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Message started by wombatwoody on May 1st, 2024 at 2:12am

Title: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by wombatwoody on May 1st, 2024 at 2:12am
Jill Stein, U.S. presidential candidate for the Green Party, was arrested yesterday for joining in the student protests of the genocide in Gaza. She had this to say (3 min clip):

"Jews, and I know myself because I was raised as part of this, have been taught a certain version of history which is not quite accurate ... Being anti-Zionist is not the same as being antisemitic"


https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/4/29/us-presidential-candidate-speaks-out-after-anti-war-protest-arrest




Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by freediver on May 1st, 2024 at 7:23am

Quote:
Being anti-Zionist is not the same as being antisemitic


Most people who are one do both pretty well. Even if they delude themselves otherwise. Most versions of anti-zionism involve another holocaust.

For example, they think spreading Nazi-esque conspiracy theories about Jews is not anti semitic because in their ignorance, they think it is true. They do this without pausing to consider even how ludicrous their conspiracies are.

Calling themself an anti-zionist is often just an exercise in turd polishing.

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by Jovial Monk on May 1st, 2024 at 8:59am
Nope. The record of dispossession of West Bank Palestinians is shocking—Israeli Jews are moving into areas where Palestinians were dispossessed and building settlements there. Now we have over 30,000 killed in Gaza.

Zionism is just a form of racism—exclusion of other faiths.

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by freediver on May 1st, 2024 at 9:46am
Here is an example of Monk mindlessly spreading propaganda on behalf of a terrorist organisation. He defended this by saying that even though it is a lie, it will become true because we know the Jews will do it anyway.


Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 18th, 2024 at 4:59pm:
Gaza invasion was a land grab

https://twitter.com/MichaelWestBiz/status/1780740780229034299

Israel building settlements in Gaza.



Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 21st, 2024 at 8:14am:
We will see whether Jewish settlements are built in Gaza. They are being built in the West Bank on stolen Palestinian land so why not Gaza?


If it was anyone other than the Jews, would Monk be so gullible, and go on to use his crystal ball to justify it?

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by greggerypeccary on May 1st, 2024 at 9:47am

She's 100% correct.


Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by freediver on May 1st, 2024 at 9:52am
Greg also:


greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22nd, 2024 at 11:18am:
The children under 18 have all been murdered by the IDF.



greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 2:38pm:
The IDF is a terrorist organisation (no better than Hamas) and they are killing innocent men, women, and children.

This is not opinion - it is a fact.


I'm pretty sure he made both of those up himself. He would instantly recognise it is racist to make up lies about any other group like this, but he thinks it is OK because they are Jews.

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by greggerypeccary on May 1st, 2024 at 10:36am

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:52am:
Greg also:


greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22nd, 2024 at 11:18am:
The children under 18 have all been murdered by the IDF.



greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 2:38pm:
The IDF is a terrorist organisation (no better than Hamas) and they are killing innocent men, women, and children.

This is not opinion - it is a fact.


I'm pretty sure he made both of those up himself. He would instantly recognise it is racist to make up lies about any other group like this, but he thinks it is OK because they are Jews.


Lol   ;D

The IDF isn't a race.

It's a military (terrorist) organisation.

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by freediver on May 1st, 2024 at 11:19am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 10:36am:

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:52am:
Greg also:


greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22nd, 2024 at 11:18am:
The children under 18 have all been murdered by the IDF.



greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 2:38pm:
The IDF is a terrorist organisation (no better than Hamas) and they are killing innocent men, women, and children.

This is not opinion - it is a fact.


I'm pretty sure he made both of those up himself. He would instantly recognise it is racist to make up lies about any other group like this, but he thinks it is OK because they are Jews.


Lol   ;D

The IDF isn't a race.

It's a military (terrorist) organisation.


So it's just a coincidence that they are Jewish and you are spreading lies about them killing all the children under 18 on behalf of a terrorist organisation?

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 1st, 2024 at 12:13pm
That's nice to know - so Hamas wasn't killing Jews - just Zionists.

Sounds like someone should be  shutting down rights for Australians who are Offshore and want to come home to their Homeland.... something familiar there.....  ummmm... this Lake Eyre business could become the Dead Sea Rollover or something...

You know what?  Just shut it all down now... stop handing the Australian people trouble that ultimately you don't have the numbers to handle.

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by freediver on May 1st, 2024 at 12:22pm
Another example. Aussie blames Zionism for conflict in the middle east. He is an anti zionist, but insists he is not a racist. His proposed final solution is to ethnically cleanse the area of Jews. He was happy for 100 million Jews to be killed in the process. Not sure where he would get that many from. There are not that many left in the middle east.

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by greggerypeccary on May 1st, 2024 at 1:01pm

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 11:19am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 10:36am:

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:52am:
Greg also:


greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22nd, 2024 at 11:18am:
The children under 18 have all been murdered by the IDF.



greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 2:38pm:
The IDF is a terrorist organisation (no better than Hamas) and they are killing innocent men, women, and children.

This is not opinion - it is a fact.


I'm pretty sure he made both of those up himself. He would instantly recognise it is racist to make up lies about any other group like this, but he thinks it is OK because they are Jews.


Lol   ;D

The IDF isn't a race.

It's a military (terrorist) organisation.


So it's just a coincidence that they are Jewish and you are spreading lies about them killing all the children under 18 on behalf of a terrorist organisation?


I don't care one little bit that they are Jewish - that's not why I condemn them.

I condemn them for murdering pregnant women, babies, and children.

Jewish, Catholic, Buddhist, Muslim, black, white, male, female, young or old, it makes no difference - that's not what I'm condemning them for - I'm condemning them for their terrorist activities.

So, I guess you could accuse me of "terroristism"   :-/

i.e. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular terrorist group.

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by Jovial Monk on May 1st, 2024 at 1:14pm

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:46am:
Here is an example of Monk mindlessly spreading propaganda on behalf of a terrorist organisation. He defended this by saying that even though it is a lie, it will become true because we know the Jews will do it anyway.


Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 18th, 2024 at 4:59pm:
Gaza invasion was a land grab

https://twitter.com/MichaelWestBiz/status/1780740780229034299

Israel building settlements in Gaza.



Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 21st, 2024 at 8:14am:
We will see whether Jewish settlements are built in Gaza. They are being built in the West Bank on stolen Palestinian land so why not Gaza?


If it was anyone other than the Jews, would Monk be so gullible, and go on to use his crystal ball to justify it?


I am part Jewish but not zionist.

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by freediver on May 1st, 2024 at 1:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 1:01pm:

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 11:19am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 10:36am:

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:52am:
Greg also:


greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22nd, 2024 at 11:18am:
The children under 18 have all been murdered by the IDF.



greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 2:38pm:
The IDF is a terrorist organisation (no better than Hamas) and they are killing innocent men, women, and children.

This is not opinion - it is a fact.


I'm pretty sure he made both of those up himself. He would instantly recognise it is racist to make up lies about any other group like this, but he thinks it is OK because they are Jews.


Lol   ;D

The IDF isn't a race.

It's a military (terrorist) organisation.


So it's just a coincidence that they are Jewish and you are spreading lies about them killing all the children under 18 on behalf of a terrorist organisation?


I don't care one little bit that they are Jewish - that's not why I condemn them.

I condemn them for murdering pregnant women, babies, and children.

Jewish, Catholic, Buddhist, Muslim, black, white, male, female, young or old, it makes no difference - that's not what I'm condemning them for - I'm condemning them for their terrorist activities.

So, I guess you could accuse me of "terroristism"   :-/

i.e. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular terrorist group.


Why do you make up these absurd lies about them?

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by wombatwoody on May 3rd, 2024 at 1:42am

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:46am:
Here is an example of Monk mindlessly spreading propaganda on behalf of a terrorist organisation. He defended this by saying that even though it is a lie, it will become true because we know the Jews will do it anyway.


Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 18th, 2024 at 4:59pm:
Gaza invasion was a land grab

https://twitter.com/MichaelWestBiz/status/1780740780229034299

Israel building settlements in Gaza.


And what did Netanyahu say in that tweet?

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by wombatwoody on May 3rd, 2024 at 1:51am
Jill Stein talks with Glenn Greenwald and gives a detailed description of what happened, including when her foot accidentally hit a police officer who then accused her of assaulting him.

Some of her main points:


Quote:
Jewish voices are in the leadership of these protests to demand the end of genocide in Gaza by the apartheid state of Israel

I don't hear or see any anti-Jewish sentiment

The Zionist community is trying to hide behind Judaism and Zionism is not Judaism

This is a genocide that's being live-streamed and as a medical doctor I feel like I'm on a death watch for 2 million people; I don't think I could stand to witness this without fighting it with every fibre of my being

It's a monstrous event that's taking place

The Israelis are normalizing the torture and murder of children

Both major parties are taking their orders from the Israel lobby and the war profiteers and ignoring the overwhelming consensus of the American people who want an immediate ceasefire


From the 56.10 mark and goes for around 12 mins:

https://rumble.com/v4siucc-system-update-263.html

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by freediver on May 3rd, 2024 at 6:19am

wombatwoody wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 1:42am:

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:46am:
Here is an example of Monk mindlessly spreading propaganda on behalf of a terrorist organisation. He defended this by saying that even though it is a lie, it will become true because we know the Jews will do it anyway.


Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 18th, 2024 at 4:59pm:
Gaza invasion was a land grab

https://twitter.com/MichaelWestBiz/status/1780740780229034299

Israel building settlements in Gaza.


And what did Netanyahu say in that tweet?


I'm not going to translate it for you. Perhaps you'd like to make something up? Monk will believe you.

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by wombatwoody on May 4th, 2024 at 2:34am

freediver wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 6:19am:

wombatwoody wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 1:42am:

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:46am:
Here is an example of Monk mindlessly spreading propaganda on behalf of a terrorist organisation. He defended this by saying that even though it is a lie, it will become true because we know the Jews will do it anyway.


Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 18th, 2024 at 4:59pm:
Gaza invasion was a land grab

https://twitter.com/MichaelWestBiz/status/1780740780229034299

Israel building settlements in Gaza.


And what did Netanyahu say in that tweet?


I'm not going to translate it for you.


No translation needed. The English subs make it as clear as day. That shows you didn't even watch it. So why not?

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by athos on May 10th, 2024 at 1:20pm

wombatwoody wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 2:12am:
Jill Stein, U.S. presidential candidate for the Green Party, was arrested yesterday for joining in the student protests of the genocide in Gaza. She had this to say (3 min clip):

"Jews, and I know myself because I was raised as part of this, have been taught a certain version of history which is not quite accurate ... Being anti-Zionist is not the same as being antisemitic"


https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/4/29/us-presidential-candidate-speaks-out-after-anti-war-protest-arrest


Her statement is quite in accordance with common sense.
Most Jews today are not Semites, this can easily be determined by honest and unbiased DNA testing. Most of today's Jews are Ashkenazi who are of Turkish (Khazar) origin and spread from Russia (Not from middle East) throughout Europe. It means they are not Semites. In Israel they speak Yiddish, which is nothing more than a dialect of the German language. The original Jews in the Middle East were actually Arab tribe (Semites) who in ancient times adopted Judaism as their religion, as some of the Arabs became Christians or Muslims. Today they are less than 1% of Jewish population.

The fact is that "being Jewish is a religious, not an ethnic or racial category. As with Christians or Muslims, there are Jews of different nationalities, ethnicities and races. No DNA test will tell you whether you are Jewish, Christian, Buddhist or Atheist".
If you criticize Jews, it is appropriate to be accused of being anti-Jewish, but not anti-Semitic, because today Jews are not Semites.
Anti-Semites are actually Israelis who kill Arabs (Semites).

Can you accuse someone who criticizes Chinese  of being Russophobic or Anti-Slavic???

They are not Semites because obviously they don't look like Semites
 

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by freediver on May 10th, 2024 at 1:30pm

wombatwoody wrote on May 4th, 2024 at 2:34am:

freediver wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 6:19am:

wombatwoody wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 1:42am:

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:46am:
Here is an example of Monk mindlessly spreading propaganda on behalf of a terrorist organisation. He defended this by saying that even though it is a lie, it will become true because we know the Jews will do it anyway.


Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 18th, 2024 at 4:59pm:
Gaza invasion was a land grab

https://twitter.com/MichaelWestBiz/status/1780740780229034299

Israel building settlements in Gaza.


And what did Netanyahu say in that tweet?


I'm not going to translate it for you.


No translation needed. The English subs make it as clear as day. That shows you didn't even watch it. So why not?


I watched it. But I am not gullible enough to believe it just because it is written on the screen for me.

Are you?

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by wombatwoody on May 15th, 2024 at 5:21pm

freediver wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 1:30pm:

wombatwoody wrote on May 4th, 2024 at 2:34am:

freediver wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 6:19am:

wombatwoody wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 1:42am:

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:46am:
Here is an example of Monk mindlessly spreading propaganda on behalf of a terrorist organisation. He defended this by saying that even though it is a lie, it will become true because we know the Jews will do it anyway.


Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 18th, 2024 at 4:59pm:
Gaza invasion was a land grab

https://twitter.com/MichaelWestBiz/status/1780740780229034299

Israel building settlements in Gaza.


And what did Netanyahu say in that tweet?


I'm not going to translate it for you.


No translation needed. The English subs make it as clear as day. That shows you didn't even watch it. So why not?


I watched it. But I am not gullible enough to believe it just because it is written on the screen for me.


Are you suggesting that no right-wing Israeli official has called for the building of settlements in Gaza?



Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by John Smith on May 15th, 2024 at 5:42pm

freediver wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 1:30pm:
I watched it.



but you prefer to pretend otherwise.

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by aquascoot on May 15th, 2024 at 5:55pm
jill is another useful idiot

these protests are organised and funded with money from iran

she is a traitor

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by Frank on May 15th, 2024 at 6:56pm

athos wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

wombatwoody wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 2:12am:
Jill Stein, U.S. presidential candidate for the Green Party, was arrested yesterday for joining in the student protests of the genocide in Gaza. She had this to say (3 min clip):

"Jews, and I know myself because I was raised as part of this, have been taught a certain version of history which is not quite accurate ... Being anti-Zionist is not the same as being antisemitic"


https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/4/29/us-presidential-candidate-speaks-out-after-anti-war-protest-arrest


Her statement is quite in accordance with common sense.
Most Jews today are not Semites, this can easily be determined by honest and unbiased DNA testing. Most of today's Jews are Ashkenazi who are of Turkish (Khazar) origin and spread from Russia (Not from middle East) throughout Europe. It means they are not Semites. In Israel they speak Yiddish, which is nothing more than a dialect of the German language. The original Jews in the Middle East were actually Arab tribe (Semites) who in ancient times adopted Judaism as their religion, as some of the Arabs became Christians or Muslims. Today they are less than 1% of Jewish population.

The fact is that "being Jewish is a religious, not an ethnic or racial category. As with Christians or Muslims, there are Jews of different nationalities, ethnicities and races. No DNA test will tell you whether you are Jewish, Christian, Buddhist or Atheist".
If you criticize Jews, it is appropriate to be accused of being anti-Jewish, but not anti-Semitic, because today Jews are not Semites.
Anti-Semites are actually Israelis who kill Arabs (Semites).

Can you accuse someone who criticizes Chinese  of being Russophobic or Anti-Slavic???

They are not Semites because obviously they don't look like Semites
 

So?

Anti Semitic is about Jew hate. When the term was coined up in the 19th century in Europe Semite referred to Jews. So it meant anti Jew. It made perfect sense after centuries of ani Jew policies and pogroms and banishment and readmissions.
Fiddling on the 'semite' bit it idiotic.


So stop being a stuck in the mud idiot.


Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by Frank on May 15th, 2024 at 7:04pm
I have been to Egypt and Israel, Turkey, Greece and Cyprus,
Crossing form Cairo into Israel on the way to Jerusalem WAS like crossing from Desolate Africa into Switzerland. Even the grass was greener or the Jewish side.
Israel is like a tiny island of civilisation in a sea of dark, menacing superstition and stupidity that is the Muslim world around it. It is palpable, visible.


Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by aquascoot on May 16th, 2024 at 12:40pm

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2024 at 7:04pm:
I have been to Egypt and Israel, Turkey, Greece and Cyprus,
Crossing form Cairo into Israel on the way to Jerusalem WAS like crossing from Desolate Africa into Switzerland. Even the grass was greener or the Jewish side.
Israel is like a tiny island of civilisation in a sea of dark, menacing superstition and stupidity that is the Muslim world around it. It is palpable, visible.



its why the leftie university professors get all the loser students to protest.
jealousy

if you are a uni prof with a prius and a fat wife, you hate hate your life and you resent the successful.
you will always champion losers as you want to tear down successful people

the same people who hate the jews would probably hate trump

they are just back rationalising their own failure and hating on anyone who is an achiever and a go-getter

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by thegreatdivide on May 16th, 2024 at 12:57pm

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 9:52am:
Greg also:


greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22nd, 2024 at 11:18am:
The children under 18 have all been murdered by the IDF.



greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 2:38pm:
The IDF is a terrorist organisation (no better than Hamas) and they are killing innocent men, women, and children.

This is not opinion - it is a fact.


I'm pretty sure he made both of those up himself. He would instantly recognise it is racist to make up lies about any other group like this, but he thinks it is OK because they are Jews.


https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/race-ethnicity-heritage-and-immigration-among-u-s-jews/

The current survey, like most Center surveys in the United States, measures race and ethnicity using categories that mirror the way the U.S. Census Bureau asks about these identities, which is necessary for statistical reasons in order to ensure that surveys are representative of U.S. adults overall.34 When given these choices, 92% of U.S. Jews describe themselves as White and non-Hispanic, while 8% say they belong to another racial or ethnic group. This includes 1% who identify as Black and non-Hispanic; 4% who identify as Hispanic; and 3% who identify with another race or ethnicity – such as Asian, American Indian or Hawaiian/Pacific Islander – or with more than one race.

So Jews are many races/ethniticies, among whom are zionists who believe they are "The Chosen People" who are entitled to "The Promised Land" (Jewish Bible/Old Testament).

See the problem? 

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by thegreatdivide on May 16th, 2024 at 1:36pm

aquascoot wrote on May 16th, 2024 at 12:40pm:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2024 at 7:04pm:
I have been to Egypt and Israel, Turkey, Greece and Cyprus,
Crossing form Cairo into Israel on the way to Jerusalem WAS like crossing from Desolate Africa into Switzerland. Even the grass was greener or the Jewish side.
Israel is like a tiny island of civilisation in a sea of dark, menacing superstition and stupidity that is the Muslim world around it. It is palpable, visible.


its why the leftie university professors get all the loser students to protest.
jealousy


No,  some people don't like war - unlike conservative "freedom or death" losers.


Quote:
if you are a uni prof with a prius and a fat wife, you hate hate your life and you resent the successful.
you will always champion losers as you want to tear down successful people


Generalization?


Quote:
the same people who hate the jews would probably hate trump


Trump: "Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’".

Er.... people on both sides die in war, not only "losers". 


Quote:
they are just back rationalising their own failure and hating on anyone who is an achiever and a go-getter


No; conflict is ugly, achievement is wonderful - the Left's vision. 

As to Frank's ignorant statement about the Muslim world:

In 1953, the highly popular, modernizing PM of Iran, Mosaddegh,  was deposed by UK and US 'security' goons (inc the CIA).

...restoring the compliant, reactionary Monarchy of the Shah, setting the nation back and eventually leading to the Islamic theocracy of today.

A bit the like the effect of PM Rabin's assassination by a zionist f**kwit, destroying the ME  peace process.

Deplorable.   

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by Dnarever on May 16th, 2024 at 1:42pm

Quote:
Anti-Zionism is not Anti Semitism


The problem is neither. The problem is the ethnic cleansing of the palestinian people.

Opposing this is neither Anti-Zionism nor Anti Semitism.

It is anti atrocities.

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by aquascoot on May 16th, 2024 at 2:12pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 16th, 2024 at 1:36pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 16th, 2024 at 12:40pm:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2024 at 7:04pm:
I have been to Egypt and Israel, Turkey, Greece and Cyprus,
Crossing form Cairo into Israel on the way to Jerusalem WAS like crossing from Desolate Africa into Switzerland. Even the grass was greener or the Jewish side.
Israel is like a tiny island of civilisation in a sea of dark, menacing superstition and stupidity that is the Muslim world around it. It is palpable, visible.


its why the leftie university professors get all the loser students to protest.
jealousy


No,  some people don't like war - unlike conservative "freedom or death" losers.


Quote:
if you are a uni prof with a prius and a fat wife, you hate hate your life and you resent the successful.
you will always champion losers as you want to tear down successful people


Generalization?

[quote]the same people who hate the jews would probably hate trump


Trump: "Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’".

Er.... people on both sides die in war, not only "losers". 


Quote:
they are just back rationalising their own failure and hating on anyone who is an achiever and a go-getter


No; conflict is ugly, achievement is wonderful - the Left's vision. 

As to Frank's ignorant statement about the Muslim world:

In 1953, the highly popular, modernizing PM of Iran, Mosaddegh,  was deposed by UK and US 'security' goons (inc the CIA).

...restoring the compliant, reactionary Monarchy of the Shah, setting the nation back and eventually leading to the Islamic theocracy of today.

A bit the like the effect of PM Rabin's assassination by a zionist f**kwit, destroying the ME  peace process.

Deplorable.   
[/quote]


thank you

the jews appear to have achieved quite a lot
many nobel prize winners

the gazans on the other hand appear to have achieved victim status.

the jews saw a rock and split the atom
the gazans saw a rock and threw it at a jewish soldier .

the jews try to mentor them but they appear stuck in failure

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by thegreatdivide on May 16th, 2024 at 2:18pm

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2024 at 6:56pm:

athos wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

wombatwoody wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 2:12am:
Jill Stein, U.S. presidential candidate for the Green Party, was arrested yesterday for joining in the student protests of the genocide in Gaza. She had this to say (3 min clip):

"Jews, and I know myself because I was raised as part of this, have been taught a certain version of history which is not quite accurate ... Being anti-Zionist is not the same as being antisemitic"


https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/4/29/us-presidential-candidate-speaks-out-after-anti-war-protest-arrest


Her statement is quite in accordance with common sense.
Most Jews today are not Semites, this can easily be determined by honest and unbiased DNA testing. Most of today's Jews are Ashkenazi who are of Turkish (Khazar) origin and spread from Russia (Not from middle East) throughout Europe. It means they are not Semites. In Israel they speak Yiddish, which is nothing more than a dialect of the German language. The original Jews in the Middle East were actually Arab tribe (Semites) who in ancient times adopted Judaism as their religion, as some of the Arabs became Christians or Muslims. Today they are less than 1% of Jewish population.

The fact is that "being Jewish is a religious, not an ethnic or racial category. As with Christians or Muslims, there are Jews of different nationalities, ethnicities and races. No DNA test will tell you whether you are Jewish, Christian, Buddhist or Atheist".
If you criticize Jews, it is appropriate to be accused of being anti-Jewish, but not anti-Semitic, because today Jews are not Semites.
Anti-Semites are actually Israelis who kill Arabs (Semites).

Can you accuse someone who criticizes Chinese  of being Russophobic or Anti-Slavic???

They are not Semites because obviously they don't look like Semites
 


So?


Jews are not a race. Some Jews think the "Promised Land" " belongs to them because they are "The Chosen People. 


Quote:
Anti Semitic is about Jew hate.


No, it's about Israel's  oppression of Palestinians.


Quote:
So stop being a stuck in the mud idiot.


It's "mirror time"....

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by wombatwoody on May 18th, 2024 at 7:52pm

John Smith wrote on May 15th, 2024 at 5:42pm:

freediver wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 1:30pm:
I watched it.



but you prefer to pretend otherwise.


He likes to keep his head in the sand.


' On Tuesday, Netanyahu’s national security minister, far-right provocateur Itamar Ben-Gvir, attended a rally by ultranationalist groups in Sderot, near Gaza.

“To end the problem [of Gaza], so that the problem won’t come back, we need to do two things: One, return to Gaza now! Return home! Return to our holy land!

“And second, encourage … the voluntary departure of Gaza’s residents…It is ethical! It is rational! It is right! It is the truth! It is the Torah and it is the only way! And yes, it is humane,” he said.

According to organisers, some 50,000 Israeli settlers and ultranationalists had gathered to hear Ben-Gvir and various hardliners, including some from Netanyahu’s Likud party, speak of “voluntarily migrating” Gaza’s population for it to be settled by Israelis.

In January, Ben-Gvir along with Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, again with several members of the Likud party, attended the Settlement Brings Security and Victory far-right conference, also with calls for the rebuilding of illegal Israeli settlements in Gaza, withdrawn after 2005, and the “voluntary migration” of its people. '


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/16/does-israels-netanyahu-have-a-plan-for-a-day-after-the-war-on-gaza

Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by Frank on May 18th, 2024 at 9:24pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 16th, 2024 at 2:18pm:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2024 at 6:56pm:

athos wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

wombatwoody wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 2:12am:
Jill Stein, U.S. presidential candidate for the Green Party, was arrested yesterday for joining in the student protests of the genocide in Gaza. She had this to say (3 min clip):

"Jews, and I know myself because I was raised as part of this, have been taught a certain version of history which is not quite accurate ... Being anti-Zionist is not the same as being antisemitic"


https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/4/29/us-presidential-candidate-speaks-out-after-anti-war-protest-arrest


Her statement is quite in accordance with common sense.
Most Jews today are not Semites, this can easily be determined by honest and unbiased DNA testing. Most of today's Jews are Ashkenazi who are of Turkish (Khazar) origin and spread from Russia (Not from middle East) throughout Europe. It means they are not Semites. In Israel they speak Yiddish, which is nothing more than a dialect of the German language. The original Jews in the Middle East were actually Arab tribe (Semites) who in ancient times adopted Judaism as their religion, as some of the Arabs became Christians or Muslims. Today they are less than 1% of Jewish population.

The fact is that "being Jewish is a religious, not an ethnic or racial category. As with Christians or Muslims, there are Jews of different nationalities, ethnicities and races. No DNA test will tell you whether you are Jewish, Christian, Buddhist or Atheist".
If you criticize Jews, it is appropriate to be accused of being anti-Jewish, but not anti-Semitic, because today Jews are not Semites.
Anti-Semites are actually Israelis who kill Arabs (Semites).

Can you accuse someone who criticizes Chinese  of being Russophobic or Anti-Slavic???

They are not Semites because obviously they don't look like Semites
 


So?


Jews are not a race. Some Jews think the "Promised Land" " belongs to them because they are "The Chosen People. 


Muslims are not a race. Palestinians aren't either.


They are filthy because their idiotic prophet told them that once they conquer an area it's theirs forever. Muslims still think Spain is theirs because half of it was theirs 500 years ago.





Title: Re: Jill Stein: Anti-Zionism is not Antisemitism
Post by Frank on May 18th, 2024 at 9:26pm

wombatwoody wrote on May 18th, 2024 at 7:52pm:

John Smith wrote on May 15th, 2024 at 5:42pm:

freediver wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 1:30pm:
I watched it.



but you prefer to pretend otherwise.


He likes to keep his head in the sand.


' On Tuesday, Netanyahu’s national security minister, far-right provocateur Itamar Ben-Gvir, attended a rally by ultranationalist groups in Sderot, near Gaza.

“To end the problem [of Gaza], so that the problem won’t come back, we need to do two things: One, return to Gaza now! Return home! Return to our holy land!

“And second, encourage … the voluntary departure of Gaza’s residents…It is ethical! It is rational! It is right! It is the truth! It is the Torah and it is the only way! And yes, it is humane,” he said.

According to organisers, some 50,000 Israeli settlers and ultranationalists had gathered to hear Ben-Gvir and various hardliners, including some from Netanyahu’s Likud party, speak of “voluntarily migrating” Gaza’s population for it to be settled by Israelis.

In January, Ben-Gvir along with Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, again with several members of the Likud party, attended the Settlement Brings Security and Victory far-right conference, also with calls for the rebuilding of illegal Israeli settlements in Gaza, withdrawn after 2005, and the “voluntary migration” of its people. '


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/16/does-israels-netanyahu-have-a-plan-for-a-day-after-the-war-on-gaza

That bastards in Gaza are paid by their own coin for 7 October.

They deserve no less.

Muslims are idiots. The Jews rightly say every morning, "thank God for giving us the Muslims for enemies".

They wouldn't have lasted with the Swiss or the Belgians for 75 years.



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