Why doesn't Albo send the Indian ambassador home?

https://thenightly.com.au/politics/australia/asio-expelled-two-indian-agents-in-2020-after-being-caught-trying-to-steal-sensitive-airport-information-c-14501117


ASIO expelled two Indian agents in 2020 after being caught
trying to steal sensitive airport information


Caleb Runciman
The Nightly
2 Min Read
30 Apr, 2024


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ASIO Director-General Mike Burgess revealed in 2021 that a ‘nest of spies’ had been expelled from Australia in 2020 after they were caught “early” by the security agency.  Credit: MICK TSIKAS/AAPIMAGE

Australia’s spy agency ousted two agents working for the Indian Modi Government after they were caught grooming politicians while also trying to access sensitive airport information.

ASIO Director-General Mike Burgess revealed in 2021 that a “nest of spies” had been expelled from Australia in 2020 after they were caught “early” by the security agency.

Their identity remained unknown until a report by The Washington Post revealed the agents were working for the
“Research and Analysis Wing” of the Indian Modi Government on Monday.

During a threat assessment in 2021, Burgess said:
“they asked a public servant to provide information on security protocols at a major airport.”

“They successfully cultivated and recruited an Australian government security clearance holder who had access to sensitive details of defence technology.”

He said they developed “targeted relationships” with politicians, police, and a foreign embassy.

They were also caught surveilling Indian Australians.

Before the revelations, Burgess did not reveal the nation the operatives were working for, instead saying the information would be an “unnecessary distraction”.

“My focus is on detecting harm and dealing with it – professionally and privately, wherever possible, just as we did in the instance I’ve described,” he said.

The Washington Post reported that two spies working for the Indian agency were ousted during the crackdown.

It was further reported that, according to US and Indian officials, a plot to assassinate a US-based Modi critic — named Gurpatwant Singh Pannun — was underway at the same time Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi was visiting President Joe Biden in June 2023.

The plot was disrupted by US authorities.

Mr Pannun is a lawyer for the Sikhs for Justice organisation and is a part of the Khalistan separatist movement.

Prime Minister Modi raised concerns over “separatist activities” in Australia during a visit last year.

“We will not accept any elements that harm the friendly and warm ties between India and Australia by their actions or thoughts,” he said.

“Prime Minister (Anthony) Albanese has once again assured me he will take strict actions against such elements in the future.”

In February, Mr Burgess said the threat level from
foreign agencies was at its highest level ever.

“In 2024, threats to our way of life have surpassed terrorism as Australia’s principal security concern,” Mr Burgess said.

“We have come full circle. While the terrorism threat level is possible, if we had a threat level for espionage and foreign interference it would be at certain — the highest level on the scale.”

effing immigration -
we not only have too many Indians we've got effing Indian spies inside our buildings.

Are we stupid in Australia?

What would be stupid is to imagine there aren't likely US, British, Israeli, European, Chinese, Russian, Pakistani... spies operating in Australia.

And more stupid: to imagine ASIO does not have operatives in places outside Australia.

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 12:03am:

effing immigration - we not only have too many Indians we've got effing Indian spies inside our buildings. Are we stupid in Australia?

You most certainly are stupid.

Do you think mother England hasn't got spies here you dumbarse?

You're all stupid because... um... er... just because - you're all stupid! That's why.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 7:41am:

What would be stupid is to imagine there aren't likely US, British, Israeli, European, Chinese, Russian, Pakistani... spies operating in Australia. And more stupid: to imagine ASIO does not have operatives in places outside Australia.

But it means that the India PM Narendra Modi is pretending to be our friend
but he is corrupting our defence workers - possibly in our Govt. and also our politicians & police.
It's a scandal.

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 10:42am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 7:41am: What would be stupid is to imagine there aren't likely US, British, Israeli, European, Chinese, Russian, Pakistani... spies operating in Australia. And more stupid: to imagine ASIO does not have operatives in places outside Australia. But it means that the India PM Narendra Modi is pretending to be our friend but he is corrupting our defence workers - possibly in our Govt. and also our politicians & police. It's a scandal.

Do you think the CIA, MI5, Mossad, the FSB, the ISI, the IPI and European security agencies wouldn't have a stake in keeping an eye on what Australian governments are up to?

Do you think ASIO has no interest in what's covertly happening in southeast Asia?

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 10:56am:

Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 10:42am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 7:41am: What would be stupid is to imagine there aren't likely US, British, Israeli, European, Chinese, Russian, Pakistani... spies operating in Australia. And more stupid: to imagine ASIO does not have operatives in places outside Australia. But it means that the India PM Narendra Modi is pretending to be our friend but he is corrupting our defence workers - possibly in our Govt. and also our politicians & police. It's a scandal. Do you think the CIA, MI5, Mossad, the FSB, the ISI, the IPI and European security agencies wouldn't have a stake in keeping an eye on what Australian governments are up to? Do you think ASIO has no interest in what's covertly happening in southeast Asia?

Any other spies need to be caught and hanged too.

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 10:59am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 10:56am: Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 10:42am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 7:41am: What would be stupid is to imagine there aren't likely US, British, Israeli, European, Chinese, Russian, Pakistani... spies operating in Australia. And more stupid: to imagine ASIO does not have operatives in places outside Australia. But it means that the India PM Narendra Modi is pretending to be our friend but he is corrupting our defence workers - possibly in our Govt. and also our politicians & police. It's a scandal. Do you think the CIA, MI5, Mossad, the FSB, the ISI, the IPI and European security agencies wouldn't have a stake in keeping an eye on what Australian governments are up to? Do you think ASIO has no interest in what's covertly happening in southeast Asia? Any other spies need to be caught and hanged too.

Can you imagine an Australian government publicly outing a CIA or MI5 spy?

What do you think China would do to us if an Australian Prime Minister got publicly uppity about Chinese spies? Look what happened over covid.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 11:05am:

Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 10:59am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 10:56am: Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 10:42am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 7:41am: What would be stupid is to imagine there aren't likely US, British, Israeli, European, Chinese, Russian, Pakistani... spies operating in Australia. And more stupid: to imagine ASIO does not have operatives in places outside Australia. But it means that the India PM Narendra Modi is pretending to be our friend but he is corrupting our defence workers - possibly in our Govt. and also our politicians & police. It's a scandal. Do you think the CIA, MI5, Mossad, the FSB, the ISI, the IPI and European security agencies wouldn't have a stake in keeping an eye on what Australian governments are up to? Do you think ASIO has no interest in what's covertly happening in southeast Asia? Any other spies need to be caught and hanged too. Can you imagine an Australian government publicly outing a CIA or MI5 spy? What do you think China would do to us if an Australian Prime Minister got publicly uppity about Chinese spies? Look what happened over covid.

But when when we catch them we just send them home.

Why aren't they hanged in public after a show trial?

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 11:10am:

Why aren't they hanged in public after a show trial?

Why do you think?

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 11:11am:

Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 11:10am: Why aren't they hanged in public after a show trial? Why do you think?

Well there has to be a position somewhere between
a slap on the wrist and hanging?

At the moment it's -
you're a naughty boy - go home.    ::)

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 11:21am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 11:11am: Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 11:10am: Why aren't they hanged in public after a show trial? Why do you think? Well there has to be a position somewhere between a slap on the wrist and hanging? At the moment it's - you're a naughty boy - go home.    ::)

And it would be a good bet that the public outing of Indian spies was the work, or with the approval, of the CIA, MI5 and/or maybe Japan's intelligence agency.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 11:24am:

Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 11:21am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 11:11am: Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 11:10am: Why aren't they hanged in public after a show trial? Why do you think? Well there has to be a position somewhere between a slap on the wrist and hanging? At the moment it's - you're a naughty boy - go home.    ::) And it would be a good bet that the public outing of Indian spies was the work, or with the approval, of the CIA, MI5 and/or maybe Japan's intelligence agency.

Or maybe the clever work of ASIO?

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 11:47am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 11:24am: Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 11:21am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 11:11am: Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 11:10am: Why aren't they hanged in public after a show trial? Why do you think? Well there has to be a position somewhere between a slap on the wrist and hanging? At the moment it's - you're a naughty boy - go home.    ::) And it would be a good bet that the public outing of Indian spies was the work, or with the approval, of the CIA, MI5 and/or maybe Japan's intelligence agency. Or maybe the clever work of ASIO?

More likely 3 of the QUAD.

Those Indian spies may have been more interested in CIA, MI5 or Japan's agency's covert activities.

In Qatar they sentence Indian spies to death:


https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/27/india/qatar-india-death-sentences-intl-hnk/index.html

India ‘deeply shocked’ after Qatar sentences
8 nationals to death on reported spy charges


Vedika Sud Kathleen Magramo
By Vedika Sud, Akanksha Sharma, Aishwarya S Iyer, and Kathleen Magramo, CNN
2 minute read
Updated 4:34 AM EDT, Fri October 27, 2023




Qatar has sentenced eight Indian nationals to death,
India’s government said, following their reported detention in Doha last year on espionage charges.

In a statement Thursday, India’s Ministry of External Affairs said it was “deeply shocked” by the verdict and would take up the matter with Qatari authorities.

“We are in touch with the family members and the legal team, and we are exploring all legal options,” the statement said.

CNN has reached out to Qatar’s government but has not received an official comment.

The Indian nationals were ex-servicemen of the Indian Navy, according to a letter dated December 23 last year by External Affairs Minister, S. Jaishankar, which was posted by Indian member of parliament, Manish Tewari, on X, formerly Twitter.

Tewari says the letter was a written reply to him in response to concerns he had raised in parliament over the “illegal incarceration” of retired Navy officers.

Maj. Gen. (retd.) Satbir Singh, Chairman of the Indian Ex-Servicemen Movement, said the families of the men were “distraught.”

“These men went to train the Qatar Naval personnel, and now they are being blamed for espionage,” he said.

But they were later released.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/12/qatar-releases-eight-ex-indian-navy-officers-after-commuting-death-sentence

Qatar releases former Indian navy officers after dropping death sentences

Seven of the men have already been returned to India, but details of the case remain scant.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 7:41am:

What would be stupid is to imagine there aren't likely US, British, Israeli, European, Chinese, Russian, Pakistani... spies operating in Australia. And more stupid: to imagine ASIO does not have operatives in places outside Australia.

ASIS - as in Service instead of Organisation.  So much to learn about Australia...

So - what is the punishment in India for espionage?


https://testbook.com/ias-preparation/official-secrets-act-1923

The Official Secrets Act of 1923 was introduced in the British colonial era.
The act states that supporting an enemy state's attack against India is strongly prohibited.


Penalties and Prosecutions Under Official Secrets Act, 1923

The Official Secrets Act 1923 (OSA) is an anti-espionage law.
It prohibits the unauthorized disclosure of information that is considered to be a secret by the government.
The Act has been used to prosecute a wide range of offenses, including:

    leaking government documents,
    spying for foreign governments, and
    unauthorized access to government computers.

The penalties for violating the OSA are severe.
Section 3 of the Act deals with the unauthorized communication of a secret.
The maximum punishment for it is life imprisonment.
Section 4 of the Act deals with the unauthorized retention of a secret.
The maximum punishment for Section 4 of the Act is 10 years imprisonment.

Just heard on ABC radio.
It looks like the spying was covered up so as not to interfere with our QUAD partners.
The culprits were quietly sent home.   ::)



https://www.dfat.gov.au/international-relations/regional-architecture/quad

The Quad

The Quad is a diplomatic partnership between Australia, India, Japan, and the United States
committed to supporting an open, stable and prosperous Indo-Pacific that is inclusive and resilient.
It is a key pillar in Australia's foreign policy and complements our
bilateral, regional, and multilateral cooperation, including with partners in Southeast Asia and the Pacific.

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 12:25pm:

Just heard on ABC radio. It looks like the spying was covered up so as not to interfere with our QUAD partners. The culprits were quietly sent home.   ::)

Surprised much?

India's 'punishment' was a public outing.

India has been publicly outed in the US and Canada also.

Another issue of Indian interest in Australia is Khalistani separatists.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 12:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 12:25pm: Just heard on ABC radio. It looks like the spying was covered up so as not to interfere with our QUAD partners. The culprits were quietly sent home.   ::) Surprised much? India's 'punishment' was a public outing. India has been publicly outed in the US and Canada also. Another issue of Indian interest in Australia is Khalistani separatists.

Well - Indian spies in Australia must be breathing a sigh of relief.
In Qatar they'd be hanged but they would only get sent home if caught here.  Phew.

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 12:40pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 12:29pm: Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 12:25pm: Just heard on ABC radio. It looks like the spying was covered up so as not to interfere with our QUAD partners. The culprits were quietly sent home.   ::) Surprised much? India's 'punishment' was a public outing. India has been publicly outed in the US and Canada also. Another issue of Indian interest in Australia is Khalistani separatists. Well - Indian spies in Australia must be breathing a sigh of relief. In Qatar they'd be hanged but they would only get sent home if caught here.  Phew.

Weren't they released in Qatar as well?

Likely India has done deals to get them home.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 12:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 12:40pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 12:29pm: Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 12:25pm: Just heard on ABC radio. It looks like the spying was covered up so as not to interfere with our QUAD partners. The culprits were quietly sent home.   ::) Surprised much? India's 'punishment' was a public outing. India has been publicly outed in the US and Canada also. Another issue of Indian interest in Australia is Khalistani separatists. Well - Indian spies in Australia must be breathing a sigh of relief. In Qatar they'd be hanged but they would only get sent home if caught here.  Phew. Weren't they released in Qatar as well? Likely India has done deals to get them home.

yes - In Qatar - they were eventually released but they were put on trial
and were sentenced to death.

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 12:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 12:48pm: Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 12:40pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 12:29pm: Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 12:25pm: Just heard on ABC radio. It looks like the spying was covered up so as not to interfere with our QUAD partners. The culprits were quietly sent home.   ::) Surprised much? India's 'punishment' was a public outing. India has been publicly outed in the US and Canada also. Another issue of Indian interest in Australia is Khalistani separatists. Well - Indian spies in Australia must be breathing a sigh of relief. In Qatar they'd be hanged but they would only get sent home if caught here.  Phew. Weren't they released in Qatar as well? Likely India has done deals to get them home. yes - In Qatar - they were eventually released but they were put on trial and were sentenced to death.

Maybe India had to up the deal or plead for help from the likes of Saudi Arabia.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 12:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 12:50pm: yes - In Qatar - they were eventually released but they were put on trial and were sentenced to death. Maybe India had to up the deal or plead for help from the likes of Saudi Arabia.

Isn't it strange how democracies have something called the separation of powers -
it separates the Judiciary from Govt -
yet the Govt. decides which cases go to court?    :)

'Timor-Leste’s government was desperate to get a fair deal from the bountiful underwater oil and gas reserves that lay between it and Australia, a trusted ally and regional powerhouse. Success would give it a significant share of fields worth $40bn-$50bn, helping lift the fledgling nation out of poverty. Failure would blow the tyres of an economy heavily reliant on natural resources.
The game, though, was rigged. Australian Secret Intelligence Service (Asis) officers had been instructed to bug key offices of the Timor-Leste government. The listening devices would reveal Timor-Leste’s bottom line, its negotiating tactics and the competing views of cabinet members'. Bernard Collaery protested.
Q. Who is in big legal trouble?
ASIS      [ ]
Bernard Collaery [ ]

chimera wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 1:20pm:

'Timor-Leste’s government was desperate to get a fair deal from the bountiful underwater oil and gas reserves that lay between it and Australia, a trusted ally and regional powerhouse. Success would give it a significant share of fields worth $40bn-$50bn, helping lift the fledgling nation out of poverty. Failure would blow the tyres of an economy heavily reliant on natural resources. The game, though, was rigged. Australian Secret Intelligence Service (Asis) officers had been instructed to bug key offices of the Timor-Leste government. The listening devices would reveal Timor-Leste’s bottom line, its negotiating tactics and the competing views of cabinet members'. Bernard Collaery protested. Q. Who is in big legal trouble? ASIS      [ ] Bernard Collaery [ ]

Yes - our own spy agencies break the laws of other countries.

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 1:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 12:52pm: Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 12:50pm: yes - In Qatar - they were eventually released but they were put on trial and were sentenced to death. Maybe India had to up the deal or plead for help from the likes of Saudi Arabia. Isn't it strange how democracies have something called the separation of powers - it separates the Judiciary from Govt - yet the Govt. decides which cases go to court?    :)

Nothing is separate and independent where national security is concerned.

'Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says he has worked with Julian Assange's legal team to strategise how to free the WikiLeaks founder'.
Biden says he's 'considering it'. Putin agrees and is closely involved. Xi smiles.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 2:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 1:16pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 12:52pm: Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 12:50pm: yes - In Qatar - they were eventually released but they were put on trial and were sentenced to death. Maybe India had to up the deal or plead for help from the likes of Saudi Arabia. Isn't it strange how democracies have something called the separation of powers - it separates the Judiciary from Govt - yet the Govt. decides which cases go to court?    :) Nothing is separate and independent where national security is concerned.

That's true -
I spoke to a lawyer once who said that his office was raided by the Federal police.
He was acting for an international client who had take the Australian Govt. to court.
The Govt. got a search warrant to raid his office and take all his files on the case
on the grounds of national security.
A Judge had signed it -
there was nothing he could do.  WTF?

Started a poll:

Should the Indian spies have got off scot free?

Bobby. wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 6:59am:

Started a poll: Should the Indian spies have got off scot free?

you really are a dumb arse you know that. Do you think you can figure out why they don't typically jail spies?

John Smith wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 3:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2024 at 6:59am: Started a poll: Should the Indian spies have got off scot free? you really are a dumb arse you know that. Do you think you can figure out why they don't typically jail spies?

In Qatar they hang them.
What is your point of contention?

Bobby. wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 4:02pm:

John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2024 at 3:25pm: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2024 at 6:59am: Started a poll: Should the Indian spies have got off scot free? you really are a dumb arse you know that. Do you think you can figure out why they don't typically jail spies? In Qatar they hang them. What is your point of contention?

Good for you dumbrase, now can you figure out why they TYPICALLY don't jail spies?

John Smith wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 4:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2024 at 4:02pm: John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2024 at 3:25pm: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2024 at 6:59am: Started a poll: Should the Indian spies have got off scot free? you really are a dumb arse you know that. Do you think you can figure out why they don't typically jail spies? In Qatar they hang them. What is your point of contention? Good for you dumbrase, now can you figure out why they TYPICALLY don't jail spies?

Smith - you dumb bum - have a read -
the penalties are severe - up to life imprisonment:

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/EspionageFInterference/Report/section?id=committees%2Freportjnt%2F024152%2F25821


Espionage—dealing with information etc. concerning national security which is or will be made available to foreign principal - intention as to national security
     
91.1(1)   Penalty -  Life
     

91.6(b) (i)–(v)
Espionage—dealing with information etc. concerning national security which is or will be made available to foreign principal - reckless as to national security
     
91.1(2)  penalty  25 years
     

Espionage—dealing with information etc. which is or will be made available to foreign principal - intention as to national security
     
91.2(1) penalty 25 years.
     

look you idiot, it's not a difficult question to answer, can you figure out why they TYPICALLY don't jail spies?

John Smith wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 5:04pm:

look you idiot, it's not a difficult question to answer, can you figure out why they TYPICALLY don't jail spies?

Don't call me an idiot - you idiot.

OK - let me try -

ASIO was publicly embarrassed by the whole affair?

How much damaged was done to our national security by the spies?

Bobby. wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 5:06pm:

John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2024 at 5:04pm: look you idiot, it's not a difficult question to answer, can you figure out why they TYPICALLY don't jail spies? Don't call me an idiot - you idiot. OK - let me try - ASIO was publicly embarrassed by the whole affair? How much damaged was done to our national security by the spies?

I'll stop calling you an idiot when you stop acting like one. until then, you'll remain an idiot.

And no, your answer just adds proof to your idiocy. It has nothing to do with ASIO being embarrassed. There are two main reasons and none have anything to do with how precious you might feel
1. WE ALL spy on each other, if you shoot theirs, they shoot yours. No one gets any work done. It works much better for them to just evict them that way  their agents , and your agents, can just go spy on someone else.

2. In many cases ASIO knows who the spies are. It's better to let them think their opponents are being clever, and you learning what you can about their operation, then it is to kick out the guy on the bottom of the ladder, where he'll be replaced by someone you might not know

John Smith wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 5:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2024 at 5:06pm: John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2024 at 5:04pm: look you idiot, it's not a difficult question to answer, can you figure out why they TYPICALLY don't jail spies? Don't call me an idiot - you idiot. OK - let me try - ASIO was publicly embarrassed by the whole affair? How much damaged was done to our national security by the spies? I'll stop calling you an idiot when you stop acting like one. until then, you'll remain an idiot. And no, your answer just adds proof to your idiocy. It has nothing to do with ASIO being embarrassed. There are two main reasons and none have anything to do with how precious you might feel 1. WE ALL spy on each other, if you shoot theirs, they shoot yours. No one gets any work done. It works much better for them to just evict them that way  their agents , and your agents, can just go spy on someone else. 2. In many cases ASIO knows who the spies are. It's better to let them think their opponents are being clever, and you learning what you can about their operation, then it is to kick out the guy on the bottom of the ladder, where he'll be replaced by someone you might not know

That's all speculation - you don't know.   ::)

Bobby. wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 5:20pm:

John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2024 at 5:13pm: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2024 at 5:06pm: John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2024 at 5:04pm: look you idiot, it's not a difficult question to answer, can you figure out why they TYPICALLY don't jail spies? Don't call me an idiot - you idiot. OK - let me try - ASIO was publicly embarrassed by the whole affair? How much damaged was done to our national security by the spies? I'll stop calling you an idiot when you stop acting like one. until then, you'll remain an idiot. And no, your answer just adds proof to your idiocy. It has nothing to do with ASIO being embarrassed. There are two main reasons and none have anything to do with how precious you might feel 1. WE ALL spy on each other, if you shoot theirs, they shoot yours. No one gets any work done. It works much better for them to just evict them that way  their agents , and your agents, can just go spy on someone else. 2. In many cases ASIO knows who the spies are. It's better to let them think their opponents are being clever, and you learning what you can about their operation, then it is to kick out the guy on the bottom of the ladder, where he'll be replaced by someone you might not know That's all speculation - you don't know.   ::)

I know. You on the other hand haven't got a clue

What would be of more interest to intelligence agencies are the nationals spies manage to recruit.

In the case of the Indian spies, I'd bet this outing is part of a CIA-driven public humiliation campaign to punish India for its overreach by murdering, or attempting to murder, citizens of Canada and the US.

Australia is too small a power to have unilaterally decided to go public with this.

After all, it happened not long before Albanese was blowing smoke up Modi's arse in Sydney calling him "the bossh".

'Australia expelled two Indian spies for  trying to 'steal secrets' about airport security'
This was driven by Lord Alan Joyce of Qantas and insecurity of his  yearly bonus bonanza. Nobody knew nothing.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 6:28pm:

What would be of more interest to intelligence agencies are the nationals spies manage to recruit. In the case of the Indian spies, I'd bet this outing is part of a CIA-driven public humiliation campaign to punish India for its overreach by murdering, or attempting to murder, citizens of Canada and the US. Australia is too small a power to have unilaterally decided to go public with this. After all, it happened not long before Albanese was blowing smoke up Modi's arse in Sydney calling him "the bossh".

That's right.


Quote:

He said they developed “targeted relationships” with politicians, police, and a foreign embassy.

So - what are the names of the politicians and police and why aren't they on trial too?

It would have been a sensational trial:

2 Indian spies,
many politicians,
many cops

all on trial and it could have been on live TV.
We have been denied a great spectacle of our justice system.

What happened to those politicians and cops?
Are they still working for us?
Did they get full pensions if they were asked to leave?
What kind of deterrent do we have for other treasonous public servants and spies?

Police had national secrets about the airport?  The best shop for discounted duty-free booze?  Who gave away the privileged info to the airport cops?

chimera wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 8:22pm:

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We'll never know -

we were denied a sensational trial.    :(

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https://thenightly.com.au/politics/australia/asio-expelled-two-indian-agents-in-2020-after-being-caught-trying-to-steal-sensitive-airport-information-c-14501117


Quote:

He said they developed “targeted relationships” with politicians, police, and a foreign embassy.

So - what are the names of the politicians and police and why aren't they on trial too?

It would have been a sensational trial:

2 Indian spies,
many politicians,
many cops

all on trial and it could have been on live TV.
We have been denied a great spectacle of our justice system.

What happened to those politicians and cops?
Are they still working for us?
Did they get full pensions if they were asked to leave?
What kind of deterrent do we have for other treasonous public servants and spies?

Bobby. wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 8:34pm:

We have been denied a boring spectacle of our justice system.

chimera wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 8:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2024 at 8:34pm: We have been denied a boring spectacle of our justice system.

False quote of my words -

apologise.

Any time, bobby, when you give a reason for putting words in Trump's mouth.

chimera wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 9:11pm:

Any time, bobby, when you give a reason for putting words in Trump's mouth.

Don't get sidetracked on to Trump
or Greggy will stuff the whole thread up.   ::)

cop out
apologise

We were denied the media story of the century.

Imagine the show trial we could have had?
Cops and politicians in chains peering over the witness box -
breaking down under questions about treason?

The journalist who broke the news would get to tell about it every day on the news reel -
they'd even get their picture in the paper.

It would be Australia's spygate.

Bobby. wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 6:10am:

We were denied the media story of the century.

no you weren't, that story lives on in your imagination

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 7:12am:

Bobby. wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 6:10am: We were denied the media story of the century. no you weren't, that story lives on in your imagination

You obviously have no imagination.    ::)

Bobby. wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 7:23am:

John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 7:12am: Bobby. wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 6:10am: We were denied the media story of the century. no you weren't, that story lives on in your imagination You obviously have no imagination.    ::)

unlike you, I prefer reality when dealing with current affairs. Maybe that's why you like Trump so much, you both prefer fantasy to reality.

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 7:36am:

unlike you, I prefer reality when dealing with current affairs. Maybe that's why you like Trump so much, you both prefer fantasy to reality.

The reality is that we were denied a show trial.

Why do you support Labor?

Bobby. wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 12:18pm:

John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 7:36am: unlike you, I prefer reality when dealing with current affairs. Maybe that's why you like Trump so much, you both prefer fantasy to reality. The reality is that we were denied a show trial. Why do you support Labor?

It's more about realpolitik.

Australia is too small a country to risk unilaterally off-siding major regional or superpowers.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 12:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 12:18pm: John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 7:36am: unlike you, I prefer reality when dealing with current affairs. Maybe that's why you like Trump so much, you both prefer fantasy to reality. The reality is that we were denied a show trial. Why do you support Labor? It's more about realpolitik. Australia is too small a country to risk unilaterally off-siding major regional or superpowers.

But what about those politicians and cops who were compromised by the 2 spies?

They get off scot free too?

You or I couldn't even get away with a parking ticket
yet those guys get away with treason.  WTF?

Bobby. wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 12:18pm:

John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 7:36am: unlike you, I prefer reality when dealing with current affairs. Maybe that's why you like Trump so much, you both prefer fantasy to reality. The reality is that we were denied a show trial. Why do you support Labor?

ASIO isn't there to put on show trails, thats what Fox is for.

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 2:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 12:18pm: John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 7:36am: unlike you, I prefer reality when dealing with current affairs. Maybe that's why you like Trump so much, you both prefer fantasy to reality. The reality is that we were denied a show trial. Why do you support Labor? ASIO isn't there to put on show trails, thats what Fox is for.

But wouldn't you have enjoyed seeing cops and politicians on trial for treason?

We can't let them get away with that - surely?

Bobby. wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 2:22pm:

But wouldn't you have enjoyed seeing cops and politicians on trial for treason?

for what? your imaginary games? No one said any cop or politician did anything wrong you dumbarse.

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 2:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 2:22pm: But wouldn't you have enjoyed seeing cops and politicians on trial for treason? for what? your imaginary games? No one said any cop or politician did anything wrong you dumbarse.

https://thenightly.com.au/politics/australia/asio-expelled-two-indian-agents-in-2020-after-being-caught-trying-to-steal-sensitive-airport-information-c-14501117


“They successfully cultivated and recruited an Australian government security clearance holder
who had access to sensitive details of defence technology.”

He said they developed “targeted relationships” with politicians, police, and a foreign embassy.