Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

A bit like the Warsaw Ghetto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto


The Warsaw Ghetto (German: Warschauer Ghetto, officially Jüdischer Wohnbezirk in Warschau, "Jewish Residential District in Warsaw"; Polish: getto warszawskie) was the largest of the Nazi ghettos during World War II and the Holocaust. It was established in November 1940 by the German authorities within the new General Government territory of occupied Poland. At its height, as many as 460,000 Jews were imprisoned there,[5] in an area of 3.4 km2 (1.3 sq mi), with an average of 9.2 persons per room.


The ghetto was almost entirely leveled during the Uprising;
however, a number of buildings and streets survived, mostly in the "small ghetto" area, which had been included into the Aryan part of the city in August 1942 and was not involved in the fighting.

It's genocide, pure & simple.

And the terrorist sympathisers on here defend it by using a childish argument:

"Yeah, well, Hamas does bad things too. And anyway, they started it".

How many dead babies and dead pregnant women in Gaza will make them happy?

Israel intends to end Gaza such that there will never be another attack from the territory.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:10pm:

It's genocide, pure & simple. And the terrorist sympathisers on here defend it by using a childish argument: "Yeah, well, Hamas does bad things too. And anyway, they started it". How many dead babies and dead pregnant women in Gaza will make them happy?

My OP was not directly about dead pregnant women or dead babies (though they are both very terribly appalling and Israel has to accept 100% responsibility for that) it is about what you do with a clearly defeated way outnumbered and outgunned enemy.

You cannot keep using the 'defence' excuse when you are truly trying to wipe out a defeated militia while doing so cost the lives of so many innocents.

Yes, Hamas could toss up a white flag and they haven't, but that does not mean you satisfy your blood lust under a cloak of initial righteousness, close in and slaughter the last at Little Big Horn.  Sitting Bull got nowhere doing that.  The white tide kept coming, as will the Palestinian one.

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:43pm:

The white tide kept coming, as will the Palestinian one.

When this is over, there will be no Gaza for the Palestinians to keep coming from.

If Israel has bombed the little place flat and after 7 months Hamas is re-grouping and fighting hard, then 'the tide' will keep coming. It's amazing that ammo comes in by tunnels from Egypt and can't be stopped.  The US has the space cameras and Israel has missiles and Egypt blocks what it can.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:51pm:

Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:43pm: The white tide kept coming, as will the Palestinian one. When this is over, there will be no Gaza for the Palestinians to keep coming from.

Totally unrealistic.  Just like there will always be Jews, Calathumpians, etc, there will always be Palastenians.

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:51pm: Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:43pm: The white tide kept coming, as will the Palestinian one. When this is over, there will be no Gaza for the Palestinians to keep coming from. Totally unrealistic.  Just like there will always be Jews, Calathumpians, etc, there will always be Palastenians.

There will be Palestinians... in refugee camps and as refugee-immigrants around the world.

There will be no Gaza.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 7:15pm:

Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 7:01pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:51pm: Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:43pm: The white tide kept coming, as will the Palestinian one. When this is over, there will be no Gaza for the Palestinians to keep coming from. Totally unrealistic.  Just like there will always be Jews, Calathumpians, etc, there will always be Palastenians. There will be Palestinians... in refugee camps and as refugee-immigrants around the world. There will be no Gaza.

Just as there was no Israel, until the West created it.

But that is beside my OP point.

Is it okay to execute the few defeated who do not surrender, Little Big Horn like.

What will be achieved??

Israel was created with acts of terrorism and genocide. Jews murdered the first UN peace envoy in 1948.

Israel killed many UK military, police, and officials.

The first leaders of Israel were terrorists.

Israel murdered Yasser Arafat.

Jews were the first Middle East terrorists. Now Israel's a terrorist state.

Israel was created with acts of terrorism and genocide. Jews murdered the first UN peace envoy in 1948.

Israel killed many UK military, police, and officials in the King David Hotel bombing and other acts of terrorism.

The first leaders of Israel were terrorists.

Israel murdered Yasser Arafat.


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"On 17th September 1948, Count Folke Bernadotte, a United Nations Mediator for Palestine, was murdered in Jerusalem by a Zionist militant organization. Count Bernadotte's presence in Palestine followed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine and the subsequent unilateral Israeli Declaration of Independence."

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"King David Hotel bombing From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia King David Hotel bombing Part of the Jewish insurgency in Palestine The hotel after the bombing Location      Jerusalem, Mandatory Palestine Date      July 22, 1946 12:37 pm (UTC+2) Deaths      91 Injured      46 Perpetrators       Irgun Motive      Destruction of evidence, Jewish extremism The British administrative headquarters for Mandatory Palestine, housed in the southern wing[1] of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, were bombed in a terrorist attack[2][3] on July 22, 1946, by the militant right-wing[4] Zionist underground organization Irgun during the Jewish insurgency.[5][6][7] 91 people of various nationalities were killed, including Arabs, Britons and Jews, and 46 were injured.[8]"

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 7:49pm:

Jews were the first Middle East terrorists. Now Israel's a terrorist state. Israel was created with acts of terrorism and genocide. Jews murdered the first UN peace envoy in 1948. Israel killed many UK military, police, and officials in the King David Hotel bombing and other acts of terrorism. The first leaders of Israel were terrorists. Israel murdered Yasser Arafat. Quote: "On 17th September 1948, Count Folke Bernadotte, a United Nations Mediator for Palestine, was murdered in Jerusalem by a Zionist militant organization. Count Bernadotte's presence in Palestine followed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine and the subsequent unilateral Israeli Declaration of Independence." [quote]"King David Hotel bombing From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia King David Hotel bombing Part of the Jewish insurgency in Palestine The hotel after the bombing Location      Jerusalem, Mandatory Palestine Date      July 22, 1946 12:37 pm (UTC+2) Deaths      91 Injured      46 Perpetrators       Irgun Motive      Destruction of evidence, Jewish extremism The British administrative headquarters for Mandatory Palestine, housed in the southern wing[1] of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, were bombed in a terrorist attack[2][3] on July 22, 1946, by the militant right-wing[4] Zionist underground organization Irgun during the Jewish insurgency.[5][6][7] 91 people of various nationalities were killed, including Arabs, Britons and Jews, and 46 were injured.[8]"

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And NONE of that has SFA to do with this Thread, no matter how truthful or otherwise it might be.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:38pm:

Israel intends to end Gaza such that there will never be another attack from the territory.

After that Hamas atrocity nobody can blame them......  Hamas must never rise again.

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

It hasn't achieved it YET. Not all hostages are returned, not all Hamas terrorists are killed.

Frank wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:23pm:

Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:01pm: Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored. It hasn't achieved it YET. Not all hostages are returned, not all Hamas terrorists are killed.

And they likely never will be.  Do you really reckon Israel has an exact complete hit list of Hamas blokes they need to kill now?

Frank wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:23pm:

Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:01pm: Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored. It hasn't achieved it YET. Not all hostages are returned, not all Hamas terrorists are killed.

I keep hearing mutterings when some  talk about it within earshot “Just return the hostages!”
I queried “Do you really think any of them are alive?”
And I get answered that the bodies should be returned.

As much as I intensely dislike the way many innocents in Gaza are killed because of Hamas for the act of of wanting hostages returned…and I’ve outwardly spoken against it and felt orders for Israel army were OTT
I actually thought how about that… how Israel’s PM has shown how he’s for his people…
What would our PM do for any of us? Or our families if some of us were captured as hostages?
SFA me thinks.

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

Hamas broke ceasefire from previous war on Oct 7th.
How many wars has Hamas started with Israel?

They haven't achieved their goals yet a bit premature to say Hamas has been defeated.

There is no similarity between Nazis and Israel.

Listen to Palestinians talk about this conflict and see if you can figure out what motivates them. Is this what leftists support?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UKEn_td7iQ

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:44pm:

And they likely never will be.  Do you really reckon Israel has an exact complete hit list of Hamas blokes they need to kill now?

Oh, yeah ... compared to this Munich was a picnic lunch .... won't harm 'em - they'll get to meet Allah in person... be told how wonderful they were for upholding the faith etc ... no big deal.

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:44pm:

Do you really reckon Israel has an exact complete hit list of Hamas blokes they need to kill now?

The Israelis don't need a list. Their ultimate objective is to end Gaza, whether they incidentally wipe out Hamas in Gaza or not.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 10:18am:

Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 9:44pm: Do you really reckon Israel has an exact complete hit list of Hamas blokes they need to kill now? The Israelis don't need a list. Their ultimate objective is to end Gaza, whether they incidentally wipe out Hamas in Gaza or not.

Oh, I see, so you reckon they are being sneaky, deceptive, lying  arseholes?

Aussie wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 11:39am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 10:18am: Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 9:44pm: Do you really reckon Israel has an exact complete hit list of Hamas blokes they need to kill now? The Israelis don't need a list. Their ultimate objective is to end Gaza, whether they incidentally wipe out Hamas in Gaza or not. Oh, I see, so you reckon they are being sneaky, deceptive, lying  arseholes?

Aahh… now here’s the thing…(the part that totally befuddles me)… that “all’s fair in love and war”  :-?

The Israelis intend to end Gaza and they have the covert approval of the Arab states to do it.

Sophia wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 12:17pm:

Aussie wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 11:39am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 10:18am: Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 9:44pm: Do you really reckon Israel has an exact complete hit list of Hamas blokes they need to kill now? The Israelis don't need a list. Their ultimate objective is to end Gaza, whether they incidentally wipe out Hamas in Gaza or not. Oh, I see, so you reckon they are being sneaky, deceptive, lying  arseholes? Aahh… now here’s the thing…(the part that totally befuddles me)… that “all’s fair in love and war”  :-?

Israel believes so.  I say that once you have defeated your enemy, you stop the War.  You do not go on and on and on and on, and while doing so, slaughter not only the already defeated, but civilians and then try to excuse it on the basis of "We will defend ourselves."

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 12:40pm:

The Israelis intend to end Gaza and they have the covert approval of the Arab states to do it.

Links?

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

Has Hamas surrendered?

Have they returned the hostages?

Frank wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:23pm:

Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:01pm: Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored. It hasn't achieved it YET. Not all hostages are returned, not all Hamas terrorists are killed.

Netanyahu doesn't want the hostages returned because he is using the hostages as a cause for committing genocide.

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:08am:

Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:01pm: Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored. Has Hamas surrendered? Have they returned the hostages?

Don't be a half smart arse all your life.

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:08am: Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:01pm: Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored. Has Hamas surrendered? Have they returned the hostages? Don't be a half smart arse all your life.

Soooooo... where is your "having achieved that defeat", half-smart Arrsie?

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:08pm:

Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:37pm: freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:08am: Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:01pm: Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored. Has Hamas surrendered? Have they returned the hostages? Don't be a half smart arse all your life. Soooooo... where is your "having achieved that defeat", half-smart Arrsie?

There was a Japanese soldier left on some Island who never surrendered in WW2.  That did not mean the US had to drop a third bomb on Japan.

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:08am: Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:01pm: Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored. Has Hamas surrendered? Have they returned the hostages? Don't be a half smart arse all your life.

It's a serious question Aussie. If Hamas has not surrendered, then the war is not over. Are you avoiding the question because you do not know the answer?


Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 1:08pm: Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:37pm: freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:08am: Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:01pm: Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored. Has Hamas surrendered? Have they returned the hostages? Don't be a half smart arse all your life. Soooooo... where is your "having achieved that defeat", half-smart Arrsie? There was a Japanese soldier left on some Island who never surrendered in WW2.  That did not mean the US had to drop a third bomb on Japan.

You are extremely confused Aussie. I was not talking about a lone Hamas gunman. I was talking about the Hamas leadership. The ones organising the war against Israel.

To date, no Sunni Muslim state has intervened against Israel's progress towards ending Gaza.

Notably, Iran - the Shia Muslim sponsor of the Sunni Hamas - has not risked war with Israel over its progress towards ending Gaza.

No Muslim state in the region, Sunni or Shia, has offered refuge or asylum to Gazan Palestinians and, I'd bet, neither would the Palestinian West Bank if they were able to.

Israel's progress towards ending Gaza is covertly supported by every Sunni regime in the region.

Iran's goal in the region is not to drive Israel into the sea, but to prevent the progress of the Abraham Accords to include the likes of Sunni Saudi Arabia (and possibly Iraq after a civil war between Iraqi Sunni and Shia) which would guarantee Sunni regional hegemony over the Shia in the region.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

Iran's goal in the region is not to drive Israel into the sea, but to prevent the progress of the Abraham Accords to include the likes of Sunni Saudi Arabia (and possibly Iraq after a civil war between Iraqi Sunni and Shia) which would guarantee Sunni regional hegemony over the Shia in the region.

MeisterEckhart is badly misinformed and has turned fantasies into beliefs and facts.

Iraq's Sunnis were defeated by the USA and banished from participation in Iraqi governance.

Shia are a majority in Iraq and are in power.


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The history of Islam in Iraq goes back almost 1,400 years to the lifetime of Muhammad (died in 632). Iraq's 98% majority Muslims follow two distinct traditions: Shia Islam (55-60%) and Sunni Islam (35-40%).

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 1:08pm: Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:37pm: freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:08am: Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:01pm: Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored. Has Hamas surrendered? Have they returned the hostages? Don't be a half smart arse all your life. Soooooo... where is your "having achieved that defeat", half-smart Arrsie? There was a Japanese soldier left on some Island who never surrendered in WW2.  That did not mean the US had to drop a third bomb on Japan.

:D :D :D

Half-arsed nonsense.

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 1:23pm: Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 1:08pm: Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:37pm: freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:08am: Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:01pm: Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored. Has Hamas surrendered? Have they returned the hostages? Don't be a half smart arse all your life. Soooooo... where is your "having achieved that defeat", half-smart Arrsie? There was a Japanese soldier left on some Island who never surrendered in WW2.  That did not mean the US had to drop a third bomb on Japan. :D :D :D Half-arsed nonsense.

Full-arsed Frank.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 1:39pm: Iran's goal in the region is not to drive Israel into the sea, but to prevent the progress of the Abraham Accords to include the likes of Sunni Saudi Arabia (and possibly Iraq after a civil war between Iraqi Sunni and Shia) which would guarantee Sunni regional hegemony over the Shia in the region. MeisterEckhart is badly misinformed and has turned fantasies into beliefs and facts. Iraq's Sunnis were defeated by the USA and banished from participation in Iraqi governance. Shia are a majority in Iraq and are in power. Quote: The history of Islam in Iraq goes back almost 1,400 years to the lifetime of Muhammad (died in 632). Iraq's 98% majority Muslims follow two distinct traditions: Shia Islam (55-60%) and Sunni Islam (35-40%).

Hence a likely civil war in Iraq.

Fanatical religious sectarianism in the region does not allow for indefinite peaceful coexistence.

Civil war in Iraq is inevitable.

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:26pm:

Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:37pm: freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:08am: Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:01pm: Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored. Has Hamas surrendered? Have they returned the hostages? Don't be a half smart arse all your life. It's a serious question Aussie. If Hamas has not surrendered, then the war is not over. Are you avoiding the question because you do not know the answer? Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 1:23pm: Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 1:08pm: Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:37pm: freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:08am: Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:01pm: Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored. Has Hamas surrendered? Have they returned the hostages? Don't be a half smart arse all your life. Soooooo... where is your "having achieved that defeat", half-smart Arrsie? There was a Japanese soldier left on some Island who never surrendered in WW2.  That did not mean the US had to drop a third bomb on Japan. You are extremely confused Aussie. I was not talking about a lone Hamas gunman. I was talking about the Hamas leadership. The ones organising the war against Israel.

Get a new put down line FD.  the 'you are confused' one is way overused.

Who cares about their current Leadership?  They have been soundly defeated whether they have surrendered or not.  Massad can go after them.  No need to continue an all out War to get them.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 2:22pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 1:57pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 1:39pm: Iran's goal in the region is not to drive Israel into the sea, but to prevent the progress of the Abraham Accords to include the likes of Sunni Saudi Arabia (and possibly Iraq after a civil war between Iraqi Sunni and Shia) which would guarantee Sunni regional hegemony over the Shia in the region. MeisterEckhart is badly misinformed and has turned fantasies into beliefs and facts. Iraq's Sunnis were defeated by the USA and banished from participation in Iraqi governance. Shia are a majority in Iraq and are in power. Quote: The history of Islam in Iraq goes back almost 1,400 years to the lifetime of Muhammad (died in 632). Iraq's 98% majority Muslims follow two distinct traditions: Shia Islam (55-60%) and Sunni Islam (35-40%). Hence a likely civil war in Iraq. Fanatical religious sectarianism in the region does not allow for indefinite peaceful coexistence. Civil war in Iraq is inevitable.

Only if US spooks are assembled and ordered to cause violent uprisings as they did in Ukraine.

Keep on fantasizing MeisterEckhart.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 2:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 2:22pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 1:57pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 1:39pm: Iran's goal in the region is not to drive Israel into the sea, but to prevent the progress of the Abraham Accords to include the likes of Sunni Saudi Arabia (and possibly Iraq after a civil war between Iraqi Sunni and Shia) which would guarantee Sunni regional hegemony over the Shia in the region. MeisterEckhart is badly misinformed and has turned fantasies into beliefs and facts. Iraq's Sunnis were defeated by the USA and banished from participation in Iraqi governance. Shia are a majority in Iraq and are in power. Quote: The history of Islam in Iraq goes back almost 1,400 years to the lifetime of Muhammad (died in 632). Iraq's 98% majority Muslims follow two distinct traditions: Shia Islam (55-60%) and Sunni Islam (35-40%). Hence a likely civil war in Iraq. Fanatical religious sectarianism in the region does not allow for indefinite peaceful coexistence. Civil war in Iraq is inevitable. Only if US spooks are assembled and ordered to cause violent uprisings as they did in Ukraine. Keep on fantasizing MeisterEckhart.

Were you born after the Iran-Iraq sectarian war of the 80s'?

Then there was the Iraqi civil war of 2006-2008 with its attempted removal of Shias by the Islamic State of Iraq.

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 1:26pm: Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:37pm: freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:08am: Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:01pm: Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored. Has Hamas surrendered? Have they returned the hostages? Don't be a half smart arse all your life. It's a serious question Aussie. If Hamas has not surrendered, then the war is not over. Are you avoiding the question because you do not know the answer? Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 1:23pm: Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 1:08pm: Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:37pm: freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:08am: Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 6:01pm: Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7.  Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself.  It has every right to defeat its enemies. But...... Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated. The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored. Has Hamas surrendered? Have they returned the hostages? Don't be a half smart arse all your life. Soooooo... where is your "having achieved that defeat", half-smart Arrsie? There was a Japanese soldier left on some Island who never surrendered in WW2.  That did not mean the US had to drop a third bomb on Japan. You are extremely confused Aussie. I was not talking about a lone Hamas gunman. I was talking about the Hamas leadership. The ones organising the war against Israel. Get a new put down line FD.  the 'you are confused' one is way overused. Who cares about their current Leadership?  They have been soundly defeated whether they have surrendered or not.  Massad can go after them.  No need to continue an all out War to get them.

The Israeli army cares about the current leadership, because they are the ones directing the attacks against Israel. If Mossad was able to fix the problem for them, it would not still be a problem.

Do you know whether Hamas has surrendered Aussie?

Do you know whether they have returned the hostages?

I realise these might sound like stupid questions, but I ask because you keep saying such stupid things. And yes, you are very confused. As well as completely lacking in morals. A person such as yourself who is prepared to kill 100 million Jews in order to "solve" the problem will never be taken seriously when he tries to tell Israel what they need or do not need.

Whether the hostages are returned or not, whether Hamas is defeated or not, Gaza is destined to be an unpopulated geographical expression.

You truly are a cock head, FD.


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The Israeli army cares about the current leadership, because they are the ones directing the attacks against Israel. If Mossad was able to fix the problem for them, it would not still be a problem.

The Israeli Army is the tool of Netanyahu.  He is using the very excuses you are to justify continuing a War he has already won.  Eckhart may well be right...his blood lust will not be satisfied until there is no Gaza.  I am trying to think what that reminds me of, in my 'confused' state.


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Do you know whether Hamas has surrendered Aussie? Do you know whether they have returned the hostages? I realise these might sound like stupid questions,

Yes, they are because we both, just like everyone else, know the answer to your half smart crap.


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but I ask because you keep saying such stupid things. And yes, you are very confused. As well as completely lacking in morals. A person such as yourself who is prepared to kill 100 million Jews in order to "solve" the problem will never be taken seriously when he tries to tell Israel what they need or do not need.

One day it will not be just me telling Netanyahu what he needs to do.

Aussie, do you admit to being in favour of killing 100 million Jews as part of your final solution to middle east peace?

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 3:53pm:

The Israeli Army is the tool of Netanyahu.

Netanyahu is the tool of the IDF and Israeli fury, which can only be channelled towards the ultimate goal of ending Gaza.

It cannot be halted.

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 3:56pm:

Aussie, do you admit to being in favour of killing 100 million Jews as part of your final solution to middle east peace?

No.  Absurd. 

Do you admit to being a half smart arse cock head who constantly seeks to misrepresent what people have actually said?

And by the way, moron, there are not 100 million Jews in Israel,

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And by the way, moron, there are not 100 million Jews in Israel,

Yes. I was wondering where you would get them all from.

According to Hamas itself, about 35,000 Palestinians have been killed by the IDF since October.  That is 5,000 a MONTH. It would take 400 months or 33 years to kill all 2 million of them all IF they stopped having kids. But the population growth in Gaza is 2.7 % per year (2022 est). Of a population of 2.2 million, that is about 60,000 a year or ....er.....5,000 a MONTH.

If Israel really wanted to wipe out all the Gazans, would they be really doing it at the rate Gazans are replacing themselves? Really??


"Genocide" is an idiotic, deliberate hyperbole. There are roughly as many Palestinians in Gaza now as  before October 2023.

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 5:09pm:

According to Hamas itself, about 35,000 Palestinians have been killed by the IDF since October.  That is 5,000 a MONTH. It would take 400 months or 33 years to kill all 2 million of them all IF they stopped having kids. But the population growth in Gaza is 2.7 % per year (2022 est). Of a population of 2.2 million, that is about 60,000 a year or ....er.....5,000 a MONTH. If Israel really wanted to wipe out all the Gazans, would they be really doing it at the rate Gazans are replacing themselves? Really?? "Genocide" is an idiotic, deliberate hyperbole. There are roughly as many Palestinians in Gaza now as  before October 2023.

What an absurd and artificial argument and obviously maths is not your strong point.

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 5:22pm:

Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:09pm: According to Hamas itself, about 35,000 Palestinians have been killed by the IDF since October.  That is 5,000 a MONTH. It would take 400 months or 33 years to kill all 2 million of them all IF they stopped having kids. But the population growth in Gaza is 2.7 % per year (2022 est). Of a population of 2.2 million, that is about 60,000 a year or ....er.....5,000 a MONTH. If Israel really wanted to wipe out all the Gazans, would they be really doing it at the rate Gazans are replacing themselves? Really?? "Genocide" is an idiotic, deliberate hyperbole. There are roughly as many Palestinians in Gaza now as  before October 2023. What an absurd and artificial argument and obviously maths is not your strong point.

care to point out the error  ;D ;D ;D ;D

aquascoot wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 5:36pm:

Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:22pm: Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:09pm: According to Hamas itself, about 35,000 Palestinians have been killed by the IDF since October.  That is 5,000 a MONTH. It would take 400 months or 33 years to kill all 2 million of them all IF they stopped having kids. But the population growth in Gaza is 2.7 % per year (2022 est). Of a population of 2.2 million, that is about 60,000 a year or ....er.....5,000 a MONTH. If Israel really wanted to wipe out all the Gazans, would they be really doing it at the rate Gazans are replacing themselves? Really?? "Genocide" is an idiotic, deliberate hyperbole. There are roughly as many Palestinians in Gaza now as  before October 2023. What an absurd and artificial argument and obviously maths is not your strong point. care to point out the error  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Get your calculator out Mr Ed.

Israel's objective in ending Gaza is not to kill all Gazan Palestinians but to displace them all, to permanently end the territory as a launching pad for future attacks on Israel.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 5:53pm:

Israel's objective in ending Gaza is not to kill all Gazan Palestinians but to displace them all, to permanently end the territory as a launching pad for future attacks on Israel.

I think you are right.  Why don't they just say so?

Maybe Jews don't like to think they are really 'displacing' people, ey?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWoQW-b6Ph8

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:36pm: Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:22pm: Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:09pm: According to Hamas itself, about 35,000 Palestinians have been killed by the IDF since October.  That is 5,000 a MONTH. It would take 400 months or 33 years to kill all 2 million of them all IF they stopped having kids. But the population growth in Gaza is 2.7 % per year (2022 est). Of a population of 2.2 million, that is about 60,000 a year or ....er.....5,000 a MONTH. If Israel really wanted to wipe out all the Gazans, would they be really doing it at the rate Gazans are replacing themselves? Really?? "Genocide" is an idiotic, deliberate hyperbole. There are roughly as many Palestinians in Gaza now as  before October 2023. What an absurd and artificial argument and obviously maths is not your strong point. care to point out the error  ;D ;D ;D ;D Get your calculator out Mr Ed.

Yes, Arssie, do get your calculator. The one eyed trouser snake you are holding firmly ain't one ....

Gaza population in 2023 - 2.2 million

Birth rate= 27.67per 1,000 population. That is 2.767 per 100, or 2.767%.

2.767 % of 2.2 million =  60,874 annual births in Gaza. That is a touch above 5,000 per month.


No wonder you are a taxi driver pretending to be a failed lawyer, Arrssie.

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 6:33pm:

Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:41pm: aquascoot wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:36pm: Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:22pm: Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:09pm: According to Hamas itself, about 35,000 Palestinians have been killed by the IDF since October.  That is 5,000 a MONTH. It would take 400 months or 33 years to kill all 2 million of them all IF they stopped having kids. But the population growth in Gaza is 2.7 % per year (2022 est). Of a population of 2.2 million, that is about 60,000 a year or ....er.....5,000 a MONTH. If Israel really wanted to wipe out all the Gazans, would they be really doing it at the rate Gazans are replacing themselves? Really?? "Genocide" is an idiotic, deliberate hyperbole. There are roughly as many Palestinians in Gaza now as  before October 2023. What an absurd and artificial argument and obviously maths is not your strong point. care to point out the error  ;D ;D ;D ;D Get your calculator out Mr Ed. Yes, Arssie, do get your calculator. The one eyed trouser snake you are holding firmly ain't one .... Gaza population in 2023 - 2.2 million Birth rate= 27.67per 1,000 population. That is 2.767 per 100, or 2.767%. 2.767 % of 2.2 million =  60,874 annual births in Gaza. That is a touch above 5,000 per month. No wonder you are a taxi driver pretending to be a failed lawyer, Arrssie.

No wonder you are the Uni's Janitor as you have finally seen how incorrect your initial figures were.  You've moved the goalposts/changed the figures.

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 6:46pm:

Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 6:33pm: Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:41pm: aquascoot wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:36pm: Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:22pm: Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:09pm: According to Hamas itself, about 35,000 Palestinians have been killed by the IDF since October.  That is 5,000 a MONTH. It would take 400 months or 33 years to kill all 2 million of them all IF they stopped having kids. But the population growth in Gaza is 2.7 % per year (2022 est). Of a population of 2.2 million, that is about 60,000 a year or ....er.....5,000 a MONTH. If Israel really wanted to wipe out all the Gazans, would they be really doing it at the rate Gazans are replacing themselves? Really?? "Genocide" is an idiotic, deliberate hyperbole. There are roughly as many Palestinians in Gaza now as  before October 2023. What an absurd and artificial argument and obviously maths is not your strong point. care to point out the error  ;D ;D ;D ;D Get your calculator out Mr Ed. Yes, Arssie, do get your calculator. The one eyed trouser snake you are holding firmly ain't one .... Gaza population in 2023 - 2.2 million Birth rate= 27.67per 1,000 population. That is 2.767 per 100, or 2.767%. 2.767 % of 2.2 million =  60,874 annual births in Gaza. That is a touch above 5,000 per month. No wonder you are a taxi driver pretending to be a failed lawyer, Arrssie. No wonder you are the Uni's Janitor as you have finally seen how incorrect your initial figures were.  You've moved the goalposts/changed the figures.

;D ;D :D :D :D

What are YOUR figures and YOUR goal posts, Arrse?

Do tell us. Go on. Lawyer-like. Sophisticated, intelligent, pertinent. Can you still do it, as a taxi driver?

Go on, Arrse, give us your calculations.

No, others will have done them, just like I did.

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 4:35pm:

freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 3:56pm: Aussie, do you admit to being in favour of killing 100 million Jews as part of your final solution to middle east peace? No.  Absurd.  Do you admit to being a half smart arse cock head who constantly seeks to misrepresent what people have actually said? And by the way, moron, there are not 100 million Jews in Israel,

How about 10 million dead Jews. Would you be comfortable with that Aussie?

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 8:04pm:

No, others will have done them, just like I did.

Thank you, stupid. Squirm on.

A major advantage in Israel's favour as it continues its progress towards ending Gaza, is that all Sunni Muslim regimes are highly invested in disrupting and destroying Islamist movements in the region.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 8:58am:

A major advantage in Israel's favour as it continues its progress towards ending Gaza, is that all Sunni Muslim regimes are highly invested in disrupting and destroying Islamist movements in the region.

Maybe ISIS made them realise they are a bad idea. They wanted to prioritise killing the 'hypocrites' before the Jews.

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:00pm:

Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 4:35pm: freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 3:56pm: Aussie, do you admit to being in favour of killing 100 million Jews as part of your final solution to middle east peace? No.  Absurd.  Do you admit to being a half smart arse cock head who constantly seeks to misrepresent what people have actually said? And by the way, moron, there are not 100 million Jews in Israel, How about 10 million dead Jews. Would you be comfortable with that Aussie?

No, but that would have been their decision, not mine.  And, it's 7 million in Israel.

freediver wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 9:05am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 8:58am: A major advantage in Israel's favour as it continues its progress towards ending Gaza, is that all Sunni Muslim regimes are highly invested in disrupting and destroying Islamist movements in the region. Maybe ISIS made them realise they are a bad idea. They wanted to prioritise killing the 'hypocrites' before the Jews.

It happened before ISIS - the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, for example, and Al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia. Even the Saudis allowed non-Muslim US troops into the country to prosecute the war against Al Qaeda.

There'll be a Sunni bullet with Hezbollah's name on it, I'd bet.

Aussie wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 9:26am:

freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:00pm: Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 4:35pm: freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 3:56pm: Aussie, do you admit to being in favour of killing 100 million Jews as part of your final solution to middle east peace? No.  Absurd.  Do you admit to being a half smart arse cock head who constantly seeks to misrepresent what people have actually said? And by the way, moron, there are not 100 million Jews in Israel, How about 10 million dead Jews. Would you be comfortable with that Aussie? No, but that would have been their decision, not mine.  And, it's 7 million in Israel.

What do you mean by that Aussie? Why is it "their decision" whether you feel comfortable with killing 10 million Jews? And who are "they"?

freediver wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 9:57am:

Aussie wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 9:26am: freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:00pm: Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 4:35pm: freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 3:56pm: Aussie, do you admit to being in favour of killing 100 million Jews as part of your final solution to middle east peace? No.  Absurd.  Do you admit to being a half smart arse cock head who constantly seeks to misrepresent what people have actually said? And by the way, moron, there are not 100 million Jews in Israel, How about 10 million dead Jews. Would you be comfortable with that Aussie? No, but that would have been their decision, not mine.  And, it's 7 million in Israel. What do you mean by that Aussie? Why is it "their decision" whether you feel comfortable with killing 10 million Jews? And who are "they"?

I have already explained it to you a thousand times so Ima not doing it a 1001 times because you are obviously an idiot who can't understand a simple concept.

Aussie wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 10:10am:

freediver wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 9:57am: Aussie wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 9:26am: freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:00pm: Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 4:35pm: freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 3:56pm: Aussie, do you admit to being in favour of killing 100 million Jews as part of your final solution to middle east peace? No.  Absurd.  Do you admit to being a half smart arse cock head who constantly seeks to misrepresent what people have actually said? And by the way, moron, there are not 100 million Jews in Israel, How about 10 million dead Jews. Would you be comfortable with that Aussie? No, but that would have been their decision, not mine.  And, it's 7 million in Israel. What do you mean by that Aussie? Why is it "their decision" whether you feel comfortable with killing 10 million Jews? And who are "they"? I have already explained it to you a thousand times so Ima not doing it a 1001 times because you are obviously an idiot who can't understand a simple concept.

It may seem obvious to you Aussie, but you are a genocidal psychopath.

freediver wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 10:41am:

Aussie wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 10:10am: freediver wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 9:57am: Aussie wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 9:26am: freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:00pm: Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 4:35pm: freediver wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 3:56pm: Aussie, do you admit to being in favour of killing 100 million Jews as part of your final solution to middle east peace? No.  Absurd.  Do you admit to being a half smart arse cock head who constantly seeks to misrepresent what people have actually said? And by the way, moron, there are not 100 million Jews in Israel, How about 10 million dead Jews. Would you be comfortable with that Aussie? No, but that would have been their decision, not mine.  And, it's 7 million in Israel. What do you mean by that Aussie? Why is it "their decision" whether you feel comfortable with killing 10 million Jews? And who are "they"? I have already explained it to you a thousand times so Ima not doing it a 1001 times because you are obviously an idiot who can't understand a simple concept. It may seem obvious to you Aussie, but you are a genocidal psychopath.

Righteo!