight for people's survival it is a fight for the political dominance of Ukraine by Russia and the USA. Syrians are staying regionally local because EU is hostile to Syrian refugees. If "Western values include fighting your own battles and fixing up your own problems', why is the EU and USA helping Israel commit mass murder and genocide? Israel would not exist without continuous US support and the $300 billion USA has gifted Israel since 1948. All that money was seized by Jews. None went to Christians, Muslims, Palestinians, Bedouins, and other minorities.

Good post.

And Unsub thinks it's "Western values" to fight WW3 because of ideological differences between Chinese living in Taiwan and Chinese living in the mainland, which is HALF the distance between Tasmania and the Oz mainland. 

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 28^th, 2024 at 9:01pm:

Ukrainian refugees are transported and coddled in Western countries while non-white refugees from more dangerous regions than Ukraine are treated as the public enemy and often drowned and denied entry. That is Western values. Four legs good two legs bad.

Ukraine is NEXT TO white European countries. Most Ukrainian reffos are in Poland.
They are not flying half way across the world to gatecrash countries that don't want them

Frank wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 2:39pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 9:01pm: Ukrainian refugees are transported and coddled in Western countries while non-white refugees from more dangerous regions than Ukraine are treated as the public enemy and often drowned and denied entry. That is Western values. Four legs good two legs bad. Ukraine is NEXT TO white European countries. Most Ukrainian reffos are in Poland. They are not flying half way across the world to gatecrash countries that don't want them

... and, they are not non-white, and they are not Muslim.

Frank, just confess your bigotry, racism, and Islamophobia.

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Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 7:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 29th, 2024 at 2:39pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 9:01pm: Ukrainian refugees are transported and coddled in Western countries while non-white refugees from more dangerous regions than Ukraine are treated as the public enemy and often drowned and denied entry. That is Western values. Four legs good two legs bad. Ukraine is NEXT TO white European countries. Most Ukrainian reffos are in Poland. They are not flying half way across the world to gatecrash countries that don't want them ... and, they are not non-white, and they are not Muslim. Frank, just confess your bigotry, racism, and Islamophobia.

This is why nobody takes you seriously, tinted chappies. You have a bone through your noses and accuse everyone who notices it of wacism.


Catch up. Get civilised. Then we can talk.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 1:48pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 29th, 2024 at 1:20pm: Ukrainians are not fighting for their survival, they are running out of the country for a better life. The Ukraine war is not a fight for people's survival it is a fight for the political dominance of Ukraine by Russia and the USA. Syrians are staying regionally local because EU is hostile to Syrian refugees. If "Western values include fighting your own battles and fixing up your own problems', why is the EU and USA helping Israel commit mass murder and genocide? Israel would not exist without continuous US support and the $300 billion USA has gifted Israel since 1948. All that money was seized by Jews. None went to Christians, Muslims, Palestinians, Bedouins, and other minorities. Good post. And Unsub thinks it's "Western values" to fight WW3 because of ideological differences between Chinese living in Taiwan and Chinese living in the mainland, which is HALF the distance between Tasmania and the Oz mainland.

It was not a good post. laugh completely ignores the footage of Ukrainian civilians being shot dead by Russian soldiers. laugh also ignores the historical animosity the USA has with the Russians. There is also the issue of the power grab that the Russians are making with Ukraine's borders. If Russia is able to exert authority in the region (East Europe and Eurasia), the USA will lose out substantially. Afghanistan can be Russia's problem, now. Hence the reason why the USA withdrew abruptly from Afghanistan.

I don't believe that the USA and the European Union are helping Israel do much more than exist. You might insist that Israel is committing genocide. But, at the very least the Israelis are targeting Hamas. Oh, and Hamas might be considered enemy combatants by many. However, to you, when the Hamas insurgents get killed, all of a sudden the combatants become statistically part of the Palestinian civilians killed. Weird, huh?

Keeping Taiwan independent is key in keeping trade routes and deals open with Asia. Maintaining democracy is an important factor in Taiwan's desire to maintain independence. Democracy in China is practically non-existent. Taiwan can wait out China as China will eventually adopt democracy. But, Taiwan won't be able to fend off a military attack from China in the near future.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 7:16pm:

... and, they are not non-white, and they are not Muslim. Frank, just confess your bigotry, racism, and Islamophobia.

laugh, are you that phukken stupid? Non-white and/or Muslim 'refugees' have been carefully planning their moves to another country for many decades. They don't pack up their things at a moment's notice. No, they wear modern clothing and have the money to get on planes and fly up to half way around the world to seek residence in Western (and American) countries because it is convenient for them.

Ukrainians are fleeing their homes at a moment's notice. Have you not seen footage of civilians getting shot by Russian soldiers? And where do they go? Neighbouring European countries.

Remember the Kosovars? They returned home after the situation in Eastern Europe was settled. But, Middle Eastern 'refugees' will watch movies about the abundance in the West. Then the scam artists pack up their stuff, and jet over to a nearby country of their destination. Then they pull the hard luck stories.

That's life for you.... when the Downfall comes, you will be glad to be sheltered by those Western values here...

You are free to pack your bags and leave for points elsewhere whenever you wish.... shalom.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 11:44am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 9:01pm: Ukrainian refugees are transported and coddled in Western countries while non-white refugees from more dangerous regions than Ukraine are treated as the public enemy and often drowned and denied entry. That is Western values. Four legs good two legs bad. Western values are largely fraudulent, eg,  the "fundamental right" to vote in democratic elections, while the abiity of either party to stop the decline in living standards is non-existant, and the rich are laughing all the way to the bank as always. Hence total disillusionment  in the current French and UK elections; in the UK a young protestor  asked Starmer why aren't you supporting us in climate change and housing, and he said "we don't won't to be a party of protest, we want to be a party in power". The implication being he has to pander to the City of London financial goons who demand "balanced government budgets and low taxes" to gain power,  rendering him unable to properly fund public needs.  Hence no change. Useless. Easier to demonize desperate refugees  than fix the economy.

Hush - then would you prefer we vote in non-democratic elections?   ;D  ;D  ;D

Arrrgh - a long leap from fixing the economy to demonising refugees.... nah then - are they REAL refugees .....?  Just a question here.... unlike you I've studied this at uni.... my quite different views on refugees and mass immigration are well known.....

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And where do they go?

russia has been the biggest recipient of ukrainian refugees

JC Denton wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 8:54pm:

Quote: And where do they go? russia has been the biggest recipient of ukrainian refugees

Russia has a lot of Ukrainians aligning themselves with Russia.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 10:52pm:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 8:54pm: Quote: And where do they go? russia has been the biggest recipient of ukrainian refugees Russia has a lot of Ukrainians aligning themselves with Russia.

Palestine has a lot of people of all persuasions aligning with Palestinians.

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UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 10:52pm:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 8:54pm: Quote: And where do they go? russia has been the biggest recipient of ukrainian refugees Russia has a lot of Ukrainians aligning themselves with Russia.

that's a really weird way of writing 'ethnic russians'

JC Denton wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:26am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 10:52pm: JC Denton wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 8:54pm: Quote: And where do they go? russia has been the biggest recipient of ukrainian refugees Russia has a lot of Ukrainians aligning themselves with Russia. that's a really weird way of writing 'ethnic russians'

Much of Ukraine has ethnic Russians. Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union, after all. It is just that for the last 30 years or more, Ukraine has claimed and fostered their independence from Russia. Some Ukrainians are changing their minds and want to be part of Russia. If that did not happen, Russia would not be at war with Ukraine.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 8:47pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 29th, 2024 at 11:44am: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 9:01pm: Ukrainian refugees are transported and coddled in Western countries while non-white refugees from more dangerous regions than Ukraine are treated as the public enemy and often drowned and denied entry. That is Western values. Four legs good two legs bad. Western values are largely fraudulent, eg,  the "fundamental right" to vote in democratic elections, while the abiity of either party to stop the decline in living standards is non-existant, and the rich are laughing all the way to the bank as always. Hence total disillusionment  in the current French and UK elections; in the UK a young protestor  asked Starmer why aren't you supporting us in climate change and housing, and he said "we don't won't to be a party of protest, we want to be a party in power". The implication being he has to pander to the City of London financial goons who demand "balanced government budgets and low taxes" to gain power,  rendering him unable to properly fund public needs.  Hence no change. Useless. Easier to demonize desperate refugees  than fix the economy.    Hush - then would you prefer we vote in non-democratic elections?   ;D  ;D  ;D

Actually I don't mind if you vote in democratic elections provided you (ie, we) can actually "make change happen" - as per Starmer's latest piece of bs to the long-suffering and disillusioned  British electorate, many of whom won't even bother to vote....while Macron is saying there will be a civil war in France unless everyone votes for his party....


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Arrrgh - a long leap from fixing the economy to demonising refugees.... nah then - are they REAL refugees .....?  Just a question here.... unlike you I've studied this at uni.... my quite different views on refugees and mass immigration are well known.....

Not a long leap: there is a global economy (trade, finance) as well as a national economy; the former needs to be functional to enable the latter to be functional  without needing border guards to shoot or turn desperate people away. 

The immigration/refugee problem is THE reason why RW populist parties are ascendent, especially in the EU which has extensive land borders (and short sea distances) for people fleeing war and poverty.

All part of "Western values": every man - and nation - for himself...aka "freedom".

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 1:33pm:

JC Denton wrote on Jul 1st, 2024 at 9:26am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 10:52pm: JC Denton wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 8:54pm: Quote: And where do they go? russia has been the biggest recipient of ukrainian refugees Russia has a lot of Ukrainians aligning themselves with Russia. that's a really weird way of writing 'ethnic russians' Much of Ukraine has ethnic Russians. Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union, after all. It is just that for the last 30 years or more, Ukraine has claimed and fostered their independence from Russia. Some Ukrainians are changing their minds and want to be part of Russia. If that did not happen, Russia would not be at war with Ukraine.

Diversity is their strength.


Some Slavs are just blinkered and stupid. Like the Eastern (Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians)and southern slavs (Serbs, Croats, Bosnians, Albans).

Some are civilised, like the Czechs and Slovaks who managed a Velvet revolution and an amicable divorce

Yeah - one of the Western values thrown out so far is 'equal treatment for all..... equally' ..... so when it comes to Judgement Day for the likes of LTYC there is the same standard of proof as ... say ..... Deuce (you know) .... guilty as not charged, never convicted but guilty anyway.... piggy eyes... no need to waste time on 'due process' or looking at 'evidence' (that Western myth) - move straight to the assumption of guilt ....

A lot easier that way..... the gates of Gondwanamo Bay yawn wide for that kind... better still.. let's just fling all the Western values into the sewer and make everyone guilty of something, put them in the labour camps, and see if any can prove their innocence while toiling away on a bowl of soup and a slice of bread a day ...... easiest way to go about things....

I love it - 'you can vote in democratic elections as long as you can make thing happen' - so - errrr.. now every single voter has the absolute right to dictate what will happen?

So .... errrrr.. what kinds of things have dictators and despots 'made happen' .... apart from countless needless deaths and immense suffering and eventual revolutionary internal warfare....

You English is very strange..... so each individual voter should now 'make things happen' - as opposed to - for example - the MASS of individual voters voting down a 'voice' and then finding that the dictatorial 'government' is refusing to accept that verdict but intends to go ahead with its plans anyway ... I take it you figure the RIGHT of the mass of voters here in our Democracy should simply be over-ridden by those who 'know better'......

Jeez - even when that guy wrote 'A Majority of One' - he didn't suggest that meant a majority of one dictator - he suggested a majority of one man who was right in his belief .... an 'eccentric' if you like...

Now then - we need to be looking at Lawfare more deeply with 'Saggy Kanga' ... and try to get hir mind around ASSYMETRIC Lawfare as an included part of Lawfare... such limitations in the intellects of some here.....and elsewhere...

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 5:24pm:

I love it - 'you can vote in democratic elections as long as you can make thing happen' - so - errrr.. now every single voter has the absolute right to dictate what will happen?

See how blind ideology blinds you? (Of course you can't...)

I'm complaining about democratic elections because they CAN'T and don't create change to enable everyone to participate above poverty level. 


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So .... errrrr.. what kinds of things have dictators and despots 'made happen' .... apart from countless needless deaths and immense suffering and eventual revolutionary internal warfare....

Few dictators and despots have achieved good outcomes, but one-party states like  Vietnam  and more spectacularly China are achieving rapidly inproving  outcomes for their citizens, in contrast to falling living standards for many in the democracies.


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You English is very strange..... so each individual voter should now 'make things happen' -

(sigh...your blindness noted above)

It was Starmer in the UK trying to convince a sceptical UK electorate he "can make change happen". 


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as opposed to - for example - the MASS of individual voters voting down a 'voice' and then finding that the dictatorial 'government' is refusing to accept that verdict but intends to go ahead with its plans anyway

The mass of individuals cancel one another out in a blind, L-R, adversarial-party contest,  which is why change for most people  doesn't  happen in democracies.

Successful "democracies" are likely to have displayed  strong authoritarian leaders, eg Singapore.


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... I take it you figure the RIGHT of the mass of voters here in our Democracy should simply be over-ridden by those who 'know better'......

Your error already exposed above: the mass of voters are divided roughly 50-50, eg, currently 51/49 Labor/LNP in Oz.


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Jeez - even when that guy wrote 'A Majority of One' - he didn't suggest that meant a majority of one dictator - he suggested a majority of one man who was right in his belief .... an 'eccentric' if you like...

Explained above; if everyone accepts the  dysfunctional global financiual system - a sad reality - then even a larger majority than a 'majority of 1' to the winning party can't change anything. Albo's been in power for 2 years and housing and  hospitals are still going backwards, (and the gap isn't closing), same as under Morrison.   


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Now then - we need to be looking at Lawfare more deeply with 'Saggy Kanga' ... and try to get hir mind around ASSYMETRIC Lawfare as an included part of Lawfare... such limitations in the intellects of some here.....and elsewhere...

SK is also deluded by the present system which entails private financiers fundind the public sector (governement)  via "taxpayer money"  and the private sector,  with interest bearing debt-money.

Resulting in democracy maintaing warfare between rich and poor taxpayers.

("Lawfare" is often based in cultural sovereignty bs).

Hope this helps...

So dictatorship in any of its guises gives everyone a fair and equal chance at the big time?

ok ...................... see where your blind ideology leads you?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 7:11pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jul 2nd, 2024 at 5:24pm: I love it - 'you can vote in democratic elections as long as you can make thing happen' - so - errrr.. now every single voter has the absolute right to dictate what will happen? See how blind ideology blinds you? (Of course you can't...) I'm complaining about democratic elections because they CAN'T and don't create change to enable everyone to participate above poverty level.  Quote: So .... errrrr.. what kinds of things have dictators and despots 'made happen' .... apart from countless needless deaths and immense suffering and eventual revolutionary internal warfare.... Few dictators and despots have achieved good outcomes, but one-party states like  Vietnam  and more spectacularly China are achieving rapidly inproving  outcomes for their citizens, in contrast to falling living standards for many in the democracies. [quote]You English is very strange..... so each individual voter should now 'make things happen' -

(sigh...your blindness noted above)

It was Starmer in the UK trying to convince a sceptical UK electorate he "can make change happen". 


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as opposed to - for example - the MASS of individual voters voting down a 'voice' and then finding that the dictatorial 'government' is refusing to accept that verdict but intends to go ahead with its plans anyway

The mass of individuals cancel one another out in a blind, L-R, adversarial-party contest,  which is why change for most people  doesn't  happen in democracies.

Successful "democracies" are likely to have displayed  strong authoritarian leaders, eg Singapore.


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... I take it you figure the RIGHT of the mass of voters here in our Democracy should simply be over-ridden by those who 'know better'......

Your error already exposed above: the mass of voters are divided roughly 50-50, eg, currently 51/49 Labor/LNP in Oz.


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Jeez - even when that guy wrote 'A Majority of One' - he didn't suggest that meant a majority of one dictator - he suggested a majority of one man who was right in his belief .... an 'eccentric' if you like...

Explained above; if everyone accepts the  dysfunctional global financiual system - a sad reality - then even a larger majority than a 'majority of 1' to the winning party can't change anything. Albo's been in power for 2 years and housing and  hospitals are still going backwards, (and the gap isn't closing), same as under Morrison.   


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Now then - we need to be looking at Lawfare more deeply with 'Saggy Kanga' ... and try to get hir mind around ASSYMETRIC Lawfare as an included part of Lawfare... such limitations in the intellects of some here.....and elsewhere...

SK is also deluded by the present system which entails private financiers fundind the public sector (governement)  via "taxpayer money"  and the private sector,  with interest bearing debt-money.

Resulting in democracy maintaing warfare between rich and poor taxpayers.

("Lawfare" is often based in cultural sovereignty bs).

Hope this helps...
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Now that we've got you by the balls here - which precisely of these 'values' you discuss are peculiarly Western and which peculiarly Chinese or Vietnamese? Which specific business principles, for instance, or social principles, do you think apply only to one or the other of these 'sides' you see here?

Are the 'values' of the Chinese hierarchy any different from the West?  HOW?

Are the 'values' of Vietnamese hierachy any different again, same-same?  HOW?

Ha, ha - all have same 'business' mode.... ha, ha - you onry measure by what you consider 'success'... all have same-same social mode .... top dog deserving what can get... ha, ha... many at bottom eat fried snake ..... if can catch cobra in rice paddy...

Remember discussion with Indian eye-checker?  She say "Aborigines badly treated in past!" ... then say - "System here great - get what you can get from it is the way!" ..... so ...

... all right for New Australian Indian to get cream from Australia using 'system' ...... that's the way it is, right?   But any past getting cream of future dream for family etc with Aborigines lagging behind no good?  Good for modern day Indian import - not good for past day English etc import......

THAT is how these people in schools are taught here these days..... to be stupid is as stupid does... I think she began to realise what she was saying.... she went quiet...  OOPS ....

I can come here, study, 'invest' in property portfolio etc excluding and over the top of others etc to get what I want - that is the 'system' here ...... all well and good..... in the past an Anglo (etc) coming here and hacking a 'property portfolio' of a homestead out of the wilderness over the top of the local itinerant inhabitants was no good... even though it created the situation I can now enjoy to the max in my cunning Furrun way where all family know value of money and work under Patriarchy and gain massively over what they could ever do 'back home' where - apparently - things are more 'civilised' than being here in a colony torn from the Aborigines....

Bizarre thinking... truly bizarre...

When will Australia wake up?   8-)

Far king hell. Does any other casual reader of tgd see how utterly reliant tgd's belief that people living in poverty have to be dependent on the government doing things for them? Poverty can be eliminated or mitigated through the efforts of those affected participating in the community.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 9:01pm:

Far king hell. Does any other casual reader of tgd see how utterly reliant tgd's belief that people living in poverty have to be dependent on the government doing things for them? Poverty can be eliminated or mitigated through the efforts of those affected participating in the community.

In his ideology every individual must be a vassal of the state... the state knows best and the betters in the state management know best of all - you see a lot of that with modern Labor ... including in their appointed flunkies in departments and such... it's the absolute form of anti-socialism - neo-Feudalism at its very best - and they are so blind they cannot see it through their piles of dollar bills - like the 'governor-general' who's finally made it through the time-honoured back passage of upholding the party line etc until slotted into a prime earner with lifetime benefits...

By jingo - most of us have been in the wrong business  - or are too honest with ourselves.... or are not just naturally abysmally stupid....

Now you listen to me you rotten little freeholder on Fraser ... you'll take what we give you and you'll like it!!  Or see how you go taking this department on!!!  WE have the power and your money to back it up!!

An unjust law, or regulation or policy - is no law or regulation or policy at all........ bring on the lynching ropes!!

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 8:31pm:

So dictatorship in any of its guises gives everyone a fair and equal chance at the big time?

No; otoh, an authoritarian meritocracy MAY actually engender common  prosperity, ie no-one living in poverty, unlike democracies where rule by 50% + 1 of the most competitive individuals who win the election by voting for their own self-interest, NEVER eradicate poverty.   

eg, successive Oz  governments have failed to lift the dole to above-poverty level: the upper 50% of taxpayers don't want to  eradicate poverty among the lower  50%, usually blighting around 10% of the nation's population.


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ok ...................... see where your blind ideology leads you?

O dear....it's mirror time......

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 8:46pm:

Now that we've got you by the balls here -

In your dreams....


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which precisely of these 'values' you discuss are peculiarly Western and which peculiarly Chinese or Vietnamese? Which specific business principles, for instance, or social principles, do you think apply only to one or the other of these 'sides' you see here?

Intelligent questions always welcome:

Western values are based on the  "freedom" of the individual; one-party Marxist states are based on the wellbeing of the collective, ie, all individuals in the collective, regardless of differing capacity to compete: "from each according to his ability".


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Are the 'values' of the Chinese hierarchy any different from the West?  HOW? Are the 'values' of Vietnamese hierachy any different again, same-same?  HOW?

Described above. Of course every nation is differnet so different outcomes are to be expected, but still  engendering common prosperity.


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Ha, ha - all have same 'business' mode.... ha, ha - you onry measure by what you consider 'success'...

You tripped-up again: 'business mode' is determined by government, success is above-poverty particpation for all (you can still be very rich if you play your cards right - hopefully in a way beneficial to the nation).


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THAT is how these people in schools are taught here these days..... to be stupid is as stupid does... I think she began to realise what she was saying.... she went quiet...  OOPS ....

Yes, blind attachment to cultural, racial, and other identities, is responsible for much idiotic teaching in schools - including your "absolute national sovereignty" bs which is destroying the world.


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I can come here, study, 'invest' in property portfolio etc excluding and over the top of others etc to get what I want - that is the 'system' here ...... all well and good.....

No it's not "well and good": one in 6 kids are living in poverty and housing and cost of living for many is in a state of crisis.


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apparently - things are more 'civilised' than being here in a colony torn from the Aborigines.... Bizarre thinking... truly bizarre... When will Australia wake up?   8-)

Not while your conception  of 'personal responsibility' is evident, and the system pits self-interested taxpayers against self-interested taxpayers, resulting in government 'austerity' (as all taxpayers want to pay less tax).

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 11:09pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2024 at 9:01pm: Far king hell. Does any other casual reader of tgd see how utterly reliant tgd's belief that people living in poverty have to be dependent on the government doing things for them? Poverty can be eliminated or mitigated through the efforts of those affected participating in the community. In his ideology every individual must be a vassal of the state...

Refuted in my previous post; a meritorious state engenders above-poverty participation for all; no vassals to be seen. 

I'm waiting on the time when only those deemed worthy to be Party members will have a vote.... wonder which Party will be the one?  Should be interesting...

In good news week - on the way home, Lakes Way just this side of the second hills after dark from taking the Eld Gel to visit her disabled son who is working for the NDIS now - I missed that wandering horse in the middle of the road at 100 kph.... dark brown with a few white marks... hard to see on low beam after the ghett who tail-gated for a while galloped off and I wouldn't glare him up with my massive lights... sudden sight and the old 75 yo still has his eyesight and his reactions like a fighter pilot.... missed by THAT much!!!  Brake, swerve, flash lights and emergency yellows for the car behind us... still at speed... blow horn ..... guy behind hit the brakes and didn't hit the horse... low beam, too.

Still good in an emergency.... doesn't even think - just acts.... mosta youse dicks woulda hit the horse ...

Nah. It was a moonless night and black horse was standing on the dark road. No problems. Blind drivers cut into roundabouts, 5mm off the port bow. No problems.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 7:18pm:

I'm waiting on the time when only those deemed worthy to be Party members will have a vote.... wonder which Party will be the one?  Should be interesting...

You are confused as usual.

A one-party meritocracy chooses the most able (starting at the local level), who then make policy by consensus of policy makers  at the national level. 

As opposed to the half of the population who even bother to turn up to non-compulsory elections in democratic circuses, and then split down the middle to elect the governming party determined by as little as 50% +1. 

Hopeless, self-interested, blind-leading-the-blind chaos.

Should be 'lots of fun' in the UK and France this weekend (!), and the US in November. 



 

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 10:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 10:52pm: JC Denton wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 8:54pm: Quote: And where do they go? russia has been the biggest recipient of ukrainian refugees Russia has a lot of Ukrainians aligning themselves with Russia. Palestine has a lot of people of all persuasions aligning with Palestinians.

Yes ... idiot terrorist supporting POS like you.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 10:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 10:52pm: JC Denton wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 8:54pm: Quote: And where do they go? russia has been the biggest recipient of ukrainian refugees Russia has a lot of Ukrainians aligning themselves with Russia. Palestine has a lot of people of all persuasions aligning with Palestinians.

Off topic: Let it be known that I don't have a problem with all Palestinians. I have a problem with the Palestinians that don't want to achieve peace. Same with Israelis. I don't have a problem with Israelis. I just have a problem with those that attack innocent Palestinians -- the non-combatants.