Labor created this beast, they must fix it.

Where is Bill Shorten? Ahh, at the Ukraine Peace Summit. Since when is that part of his portfolio?

The NDIS already costs more than Medicare to operate. Worst of all? It is still growing.

Wasn't the NDIS meant to be for the severely disabled? Yet, these days 40 percent of its clients are young boys diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder. How many of these are genuine cases?

It'll get to the point where the NDIS becomes the largest budget line.

Unfortunately, the government needs to change the law and kick a lot of people off of the NDIS. Yes, it is politically difficult (especially for Labor), but it must be done sooner and not later.

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Online marketplace of unregistered NDIS services prompts call for better regulation

Amid concerns the NDIS could blow out to $90bn a year by the end of the decade, popular Facebook pages are linking participants to everything from fishing camps to Lego-based therapy.

By James Willis
17 June 2024

DAILY TELEGRAPH

Dungeons & Dragons gaming nights and Lego-based therapy are just some of the services being advertised in an emerging online marketplace for NDIS participants to spend their taxpayer funds on, as ­experts warn these pop-up businesses are not adequately vetted and risk blowing out the scheme which some say is becoming a “honey pot”.

With concerns the cost of the National Disability Insurance Scheme could blow out to $90bn a year by the end of the decade, The Daily Telegraph can reveal popular pages on Facebook are linking participants to everything from cleaners and dog groomers to fishing camps and Lego-based therapy.

The pages, which have no official affiliation to the expanding scheme, also offer NDIS 4WD weekends, luxury accommodation, ski trips and excursions to the movies. Several people also promote Dungeons & Dragons gaming nights on the pages, with one post claiming it was run by a “therapeutic host”.

FULL STORY: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/online-marketplace-of-unregistered-ndis-services-prompts-call-for-better-regulation/news-story/40663f0be09f3ab7a254abef3a3c9c92

I think you'll find a lot of that stuff is not even against the rules.

it's not rorting it if they're using it as its intended to be. it's obviously a completely retarded idea that was always going to waste a lot of money right from the start on frivolous and questionable stuff, but you should change the language by which you criticise it

There was always going to be two ways to approach something like the NDIS.

You either make it easy to claim to ensure that those who really do need assistance get it as quickly as possible, then clamp down as more data is available of what people are using it for vs what they need etc, or you take the other approach of making it almost impossible to claim and in turn neglecting those who need up.

It all depends on your point of view.  The original plan is about helping and removing the stigma around those who are in a position to need that help.

The contrast is being forced to assist but wanting to punish those who need it.

There has to be a middle ground.

Right now Labor do need to crack down on those abusing the system, no doubt.

But as always, it's interesting that only now, after a decade of the Coalition at the helm, to we actually expect anything to be done, or hold those in power accountable for doing it.

Australia is indeed the lucky country - it  has more money than sense.

Frank wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 12:30pm:

Australia is indeed the lucky country - it  has more money than sense.

not for long

Mr Shorten rejected those assertions.

"I do not agree that [those views] represent the 600,000 people in the community and 400,000 people working in the scheme."

"ABC News

I'm trying to understand this quote, is he saying we have 600000 people using NDIS and 400000 people working to administer the scheme?

Also how can you cut 14 million from the scheme but it's not a cut?

While the NBN has been and will always be the biggest waste of taxpayers funds in the history of Australia the NDIS must be not far from second?

Since the supposed Shorten NDIS reformation started there have been quite a few stories about those genuinely in need having their NDIS funding slashed.... this is the end result of 1 case - Courier Mail today....


Quote:

A BEAUTIFUL LIFE – BUT LET DOWN BY THE NDIS CHLOE GRIMSHAW A distressed teenager who had his NDIS funding slashed sent a desperate text message to one of his supporters asking if Bill Shorten had responded to a letter about his case just four minutes before he died. The final text message from Brisbane university student Jack Bailey to his occupational therapist, Izzi Harman, has left his grief-stricken family and support team demanding change to the system. Mr Bailey lived with late-stage duchenne muscular dystrophy, a degenerative muscle condition that meant he was confined to a wheelchair and reliant on 24-hour care. In the months leading up to his death, the National Disability Insurance Agency, which governs NDIS funds, unexpectedly slashed his funding – meaning he could no longer have a 24-hour carer. On August 11, the 19-year-old asked Ms Harman if she had received a response to their letter calling on National Disability Insurance Scheme Minister Bill Shorten to reconsider his case. “He sent me a text asking if we had a reply at 10.26am and his fatal cardiac episode started at 10.30am,” Ms Harman said. “It was quite literally the last thing he ever did.” Mr Bailey moved out of home and interstate, studied a double degree at university and worked as a lived-experience disability adviser. He was an enthusiastic powerchair footballer and a much-loved member of the Queensland Powerchair Football Association. Ms Harman said, however, the last months of his life were filled with anxiety and uncertainty after the NDIA unexpectedly took away his 24- hour support workers. On June 17, Mr Bailey was alone in his apartment when he suffered a life threatening cardiac incident, just managing to call himself an ambulance before blacking out. “I was so angry, I wrote that this could happen in all my reports and he got super lucky with the first cardiac incident, it was pure luck he felt a bit sick and dizzy so he called an ambulance for help before he blacked out,” Ms Harman said. “Jack’s family then gave the NDIS an update about his situation, we told them what had happened and we just didn’t get much acknowledgment of that.” According to Ms Harman, in the lead-up to Mr Bailey’s support plan expiring he spent hours on the phone with the National Disability Insurance Agency trying to ensure he had adequate care in place. “He was getting so stressed and even said to me at one point that he was getting anxious going to sleep every night because he wasn’t sure if he would have someone there to get him out of bed in the morning,” Ms Harman said. She said in a rush to put a plan in place, the NDIA made Mr Bailey’s support workers’ funding agency managed. This left the teenager unable to pay his well-established and personalised support team as he had previously done. While some of Mr Bailey’s support workers continued to assist him for free, the NDIA’s move meant he was alone for periods of time in his apartment. Ms Harman claimed inefficient staffing, a lack of training and ineffective processes when it came to Mr Bailey’s planning review meant his high level needs were not taken seriously. When he suffered a second, fatal cardiac incident in his unit on Sunday, August 11, he still had not been granted around-the-clock care by the NDIA. “Jack had a really beautiful full life before the NDIS let him down,” Ms Harman said. In a statement, Mr Bailey’s parents said for years the NDIS enabled their son to live his “absolute best life”, but ultimately failed to provide the support he needed leading up to his death. The NDIA did not respond by deadline. On Friday a request for a response was also sent to Mr Shorten’s office.

Hundreds of billions of dollars for submarines.

No money for disabled people. Or age pensioners. Or the unemployed.

And this from a so called Labor government (Labor in name only these days).

Disgraceful stuff.

JC Denton wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 11:45pm:

it's not rorting it if they're using it as its intended to be. it's obviously a completely retarded idea that was always going to waste a lot of money right from the start on frivolous and questionable stuff, but you should change the language by which you criticise it

Using the term retarded shows how out of touch you are....You should change the language by which you criticise it???

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Carl D wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 8:54am:

Hundreds of billions of dollars for submarines. No money for disabled people. Or age pensioners. Or the unemployed. And this from a so called Labor government (Labor in name only these days). Disgraceful stuff.

The Coalition were the ones who did the AUKUS deal not Labor....Labor introduced the NDIS for disabled people, raised the age pension and unemployment benefit all opposed by the Oppsition LNP....All this from a so called Coalition Government who opposed every measure to improve the lives of Australians....Disgraceful stuff!!!

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Reading further it appears the 14 million saved/cuts is by cracking down on the rorts/fraud.

If that's true are the criminals responsible for stealing 14 million p.a since the scheme/scam was introduced by Julia Gillard going to be prosecuted and jailed?

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 9:36am:

The Coalition were the ones who did the AUKUS deal not Labor....Labor introduced the NDIS for disabled people, raised the age pension and unemployment benefit all opposed by the Oppsition LNP....All this from a so called Coalition Government who opposed every measure to improve the lives of Australians....Disgraceful stuff!!! ::) ::) ::)

So, why doesn't Albanese and the ALP cancel AUKUS?

Surely the previous government didn't sign Australia up for something that would cost hundreds of billions of dollars without some sort of 'escape clause'?

They couldn't have been that stupid, could they? Oh, wait...  ::)

Of course, if there is an 'escape clause' no doubt it would cost Australia a lot of money to cancel the deal (the US would make sure of that) but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be anywhere near 368 billion dollars (which was the last figure I saw... it's probably closer to 400 billion by now).

And besides, what does Australia need these submarines for anyway? To protect us from invasion? Invasion by whom? The Chinese?

The Chinese won't need to even think about invading Australia soon  - with the rate our spineless pollies are selling off the country to them (and others) one bit at a time it won't be long before they own Australia outright.

Carl D wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 1:10pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 26th, 2024 at 9:36am: The Coalition were the ones who did the AUKUS deal not Labor....Labor introduced the NDIS for disabled people, raised the age pension and unemployment benefit all opposed by the Oppsition LNP....All this from a so called Coalition Government who opposed every measure to improve the lives of Australians....Disgraceful stuff!!! ::) ::) ::) So, why doesn't Albanese and the ALP cancel AUKUS? Surely the previous government didn't sign Australia up for something that would cost hundreds of billions of dollars without some sort of 'escape clause'? They couldn't have been that stupid, could they? Oh, wait...  ::) Of course, if there is an 'escape clause' no doubt it would cost Australia a lot of money to cancel the deal (the US would make sure of that) but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be anywhere near 368 billion dollars (which was the last figure I saw... it's probably closer to 400 billion by now). And besides, what does Australia need these submarines for anyway? To protect us from invasion? Invasion by whom? The Chinese? The Chinese won't need to even think about invading Australia soon  - with the rate our spineless pollies are selling off the country to them (and others) one bit at a time it won't be long before they own Australia outright.

The Coalition signed the deal you seam to be blaming Labor for....What would happen if Australia canceled another submarine deal after the French fiasco....All of the Coalitions making....Why would you believe Australia does not need defence assets like Submarines....Do you believe China is not a treat....You are right about Australia selling out to China....Remember Andrew Robb who leased the Port of Darwin to the Chinese for 99 years and then went to work for the same company....Why don't you lay your confected outrage where it belongs instead of sprouting bullshit???


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Andrew Robb takes role with Chinese company that operates Darwin port Former trade minister accepts position as consultant to the Landbridge Group, whose takeover of the port last year aroused controversy

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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/oct/31/andrew-robb-chinese-company-operates-darwin-port

Can we about the topic please?

I'm very interested in NDIS version 2 and hoping to understand and discuss it?

Daves2017 wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 1:48pm:

Can we about the topic please? I'm very interested in NDIS version 2 and hoping to understand and discuss it?

You called the NDIS a scam pouring mistrust and missinformation about the disabled who are the people being scammed....Service providers have been ripping off clients, overcharging and padding invoices to rip the scheme off....This does not mean the NDIS is a rort or disabled people are somehow responsible....Labor are trying to fix the scheme that the Coalition ignored and allowed to fester for 9 years of inaction were they did nothing!!!

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Please make a effort to quote me correctly.

I wrote scam/scheme.

For ( what I understand, and asking?) the scheme is possible worthy of saving from the scammers?

If you insist on protection of bill useless shorten I suggest you narrow your focus and single out the complete disaster and billions on billions wasted on the  utter failure the biggest waste of taxpayer money has ever been seen-
NBN

Hello Tony Abbott and partner Malcolm Turnbull

I find it hilarious that the ones who keep crying about all the rorts within the NDIS, have no problem with the rorting from the privatised 'employment agencies'. This is expected to cost us over $9B in the next four years.  ::)

John Smith wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 6:15pm:

I find it hilarious that the ones who keep crying about all the rorts within the NDIS, have no problem with the rorting from the privatised 'employment agencies'. This is expected to cost us over $9B in the next four years.  ::)

I'm sure Bill Shorten will get around to that in due course.

It's not coming out of his pension so no hurry

disabled people should be helped by their local communities.
people who are in expansive energy love being of service to the disabled

riding for the disabled was a massive volunteer undertaking that provided free riding to 10's of 1000's of disabled people

at zero cost to the taxpayer

now under yet another "big government scheme"

grifters buy some hack, link up with some grifter who runs an NDIS service and bill the crap out of the taxpayer (currently about $300 an hour) for some bored, half stoned disability support worker to take some disabled person to visit the grifter and their hack and recieve a much inferior service

and the volunteers no longer get the joy of serving their community


typical government BS crap

Daves2017 wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 7:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 26th, 2024 at 6:15pm: I find it hilarious that the ones who keep crying about all the rorts within the NDIS, have no problem with the rorting from the privatised 'employment agencies'. This is expected to cost us over $9B in the next four years.  ::) I'm sure Bill Shorten will get around to that in due course. It's not coming out of his pension so no hurry

Good thing you didn't wait for scummo or abbot to fix it.

Dodgy ethnic NDIS provider Cocoon facing ban, insha'allah


Ms Quinn was speaking after revelations in The Australian that the men behind Cocoon – ex-bankrupt Zaffar Khan and his longtime business partner ­Muhammad Latif – were able to keep operating despite failing ­audits and being the subject of a flood of complaints over more than four years.

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The person in charge and pulling the strings of Cocoon is former taxi driver Mr Khan, numerous company insiders have told The Australian.

He previously went bankrupt in New Zealand, was the subject of consumer protection warnings in 2007 and was accused in a 2015 civil case of promoting a scheme that had a “fraudulent design”.

He has been listed on Australia’s national personal insolvency index since August 2020 as having a personal insolvency agreement to settle debts.

Cocoon has been transitioning NDIS participants to other companies with related directors and owners, according to company insiders, support workers and documents obtained by The Australian.



Dodgy as ****, insh'allah.

Why did you feel the need to insert "ethnic" in the title?

It's not on the original from The Australian that you chose not to link to...

https://i.imgur.com/9tuzYiJ.png

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 20^th, 2025 at 11:00am:

Why did you feel the need to insert "ethnic" in the title?

He himself is an ethnic ... that's how stupid he is :D :D

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 20^th, 2025 at 11:00am:

Why did you feel the need to insert "ethnic" in the title? It's not on the original from The Australian that you chose not to link to... https://i.imgur.com/9tuzYiJ.png

Diverse ethics and values, innit. Diversity is our strength.

Anything else would be wacist.

Frank wrote on May 20^th, 2025 at 11:47am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 20th, 2025 at 11:00am: Why did you feel the need to insert "ethnic" in the title? It's not on the original from The Australian that you chose not to link to... https://i.imgur.com/9tuzYiJ.png Diverse ethics and values, innit. Diversity is our strength. Anything else would be wacist.

You were being racist... As usual...

Caught red handed again.

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 20^th, 2025 at 11:54am:

Frank wrote on May 20th, 2025 at 11:47am: ProudKangaroo wrote on May 20th, 2025 at 11:00am: Why did you feel the need to insert "ethnic" in the title? It's not on the original from The Australian that you chose not to link to... https://i.imgur.com/9tuzYiJ.png Diverse ethics and values, innit. Diversity is our strength. Anything else would be wacist. You were being racist... As usual... Caught red handed again.

;D :D :D


ex-bankrupt Zaffar Khan and his longtime business partner ­Muhammad Latif.




https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pinkpanther/images/5/58/Clouseau-0.jpg
Güüd wan, Clouseau!  :D :D

* 50% of all new jobs in 2024 were in NDIS
* 20% of all Aussies are now disabled
* In some communities more than 50% are disabled

https://x.com/nogulagsagain/status/1925453533467615449

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 9:27pm:

I think you'll find a lot of that stuff is not even against the rules.

Exactly.