freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:56am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:51am: freediver wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:10am: In China, all power emerges from pieces of paper. The CCP is never responsible. You still hung up on "pieces of paper". Implementation of power is defined on "pieces of paper" in any legal system. The CCP is in power because a piece of paper says they are in power. Not because they are a bunch of communist thugs who killed tens of millions of Chinese people.

The CCP started in China in 1921. Between 1927 and 1949 they fought a civil war to try to take over China. This spanned WWII. The CCP, as well as several other parties, agreed to fight with the Chinese government during WWII, against the Japanese. However the CCP did bugger all to help the Chinese people fight the Japanese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_United_Front


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However, the Communists submission to the chain of command of the National Revolutionary Army was in name only. The Communists acted independently and hardly ever engaged the Japanese in conventional battles. The level of actual coordination between the CCP and KMT during the Second Sino-Japanese War was minimal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War

About 15 million Chinese people died in the civil war started by CCP. The CCP won under Mao in 1949. That's when the killing really began.

The CCP killed 1 to 2 million Chinese people during a campaign from 1957 to 1959 to get rid of other political parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Rightist_Campaign

However, the real enemy of the CCP was not other parties, but the Chinese people themselves. First came the Great Leap Forward and the Great Chinese Famine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

The CCP introduced forced labour and "struggle sessions", which got people to denounce friends and family as enemies of the state and collectively humiliate, beat and torture them. They banned private ownership of land, which destroyed the way of life for most peasant farmers. The farmers were then essentially forces into communal slave labour under CCP bureaucrats who did not know how to farm, but did know how force them to sleep in the fields to make them work harder.

Up to 55 million people died. 6 to 8% of them were tortured to death or executed. A lot of these people were the wealthier farmers and food merchants, or anyone who criticised what was going on. The rest mostly starved to death. A lot of Chinese people turned to cannibalism.

Eventually the CCP bureaucracy and their paperwork announcing big agricultural surpluses was unable to cover up the stench of millions of rotting corpses. Mao got a bit embarrassed and retreated from power for a while. He managed to lay blame on everyone else. Eventually he reclaimed power and made another attempt to do the same thing. They called this one the cultural revolution. This is where Mao's little red book came from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

1 to 2 million people died, and tens of millions were persecuted, including intellectuals, scientists, and the powerful political moderates who had kept China in relative peace while Mao was sulking. Mao encouraged breakaway factions to take the law into their own hands.  There was violence and Chaos across China, including several massacres.  There was more cannibalism, this time more a celebration of violence than a response to starvation. Schools and universities were closed.

During the famines and slaughters, the CCP managed to convince the Chinese people to feel sorry for the poor starving Americans. There was limited awareness of what was going on outside China.

Mao died in 1976. Reformists took over, but arguments over policy grew and eventually led to the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989. It is hard to tell how many people died, due to ongoing coverups.

During the 1990's there was a rapid transition towards capitalism, which the CCP is now attempting to stall or reverse. This resulted in a massive increase in wealth and living standards. However, the culture within the CCP has not really changed. They have learned that they can get away with literally anything. The Chinese people remain largely ignorant of how much wealthier westerners still are compared to them.

The covid outbreak started in late 2019 and early 2020. The travel season for Chinese new year starts mid January and lasts for about 40 days. It is obviously the worst possible thing you can do at the start of a new pandemic. Rather than try to halt the spread of the virus, the CCP covered it up, which meant travel continued as normal, which helped the virus spread and pushed up the death toll. Around 7 million people died worldwide. This number relies heavily on government estimates - the CCP still insists that less than 0.1 million people died in China.

After initially covering up the virus, the CCP did a dramatic backflip and introduced some of the strictest lockdowns in the world. This included welding the doors of apartment buildings shut to stop people getting out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China

The 1982 constitution guarantees freedom of speech. Despite this, the CCP often uses the "subversion of state power" and "protection of state secrets" clauses in their law system to imprison those who criticize the government. Another crime used to jail critics such as Sun Dawu is "picking quarrels and provoking trouble."

References to certain controversial events and political movements, as well as access to web pages considered by the PRC authorities to be "dangerous" or "threatening to state security", are blocked on the internet in the PRC; and content disputed by or critical of PRC authorities is absent from many publications, and subject to the control of the CCP within mainland China. Laws in the People's Republic of China forbid the advocacy of separation of any part of its claimed territory from mainland China, or public challenge to the CCP's domination of the government of China.

The 2020 World Press Freedom Index, compiled by Reporters Without Borders (RSF), shows that China is the world's biggest jailer of journalists.

More than sixty Internet regulations exist in mainland China and serve to monitor and control internet publication. Amnesty International notes that China "has the largest recorded number of imprisoned journalists and cyber-dissidents in the world". As an example of the censorship, in 2013, 24 years after the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre, online searches for the term 'Tiananmen Square' were still censored by Chinese authorities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_China

China censors both the publishing and viewing of online material. Many controversial events are censored from news coverage, preventing many Chinese citizens from knowing about the actions of their government, and severely restricting freedom of the press. China's censorship includes the complete blockage of various websites, apps, video games, inspiring the policy's nickname, the "Great Firewall of China", which blocks websites. Methods used to block websites and pages include DNS spoofing, blocking access to IP addresses, analyzing and filtering URLs, packet inspection, and resetting connections.

The government blocks website content and monitors Internet access. As required by the government, major Internet platforms in China have established elaborate self-censorship mechanisms as well as implementing a real-name system.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 1:56pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:56am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:51am: freediver wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:10am: In China, all power emerges from pieces of paper. The CCP is never responsible. You still hung up on "pieces of paper". Implementation of power is defined on "pieces of paper" in any legal system. The CCP is in power because a piece of paper says they are in power. Not because they are a bunch of communist thugs who killed tens of millions of Chinese people. Wrong again.  The CCP is in power because they fought a civil with capitalist goons, and won.

Can you explain why they ramped up the killing of Chinese people after they won that war?

Mao told us where CCP authority is derived: from the barrel of a gun.

Mao once said "More of us where we come from fookkas!"  ;D ;D
The population of the Han gene pool went on to touch 1 billion.

Mao won government in 1949, 1950, 1951..1975,1976, 1977, 2023, 2024. He beat Marcos in the Philippines and Modi in India. If the sun rises, then it's Mao.(Mao the capitalist).

Now the CCP are trying to protect the Nationals in Taiwan from being invaded by the Democratic Lefties of Trans and Homosexual narratives. Nationals in Taiwan fear that men will dress like women and women will wear strap-ons.

...what the American Media also refused to say about its liberation of Taiwan from the CCP is that Taiwan considers the 'mainland' as part of its National 'China'.  ;)

Biden was going to use the old 'weapons of mass destruction' next after that propaganda lie stunt.  ;)

Biden's a liar. China is expected to have only 1,000 nukes by 2030 and just 1,500 warheads by 2035. You couldn't notice any damage if Mao used them all.

The whole Biden/Democrat (mainstream Media) is a huge lie!

What do you do with the likes of the CCP when you're alternative is just as evil and false in the USA??

You Trump it.

chimera wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 6:28pm:

You Trump it.

8-) 8-) 8-)

Jasin wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 6:26pm:

just as evil and false in the USA??

:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8-) :-? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-/ :-*
:'(

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 9:37am:

freediver wrote on Apr 3rd, 2024 at 1:04pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 3rd, 2024 at 11:45am: Frank wrote on Apr 2nd, 2024 at 5:42pm: And what is the price of expressing dissatisfaction with the CCP? And what is the price  of living in a delusional  "natural individuals rights" world? Would you like to give a straight answer to Frank's question? Same as the price of contesting the actions of all security spook agencies in any country: severe.  It does depend of the nature of "expressig dissatifaction"; calls for the overthroel of the government are treason in any nation.

There is a wide gulf between expressing dissatisfaction with the government and trying to overthrow it. What if someone were just to repeatedly complain to a large audience about the 100 million deaths the CCP has caused, or their handling of covid?

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 17^th, 2024 at 10:23am:

Quote: You expect people to trust the CCP No I don't,

Did you actually mean that?

thegreatdivide wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 3:02pm:

Quote: They were slaughtering them for decades before they started starving them to death. They slaughtered 'capitalist pigs', not converts to the revolutionary cause. The starvation resulted from ill-founded policy choices and bad weather. [quote]Not because they were under attack.

'Capitalist pigs' - and blind ideologues like you  - ARE an attack on the revolution. [/quote]

So you have no problem with the 20 million Chinese people the CCP deliberately slaughtered so they could wield enough power to starve another 50 million of them to death before realising capitalism isn't so bad after all.

And you justify that by saying they were all capitalist pigs?

'Then where does the past exist, if at all?'

'In records. It is written down.'

'In records. And----?'

'In the mind. In human memories.'

'In memory. Very well, then. We, the Party, control all records, and we
control all memories. Then we control the past, do we not?'

'But how can you stop people remembering things?' cried Winston again
momentarily forgetting the dial. 'It is involuntary. It is outside oneself.
How can you control memory? You have not controlled mine!'

O'Brien's manner grew stern again. He laid his hand on the dial.

'On the contrary,' he said, 'YOU have not controlled it. That is what has
brought you here. You are here because you have failed in humility, in
self-discipline. You would not make the act of submission which is the
price of sanity. You preferred to be a lunatic, a minority of one. Only the
disciplined mind can see reality, Winston. You believe that reality is
something objective, external, existing in its own right. You also believe
that the nature of reality is self-evident. When you delude yourself into
thinking that you see something, you assume that everyone else sees the
same thing as you. But I tell you, Winston, that reality is not external.
Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else. Not in the individual
mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes: only in the
mind of the Party, which is collective and immortal. Whatever the Party
holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by
looking through the eyes of the Party. That is the fact that you have got
to relearn, Winston. It needs an act of self-destruction, an effort of the
will. You must humble yourself before you can become sane.'