Buggar - I thought there was a strand on this one.....

https://au.news.yahoo.com/rough-sleepers-in-tent-city-face-uncertainty-as-upcoming-festival-threatens-community-231931903.html

"Dozens of Aussies sleeping rough in a so-called "tent city" may now face having to forfeit the only place they call home, with the park they inhabit set to be cleared next month to make way for a festival.

There are currently some 60 tents at Musgrave Park in South Brisbane, which has become known as a makeshift community for those in desperate need of housing. Residents of the park say they don't know what will become of their home when the Paniyiri Festival comes to town, but according to council, "there are strict processes in place to ensure occupied tents aren't removed".

Paul Slater, who runs the Northwest Community Group — a charity to help the homeless — sets up stands twice a week to give away food, clothes, toiletries and tents at the park. Previously speaking to Yahoo News Australia, Slater said the pop-up community reflects the overall dire state of the nation's housing crisis.

Slater said the country is in "a housing emergency" and that "these people aren't here by choice". Extortionate rental prices and a lack of suitable housing have been blamed for Australia's rise in homelessness, with wild weather also posing several safety concerns for those in the park too, Slater explained.

"They're often praying for anything to help them get out of the situation that they're in," he said. "They get stuff stolen, their tents get damaged and they can't sleep because of the noise."

Oh what a sordid web we weave.  ::)

The article says there are 60 tents in the "city", but they could only get 3 or 4 of them in a photo.

Nice looking tents.

Do you think they would mind if I pulled up with a camper trailer?

Homelessness is everywhere.

I thought by voting for Albo and Wong it would be addressed ( pun not intended).

I was wrong, it’s worse than ever. I assume our leaders just can’t see it as they fly on trips above us?

Daves2017 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 8:39pm:

Homelessness is everywhere. I thought by voting for Albo and Wong it would be addressed ( pun not intended). I was wrong, it’s worse than ever. I assume our leaders just can’t see it as they fly on trips above us?

Apart from supply issues, for which there is no short term fix, nothing will ease our housing shortage. The two policies they need to change they won't touch.
Labor went to an election with policies to reform capital gains and negative gearing and in doing so lost an unlosable election.  Labor won't touch these policies now.  Not until those who remember losing are replaced by those to young to remember. 

But we have a trans visibility day.


First things first.

Frank wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 8:59pm:

But we have a trans visibility day. First things first.

😔 sigh

John Smith wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 8:53pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:39pm: Homelessness is everywhere. I thought by voting for Albo and Wong it would be addressed ( pun not intended). I was wrong, it’s worse than ever. I assume our leaders just can’t see it as they fly on trips above us? Apart from supply issues, for which there is no short term fix, nothing will ease our housing shortage. The two policies they need to change they won't touch. Labor went to an election with policies to reform capital gains and negative gearing and in doing so lost an unlosable election.  Labor won't touch these policies now.  Not until those who remember losing are replaced by those to young to remember.

Homelessness has nothing to do with negative gearing. If anything, negative gearing reduces homelessness. The reason there is not more cheap housing available is that we are not allowed to build cheaper housing.

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 9:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:53pm: Daves2017 wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:39pm: Homelessness is everywhere. I thought by voting for Albo and Wong it would be addressed ( pun not intended). I was wrong, it’s worse than ever. I assume our leaders just can’t see it as they fly on trips above us? Apart from supply issues, for which there is no short term fix, nothing will ease our housing shortage. The two policies they need to change they won't touch. Labor went to an election with policies to reform capital gains and negative gearing and in doing so lost an unlosable election.  Labor won't touch these policies now.  Not until those who remember losing are replaced by those to young to remember.  Homelessness has nothing to do with negative gearing. If anything, negative gearing reduces homelessness. The reason there is not more cheap housing available is that we are not allowed to build cheaper housing.

The reason there is so much homelessness is because our housing is some of the most expensive in the developed world. A large driver in pushing up prices is cgt and ng laws. I agree with the negative gearing rules, but I just don't think we can sustain them.

John Smith wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 9:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:06pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:53pm: Daves2017 wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:39pm: Homelessness is everywhere. I thought by voting for Albo and Wong it would be addressed ( pun not intended). I was wrong, it’s worse than ever. I assume our leaders just can’t see it as they fly on trips above us? Apart from supply issues, for which there is no short term fix, nothing will ease our housing shortage. The two policies they need to change they won't touch. Labor went to an election with policies to reform capital gains and negative gearing and in doing so lost an unlosable election.  Labor won't touch these policies now.  Not until those who remember losing are replaced by those to young to remember.  Homelessness has nothing to do with negative gearing. If anything, negative gearing reduces homelessness. The reason there is not more cheap housing available is that we are not allowed to build cheaper housing. The reason there is so much homelessness is because our housing is some of the most expensive in the developed world. A large driver in pushing up prices is cgt and ng laws. I agree with the negative gearing rules, but I just don't think we can sustain them.

From my POV - nobody goes into a business in order to make a loss year after y7ear and thus incur NG.  Having had businesses myself I've had NG ONCE - if you are into NG EVERY year for thirty years of a mortgage - you should have been wound up.

Simple - then there is Concessional Capital Gains Tax - since the objective of encouraging 'investment' in housing was to produce greater supply - and that has manifestly failed despite the encouragement of Concessional CGT which was supposed to make it worthwhile for an 'investor' to sell - it no longer has a place in the calculations.

Furthermore - receiving both CCGT and NG is double dipping against accumulated profit, thus turning a modest profit of 4-5% annually into a mega profit ... a super profit which should be taxed.

Can ye hear 'em, Morag Cameron?  Can ye hear  the pipes callin'?  An' the drums.... d'ye hear the sounds of battle comin'.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQFqSnKcbig

.. and now one for Her Majesty ... gone but not forgotten...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfsasAlICo8

They're not 'Homeless'.
They're 'Bludgers'. Hanging around in Tents in the middle of a City pushing the 'emotional blackmail' card to extort a guilt-ridden hand-out from the Public or Council.

Anyone who is 'truly' homeless might feel ashamed of their situation and stay out of the public eye. Especially when they feel so vulnerable.

Others take advantage of the positive side of it and go out into the wonderful country and rural landscapes like Happy Campers. Enjoying the fresh air, not monoxide in city-central.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 10:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:06pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:53pm: Daves2017 wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:39pm: Homelessness is everywhere. I thought by voting for Albo and Wong it would be addressed ( pun not intended). I was wrong, it’s worse than ever. I assume our leaders just can’t see it as they fly on trips above us? Apart from supply issues, for which there is no short term fix, nothing will ease our housing shortage. The two policies they need to change they won't touch. Labor went to an election with policies to reform capital gains and negative gearing and in doing so lost an unlosable election.  Labor won't touch these policies now.  Not until those who remember losing are replaced by those to young to remember.  Homelessness has nothing to do with negative gearing. If anything, negative gearing reduces homelessness. The reason there is not more cheap housing available is that we are not allowed to build cheaper housing. The reason there is so much homelessness is because our housing is some of the most expensive in the developed world. A large driver in pushing up prices is cgt and ng laws. I agree with the negative gearing rules, but I just don't think we can sustain them. From my POV - nobody goes into a business in order to make a loss year after y7ear and thus incur NG.  Having had businesses myself I've had NG ONCE - if you are into NG EVERY year for thirty years of a mortgage - you should have been wound up. Simple - then there is Concessional Capital Gains Tax - since the objective of encouraging 'investment' in housing was to produce greater supply - and that has manifestly failed despite the encouragement of Concessional CGT which was supposed to make it worthwhile for an 'investor' to sell - it no longer has a place in the calculations. Furthermore - receiving both CCGT and NG is double dipping against accumulated profit, thus turning a modest profit of 4-5% annually into a mega profit ... a super profit which should be taxed. Can ye hear 'em, Morag Cameron?  Can ye hear  the pipes callin'?  An' the drums.... d'ye hear the sounds of battle comin'..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQFqSnKcbig

D’uh, negative gearing is there to reduce the tax on the wealthy by turning highly taxed income into lowly taxed capital. House hoarding is why rents are so bloody high.

John Smith wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 9:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:06pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:53pm: Daves2017 wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:39pm: Homelessness is everywhere. I thought by voting for Albo and Wong it would be addressed ( pun not intended). I was wrong, it’s worse than ever. I assume our leaders just can’t see it as they fly on trips above us? Apart from supply issues, for which there is no short term fix, nothing will ease our housing shortage. The two policies they need to change they won't touch. Labor went to an election with policies to reform capital gains and negative gearing and in doing so lost an unlosable election.  Labor won't touch these policies now.  Not until those who remember losing are replaced by those to young to remember.  Homelessness has nothing to do with negative gearing. If anything, negative gearing reduces homelessness. The reason there is not more cheap housing available is that we are not allowed to build cheaper housing. The reason there is so much homelessness is because our housing is some of the most expensive in the developed world. A large driver in pushing up prices is cgt and ng laws. I agree with the negative gearing rules, but I just don't think we can sustain them.

What controls housing prices is the price of building a new house. Government regulations do a lot to push that price up. We may have the most expensive houses in the world, but we also have the largest, most elaborately capitalised houses in the world. But builders do not charge more for their labour on account of cgt laws.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 7:52am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 10:51pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:06pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:53pm: Daves2017 wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:39pm: Homelessness is everywhere. I thought by voting for Albo and Wong it would be addressed ( pun not intended). I was wrong, it’s worse than ever. I assume our leaders just can’t see it as they fly on trips above us? Apart from supply issues, for which there is no short term fix, nothing will ease our housing shortage. The two policies they need to change they won't touch. Labor went to an election with policies to reform capital gains and negative gearing and in doing so lost an unlosable election.  Labor won't touch these policies now.  Not until those who remember losing are replaced by those to young to remember.  Homelessness has nothing to do with negative gearing. If anything, negative gearing reduces homelessness. The reason there is not more cheap housing available is that we are not allowed to build cheaper housing. The reason there is so much homelessness is because our housing is some of the most expensive in the developed world. A large driver in pushing up prices is cgt and ng laws. I agree with the negative gearing rules, but I just don't think we can sustain them. From my POV - nobody goes into a business in order to make a loss year after y7ear and thus incur NG.  Having had businesses myself I've had NG ONCE - if you are into NG EVERY year for thirty years of a mortgage - you should have been wound up. Simple - then there is Concessional Capital Gains Tax - since the objective of encouraging 'investment' in housing was to produce greater supply - and that has manifestly failed despite the encouragement of Concessional CGT which was supposed to make it worthwhile for an 'investor' to sell - it no longer has a place in the calculations. Furthermore - receiving both CCGT and NG is double dipping against accumulated profit, thus turning a modest profit of 4-5% annually into a mega profit ... a super profit which should be taxed. Can ye hear 'em, Morag Cameron?  Can ye hear  the pipes callin'?  An' the drums.... d'ye hear the sounds of battle comin'..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQFqSnKcbig D’uh, negative gearing is there to reduce the tax on the wealthy by turning highly taxed income into lowly taxed capital. House hoarding is why rents are so bloody high.

Rubbish ... what or who do you class as wealthy?

There are lots of Mum & Dad property investors out there .... they're not house hoarding.

And the way tenancy laws have been slanted many are divesting themselves of their properties because the investment is costing more money in maintenance.(tenants trashing the place)

I think Capital Gains tax is as abhorrent a tax as Death Taxes and should be abolished.(The only certainties in life are death & taxes)

Why should the Govt make any gain in the investment you have taken the financial risk for?

Do they cover you for any investment losses?

Both Negative Gearing and Capital Gains tax should be scrapped.

Most property investments are made as being a form of "superannuation" for buyers in their later lives.

Negative gearing applies the same way to all types of investment, not just houses. So it does not encourage people to invest in housing more or less than anything else. If you removed it from housing, it would push prices up, not down. That would mean more homeless people.

When ignorance dictates economic policy, the outcome is invariably the opposite to that intended.

This guy is getting a lot of attention lately:

https://twitter.com/purplepingers

Not sure if this link will work but it shows his most recent posts... because Space Karen (Elon Musk) has stuffed X/Twitter to the point where you can't read anything recent unless you have an account or a direct link.

https://nitter.poast.org/purplepingers/with_replies

He was even on The Project the other day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2V0ka6fxHs

Fury As TikToker Posts Vacant Property Addresses

The man behind s*it Rentals, Jordan van den Berg, AKA Purple Pingers, has angered Americans after he started collecting addresses of vacant properties and publishing them to encourage those without a home to squat in them amid the housing crisis.

He joins us to explain what's going on.

He's been upsetting Americans too. Someone even tried reporting him to the FBI.  ;D

What's wrong with housing in Australia (and the US and other countries) summed up in a single Tweet.

Disgraceful.

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Carl D are you saying that an 80 year person with dementia who has no family to look after her should be left to die on her own?

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 9:50am:

Carl D are you saying that an 80 year person with dementia who has no family to look after her should be left to die on her own?

Huh?

No, I'm not.

But "Landlord's Victoria" (D'Artagnan Aramis) apparently is.

What an odd question to ask.

Carl D wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 9:54am:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2024 at 9:50am: Carl D are you saying that an 80 year person with dementia who has no family to look after her should be left to die on her own? Huh? No, I'm not. But "Landlord's Victoria" (D'Artagnan Aramis) apparently is.

Do you believe everything you read on the internet?

Where does it even say Aramis wants her to be left to die on her own?

I'm not playing your silly games today, freediver.

Or any other day for that matter.

And if you've been following my posts here over the years you should already know that.

Have a great day.  :)

Your post doesn't even make sense Carl. Did it ever occur to you that it might be BS? Or do you just regurgitate whatever propaganda makes you feel morally superior?

How many 80 year olds with dementia and no family support do you know who live on their own?

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 8:13am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:06pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:53pm: Daves2017 wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:39pm: Homelessness is everywhere. I thought by voting for Albo and Wong it would be addressed ( pun not intended). I was wrong, it’s worse than ever. I assume our leaders just can’t see it as they fly on trips above us? Apart from supply issues, for which there is no short term fix, nothing will ease our housing shortage. The two policies they need to change they won't touch. Labor went to an election with policies to reform capital gains and negative gearing and in doing so lost an unlosable election.  Labor won't touch these policies now.  Not until those who remember losing are replaced by those to young to remember.  Homelessness has nothing to do with negative gearing. If anything, negative gearing reduces homelessness. The reason there is not more cheap housing available is that we are not allowed to build cheaper housing. The reason there is so much homelessness is because our housing is some of the most expensive in the developed world. A large driver in pushing up prices is cgt and ng laws. I agree with the negative gearing rules, but I just don't think we can sustain them. What controls housing prices is the price of building a new house. Government regulations do a lot to push that price up. We may have the most expensive houses in the world, but we also have the largest, most elaborately capitalised houses in the world. But builders do not charge more for their labour on account of cgt laws.

First home buyers are constantly outbid by investors.  That has little to do with the cost of building and everything to do with cgt and ng laws.

John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 12:40pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2024 at 8:13am: John Smith wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:06pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:53pm: Daves2017 wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:39pm: Homelessness is everywhere. I thought by voting for Albo and Wong it would be addressed ( pun not intended). I was wrong, it’s worse than ever. I assume our leaders just can’t see it as they fly on trips above us? Apart from supply issues, for which there is no short term fix, nothing will ease our housing shortage. The two policies they need to change they won't touch. Labor went to an election with policies to reform capital gains and negative gearing and in doing so lost an unlosable election.  Labor won't touch these policies now.  Not until those who remember losing are replaced by those to young to remember.  Homelessness has nothing to do with negative gearing. If anything, negative gearing reduces homelessness. The reason there is not more cheap housing available is that we are not allowed to build cheaper housing. The reason there is so much homelessness is because our housing is some of the most expensive in the developed world. A large driver in pushing up prices is cgt and ng laws. I agree with the negative gearing rules, but I just don't think we can sustain them. What controls housing prices is the price of building a new house. Government regulations do a lot to push that price up. We may have the most expensive houses in the world, but we also have the largest, most elaborately capitalised houses in the world. But builders do not charge more for their labour on account of cgt laws. First home buyers are constantly outbid by investors.  That has little to do with the cost of building and everything to do with cgt and ng laws.

You are confused John, on so many levels. A few auction results does not tell you whether removing negative gearing would result in more or less housing. Did it ever occur to you that the cost of building the house might determine the price of the house? Or do you think it depends only on the events you were exposed to as a real estate agent?

And if the homeless are to obtain housing, do you think they will go straight into first home ownership, or rent from one of those investors you are so jealous of?

I'm thinking of setting up a massive tent. Fill it full of luxurious cushions and pillows... and a harem of concubines.  :D

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 12:44pm:

You are confused John,

it is you who is confused.

And it's not just a few auction results, it's a consistent result over the last few years.

John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 2:02pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2024 at 12:44pm: You are confused John, it is you who is confused. And it's not just a few auction results, it's a consistent result over the last few years.

You are making it up as you go along John, and you do not even know what your made-up BS means anyway. Did it ever occur to you that the cost of building the house might determine the price of the house? Or do you think it depends only on the events you were exposed to as a real estate agent?

And if the homeless are to obtain housing, do you think they will go straight into first home ownership, or rent from one of those investors you are so jealous of?

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 2:18pm:

You are making it up as you go along John

you're  a genuine retard you know that


https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/australias-first-home-buyers-squeezed-out-of-property-market-by-investors/news-story/f3ff71e8fcfa9d9b140b7b81527fedbc

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 2:18pm:

And if the homeless are to obtain housing, do you think they will go straight into first home ownership, or rent from one of those investors you are so jealous of?

no you dumbarse

John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2024 at 2:18pm: You are making it up as you go along John you're  a genuine retard you know that https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/australias-first-home-buyers-squeezed-out-of-property-market-by-investors/news-story/f3ff71e8fcfa9d9b140b7b81527fedbc

John did it ever occur to you that the cost of building the house might determine the price of the house? Or are you somehow impervious to this kind of logic? Do you think the price depends only on the events you were exposed to as a real estate agent?

If the homeless are to obtain housing, do you think they will go straight into first home ownership, or rent from one of those investors you are so jealous of? Straight answer please, not your usual gibberish.

Smith is too bent to give a straight answer.
As is little pink Peccary.

You're both dumb as dogsh it



John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2024 at 2:18pm: And if the homeless are to obtain housing, do you think they will go straight into first home ownership, or rent from one of those investors you are so jealous of? no you dumbarse

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 6:10pm:

Smith is too bent to give a straight answer. As is little pink Peccary.

He didn't even understand the question.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 8:59pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2024 at 6:10pm: Smith is too bent to give a straight answer. As is little pink Peccary. He didn't even understand the question.

Sure I did. That's why i answered.  But for some reason you appear to struggle to understand what 'no' means. 

Well this deteriorated quickly.

On topic if our issue is one of housing supply perhaps we need to look away from our coastline and at our interior?


This is  from a article regarding “ The line”-


A tall and narrow stripe of a city more than 105 miles long, teeming with 9 million residents and running entirely on renewable energy — that's the vision Saudi Arabia's leaders have for The Line, part of a "giga-project" that will reshape the kingdom's northwest.

Newly revealed design concepts show a futuristic walled city — its open interior is enclosed on both sides by a mirrored façade — stretching from the Red Sea eastward across the desert and into a mountain range.

With some people, you have to avoid asking compound questions. Say for example if they have some kind of handicap which means they can only conveniently give yes or no answers. Also John Smith.

just because you struggle to understand what 'yes' and 'no' mean FD. :D :D :D

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 9:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:53pm: Daves2017 wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:39pm: Homelessness is everywhere. I thought by voting for Albo and Wong it would be addressed ( pun not intended). I was wrong, it’s worse than ever. I assume our leaders just can’t see it as they fly on trips above us? Apart from supply issues, for which there is no short term fix, nothing will ease our housing shortage. The two policies they need to change they won't touch. Labor went to an election with policies to reform capital gains and negative gearing and in doing so lost an unlosable election.  Labor won't touch these policies now.  Not until those who remember losing are replaced by those to young to remember.  Homelessness has nothing to do with negative gearing. If anything, negative gearing reduces homelessness. The reason there is not more cheap housing available is that we are not allowed to build cheaper housing.

Sure we are. There are numerous kit homes that are relatively inexpensive. Hell, you can whack a transportable on a block of land ... if you can afford the block of land. And the amenities.

Whoops. Land value. Bummer.

Wonder what's been driving that up then? And why there are so many with so much and so many with nothing at all. Seems, i dunno, inequitable?

What do you think the reasons for that are Fleadriver, now we've dispensed with the cost of building the actual house being prohibitive.

I mean, that's just silly. They literally give away transportables for the cost of moving them in some instances. Reckon a bank loan would stretch to hiring a truck?

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Sure we are. There are numerous kit homes that are relatively inexpensive. Hell, you can whack a transportable on a block of land ... if you can afford the block of land. And the amenities.

And council approval. Have you looked into how much that costs, and whether the council would actually approve it?


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Whoops. Land value. Bummer.

There is plenty of cheap land available in Australia. You don't have to live near the CBD of the state capital.

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:28am:

[quote]Sure we are. There are numerous kit homes that are relatively inexpensive. Hell, you can whack a transportable on a block of land ... if you can afford the block of land. And the amenities.

And council approval. Have you looked into how much that costs, and whether the council would actually approve it?

So, it's not just that house building is too expensive then? Agreed. Thanks.

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:28am:

Whoops. Land value. Bummer.

There is plenty of cheap land available in Australia. You don't have to live near the CBD of the state capital.[/quote]


Sure. All the poor should live in the desert.

Daves2017 wrote on Apr 10^th, 2024 at 1:25am:

Well this deteriorated quickly. On topic if our issue is one of housing supply perhaps we need to look away from our coastline and at our interior? This is  from a article regarding “ The line”- A tall and narrow stripe of a city more than 105 miles long, teeming with 9 million residents and running entirely on renewable energy — that's the vision Saudi Arabia's leaders have for The Line, part of a "giga-project" that will reshape the kingdom's northwest. Newly revealed design concepts show a futuristic walled city — its open interior is enclosed on both sides by a mirrored façade — stretching from the Red Sea eastward across the desert and into a mountain range.

It's an option. But what people call 'homelessness' of me when I was out and about, I called 'Happy Camping'.
In other words - I found it fun, a challenge and a politically liberal feeling.

No way would I camp in some Tent City - you're just asking for trouble from people who made their own trouble being there and are there to 'sponge' and 'scab' from the City around them with 'emotional guilt' for their plight.
Nor would I really hang out in some Tent Village out in the Regional or Rural areas - again, still asking for trouble the moment you leave your tent for the day and to come back to it being ransacked.
Still, people prefer to do so and enjoy so, etc. Let alone don't have the choice.

Me. The Bush is the place to be. And to be in the Bush, means - 'in the Bush' where I can roam naked and run wild and the best things in life are free.  :)

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So, it's not just that house building is too expensive then? Agreed. Thanks.

You are confused Mothra.


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Sure. All the poor should live in the desert.

You don't have to live in the desert to get cheap land. Even along the coastal strip east of the divide that we seem to cling to, we have an extremely sparse population density. There are entire towns for sale for less than the cost of an inner city apartment.

Have you actually looked into the costs and regulations you need to follow Mothra, or are you just having a whinge about things you know nothing about?

Can i ask you a question, Fleadriver?

I have written to the Federal Senate with my designs for homes for the Homeless.

I have many.

So far no response.

Don't put the toilet above the kitchen Boris.

They would cease to be 'homeless' if they had homes.

Occasionally an Aborigine would ask me "Where do you live?"
I answer "Oh, it was bashed into me at a young age by Aborigines, that it's 'their land'. So I don't own any land to have a home on and am 'homeless'."
The look on their faces is priceless - a mix of speechlessness when they see some Whitey living in the bush and at one with nature... more than themselves. ;)

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:35am:

here are entire towns for sale for less than the cost of an inner city apartment.

crap

John Smith wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:52am:

freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 8:35am: here are entire towns for sale for less than the cost of an inner city apartment. crap

And even if there were, how much does it cost to live there?

Fleadriver wants all the poor moved into the desert.

John Smith wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:52am:

freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 8:35am: here are entire towns for sale for less than the cost of an inner city apartment. crap

Entire town in Far North Queensland on sale for just $340,000

https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-town-lappa-up-for-sale-for-just-340000-how-to-buy/52c8bc22-ae2c-4f99-b24e-56d38e2c0713

This Entire Town Is On Sale For $370,000

https://www.newsweek.com/allies-creek-entire-town-sale-au500000-985439

Another one in NSW:

https://www.realestate.com.au/news/an-entire-australian-village-is-up-for-sale/

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:56am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 8:52am: freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 8:35am: here are entire towns for sale for less than the cost of an inner city apartment. crap Entire town in Far North Queensland on sale for just $340,000 https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-town-lappa-up-for-sale-for-just-340000-how-to-buy/52c8bc22-ae2c-4f99-b24e-56d38e2c0713 This Entire Town Is On Sale For $370,000 https://www.newsweek.com/allies-creek-entire-town-sale-au500000-985439 Another one in NSW: https://www.realestate.com.au/news/an-entire-australian-village-is-up-for-sale/

Will they need a bank loan to stock their own general store?

Can that be negative geared?

Gee. How good would it be if all the 'poor' who are 'poor' because they can't afford to live in expensive cities - moved out into the lands of affordable, if not 'free' living?

Soon the poor will be demanding they have Amaroks to drive because they're poor and can't afford them. Maybe pitch a tent in protest?

People who can't afford to live in Point Piper tend to go live in areas where they can afford. It's a simple equational aspect of life. Most certainly don't dumb themselves down by living in Tents in Point Piper to emotionally blackmail the locals in believing they should have 'taxpayer' funded housing in Point Piper.

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:56am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 8:52am: freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 8:35am: here are entire towns for sale for less than the cost of an inner city apartment. crap Entire town in Far North Queensland on sale for just $340,000 https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-town-lappa-up-for-sale-for-just-340000-how-to-buy/52c8bc22-ae2c-4f99-b24e-56d38e2c0713 This Entire Town Is On Sale For $370,000 https://www.newsweek.com/allies-creek-entire-town-sale-au500000-985439

And what jobs are available in 'Lappa'?

What is it going to cost to bring those hundred houses up to a livable standard? Is that cost included in your 'cheaper than a unit price? Does the money for that grow on trees? Or will they be required to finance that as well?

and you pretend to understand economics  ;D ;D ;D ;D

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:58am:

freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 8:56am: John Smith wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 8:52am: freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 8:35am: here are entire towns for sale for less than the cost of an inner city apartment. crap Entire town in Far North Queensland on sale for just $340,000 https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-town-lappa-up-for-sale-for-just-340000-how-to-buy/52c8bc22-ae2c-4f99-b24e-56d38e2c0713 This Entire Town Is On Sale For $370,000 https://www.newsweek.com/allies-creek-entire-town-sale-au500000-985439 Another one in NSW: https://www.realestate.com.au/news/an-entire-australian-village-is-up-for-sale/ Will they need a bank loan to stock their own general store? Can that be negative geared?

I particularly liked his $6 million town. That was certainly fd at his best  :D

Daves2017 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 8:39pm:

Homelessness is everywhere. I thought by voting for Albo and Wong it would be addressed ( pun not intended). I was wrong, it’s worse than ever. I assume our leaders just can’t see it as they fly on trips above us?

The mainstream neoclassical/neoliberal free-market orthodoxy of the 'dismal science' is to blame.

Stupid  Chalmers thinks he has to achieve a government surplus, while people are homeless.

Deplorable.

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 8:49am:

freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 8:56am: John Smith wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 8:52am: freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 8:35am: here are entire towns for sale for less than the cost of an inner city apartment. crap Entire town in Far North Queensland on sale for just $340,000 https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-town-lappa-up-for-sale-for-just-340000-how-to-buy/52c8bc22-ae2c-4f99-b24e-56d38e2c0713 This Entire Town Is On Sale For $370,000 https://www.newsweek.com/allies-creek-entire-town-sale-au500000-985439 And what jobs are available in 'Lappa'? What is it going to cost to bring those hundred houses up to a livable standard? Is that cost included in your 'cheaper than a unit price? Does the money for that grow on trees? Or will they be required to finance that as well? and you pretend to understand economics  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Why bother asking.  No jobs elsewhere anyway, and the track to living remote and getting paid by TheGuv is well worn - just tick the box and become an Abo... traditional spiritual lifestyle... get that land for free .....

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:35am:

Quote: So, it's not just that house building is too expensive then? Agreed. Thanks. You are confused Mothra. [quote]Sure. All the poor should live in the desert.

You don't have to live in the desert to get cheap land. Even along the coastal strip east of the divide that we seem to cling to, we have an extremely sparse population density. There are entire towns for sale for less than the cost of an inner city apartment.

Have you actually looked into the costs and regulations you need to follow Mothra, or are you just having a whinge about things you know nothing about?[/quote]

Liv e somewhere near Lake Eyre and shut the whole place down to those pesky outsiders....  Enforced Land Enclosure Decrees (non-racist) 2024 - Aboriginals Only.

Get a whole lot of little Abo states funded by the idiots in governments at public cost and off you go - just claim the whole lot.

This will not end well.  Block of land and a homeland at Aborassic Park.... Gondwanamo Bay for the dissidents...

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:39pm: Homelessness is everywhere. I thought by voting for Albo and Wong it would be addressed ( pun not intended). I was wrong, it’s worse than ever. I assume our leaders just can’t see it as they fly on trips above us? The mainstream neoclassical/neoliberal free-market orthodoxy of the 'dismal science' is to blame. Stupid  Chalmers thinks he has to achieve a government surplus, while people are homeless. Deplorable.

Yeah - but according to your myopic and autistic view we all support that regardless of what we actually say.... all com0licit and only you know anything about it.  When are you going to get the UN in to bring peace to Gaza?  Been a while.... when are you going to bring Aboriginal sovereignty and all other sovereignties together on the same plane?  When are you going to go out and fix all the Abo problems with your grans scheme - or would you rather they just cop hand-outs for life one wary or another?  where's your job guarantee in action?  Collecting fees to apply to go to a national park ... yeah - got me a job down the park office at $150k pa and a land cruiser... flat out we are... that's a real job, that is?  Counting the profits money from renewables on land we don't actually own other than 'native title'.  Now there's a job...  as the CAO and CEO all in one the Big Boy will need at least half a mill plus all perks before anyone else gets a cent anyway, and the government - meaning the public - will pay it all as rent, eh?

Stick it where the sun don't shine.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 1:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24th, 2024 at 12:03pm: Daves2017 wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:39pm: Homelessness is everywhere. I thought by voting for Albo and Wong it would be addressed ( pun not intended). I was wrong, it’s worse than ever. I assume our leaders just can’t see it as they fly on trips above us? The mainstream neoclassical/neoliberal free-market orthodoxy of the 'dismal science' is to blame. Stupid  Chalmers thinks he has to achieve a government surplus, while people are homeless. Deplorable. Yeah - but according to your myopic and autistic view we all support that regardless of what we actually say....

My post was intended to encourage Dave2017 to start thinking about why the ALP is as useless as the LNP. 

Your response shows you have zero capacity for rational analysis.

You support the current vicious sink or swim free market ideology,  with poverty-level welfare dependency for those who can't swim.

Deplorable. 

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:56am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 8:52am: freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 8:35am: here are entire towns for sale for less than the cost of an inner city apartment. crap Entire town in Far North Queensland on sale for just $340,000 https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-town-lappa-up-for-sale-for-just-340000-how-to-buy/52c8bc22-ae2c-4f99-b24e-56d38e2c0713 This Entire Town Is On Sale For $370,000 https://www.newsweek.com/allies-creek-entire-town-sale-au500000-985439 Another one in NSW: https://www.realestate.com.au/news/an-entire-australian-village-is-up-for-sale/

heres a great business opporunity

buy that town

move there and start a you tube channell

document as you do it up.

invite subscribers to your channel to come and stay for free in return for some labour

make it a boutique international travel destination

retire a millionaire having lived life as a lifter, not a leaner

alternatively sit on your leftie ass and complain and see if you can get rich by sooking  ;)

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 8:13am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:06pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:53pm: Daves2017 wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:39pm: Homelessness is everywhere. I thought by voting for Albo and Wong it would be addressed ( pun not intended). I was wrong, it’s worse than ever. I assume our leaders just can’t see it as they fly on trips above us? Apart from supply issues, for which there is no short term fix, nothing will ease our housing shortage. The two policies they need to change they won't touch. Labor went to an election with policies to reform capital gains and negative gearing and in doing so lost an unlosable election.  Labor won't touch these policies now.  Not until those who remember losing are replaced by those to young to remember.  Homelessness has nothing to do with negative gearing. If anything, negative gearing reduces homelessness. The reason there is not more cheap housing available is that we are not allowed to build cheaper housing. The reason there is so much homelessness is because our housing is some of the most expensive in the developed world. A large driver in pushing up prices is cgt and ng laws. I agree with the negative gearing rules, but I just don't think we can sustain them. What controls housing prices is the price of building a new house.

You forgot demand inflation  reinforced by negative gearing and capital gains tax discounts, as Lambie and Pocock noted yesterday.

Dont be a simpleton,  there are many factors behind high house prices.


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Government regulations do a lot to push that price up. We may have the most expensive houses in the world, but we also have the largest, most elaborately capitalised houses in the world.

Please explain the $million prices for decade-old dumps in Sydney...


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But builders do not charge more for their labour on account of cgt laws.

Correct, and irrelevant; cgt laws encourage investment in new housing as a wealth creation vehicle, driving up prices to the  detriment of first home buyers.

Gnads wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 9:20am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9th, 2024 at 7:52am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 10:51pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 9:06pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:53pm: Daves2017 wrote on Apr 8th, 2024 at 8:39pm: Homelessness is everywhere. I thought by voting for Albo and Wong it would be addressed ( pun not intended). I was wrong, it’s worse than ever. I assume our leaders just can’t see it as they fly on trips above us? Apart from supply issues, for which there is no short term fix, nothing will ease our housing shortage. The two policies they need to change they won't touch. Labor went to an election with policies to reform capital gains and negative gearing and in doing so lost an unlosable election.  Labor won't touch these policies now.  Not until those who remember losing are replaced by those to young to remember.  Homelessness has nothing to do with negative gearing. If anything, negative gearing reduces homelessness. The reason there is not more cheap housing available is that we are not allowed to build cheaper housing. The reason there is so much homelessness is because our housing is some of the most expensive in the developed world. A large driver in pushing up prices is cgt and ng laws. I agree with the negative gearing rules, but I just don't think we can sustain them. From my POV - nobody goes into a business in order to make a loss year after y7ear and thus incur NG.  Having had businesses myself I've had NG ONCE - if you are into NG EVERY year for thirty years of a mortgage - you should have been wound up. Simple - then there is Concessional Capital Gains Tax - since the objective of encouraging 'investment' in housing was to produce greater supply - and that has manifestly failed despite the encouragement of Concessional CGT which was supposed to make it worthwhile for an 'investor' to sell - it no longer has a place in the calculations. Furthermore - receiving both CCGT and NG is double dipping against accumulated profit, thus turning a modest profit of 4-5% annually into a mega profit ... a super profit which should be taxed. Can ye hear 'em, Morag Cameron?  Can ye hear  the pipes callin'?  An' the drums.... d'ye hear the sounds of battle comin'..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQFqSnKcbig D’uh, negative gearing is there to reduce the tax on the wealthy by turning highly taxed income into lowly taxed capital. House hoarding is why rents are so bloody high. Rubbish ... what or who do you class as wealthy?

In the context of this thread, a mortgage free home owner.


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There are lots of Mum & Dad property investors out there .... they're not house hoarding.

And if they own their own house, the investment property is 'hoarding', and driving up prices for 1st home buyers.

Got a game fish on the line.... predictable - reverts instantly to accusation that I somehow support the very thing I oppose so vehemently as part of the reduction of the populace under the despotism of the very central government dividie espouses to control everyone and everything and hand it about as they choose - as they are doing right now with our country .... he reckons that condoning that kind of thing is the solution but doesn't realise it equates to despotism - the very despotism I oppose so vehemently....

The boy has simply no idea what True Revolution is and what is required .... SPLITTER!!

Only one of us can be right...... I was right about 'gender' and 'lefty the mad' ...... the mad Lord Of The Flies rush by the kids has been halted in one review.... now to force Australia into that fold..... the bastards never give up.... they'd lose face and that's far more important than stopping kids being cut up and drugged out of their bodies....  madness .... pure madness .....

Maintain The Rage!!

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You forgot demand inflation  reinforced by negative gearing and capital gains tax discounts, as Lambie and Pocock noted yesterday.

No I didn't. If a builder can make enough profit building a new house and selling it for $100k, then it does not matter what else happens, he is going to keep building houses until he cannot sell them at that price.


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Please explain the $million prices for decade-old dumps in Sydney...

For some reason people like to gather together in a few overcrowded spots. It doesn't really affect house prices in the other 99.99% of the country. Live in Sydney if you want, but don't expect the taxpayer to pay your rent or buy you a house you cannot afford.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 4:20pm:

Got a game fish on the line.... predictable - reverts instantly to accusation that I somehow support the very thing I oppose so vehemently as part of the reduction of the populace under the despotism of the very central government dividie espouses to control everyone and everything and hand it about as they choose -

Talk about confused.....

I support government overseeing an economy which works for all.

You support the current vicious survival of the fittest free market system.

Spot the difference  - evil system versus good government..... not your ideology-based "despotic government". 


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The boy has simply no idea what True Revolution is and what is required .... SPLITTER!!

 

Good governance overseeing an economy which works for all, not just the most competitive - now that's  a True Revolution, in our vicious survival of the fittest 'invisible hand'  free market economy.   


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Only one of us can be right...... , I was right about 'gender' and 'lefty the mad' ...... the mad Lord Of The Flies rush by the kids has been halted in one review.... now to force Australia into that fold..... the bastards never give up....

I have defined the "revolution", can you be more specific - avoiding resort to gender issues (women have babies and take more time out of the workforce than men,  to rear them (on average).   

"there are many factors behing high house orices. "

Yeah - over-immigration ... too many competing ...calculated government policy to reduce the peasantry to desperation and thus subservience to the part time casual regimen of work .. ah, the good old swaggy days - "Cut some firewood for ya for a meal, missus?" .... policy aimed at self-enrichment for insiders and stuff everyone else ... divide and conquer along as many social fracture lines as possible.... race, ethnicity, colour, work, income level,  place of abode, status of job, superannuation scheme, size of home, ability to rort business taxes etc......

So many division - so little time...  BTW ... dividie ... what do YOU do for a living?  Wallow in the deep end of the benefits pool or suffer out there in the suburbs/slums like JaSin or Unsub?

I had a cousin - we don't speak any more though when we were young most thought us brother and sister.... her hubby was a contracted government fat cat and she was forced to labour in the public service and got all the perks of having a highly placed hubby as well as sheila perks that have ruined the joint - no room for hard workers and hard chargers....  "Oh - life if so difficult when you have two parents working in promotional positions!"  Sound like the boss lady of the RBA telling us life's easy ....

I come from the 'bad' side of the family - done more than all of them put together and done every hard yard you can imagine better than most .... missed every meal and pair of good shoes along the way until the Army gave me a good pair and fed me luxury corned beef ...... jeez - life can be tough for some, eh?  Fancy having to get by on two good incomes and hubby on a government 'contract' and forced to suck poo from political idiots you wouldn't piss on.....

Life just wasn't meant to be easy for some - clearly I missed my vocation.... should've learned grifting at an early age.

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 4:26pm:

Quote: You forgot demand inflation  reinforced by negative gearing and capital gains tax discounts, as Lambie and Pocock noted yesterday. No I didn't. If a builder can make enough profit building a new house and selling it for $100k, then it does not matter what else happens, he is going to keep building houses until he cannot sell them at that price.

Your errors:

1. no builder is building houses in Oz cities for sale at $100k.

2. inflation - cost of materials and labour is driving builders out of business.

The problem is prices of houses - new and established - everywhere in Oz have increased remarkably. As a matter of fact many buliders cannot make a profit even with sky-high houses prices, which is why many building companies are going bust.   


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For some reason people like to gather together in a few overcrowded spots. It doesn't really affect house prices in the other 99.99% of the country. Live in Sydney if you want, but don't expect the taxpayer to pay your rent or buy you a house you cannot afford.

Er.... you forgot Adelaide and Hobart where prices are also rising:

(google)

Are Adelaide house prices rising?
Adelaide was one of the least affected markets and is now seeing considerable growth and new record prices return. Is there more on the horizon? NAB's latest Adelaide house price forecast has values gaining a strong +6.4 per cent in 2024 with another +4.6 per cent to come in 2025.

No doubt courtesy of interstate rent-seekers/ investors....

negative gearing can be a legitimate business cost - however - when the entire aim of the business is to incur endless negative gearing, it is clearly not a business at all - bur a rort.

Therefore two things need to happen - it should be closely monitored and the ATO MUST spend its time looking at businesses first - THEN the government must take a serious look at REAL tax revision and stop playing with the edges as if they are important... things such as 'tax brackets' are simply managed by simple indexation.  All government do with that is look at how many are leaping into the highest tax bracket and buy them off with a 'tax cut' which is nothing of the sort but allows them to pay the same anyway - and maybe a little bit for the 'lesser beings' down the scales.

Remember Joe and Jo?  Joe earns $40 an hour and Jo $20 - inflation rises 5% - Joe gets a tax cut of $2 to match ... Jo gets $1 ... average is $3 - on average Jo loses out.

.. it's the poor what gets the blame....

Anyway (**pulls up evening rock along the Road To Gaga Strip) - then you get to look at the likes of 'developer' Slim Mehajer (slim customer) - who pulls the banks into multi-million loans for a 'development' - INSTANTLY starts sucking the cream off the top with his salaries and costs for self etc... pays his sister for administrative ... puts his father on the payroll as a freelance OH &S reviewer ....then proceeds to trim the size of (say) units shown 'off the drawing board', and then eventually - right at closing time for construction, suddenly finds self 'insolvent' with $50m in a Lebo bank (Greater Bank of Ali Baba & Coy), and unable to pay out contractors and is forced to go 'bankrupt' owing the banks millions that the peasants will pay for in fees and charges that the 'big boys' don't pay....!!

The contractors are then forced to raise prices across the board to make up for losses, the banks raise their fees and charges on the peasants and find new ways to rort them, the RBA raises interest rates after the peasants are sucked in... the 'government' laughs behind its hand and says "Oh - that's just business - it's tough out there!" while grabbing another investment opportunity ..... and up and up she goes....

Vertical Slum City - City Of The Future .... waiting for the earthquake.... then there is the option of Tent City - Here We Come..... got a Thirties something Chevy, and we call it a home .....

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 4:44pm:

Talk about confused..... I support government overseeing an economy which works for all. You support the current vicious survival of the fittest free market system.

:D :D :D


Are you REALLY, HONESTLY saying that Local, State and Federal governments are not actively present in every aspect of the economy, with a bewildering array of regulations and rules??

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Your errors: 1. no builder is building houses in Oz cities for sale at $100k.

That is not an error. I did not say they were. Try again.


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2. inflation - cost of materials and labour is driving builders out of business.

Do you think this contradicts what I posted in any way?

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 5:01pm:

Yeah - over-immigration ... too many competing ...calculated government policy to reduce the peasantry to desperation and thus subservience to the part time casual regimen of work ..

Correct: did I mention good government managing an economy which works for all - a revolution - not your vicious survival of the fittest free market economy?


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BTW ... dividie ... what do YOU do for a living?

I'm comfortably retired on a part pension, share dividends and bank interest; having built my own house mortgage free in a country town within driving distance of a city. (I was always terrified of the idea of a variable interest rate  mortgage on an expensive city mortgage, having seen people lose eveything in unemployment).      


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Life just wasn't meant to be easy for some - clearly I missed my vocation.... should've learned grifting at an early age.

There are many traps for 'young players'....in a vicious survival of the fittest/ dog eat dog world.

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 5:27pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24th, 2024 at 4:44pm: Talk about confused..... I support government overseeing an economy which works for all. You support the current vicious survival of the fittest free market system. :D :D :D Are you REALLY, HONESTLY saying that Local, State and Federal governments are not actively present in every aspect of the economy, with a bewildering array of regulations and rules??

No.  In fact I agree with Whitlam: the states shouldn't  exist at all - that's got rid of that useless tier of government - 8 governments in fact.

Did FD find a list of jobs available in Lappa yet?

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 5:27pm:

That is not an error. I did not say they were. Try again.

If builders can't pay materials and labour expenses, they can't make a profit. 


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Do you think this contradicts what I posted in any way?

Yes. Cost of living, and cost of wages,   is too high in Oz.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

Yes. Cost of living, and cost of wages

Bullshit. It's the record corporate profits that caused inflation, not wages. Wages have been struggling to play catch up for years.

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Yes. Cost of living, and cost of wages,   is too high in Oz.

Are you saying we get paid too much?