This claim - that Israel is deliberately targeting women and children - has become something of a mindless chant from our racists here lately. As far as I can tell, not a single piece of evidence has been presented to support the claim. It appears to follow 'logically' from the fact that they are Jewish, every time a civilian gets killed in the war - a war which Hamas is deliberately dragging into the most heavily populated areas of Gaza.

This is happening in at least a dozen threads. The people doing the chanting are:

LTYC
Aussie
John Smith
Greg
buzzanddidj

There are plenty of other fairly absurd conspiracy theories also getting around. It seems that as soon as Jews are involved, a surprising number of people are gullible enough to believe anything they read on the internet. Some examples:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1706934335

This can add a few more people to the list:
Mothra
wombatwoody
thegreatdivide
dnarever

Thanks for the acknowledgment of my position.

Israeli Jews are committing mass murder and genocide against children and women of Palestine.

Israeli Jews don't want to fight Hamas freedom fighters because they shoot back at Israeli Jews.

Israeli Jews are deliberately murdering children and women.

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freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 12:30pm:

This claim - that Israel is deliberately targeting women and children - has become something of a mindless chant from our racists here lately. As far as I can tell, not a single piece of evidence has been presented to support the claim. It appears to follow 'logically' from the fact that they are Jewish, every time a civilian gets killed in the war - a war which Hamas is deliberately dragging into the most heavily populated areas of Gaza. This is happening in at least a dozen threads. The people doing the chanting are: LTYC Aussie John Smith Greg buzzanddidj There are plenty of other fairly absurd conspiracy theories also getting around. It seems that as soon as Jews are involved, a surprising number of people are gullible enough to believe anything they read on the internet. Some examples: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1706934335 This can add a few more people to the list: Mothra wombatwoody

Would you buy a used war from any of those people?  I still utterly fail to see why so many have such a range of 'issues' with Jewish people... it astounds me that they think not one thing of the brutal massacre of such people but whine endlessly when the attackers are hunted down and put their own people in the way.  It's just one step away from putting all Jewish people in ghettoes.  Pure madness.

I have Jewish ancestry, but know nothing about it really - I don't hate anyone, even Muslims as a group - just their assholes among them...  if the head dress fits ...... well - pack your bags and go back to where the Israelis can get you .... PLEASE!!

LTYC is nothing but a troll - he actually thinks this is fun.  Just ignore him... he'll come back at that one soon.... he's terrified that I've got his number..... unlike FTLW though - we don't yet have his address, photo and full name...... he's a very low priority target... 

Gon'mo for him one day... I like the one on the left - boundaries still to be fully organised along with barriers to escape from Abestine - check points for those willing to work or study - chance to bathe in the ocean with the crocs....

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Ohh look, the IDF's stooge is at it again ::) ::) ::)

Do you have any evidence to back up your conspiracy theories John, other than the fact that they are Jewish?

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 7:57am:

Do you have any evidence to back up your conspiracy theories John, other than the fact that they are Jewish?

35000 dead, mostly women and children, not evidence enough FD? How many have to die before you pull your head out of your arse?

Don't be shy now, give a number of how many have to die before you stop pretending it's all accidental? 100000? 500000? all of them?

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35000 dead, mostly women and children, not evidence enough FD?

No it isn't John. That number comes from Hamas, is not verified, and includes combatants. It is not evidence of anything, other than that there is another war.

Hamas' strategy is to start wars they have no hope of winning, then deliberately drag those wars into the most heavily populated areas of Gaza. You do not need another Jewish conspiracy theory to explain the outcome, which is why only terrorists and internet racists feel the need to invent them or take them seriously.

Why are you so gullible?

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 8:10am:

No it isn't John.

Absolutely it is


freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 8:10am:

That number comes from Hamas, is not verified

Bullshit. Human Rights watch has verified the numbers.

Now that we've got that out of the way FD, how many have to die before you decide it's not accidental? What will it take? Do you really have to see every last palestinain dead before you'll admit it's genocide?

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Human Rights watch has verified the numbers.

Can you provide a link and a quote?


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how many have to die before you decide it's not accidental?

I agree with you that it is not an accident. It is a deliberate and intentional strategy by Hamas to repeatedly start wars they have no hope of winning then drag those wars into the most heavily populated areas of Gaza. They welcome death.

Hamas chief reportedly looks forward to high civilian death toll in Rafah

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/hamas-chief-reportedly-looks-forward-to-high-civilian-death-toll-in-rafah-p7ky3m2j


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Hamas chief Yahya Sinwar has sent a message to exiled members of the terror group saying he would welcome an Israeli assault on Rafah because the high number of civilian casualties would intensify worldwide pressure on Israel, a report from the Wall Street Journal said on Thursday.

Hamas Covenant 1988

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp


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Article Eight: Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:48pm:

Quote: What if they hide behind their mothers skirts while lobbing rockets at Israel? You don't take the shot.  No one said it was supposed to be easy.

Do you ever feel like a witless puppet for the terrorists John?

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 8:25am:

Can you provide a link and a quote?

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Critics often criticise the MoH for being administered by Hamas, implying that its figures are not to be trusted. However, the World Health Organization (WHO) stated on Tuesday that it has full confidence in the MoH’s numbers. MoH statistics have also been verified by Human Rights Watch and used by the United States Department of State in past conflicts and as recently as March 2023, despite US President Joe Biden questioning those numbers without evidence.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/14/has-the-un-really-said-fewer-people-were-killed-by-israel-in-gaza

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 8:25am:

It is a deliberate and intentional strategy by Hamas to repeatedly start wars they have no hope of winning then drag those wars into the most heavily populated areas of Gaza. They welcome death.

What a load of bollocks. Do you beat your family members because they made you do it?  :D :D

John Smith wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 8:39am:

freediver wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 8:25am: Can you provide a link and a quote? Quote: Critics often criticise the MoH for being administered by Hamas, implying that its figures are not to be trusted. However, the World Health Organization (WHO) stated on Tuesday that it has full confidence in the MoH’s numbers. MoH statistics have also been verified by Human Rights Watch and used by the United States Department of State in past conflicts and as recently as March 2023, despite US President Joe Biden questioning those numbers without evidence. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/14/has-the-un-really-said-fewer-people-were-killed-by-israel-in-gaza

According to that article, you were lying. Again.

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 8:42am:

John Smith wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 8:39am: freediver wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 8:25am: Can you provide a link and a quote? Quote: Critics often criticise the MoH for being administered by Hamas, implying that its figures are not to be trusted. However, the World Health Organization (WHO) stated on Tuesday that it has full confidence in the MoH’s numbers. MoH statistics have also been verified by Human Rights Watch and used by the United States Department of State in past conflicts and as recently as March 2023, despite US President Joe Biden questioning those numbers without evidence. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/14/has-the-un-really-said-fewer-people-were-killed-by-israel-in-gaza According to that article, you were lying. Again.

Whats the matter fd? Did you just realise how gullible you are? How much you've been played for a fool by the IDF?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Even when I start a thread about internet racists spreading lies about Jews on behalf of a terrorist organisation, you feel compelled to respond with more lies about the Jews. And apparently you think it is funny.

Why is that John?

;D ;D ;D

go away FD, I've already shown you up for the absolute fool you are. Pretending you still have a clue isn't going to help you.

I wonder if Greg also thinks it is funny to spread these lies about Jews.

John Smith wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 8:43am:

freediver wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 8:42am: John Smith wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 8:39am: freediver wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 8:25am: Can you provide a link and a quote? Quote: Critics often criticise the MoH for being administered by Hamas, implying that its figures are not to be trusted. However, the World Health Organization (WHO) stated on Tuesday that it has full confidence in the MoH’s numbers. MoH statistics have also been verified by Human Rights Watch and used by the United States Department of State in past conflicts and as recently as March 2023, despite US President Joe Biden questioning those numbers without evidence. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/14/has-the-un-really-said-fewer-people-were-killed-by-israel-in-gaza According to that article, you were lying. Again. Whats the matter fd? Did you just realise how gullible you are? How much you've been played for a fool by the IDF?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

There is nothing about "deliberately" here.


On the other hand, every murder and rape by Gazans on 7 October was deliberate.

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:48pm:

Quote: What if they hide behind their mothers skirts while lobbing rockets at Israel? You don't take the shot.  No one said it was supposed to be easy.

John have you ever made demands this stupid of anyone who was not Jewish?

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There is nothing about "deliberately" here.

So you think they are that incompetent that they accidentally killed over 35000, mostly women and children?

You must be confusing them with the Danes.

What makes you think it is mostly women and children John?

freediver wrote on May 31^st, 2024 at 6:53pm:

What makes you think it is mostly women and children John?

the hamas "ministry of health" :D :D :D :D :D

freediver wrote on May 31^st, 2024 at 6:53pm:

What makes you think it is mostly women and children John?

Unlike you,  I've read reports on the subject

John Smith wrote on May 31^st, 2024 at 8:59pm:

freediver wrote on May 31st, 2024 at 6:53pm: What makes you think it is mostly women and children John? Unlike you,  I've read reports on the subject

What kind of "reports"?

I read the article you provided. According to it, you are lying. Again. About the Jews.

freediver wrote on May 31^st, 2024 at 9:48pm:

John Smith wrote on May 31st, 2024 at 8:59pm: freediver wrote on May 31st, 2024 at 6:53pm: What makes you think it is mostly women and children John? Unlike you,  I've read reports on the subject What kind of "reports"? I read the article you provided. According to it, you are lying. Again. About the Jews.

You didn't read shit, or don't understand what you are reading.  Either way it's your problem. 

John Smith wrote on May 31^st, 2024 at 8:59pm:

freediver wrote on May 31st, 2024 at 6:53pm: What makes you think it is mostly women and children John? Unlike you,  I've read reports on the subject

  ;D ;D :D :D

You sound like Bbwian.

Israeli political and military leaders stated in public that they wanted to murder all Palestinians.

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Frank wrote on May 31^st, 2024 at 10:40pm:

John Smith wrote on May 31st, 2024 at 8:59pm: freediver wrote on May 31st, 2024 at 6:53pm: What makes you think it is mostly women and children John? Unlike you,  I've read reports on the subject   ;D ;D :D :D You sound like Bbwian.

Yes, I did notice that he often makes you look like a fool too

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 31^st, 2024 at 10:49pm:

Israeli political and military leaders stated in public that they wanted to murder all Palestinians.

Fd will get excited at that picture

John Smith wrote on May 31^st, 2024 at 10:01pm:

freediver wrote on May 31st, 2024 at 9:48pm: John Smith wrote on May 31st, 2024 at 8:59pm: freediver wrote on May 31st, 2024 at 6:53pm: What makes you think it is mostly women and children John? Unlike you,  I've read reports on the subject What kind of "reports"? I read the article you provided. According to it, you are lying. Again. About the Jews. You didn't read shit, or don't understand what you are reading.  Either way it's your problem.

What kind of "reports" John? Can you quote them?

Why do you feel compelled to spread these lies about the Jews on behalf of a terrorist organisation?

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 7:40am:

What kind of "reports" John? Can you quote them?

various news articles. You can find them just as easily as I can

Israeli Jewish leaders publicly stated they intended to murder every Palestinian.

They are murdering children, babies, geriatrics, paraplegics, women, and everybody who doesn't have the means to shoot back.

Israeli Jews have destroyed every hospital, building, University, school, bakery, Mosque, Church, and every building of community importance.

Israeli Jews have even murdered Israeli Jews and the parents of the victims are too fearful to complain or protest.

Its mass murder, its Genocide, its the absence of humanity in Israeli Jews.

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Israeli Jewish leaders publicly stated they intended to murder every Palestinian.

Can you quote them?

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 10:53am:

Quote: Israeli Jewish leaders publicly stated they intended to murder every Palestinian. Can you quote them?

By the way, Israeli Jews are now being investigated for use of systematic rape against Palestinians since 1948 and before.

There are a few below. The Amelek reference is a historical reference where the Jews committed genocide against another ethnic group.

Please don't thank me.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-south-africa-genocide-hate-speech-97a9e4a84a3a6bebeddfb80f8a030724


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With the ground offensive getting underway in late October, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu cited the Bible in a televised address: “You must remember what Amalek has done to you.” Amalekites were persecutors of the biblical Israelites, and a biblical commandment says they must be destroyed. South Africa argued that the remarks showed Israel’s intent to commit genocide against Palestinians. Netanyahu denied that this week and said he was referring to Amalek as a way to describe Hamas and its attack. Two days after the Hamas attack, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said Israel was “fighting human animals,” in announcing a complete siege on Gaza. Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi from the ruling Likud party wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter, that Israelis had one common goal, “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.” Israeli Heritage Minister Amichay Eliyahu, from the far-right Jewish Power party, suggested that Israel drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza and said there were “no uninvolved civilians” in the territory. Israeli soldiers caught on video made similar remarks as they sang and danced in the early days of Israel’s ground offensive. On Oct. 7, a journalist wrote on X that Gaza should become “a slaughterhouse” if the roughly 250 people taken hostage by Hamas were not returned. Military officials and two Israeli pop singers are also cited by South Africa for making inflammatory comments. “The language of systemic dehumanization is evident here,” lawyer Tembeka Ngcukaitobi said for South Africa in remarks before the court. “Genocidal utterances are therefore not out in the fringes. They are embodied in state policy.”

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Israeli Jewish leaders publicly stated they intended to murder every Palestinian.

So they never actually said this?

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 12:00pm:

Quote: Israeli Jewish leaders publicly stated they intended to murder every Palestinian. So they never actually said this?

They did say that however, I am not prepared to spend countless hours searching for quotes some of which have probably been removed because of censorship of media.

FleaDriver knows they said this and he knows that is their intention if they could get away with it.

Israeli Jews are committing mass murder and genocide against Palestinians and have murdered other Israeli Jews with impunity.

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Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 12:40pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2024 at 12:00pm: Quote: Israeli Jewish leaders publicly stated they intended to murder every Palestinian. So they never actually said this? They did say that however, I am not prepared to spend countless hours searching for quotes some of which have probably been removed because of censorship of media. FleaDriver knows they said this and he knows that is their intention if they could get away with it. Israeli Jews are committing mass murder and genocide against Palestinians and have murdered other Israeli Jews with impunity.

Sounds like a Jewish conspiracy. Stating things publicly then covering it up with trickery.

If that is really their intention, why do you think they haven't done it?

Here are some victims:

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Why do you think they stated it publicly if their intention was to cover up their secret agenda? Do you think it is a grand conspiracy to make internet racists look stupid?

If their intention really is to murder every Palestinian, why do you think they haven't done it?

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:26pm:

Why do you think they stated it publicly if their intention was to cover up their secret agenda? Do you think it is a grand conspiracy to make internet racists look stupid? If their intention really is to murder every Palestinian, why do you think they haven't done it?

Too many witnesses.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2024 at 1:26pm: Why do you think they stated it publicly if their intention was to cover up their secret agenda? Do you think it is a grand conspiracy to make internet racists look stupid? If their intention really is to murder every Palestinian, why do you think they haven't done it? Too many witnesses.

So you think they are going to wait until no-one is looking?

Some Jews are averting their eyes to the mass murder and genocide. Others are cheering and demanding total extermination.

Ozpolitic Jews are rejoicing at every death of a child.

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freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:29pm:

So you think they are going to wait until no-one is looking?

why do you think he kicked out the media :D :D

https://time.com/6979208/israel-gaza-death-toll/


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In war zones, the percentage of civilians killed can vary widely. Studies have shown that more civilians die during fighting in urban areas. In a U.N. Security Council report titled, "Protection of civilians in armed conflict”, the U.N. examined the rate of civilian casualties in populated areas during conflicts in the year 2021. It found that 89 percent of deaths in urban areas were civilians. In non-urban areas that year, the civilian death rate fell to 10 percent.

Given that Hamas is restricting combat almost exclusively to urban areas, the evidence is entirely consistent with Israel not deliberately targeting civilians. It demonstrates both that Israel has in fact achieved a much lower percentage of civilian dead than is typical for urban combat, and that Hamas' strategy is designed to maximise civilian casualties. Israel cannot change Hamas' military strategy, but it can and does minimise civilian casualties within the limitations imposed by Hamas.

Hi, I think the debate has now move passed "If Israel is deliberately targeting civilians."

The debate is now that Palestinian civilian are actually legitimate targets for military action because they support hamas.

That is according to most right wing supporters of Israel. 

Israel's objectives change as their lies are exposed.

Israeli Jews are the rapists and baby decapitators.

Israeli Jews have murdered Israeli Jews with impunity. The victims' Jewish mothers even praised the Jewish murderers. That's absolute depravity and insanity.

Stats dont lie. 

As of 27/04/2024, the Israel defence force have dropped 75 000 tonnes of explosives / bombs over gaza.

Each 10000 to 120000 is equivalent to one nuclear bomb used in Hiroshima. 

So, to date, at least, 7 to 8 nuclear bomb worth of explosive used in Gaza. 

Any one with a brain can tell that this is type of indiscriminate killing.   The aim is to make Gaza non habitable, in order to drive the population out.  Even Blind Freddy can see that.

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:07pm:

Stats dont lie.  As of 27/04/2024, the Israel defence force have dropped 75 000 tonnes of explosives / bombs over gaza. Each 10000 to 120000 is equivalent to one nuclear bomb used in Hiroshima.  So, to date, at least, 7 to 8 nuclear bomb worth of explosive used in Gaza.  Any one with a brain can tell that this is type of indiscriminate killing.   The aim is to make Gaza non habitable, in order to drive the population out.  Even Blind Freddy can see that.

Well, the Allies dropped 2.7 million tons of explosives on Germany in WWII.

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 4:03pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 3:07pm: Stats dont lie.  As of 27/04/2024, the Israel defence force have dropped 75 000 tonnes of explosives / bombs over gaza. Each 10000 to 120000 is equivalent to one nuclear bomb used in Hiroshima.  So, to date, at least, 7 to 8 nuclear bomb worth of explosive used in Gaza.  Any one with a brain can tell that this is type of indiscriminate killing.   The aim is to make Gaza non habitable, in order to drive the population out.  Even Blind Freddy can see that. Well, the Allies dropped 2.7 million tons of explosives on Germany in WWII.

Lets do some math then. 

The figure is actually 2.7 million tonnes of explosives used over Europe.  1.35 million tonnes over Germany.   World war 2 lasted 6 years.

Area of Gaza is 360 square km.    Area of Germany is roughly 1000 times larger than that.   And if you use the same concentration of bombs, per area.... it would mean that over just 6 months of conflict, Israel dropped equivalent of 75 million tonnes of explosives if Gaza is size of Germany. 

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 12:30pm:

Hi, I think the debate has now move passed "If Israel is deliberately targeting civilians."

No it hasn't. The idiots are still chanting that claim.


tickleandrose wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:07pm:

Any one with a brain can tell that this is type of indiscriminate killing.

So not deliberate targeting then?

The evidence is clear. Many UN agencies have reported the crimes of Israeli Jews.

Israeli Jews are committing mass murder and genocide of Palestinians.

The US, EU, UK, France, and Germany are directly complicit in the murder, the supply of weapons and munitions they know will be used for genocide, and for providing political cover for Israel.

The Global public is turning against the perpetrators and the accomplices of this crime.

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BREAKING:

It is being reported up to 100 Palestinians have been killed due to a strike on a school in Gaza sheltering displaced residents.

I’m really getting fed up with this ridiculous lie that Israel is deliberately targeting civilians. First of all, they are not and never have. It’s no secret that Hamas and Hezbollah use civilians as human shields. They situate their weapons, planning and intelligence centres, command and control centres, hideouts for senior militants, etc in civilian areas such as apartment buildings and schools and hospitals in the hope that Israel won’t attack those targets and if they do, they’ll cop a lot of flak for doing so. We’ve seen this when Israeli special forces infiltrated a hospital in Gaza and carried out a surgical mission to eliminate a terrorist in the hospital. They took great risks to their own personnel to ensure civilians were not harmed when it would’ve been easier to just level the hospital with a bunch of 2000lb bombs. When they have bombed civilian areas, they’ve warned civilians in advance of the impending strike, as we saw last week, in order to minimise the risk to civilians. It’s not the fault of Israel that Hamas and Hezbollah use apartment buildings as launch sites for their rockets or storage sites for their weapons and ammunition. Are the Israelis to just leave those sites untouched and allow them to kill Israeli citizens without fear of retaliation?

Please stop persisting with this ridiculous lie. Anyone who does just looks like a freaking moron who will believe anything they’re told, just like the MAGA freaks.

Israeli Jews are targeting civilians and are committing mass murder and genocide.

The civilized world must act against Israel to stop the genocide.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Oct 7^th, 2024 at 3:07pm:

Israeli Jews are targeting civilians and are committing mass murder and genocide. The civilized world must act against Israel to stop the genocide.

A year ago today, Hamas infiltrated the border and killed more than 1,200 people and kidnapped over 250 - some of which have since been murdered while being held captive in deplorable conditions. These people were simply at a music festival and were completely defenceless. On the other hand, Israel warns civilians to leave before they launch air strikes in areas where they could be harmed. Your ridiculous argument holds no water, so stop persisting with such a ludicrous and blatant lie.

Innocent Palestinian CHILD, a 14 year old, shot dead.
All he tried to do was stab a Jew.  :'( :'( can't even do that without the Jews responding with force.  :'( :'(


https://x.com/EretzIsrael/status/1846159463142588720

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 7^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

First of all, they are not and never have

so they are that incompetent that they accidentally killed 40 000 people? Got it.

Mass murder and genocide is being perpetrated by Israeli Jews.

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https://i.ibb.co/zGJj9dK/tomato-fight-la-tomatina-festival-in-spain-v0-mybws1lq0fld1.jpg

Israeli Jews are guilty of mass murder, genocide, and crimes of occupation.

The ICJ determinations on genocide are due soon.

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When will Arabs love their children more then they hate Jews?

I see the Jew haters are trotting out this nonsense again. Still no evidence, other than the fact that the Israelis are Jewish.

freediver wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 6:06pm:

I see the Jew haters are trotting out this nonsense again. Still no evidence, other than the fact that the Israelis are Jewish.

For the host of such a hate filled board, who refuses to enforce your very own rules around racial vilification and other forms of bigotry, signalling that you endorse it all, don't you think it's a little rich for someone like you to claim people who want to see the needless deaths of innocent civiliants end are hating jews?

You've allowed so much antisemitic content on here over the years that you got on the radar of The Executive Council of Australian Jewry in their 2012 report "2012 REPORT ON ANTISEMITISM IN AUSTRALIA", page 101 onwards.

You expect anyone to take that tactic of yours seriously?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2025 at 5:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 6:06pm: I see the Jew haters are trotting out this nonsense again. Still no evidence, other than the fact that the Israelis are Jewish. For the host of such a hate filled board, who refuses to enforce your very own rules around racial vilification and other forms of bigotry, signalling that you endorse it all, don't you think it's a little rich for someone like you to claim people who want to see the needless deaths of innocent civiliants end are hating jews? You've allowed so much antisemitic content on here over the years that you got on the radar of The Executive Council of Australian Jewry in their 2012 report "2012 REPORT ON ANTISEMITISM IN AUSTRALIA", page 101 onwards. You expect anyone to take that tactic of yours seriously?

:o

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2025 at 5:42pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2025 at 5:03pm: freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 6:06pm: I see the Jew haters are trotting out this nonsense again. Still no evidence, other than the fact that the Israelis are Jewish. For the host of such a hate filled board, who refuses to enforce your very own rules around racial vilification and other forms of bigotry, signalling that you endorse it all, don't you think it's a little rich for someone like you to claim people who want to see the needless deaths of innocent civiliants end are hating jews? You've allowed so much antisemitic content on here over the years that you got on the radar of The Executive Council of Australian Jewry in their 2012 report "2012 REPORT ON ANTISEMITISM IN AUSTRALIA", page 101 onwards. You expect anyone to take that tactic of yours seriously? :o

The Abu Rashid and Fatah days.
And who was Jan?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2025 at 5:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 6:06pm: I see the Jew haters are trotting out this nonsense again. Still no evidence, other than the fact that the Israelis are Jewish. For the host of such a hate filled board, who refuses to enforce your very own rules around racial vilification and other forms of bigotry, signalling that you endorse it all, don't you think it's a little rich for someone like you to claim people who want to see the needless deaths of innocent civiliants end are hating jews? You've allowed so much antisemitic content on here over the years that you got on the radar of The Executive Council of Australian Jewry in their 2012 report "2012 REPORT ON ANTISEMITISM IN AUSTRALIA", page 101 onwards. You expect anyone to take that tactic of yours seriously?

Thanks for the link. Yes I am rich. Not sure what your point is. The ones who hate Jews are the ones who want to see the slaughter continue.

Do you have any evidence that Israel is deliberately targeting civilians, or are you just here to show off your tapdancing skills?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2025 at 5:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 6:06pm: I see the Jew haters are trotting out this nonsense again. Still no evidence, other than the fact that the Israelis are Jewish. For the host of such a hate filled board, who refuses to enforce your very own rules around racial vilification and other forms of bigotry, signalling that you endorse it all, don't you think it's a little rich for someone like you to claim people who want to see the needless deaths of innocent civiliants end are hating jews? You've allowed so much antisemitic content on here over the years that you got on the radar of The Executive Council of Australian Jewry in their 2012 report "2012 REPORT ON ANTISEMITISM IN AUSTRALIA", page 101 onwards. You expect anyone to take that tactic of yours seriously?

Wow - it mentions one post from Master Light:



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In OzPolitics “it_is_the_light” wrote ”hitler was the illegitimate son of a Rothschild it is said, brought to power wanted to be "king of the world" he did some ethnic cleansing of inferior jews, this is called genocide,under the order and funded by elite jew bloodline and thus the genocide took place and the 'elite' jews got palestine..and still pretend to be a victim believe it or not Namaste” “PoliticalPuppet,” added “Wouldn’t surprise me, Regardless they were definitely funded by the Rothschild’s” (4/3/12)

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2025 at 5:03pm:

You've allowed so much antisemitic content on here over the years that you got on the radar of The Executive Council of Australian Jewry in their 2012 report "2012 REPORT ON ANTISEMITISM IN AUSTRALIA", page 101 onwards.

wow ..so fd is an acknowledged antisemite

no surprise ::)

John Smith wrote on Jun 13^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2025 at 5:03pm: You've allowed so much antisemitic content on here over the years that you got on the radar of The Executive Council of Australian Jewry in their 2012 report "2012 REPORT ON ANTISEMITISM IN AUSTRALIA", page 101 onwards. wow ..so fd is an acknowledged antisemite no surprise ::)

Gawd you are a moron, thicko.  Tres amusant.
Say something so we can all laff. Go on.

Frank wrote on Jun 13^th, 2025 at 6:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 13th, 2025 at 6:12pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2025 at 5:03pm: You've allowed so much antisemitic content on here over the years that you got on the radar of The Executive Council of Australian Jewry in their 2012 report "2012 REPORT ON ANTISEMITISM IN AUSTRALIA", page 101 onwards. wow ..so fd is an acknowledged antisemite no surprise ::) Gawd you are a moron, thicko.  Tres amusant. Say something so we can all laff. Go on.

OK.

I live in the hope that one day you might say something intelligent.
I know right, it's hilarious :D




Ya dumbarse.

John Smith wrote on Jun 13^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2025 at 5:03pm: You've allowed so much antisemitic content on here over the years that you got on the radar of The Executive Council of Australian Jewry in their 2012 report "2012 REPORT ON ANTISEMITISM IN AUSTRALIA", page 101 onwards. wow ..so fd is an acknowledged antisemite no surprise ::)

https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/0a/fb/e5/0afbe551bebeb9c24832311be3b646db.jpg

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/news/explosions-heard-in-iran-s-capital-as-israel-claims-preemptive-strikes/ar-AA1GD4JY?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=0cfc81a3e2074070b9116c606fe156e8&ei=79


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Explosions heard in Iran's capital as Israel claims preemptive strikes

Well - a few fewer leaders in Iran, anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I

https://i.imgur.com/1mzabwi.jpeg

Are you trying to say something Kanga, or can you not figure out how to put it into a sentence?

Even the isrealis have now given up the pretense that they are shooting at hamas, who is hiding behind civilians


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Israeli tanks kill 59 people at Khan Younis aid site in Gaza, local medics say ......... ......... In a statement, the Israeli military said: "Earlier today, a gathering was identified adjacent to an aid distribution truck that got stuck in the area of Khan Younis, and in proximity to IDF troops operating in the area. "The IDF is aware of reports regarding a number of injured individuals from IDF fire following the crowd's approach. The details of the incident are under review. "The IDF regrets any harm to uninvolved individuals and operates to minimise harm as much as possible to them while maintaining the safety of our troops." Medics said at least 14 other people were also killed by Israeli gunfire and air strikes elsewhere in the densely populated enclave, taking Tuesday's overall death toll to at least 73.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-18/brk-israeli-tank-fires-on-gaza-aid/105429632

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Even the isrealis have now given up the pretense that they are shooting at hamas, who is hiding behind civilians

You have given up any pretence of reading what you are quoting.

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 9:37am:

Quote: Even the isrealis have now given up the pretense that they are shooting at hamas, who is hiding behind civilians You have given up any pretence of reading what you are quoting.

Can you quote for me anywhere in that article where Israel is claiming it was shooting at Hamas?

No John, but they do make it clear that they do not deliberately target civilians. They would very rarely stop to identify whether or not the people they are shooting at belong to Hamas. That's not how war works, and only a moron (or someone eager to spread lies about Jews) would base their argument on the expectation that they do.

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 10:00am:

No John

So you agree with what I said


John Smith wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 9:33am:

Even the isrealis have now given up the pretense that they are shooting at hamas, who is hiding behind civilians

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 10:00am:

but they do make it clear that they do not deliberately target civilians

yes, like you they are in denial.

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So you agree with what I said

No John. I think what you said is entirely moronic. That you think the absence of a direct quote from the IDF in the article, saying exactly what you demand they say, proves anything shows that you are either very easily confused or eager to spread lies about Jews. I still can't figure out which. They made it clear enough that they are not deliberately targeting civilians, but your hatred of Jews is so strong that you managed to twist it around into almost the exact opposite of what they said.

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 10:11am:

No John

What part of what I said do you disagree with?

And please try to stick to what I said and not what the voices in your head said.

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 10:11am:

No John

What part of what I said do you disagree with?

And please try to stick to what I said and not what the voices in your head said.



freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 10:11am:

That you think the absence of a direct quote from the IDF in the article, saying exactly what you demand they say, proves anything shows that you are either very easily confused or eager to spread lies about Jews.

I haven't said it proves anything :D :D :D Feeling guilty are you fd?

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What part of what I said do you disagree with?

The entire sentence. As explained, it is entirely moronic. Your conclusion is pretty much the exact opposite of what the IDF actually said. To add to the idiocy, you blamed this on the Jews' confusion, not yours.

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2025 at 10:46am:

Are you trying to say something Kanga, or can you not figure out how to put it into a sentence?

It's remarkable, isn't it?

When Israel wants to strike a specific apartment nearly 2,000 kilometres away in Iran to take out a single military figure, it can land that missile with surgical precision. Yet when it comes to Gaza, just a few kilometres from its own border, suddenly, the precision evaporates and entire city blocks are levelled. Over and over again, the excuse is that "Hamas is hiding among civilians," as though that justifies flattening neighbourhoods.

But it feels like, even with that example, unless they can be quoted saying they've been deliberatly targeting civilians, you'll dismiss it huh FD?

Meanwhile, Israeli civilians are filmed in tears when Iranian rockets strike near homes or schools, sometimes near actual military targets like Iron Dome batteries or the Kirya itself, the IDF's central command embedded deep within Tel Aviv's civilian sprawl. Israel demands sympathy when its own military is embedded in populated areas, yet shows none when it accuses others of the same.

This is the hypocrisy: they bombed Iran, as Hamas bombed Israel. Then Iran fired back, as Israel did to Gaza. In every case, civilians were killed, and somehow, only some of those deaths are treated as morally outrageous.

And the online discourse? It's now teeming with voices condemning Iranian strikes as barbaric, some of the same people who were silent, or worse, cheering, when Gazan children were buried in rubble. Where was their outrage then? When the victims weren't Jewish or white? When they were Palestinian or Iranian?

You can't cherry-pick your humanity. If killing civilians is wrong when it happens in Tel Aviv, then it's wrong in Rafah and Tehran too. Selective empathy isn't just a moral failing, it exposes the racialised double standards that have polluted this entire conversation.

I'm sick of the civilian casualties that are happening in Gaza, Iran and Israel.

But I'm just some chump on the internet, I have no solution but I wish I could stop it.

And we can't even learn from it.  People will not accept the truth about why Iran restarted their nuclear program.

The whole situation is an absolute quagmire, so deeply politicised that having a rational, honest conversation about it feels like an exercise in futility.

And the worst part? Expressing any concern for innocent civilians or simply acknowledging the complex realities behind recent hostilities too often results in being branded antisemitic or accused of supporting terrorism.

This weaponisation of discourse shuts down nuance and stifles any meaningful dialogue, turning what should be a human tragedy into a toxic battleground of ideological posturing.

It's exactly this kind of toxic environment that makes progress and understanding virtually impossible.

Well considering the Muslim women and children of Gaza declare themselves willing to die WITH Hamas in their hate agenda of Death to Israel.
I really can't see where you're heading with this Sad Kangaroo?

Did you know that when Israeli soldiers in Gaza try to Shepard and convince Terrorists (posing as Civilians) at least on 50+ accounts young boys have pulled out hidden AK-47s and shot at IDF soldiers trying their best to save their ORCISH lives.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 2:40pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 17th, 2025 at 10:46am: Are you trying to say something Kanga, or can you not figure out how to put it into a sentence? It's remarkable, isn't it? When Israel wants to strike a specific apartment nearly 2,000 kilometres away in Iran to take out a single military figure, it can land that missile with surgical precision. Yet when it comes to Gaza, just a few kilometres from its own border, suddenly, the precision evaporates and entire city blocks are levelled. Over and over again, the excuse is that "Hamas is hiding among civilians," as though that justifies flattening neighbourhoods.

Are you claiming that in order to prove they are not deliberately targeting civilians, Israel should have brought as much destruction to Tehran in 3 days of conflict as it brought to the Gaza strip over more than half a century of conflict - with an enemy that was so close than any Muslim nutcase can, and frequently does, climb onto the roof of his parents apartment building to lob a cheap rocket over the border?

Am I missing something, or is your argument really that stupid?

I am sure Israel would be willing to level Tehran if that is what it takes to stop Iran nuking Israel.

Perhaps you should get your understanding of middle eastern conflict from a more reliable source than your gullible friends sharing idiotic memes on facebook.

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 3:12pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 2:40pm: freediver wrote on Jun 17th, 2025 at 10:46am: Are you trying to say something Kanga, or can you not figure out how to put it into a sentence? It's remarkable, isn't it? When Israel wants to strike a specific apartment nearly 2,000 kilometres away in Iran to take out a single military figure, it can land that missile with surgical precision. Yet when it comes to Gaza, just a few kilometres from its own border, suddenly, the precision evaporates and entire city blocks are levelled. Over and over again, the excuse is that "Hamas is hiding among civilians," as though that justifies flattening neighbourhoods. Are you claiming that in order to prove they are not deliberately targeting civilians, Israel should have brought as much destruction to Tehran in 3 days of conflict as it brought to the Gaza strip over more than half a century of conflict - with an enemy that was so close than any Muslim nutcase can, and frequently does, climb onto the roof of his parents apartment building to lob a cheap rocket over the border? Am I missing something, or is your argument really that stupid? I am sure Israel would be willing to level Tehran if that is what it takes to stop Iran nuking Israel. Perhaps you should get your understanding of middle eastern conflict from a more reliable source than your gullible friends sharing idiotic memes on facebook.

Are you missing something? By choice, and with deliberate dishonesty, yes, absolutely.

You're distorting the conversation, pretending I'm comparing a sustained military offensive to a single isolated airstrike, just so you can dismiss the actual point. That's not intellectual debate, it's sleight-of-hand rhetoric.

There are multiple examples, documented, verified, of single Israeli airstrikes that have obliterated entire residential buildings, even multiple homes at once, killing scores of civilians in Gaza. These aren't multi-day campaigns or the cumulative damage of a year-long offensive.

They're individual strike events, and they're devastating.

Yet when targeting deep inside Iran, over a thousand kilometres away, Israel has demonstrated they can strike a single apartment, kill a specific target, and leave the rest of the building standing. Precision is not theoretical. It is real, and it is used, when politically or strategically necessary.

This reveals a disturbing truth, collateral damage is not always accidental. Sometimes, it is policy.

Here are some example of what I'm talking about in Gaza:

March 2025 – Five‑Storey Residential Collapse (Northwest Gaza City):
One strike. Building gone. Around 30 civilians inside, only 3 recovered alive.

March 2025 – Eleven Homes Flattened (Bani Suheila to Beit Lahia):
One sortie. Multiple family homes erased. Women, newborns, and sleeping children, dead.

March 2025 – "Mass-Strike" Campaign (404 Dead in 24 Hours):
One day. Hundreds killed. Entire city blocks targeted, structures collapsed. Women and children comprised the majority.

April 2025 – Shuja'iyya Strike:
One airstrike. Eight homes levelled. At least 35 dead, 70 injured. Dense residential neighbourhood.

May 2025 – European Hospital Bombing:
Coordinated single-strike drop: nine bunker-busters in 30 seconds. The hospital, Gaza's largest, critically damaged.

May 2025 – Residential Building by Tents (Gaza City):
One building flattened, surrounded by tents housing displaced families. "Dozens" reported killed.

When Israel wants to avoid killing civilians, it shows it can, even in dense urban environments, even in hostile sovereign nations like Iran.
But in Gaza? That restraint evaporates. The result isn't just tactical damage, it's mass civilian death, and it happens with disturbing frequency.

This isn't about capability. It's about calculus. It's about what lives are deemed expendable, and in which context.

So how about this, since you're happy to misrepresent what I've said and the point I'm making to suit your argument, can I instead ask you, what evidence would it take to change your mind?

Poor old marsupial has been swallowing Hamas propaganda.

Israel doesn't target civilians.

But hamas want as many dead as possible.
How many civilians have been allowed to shelter in the underground tunnels ( like where Londoners went during the blitz)

Imagine Churchill saying " no civilians in the underground tunnels".

Now go away and have a think about it  ::)

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 4:21pm:

Poor old marsupial has been swallowing Hamas propaganda.

What have you been swallowing?

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 4:21pm:

Poor old marsupial has been swallowing Hamas propaganda. Israel doesn't target civilians. But hamas want as many dead as possible. How many civilians have been allowed to shelter in the underground tunnels ( like where Londoners went during the blitz) Imagine Churchill saying " no civilians in the underground tunnels". Now go away and have a think about it  ::)

Are you saying the Germans weren't targeting civilians?  Like, for real, what's your point?

All I'm doing is comparing their displayed capability in Iran to their strikes in Gaza and reading quotes that the IDF have made about Gaza and Gazans.

Deliberate or not, they have caused massive civilian casualties in Gaza, we can at least agree on that, right?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 4:22pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 4:21pm: Poor old marsupial has been swallowing Hamas propaganda. What have you been swallowing?

1 litre of winning

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 4:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 4:21pm: Poor old marsupial has been swallowing Hamas propaganda. Israel doesn't target civilians. But hamas want as many dead as possible. How many civilians have been allowed to shelter in the underground tunnels ( like where Londoners went during the blitz) Imagine Churchill saying " no civilians in the underground tunnels". Now go away and have a think about it  ::) Are you saying the Germans weren't targeting civilians?  Like, for real, what's your point? All I'm doing is comparing their displayed capability in Iran to their strikes in Gaza and reading quotes that the IDF have made about Gaza and Gazans. Deliberate or not, they have caused massive civilian casualties in Gaza, we can at least agree on that, right?

In Iran over 80% of the population hate Islam and the Islamic regime they aren't going to be human shields.
They listen to IDF warnings and GTFO where they intend to bomb.
Iranians on X are telling the IDF what regime targets to hit like state run propaganda called the media
They mock muslims for believing Muhammad rode a flying Donkey.

Hamas have called for civilians to be human shields they agree because they will become martyrs and be rewarded in Islamic afterlife.
Big difference there.

You have IRGC out in open areas not hiding in tunnels which makes it easier.

Urban warfare is the toughest when you add tunnels where people can run into them and appear 500m away it becomes  very difficult.

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freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 1:59pm:

The entire sentence.

So you don't think they've given up the pretense of shooting at hamas who is hiding behind civilians? Ok, I'll accept that.
:D :D

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 4:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 4:22pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 4:21pm: Poor old marsupial has been swallowing Hamas propaganda. What have you been swallowing? 1 litre of winning

sorry to have to tell you but that was donkey piss you were drinking ::)

Just to clarify John, are you claiming that you know the Jews have "given up the pretense" as you put it, because of things the Jew did not say?

And you know the Jew has never said these things because it was not quoted exactly as you demand he say it in an article you stumbled across on the internet in which he said a bunch of other things?

Never mind that the exact quote you expect the Jew to say is so stupid that it only reveals your naiveté about how you think war is conducted, or at least, how you think the Jews should conduct war.

And the fact that the Jew said other things that are almost the exact opposite of what you concluded must be attributed to confusion on the part of the Jew, and not to your confusion, your hatred of Jews, and your eagerness to spread lies about Jews at every opportunity?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 4:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 3:12pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 2:40pm: freediver wrote on Jun 17th, 2025 at 10:46am: Are you trying to say something Kanga, or can you not figure out how to put it into a sentence? It's remarkable, isn't it? When Israel wants to strike a specific apartment nearly 2,000 kilometres away in Iran to take out a single military figure, it can land that missile with surgical precision. Yet when it comes to Gaza, just a few kilometres from its own border, suddenly, the precision evaporates and entire city blocks are levelled. Over and over again, the excuse is that "Hamas is hiding among civilians," as though that justifies flattening neighbourhoods. Are you claiming that in order to prove they are not deliberately targeting civilians, Israel should have brought as much destruction to Tehran in 3 days of conflict as it brought to the Gaza strip over more than half a century of conflict - with an enemy that was so close than any Muslim nutcase can, and frequently does, climb onto the roof of his parents apartment building to lob a cheap rocket over the border? Am I missing something, or is your argument really that stupid? I am sure Israel would be willing to level Tehran if that is what it takes to stop Iran nuking Israel. Perhaps you should get your understanding of middle eastern conflict from a more reliable source than your gullible friends sharing idiotic memes on facebook. Are you missing something? By choice, and with deliberate dishonesty, yes, absolutely. You're distorting the conversation, pretending I'm comparing a sustained military offensive to a single isolated airstrike, just so you can dismiss the actual point. That's not intellectual debate, it's sleight-of-hand rhetoric. There are multiple examples, documented, verified, of single Israeli airstrikes that have obliterated entire residential buildings, even multiple homes at once, killing scores of civilians in Gaza. These aren't multi-day campaigns or the cumulative damage of a year-long offensive. They're individual strike events, and they're devastating. Yet when targeting deep inside Iran, over a thousand kilometres away, Israel has demonstrated they can strike a single apartment, kill a specific target, and leave the rest of the building standing. Precision is not theoretical. It is real, and it is used, when politically or strategically necessary. This reveals a disturbing truth, collateral damage is not always accidental. Sometimes, it is policy. Here are some example of what I'm talking about in Gaza: March 2025 – Five‑Storey Residential Collapse (Northwest Gaza City): One strike. Building gone. Around 30 civilians inside, only 3 recovered alive. March 2025 – Eleven Homes Flattened (Bani Suheila to Beit Lahia): One sortie. Multiple family homes erased. Women, newborns, and sleeping children, dead. March 2025 – "Mass-Strike" Campaign (404 Dead in 24 Hours): One day. Hundreds killed. Entire city blocks targeted, structures collapsed. Women and children comprised the majority. April 2025 – Shuja'iyya Strike: One airstrike. Eight homes levelled. At least 35 dead, 70 injured. Dense residential neighbourhood. May 2025 – European Hospital Bombing: Coordinated single-strike drop: nine bunker-busters in 30 seconds. The hospital, Gaza's largest, critically damaged. May 2025 – Residential Building by Tents (Gaza City): One building flattened, surrounded by tents housing displaced families. "Dozens" reported killed. When Israel wants to avoid killing civilians, it shows it can, even in dense urban environments, even in hostile sovereign nations like Iran. But in Gaza? That restraint evaporates. The result isn't just tactical damage, it's mass civilian death, and it happens with disturbing frequency. This isn't about capability. It's about calculus. It's about what lives are deemed expendable, and in which context. So how about this, since you're happy to misrepresent what I've said and the point I'm making to suit your argument, can I instead ask you, what evidence would it take to change your mind?

I am not ignoring anything. I am pointing out the stupidity of your argument. Collecting a few other equally stupid comments does not make it any smarter, and I did not think it necessary to go through the tedium of explain why every single comment is stupid. Was I wrong?

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Just to clarify John, are you claiming that you know the Jews have "given up the pretense" as you put it, because of things the Jew did not say?

I'm not sure how many times one needs to repeat it fd. I told you, stick to what i actually said, not what your imaginary voice tells you I've said. It'll make more sense that way. I'm claiming that they've given up the pretense of shooting at hamas who were hiding behind civilians.

:D
freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

And you know the Jew has never said

what jew are you referring to now fd?


freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Never mind that the exact quote you expect the Jew to say is so stupid that it only reveals your naiveté about how you think war is conducted, or at least, how you think the Jews should conduct war.

But I haven't said i expect them to say anything fd ... have you been drinking again? Those voices keeping you awake at night are they? :D


freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

And the fact that the Jew said other things that are almost the exact opposite of what you concluded must be attributed to confusion on the part of the Jew, and not to your confusion, your hatred of Jews, and your eagerness to spread lies about Jews at every opportunity?

is that a statement? a question? or just more mindless gibberish from you? Even you don't know what the hell you are going on about with that incoherent rambling. :D :D

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:14pm:

I am not ignoring anything. I am pointing out the stupidity of your argument. Collecting a few other equally stupid comments does not make it any smarter, and I did not think it necessary to go through the tedium of explain why every single comment is stupid. Was I wrong?

Ok, so since you'll ignore the comments from the IDF about Gaza and Gazans, you'll ignore the differences in the types of strikes they make in Gaza vs Iran and the difference in civilian casualties from single strikes in the same countries and just want to calle verything I say stupid, can you at least answer the questions as to what it would take to change your mind?

It's clear you're just going to dismiss everything I say or personally attack me, so lets work within your guardrails.

What would it take to change your mind?

And before we go any further, can you stop blurring the lines between the IDF and the Jewish people? 

That's the other thing you're doing is pushing this bullshit narrative that anyone who wants to see the IDF not kill so many civilians in Iran and Gaza as somehow attacking Jews.

Which again, is smacking rich coming from you...

John Smith wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 9:18pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 6:12pm: Just to clarify John, are you claiming that you know the Jews have "given up the pretense" as you put it, because of things the Jew did not say? I'm not sure how many times one needs to repeat it fd. I told you, stick to what i actually said, not what your imaginary voice tells you I've said. It'll make more sense that way. I'm claiming that they've given up the pretense of shooting at hamas who were hiding behind civilians. :D freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 6:12pm: And you know the Jew has never said what jew are you referring to now fd? freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 6:12pm: Never mind that the exact quote you expect the Jew to say is so stupid that it only reveals your naiveté about how you think war is conducted, or at least, how you think the Jews should conduct war. But I haven't said i expect them to say anything fd ... have you been drinking again? Those voices keeping you awake at night are they? :D freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 6:12pm: And the fact that the Jew said other things that are almost the exact opposite of what you concluded must be attributed to confusion on the part of the Jew, and not to your confusion, your hatred of Jews, and your eagerness to spread lies about Jews at every opportunity? is that a statement? a question? or just more mindless gibberish from you? Even you don't know what the hell you are going on about with that incoherent rambling. :D :D

The Jew (the one in the article you decided to quote) made it clear they do not deliberately target civilians. You insisted the Jew must have been confused when he said this, and based on the absence of some other, stupider version of the statement, concluded pretty much the opposite of what he said.

Is it only Jews that you apply your special logic to?

Do you hate them and spread lies about them at every opportunity because they are Jews, or because they are relatively wealthy and successful?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 6:31am:

freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 6:14pm: I am not ignoring anything. I am pointing out the stupidity of your argument. Collecting a few other equally stupid comments does not make it any smarter, and I did not think it necessary to go through the tedium of explain why every single comment is stupid. Was I wrong? Ok, so since you'll ignore the comments from the IDF about Gaza and Gazans, you'll ignore the differences in the types of strikes they make in Gaza vs Iran and the difference in civilian casualties from single strikes in the same countries and just want to calle verything I say stupid, can you at least answer the questions as to what it would take to change your mind? It's clear you're just going to dismiss everything I say or personally attack me, so lets work within your guardrails. What would it take to change your mind? And before we go any further, can you stop blurring the lines between the IDF and the Jewish people?  That's the other thing you're doing is pushing this bullshit narrative that anyone who wants to see the IDF not kill so many civilians in Iran and Gaza as somehow attacking Jews. Which again, is smacking rich coming from you...

I am pretty sure I have responded to each issue you raised, in this very thread, as well as many others. Combining the dozen or so stupidest arguments in support of the terrorists into one post doesn't make you special Kanga, it just makes you shifty. I am even happy to discuss them again, but before we proceed to the next stupid argument, do you agree that your facebook meme trying to draw some conclusion from a photo of Gaza vs Tehran was stupid? I am not saying you are stupid. I am hoping you are intelligent enough to realise that the meme you posted was stupid and thoughtless, and that you shouldn't spread lies about the Israelis all the time, regardless of how you feel about the Jews.

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 9:27am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 19th, 2025 at 6:31am: freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 6:14pm: I am not ignoring anything. I am pointing out the stupidity of your argument. Collecting a few other equally stupid comments does not make it any smarter, and I did not think it necessary to go through the tedium of explain why every single comment is stupid. Was I wrong? Ok, so since you'll ignore the comments from the IDF about Gaza and Gazans, you'll ignore the differences in the types of strikes they make in Gaza vs Iran and the difference in civilian casualties from single strikes in the same countries and just want to calle verything I say stupid, can you at least answer the questions as to what it would take to change your mind? It's clear you're just going to dismiss everything I say or personally attack me, so lets work within your guardrails. What would it take to change your mind? And before we go any further, can you stop blurring the lines between the IDF and the Jewish people?  That's the other thing you're doing is pushing this bullshit narrative that anyone who wants to see the IDF not kill so many civilians in Iran and Gaza as somehow attacking Jews. Which again, is smacking rich coming from you... I am pretty sure I have responded to each issue you raised, in this very thread, as well as many others. Combining the dozen or so stupidest arguments in support of the terrorists into one post doesn't make you special Kanga, it just makes you shifty. I am even happy to discuss them again, but before we proceed to the next stupid argument, do you agree that your facebook meme trying to draw some conclusion from a photo of Gaza vs Tehran was stupid? I am not saying you are stupid. I am hoping you are intelligent enough to realise that the meme you posted was stupid and thoughtless, and that you shouldn't spread lies about the Israelis all the time, regardless of how you feel about the Jews.

You've responded by saying they're stupid, not by debunking them. 

The two aren't the same.

But to avoid that, I've asked a simple question that you've dodged twice now.

What information would you need to convince you to change your mind on the subject?

What would it take?

Quote:

You've responded by saying they're stupid, not by debunking them.

I explained why your meme was stupid. Very clearly. As soon as you found a way to put it into words rather than pictures. You ignored that bit and focussed on your butthurt, then added the dozen or so other stupid arguments that have also been done to death.

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 10:32am:

Quote: You've responded by saying they're stupid, not by debunking them. I explained why your meme was stupid. Very clearly. As soon as you found a way to put it into words rather than pictures. You ignored that bit and focussed on your butthurt, then added the dozen or so other stupid arguments that have also been done to death.

3rd time you've dodged the question.


ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 4:10pm:

So how about this, since you're happy to misrepresent what I've said and the point I'm making to suit your argument, can I instead ask you, what evidence would it take to change your mind?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 6:31am:

What would it take to change your mind?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 9:56am:

What information would you need to convince you to change your mind on the subject? What would it take?

The good faith has almost evaporated.

Quote:

3rd time you've dodged the question.

I have answered it once. You were too hysterical to notice. I will continue dodging until you calm down and read my first response.

Answer the first question Scared-Kangaroo and  you shall find your inner peace. 🕊️

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 9:23am:

The Jew (the one in the article you decided to quote)

quote him ::)

John Smith wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 9:33am:

Even the isrealis have now given up the pretense that they are shooting at hamas, who is hiding behind civilians Quote: Israeli tanks kill 59 people at Khan Younis aid site in Gaza, local medics say ......... ......... In a statement, the Israeli military said: "Earlier today, a gathering was identified adjacent to an aid distribution truck that got stuck in the area of Khan Younis, and in proximity to IDF troops operating in the area. "The IDF is aware of reports regarding a number of injured individuals from IDF fire following the crowd's approach. The details of the incident are under review. "The IDF regrets any harm to uninvolved individuals and operates to minimise harm as much as possible to them while maintaining the safety of our troops." Medics said at least 14 other people were also killed by Israeli gunfire and air strikes elsewhere in the densely populated enclave, taking Tuesday's overall death toll to at least 73. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-18/brk-israeli-tank-fires-on-gaza-aid/105429632

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 1:11pm:

Quote: 3rd time you've dodged the question. I have answered it once. You were too hysterical to notice. I will continue dodging until you calm down and read my first response.

4th dodge.

I read all of your replies, and I didn't see the question answered.

Would you mind quoting your answer for me please?

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 3:12pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 2:40pm: freediver wrote on Jun 17th, 2025 at 10:46am: Are you trying to say something Kanga, or can you not figure out how to put it into a sentence? It's remarkable, isn't it? When Israel wants to strike a specific apartment nearly 2,000 kilometres away in Iran to take out a single military figure, it can land that missile with surgical precision. Yet when it comes to Gaza, just a few kilometres from its own border, suddenly, the precision evaporates and entire city blocks are levelled. Over and over again, the excuse is that "Hamas is hiding among civilians," as though that justifies flattening neighbourhoods. Are you claiming that in order to prove they are not deliberately targeting civilians, Israel should have brought as much destruction to Tehran in 3 days of conflict as it brought to the Gaza strip over more than half a century of conflict - with an enemy that was so close than any Muslim nutcase can, and frequently does, climb onto the roof of his parents apartment building to lob a cheap rocket over the border? Am I missing something, or is your argument really that stupid? I am sure Israel would be willing to level Tehran if that is what it takes to stop Iran nuking Israel. Perhaps you should get your understanding of middle eastern conflict from a more reliable source than your gullible friends sharing idiotic memes on facebook.

An additional point: a nuclear scientist eating cornflakes in his apartment is not as timely a threat as a muslim nutcase firing rockets over the border, which also allows for more precise targeting.

Also, the Gaza strip is much smaller than Iran, so you would expect the damage from an ongoing war to be more concentrated.

And: different levels of commitment. Hamas and the Palestinian people are far more willing to die in the cause of slaughtering Jews than the Iranian leadership or the Iranian people. Therefor, Hamas keeps attacking Israel, and suffering the consequences, way past the point at which you would expect Iran to fold.

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 2:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 9:33am: Even the isrealis have now given up the pretense that they are shooting at hamas, who is hiding behind civilians Quote: Israeli tanks kill 59 people at Khan Younis aid site in Gaza, local medics say ......... ......... In a statement, the Israeli military said: "Earlier today, a gathering was identified adjacent to an aid distribution truck that got stuck in the area of Khan Younis, and in proximity to IDF troops operating in the area. "The IDF is aware of reports regarding a number of injured individuals from IDF fire following the crowd's approach. The details of the incident are under review. "The IDF regrets any harm to uninvolved individuals and operates to minimise harm as much as possible to them while maintaining the safety of our troops." Medics said at least 14 other people were also killed by Israeli gunfire and air strikes elsewhere in the densely populated enclave, taking Tuesday's overall death toll to at least 73. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-18/brk-israeli-tank-fires-on-gaza-aid/105429632

thats a statement from the IDF FD, not 'the jew'. Why do you lie?

John Smith wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 3:17pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 19th, 2025 at 2:52pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 9:33am: Even the isrealis have now given up the pretense that they are shooting at hamas, who is hiding behind civilians Quote: Israeli tanks kill 59 people at Khan Younis aid site in Gaza, local medics say ......... ......... In a statement, the Israeli military said: "Earlier today, a gathering was identified adjacent to an aid distribution truck that got stuck in the area of Khan Younis, and in proximity to IDF troops operating in the area. "The IDF is aware of reports regarding a number of injured individuals from IDF fire following the crowd's approach. The details of the incident are under review. "The IDF regrets any harm to uninvolved individuals and operates to minimise harm as much as possible to them while maintaining the safety of our troops." Medics said at least 14 other people were also killed by Israeli gunfire and air strikes elsewhere in the densely populated enclave, taking Tuesday's overall death toll to at least 73. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-18/brk-israeli-tank-fires-on-gaza-aid/105429632 thats a statement from the IDF FD, not 'the jew'. Why do you lie?

You know the IDF is not a person, right John?

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 3:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 3:12pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 2:40pm: freediver wrote on Jun 17th, 2025 at 10:46am: Are you trying to say something Kanga, or can you not figure out how to put it into a sentence? It's remarkable, isn't it? When Israel wants to strike a specific apartment nearly 2,000 kilometres away in Iran to take out a single military figure, it can land that missile with surgical precision. Yet when it comes to Gaza, just a few kilometres from its own border, suddenly, the precision evaporates and entire city blocks are levelled. Over and over again, the excuse is that "Hamas is hiding among civilians," as though that justifies flattening neighbourhoods. Are you claiming that in order to prove they are not deliberately targeting civilians, Israel should have brought as much destruction to Tehran in 3 days of conflict as it brought to the Gaza strip over more than half a century of conflict - with an enemy that was so close than any Muslim nutcase can, and frequently does, climb onto the roof of his parents apartment building to lob a cheap rocket over the border? Am I missing something, or is your argument really that stupid? I am sure Israel would be willing to level Tehran if that is what it takes to stop Iran nuking Israel. Perhaps you should get your understanding of middle eastern conflict from a more reliable source than your gullible friends sharing idiotic memes on facebook. An additional point: a nuclear scientist eating cornflakes in his apartment is not as timely a threat as a muslim nutcase firing rockets over the border, which also allows for more precise targeting. Also, the Gaza strip is much smaller than Iran, so you would expect the damage from an ongoing war to be more concentrated. And: different levels of commitment. Hamas and the Palestinian people are far more willing to die in the cause of slaughtering Jews than the Iranian leadership or the Iranian people. Therefor, Hamas keeps attacking Israel, and suffering the consequences, way past the point at which you would expect Iran to fold.

All valid points.

So it's not that civilians aren't being deliberately targeted, it's that you believe doing so is somehow justified OR, you're trying to reclassify them as combatants?

If, as you suggest, every civilian is aligned by choice, then sure, that's a neat moral framework to work within. But it's far too tidy for a situation this fraught.

The problem is far more complex. The people of Gaza are not free to leave. They are trapped, hemmed in by Israel's blockade and Egypt's complicity, across land, sea, and air.

They are effectively in an open-air prison.

And then there's the political stranglehold.  There has been no election in Gaza for over 19 years. An entire generation has come of age under a government they never had the chance to vote for. People in their late teens or younger, old enough to die in airstrikes (well, that's ageless sadly), weren't even born when Hamas came into power.

So to suggest that all civilians are Hamas supporters, and are so "by choice" is not only intellectually lazy, it's dangerously dehumanising.

That framing brushes aside the lived reality of a population subjected to blockade, political repression, and generational trauma, all under the shadow of repeated military assaults and absolute external control.

Even if you've convinced yourself that some degree of collective punishment is acceptable, escalating that into "they deserve to die" is something else entirely, a moral abyss.

Quote:

So it's not that civilians aren't being deliberately targeted, it's that you believe doing so is somehow justified OR, you're trying to reclassify them as combatants?

No. I am saying it is a completely different type of war. It is stupid to conclude from an aerial photo of Gaza vs Tehran that Israel must be deliberately targeting civilians in Gaza, when there are plenty of bleeding obvious explanations that don't boil down to "those evil Jews". Do you agree?

And yes, taking out someone who is firing rockets at your citizens is justified. It is Hamas that makes the decision to put its own citizens in the line of fire, a violation of the Geneva convention. Israel cannot exactly decide to let them fire rockets over the border at will because they do so from urban areas. It cannot allow them to take hostages because they come from and retreat to urban areas.

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 4:50pm:

Quote: So it's not that civilians aren't being deliberately targeted, it's that you believe doing so is somehow justified OR, you're trying to reclassify them as combatants? No. I am saying it is a completely different type of war. It is stupid to conclude from an aerial photo of Gaza vs Tehran that Israel must be deliberately targeting civilians in Gaza, when there are plenty of bleeding obvious explanations that don't boil down to "those evil Jews". Do you agree? And yes, taking out someone who is firing rockets at your citizens is justified. It is Hamas that makes the decision to put its own citizens in the line of fire, a violation of the Geneva convention. Israel cannot exactly decide to let them fire rockets over the border at will because they do so from urban areas. It cannot allow them to take hostages because they come from and retreat to urban areas.

Right, so they are deliberately targeting civilians, you're just saying it's justified.

Also, while we're here:


ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 2:53pm:

I read all of your replies, and I didn't see the question answered. Would you mind quoting your answer for me please?

That's why Israel warns civilians in many ways to head for safety.
Just so they can kill them.  ::)

You're an absolute nutter in denial.. and bitter.

Quote:

Right, so they are deliberately targeting civilians, you're just saying it's justified.

No, that is not what I am saying. Read it again. I knew it was dangerous responding to two different points in one post with someone so easily confused. I will go back to addressing the same simple point for you. Maybe after a dozen pages or so it will sink in. Let me know if I need to dumb it down even more for you.

I am saying it is a completely different type of war. It is stupid to conclude from an aerial photo of Gaza vs Tehran that Israel must be deliberately targeting civilians in Gaza, when there are plenty of bleeding obvious explanations that don't boil down to "those evil Jews". This is a matter of logic, not justification.

Do you agree?

If you disagree with what Israel is doing, here's my question for you:

If you were the Israeli PM, how would you have responded to October 7 and Iran's nuclear ambitions?

Please explain.

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 3:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 19th, 2025 at 3:17pm: freediver wrote on Jun 19th, 2025 at 2:52pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 9:33am: Even the isrealis have now given up the pretense that they are shooting at hamas, who is hiding behind civilians Quote: Israeli tanks kill 59 people at Khan Younis aid site in Gaza, local medics say ......... ......... In a statement, the Israeli military said: "Earlier today, a gathering was identified adjacent to an aid distribution truck that got stuck in the area of Khan Younis, and in proximity to IDF troops operating in the area. "The IDF is aware of reports regarding a number of injured individuals from IDF fire following the crowd's approach. The details of the incident are under review. "The IDF regrets any harm to uninvolved individuals and operates to minimise harm as much as possible to them while maintaining the safety of our troops." Medics said at least 14 other people were also killed by Israeli gunfire and air strikes elsewhere in the densely populated enclave, taking Tuesday's overall death toll to at least 73. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-18/brk-israeli-tank-fires-on-gaza-aid/105429632 thats a statement from the IDF FD, not 'the jew'. Why do you lie? You know the IDF is not a person, right John?

you are the idiot who referred to them as 'the jew', you moron  ;D ;D...

The world’s sole Jewish state takes the threat of its annihilation seriously. Among the few things that can unite the Israeli left, right and centre is the conviction that life in their country will be made impossible – if not ended immediately – once Iran has the bomb. So they acted.

In these circumstances, I’m not sure what calls for ‘de-escalation’ actually mean, other than being a way for irrelevant people to try to prove their relevance. But anyone interested in peace in the Middle East – and the wider world – would do well to wish for something rather different: a swift and intense escalation to finish off the Iranian nuclear project once and for all. That way, a roomful of the country’s negotiators won’t be able to continue running rings round whichever second-rate muppets govern western countries in the years to come.

There’s a low-resolution viewpoint in the West that everyone in the world has the luxury of living as we do. But not all people have the good fortune to be in Fife or Inverness. And of course, at times in our own past we didn’t enjoy the luxuries of peace either. Perhaps we could recall those times and remember that at our own moments of greatest peril, nothing short of total victory was desirable for us. And nothing short of total victory should be desirable for our allies either.



Douglas Murray

John Smith wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 8:08pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 19th, 2025 at 3:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 19th, 2025 at 3:17pm: freediver wrote on Jun 19th, 2025 at 2:52pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 9:33am: Even the isrealis have now given up the pretense that they are shooting at hamas, who is hiding behind civilians Quote: Israeli tanks kill 59 people at Khan Younis aid site in Gaza, local medics say ......... ......... In a statement, the Israeli military said: "Earlier today, a gathering was identified adjacent to an aid distribution truck that got stuck in the area of Khan Younis, and in proximity to IDF troops operating in the area. "The IDF is aware of reports regarding a number of injured individuals from IDF fire following the crowd's approach. The details of the incident are under review. "The IDF regrets any harm to uninvolved individuals and operates to minimise harm as much as possible to them while maintaining the safety of our troops." Medics said at least 14 other people were also killed by Israeli gunfire and air strikes elsewhere in the densely populated enclave, taking Tuesday's overall death toll to at least 73. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-18/brk-israeli-tank-fires-on-gaza-aid/105429632 thats a statement from the IDF FD, not 'the jew'. Why do you lie? You know the IDF is not a person, right John? you are the idiot who referred to them as 'the jew', you moron  ;D ;D...

Are you saying he is not a Jew John?

Does your special logic only apply to Jews?

Do you hate them because they are Jewish, or because they are relatively wealthy and successful?

Are you drunk again FD? Who is 'he'?

:D

Israel’s actions in Gaza ‘intentional attack on civilians’: UN inquiry


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/19/israels-actions-in-gaza-intentional-attack-on-civilians-un-inquiry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia75PO6ieLA

So, when Israel's tactics are used against them, Iran is deliberately targeting civilians.

Interesting.

Are we in "every accusation is a confession" territory yet?

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 5:01pm:

Quote: Right, so they are deliberately targeting civilians, you're just saying it's justified. No, that is not what I am saying. Read it again. I knew it was dangerous responding to two different points in one post with someone so easily confused. I will go back to addressing the same simple point for you. Maybe after a dozen pages or so it will sink in. Let me know if I need to dumb it down even more for you. I am saying it is a completely different type of war. It is stupid to conclude from an aerial photo of Gaza vs Tehran that Israel must be deliberately targeting civilians in Gaza, when there are plenty of bleeding obvious explanations that don't boil down to "those evil Jews". This is a matter of logic, not justification. Do you agree?

Kanga, do you at least understand what I am saying? Or are you still confused?

Why is Israel killing Gazans waiting for food?

And how is that not deliberately targeting civilians?

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/death-toll-rises-gazans-make-life-risking-journeys-seek-food-2025-06-19/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/1/israel-kills-32-palestinians-waiting-for-food-at-us-backed-gaza-aid-sites

waggawoody wrote on Jun 24^th, 2025 at 7:01am:

Why is Israel killing Gazans waiting for food? And how is that not deliberately targeting civilians? https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/death-toll-rises-gazans-make-life-risking-journeys-seek-food-2025-06-19/ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/1/israel-kills-32-palestinians-waiting-for-food-at-us-backed-gaza-aid-sites

The difference is the extra word you put in the sentence. Surely you don't still need that explained to you?

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2025 at 7:52am:

waggawoody wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 7:01am: Why is Israel killing Gazans waiting for food? And how is that not deliberately targeting civilians? https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/death-toll-rises-gazans-make-life-risking-journeys-seek-food-2025-06-19/ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/1/israel-kills-32-palestinians-waiting-for-food-at-us-backed-gaza-aid-sites The difference is the extra word you put in the sentence. Surely you don't still need that explained to you?

FD doing his usual dodging again.

Anyone?

You'll figure it out eventually woody.

I'm asking why Israel is gunning down people who are trying to find something to eat. Can anyone answer that? FD obviously can't.

waggawoody wrote on Jun 26^th, 2025 at 6:19pm:

I'm asking why Israel is gunning down people who are trying to find something to eat. Can anyone answer that? FD obviously can't.

It's called 'genocide'.

waggawoody wrote on Jun 26^th, 2025 at 6:19pm:

I'm asking why Israel is gunning down people who are trying to find something to eat. Can anyone answer that? FD obviously can't.

Let me know when you decide what your question is.

that's the way FD, keep your head up your arse and pretend there is no question ... safer for you that way

waggawoody wrote on Jun 26^th, 2025 at 6:19pm:

I'm asking why Israel is gunning down people who are trying to find something to eat. Can anyone answer that? FD obviously can't.

Who would you rather have them gunned down?

Hamas? Hezbollah?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2025 at 6:39pm:

waggawoody wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 6:19pm: I'm asking why Israel is gunning down people who are trying to find something to eat. Can anyone answer that? FD obviously can't. It's called 'genocide'.

Finally, a sensible answer.

waggawoody wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 6:35am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 6:39pm: waggawoody wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 6:19pm: I'm asking why Israel is gunning down people who are trying to find something to eat. Can anyone answer that? FD obviously can't. It's called 'genocide'. Finally, a sensible answer.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/ethnic_cleansing.jpg

It's OK folks, we can forget about the 62000+ dead in gaza now, FD has a meme.

Thank Christ for that ::)

Other than the fact that they are Jewish, do you have any evidence that they are deliberately targeting civilians?

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 7:46am:

Other than the fact that they are Jewish, do you have any evidence that they are deliberately targeting civilians?

you think they accidentally killed 60000+ people do you? Has the IDF always been so incompetent?

If Smith Chips was in Israel when HAMAS attacked.
He would have run and hid, even when he was closer to the West Bank, than to Gaza.

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 8:16am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 7:46am: Other than the fact that they are Jewish, do you have any evidence that they are deliberately targeting civilians? you think they accidentally killed 60000+ people do you? Has the IDF always been so incompetent?

The IDF kills far fewer civilians than is typical in urban warfare. All it is evidence of is the Jew-haters inability to apply simple logic.

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 8:49am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:16am: freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 7:46am: Other than the fact that they are Jewish, do you have any evidence that they are deliberately targeting civilians? you think they accidentally killed 60000+ people do you? Has the IDF always been so incompetent? The IDF kills far fewer civilians than is typical in urban warfare. All it is evidence of is the Jew-haters inability to apply simple logic.

You make that up FD? :D

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 8:53am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:49am: John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:16am: freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 7:46am: Other than the fact that they are Jewish, do you have any evidence that they are deliberately targeting civilians? you think they accidentally killed 60000+ people do you? Has the IDF always been so incompetent? The IDF kills far fewer civilians than is typical in urban warfare. All it is evidence of is the Jew-haters inability to apply simple logic. You make that up FD? :D

No John. I have already posted quotes in links in this thread. You were just too busy hating Jews to notice.

Newsweek is wrong: IDF's killing of Gaza civilians compares poorly to other armies, other wars

In summary—the quantitative evidence supports the proposition that the IDF has been, at best, extraordinarily careless with civilian life in Gaza. It does not support the notion that IDF conduct compares well to other armies in other wars.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 10:32am:

Newsweek is wrong: IDF's killing of Gaza civilians compares poorly to other armies, other wars In summary—the quantitative evidence supports the proposition that the IDF has been, at best, extraordinarily careless with civilian life in Gaza. It does not support the notion that IDF conduct compares well to other armies in other wars.

That article deliberately avoids comparing it with urban warfare. It misses the point of the newsweek article entirely. Either the author is a moron, or is just another eager to spread lies about the Jews. Perhaps that is why you had to go to linkedin to find someone willing to claim it is wrong.

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 10:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 10:32am: Newsweek is wrong: IDF's killing of Gaza civilians compares poorly to other armies, other wars In summary—the quantitative evidence supports the proposition that the IDF has been, at best, extraordinarily careless with civilian life in Gaza. It does not support the notion that IDF conduct compares well to other armies in other wars. That article deliberately avoids comparing it with urban warfare.

"... unless Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan are our examples, the IDF’s kill ratio in Gaza so far does not compare favorably to what was observed in World War 2, in spite of WW2’s mass use of dumb air-dropped munitions on cities and heavy urban combat. The IDF has killed at least 3 times as many Palestinian civilians per combatant as German civilians per Nazi soldier, and at least 4.5 times as many as Japanese civilians per Japanese soldier."

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 11:07am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 10:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 10:32am: Newsweek is wrong: IDF's killing of Gaza civilians compares poorly to other armies, other wars In summary—the quantitative evidence supports the proposition that the IDF has been, at best, extraordinarily careless with civilian life in Gaza. It does not support the notion that IDF conduct compares well to other armies in other wars. That article deliberately avoids comparing it with urban warfare. "... unless Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan are our examples, the IDF’s kill ratio in Gaza so far does not compare favorably to what was observed in World War 2, in spite of WW2’s mass use of dumb air-dropped munitions on cities and heavy urban combat. The IDF has killed at least 3 times as many Palestinian civilians per combatant as German civilians per Nazi soldier, and at least 4.5 times as many as Japanese civilians per Japanese soldier."

I guess we are going with the moron version then. The war in Gaza is pretty much exclusively urban combat. WWII was predominantly fought in non-urban areas. If they restricted their analysis to those WWII battles that were urban combat they would have a valid point, and would likely reach the same conclusion as the article they claim to be disproving. But they don't.

I really don't know why I need to explain something so bleeding obvious. If you didn't hate Jews so much, would you have figured this one out all by yourself?

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 9:23am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:53am: freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:49am: John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:16am: freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 7:46am: Other than the fact that they are Jewish, do you have any evidence that they are deliberately targeting civilians? you think they accidentally killed 60000+ people do you? Has the IDF always been so incompetent? The IDF kills far fewer civilians than is typical in urban warfare. All it is evidence of is the Jew-haters inability to apply simple logic. You make that up FD? :D No John. I have already posted quotes in links in this thread. You were just too busy hating Jews to notice.

is that what they told you? and you believed them? :D :D

Hamas murders PALESTINE

How do you tell Hamas from non Hamas?

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 8:49pm:

How do you tell Hamas from non Hamas?

?

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 9:23am: John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:53am: freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:49am: John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:16am: freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 7:46am: Other than the fact that they are Jewish, do you have any evidence that they are deliberately targeting civilians? you think they accidentally killed 60000+ people do you? Has the IDF always been so incompetent? The IDF kills far fewer civilians than is typical in urban warfare. All it is evidence of is the Jew-haters inability to apply simple logic. You make that up FD? :D No John. I have already posted quotes in links in this thread. You were just too busy hating Jews to notice. is that what they told you? and you believed them? :D :D

Sure. What sealed the deal was Greg's effort to com up with contradictory evidence. He could only come up with illogical nonsense. In any case, it is up to the Jew haters to prove that Israel is deliberately targeting civilians, rather than them being gullible enough to believe any terrorist propaganda they can find against the Jews.

It certainly beats a meme pretending that a photo comparing Gaza to Tehran proves that Israel is deliberately targeting civilians.

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freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2025 at 11:09am:

WWII was predominantly fought in non-urban areas

You just made that up  :D :D :D

this is what Googles AI has to say on the subject


Quote:

World War II involved both significant urban and rural warfare, but urban warfare became increasingly prominent, especially in the later stages of the war. While battles were fought across vast rural landscapes and oceans, the intensity of fighting within cities like Stalingrad, Warsaw, and Manila, along with the strategic importance of controlling urban centers, highlights the growing significance of urban warfare.

and there are a lot more cities then just those named here that can be added to the list :D

John Smith wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2025 at 8:32am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 11:09am: WWII was predominantly fought in non-urban areas You just made that up  :D :D :D this is what Googles AI has to say on the subject Quote: World War II involved both significant urban and rural warfare, but urban warfare became increasingly prominent, especially in the later stages of the war. While battles were fought across vast rural landscapes and oceans, the intensity of fighting within cities like Stalingrad, Warsaw, and Manila, along with the strategic importance of controlling urban centers, highlights the growing significance of urban warfare. and there are a lot more cities then just those named here that can be added to the list :D

That does not contradict what I said John. Google AI tells me that WWII was mostly fought in non-urban areas in Europe.

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2025 at 8:44am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 2nd, 2025 at 8:32am: freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 11:09am: WWII was predominantly fought in non-urban areas You just made that up  :D :D :D this is what Googles AI has to say on the subject Quote: World War II involved both significant urban and rural warfare, but urban warfare became increasingly prominent, especially in the later stages of the war. While battles were fought across vast rural landscapes and oceans, the intensity of fighting within cities like Stalingrad, Warsaw, and Manila, along with the strategic importance of controlling urban centers, highlights the growing significance of urban warfare. and there are a lot more cities then just those named here that can be added to the list :D That does not contradict what I said John.

yes, I'm used to you ignoring the evidence.

Google AI tells me that WWII was mostly fought in non-urban areas in Europe. I think you have been very selective with your quoting, leaving out the bits that agree with what I posted and only including the vague bits that don't actually say either way.

Even in WWII the evidence is clear: civilian death toll rates were much higher in urban combat.

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2025 at 8:48am:

Google AI tells me that WWII was mostly fought in non-urban areas in Europe. I think you have been very selective with your quoting, leaving out the bits that agree with what I posted and only including the vague bits that don't actually say either way. Even in WWII the evidence is clear: civilian death toll rates were much higher in urban combat.

Except that I didn't edit anything. I quoted in full the summary Google AI gave me. You could of course link your own evidence instead of just making proclamations and expecting everyone else to play stupid.

I cannot link to the AI overview, but I think it gets it from here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_warfare


Quote:

In the European theatre of war, roughly 40% of battles took place in urban areas. Military historian Victor Davis Hanson noted the lethality of urban warfare in the Second World War, "When civilian met soldier in the confined landscapes, the death toll spiked, and it was no surprise that the greatest carnage of World War II—at Leningrad and Stalingrad—was the result of efforts to storm municipal fortresses".

Do you have any evidence that Israel is deliberately targeting civilians, or are you just relying on your confusion arising from not knowing what you are talking about and not even being able to use google to inform yourself?

The time magazine article debunking the ignorant and childish argument that the civilian death toll in Gaza should be interpreted as evidence that Israel is deliberately targeting civilians:


freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 2:50pm:

https://time.com/6979208/israel-gaza-death-toll/ Quote: In war zones, the percentage of civilians killed can vary widely. Studies have shown that more civilians die during fighting in urban areas. In a U.N. Security Council report titled, "Protection of civilians in armed conflict”, the U.N. examined the rate of civilian casualties in populated areas during conflicts in the year 2021. It found that 89 percent of deaths in urban areas were civilians. In non-urban areas that year, the civilian death rate fell to 10 percent. Given that Hamas is restricting combat almost exclusively to urban areas, the evidence is entirely consistent with Israel not deliberately targeting civilians. It demonstrates both that Israel has in fact achieved a much lower percentage of civilian dead than is typical for urban combat, and that Hamas' strategy is designed to maximise civilian casualties. Israel cannot change Hamas' military strategy, but it can and does minimise civilian casualties within the limitations imposed by Hamas.

"Not deliberately targeting."  Hmm, is that the same as knowingly targetting a civilian area an not giving a stuff about civilian deaths?

Aussie wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 10:32am:

"Not deliberately targeting."  Hmm, is that the same as knowingly targetting a civilian area an not giving a stuff about civilian deaths?

Try again without mincing your negatives Aussie.

Israel knows that Hamas is operating its war from withing the most heavily populated areas and goes to some effort to reduce civilian casualties, that it would not bother with if Hamas were to operate outside of civilian areas. That's probably part of the reason why Hamas does it. It increases the civilian casualties, but makes it easier for them to get away. But it does not mean Israel is going to refrain entirely from protecting itself so as not to kill Gazan civilians. The IDF puts Israeli citizens first, and not firing back would just invite every Muslim fanatic in the middle east to come and lob rockets.

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 11:02am:

Aussie wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 10:32am: "Not deliberately targeting."  Hmm, is that the same as knowingly targetting a civilian area an not giving a stuff about civilian deaths? Try again without mincing your negatives Aussie. Israel knows that Hamas is operating its war from withing the most heavily populated areas and goes to some effort to reduce civilian casualties, that it would not bother with if Hamas were to operate outside of civilian areas. That's probably part of the reason why Hamas does it. It increases the civilian casualties, but makes it easier for them to get away. But it does not mean Israel is going to refrain entirely from protecting itself so as not to kill Gazan civilians. The IDF puts Israeli citizens first, and not firing back would just invite every Muslim fanatic in the middle east to come and lob rockets.

What is your evidence for that?  Bibi's mouth?

It's in the post you responded to Aussie, in the link. Around half of those killed in Gaza were civilians, compared to 89% typical for urban combat. This is even more impressive when you consider than many of the deaths occur during intermittent combat, when a Hamas militant will climb onto his mother's roof and lob a rocket over the boarder into Israel, and the only defence Israel has against this is to immediately fire back from a significant distance.

Why do you think it has taken 11 pages, on top of all the propaganda in so many other threads, for the Jew haters to take a break from spreading lies about Jews and actually think about what they are saying?

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 3:08pm:

It's in the post you responded to Aussie, in the link. Around half of those killed in Gaza were civilians, compared to 89% typical for urban combat. This is even more impressive when you consider than many of the deaths occur during intermittent combat, when a Hamas militant will climb onto his mother's roof and lob a rocket over the boarder into Israel, and the only defence Israel has against this is to immediately fire back from a significant distance. Why do you think it has taken 11 pages, on top of all the propaganda in so many other threads, for the Jew haters to take a break from spreading lies about Jews and actually think about what they are saying?

And now, magically, we are talking about Jews whereas just a second ago, I was talking about Israel.

Far que freediver.

Aussie wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 4:02pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 3:08pm: It's in the post you responded to Aussie, in the link. Around half of those killed in Gaza were civilians, compared to 89% typical for urban combat. This is even more impressive when you consider than many of the deaths occur during intermittent combat, when a Hamas militant will climb onto his mother's roof and lob a rocket over the boarder into Israel, and the only defence Israel has against this is to immediately fire back from a significant distance. Why do you think it has taken 11 pages, on top of all the propaganda in so many other threads, for the Jew haters to take a break from spreading lies about Jews and actually think about what they are saying? And now, magically, we are talking about Jews whereas just a second ago, I was talking about Israel. Far que freediver.

In your final solution to get rid of the Jews from the middle east, was it the Jews you wanted to eradicate, or the Israelis?

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 3:08pm:

Around half of those killed in Gaza were civilians,

;D ;D ;D

if you believe the same people who claimed a group of medics killed were shooting at IDF personnel ... right up until video footage was released and they admitted they lied :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 4:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 3:08pm: Around half of those killed in Gaza were civilians, ;D ;D ;D if you believe the same people who claimed a group of medics killed were shooting at IDF personnel ... right up until video footage was released and they admitted they lied :D :D :D

Even the Hamas figures put the civilian death toll a long way off the percentage that is typical for urban combat.

Why do you think it has taken 11 pages, on top of all the propaganda in so many other threads, for the Jew haters to take a break from spreading lies about Jews and actually think about what they are saying?

were you always this stupid fd?

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 5:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 4:53pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 3:08pm: Around half of those killed in Gaza were civilians, ;D ;D ;D if you believe the same people who claimed a group of medics killed were shooting at IDF personnel ... right up until video footage was released and they admitted they lied :D :D :D Even the Hamas figures put the civilian death toll a long way off the percentage that is typical for urban combat. Why do you think it has taken 11 pages, on top of all the propaganda in so many other threads, for the Jew haters to take a break from spreading lies about Jews and actually think about what they are saying?

Using the phrase "urban combat" over and over doesn't make the women and children any less dead.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 6:25pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 5:04pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 4:53pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 3:08pm: Around half of those killed in Gaza were civilians, ;D ;D ;D if you believe the same people who claimed a group of medics killed were shooting at IDF personnel ... right up until video footage was released and they admitted they lied :D :D :D Even the Hamas figures put the civilian death toll a long way off the percentage that is typical for urban combat. Why do you think it has taken 11 pages, on top of all the propaganda in so many other threads, for the Jew haters to take a break from spreading lies about Jews and actually think about what they are saying? Using the phrase "urban combat" over and over doesn't make the women and children any less dead.

The women and children are safe, you moron.
Hamas insist they shelter in the tunnels.

Oh wait  :-[ :-[

If Peccary, as he claims, is overtly against Israel's reaction and covertly saying he doesn't support Palestine's actions. Then a true 'neutrality' would keep his mouth shut and butt out rather than shouting out his virtual signalling for himself that he supports neither. Switzerland didn't do it during WW2. You didn't see them trumpet out of their arses how superior they were over the two opposing sides for being neutral during the war.

Gwoggy is a dimwitted troll.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 6:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 5:04pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 4:53pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 3:08pm: Around half of those killed in Gaza were civilians, ;D ;D ;D if you believe the same people who claimed a group of medics killed were shooting at IDF personnel ... right up until video footage was released and they admitted they lied :D :D :D Even the Hamas figures put the civilian death toll a long way off the percentage that is typical for urban combat. Why do you think it has taken 11 pages, on top of all the propaganda in so many other threads, for the Jew haters to take a break from spreading lies about Jews and actually think about what they are saying? Using the phrase "urban combat" over and over doesn't make the women and children any less dead. The women and children are safe, ...

No.

The IDF murdered them, and you continue to defend Netanyahu's war crimes.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 6:25pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 5:04pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 4:53pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 3:08pm: Around half of those killed in Gaza were civilians, ;D ;D ;D if you believe the same people who claimed a group of medics killed were shooting at IDF personnel ... right up until video footage was released and they admitted they lied :D :D :D Even the Hamas figures put the civilian death toll a long way off the percentage that is typical for urban combat. Why do you think it has taken 11 pages, on top of all the propaganda in so many other threads, for the Jew haters to take a break from spreading lies about Jews and actually think about what they are saying? Using the phrase "urban combat" over and over doesn't make the women and children any less dead.

No. But there is still hope it will talk some sense into the Jew haters who keep spreading lies - such as that the Israelis are deliberately targeting civilians. Hence the thread title.

Is it working, or do remain ignorant and full of hate?

so the answer is 'yes, always'

got it!

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 7:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 5:04pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 4:53pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 3:08pm: Around half of those killed in Gaza were civilians, ;D ;D ;D if you believe the same people who claimed a group of medics killed were shooting at IDF personnel ... right up until video footage was released and they admitted they lied :D :D :D Even the Hamas figures put the civilian death toll a long way off the percentage that is typical for urban combat. Why do you think it has taken 11 pages, on top of all the propaganda in so many other threads, for the Jew haters to take a break from spreading lies about Jews and actually think about what they are saying? Using the phrase "urban combat" over and over doesn't make the women and children any less dead. No. But there is still hope it will talk some sense into the Jew haters who keep spreading lies - such as that the Israelis are deliberately targeting civilians. Hence the thread title. Is it working, or do remain ignorant and full of hate?

I don't know who these "Jew haters" are you speak of.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 7:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 7:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 5:04pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 4:53pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 3:08pm: Around half of those killed in Gaza were civilians, ;D ;D ;D if you believe the same people who claimed a group of medics killed were shooting at IDF personnel ... right up until video footage was released and they admitted they lied :D :D :D Even the Hamas figures put the civilian death toll a long way off the percentage that is typical for urban combat. Why do you think it has taken 11 pages, on top of all the propaganda in so many other threads, for the Jew haters to take a break from spreading lies about Jews and actually think about what they are saying? Using the phrase "urban combat" over and over doesn't make the women and children any less dead. No. But there is still hope it will talk some sense into the Jew haters who keep spreading lies - such as that the Israelis are deliberately targeting civilians. Hence the thread title. Is it working, or do remain ignorant and full of hate? I don't know who these "Jew haters" are you speak of.

Do you think Israel is deliberately targeting civilians?

BEERSHEBA, Israel (AP) — American contractors guarding aid distribution sites in Gaza are using live ammunition and stun grenades as hungry Palestinians scramble for food, according to accounts and videos obtained by The Associated Press. Here’s a breakdown of what to know...

https://apnews.com/article/israel-military-gaza-ghf-aid-un-3c1bef17093a2a3eeda0764c220b857b

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 4:27pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 4:02pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 3:08pm: It's in the post you responded to Aussie, in the link. Around half of those killed in Gaza were civilians, compared to 89% typical for urban combat. This is even more impressive when you consider than many of the deaths occur during intermittent combat, when a Hamas militant will climb onto his mother's roof and lob a rocket over the boarder into Israel, and the only defence Israel has against this is to immediately fire back from a significant distance. Why do you think it has taken 11 pages, on top of all the propaganda in so many other threads, for the Jew haters to take a break from spreading lies about Jews and actually think about what they are saying? And now, magically, we are talking about Jews whereas just a second ago, I was talking about Israel. Far que freediver. In your final solution to get rid of the Jews from the middle east, was it the Jews you wanted to eradicate, or the Israelis?

So cute, pissweak and despicably typical of you.  Far cough.

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 1:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 4:27pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 4:02pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 3:08pm: It's in the post you responded to Aussie, in the link. Around half of those killed in Gaza were civilians, compared to 89% typical for urban combat. This is even more impressive when you consider than many of the deaths occur during intermittent combat, when a Hamas militant will climb onto his mother's roof and lob a rocket over the boarder into Israel, and the only defence Israel has against this is to immediately fire back from a significant distance. Why do you think it has taken 11 pages, on top of all the propaganda in so many other threads, for the Jew haters to take a break from spreading lies about Jews and actually think about what they are saying? And now, magically, we are talking about Jews whereas just a second ago, I was talking about Israel. Far que freediver. In your final solution to get rid of the Jews from the middle east, was it the Jews you wanted to eradicate, or the Israelis? So cute, pissweak and despicably typical of you.  Far cough.

Are we talking about Jews here Aussie? Or do you also want to get rid of Arab Muslim citizens of Israel? If they were not Jews and the Muslims only wanted to slaughter them because they have freedom and democracy, would you still feel compelled to put them on a train to Tasmania?

Why do you think it has taken 11 pages, on top of all the propaganda in so many other threads, for the Jew haters to take a break from spreading lies about Jews and actually think about what they are saying?

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2025 at 7:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 7:47pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 7:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 5:04pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 4:53pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 3:08pm: Around half of those killed in Gaza were civilians, ;D ;D ;D if you believe the same people who claimed a group of medics killed were shooting at IDF personnel ... right up until video footage was released and they admitted they lied :D :D :D Even the Hamas figures put the civilian death toll a long way off the percentage that is typical for urban combat. Why do you think it has taken 11 pages, on top of all the propaganda in so many other threads, for the Jew haters to take a break from spreading lies about Jews and actually think about what they are saying? Using the phrase "urban combat" over and over doesn't make the women and children any less dead. No. But there is still hope it will talk some sense into the Jew haters who keep spreading lies - such as that the Israelis are deliberately targeting civilians. Hence the thread title. Is it working, or do remain ignorant and full of hate? I don't know who these "Jew haters" are you speak of. Do you think Israel is deliberately targeting civilians?

Netanyahu and the IDF, absolutely.

That doesn't mean I hate Jews though - it means I hate the act of deliberately targeting civilians, no matter who's doing it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 3:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 7:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 7:47pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 7:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 5:04pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 4:53pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 3:08pm: Around half of those killed in Gaza were civilians, ;D ;D ;D if you believe the same people who claimed a group of medics killed were shooting at IDF personnel ... right up until video footage was released and they admitted they lied :D :D :D Even the Hamas figures put the civilian death toll a long way off the percentage that is typical for urban combat. Why do you think it has taken 11 pages, on top of all the propaganda in so many other threads, for the Jew haters to take a break from spreading lies about Jews and actually think about what they are saying? Using the phrase "urban combat" over and over doesn't make the women and children any less dead. No. But there is still hope it will talk some sense into the Jew haters who keep spreading lies - such as that the Israelis are deliberately targeting civilians. Hence the thread title. Is it working, or do remain ignorant and full of hate? I don't know who these "Jew haters" are you speak of. Do you think Israel is deliberately targeting civilians? Netanyahu and the IDF, absolutely. That doesn't mean I hate Jews though - it means I hate the act of deliberately targeting civilians, no matter who's doing it.

If your view was based on facts it would be easier to believe it is not based on hatred of Jews.

Imagine Switzerland mouthing off Britain as genociders against Nazis overtly on a League of Nations forum, while covertly saying they don't support Nazis either (by lack of condemnation) because they virtue signal themselves as neutral and morally superior to both.
In reality, Switzerland kept its head down and its mouth shut, until the dust settled and even after, was just grateful it's neutrality wasn't like No Man's Land in between.

So what we have here are a pair of Wankers mouthing off against Israel big time on this Forum like a pair of heroes from the Left, in the hope of 'capitalising' on a conflict between two peoples just to show us all how clever and smart they are for doing so and how important they are to the solution of ending the conflict, because they know there is NO CONSEQUENCE hidden behind a keyboard anonymously, for their parasitic trolling in pursuit of their jollies to annoy others just because they can.

Someone hand them a Tina Turner Award "We don't need another hero."

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 3:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 3:03pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 7:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 7:47pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 7:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 5:04pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 4:53pm: freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 3:08pm: Around half of those killed in Gaza were civilians, ;D ;D ;D if you believe the same people who claimed a group of medics killed were shooting at IDF personnel ... right up until video footage was released and they admitted they lied :D :D :D Even the Hamas figures put the civilian death toll a long way off the percentage that is typical for urban combat. Why do you think it has taken 11 pages, on top of all the propaganda in so many other threads, for the Jew haters to take a break from spreading lies about Jews and actually think about what they are saying? Using the phrase "urban combat" over and over doesn't make the women and children any less dead. No. But there is still hope it will talk some sense into the Jew haters who keep spreading lies - such as that the Israelis are deliberately targeting civilians. Hence the thread title. Is it working, or do remain ignorant and full of hate? I don't know who these "Jew haters" are you speak of. Do you think Israel is deliberately targeting civilians? Netanyahu and the IDF, absolutely. That doesn't mean I hate Jews though - it means I hate the act of deliberately targeting civilians, no matter who's doing it. If your view was based on facts it would be easier to believe it is not based on hatred of Jews.

It's not.

It's based on genocide.

Do you have any evidence Greg, other than the fact that they are Jewish?

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 4:49pm:

Do you have any evidence Greg, other than the fact that they are Jewish?

Being Jewish isn't evidence of genocide.

Deliberately targeting women, children, babies and hospitals - now that's evidence of genocide.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 4:55pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 4:49pm: Do you have any evidence Greg, other than the fact that they are Jewish? Being Jewish isn't evidence of genocide. Deliberately targeting women, children, babies and hospitals - now that's evidence of genocide.

Other than the fact that they are Jewish, how do you know that they are deliberately targeting women, children, babies and hospitals?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 4:55pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 4:49pm: Do you have any evidence Greg, other than the fact that they are Jewish? Being Jewish isn't evidence of genocide. Deliberately targeting women, children, babies and hospitals - now that's evidence of genocide.

So when hamas deliberately attacked women and children on Oct 7 is considered by you to be evidence of genocide?.

.

Leroy wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 5:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 4:55pm: freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 4:49pm: Do you have any evidence Greg, other than the fact that they are Jewish? Being Jewish isn't evidence of genocide. Deliberately targeting women, children, babies and hospitals - now that's evidence of genocide. So when hamas deliberately attacked women and children on Oct 7 is considered by you to be evidence of genocide?.

Yep.

How much genocide is going on in the world right now Greg?

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:00pm:

How much genocide is going on in the world right now Greg?

does he include the idf killing off Palestinians in the total?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Leroy wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 5:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 4:55pm: freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 4:49pm: Do you have any evidence Greg, other than the fact that they are Jewish? Being Jewish isn't evidence of genocide. Deliberately targeting women, children, babies and hospitals - now that's evidence of genocide. So when hamas deliberately attacked women and children on Oct 7 is considered by you to be evidence of genocide?. Yep.

Are you an idiot?
Yep.

Hamas have declared their intent to kill every Jew.

The IDF have a moral duty to kill every member of hamas.

If they (Hamas) choose to use women and children as human shields then it is hamas trying to perform a genocide on the Palestinian people

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Leroy wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 5:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 4:55pm: freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 4:49pm: Do you have any evidence Greg, other than the fact that they are Jewish? Being Jewish isn't evidence of genocide. Deliberately targeting women, children, babies and hospitals - now that's evidence of genocide. So when hamas deliberately attacked women and children on Oct 7 is considered by you to be evidence of genocide?. Yep.

You know something Greg. You really are very special and you're as beautiful as a butterfly. Please, don't ever change. We love you just the way you are.

Frank wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 6:12pm: Leroy wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 5:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 4:55pm: freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2025 at 4:49pm: Do you have any evidence Greg, other than the fact that they are Jewish? Being Jewish isn't evidence of genocide. Deliberately targeting women, children, babies and hospitals - now that's evidence of genocide. So when hamas deliberately attacked women and children on Oct 7 is considered by you to be evidence of genocide?. Yep. Are you an idiot? Yep.

You're defending Hamas.

Interesting.

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:00pm:

How much genocide is going on in the world right now Greg?

Do you have any more questions?

aquascoot wrote on Jul 4^th, 2025 at 7:36pm:

Hamas have declared their intent to kill every Jew. The IDF have a moral duty to kill every member of hamas. If they (Hamas) choose to use women and children as human shields then it is hamas trying to perform a genocide on the Palestinian people

You're defending genocide.

Disturbing.

The IDF is deliberately targeting women, children and babies.

The fact that you celebrate their deaths is ... sick.