What is the difference? One good one not so much? Both good/bad?


In La cucina italiana non esiste, published on Tuesday, the food historian Alberto Grandi has risked his reputation by stating that a number of Italy’s most jealously guarded dishes developed thanks to influences from overseas.

“I may be seen as the enemy here in Italy, but this country has done well to create an image of its food and wine which did not exist as recently as 50 years ago,” he told The Times.

Pizza as we know it may have been invented in Naples in the 19th century, but if tomato was added back then, it was pieces of fresh tomato, not sauce, said Grandi, who teaches at the University of Parma.

“Tomato sauce did exist after it was introduced from Spain in the 18th century, but it was not preserved,” he said. “Only when it started to be canned in the US and taken back to Italy did it start to be used on pizza at the start of the 20th century.”

Today, the Italian prime minister, Giorgia Meloni, has seized on the task of protecting Italian culinary traditions from foreign meddlers as a way of pushing her patriotic agenda.

“The risk is confusing patriotism, which means saying we have the best food, with nationalism, which is saying outsiders are trying to destroy our culture,” said Grandi.

“The real problem is that today Italians lack an identity, and food has stepped into the breach,” he added.

Who hurt you Frank?

mothra wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 7:19am:

Who hurt you Frank?

How is that pertinent in any way?


Is defending national cuisine, character, values etc - what ARE they? - patriotic or nationalistic?

What's the diff?

Frank wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 8:12am:

mothra wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 7:19am: Who hurt you Frank? How is that pertinent in any way? Is defending national cuisine, character, values etc - what ARE they? - patriotic or nationalistic? What's the diff?

I just find it hilarious that you're even bigoted about food.

Miserable old misanthrope.

mothra wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 8:14am:

Frank wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 8:12am: mothra wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 7:19am: Who hurt you Frank? How is that pertinent in any way? Is defending national cuisine, character, values etc - what ARE they? - patriotic or nationalistic? What's the diff? I just find it hilarious that you're even bigoted about food. Miserable old misanthrope.

It is an article from The Times, you stupid little bint.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/italian-cuisine-does-not-exist-food-historian-claims-6fk8w3k9n

Frank wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 8:36am:

mothra wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 8:14am: Frank wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 8:12am: mothra wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 7:19am: Who hurt you Frank? How is that pertinent in any way? Is defending national cuisine, character, values etc - what ARE they? - patriotic or nationalistic? What's the diff? I just find it hilarious that you're even bigoted about food. Miserable old misanthrope. It is an article from The Times, you stupid little bint. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/italian-cuisine-does-not-exist-food-historian-claims-6fk8w3k9n

Oh! You actually cited your source! It's a first, isn;t it?

mothra wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 8:43am:

Frank wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 8:36am: mothra wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 8:14am: Frank wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 8:12am: mothra wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 7:19am: Who hurt you Frank? How is that pertinent in any way? Is defending national cuisine, character, values etc - what ARE they? - patriotic or nationalistic? What's the diff? I just find it hilarious that you're even bigoted about food. Miserable old misanthrope. It is an article from The Times, you stupid little bint. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/italian-cuisine-does-not-exist-food-historian-claims-6fk8w3k9n Oh! You actually cited your source! It's a first, isn;t it? Now, show me where the Times article mentioned anything about Nationalism?

It is mentioned in the OP, you malicious, blind, devious little shhitt. You just didn't read it, you only wanted to squawk and screech, half-cocked as always. The whole OP IS from the The Times article, except the first line of my questions, clearly separated from the text of the article.

Frank wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 8:53am:

mothra wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 8:43am: Frank wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 8:36am: mothra wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 8:14am: Frank wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 8:12am: mothra wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 7:19am: Who hurt you Frank? How is that pertinent in any way? Is defending national cuisine, character, values etc - what ARE they? - patriotic or nationalistic? What's the diff? I just find it hilarious that you're even bigoted about food. Miserable old misanthrope. It is an article from The Times, you stupid little bint. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/italian-cuisine-does-not-exist-food-historian-claims-6fk8w3k9n Oh! You actually cited your source! It's a first, isn;t it? Now, show me where the Times article mentioned anything about Nationalism? It is mentioned in the OP, you malicious, blind little devious shhitt. You just didn't read it, you only wanted to squawk and screech, half-cocked as always. The whole OP IS from the The Times article, except the first line of my questions, clearly separated from the text of the article.

Yes, i saw my mistake and amended my post. I honestly couldn't imagine thata human aside from you would equate food with nationalism.

But hey, it's a sick, sad world.

And the whole Op may well be fromn the Times article ... but you didn't cite it in the OP.

You never do.

mothra wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 8:56am:

And the whole Op may well be fromn the Times article ... but you didn't cite it in the OP. You never do.

:'( :'( 'you never do'  :'( :'(
Bollocks.



It is IN the OP, blind little shhitt.  All you needed to do is read it, which you still haven't done, it's your 'act of resistance'.  :D.

Keep squawking and scattering your underwear like the dippy, mad old bint you are.

Frank wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 9:16am:

mothra wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 8:56am: And the whole Op may well be fromn the Times article ... but you didn't cite it in the OP. You never do. :'( :'( 'you never do'  :'( :'( Bollocks. It is IN the OP, blind little shhitt.  All you needed to do is read it, which you still haven't done, it's your 'act of resistance'.  :D. Keep squawking and scattering your underwear like the dippy, mad old bint you are.

There is no mention of Time Magazine in the OP, nor is there a link to the article.

But then again, you're mad for a bit of plagiarism, aren't you fruitbat.

The highlighted bit in the Op is particularly amusing.

I don;t think it means what the old boy thinks it means.

You know how buzz-words can be exciting to fan bois.

mothra wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 9:19am:

Frank wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 9:16am: mothra wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 8:56am: And the whole Op may well be fromn the Times article ... but you didn't cite it in the OP. You never do. :'( :'( 'you never do'  :'( :'( Bollocks. It is IN the OP, blind little shhitt.  All you needed to do is read it, which you still haven't done, it's your 'act of resistance'.  :D. Keep squawking and scattering your underwear like the dippy, mad old bint you are. There is no mention of Time Magazine in the OP, nor is there a link to the article. But then again, you're mad for a bit of plagiarism, aren't you fruitbat.

The Times, stupid bint, not Time Magazine.

Have a look at the OP. It is your Challenge of the Day, moronic, thick little septic pimple.

Frank wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 9:23am:

mothra wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 9:19am: Frank wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 9:16am: mothra wrote on Apr 23rd, 2024 at 8:56am: And the whole Op may well be fromn the Times article ... but you didn't cite it in the OP. You never do. :'( :'( 'you never do'  :'( :'( Bollocks. It is IN the OP, blind little shhitt.  All you needed to do is read it, which you still haven't done, it's your 'act of resistance'.  :D. Keep squawking and scattering your underwear like the dippy, mad old bint you are. There is no mention of Time Magazine in the OP, nor is there a link to the article. But then again, you're mad for a bit of plagiarism, aren't you fruitbat. The Times, stupid bint, not Time Magazine. Have a look at the OP. It is your Challenge of the Day, moronic, thick little septic pimple.

Now now Frank ..... too many precise superlatives for the TNUC.  ;D

Landmark Exhibition Celebrates First Nations Fashion

Can there be "first nations fashion" or is it blatant cultural appropriation in reverse?  Isn't like "first nations typography"?

Is constant reference to "First Nations" patriotic, nationalistic, chauvinistic or anachronistic?

The former is "the last refuge of the scoudrel"; the latter is an anachronism in a multi polar world, though nothing wrong with friendly competition at the Olympic Games.