https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13548627/mornington-peninsula-victoria-teen-pushed-elderly-lady-pier-laughed.html

20th June 2024.

He committed this offence of pushing the person off the pier while he was already bailed.

He walked out of court on Tuesday without a conviction.



A seaside Australian community has been left outraged over the sentence given to a teenager who pushed an elderly woman off a pier as a prank.

The boy was 14 when he pushed the woman off Mornington Pier, in Victoria, in January along with two mates, one of whom recorded video of the incident.

The stunt could have caused the woman - who could not swim - to drown if others had not jumped in to save her.

And now there is shock in the Mornington Peninsula community after the boy, who has since turned 15, walked out of court on Tuesday without a conviction.

He was instead given a diversion order, meaning he will undergo a mandatory program including counselling and education.

Chris Crewther, the state MP for Mornington and Victorian Opposition spokesman for justice and corrections, said it amounted to no more than a 'rap on the knuckles'.

'It was pretty shocking for me and most of the Mornington community at the time, that these three young people would just push an elderly person off the pier for no reason whatsoever,' he told 3AW radio.

'I was equally shocked, with our community, that basically he only got a rap on the knuckles.'

The boy was on bail at the time of the attack, but the court heard he was remorseful for what he did.

Mr Crewther, however, is sceptical about this claim.

'He said he was remorseful in court, but then he gave the finger to people outside of the court,' the MP said.

'There's really not much justice for victims, and continued fear, and when there's no consequences they just go on to commit more crimes.'

cont .

Mr Crewther agreed with radio host Jacqui Felgate that the youth crime crisis in Victoria has a 'nasty element' to it.

'I think we've seen this growing more and more recently, where young people are committing crimes and bragging about their crimes on social media and elsewhere, but there seems to be little consequences for youth committing offences,' he said.

He also pointed out that Mornington Police station is operating on reduced hours.

'This has happened under the state Labor government, where they've reduced hours for multiple different police stations across Victoria,' he said.

'In particular in this case, you look at the fact that the young guy was on bail for assault, for assaulting a 35-year-old female.

'He committed this offence of pushing the person off the pier while he was already bailed.'


Mr Crewther said this showed the Labor government is 'weakening our bail laws in Victoria, particularly with respect to abolishing offences of breaching bail conditions and abolishing offences of committing an indictable offence while on bail'.

During sentencing the magistrate told the court 'it's not going to be an easy process', adding that 'you're remorseful for your behaviour, which is a positive step for you and the community'.

The teenager's father told 9News outside court: 'We're very pleased with the outcome.'

If he completes that four-month order,
the charges against the 15-year-old will be wiped from his record. 

Breaching bail should be a mandatory 5 year sentence with hard labor.

No wonder we have no law and order in Melbourne.

Thanks for posting this thread bobby.

Even though the story, the account that was revealed in your posts, was disgusting.

It is just disgusting.

Do people chant at protests about how that offender's life matters, Bobby?

Yadda wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 9:40pm:

Thanks for posting this thread bobby. Even though the story, the account that was revealed in your posts, was disgusting. It is just disgusting.

Maybe only the Liberals can give us law and order?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 3:07am:

Do people chant at protests about how that offender's life matters, Bobby?

We need draconian laws.

We have had draconian laws, capital punishment as well. Crime was worse then. Prison is school for criminals.

Two self declared christians showing malice–filled personalities. Why am I not surprised?

In some moslem countries thieves have their right hand cut off. There is still stealing there.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 10:33am:

We have had draconian laws, capital punishment as well. Crime was worse then. Prison is school for criminals. Two self declared christians showing malice–filled personalities. Why am I not surprised? In some moslem countries thieves have their right hand cut off. There is still stealing there.

Monk supports soft cock magistrates.

Even though he was on bail when he pushed that old lady into the water
he walked out of the court, Scot free.
She couldn't swim and nearly drowned.    :o

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 10:33am:

We have had draconian laws, capital punishment as well. Crime was worse then. Prison is school for criminals. Two self declared christians showing malice–filled personalities. Why am I not surprised? In some moslem countries thieves have their right hand cut off. There is still stealing there.

'Crime was worse then' for countless reasons - not least being the tyranny of distance.  In the 1880's the pugs couldn't cetch Ned Kelly in Gippsland environs... nowadays they'd have him in a day ..... greater opportunity for the truly criminally minded ...

Punishments had little to do with it when the nearest cop was 100 miles away by donkey .... look at the north ea st corner of Tasmania.....  8-)

Bobby. wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 10:40am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 21st, 2024 at 10:33am: We have had draconian laws, capital punishment as well. Crime was worse then. Prison is school for criminals. Two self declared christians showing malice–filled personalities. Why am I not surprised? In some moslem countries thieves have their right hand cut off. There is still stealing there. Monk supports soft cock magistrates. Even though he was on bail when he pushed that old lady into the water he walked out of the court, Scot free. She couldn't swim and nearly drowned.    :o

So you can’t refute the substance of my claim. That would be because you are an ignorant idiot.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 12:01pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 21st, 2024 at 10:33am: We have had draconian laws, capital punishment as well. Crime was worse then. Prison is school for criminals. Two self declared christians showing malice–filled personalities. Why am I not surprised? In some moslem countries thieves have their right hand cut off. There is still stealing there. 'Crime was worse then' for countless reasons - not least being the tyranny of distance.  In the 1880's the pugs couldn't cetch Ned Kelly in Gippsland environs... nowadays they'd have him in a day ..... greater opportunity for the truly criminally minded ... Punishments had little to do with it when the nearest cop was 100 miles away by donkey .... look at the north ea st corner of Tasmania.....  8-)

In the good old days they used to string criminals up for just about anything.

And crime was higher and more violent than now.

Wow, the stupid ignorant troll supports my argument!

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 3:23pm:

And crime was higher and more violent than now. Wow, the stupid ignorant troll supports my argument!

Monk has ASPD :

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1617167598/0#0

And the idiot troll tries to deflect.

You have shown yourself to be:

1. ignorant

2. stupid

Look at the state of the Environment board, pigs wouldn’t make such a mess. When you gonna discuss the environment, idiot?

3. a troll. Roaring 40s, tropical dog etc etc etc repeated near ad infinitum.

Truth a full defence.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 9:39am:

We need draconian laws.

draconian = = (of laws) excessively harsh and severe.


I disagree bobby!   ......strongly.

What are you thinking bobby !!!         :P



We do not need to   >> empower <<   an authoritarian government, which would introduce draconian laws.

That, is what ISLAM is, with Sharia law.

That, is what the Stalinist regime introduced - closed state courts [courts which are not open to scrutiny, by all citizens].

Such draconian laws would trample upon our peaceable rights, and governments would be able to kill us, and to murder us.

China
Russia
North Korea
Iran
Saudi Arabia


bobby,

All we need is a justice system where the choices of criminals,
would always have 2x or 3x the consequence for the individual criminal.


bobby,
Appropriate Justice, it isn't rocket science.

IMO, it is a lovely thing, a lovely thing.

Deuteronomy 25:1
If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

Why not ?
.......'condemn the wicked', AND if they are convicted, give them a consequential sentence ?



e.g.
IT IS NOT MURDER, IF SELF DEFENCE ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY
Exodus 22:2
If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.


Exodus 21:12
He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
13  And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee.
14  But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.


Q.
What is wrong, with a 'consequential justice', such as suggested above ?

Appropriate justice, is an absolutely lovely thing.


.


Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.


Proverbs 28:4
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.


Proverbs 28:5
Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.



LOVE GOD, love His righteousness.

Enjoy the presence of God's peace, in your heart.

It isn't rocket science.

Yadda wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 5:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 21st, 2024 at 9:39am: We need draconian laws. draconian = = (of laws) excessively harsh and severe. I disagree bobby!   ......strongly.

Stop being a soft cock -

if that was your mother being pushed into the water off a pier -
you'd want justice too.

Walking away Scot free is not justice.

Quote:

Stop being a soft cock -

Bobby likes his cocks hard

Judge Dampier Lettuslief.... His Honour Sofkok presiding ... for the prosecution appears Mr Plen T. Jerkinoff ...  for the defence Smarmi Esywaiout ...  call Mr John Smith!

"Youse pack of dickheads... if mothra was here she'd eat you alive!"

"Well, Mr smith - what does this 'mothra' look like?"

Godda picture:-
https://www.instyle.com/thmb/6Kuqg2at3jEoe8y3h8w3G9Mhdac=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/101514-debra-messing-594-36a1871071484fac8437e1462b1320f2.jpg

"Done deal.... thank you, Mr smith..."

Bobby. wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 9:39am:

We need draconian laws.

This morning in bed, i woke up, and i switched on the bedside radio.......
in time to catch the top of the hour ABC radio news.

And listening, it seemed to me, that every instance of a local [Australian] news report,
was a report of an individual visiting some form of violence upon someone else !

I kid you not !

It makes one ponder,   ...What is the cause of all of this LAWLESSNESS ?

Ah, well there is a full moon.
......perhaps we can blame celestial events as the cause of all of this violent LAWLESSNESS being reported in Australia ?
/sarc off


QUESTION;
Why is such violent LAWLESSNESS in Australia seem so prevalent today ?

prevalent = = widespread in a particular area at a particular time.


And then, i go to the ABC online news site
https://www.abc.net.au/news         .....to find those stories,
and all there is there, is this pap........

pap = = bland soft or semi-liquid food such as that suitable for babies or invalids.

Pap, pap, pap......


THIS IS ON THE ABC, 'JUST IN' NEWS TODAY.........



Town strips down to save its local aged care centre


Settling the debate over whether Australia or New Zealand invented the pavlova. Here's what you need to know


These places lay claim to being the coldest in Australia, as the bitter cold snap continues


Katherine's sperm donor father could have created up to 700 children. She has a message for the IVF clinics responsible


Just desserts: These six treats are a delicious way to warm up


Why migrants are $140,000 worse off than people born in Australia


After three years away from home, Raelene can now have dialysis on country


City of Yarra proposes giving CEO permission to sell property worth up to $10m without councillor approval


Nuclear power could put these tiny towns in the national spotlight, but residents' opinions are divided


As the ACT's longest serving chief minister, Andrew Barr faces an election in October. What is his legacy?




Pap, pap, pap.....AT THE ABC NEWS SITE.

QUESTION;
Why is it, that no one trusts MAINSTREAM news sources today ?

You don't believe me ????
-------- >
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-23/settling-the-debate-over-who-invented-the-pavlova/103541682

And how many 'pages of screen' does the ABC News site dedicate to a pavlova story ?

I counted   >> 37 pages <<   of screens [on my PC].

And all Australian taxpayers are paying for this PAP news site.



p.s.
I was unable to find ANY of the stories, that i had just heard, on my ABC Radio news.

Perhaps i just imagined them all ?

Is the ABC AI hiding provocative stories from 'people like myself' ?


WHAT A COMPLETELY CRAP COUNTRY AUSTRALIA HAS BECOME.

Yadda,

Quote:

I was unable to find ANY of the stories, that i had just heard, on my ABC Radio news.

The ABC is the propaganda arm of whichever Govt. is in power.

Govts. want to tell us that all is well under their leadership.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 9:27am:

Yadda, Quote: I was unable to find ANY of the stories, that i had just heard, on my ABC Radio news. The ABC is the propaganda arm of whichever Govt. is in power. Govts. want to tell us that all is well under their leadership.

I think you must be correct bobby............


e.g.
I just did a search at the ABC News site for the word CRIME,
and for the word CRIMINAL.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/search?query=crime

https://www.abc.net.au/news/search?query=criminal


Quote:

Sorry, there is an error and we cannot update your search results. Please refresh the page or try again in a few minutes.

The ABC News site algorithm cannot find a single hit
ANYWHERE, ON ITS WHOLE SITE,
for the word 'CRIME', or, for the word 'CRIMINAL'.


And   >> YOU <<   are paying for this national, Australian 'News site',
with your tax dollars.

Or you people are idiots?

I just searched crime on the abc news site and got pages of hits. Perhaps you all need help on how to spell  ABC?

John Smith wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 10:10am:

Or you people are idiots? I just searched crime on the abc news site and got pages of hits. Perhaps you all need help on how to spell  ABC?

No, not correct.

That search still returns an error for me.



Quote:

I just did a search at the ABC News site for the word CRIME, and for the word CRIMINAL. https://www.abc.net.au/news/search?query=crime https://www.abc.net.au/news/search?query=criminal [quote] Sorry, there is an error and we cannot update your search results. Please refresh the page or try again in a few minutes.

[/quote]



Quote:

p.s. I was unable to find ANY of the stories, that i had just heard, on my ABC Radio news. Perhaps i just imagined them all ? Is the ABC AI hiding provocative stories from 'people like myself' ?

WWW sites can do that now/'today'.

The WWW site, can 'return' an individualised response, to a search,
from any individual, who does a search online.


Yadda = = Persona non-grata, at 'YOUR ABC'.

persona non grata = = an unacceptable or unwelcome person.