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Message started by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Mar 21st, 2024 at 11:58pm

Title: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Mar 21st, 2024 at 11:58pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/traditional-owners-seek-protection-for-jabiluka-cultural-heritage/ar-BB1kgXf4?cvid=8e3924b8683a4912f03450b31093c1e6&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=16&sc=shoreline

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 9th, 2024 at 6:38pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/humane-treatment-of-youth-at-unit-18-not-possible-inquest-into-cleveland-dodd-s-death-hears/ar-BB1ljoxE?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=4b93fdfa8af148bef43dea0c5b675cd4&ei=21&sc=shoreline

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 15th, 2024 at 4:00pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/community-leaders-at-harsts-bluff-meet-to-sign-new-agreement-with-government/vi-BB1lCQIZ?cvid=be2ae75cb79a40eaaaff81a3916699a8&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=11&sc=shoreline

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 16th, 2024 at 6:45pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/alice-springs-readies-for-first-night-without-curfew/ar-BB1lFP6T?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=5e5c51f8273a480890dd484f1f2fd020&ei=17&sc=shoreline

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:00pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/government-praises-alice-springs-curfew-for-reducing-crime/vi-BB1lGecD?cvid=2791dd6d64a94de1dd9bae8287a6bdc7&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=11&sc=shoreline


Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 19th, 2024 at 7:56pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/violence-epidemic-of-first-nations-women-and-children-in-the-spotlight-of-senate-inquiry-held-in-darwin/vi-AA1nh91A?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=560fd85e042e48bd97026d203e092d53&ei=11&sc=shoreline

Finally - the realities of 'relationship violence' are starting to come out - and those actually primarily responsible are being singled out, as opposed to the ongoing assault on all men by the beta males such as Carr and Albo in 'government' - the only place such dorks could ever prosper.

Gotta change men's attitudes against women - says Albo - how about 'gotta change Abos attitudes towards women and children', Albo?  You dork...

Can't let  go of mummy's ridiculous feminist narrative, can you - all men are evil  ... except you, of course, mr suck-hole.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 29th, 2024 at 11:37pm
Ever notice how the important things come out late at night or on weekends/long weekends, especially Sunday nights?  The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

It's in my CV - I used to monitor media - the wahless.... guess you forgot.... now when I want to go to bed it all starts up..... by morning it will be all buried.....  Albo's pit stop at the Alice will be a triumphal march where he met all the major stakeholders and brokered a peace settlement forever ... then the razor wire will come down and all hell will break loose again....

Albo - if it helps - We're Sorry! for the kids at school calling you half-WOG and stealing your lunch money.... but how long do you want to hold on to it?  FFS - get help.... and get help to your Abo whingers too... as well as providing help to those in genuine need and not just psychiatric help with their victim mentality and persecution complexes... though I'd guess anyone who lives in such a 'community' would have a persecution complex 24/7 along with PTSD and permanent wakefulness and fear of sleeping ...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/where-is-the-money-being-spent-jacinta-price-calling-for-answers-into-alice-springs-funding/ar-AA1nPyBK?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=e36bcb6e05984805b248608524c73f61&ei=8&sc=shoreline

Right on it, chief!

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/australia-has-got-to-fix-underlying-youth-crime-issues-in-alice-springs/ar-AA1nPosw?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=3ec6f63f1e4f44defe259ae8d39cee84&ei=15&sc=shoreline

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 30th, 2024 at 1:31pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/pm-anthony-albanese-visits-alice-springs-for-first-time-since-youth-curfew/vi-AA1nTpzv?cvid=84e53a97fe464fabb3858691c1bbddf9&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=11&sc=shoreline

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/alice-springs-curfew-won-t-work-in-every-town-pm-warns/ar-AA1nT3px?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=b3c4355dc50743fafe1b77ff65d2ce56&ei=5&sc=shoreline

Albo warns curfew won't work in every town...... hmmmm ... seems to me that locking out the troublemakers will work in every town...... but let's not be wacist here.... I'm sick of being forthright, gracious and magnanimous and nothing ever changing....

How long, ya reckon, before The Alice collapses into near riot again once the gates are opened? Dr Idiot has arrived to lay down his orders - he rules the country you know  - said so at a violence rally.... he decides who does what in this country!!! Who stays and who stays even if they on deportation - no exceptions for major criminals!!!! Who can come in here on a plane and rip off NDIS and childcare and who won't get a gig here because they dared to arrive on a leaky boat!! Who gets what access to what piece of Enclosed Land for the Lords who are the only ones who get a vote or even discussion on it!!!

He'll show 'em who's boss!!!

.... sorry the big kids stole your lunch money, Albo - but it's time to let go of mummy feminist's skirts.... Abos, Queers, Sheilas - have no more rights to anything than anyone else!!  Got it??

Now then - about that concentration of the majority of working women in low paid jobs and far too high a proportion in the astronomically paid jobs creating yet another massive social and economic divide in this country..... how about we take some from the fat cats and give it to those down the bottom?  then extend that reasoning to everyone equally, eh?

Let's try again - women currently receive - per hour worked on average, 7-10% MORE per hour actually worked than men do.... women are concentrated in the lower paid jobs (so the mantra goes - try it here where there are no jobs other than retail and care) ... yet women actually cop more per hour!!!  So that means that too many women are in the overpaid jobs and the majority are left out in the cold to go - like too many men - part-time casual and temporary on demand.

So your policy of force feeding women into the top slots has failed the majority of women (men, women and children for generations to come we all know that YOUR lot will be rich generationally for your 'service' to the country) and guaranteed generational social and economic divides again with most of the benefits going to the already well-heeled ... again... and again just like affirmative action long ago ... been telling yez that 'feminism' doesn't work for most women at all... just for the hungry gutted selfish few with an amazing sense of Entitlement™ ... and if you want to play Social Science Rules - get your figures right first and THINK!

There's a phrase for that in English - GFY!!

No wonder you lot support cutting kids' nuts off and ovaries out .... you want them to behave like you do and fall in line!!!  Oh - it 'feels' right ..... FFS.

Close down the 'clinics'!!!  NOW!!  Leave the kids alone!!

So many issues - so little time.... I have books to write....


Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 30th, 2024 at 3:51pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/nt-independent-mp-raises-questions-over-funding-for-alice-springs/ar-AA1nTQoz?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=e8746dcc47fa49b98b8afb28dd64a544&ei=5&sc=shoreline

Another one joins the outcry ... we all know where the money is..... wink, wink... nudge, nudge ...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 2nd, 2024 at 8:07pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/tangentyere-council-facing-backlash-over-ceo-s-absence-in-community-matters/ar-AA1o09fN?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=953c82e1816f40038f223e45e61ebce8&ei=14&sc=shoreline

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 2nd, 2024 at 8:10pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/zachary-rolfe-forced-to-hand-over-notes-used-in-evidence-during-kumanjayi-walker-coronial-inquest/ar-AA1o0Iao?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=862f9a95bb534be9a9189f990f60ea9c&ei=26&sc=shoreline

He fought with a weapon - he lost... never bring a pair of scissors to a gunfight.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 3rd, 2024 at 9:57am
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/roadmap-for-alice-springs-to-reach-50-renewables-by-2030/vi-AA1nylYq?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=0b794d161a614ca5d48fd445219eb876&ei=8&sc=shoreline#details

Here be chance to demand all profits from renewables on 'their' land under 'treaty ..... free money again...

Damn - Gazarassic Park is sounding good...  Two States Solution .... that's the ticket!!

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 3rd, 2024 at 4:55pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/the-nt-s-major-parties-roll-out-election-promises-for-new-women-s-prisons-in-face-of-rising-incarceration-rates/ar-AA1o4ilr?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=4e899d65ab554d8a985c182ef3456952&ei=19&sc=shoreline

Hmmm - three laws now - one for the master - one for the knave - and one for the little black person who just lives to rave .......

This will never end well.............



Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 3rd, 2024 at 7:14pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/houses-destroyed-six-people-arrested-following-violent-unrest-in-nt-remote-community-of-daly-river/ar-AA1o4NxB?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=fa0b56529b454a09c13998c238216375&ei=12&sc=shoreline

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 6th, 2024 at 6:57pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/northern-territory-political-election-begins-with-big-spending-promises-by-both-major-parties/vi-AA1o4bWS?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=32b40f9eba934426b05fbac9e6b62acf&ei=5&sc=shoreline#details

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 8th, 2024 at 8:34pm
... and now the dogs turn inwards on themselves... begin to devour one another....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/commonwealth-ruled-criminally-responsible-for-site-damage/vi-BB1m1rmm?cvid=edb04f05c50b47dbc8e5d194704d0e9e&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=11&sc=shoreline

'sacred site'..... here we go again...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 8th, 2024 at 11:40pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/daly-river-residents-call-for-end-to-gang-violence/ar-BB1m0ARl?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=b958b49af08b4f1f8fd37b89dbc0131f&ei=39&sc=shoreline

Usual Suspects at work.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 10th, 2024 at 8:49pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/youth-hubs-scrapped-in-alice-springs-amid-claims-they-aren-t-hitting-the-mark/vi-BB1m7ECz?cvid=d98f1ab17334484b86af1e1e2cd7fe75&ocid=winp2shoreline&ei=7#details

On another roll in the Daily Grinder:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/allegations-as-controversial-land-clearing-stops/ar-BB1m8rRd?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=52c8560013c3457dc9c001ce58bff9aa&ei=9&sc=shoreline

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 15th, 2024 at 9:32am
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/budget-to-keep-territorians-safe/ar-BB1mlMHe?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=912e424f89da4b58a9d0705b2d1ab43b&ei=9&sc=shoreline

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 15th, 2024 at 5:02pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/new-nt-curfew-laws-in-a-bid-to-improve-community-safety/ar-BB1mprPy?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=a888e126c5284b00f278c338b29067b2&ei=12&sc=shoreline

And so it begins.... the ghettoing of one group....

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 21st, 2024 at 10:48am
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/domestic-violence-inquest-hears-of-increased-nt-police-response-times-fresh-racism-allegations/ar-BB1mHMpV?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=1725df061c014dc1fcb64c62bf48f5e5&ei=8&sc=shoreline#comments

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 22nd, 2024 at 2:44pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 10:48am:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/domestic-violence-inquest-hears-of-increased-nt-police-response-times-fresh-racism-allegations/ar-BB1mHMpV?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=1725df061c014dc1fcb64c62bf48f5e5&ei=8&sc=shoreline#comments



https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-coroner-nearing-the-end-of-domestic-violence-inquiry/vi-BB1mOqqZ?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=7ee1b8b7dc1a4311d36338b645660776&ei=6&sc=shoreline

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 22nd, 2024 at 4:28pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/fears-new-nt-curfew-laws-will-target-indigenous-people/ar-BB1mLzt3?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=81fd43e2f2d242bcd0b9804eef9b5204&ei=13&sc=shoreline

**coughs**

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 22nd, 2024 at 4:53pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/indigenous-leaders-say-causes-of-crime-not-addressed/vi-BB1mKp9A?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=690a1d04daad4c90df7685116731f594&ei=6&sc=shoreline#details

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-parliament-considering-a-new-legislation-around-snap-curfews/vi-BB1mLEHk?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=3c89ab1f05ee4fa2d101356a9d850ced&ei=17&sc=shoreline#details

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/kimberley-early-intervention-youth-program-for-at-risk-boys-faces-demise-due-to-lack-of-steady-funding/vi-BB1mGZyQ?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=4621d778dcbe4eb0860279378ac4555c&ei=6&sc=shoreline#details

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 25th, 2024 at 6:34am
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/controversial-new-curfew-laws-have-passed-nt-parliament-here-s-what-you-need-to-know/vi-BB1mO7El?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=a8a83b2c8c39498e8f2164f6d822c118&ei=8&sc=shoreline#details

Here we go - August election - talking tough.  An election is sure to stimulate some life into politicians.

25/05/2024  https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-stolen-generations-descendants-say-50m-class-action-payment-delays-adding-to-trauma/vi-BB1mX2ME?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=3c7d43361da94042ba7fc81f18e02fd1&ei=8&sc=shoreline#details

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 30th, 2024 at 8:19am
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/parks-australia-to-plead-guilty-over-alleged-sacred-site-damage-at-kakadu-s-gunlom-falls/ar-BB1ne72K?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=db02928f14ef43f08dfac72a42fc94c4&ei=18&sc=shoreline

"Parks Australia has announced it will plead guilty in criminal proceedings alleging it violated a sacred site in Kakadu National Park during construction work, following a landmark High Court decision earlier this month.

Traditional owners and the Aboriginal Areas Protection Authority (AAPA) have been locked in a long-running court case with Parks Australia centred on alleged damage to a sacred men's site at Gunlom Falls during the construction of a new walking track in 2019."


Commentary:-  Dat Wharte Man's Walking Track fo 'acces to National Park and dat idea of dis bein' 'secred site'... dat not gu'mint by religion, ay?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 30th, 2024 at 8:23am
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/no-government-funded-psychologists-in-far-north-western-australia/vi-BB1nbf1R?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=0cd6ed580a074b04827a9b1e2adc8cd8&ei=15&sc=shoreline#details

They need a bevy of psychologists up there?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 4th, 2024 at 9:00am
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/remote-aboriginal-communities-to-be-consulted-over-alcohol-bans-developing-social-clubs/ar-BB1nyOnK?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=7cb837feea2142c7b1d55b0e1d046711&ei=9&sc=shoreline

Hey, moth - sad sack ..... why consult them?  Just turn 'em loose.... 76 out of 81 women can't be wrong....

Now don't let your outrage get to you ... I'm just warning you and keeping your eyes on the ball ..... 76 out of 81 .......... 93% ...... and you make all kinds of outlandish claims..... where DO you get your information?

Of COURSE woman killing is no worse in Aboriginal communities - it's FAR worse... 76 out of 81 .... 93% ... you're never going to live that one down...... it's even worse than your 61-39 voice loss that set off the voice by stealth - the theft of the Australian people's right to say Yay or Nay. 

Well - you drink it .... the rest won't ..... but that won't stop your delusions .....

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:02pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/barramundi-fishers-accused-of-gill-netting-in-arnhem-bay-waters-closed-by-traditional-owners/vi-BB1nA8Nr?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=5b578b5dcfdd410df9a36648b84097c4&ei=40&sc=shoreline#details

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 5th, 2024 at 6:43pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/traditional-owners-welcome-protection-against-mining/ar-BB1nEqyw?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=d032f4ea04bb47ecfd93f12735ff72da&ei=8&sc=shoreline

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 5th, 2024 at 11:53pm
Dang - another ABC one - my paymasters must be seething - where's methie and Skanka?  Can't be seen fact checking the source of links to reality, eh?  Why bother when it's easier to slag off at a gentleman, a scholar, and a fine judge of womanflesh and of good whiskey?

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/government-rolls-out-alcohol-management-plan-for-nt-communities/vi-BB1nDr3b?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=be75fc0e0f094126f50d61b7d3145e60&ei=24&sc=shoreline#details

Bloody ABC..... right wing bastards ...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 8th, 2024 at 2:40pm
Business as usual:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/senator-lidia-thorpe-questions-nlc-over-alleged-covid-funding-misappropriation/ar-BB1nQ08R?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=8a79af69599b4529cb63b0996e52245d&ei=6&sc=shoreline

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 10th, 2024 at 12:35pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/travel/news/push-to-reignite-uluru-tourism-after-downturn/ar-BB1nUSDc?cvid=1b38a05545ad41acbc60cc23b440a041&ocid=winp2shoreline&ei=8

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 11th, 2024 at 11:09am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10th, 2024 at 12:35pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/travel/news/push-to-reignite-uluru-tourism-after-downturn/ar-BB1nUSDc?cvid=1b38a05545ad41acbc60cc23b440a041&ocid=winp2shoreline&ei=8


You're going to have to explain how a push to increase tourism to Uluru is "Lawfare".

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Valkie on Jun 11th, 2024 at 5:17pm
Who would bother going to Ayres rock these days?

Murdering natives on the rampage,
Can't even walk on the damn rock
NPWS charging like there is no tomorrow to even get a glimpse of the damn rock.
And nothing else worth seeing if you don't like watching out of control delinquents causing mayhem.

It's off my list of places to visit.

They should just excavate it and use it for road base.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 13th, 2024 at 12:46am
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/failures-of-multiple-nt-agencies-contributed-to-death-in-custody-of-mr-dooley-coroner-hears/ar-BB1o48PB?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=e6d21534386f4642ff8ef1325ae42d57&ei=7&sc=shoreline

Heart attack - died of Macca's Overdose.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 13th, 2024 at 7:05am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 11th, 2024 at 11:09am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10th, 2024 at 12:35pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/travel/news/push-to-reignite-uluru-tourism-after-downturn/ar-BB1nUSDc?cvid=1b38a05545ad41acbc60cc23b440a041&ocid=winp2shoreline&ei=8


You're going to have to explain how a push to increase tourism to Uluru is "Lawfare".


So just silence?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 13th, 2024 at 7:07am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 12:46am:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/failures-of-multiple-nt-agencies-contributed-to-death-in-custody-of-mr-dooley-coroner-hears/ar-BB1o48PB?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=e6d21534386f4642ff8ef1325ae42d57&ei=7&sc=shoreline

Heart attack - died of Macca's Overdose.


Or,


Quote:
The NT coroner has found the death of 37-year-old Aboriginal man Mr Dooley, who died in police custody in 2022, was avoidable and occurred after a series of oversights in his care.


Would also help if you could elaborate on how this is "Lawfare" too.

Seems like you're going for quantity over quality and just reposting new articles that mention Indigenous Australians but have nothing to do with your claims about the voice by stealth.

As dishonest as always.  Your obsession has exceeded unhealthy long ago.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by mothra on Jun 13th, 2024 at 7:27am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 7:07am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 12:46am:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/failures-of-multiple-nt-agencies-contributed-to-death-in-custody-of-mr-dooley-coroner-hears/ar-BB1o48PB?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=e6d21534386f4642ff8ef1325ae42d57&ei=7&sc=shoreline

Heart attack - died of Macca's Overdose.


Or,


Quote:
The NT coroner has found the death of 37-year-old Aboriginal man Mr Dooley, who died in police custody in 2022, was avoidable and occurred after a series of oversights in his care.


Would also help if you could elaborate on how this is "Lawfare" too.

Seems like you're going for quantity over quality and just reposting new articles that mention Indigenous Australians but have nothing to do with your claims about the voice by stealth.

As dishonest as always.  Your obsession has exceeded unhealthy long ago.


Crappler is completely off with the pixies. Long evidenced.

What is more alarming is the fact that his lunatic ravings are supported on here ... on the few rare occasions anyone bothers to challenge anything he says.

Honestly, he's mostly ignored.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 13th, 2024 at 8:48am
Life in the old mothra yet ..... every time we think she's just faded away - back she comes in all her glory ...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 13th, 2024 at 8:53am

mothra wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 7:27am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 7:07am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 12:46am:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/failures-of-multiple-nt-agencies-contributed-to-death-in-custody-of-mr-dooley-coroner-hears/ar-BB1o48PB?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=e6d21534386f4642ff8ef1325ae42d57&ei=7&sc=shoreline

Heart attack - died of Macca's Overdose.


Or,


Quote:
The NT coroner has found the death of 37-year-old Aboriginal man Mr Dooley, who died in police custody in 2022, was avoidable and occurred after a series of oversights in his care.


Would also help if you could elaborate on how this is "Lawfare" too.

Seems like you're going for quantity over quality and just reposting new articles that mention Indigenous Australians but have nothing to do with your claims about the voice by stealth.

As dishonest as always.  Your obsession has exceeded unhealthy long ago.


Crappler is completely off with the pixies. Long evidenced.

What is more alarming is the fact that his lunatic ravings are supported on here ... on the few rare occasions anyone bothers to challenge anything he says.

Honestly, he's mostly ignored.


The fear ... the fear ..... the fear you exude of one who knows h/she cannot win on reality but can only rely on hyperbole and ranting....

He died of a heart attack while in custody - most people do not understand that at that age it is quite possible for an Aborigine bloke to die of a 'silent' heart attack.  I had an Abo mate who did - sat down on a park bench, saying he'd have a little rest and quietly passed away and went cold.

It's a generational lifestyle thing and diet  mostly - too much meat and not enough of the other stuff.

Try harder, methra..... we've got Lefty's address, photograph and picture.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 13th, 2024 at 8:57am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 7:05am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 11th, 2024 at 11:09am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10th, 2024 at 12:35pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/travel/news/push-to-reignite-uluru-tourism-after-downturn/ar-BB1nUSDc?cvid=1b38a05545ad41acbc60cc23b440a041&ocid=winp2shoreline&ei=8


You're going to have to explain how a push to increase tourism to Uluru is "Lawfare".


So just silence?


Very just...  it's lawfare in attempting to prop up the failed MANDATED dispossession using the same now shown to be ax failure apparatus of imposing on the majority to suit the minority.  Of course, that's beyond you... institutionalised lawfare remains what it is and it's not even 'unconscious'.

As a human being - I sleep sometimes!  Surprise, eh?  Not only that .......................... but I have a life to lead..... how are you doing?  Mothra spends her days shoring up her weak surrender documents to her locals..... keeping her security doors etc tight.... she made peace with those warring on her, you see.... what about you and all your spare time?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 13th, 2024 at 9:16am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 8:57am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 7:05am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 11th, 2024 at 11:09am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10th, 2024 at 12:35pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/travel/news/push-to-reignite-uluru-tourism-after-downturn/ar-BB1nUSDc?cvid=1b38a05545ad41acbc60cc23b440a041&ocid=winp2shoreline&ei=8


You're going to have to explain how a push to increase tourism to Uluru is "Lawfare".


So just silence?


Very just...  it's lawfare in attempting to prop up the failed MANDATED dispossession using the same now shown to be ax failure apparatus of imposing on the majority to suit the minority.  Of course, that's beyond you... institutionalised lawfare remains what it is and it's not even 'unconscious'.


Haha that's a stretch, and after thought at best...


Quote:
As a human being - I sleep sometimes!  Surprise, eh?  Not only that .......................... but I have a life to lead.....


Of course, but you've made 25 posts since 9:30 last night and I'm sure 100s more since I asked the question.  You were just too scared to respond to this one, ignoring it to post yet another story that has nothing to do with your Lawfare hallucination. 

But you were too busy leading your life, sure...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by mothra on Jun 13th, 2024 at 9:22am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 8:53am:

mothra wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 7:27am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 7:07am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 12:46am:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/failures-of-multiple-nt-agencies-contributed-to-death-in-custody-of-mr-dooley-coroner-hears/ar-BB1o48PB?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=e6d21534386f4642ff8ef1325ae42d57&ei=7&sc=shoreline

Heart attack - died of Macca's Overdose.


Or,


Quote:
The NT coroner has found the death of 37-year-old Aboriginal man Mr Dooley, who died in police custody in 2022, was avoidable and occurred after a series of oversights in his care.


Would also help if you could elaborate on how this is "Lawfare" too.

Seems like you're going for quantity over quality and just reposting new articles that mention Indigenous Australians but have nothing to do with your claims about the voice by stealth.

As dishonest as always.  Your obsession has exceeded unhealthy long ago.


Crappler is completely off with the pixies. Long evidenced.

What is more alarming is the fact that his lunatic ravings are supported on here ... on the few rare occasions anyone bothers to challenge anything he says.

Honestly, he's mostly ignored.


The fear ... the fear ..... the fear you exude of one who knows h/she cannot win on reality but can only rely on hyperbole and ranting....

He died of a heart attack while in custody - most people do not understand that at that age it is quite possible for an Aborigine bloke to die of a 'silent' heart attack.  I had an Abo mate who did - sat down on a park bench, saying he'd have a little rest and quietly passed away and went cold.

It's a generational lifestyle thing and diet  mostly - too much meat and not enough of the other stuff.

Try harder, methra..... we've got Lefty's address, photograph and picture.



What the?!

Surely you must know you're unwell?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 13th, 2024 at 9:24am

mothra wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 9:22am:
What the?!

Surely you must know you're unwell?


I didn't realise it was as bad as it is.

Many people have so little in their lives that they adopt these sort of battles as part of their personality, but he's taken it much further.

Again, if he wasn't such black hearted filth I'd almost feel sorry for him.

The inevitable conclusion will be he dies lonely and alone, without anyone remembering who he was.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 13th, 2024 at 10:13pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 9:16am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 8:57am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 7:05am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 11th, 2024 at 11:09am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10th, 2024 at 12:35pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/travel/news/push-to-reignite-uluru-tourism-after-downturn/ar-BB1nUSDc?cvid=1b38a05545ad41acbc60cc23b440a041&ocid=winp2shoreline&ei=8


You're going to have to explain how a push to increase tourism to Uluru is "Lawfare".


So just silence?


Very just...  it's lawfare in attempting to prop up the failed MANDATED dispossession using the same now shown to be ax failure apparatus of imposing on the majority to suit the minority.  Of course, that's beyond you... institutionalised lawfare remains what it is and it's not even 'unconscious'.


Haha that's a stretch, and after thought at best...


Quote:
As a human being - I sleep sometimes!  Surprise, eh?  Not only that .......................... but I have a life to lead.....


Of course, but you've made 25 posts since 9:30 last night and I'm sure 100s more since I asked the question.  You were just too scared to respond to this one, ignoring it to post yet another story that has nothing to do with your Lawfare hallucination. 

But you were too busy leading your life, sure...


Most of them's links for you to study and DISCUSS - but you lot don't possess the balls to discuss - you prefer to try to slag off at the innocent poster of the news....

Gets better by the day, though - look at that guy who said his 'tribes' needed to go through that Wharte couple's recorded papers to 'synthesise' their own culture and history....  I'm pretty sure I remember my culture and rough history without books to show me...

Does this mean they also willingly accept the synthesis of cannibalism based on written reports? 

You can do far better, Sacka... even if you are living in WA's Sowghetto (equivalent of the Warsaw Ghetto now) surrounded by yellow claimed land and actually on part of that.... the fun is just beginning for you .... just brilliant your Labor government there creating an absolute monster for the next government to try to field..... or even themselves in the unlikely situation they are voted back in ..... even better to watch.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 14th, 2024 at 1:31pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/federal-nt-governments-attempting-to-retrieve-almost-2-7m-in-unspent-funds-from-nt-legal-aid-service-naaja/ar-BB1o8fK5?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=3d1f8e474d794d3bcdc4f344056bbd19&ei=21&sc=shoreline

Buggar - that's ABC News - I'll have to retract it in case it upsets people here who delude about 'Sky News' under the bed ........ might tip their views towards a little balance... can't possibly have that...   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Done every turn you lot - maybe you should try something other than poker, Ike..... maybe fair discussion's just not your game...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 14th, 2024 at 2:10pm
At least you've finally posted something related to the law, but this is a good thing.

I don't know why you're complaining as if you lost again?

Slow day?

Empty life?

Need a thrill?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 14th, 2024 at 2:44pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 2:10pm:
At least you've finally posted something related to the law, but this is a good thing.

I don't know why you're complaining as if you lost again?

Slow day?

Empty life?

Need a thrill?


Told you so - voice by stealth now owns Sowghetto Perth Region... told yez so.... you'll soon learn...

Every move of a voice by stealth is lawfare.... jes' standin' on me rights!!  Oh?  ... and what 'rights' were those' that you are now refusing to anyone else?

The price of liberty from Black Supremacism by a tiny minority is eternal vigilance... you'll learn, honkey... you think you're somehow exempt - you were on their 'side', right?  So why are they dispossessing you now?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 14th, 2024 at 5:21pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 2:44pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 2:10pm:
At least you've finally posted something related to the law, but this is a good thing.

I don't know why you're complaining as if you lost again?

Slow day?

Empty life?

Need a thrill?


Told you so - voice by stealth now owns Sowghetto Perth Region... told yez so.... you'll soon learn...

Every move of a voice by stealth is lawfare....


Honestly, how dumb are you?

How is clawing back unused funds for legal defence the voice by stealth?

Like seriously, please explain.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 14th, 2024 at 5:31pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 5:21pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 2:44pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 2:10pm:
At least you've finally posted something related to the law, but this is a good thing.

I don't know why you're complaining as if you lost again?


Slow day?

Empty life?

Need a thrill?


Told you so - voice by stealth now owns Sowghetto Perth Region... told yez so.... you'll soon learn...

Every move of a voice by stealth is lawfare....


Honestly, how dumb are you?

How is clawing back unused funds for legal defence the voice by stealth?

Like seriously, please explain.


Mothra?

Honestly, how dumb are you?

How does clawing back unused funds for legal defence get involved as part of poor suffering Sowghetto Perth?  Two separate issues within a greater issue... easy as pie. What DO you use for brains, boy?  Like seriously, please explain?  Why is it so hard to transfer back the funds following misuse?  Not lawfare?  You are dense.

Now then - what about that aged facility and the Usual Suspect way of handling funds and job handouts and such 'out there'?  That's three separate issues that are part of the single greater issue - this lemming rush to hand over ..... all done by faceless bureaucrats against the vote of the people.

Something wrong with you, boy?  Jeez I hope you live in Sowghetto, the former Perth Region....

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 14th, 2024 at 7:41pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 5:31pm:
Mothra?

Honestly, how dumb are you?

How does clawing back unused funds for legal defence get involved as part of poor suffering Sowghetto Perth?  Two separate issues within a greater issue... easy as pie. What DO you use for brains, boy?  Like seriously, please explain?  Why is it so hard to transfer back the funds following misuse?  Not lawfare?  You are dense.


You posted a link to a story about the Federal and NT Governments trying to recoup unspent money earmarked for the legal defence of Indigenous people.

You've posted that in your sill NT Lawfare thread, which is all about, according to you, trying to use the law to bypass the results of the Referendum and implement The Voice by stealth.

I'm asking you, in what world is this story an example of that!?

If anything you should be applauding it because they're taking money away from Indigenous Australians.

What gives?

You're now just having a sook for the sake of having a sook.

Nobody but you mentioned any reference to Perth.

You're changing the goalposts so much you're arguing with yourself now.


Quote:
Now then - what about that aged facility and the Usual Suspect way of handling funds and job handouts and such 'out there'?  That's three separate issues that are part of the single greater issue - this lemming rush to hand over ..... all done by faceless bureaucrats against the vote of the people.

Something wrong with you, boy?  Jeez I hope you live in Sowghetto, the former Perth Region....


None of what you posted supports that.

You just post stories that are vaguely related to Indigenous Australians, not even The Voice, then hope nobody will read them and draw wildly inaccurate and unrelated conclusions from them, that support your dangerously unhealthy beliefs.

You are pathological in your desire to be a victim of some underhanded conspiracy that it has become laughable.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 14th, 2024 at 8:29pm
Nthing silly about the NT Lawfare thing - it's mostly links for reference and anyone who read it would see a pattern.

Misuse of funding and refusal to simply return unspent when caught out is just one of the signs of Entitlement™ that drives Lawfare.... and demonstrates that these 'bodies' set up in a discriminatory way for discriminatory purposes, feel they are above the law.

It's not hard, duckie - even you can follow it.  It's Friday night - don't you have a life?  It's a shame to see such a lack of talent wasted in discussion of real issues when you could be out in the streets bullying people for not agreeing with your views... rioting or wrecking a statue or something... making a statement on behalf of your Black brothers out there ... give 'em your car keys...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 14th, 2024 at 9:18pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 8:29pm:
Nthing silly about the NT Lawfare thing - it's mostly links for reference and anyone who read it would see a pattern.


Well you stuffed that up with a total inconsistent link with everything you've posted.


Quote:
Misuse of funding and refusal to simply return unspent when caught out is just one of the signs of Entitlement™ that drives Lawfare.... and demonstrates that these 'bodies' set up in a discriminatory way for discriminatory purposes, feel they are above the law.


You didn't read the story did you...

There is no misuse of funds or entitlement.  You made that up.

The governments are seeking to recoup nearly $2.7 million in unspent funds from the North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency (NAAJA) because these funds, initially allocated for specific legal aid purposes, were not utilised within the designated timeframe.

This situation is part of broader efforts to ensure that allocated funds, especially those aimed at essential services like legal aid, are used effectively and as intended.

Unspent funds, particularly in government budgets, can often be reallocated or repurposed to address other pressing needs or to ensure financial accountability and efficient use of public resources.

There is no scandal here, just your wilful ignorance to reality, or deliberate misrepresentation of it.


Quote:
It's not hard, duckie - even you can follow it.  It's Friday night - don't you have a life?  It's a shame to see such a lack of talent wasted in discussion of real issues when you could be out in the streets bullying people for not agreeing with your views... rioting or wrecking a statue or something... making a statement on behalf of your Black brothers out there ... give 'em your car keys...


Pointing out your lies is not bullying, but don't let that stop you playing the victim card again haha...

So oppressed...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 14th, 2024 at 11:49pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 9:18pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 8:29pm:
Nthing silly about the NT Lawfare thing - it's mostly links for reference and anyone who read it would see a pattern.


Well you stuffed that up with a total inconsistent link with everything you've posted.


Quote:
Misuse of funding and refusal to simply return unspent when caught out is just one of the signs of Entitlement™ that drives Lawfare.... and demonstrates that these 'bodies' set up in a discriminatory way for discriminatory purposes, feel they are above the law.


You didn't read the story did you...

There is no misuse of funds or entitlement.  You made that up.

The governments are seeking to recoup nearly $2.7 million in unspent funds from the North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency (NAAJA) because these funds, initially allocated for specific legal aid purposes, were not utilised within the designated timeframe.

This situation is part of broader efforts to ensure that allocated funds, especially those aimed at essential services like legal aid, are used effectively and as intended.

Unspent funds, particularly in government budgets, can often be reallocated or repurposed to address other pressing needs or to ensure financial accountability and efficient use of public resources.

There is no scandal here, just your wilful ignorance to reality, or deliberate misrepresentation of it.

[quote]It's not hard, duckie - even you can follow it.  It's Friday night - don't you have a life?  It's a shame to see such a lack of talent wasted in discussion of real issues when you could be out in the streets bullying people for not agreeing with your views... rioting or wrecking a statue or something... making a statement on behalf of your Black brothers out there ... give 'em your car keys...


Pointing out your lies is not bullying, but don't let that stop you playing the victim card again haha...

So oppressed...
[/quote]

Not at all - it's all part of the one .... you twist and turn like a wounded snake but you still make no sense... clearly you just react to triggers.... gotta be another school kid.  The word was bullying people in the street instead of being locked in your cellar..... go out and do something.. get out there and convince people of the rightness of your views.....   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  loan your bruvvas your car keys so they can throw wheelies .... get out there and DO something - you're making no headway here... just flapping your gums...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 14th, 2024 at 11:50pm
NAAJA has been caught out fiddling funds and has been de-funded - that's why the cash is required back.  Keep up.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 15th, 2024 at 12:17am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 11:49pm:
Not at all - it's all part of the one .... you twist and turn like a wounded snake but you still make no sense... clearly you just react to triggers.... gotta be another school kid.  The word was bullying people in the street instead of being locked in your cellar..... go out and do something.. get out there and convince people of the rightness of your views.....   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  loan your bruvvas your car keys so they can throw wheelies .... get out there and DO something - you're making no headway here... just flapping your gums...



Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 11:50pm:
NAAJA has been caught out fiddling funds and has been de-funded - that's why the cash is required back.  Keep up.


You've made the whole thing up.

They didn't use all their budget within the allotted time frame and the governments are taking the left over back.

If you're going to make any other claim, you're going to need to provide some evidence, because right now, your own article utterly obliterates and debunks the bullshit claim you're making.

Shot yourself in the foot there champ.

It is laughable how fragile your claims are and how even the most light touch of scrutiny, the mere reading of the article you posted and based your assertion on, is enough to make the entire house of cards fall.

Pathetic.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 15th, 2024 at 11:11am
He hangs on desperately ... terrified that  the assembly of all the facts in one place will show a picture that will bring down his entire worldview.

Clearly this assembly of all the issues in one place is a danger to the ideology ... this can only get better ... you can hear the fear in every utterance....

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 15th, 2024 at 6:05pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 15th, 2024 at 11:11am:
He hangs on desperately ... terrified that  the assembly of all the facts in one place will show a picture that will bring down his entire worldview.

Clearly this assembly of all the issues in one place is a danger to the ideology ... this can only get better ... you can hear the fear in every utterance....


So your response to "you made this up" and "your own evidence disproves your claims" is to pretend that I'm terrified of facts.

How about you justify your claims?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 15th, 2024 at 6:53pm
Still trying.  Don't worry - it will all come out in the wash.

Champ.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 15th, 2024 at 7:39pm
Bit slow on the news line tonight - the good stuff always comes out after midnight.... might have to switch on Sky News to see what's going on... now how do I find that channel again?

Have to wonder why some bother to come here at all - they never offer anything for discussion... always spend their time just slagging others like true trolls.... and try desperately to run interference if someone so much as assembles all the relevant data and links in one place.... at which point they become desperately frightened if it happens to be one of their 'favourite' stalking horses for their hate on modern Australia.  Clearly the  feel under attack for some reason.... something to hide.

Gee - if the flak is so thick here over assembling links to Aboriginal attempts to get hold of things through use of laws and regulations and 'interpretations' about whale singing and such, and all through sycophantic and arse-kissing bureaucracies outside the electoral chain - following the demise of the ill-fated voyage of the voice - imagine how it will be when we get to serious discussion of trannies and poofs and the lies about 'wage gaps' and all the other white ant madness eating away at the West by decree of the 'government' in place AND the 'government' in waiting AND their back pocket owned 'public service'.... all of whom, of course, simply want to be the ultimate autocrats in a Neo-Feudal Order ... the Gauleiters, Reichleiters, and such of the New Austroreich.  To achieve that last end they will stop at nothing and will support anything that reduces the citizenry under despotism and direct imposition by decree.

This grasping at emotionally driven issues and throwing blame around is a clear hallmark of failed government here -  the type of failed government that wants to create a New Order to suit themselves and their mates first and foremost and eventually only.

These useless tools running interference for this madness here, and elsewhere, are clearly in their pay or are just plain thick.

Imagine someone whining at and playing games at someone who is merely assembling the data.... that is its own kind of madness.... and BTW... I have no obligation to justify my position to anyone, champs.    ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 15th, 2024 at 10:04pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 15th, 2024 at 6:53pm:
Still trying


Yes, I am.

Still trying to get you to show a link between the news article you posted as evidence of the claim you made, other than debunking it.

But as usual, you're running scared, trying to turn the tables.

It won't work, you're not fooling anybody.

Not even yourself.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 15th, 2024 at 10:12pm
Still nothing to add to any discussion but distraction, eh?  that's your stock in trade - you don't discuss any of the contents of the links I put up - you attack the concept of their being put in a list and attack the messenger .... clearly it is you running scared .... let's just say you don't want people to actually catch on to the wide spread and serious nature of the death of a thousand cuts that makes up the voice by stealth.

You have motivated me to continue the good work towards genuine reconciliation and true equality for all citizens....

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 15th, 2024 at 10:15pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 15th, 2024 at 10:12pm:
Still nothing to add to any discussion but distraction, eh? 


Let's break it down.

You posted the following story,


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 1:31pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/federal-nt-governments-attempting-to-retrieve-almost-2-7m-in-unspent-funds-from-nt-legal-aid-service-naaja/ar-BB1o8fK5?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=3d1f8e474d794d3bcdc4f344056bbd19&ei=21&sc=shoreline


Then followed up with the claim,


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 8:29pm:
Misuse of funding and refusal to simply return unspent when caught out is just one of the signs of Entitlement™ that drives Lawfare.... and demonstrates that these 'bodies' set up in a discriminatory way for discriminatory purposes, feel they are above the law.


The problem is, the story didn't mention anything about misused funds or a refusal to return what was unspent.

Your justification of "entitlement" simply didn't happen, at all.  And the idea that Entitlement drives "lawfare", therefore The Voice by stealth is a crock of poo too.

The story, which clearly you still haven't read, states that the governments are seeking to recoup nearly $2.7 million in unspent funds from the North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency (NAAJA) because these funds, initially allocated for specific legal aid purposes, were not utilised within the designated timeframe.

This situation is part of broader efforts to ensure that allocated funds, especially those aimed at essential services like legal aid, are used effectively and as intended.

That's it.

Entirely normal behaviour.  A project was budgeted $X of tax payer funds, they didn't spend it, it goes back into the coffers.

If anything you should be praising the story as it's taking money out of the system to assist Indigenous Australians.

But instead, everything you've gleaned from that you've made up.

There is no evidence to support it from the very link you posted.

And you're too much of a coward to just own your mistake, deliberate or otherwise.

Again, you're not fooling anyone.

You're just posting links to stories that have a vague link to Indigenous Australians, not understanding what the story is saying if you even read it, then just making up whatever you want, hoping nobody will bother to read what you've posted, as if you've won some prize.

Busted.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 15th, 2024 at 10:18pm
Don't you ever wonder, if these are the sorts of tactics you have to use to find "evidence" to justify your views, that is, to entirely fabricate evidence and draw wildly inaccurate conclusions from content you've not even read, again to justify your views, that perhaps you're wrong?

It really should require so much dishonestly and disingenuousness to validate your opinions.

Like this isn't for us reading, this is more for you, but surely it must sting knowing that the lightest of scrutiny, namely reading the links you posted, then the conclusions you've used them to justify, is all it takes to disprove them?

Do you ever tire of the humiliation?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 15th, 2024 at 10:58pm
No effort to find anything - it's right there in the news.  On most of the links I don't even comment... yet off you go with your wild imagination, Don Quixote... wildly accusing me of making things up when they are right there in mainstream....

No need to put anything together to come across the voice by stealth - which is the primary underlying wrong going on since the voice defeat - virtually from the day of the death of the voice, the same party state governments declared they would be going ahead despite the ruling of the voters.

Put in Australian terms - Voice was sent off and refused to go and his team members united with him against the referee's decision and clear instruction to leave the field ...........

Now where do you imagine that would lead in an NRL match?  Why should it not lead to the same outcome over the voted down voice?

Something wrong with you, boy?  Something wrong with your head?  Do you really hate Australia, Australians and their democratic rights so much?  Then pack your bags - go - be one with nature at Aborassic Park/Abestine amongst your pals.  Join them in their Homeland where they can enjoy their pre-1788 Nirvana.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 15th, 2024 at 11:20pm
Now I'm busy - been catching up on the case of the missing F/A-18 pilot I've been telling yez about for years ... the one who went down when no Allied aircraft were lost, you dig?  And yet I saw his boots coming down via a SAR camera set up to watch the sky... and his family have been chasing the true story for years now.. and the Pentagon has admitted he is most likely POW somehow, somewhere at this time, though could be KIA/BNF.

Anyway - keep arguing - I have lots of things on the boil.... now about that Voice Insurrection..... any thoughts on state governments taking up the mantle after the same party fedguv was defeated over a constitutional issue?  Not casus belli civitatus, ya reckon?  Not a vile abrogation of the trust of the Australian public in their 'democratic' system?

Something wrong with some of you out there?  You got some kind of Hamas Fever or something?  Or do you just hate everything Australian or maybe just love a fruitless argument to try to irritate genuine people?

It's not working for you.... the doors of Gondwanamo Bay are yawning wider every day ...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 15th, 2024 at 11:34pm
So you can't justify your claims, so you were simply lying and making things up?

And what, you're just going to try and gaslight your way out of it?

Pathetic.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 15th, 2024 at 11:52pm
Nothing said justifies your wild claims there.... you're just stretching looking for a fingerhold....

Get a grip, lad.  You've been spending too much time on those video games and social media.... both the Guv and the Opposition want to curtail those for the immature...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 16th, 2024 at 6:37am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 15th, 2024 at 11:52pm:
Nothing said justifies your wild claims there.... you're just stretching looking for a fingerhold....

Get a grip, lad.  You've been spending too much time on those video games and social media.... both the Guv and the Opposition want to curtail those for the immature...


You made bullshit claims that are disproved by your own link you apparently got the claims from.

No deflections to video games or social media will change that.

You're still running scared.

I suspect someone doing the same thing to your other posts, as in checking the stories you post to make sure they match the claims you make, let alone that it's some sort of evidence of the voice by stealth will show the same thing.

You lie and run from the truth a lot some someone who is apparently a truth teller.

Is that meant to be an ironic name, like a big guy called Tiny?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 16th, 2024 at 11:24am
NT Lawfare

Starting from the first posts - some have gone missing.  Lot of 'lefty' links there already, but don't let that deter any of you village idiots.


Reply #1 - Apr 09th 2024
ABC News (AU)
Humane treatment of youth at Unit 18 not possible, inquest into Cleveland Dodd's death hears

A coronial inquest into WA's first recorded death in youth custody has heard it's not possible to treat detainees lawfully and humanely at the notorious maximum security wing he was being kept in.
WARNING: This story discusses incidents of self-harm and contains the name and image of an Indigenous person who has died.
Cleveland Dodd was 16 when he died in October 2023 after self-harming in his cell at Unit 18 — a section of the adult Casuarina Prison.
Coroner Philip Urquhart on Tuesday questioned youth custodial officer Nina Hayden about whether the Department of Justice policy of "ensuring young people are treated lawfully, humanely, fairly and equally" at Unit 18 was achievable.
Ms Hayden said it was not.
The inquest has previously heard from another officer, Daniel Torrijos, who said he believed the cells at Unit 18 were "unliveable" due to damage from detainees.


Reply #2 - Apr 15th 2024
Dailymotion·
Community leaders at Harsts Bluff meet to sign new agreement with government
As the youth curfew continues in Alice Springs ... remote Aboriginal communities outside the town say they are a key part of the solution. Community leaders at Harsts Bluff, about 200 kilo-metres west of Alice Springs, concede many of the kids behind the town's youth crime problems belong to remote communities. They met last week to sign a new agreement with the territory and federal governments

Reply #4 - Apr 16th 2024
ABC News
Government praises Alice Springs curfew for reducing crime

The Alice Springs curfew is set to be lifted at 6am on Tuesday morning. The Government is praising the curfew as having helped stopped spiralling crime in the town, but with an election just around the corner the timing is being questioned.

Apr 19th 2024
ABC News
Violence epidemic of First Nations women and children in the spotlight of Senate inquiry held in Darwin

More than 300 First Nations women are either missing or were killed under suspicious circumstances between 2000 and 2022. The harrowing number was revealed by an ABC Four Corners investigation that is now the subject of a senate inquiry held in Darwin.

Apr 29th 2024
Sky News (jayzuz - it's a miracle!!)...
‘Where is the money being spent?’: Jacinta Price calling for answers into Alice Springs funding.

Shadow Indigenous Australians Minister Jacinta Price is calling for answers into the millions of dollars of funding which was to be used to tackle youth crime in Alice Springs.
“There’s been calls from our mayor, from locals, from people on the ground for an understanding and an audit into the millions of dollars that have been spent here already,” Ms Price told Sky News Australia.
“15 months ago, the Prime Minister was shamed into visiting Alice Springs, making an announcement of $250 million.
“But what did the $250 million– now $300 million do in order to stop the riot that took place on our streets?
“This is what we need to understand – where is the money being spent?”

Australia has ‘got to fix’ underlying youth crime issues in Alice Springs

Alice Springs business owner Darren Clark says Australia has “really got to get into” the underlying issues around youth crime in Alice Springs and “get them fixed.
Mr Clark said it’s “going to take a long time” but the youth of Alice Springs “deserve a shot at life”.
“It’s going to take a long time, but we’ve got to give these young kids a chance – that’s all we can ask for.
“The people of Alice Springs are willing to work with whoever they have to work with to actually change the lives to the betterment of the town and the northern territory.
“Someone’s got to rip the bandaid off, have a look at the underlying problems … and how we can change it.
“If you don’t look at that and you’re not open and honest about it, nothing will ever change.”

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 16th, 2024 at 11:28am
You really need to stop wasting everyone's time, Sacka - you are full of bullshit.  Try reading what's in front of you instead of reading in as you see fit.

I've got plenty more - just started..... and you know - one hell of a lot of it is very much on the Abo side.... but you're such an idiot you wouldn't want to see that.  You're down, sonny.  Such a shame to see you wasting your life like this when there are real issues out there that need fixing.

You're just plain stupid, aren't you?  I intend to fully form these lists for all States so people can easily get an overall picture without having to dig and dig.  I think that's very kind and balanced of me - so bugger off!

Let's see - tomorrow's Monday - we should hear more whinging from the demented mothra about how horrible I am to the Abos and how I'm one of those stuck on Sky news.... talk about assholes who don't ever read what's in front of them but just come here to troll.  How about Smith?  We need a little abuse and insult and nothing else?  What about some Laughing Boy with his drug dementia?

If you village idiots are the best the left can offer - you have zero chance ever.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 17th, 2024 at 8:09am
I'm not trying to win an argument with you, I'm just trying to understand what you're doing.

You started the "lawfare" threads to show examples of the law being used to bypass the result of the referendum to implement the voice by stealth, correct?

But then you post news stories that have nothing at all to do with that.  Those you leave without comment are one thing, but those you comment on with conclusions you've reached that are not supported, or even debunked by the story you've posted, I don't understand what you're trying to achieve.

It's hurting your case.

Or are you just trying to have big threads, with lots of posts, as if that's an indication what you're saying is true despite the actual content posted?

Someone else used to do that around here, until they threw the largest tantrum I've seen not done by a child and left the forum.

So I'm trying to understand what your aim is with these threads.

Can we start by defining terms?

What do you mean by "lawfare"?

What do you mean by "the voice by stealth"?

Surely you're capable of answering these two simple questions without obfuscating or gaslighting?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 17th, 2024 at 1:17pm
Cop another lungful then - perhaps you could explain to the entire room how this is 'unbalanced' and how it all somehow comes from 'Sky News' - you know - in between racing that rat between your ears, champ - so far the ABC reports have outdone the paltry 2-3 Sky by a country margin, champ - and yet off you dorks go.  Point is - you can't win an argument, champ - you have none, champ:-

"ABC News (AU)·
PM Anthony Albanese visits Alice Springs for first time since youth curfew
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has touched down in Alice Springs just weeks after a youth curfew propelled the Northern Territory town into the spotlight. But much like his last visit in 2023 which came amid mounting pressure to address anti-social behaviour and crime, locals want to see exactly what the federal government will do to help the embattled community get back on its feet.

Sky News (AGAIN- that's twice!!!  It's out of control!!)
NT independent MP raises questions over funding for Alice Springs
Alice Springs has been subjected to a “deterioration in everything in this town” over the last six or seven years, says Northern Territory Independent MP Robyn Lambley.
Her comments come as the state continues to experience a youth crime crisis, and questions are now being raised over the Albanese government’s funding, which was allocated to tackle the issue.



ABC News (AU)
Tangentyere Council facing backlash over CEO's absence in community matters
An Aboriginal-controlled organisation paid tens of millions of dollars in government grants each year to help improve social issues in Alice Springs has come under fire for declining meetings, allegedly failing to deliver services adequately, and allowing a convicted domestic violence offender to sit on its board.
Tangentyere Council Aboriginal Corporation is one of Australia's largest Aboriginal-controlled organisations and is funded to provide housing, safety and youth services for Aboriginal people in Alice Springs.
In the past financial year, it collected more than $30 million in government grants and contracts including for servicing 16 town camps dotted across Alice Springs' fringes, a women's safety group and family violence prevention programs.
But as another bout of social unrest tarnishes Alice Springs, the council's chief executive — Walter Shaw — has remained silent and has declined to meet with local government and other stakeholders.
The organisation, which employs about 300 people, hasn't released an annual report since 2018.
Mr Shaw has declined multiple requests for comment by the ABC.
Mayor calls for greater collaboration
Alice Springs mayor Matt Paterson said the town council had been trying, without success, to meet with Tangentyere's chief executive for the past decade.
Last year, the town council took the extreme step of calling on the NT government to broker a meeting between the two organisations.
The NT government said it was unable to assist.
"As a council, we represent everyone in Alice Springs and we want to sit down with major stakeholders to reach suitable outcomes," Mr Paterson said.
"It's about sitting at the table and sharing similar views and advocating for similar things."


ABC News (AU)
Zachary Rolfe forced to hand over notes used in evidence during Kumanjayi Walker coronial inquest. 
(Grappleditorial – as a police officer he would hand over notes at a REQUEST from a court of any kind – no 'force' needed) – his legal team argued that these were part of any prospective defence and therefore should be confidential.  That is a different matter and the court officer could have seen or heard these notes in private.)
Former constable Zachary Rolfe has been ordered by the Northern Territory coroner to hand over a series of notes which include references to racism and sexism within the NT Police Force.
Warning: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander readers are advised that this article contains the name and image of an Indigenous person who has died, used with the permission of their family.
Mr Rolfe gave evidence over several days in February at the coronial inquest into the death of Kumanjayi Walker, who Mr Rolfe fatally shot during a failed arrest attempt in the remote community of Yuendumu in 2019.
Mr Rolfe has been acquitted of all charges following the incident.
During his evidence at the inquest on February 26, Mr Rolfe made a number of explosive claims about an ingrained culture of racism within the force — claims which ultimately prompted an internal investigation by NT police.
At times during his evidence, including when being asked about the use of racist language by him and fellow officers, Mr Rolfe referred to a three-page set of notes he had inside the witness box.
Three days into his evidence, Counsel Assisting the Coroner Peggy Dwyer called for the notes to be produced to the court."

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 17th, 2024 at 1:34pm
Even an idiot knows what 'lawfare' is, champ - and if you can't see the voice by stealth being pushed by states of the same political colour after a national vote against of 61-39 you clearly do not wish to see - and you are part of the problem for all sides of the questions raised.

You may explain why you disagree with any of my conclusions, champ - that's as far as your rights go without your infantile gaslighting and silly childish put-downs, champ.  You sailed in here, champ, all full of vim and vigor, spraying about and name-calling without offering one single discussion point - now you think you can demand that others play by your demands when you have never played by the rules yourself...... champ ......

So, slick - I'll offer you my standard response - you turn around, go back through that door, and come back, knock and start all over again, champ.

Now then - about that Homeland concept... the Two States Solution .... Gondwanamo Bay in the middle of it all for the true recalcitrants ... these are very real offers - a simple one page generous offer of settlement to suit the demands of Blactivists .... we'll give you the Homeland and Separate State that you demand where you can 'do things your way' without us - you leave us alone and go your own way without us - and US includes those who wish to be an active and positive part of this country and not just be some perpetual fifth column.

You see - champ - it's all about giving THEM, the Blactivists, a choice - be on the team or get off.... go - be one with your wonderful chosen lifestyle where 76 out of 81 murdered women are in your communities - simple really 96% of the population will not be abiding by the demands put forward by you - maybe 5% of 4% - OR by the demands put forward by you that are pushed behind everyone's backs by faceless public servants.  When you understand NO get back to me, slick.

Let me know when those who challenge a 'decision' made by a faceless public service body behind the people's backs and despite their clearly stated NO position, are funded to the same extent by government as the public service case is.  Just one aspect of lawfare, slick.... and aspect that gives one side a totally unfair benefit ..... at the expense of the other side as well as the people and as part of the people .... and without our consent.

I wouldn't expect your kind to even want to see reality.  It's the modern thing, you know.  Go check your gender today, slick... it might have changed or something.... reality story!!   :o

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 17th, 2024 at 4:15pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 1:34pm:
Even an idiot knows what 'lawfare' is, champ


So you won't define it for us?


Quote:
and if you can't see the voice by stealth being pushed by states of the same political colour after a national vote against of 61-39 you clearly do not wish to see - and you are part of the problem for all sides of the questions raised.


It seems like we need to take things a step further and define what you think the voice is.

The states simply do not have the power to alter the constitution to provide a voice to Indigenous Australians via a representative body by use of state-level laws.

One would assume this is what you're talking about when you say Lawfare, because you've so far refused to elaborate.


Quote:
You may explain why you disagree with any of my conclusions, champ - that's as far as your rights go without your infantile gaslighting and silly childish put-downs, champ.  You sailed in here, champ, all full of vim and vigor, spraying about and name-calling without offering one single discussion point - now you think you can demand that others play by your demands when you have never played by the rules yourself...... champ ......


The problem is, champ, that when I do point out not only that I disagree with your conclusions but why, you go into a total meltdown and pretend to be the victim while ignoring all the claims I've made.

An example would be when you posted this story,


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 1:31pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/federal-nt-governments-attempting-to-retrieve-almost-2-7m-in-unspent-funds-from-nt-legal-aid-service-naaja/ar-BB1o8fK5?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=3d1f8e474d794d3bcdc4f344056bbd19&ei=21&sc=shoreline


Then followed up with the claim,


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 8:29pm:
Misuse of funding and refusal to simply return unspent when caught out is just one of the signs of Entitlement™ that drives Lawfare.... and demonstrates that these 'bodies' set up in a discriminatory way for discriminatory purposes, feel they are above the law.


The story you posted didn't mention anything about misused funds or a refusal to return what was unspent.

Your justification of "entitlement" simply didn't happen, at all.

The truth is, the story states that the governments are seeking to recoup nearly $2.7 million in unspent funds from the North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency (NAAJA) because these funds, initially allocated for specific legal aid purposes, were not utilised within the designated timeframe.

This situation is part of broader efforts to ensure that allocated funds, especially those aimed at essential services like legal aid, are used effectively and as intended.

That's it.

Entirely normal behaviour.

So I disagree with your conclusion because they're entirely made up, as evidence by your own link.

While you've put on a grand song and dance, you've not addressed this.

This is the response I get when I explain why I disagree with any of my conclusions,


Quote:
So, slick - I'll offer you my standard response - you turn around, go back through that door, and come back, knock and start all over again, champ.

Now then - about that Homeland concept... the Two States Solution


Yeah nah.  I'm not interested in platforming your attempts to justify segregation and genocide as a distraction, we're talking about lawfare, the voice and your claims of it being introduced by stealth.

I'm trying to understand why you think things like Indigenous youth deaths in custody, a push to increase tourism at Uluru, a failure of the duty of care resulting in further preventable Indigenous deaths in custody or the state and federal government recouping unspent funds from Indigenous programs are examples of "lawfare" or a step further, examples of the implementation of the voice by stealth.

The onus is not on me to prove those claims, it's on you.  You're the one making them.

Unless you want to clear the air and confirm these aren't examples of Lawfare the voice by stealth?

I think anyone willing to read these threads of yours would benefit from you helping to define what you consider "Lawfare" to be, and since none of these examples are anything close to "The Voice", if you could describe for us what you consider the Voice to be, in terms of the states trying to implement it by stealth, we would all appreciate it.

I do hope you can indulge us with this information because right now, now of what you are posting is consistent or makes sense.

Like I said, I'm just trying to understand.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 17th, 2024 at 4:31pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 1:34pm:
You sailed in here, champ, all full of vim and vigor, spraying about and name-calling without offering one single discussion point


I didn't realise me describing your behaviour and referring to you as "champ" here,


ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 15th, 2024 at 12:17am:
Shot yourself in the foot there champ.


Would trigger you so very much...

Truth hurts?

And you've since gone on to call me "champ", which I've learned by your response must be the height of insult, 13 times...

Ouch.  Burn.

I said it once as a throwaway, and again replying to you after your champtrum.

You poor victim.  You're so oppressed.

Given the things you've called me in the past, who would have thought "champ" was the trigger point for you...

I don't know why it's always the self-proclaimed tough guy conservative types that cry the most over the lightest of pushback utilising their own tactics against them.

I mean, you did shoot yourself in the foot.  You posted a link, commented that it meant X, and the link itself disproves that claim as nowhere in there, does it support what you made up.

And you keep running from it, trying to gaslight me, spout diatribe after diatribe and then project all of that onto me as if you're the victim.

I knew you wouldn't be capable of any sort of good faith discussion or debate, but even I wasn't expecting this...

You did in fact shoot yourself in the foot, champ.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Frank on Jun 17th, 2024 at 6:02pm
Lawfare is a number of things.

1 the process IS the punishment.
2 endless legal challenges to decisions in order to delay, nobble
3 plea bargaining with witnesses - we won't charge you if you testify against the other guy
4 threatening with crippling costs against less well off opponents
5 gambit claims that will be settled out of court to avoid cost and reputations damage




Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 17th, 2024 at 7:34pm

Frank wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 6:02pm:
Lawfare is a number of things.

1 the process IS the punishment.
2 endless legal challenges to decisions in order to delay, nobble
3 plea bargaining with witnesses - we won't charge you if you testify against the other guy
4 threatening with crippling costs against less well off opponents
5 gambit claims that will be settled out of court to avoid cost and reputations damage


That has been my understanding of it historically.

Which is why I was asking.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 17th, 2024 at 7:51pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 7:34pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 6:02pm:
Lawfare is a number of things.

1 the process IS the punishment.
2 endless legal challenges to decisions in order to delay, nobble
3 plea bargaining with witnesses - we won't charge you if you testify against the other guy
4 threatening with crippling costs against less well off opponents
5 gambit claims that will be settled out of court to avoid cost and reputations damage


That has been my understanding of it historically.

Which is why I was asking.



Then why bother?  If you know all that what is your argument about assembling the complete picture of moves?  What IS it you're so afraid of?

Your like some tranny activist who screeches about the Cass review and doesn't want to wait for the full accumulation of all available data etc... clearly because it will bring your house of cards tumbling down.

Now then.... about that voice by stealth with all this demanding and gifting by behind masks public servants ... this little old death of a thousand cuts organised at state level since AlboFed lost ......  it's nothing, right? Just a little bit here and a little bit there... a little closure of a national icon here... shut down of access to a national park there ..... bit of the old and worn out Feudal land enclosures to give to the Lords private hunting grounds and spiritual retreats.... it's all just fair and reasonable, no?

Today's Victory for The Grappler Movement - Gympie may have fallen - but the 'court' laid out very clearly the severe limits of 'native title' ..... something they haven't done for years, leading to countless troubles piled one on top of another....

(Sacka basted with oil, brushed lightly over - you know, when we were kids we were so poor we couldn't afford bacon, so granma let us lick the pig as it ran past - - now let's leave him to rotate slowly on the spit for a while) ....

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 17th, 2024 at 8:39pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/white-idiot-activists-told-to-butt-out-of-top-end/ar-BB1olPUV?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=149d0a6c9dc543b6dd410a02e47542f9&ei=8&sc=shoreline#comments

AAP  17/06/2024

White 'idiot' activists told to butt out of Top End

"Idiot" white activists from southern states are blocking economic development opportunities for Indigenous people in the Top End, according to a traditional owner group.

Top End Aboriginal Coastal Alliance Chair, Julius Kernan, told a federal parliamentary inquiry into a controversial mining and manufacturing project that Indigenous Territorians faced many "hurdles".

And siding with interstate environmentalists had previously caused them to "miss out" on the benefits projects bring, he said.

"It is time for our people to be recognised or identified as people to engage with in a culturally appropriate manner and have space to have a say without interruption from non-Indigenous idiots," Mr Kernan told a Senate inquiry examining the Middle Arm development in the Northern Territory on Monday.

It was a response to NT Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price's question about the detrimental effect of interstate environmental activists blocking projects that could bring economic development to Aboriginal people.

Mr Kernan said the group representing people from Top End coastal and sea country areas wants economic development to help improve education outcomes and create jobs for future generations of Indigenous Territorians.

"We want them to fill the roles our people have been missing out on," he said.

Renewable energy company, Suncable, denied helping to greenwash the project, known as the Middle Arm Sustainable Development Precinct by the NT government.

It is already home to the Santos Darwin LNG and the INPEX Ichthys LNG processing facilities, with plans for gas-fracking company Tamboran Resources Limited to take a parcel of land at the site near Darwin.

Suncable Managing Director Cameron Garnsworthy said the company was in talks with the other four "green and forward-facing" future tenants, including prospective hydrogen producer Fortescue Future Industries.

"We don't see ourselves as greenwashing at all," he said.

"We're looking to supply low-cost electrons to those customers and we've entered into a number of (letters of intent) to that effect, which supports that basis of our business going forward."

The other proponents are Tivan and Avenira, with proposed critical mineral processing projects, and renewable energy company TEH2, which wants to develop a green hydrogen production facility

Economic and finance analyst, Joshua Runciman, said the LNG side of the $1.5 billion project, that has Commonwealth backing, was fraught with danger for taxpayers and may not yield an economic return.

He said Tamboran Resources Limited's proposed shale gas project in the Beetaloo Basin was highly uneconomic and not competitive with other suppliers around the globe."

"There are some real risks for taxpayers here, particularly around some of the investment in LNG infrastructure, because I really think Tamboran are going to face an uphill struggle to get financing for that project," he said.

Outside of the Canberra hearing, committee chair, South Australian Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young said Middle Arm would contribute to climate change.

"No wonder the local community, the tourism industry, the fishing industry, the schools, the nurses, the doctors, and the local traditional owners don't want this project," she said.

"It's time that the local Darwin community were listened to by representatives here in Canberra."

Larrakia woman Laniyuk said she had travelled to the inquiry from Darwin to help "protect" her country and people from the project.

"Our land, water, sacred sites, climate and the health of people in the NT - everything's at risk," she said in a statement.

"We stand with First Nations across the NT and Tiwi Islands staunchly opposing toxic gas expansion."

The hearing continues on Tuesday."

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Frank on Jun 17th, 2024 at 8:58pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 7:34pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 6:02pm:
Lawfare is a number of things.

1 the process IS the punishment.
2 endless legal challenges to decisions in order to delay, nobble
3 plea bargaining with witnesses - we won't charge you if you testify against the other guy
4 threatening with crippling costs against less well off opponents
5 gambit claims that will be settled out of court to avoid cost and reputations damage


That has been my understanding of it historically.

Which is why I was asking.



Then why bother? 


Kicking SadScrots in the nuts, JUST LIKE THAT - how very dare you?



Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 17th, 2024 at 9:33pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 7:34pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 6:02pm:
Lawfare is a number of things.

1 the process IS the punishment.
2 endless legal challenges to decisions in order to delay, nobble
3 plea bargaining with witnesses - we won't charge you if you testify against the other guy
4 threatening with crippling costs against less well off opponents
5 gambit claims that will be settled out of court to avoid cost and reputations damage


That has been my understanding of it historically.

Which is why I was asking.



Then why bother?  If you know all that what is your argument about assembling the complete picture of moves? 


Because that's what I understand it to mean.

I'm more interested in what you think it is, because none of those points are articulated in most of the articles you're posting and they don't align with those definitions.


Quote:
What IS it you're so afraid of?


You're projecting again. I'm not afraid, I'm trying to understand. You're the one acting afraid, hence the impression of you projecting, because you're not answering the questions put to you and trying to weasel out of doing so.


Quote:
Your like some tranny activist who screeches about the Cass review and doesn't want to wait for the full accumulation of all available data etc... clearly because it will bring your house of cards tumbling down.

Now then.... about that voice by stealth with all this demanding and gifting by behind masks public servants ... this little old death of a thousand cuts organised at state level since AlboFed lost ......  it's nothing, right? Just a little bit here and a little bit there... a little closure of a national icon here... shut down of access to a national park there ..... bit of the old and worn out Feudal land enclosures to give to the Lords private hunting grounds and spiritual retreats.... it's all just fair and reasonable, no?

Today's Victory for The Grappler Movement - Gympie may have fallen - but the 'court' laid out very clearly the severe limits of 'native title' ..... something they haven't done for years, leading to countless troubles piled one on top of another....

(Sacka basted with oil, brushed lightly over - you know, when we were kids we were so poor we couldn't afford bacon, so granma let us lick the pig as it ran past - - now let's leave him to rotate slowly on the spit for a while) ....


All you do is run from scrutiny and tell anyone who will listen that you won.

There is no competition.

I'm trying to understand what you mean by the voice and in that same context lawfare.

What you are attributing to them in the content you are posting highlight that you don't understand either of them.

So if you're done running off and boasting in an effort to even convince yourself that it's not just pantomime bravado and you're not in fact running scared, would you like to come back to the table and answer the questions?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Frank on Jun 17th, 2024 at 9:43pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 9:33pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 7:34pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 6:02pm:
Lawfare is a number of things.

1 the process IS the punishment.
2 endless legal challenges to decisions in order to delay, nobble
3 plea bargaining with witnesses - we won't charge you if you testify against the other guy
4 threatening with crippling costs against less well off opponents
5 gambit claims that will be settled out of court to avoid cost and reputations damage


That has been my understanding of it historically.

Which is why I was asking.



Then why bother?  If you know all that what is your argument about assembling the complete picture of moves? 


Because that's what I understand it to mean.

I'm more interested in what you think it is, because none of those points are articulated in most of the articles you're posting and they don't align with those definitions.

So what did YOU think Lawfare meant before those definitions were articulated? Can you articulate it?



Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 17th, 2024 at 10:25pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 9:33pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 7:34pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 6:02pm:
Lawfare is a number of things.

1 the process IS the punishment.
2 endless legal challenges to decisions in order to delay, nobble
3 plea bargaining with witnesses - we won't charge you if you testify against the other guy
4 threatening with crippling costs against less well off opponents
5 gambit claims that will be settled out of court to avoid cost and reputations damage


That has been my understanding of it historically.

Which is why I was asking.



Then why bother?  If you know all that what is your argument about assembling the complete picture of moves? 


Because that's what I understand it to mean.

I'm more interested in what you think it is, because none of those points are articulated in most of the articles you're posting and they don't align with those definitions.


Quote:
What IS it you're so afraid of?


You're projecting again. I'm not afraid, I'm trying to understand. You're the one acting afraid, hence the impression of you projecting, because you're not answering the questions put to you and trying to weasel out of doing so.

[quote]Your like some tranny activist who screeches about the Cass review and doesn't want to wait for the full accumulation of all available data etc... clearly because it will bring your house of cards tumbling down.

Now then.... about that voice by stealth with all this demanding and gifting by behind masks public servants ... this little old death of a thousand cuts organised at state level since AlboFed lost ......  it's nothing, right? Just a little bit here and a little bit there... a little closure of a national icon here... shut down of access to a national park there ..... bit of the old and worn out Feudal land enclosures to give to the Lords private hunting grounds and spiritual retreats.... it's all just fair and reasonable, no?

Today's Victory for The Grappler Movement - Gympie may have fallen - but the 'court' laid out very clearly the severe limits of 'native title' ..... something they haven't done for years, leading to countless troubles piled one on top of another....

(Sacka basted with oil, brushed lightly over - you know, when we were kids we were so poor we couldn't afford bacon, so granma let us lick the pig as it ran past - - now let's leave him to rotate slowly on the spit for a while) ....


All you do is run from scrutiny and tell anyone who will listen that you won.

There is no competition.

I'm trying to understand what you mean by the voice and in that same context lawfare.

What you are attributing to them in the content you are posting highlight that you don't understand either of them.

So if you're done running off and boasting in an effort to even convince yourself that it's not just pantomime bravado and you're not in fact running scared, would you like to come back to the table and answer the questions?
[/quote]

You know what I know it to be...

All that bravado there, champ, and you still don't address a single issue.  I need to convince myself of nothing - I merely assemble the news - you all lost about that 'sky channel' thing, didn't you, with most links to 'other' sites ..... but you!  Oh.. you're a doozie!!  You mean you can't see the voice by stealth yet - let alone the way lawfare interweaves with it to generate the very things voted down by the public?  Now I already told you that lawfare has many aspects..... have you actually read any of the things linked?

Just FYI - links that refer directly to lawfare claims that generate the voice by stealth direct often just disappear - not available..... even they are running scared in the knowledge that someone is collecting them.......... what does that tell you?

What is your opinion?  What about some of my commentaries?  Any chance of a direct discussion of those ... or do you prefer simply slagging?  I could get Smithy in to do that - or mothra when she's finished barring up her house after making peace with her local Tribesmen... what kind of neighbourhood is that?  LTYC would just hare off on some ... hare-brained pursuit .... but you?  You lay such claims to superiority!  Surely you can back those up???

Come right in - I know your next move.... come right in...



Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 17th, 2024 at 10:34pm
You're doing it again, and still not answering the question.

The problem is without laying the groundwork and setting the terms, there is no possibility to have a good faith discussion.

And it seems like that's your goal, you have no intention of conducting yourself in that way.

I've got nothing to prove, I'm not making the claims, you are.

What you've posted, that you're calling evidence of Lawfare and the voice by stealth doesn't match even what Frank posted.

So you must have a different definition.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 17th, 2024 at 10:34pm

Frank wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 9:43pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 9:33pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 7:34pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 6:02pm:
Lawfare is a number of things.

1 the process IS the punishment.
2 endless legal challenges to decisions in order to delay, nobble
3 plea bargaining with witnesses - we won't charge you if you testify against the other guy
4 threatening with crippling costs against less well off opponents
5 gambit claims that will be settled out of court to avoid cost and reputations damage


That has been my understanding of it historically.

Which is why I was asking.



Then why bother?  If you know all that what is your argument about assembling the complete picture of moves? 


Because that's what I understand it to mean.

I'm more interested in what you think it is, because none of those points are articulated in most of the articles you're posting and they don't align with those definitions.

So what did YOU think Lawfare meant before those definitions were articulated? Can you articulate it?


I agree with you, that's exactly what lawfare is.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 17th, 2024 at 10:52pm
**pulls up rock by warm fire**:-

"Well, lawfare is one of them made up words... it means many things to many people.... but basically to me it means simply using a law, or a regulation, or a departmental policy - say within a department that looks after river water - where the side with the deepest pockets can simply take any argument to court, meaning that the other guy, who usually is a single person or company - standing alone - has limited pockets.  You saw that with the attempted takeover of the Common where we used to live... in floated this fancy barrister and his lawyer wifey - they came up with the brilliant idea - to suit themselves, of course - that the Common - held by everyone for equal use for generations - should be restricted to people who would run ten cattle on it.  Naturally the locals were up in arms... some of them fattened two or three - maybe even five - so they would be cut out of the free range Common.
So the lawyers strutted about, flashing their deep pockets, and said they'd take it to court then!!! One of the kindlier locals took them aside and whispered - "You do that and some here will take it to the gun!"  Well - that brilliant idea soon lost its lustre for the lawyers and they felt outcast and out-gunned, so to speak, by sheer numbers.... sad, innit?

Lawfare is just a way of waging a war but using available piss-poor 'laws' and such and the equally piss poor intellect of many in the judiciary, and of many of their uninformed decisions and 'interpretations'.  Let's just talk about 'land claims' here.  Now it's only this very weekend that the media has actually reported that an actual court actually laid down the limitations and extent of 'native title claim' - and very specifically, too!   What had been happening - under the lawfare generated by some activists - was that stupid courts were allowing 'native title' to be misinterpreted as 'absolute freehold ownership' - which it was and is not.  They were allowing this to happen - and clearly for reasons that they wanted it to - so as to create endless disputes and arguments leading to further lawfare and sometimes even physical conflicts - where the dumbest courts in the universe who've never set foot outside their fairy floss castles, could decide on the 'rights' of the 'poor suffering applicants' - who BTW were demanding, not asking for justice.

Now, of course - that's all changed - and always remember that these kinds of things are done over a few good whiskeys in the bar, between parliamentarians and 'judges' they appoint - and the reality has become that the courts WILL lay out the realities and limitations of 'title' to lands.... they've been told to by their political masters ... their direct paymasters ... who can smell the way the wind is blowing in their faces.....

Now a lot of idjits here and elsewhere jump up and down and rant and rave when I discuss such things truthfully... honest discussion is something they are incapable of doing over anything - while assiduously avoiding the simple reality that I also discuss the faults of such 'title' when it comes to what I view as rightful full ownership of a portion of land for the real claimants, with the right to build etc.

Of course, you'll never get idjits to accept that they are wrong.... even when they are told by one of those tame 'courts' that they are and always have been.

I guess they're never going to get over the Federal court giving a claim to a widespread group, and then carefully laying out what that actually means - right to use non-private property, same as everyone else - and absolutely no rights of Ownership - no right to build a home or anything, just go out and erect a tent.... temporarily only and pick up sticks for a fire or to make a spear or boomerang or didgeridoo.... and not try to prevent anyone else from doing the same.

Took a long time - a lot of work by people like me with no money to speak of.... but it's all laid down.  Now all we have to do is get these courts and governments to actually give these people some land of their own... Freehold.  Lawfare works in funny ways and in many ways ........

Hope I haven't bored you...... but what a great victory to have the court TOLD to lay down the realities of 'native title' for a change and cut down on the eternal conflicts failures have created in the past.... now we can all start to move forward... Native title terms and conditions are finally settled - now let's get those people some land of their own ......."

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:23am
Thanks Grap.

Is it fair to summarise that as the following,

You believe that Lawfare refers to the use of legal systems and principles by wealthier parties to overpower less financially equipped opponents, often leading to conflicts and misinterpretations, particularly in land claims. It exploits the judiciary's weaknesses, causing disputes and you've highlighted native title as one that matters to you.

Recent clarifications have distinguished native title from absolute ownership, reducing conflicts and enabling progress towards fair land distribution for native claimants.

Is that an accurate summation?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:10pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:23am:
Thanks Grap.

Is it fair to summarise that as the following,

You believe that Lawfare refers to the use of legal systems and principles by wealthier any parties to overpower less financially equipped opponents in some circumstances, to create a deterrent to opposing some issue by demonstrating a serious cost in doing so given the unbalance in funding, with the unbalanced outcomes that this creates often leading to conflicts and misinterpretations, particularly in land claims. It is used as a tactic and part of a strategy to gain control over what is demanded, and is, in essence, a form of bullying, ESPECIALLY when one 'side' has the backing and full financial support of a government body with unlimited funds compared to any opposition.  It can exploits the judiciary's and law's weaknesses and/or vagueness, causes unresolved and ongoing disputes by failing to provide a satisfactory resolution suitable to all stakeholders and you've highlighted native title as one that matters to you and at least 61% of the Australian populace..

Recent clarifications have distinguished native title from absolute ownership, reducing conflicts and enabling progress towards fair land distribution for native claimants.

Is that an accurate summation?


No.  Corrected for you partially without going into a book for you.  Not as simple as you'd like to see it. 

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 18th, 2024 at 10:16pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:10pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:23am:
Thanks Grap.

Is it fair to summarise that as the following,

You believe that Lawfare refers to the use of legal systems and principles by wealthier any parties to overpower less financially equipped opponents in some circumstances, to create a deterrent to opposing some issue by demonstrating a serious cost in doing so given the unbalance in funding, with the unbalanced outcomes that this creates often leading to conflicts and misinterpretations, particularly in land claims. It is used as a tactic and part of a strategy to gain control over what is demanded, and is, in essence, a form of bullying, ESPECIALLY when one 'side' has the backing and full financial support of a government body with unlimited funds compared to any opposition.  It can exploits the judiciary's and law's weaknesses and/or vagueness, causes unresolved and ongoing disputes by failing to provide a satisfactory resolution suitable to all stakeholders and you've highlighted native title as one that matters to you and at least 61% of the Australian populace..

Recent clarifications have distinguished native title from absolute ownership, reducing conflicts and enabling progress towards fair land distribution for native claimants.

Is that an accurate summation?


No.  Corrected for you partially without going into a book for you.  Not as simple as you'd like to see it. 


As someone who tends to write a dissertation every frigging time I reply, I appreciate the clarification, without the book :)

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 19th, 2024 at 6:04am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 10:16pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:10pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:23am:
Thanks Grap.

Is it fair to summarise that as the following,

You believe that Lawfare refers to the use of legal systems and principles by wealthier any parties to overpower less financially equipped opponents in some circumstances, to create a deterrent to opposing some issue by demonstrating a serious cost in doing so given the unbalance in funding, with the unbalanced outcomes that this creates often leading to conflicts and misinterpretations, particularly in land claims. It is used as a tactic and part of a strategy to gain control over what is demanded, and is, in essence, a form of bullying, ESPECIALLY when one 'side' has the backing and full financial support of a government body with unlimited funds compared to any opposition.  It can exploits the judiciary's and law's weaknesses and/or vagueness, causes unresolved and ongoing disputes by failing to provide a satisfactory resolution suitable to all stakeholders and you've highlighted native title as one that matters to you and at least 61% of the Australian populace..

Recent clarifications have distinguished native title from absolute ownership, reducing conflicts and enabling progress towards fair land distribution for native claimants.

Is that an accurate summation?


No.  Corrected for you partially without going into a book for you.  Not as simple as you'd like to see it. 


As someone who tends to write a dissertation every frigging time I reply, I appreciate the clarification, without the book :)


The price of liberty is eternal sibilance, as Joe Biden ssssays while wandering off... one learns to be careful to give explanatory notes with everything because lesser kinds start picking at every word, trying to play 'gotcha' and trying to make out things were said that never were.  If every idjit would just keep up in class and actually come prepared with a bag of facts instead of rhetoric, it would be a lot easier.

Do you know how many times one has to say a simple thing to the next idjit who comes along when you just said it three days ago?

Training idjits is not easy work.

How many words have been used just to get it into your thick skulls what lawfare is and how it works and what it covers?  Every demand for special privilege is lawfare when it is done through pursuit of an unfair advantage and using public funds that are denied to any other view - abuse pure and simple and cause of never-ending warfare by other means and often by 'kinetic' means like spear waving and jumping up and down and camping on parliament lawns and smashing things and setting fires, and so forth.

The law has not been quite dead - but it's sure been asleep for a while.  Every single one of those 'departments' and 'tribunals' are set up to view  things one way.  Go visit one and see for yourself.  Take you blonde Scandi missus in to make a complaint and see the quizzical looks.... who gets instant hearing in 'Aboriginal blah-blah' departments'?  Who gets right in with 'national parks' etc?  Gunfried Gutterson vantink do glimb dis national park?

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Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 24th, 2024 at 3:15pm
Usiness as Busual:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/barkly-councillors-in-northern-territory-dismissed-pending-new-elections/vi-BB1oyN8A?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=527ce5e5294245c7c31781e7268b099d&ei=9#details

"arkly councillors in Northern Territory dismissed pending new elections
Conflicts of interest, manipulation, sabotage, and gaping operational deficiencies. All outlined in a report about the management of an outback council in the Northern Territory with a population of fewer than 7,400 people and roughly the size of Norway. The report includes damning findings against the Barkly council's former chief executive and all of the councillors have been dismissed, pending new elections."

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 24th, 2024 at 4:22pm
Show Me The Money!!

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/pilbara-traditional-owners-call-for-inquiry-into-andrew-forrest-s-solomon-hub-over-environmental-cultural-concerns/ar-BB1oLuDl?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=134d7c6137184cbc8b5cc095997d7fe3&ei=12

"Pilbara traditional owners call for inquiry into Andrew Forrest's Solomon Hub over environmental, cultural concerns

Traditional owners in Western Australia's Pilbara have called for a state government inquiry into Fortescue Metal Group's (FMG) Solomon Hub iron ore mine over cultural and environmental concerns.

It is the latest battle in the ongoing dispute between the Pilbara's Yindjibarndi Ngurra Aboriginal Corporation (YNAC) and Andrew Forrest's FMG.

Solomon Hub, which was given state environmental approvals in 2011, operates "without adequate protection of cultural heritage" according to YNAC, which holds exclusive native title rights over the area.

Yindjibarndi man and YNAC chief executive Michael Woodley said Solomon Hub had been a "source of ongoing hurt and distress".

"Our community not only endures poor environmental and cultural management … but our native title rights and interests have also been disrespected," he said.

Plea to environment minister
Solomon Hub was the focus of a long-running native title dispute between YNAC and FMG, with the Federal Court awarding YNAC exclusive native title in 2017.

A compensation agreement between YNAC and FMG is yet to be struck, with the Yindjibarndi seeking upwards of $500 million from Fortescue due to the "economic and cultural loss" caused by mining at the lucrative Solomon Hub operation.

In recent months the corporation made a submission to WA Environment Minister Reece Whitby urging him to authorise an inquiry by the Environmental Protection Authority under section 46 of the Environmental Protection Act 1986, and to add conditions to the 2011 ministerial consent provided to Fortescue:

S46 (1) If the Minister considers that the implementation conditions relating to an approved proposal, or any of them, should be amended (whether because of an amendment to the proposal approved under section 45C or for any other reason), the Minister may request the Authority to inquire into and report on the matter.

Mr Woodley said under Solomon Hub's current conditions it had "officially" destroyed or damaged 249 Yindjibarndi heritage sites, and has previously voiced concerns that 5,000 sacred sites at Solomon were at risk.

He believed conditions placed upon Solomon were "much weaker" than more recent ministerial approvals including Fortescue's Eliwana iron ore mine and the Sanjiv Ridge project operated by Gina Rinehart's Atlas Iron.

"[We want] consistency … in terms of how [the state government] reviews the environmental impact and also the heritage impact to our country, as they have been doing with other neighbouring groups," Mr Woodley said."


Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:20pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/keith-kerinauia-20-sentences-to-life-in-prison-for-murder-of-darwin-bottle-shop-worker-declan-laverty/vi-BB1p5VMS?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=473bf12dca8942cefd5b15f34c0439f6&ei=27&sc=shoreline

Only twenty years...... teacher's pet ....

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:04pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:20pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/keith-kerinauia-20-sentences-to-life-in-prison-for-murder-of-darwin-bottle-shop-worker-declan-laverty/vi-BB1p5VMS?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=473bf12dca8942cefd5b15f34c0439f6&ei=27&sc=shoreline

Only twenty years...... teacher's pet ....


A tragedy and it's good to see him facing consequences for his actions.  It won't bring back the victim but at least he'll be off the streets.

However, this is not lawfare or the voice by stealth.

Caught lying again champ...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:58pm
Oh - just background... not a lie in it... lawfare is trying to get separate laws.... this is one clear reason not to, so has merit, chum .... he won't get away with a slap over the wrist with a damp taro leaf or something... with a bit of luck he might die in custody.... you may consider for yourself if such luck is good or bad... I simply cite 'luck' and leave it in the lap of the gods ... the snakes.. the brolgas... the frogs... whoever ........ slick ....

You'll grow into it one day, son, this understanding of reality .... tiger....

so easy ....    ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

P.S.  When the great change comes - which do ya reckon for him? Aborassic Park under the Elders or Gondwanamo Bay in iso?  Maybe the Reverse Boat People Program and banishment from the realm.... pack yer bags..... sound good, champ?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:19pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:58pm:
Oh - just background... not a lie in it... lawfare is trying to get separate laws.... this is one clear reason not to, so has merit, chum .... he won't get away with a slap over the wrist with a damp taro leaf or something... with a bit of luck he might die in custody.... you may consider for yourself if such luck is good or bad... I simply cite 'luck' and leave it in the lap of the gods ... the snakes.. the brolgas... the frogs... whoever ........ slick ....

You'll grow into it one day, son, this understanding of reality .... tiger....

so easy ....    ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

P.S.  When the great change comes - which do ya reckon for him? Aborassic Park under the Elders or Gondwanamo Bay in iso?  Maybe the Reverse Boat People Program and banishment from the realm.... pack yer bags..... sound good, champ?


Right, so a criminal sentenced to life in prison for murder (with a minimum non-parole of 20 years), is an example of Lawfare used to implement an Indigenous advisory body enshrined in the constitution that will provide advice to parliament on matters that will impact Indigenous Australians.

Or is it the victim's mother Samara Laverty who is now advocating for criminal law reform following her son's tragic death?  Is she trying to implement an Indigenous advisory body enshrined in the constitution that will provide advice to parliament on matters that will impact Indigenous Australians via Lawfare, by stealth?

Or are you just lying again, princess?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Gnads on Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:33pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 4:22pm:
Show Me The Money!!

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/pilbara-traditional-owners-call-for-inquiry-into-andrew-forrest-s-solomon-hub-over-environmental-cultural-concerns/ar-BB1oLuDl?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=134d7c6137184cbc8b5cc095997d7fe3&ei=12

"Pilbara traditional owners call for inquiry into Andrew Forrest's Solomon Hub over environmental, cultural concerns

Traditional owners in Western Australia's Pilbara have called for a state government inquiry into Fortescue Metal Group's (FMG) Solomon Hub iron ore mine over cultural and environmental concerns.

It is the latest battle in the ongoing dispute between the Pilbara's Yindjibarndi Ngurra Aboriginal Corporation (YNAC) and Andrew Forrest's FMG.

Solomon Hub, which was given state environmental approvals in 2011, operates "without adequate protection of cultural heritage" according to YNAC, which holds exclusive native title rights over the area.

Yindjibarndi man and YNAC chief executive Michael Woodley said Solomon Hub had been a "source of ongoing hurt and distress".

"Our community not only endures poor environmental and cultural management … but our native title rights and interests have also been disrespected," he said.

Plea to environment minister
Solomon Hub was the focus of a long-running native title dispute between YNAC and FMG, with the Federal Court awarding YNAC exclusive native title in 2017.

A compensation agreement between YNAC and FMG is yet to be struck, with the Yindjibarndi seeking upwards of $500 million from Fortescue due to the "economic and cultural loss" caused by mining at the lucrative Solomon Hub operation.

In recent months the corporation made a submission to WA Environment Minister Reece Whitby urging him to authorise an inquiry by the Environmental Protection Authority under section 46 of the Environmental Protection Act 1986, and to add conditions to the 2011 ministerial consent provided to Fortescue:

S46 (1) If the Minister considers that the implementation conditions relating to an approved proposal, or any of them, should be amended (whether because of an amendment to the proposal approved under section 45C or for any other reason), the Minister may request the Authority to inquire into and report on the matter.

Mr Woodley said under Solomon Hub's current conditions it had "officially" destroyed or damaged 249 Yindjibarndi heritage sites, and has previously voiced concerns that 5,000 sacred sites at Solomon were at risk.

He believed conditions placed upon Solomon were "much weaker" than more recent ministerial approvals including Fortescue's Eliwana iron ore mine and the Sanjiv Ridge project operated by Gina Rinehart's Atlas Iron.

"[We want] consistency … in terms of how [the state government] reviews the environmental impact and also the heritage impact to our country, as they have been doing with other neighbouring groups," Mr Woodley said."


5,000 sacred sites?  ;D

Never mind $500 million will remove the sacredness.  ::) 

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Gnads on Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:43pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:20pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/keith-kerinauia-20-sentences-to-life-in-prison-for-murder-of-darwin-bottle-shop-worker-declan-laverty/vi-BB1p5VMS?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=473bf12dca8942cefd5b15f34c0439f6&ei=27&sc=shoreline

Only twenty years...... teacher's pet ....


The Judge after hearing all his previous form including previous stabbing attacks says it was just a serious assault gone terribly wrong... :o

you have to be kidding me?

The reporter called it a brief "knife fight" ..... it's not a knife fight unless both are armed with knives.

Declan Laverty didn't have a knife .. he was attacked and stabbed to death.

Throw the keys away.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jul 5th, 2024 at 7:43pm
Another hit from the 16"/38s on Sacka ...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/arrernte-man-william-tilmouth-fears-a-disturbing-narrative-is-spreading-about-alice-springs/ar-BB1pqz6B?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=0334df936bda48ffc9f6f7740a44cb0f&ei=4&sc=shoreline

Ol' Bro's upset about the stereotype - I agree he has a point but it's time for Elders like him to step up and tell it like it is...  we all know they're not all like that................................................................................ maybe 10% are worth saving ...................

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jul 5th, 2024 at 7:45pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:43pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:20pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/keith-kerinauia-20-sentences-to-life-in-prison-for-murder-of-darwin-bottle-shop-worker-declan-laverty/vi-BB1p5VMS?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=473bf12dca8942cefd5b15f34c0439f6&ei=27&sc=shoreline

Only twenty years...... teacher's pet ....


The Judge after hearing all his previous form including previous stabbing attacks says it was just a serious assault gone terribly wrong... :o

you have to be kidding me?

The reporter called it a brief "knife fight" ..... it's not a knife fight unless both are armed with knives.

Declan Laverty didn't have a knife .. he was attacked and stabbed to death.

Throw the keys away.


You are right - 'knife fight' my arse ..... throw the keys away ... carrying and using a deadly weapon in pursuit of a crime and killing some unarmed innocent with it... that's life in my books... without parole and on the chain gang....

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jul 5th, 2024 at 7:51pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:33pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 4:22pm:
Show Me The Money!!

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/pilbara-traditional-owners-call-for-inquiry-into-andrew-forrest-s-solomon-hub-over-environmental-cultural-concerns/ar-BB1oLuDl?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=134d7c6137184cbc8b5cc095997d7fe3&ei=12

"Pilbara traditional owners call for inquiry into Andrew Forrest's Solomon Hub over environmental, cultural concerns

Traditional owners in Western Australia's Pilbara have called for a state government inquiry into Fortescue Metal Group's (FMG) Solomon Hub iron ore mine over cultural and environmental concerns.

It is the latest battle in the ongoing dispute between the Pilbara's Yindjibarndi Ngurra Aboriginal Corporation (YNAC) and Andrew Forrest's FMG.

Solomon Hub, which was given state environmental approvals in 2011, operates "without adequate protection of cultural heritage" according to YNAC, which holds exclusive native title rights over the area.

Yindjibarndi man and YNAC chief executive Michael Woodley said Solomon Hub had been a "source of ongoing hurt and distress".

"Our community not only endures poor environmental and cultural management … but our native title rights and interests have also been disrespected," he said.

Plea to environment minister
Solomon Hub was the focus of a long-running native title dispute between YNAC and FMG, with the Federal Court awarding YNAC exclusive native title in 2017.

A compensation agreement between YNAC and FMG is yet to be struck, with the Yindjibarndi seeking upwards of $500 million from Fortescue due to the "economic and cultural loss" caused by mining at the lucrative Solomon Hub operation.

In recent months the corporation made a submission to WA Environment Minister Reece Whitby urging him to authorise an inquiry by the Environmental Protection Authority under section 46 of the Environmental Protection Act 1986, and to add conditions to the 2011 ministerial consent provided to Fortescue:

S46 (1) If the Minister considers that the implementation conditions relating to an approved proposal, or any of them, should be amended (whether because of an amendment to the proposal approved under section 45C or for any other reason), the Minister may request the Authority to inquire into and report on the matter.

Mr Woodley said under Solomon Hub's current conditions it had "officially" destroyed or damaged 249 Yindjibarndi heritage sites, and has previously voiced concerns that 5,000 sacred sites at Solomon were at risk.

He believed conditions placed upon Solomon were "much weaker" than more recent ministerial approvals including Fortescue's Eliwana iron ore mine and the Sanjiv Ridge project operated by Gina Rinehart's Atlas Iron.

"[We want] consistency … in terms of how [the state government] reviews the environmental impact and also the heritage impact to our country, as they have been doing with other neighbouring groups," Mr Woodley said."


5,000 sacred sites?  ;D

Never mind $500 million will remove the sacredness.  ::) 


I've got me sacred whale watching spots - I'll need a few million if those are closed off... sacred fishing spots.... sacred dog walking tracks .... I need a hound ......  8-)  ... $500m ahould do it... just... but the hurt would be generational....

That's how silly it is - Sacka wont come to the party over Fraser Island - won't go near it for fear of a thrashing..... clearly an Outside mob has no claim over the Island, they don't live there, and their ridiculous claims are that it's all 'sacred'... what a loads of cods - they might go there to fish.... they already have right to free range Open Range there and share usage with others....

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Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jul 6th, 2024 at 5:41pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:19pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:58pm:
Oh - just background... not a lie in it... lawfare is trying to get separate laws.... this is one clear reason not to, so has merit, chum .... he won't get away with a slap over the wrist with a damp taro leaf or something... with a bit of luck he might die in custody.... you may consider for yourself if such luck is good or bad... I simply cite 'luck' and leave it in the lap of the gods ... the snakes.. the brolgas... the frogs... whoever ........ slick ....

You'll grow into it one day, son, this understanding of reality .... tiger....

so easy ....    ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

P.S.  When the great change comes - which do ya reckon for him? Aborassic Park under the Elders or Gondwanamo Bay in iso?  Maybe the Reverse Boat People Program and banishment from the realm.... pack yer bags..... sound good, champ?


Right, so a criminal sentenced to life in prison for murder (with a minimum non-parole of 20 years), is an example of Lawfare used to implement an Indigenous advisory body enshrined in the constitution that will provide advice to parliament on matters that will impact Indigenous Australians.

Or is it the victim's mother Samara Laverty who is now advocating for criminal law reform following her son's tragic death?  Is she trying to implement an Indigenous advisory body enshrined in the constitution that will provide advice to parliament on matters that will impact Indigenous Australians via Lawfare, by stealth?

Or are you just lying again, princess?


I guess we're just doing the "ignore him until he goes away" rather than addressing the elephant in the room.

(FYI, it's the constant lies you're posting about all these examples being evidence of the voice being implemented by stealth)

Perhaps we should start calling you Dumbo, Grap?



Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jul 6th, 2024 at 5:50pm
It's a beautiful example of why there can be no special laws.....  ka-boom ...

You are becoming desperate...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jul 6th, 2024 at 6:30pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 5:50pm:
It's a beautiful example of why there can be no special laws.....  ka-boom ...

You are becoming desperate...


It shows democracy works.

It's a win.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jul 6th, 2024 at 8:27pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 6:30pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 5:50pm:
It's a beautiful example of why there can be no special laws.....  ka-boom ...

You are becoming desperate...


It shows democracy works.

It's a win.


One guarantee, and the price, of liberty is eternal vigilance.... better to point at wolves passing by than to wait for them to attack the village nursery...

You'll get there one day.....risk assessment .... you understand....

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jul 8th, 2024 at 3:52pm
**rattles cage**  That's what you get when you apply different rules as a matter of policy = lawfare to give one set supremacy and special rights.... where is the line of Elders and parents/responsible adults keeping them under control and guiding them into constructive things?  Must be tribal war there - hinted at in that cop blurb..... need another set of rules again... keep the country divided some more, eh?

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/police-lock-down-red-centre-again-after-more-violence/ar-BB1pAl1U?cvid=0924e617d820493894365767e950ed7d&ocid=winp2shoreline&ei=8

"Residents in Alice Springs will be subjected to another curfew following a series of violent assaults, a brawl involving 80 people and a knife attack.

Northern Territory Police issued a three-night public social disorder declaration on Monday for parts of the city from 10pm to 6am.

"The intent of this declaration is to disrupt the behaviours associated with the harm we're seeing in Alice Spring," Commissioner Michael Murphy told reporters.

"It applies to all classes of people - it will apply to adults and it will apply to youths."

Mr Murphy said a series of crimes across the weekend had contributed to the decision to impose the curfew.

These included a large-scale disturbance involving about 80 people in which police were assaulted, a knife attack, the robbery of a service station and the assault of four off-duty police officers on a public street.
The curfew will be imposed on the town centre between Anzac Hill, the Alice Springs Hospital, the Stuart Highway and Leichhardt Terrace, which runs along the Todd River.

"Anyone coming into the zone can be engaged by police and they can be asked to leave or alternatively they can be asked to stay if there is another disturbance for their own safety.," Mr Murphy said.

"A failure to abide in a request by police can lead to an offence and it can lead to an infringement notice or an arrest."

People with legitimate business in the area or those seeking safety will be permitted to enter the zone.

It comes as NAIDOC week celebrations kick off in the town, attracting visitors from across the NT.

Mr Murphy said police would not disturb the annual event and the curfew would help keep those celebrating it safe.

"I'm very aware it's a really important week for the Territory and Australia," he said.

"We all still have a policing presence, but only in the declared area."

The emergency declaration has been made using new laws passed by the Territory parliament in May that let the police commissioner impose a three-day curfew that can be extended to seven days if the police minister approves.

The curfew for all people follows a three-week curfew banning anyone under 18 from the town's centre between 6pm and 6am follow a series of wild brawls in March."

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Jul 8th, 2024 at 4:07pm
"Lawfare" typically refers to the use of legal systems and principles to achieve a goal, often politically motivated, that would normally be accomplished through other means, such as military or direct action. It often involves the use of lawsuits, legal actions, or legal mechanisms to intimidate, burden, or financially deplete an opponent, or to achieve a particular political or strategic outcome.

The story you've posted describes a curfew imposed in Alice Springs following a series of violent incidents. This curfew is an emergency measure taken by the police to restore order and ensure public safety. It involves specific laws passed by the Northern Territory parliament, allowing the police commissioner to impose curfews during times of significant social disorder.

While this situation involves the use of legal authority and new laws to address public safety issues, it does not fall under the concept of "lawfare," as it is not about using legal means to achieve a broader political or strategic goal outside the immediate context of public safety and order.

And it's not an example of The Voice by stealth, but I think it's safe to assume that the aim of this thread has long left the station.  You've made it clear that not everything you post in here is meant to be an example of "lawfare" and you've failed to show any evidence of The Voice by stealth.



Maybe it's time to ask the mods to change the thread title.

"Grap's Unhealthy obsession with an NT focus"

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jul 8th, 2024 at 4:18pm
'typically' - well - it's finally become an avenue for research here at Grappler U and a new and fuller set of definitions will be forthcoming when we are ready to publish...

'lawfare' applies whenever a government constitutes a body and gives that body power - and then orders that department to pursue a certain line using its legalised powers and its deep pockets to crush any opposition...  now why would any government say to national parks that they could close any national park and then declare it unused and then hand it over to special mates?  You'd be happy with that for a mining group?  You DO understand principle, don't you?

Think back on that Indian eye tester lady ..... what's right for one is right for others - it isn't a matter of 'Oh - here you get what you work for within the system and the Tent City Slickers are a by-product of no value anyway' - but back then - as a Settler - you had no such rights and the Humpy City Slickers were a Displaced and Dispossessed group.... as in WTF??...

It's a big issue - needing full review and study ... we're patient - and we listen to every idiot viewpoint...  clearly though - when someone even suggests that discussing one specific case in Toowoomba (arsehole of the universe Mk III) means I am discussing all cases - there is somedink not right in the brain off that Denmark.... that mothra .... such wild fantasies ....

Then you get people who take obsession with a passing comment in response to someone else's post - about some guy fading from a heart attack ..... and go on and on..... then you see those who obsess over their inability to see that the lawfare of closing off a national park icon and handing it over has relevance to lawfare since it shows clearly what a disaster it is in reality ... well - what can you say but re-open the asylums.

There's a room next to you for mothra and dividie and Lefty.... at least we would have one pre-emptive strike against some future Nazi Stalinists who want the country run their way or no way ..... get some of them insulated from the general community to restrict the harm they do.  Be a room there for Albo as well....   8-)

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 8:31am
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/indigenous-teens-at-garma-festival-youth-forum-call-for-school-reform-in-statement-for-action/ar-AA1pcwsG?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=68077ca2f7044503961d590997cbc6cd&ei=10

That 'Garma Festival' still going on?  Who's paying for it?  We want a Calmer Festival.... they have 'abuses of  authority' up there in Arnhem Land?  Who'd 've thunk that?  You don't want the eddication - go for it... we long ago ceased to care out here in Realityland... I cannot tell a lie - them Aboriginal non-attendees are FORCED to not go to school - it's so tough!

"Young Indigenous people say they are fed up with abuses of power from those in authority, empty promises and a "traumatising", culturally insensitive education system.

The authors of a statement created earlier this month at the Garma Festival, held in north-east Arnhem Land in the Northern Territory, say it is time their voices were heard.

The document lists a broad range of issues, but the contributors who spoke to BTN High all identified the education system as a major point of concern.

"School's tough," Abby Duncan, 15, said.

"I think it's tough for everybody, but it's definitely tough in the Northern Territory, at my school in particular.

"Middle school is very rowdy — I've had conflicts with teachers, a lot of violence and stuff, and it can be quite traumatising for certain people."

Between 2019 and 2022 the national attendance rate for First Nations students dropped by 7 per cent.
In 2022 the attendance rate for Indigenous students in year 10 sat at 65 per cent.

The rate for non-Indigenous year 10 students was 84 per cent."


She's had conflicts with teachers?  - well - that must be the fault of the teachers and the system right?  Kids can think that way... then they grow up the same way and become 'activists' and 'true believers' and such ..... and impose their ideas on others while unconsciously continuing to live the downward path to The Nightmare and ending up the same as their forebears. 

FREEEEEDOOOM, innit?

'culturally insensitive' - translates - 'separate but equal' ...... thank you all for coming.... we'll call you if we need you ...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 4:12pm
Been lookin' for this one... sniffing out government double-dealing - sheilas of course - they'll nay get the (actually despised by them) Aborigines by assimilatin' 'em - they'll poison the water... cunning, no?:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/foi-documents-show-eva-lawler-approved-controversial-water-plan-in-two-days-while-environment-minister-was-on-holiday/ar-AA1pcEt8?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=a7ccd7670d16430aa2b15bedf4300e22&ei=5

"Last year, the Northern Territory's current chief minister approved a controversial water allocation plan with no water advisory committee, and against the wishes of traditional owners, while the environment minister was on holiday.

At the time of approval, the plan was condemned as the "worst water decision" in years, as it concluded that 210,000 megalitres — enough to fill roughly 100,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools — could be sustainably pumped from the groundwater every year

Now, a ministerial brief obtained under Freedom of Information (FOI) and shared with the ABC has revealed that the Georgina Wiso Water Allocation Plan – the largest in the NT's history – was pushed through by an acting minister, who took just two working days to consider it.

That minister was Eva Lawler, the Northern Territory's current chief minister.

"I believe that a window was seen and seized opportunistically to push through this water allocation," says Kirsty Howey, executive director of the Environment Centre NT.

The revelations follow this week's ABC's Four Corners, which looked into allegations of water licence mismanagement, cosy deals, silencing experts, and ignoring traditional owners to support the development of a lucrative cotton industry in the territory.

Ms Lawler, who was not chief minister at the time, was appointed acting NT environment minister on October 31, 2023.

A few days later, the ministerial brief, running almost 100 pages long and marked high priority, landed on her desk.

The report referenced concerns from environment groups over water mining for fracking in the Beetaloo Basin, and a letter from the powerful Northern and Central Land councils stating issues that needed to be resolved before they would support the plan.

It also revealed that concerns had been raised by environment organisations, traditional owners and community groups over the development of the plan without a water advisory committee.

Earlier in 2022, 18 water experts from universities across the country had written to the NT government expressing concern about the draft Georgina Wiso plan, describing it as "particularly poor and regressive".

Despite this, the document was signed by Ms Lawler within two days.

At a press conference on Tuesday, Ms Lawler defended her decision.

"Just to be clear, I was the environment minister, I think probably for three or four years, so have had lots of briefings, lots of understanding of the issues around water," she said.

She said the plan had "many many years" of work behind it, and reports don't "just arrive on a minister's desk".

"As an experienced minister, it is about getting your head across it, reading the detail and making a decision," she said.

Earlier, she told Four Corners she did not hurry the approval process.

"I don't think two days is a rush," she said.

"That gave me plenty of time, if I have a briefing, to be able to read a report and respond to that report."

The Georgina Wiso Water Allocation Plan is a legal framework that sets rules for managing the extraction and use of groundwater in a region that covers an area twice the size of Tasmania, from Daly Waters in the north to beyond Tennant Creek in the south.

Within this lies a significant portion of the Beetaloo Basin, where a controversial fracking industry has been given the green light to go ahead.

Ms Howey said the documents revealed "almost universal opposition" to the plan and a "compromised government".

"What it says to me is that we have got decision-makers in the Northern Territory who are willing to sacrifice not just our rivers and aquifers, but [also] sound decision-making and community views, in order to ensure that industry has the water that they need," she said.

Arid Lands Environment Centre chief executive Adrian Tomlinson said "the policies of successive governments have paved the way for massive amounts of water [to be] taken from aquifers", which he said threatened groundwater-dependent ecosystems, fishing and tourism.

“Whilst the spotlight placed on this scandal by Four Corners is certainly welcome, this is by far not the first time that both the NT and federal governments have been warned of these matters, including by communities themselves," he said.

Conservation groups, the Environment Centre NT and Arid Lands Environment Centre are now calling for a royal commission into water management and for the NT government to suspend new water licensing and water allocations in the Roper system."

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Sep 10th, 2024 at 11:50am
Boil dat blood:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/group-of-first-nations-community-leaders-calling-for-indigenous-water-governance-body/vi-AA1qdCxA?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=8c027d0369c2420b8e8a2a73fc687375&ei=5#details

"A group of local residents from the Northern Territory’s Gulf region have travelled to Canberra to advocate for better water protections. They say they will be meeting with Senators and calling for a royal commission and funding to set up an Indigenous water governance body."

Part of the Voice Manifesto - control of water... 'land, water and resources' ... a minority wants to dictate how, when and why and where these things can be used.

This can never end well.  If you think the last Invasion was bad - wait for the next one.. the one of all the grifters and graspers of the world who've been living on a rupee a day or a Plaguistani drachma a week, and they arrive here and want to cut out a slice of the corpse of Australia as it fills to overflowing with people who do not share our moral values ..... the Tribal Conflict To End All Tribal Conflicts ...

This Can Never End Well.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Sep 10th, 2024 at 12:09pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/indigenous-residents-dismayed-jabiru-town-camp-to-be-demolished-to-make-way-for-kakadu-tourism-road/vi-AA1qe5PG?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=60d305f452c8476befa1f5eeab7b703b&ei=25

Ride over 'em say the other tribe.  Aborigines United - way to make a treaty, eh?

Lift dat cotton and stew deir ass:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/incompetence-federal-government-shuts-down-jabiluka-uranium-mine/ar-AA1qfkE7?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=47d7210c4d32447ffe8294efa76596b9&ei=16

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Sep 20th, 2024 at 2:15pm
Here we go - more division ... this can never end well....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/northern-territory-s-second-community-court-established-in-kintore-central-australia-through-local-law-and-justice-group/ar-AA1qRBfz?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=e9a6be111b934daed3da6b61ad913223&ei=9

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Sep 26th, 2024 at 11:56am
My god - how the janga rolls on..... trying to pump up a dying created business:-

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/ten-years-ago-i-visited-uluru-with-william-and-kate-now-i-am-back-with-my-own-family/ar-AA1r1A9n?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=a90c669b341d41b483c6cd9999c12e77&ei=27

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Sep 26th, 2024 at 12:16pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 11:56am:
My god - how the janga rolls on..... trying to pump up a dying created business:-

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/ten-years-ago-i-visited-uluru-with-william-and-kate-now-i-am-back-with-my-own-family/ar-AA1r1A9n?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=a90c669b341d41b483c6cd9999c12e77&ei=27


Again, not "Lawfare".

It is utterly inconceivable how this could provoke such a reaction from you. As with so many matters over which you appear unable to restrain your emotions and sense of victimhood, you feel compelled to weigh in on a story penned by a journalist that casts a positive light on something connected to Indigenous Australians, Uluru, in this instance.


Quote:
A decade ago, I joined a huge group of international journalists standing in the red dirt of the Australian Outback, craning our necks, pointing our cameras and sweating in the relentless heat. We were waiting for the then Duke and Duchess of Cambridge to appear.

So exactly 10 years after it first made an impression on me, I am back, this time with my family.

As we flew towards the sunburnt heart of Australia, I shared some facts with the kids about this “rock star”. It’s about 600 million years old and used to sit on the bottom of an ancient seabed. It’s the world’s largest single rock, taller than the Eiffel Tower and, like an iceberg, most of it is out of view underground.

What must surveyor William Gosse have thought when he stumbled across the landmark in 1873? He named it after the then chief secretary of South Australia, Sir Henry Ayers. In 1993, it was returned to the traditional Aboriginal name Uluru.

It is hard to describe how staggeringly beautiful Uluru is. Its colour constantly shifts as the sun sets, from rusty red to orange to crimson and all shades in between. Shadows slowly move across the rock until it is completely in darkness. When the sun, rises the colours reappear in reverse.


It is disconcerting how remarkably thin-skinned you are, that the mere mention of anything pertaining to Indigenous matters, something you actively seek out, no less, provokes such an emotional response.

Your behaviour has long ceased to be amusing; it is now simply melancholic. Were it not for the profoundly solitary and callous nature you exhibit, I might even extend pity to you. Yours must be a truly torturous existence.

It is hardly surprising that you perceive the world as hostile, interpreting every interaction, particularly those involving Indigenous Australians, as a personal affront.

Your continual tendency to insert yourself into these discussions, as though they are intentional attacks upon you, is deeply unhealthy and concerning.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Sep 26th, 2024 at 6:47pm
Anything generated from legislation or imposition by government body is a part of lawfare.  If it takes the use of law or changes to law to get it back, if it is generated by a statutory body, it is lawfare.  Get used to it, you big, bluff, internet bruiser, you.

Once you declare lawfare against your own people, the consequences are incalculable.

I knew I'd get you with that one - hook, line and sinker.... but you - as usual - miss the point - the ganja is required to be laid on thick because the 'business' set up for the Abos who excluded everyone else is failing due to lack of interest.

May it prosper fully into the ground and a new Awakening occur for OUR Ayers Rock.

You can smell the end of all this Aboriginal Supremacism nonsense coming now..... the people have had enough.

;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D                                                            ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D                                                  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Sep 27th, 2024 at 11:28am
So the public holiday in Victoria today for the AFL grand final is Lawfare?

How many times are you going to have to redefine what lawfare is!?

You might as well just say "It's what ever I want it to be".

You did it for The Voice after all...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Sep 27th, 2024 at 12:03pm
Nothing redefined about it, kid - never been defined for you - just pointing out examples. Just accept that the entire voice by stealth campaign is lawfare, and you'll be OK.

Bloody Victorians....  your arguments are getting more ephemeral every day.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Sep 27th, 2024 at 12:08pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 27th, 2024 at 12:03pm:
Nothing redefined about it, kid - never been defined for you - just pointing out examples. Just accept that the entire voice by stealth campaign is lawfare, and you'll be OK.


If you haven't defined it, you can't expect anyone to "just accept" it.

You tried that with The Voice and got humiliated, so it's no surprise you'll run from it around lawfare too.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Sep 27th, 2024 at 12:25pm
Not my job to define it - just comment on the plain as day aspects that arise daily.  Not my fault that you refuse to even see it.  You reckon there's no Voice By Stealth occurring at Labor State level, and in cahoots with Albo etc.

You choose to be blind.  Throw away that bleach...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Sep 27th, 2024 at 12:30pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 27th, 2024 at 12:25pm:
Not my job to define it - just comment on the plain as day aspects that arise daily.  Not my fault that you refuse to even see it.  You reckon there's no Voice By Stealth occurring at Labor State level, and in cahoots with Albo etc.

You choose to be blind.  Throw away that bleach...


The Voice was clearly defined, you kept attributing anything indigenous as being the voice, or the voice by stealth.

You've somewhat changed that now after a stunning backdown in the face of defeat and simply call it "lawfare".

But just like you tried to make "the voice" a generic term for you to hide behind when pushing your hate, you're trying to do that now for "lawfare".

You're a one-trick donkey, and we're frankly over the trick.

You hate Indigenous Australians and are jealous of every time an issue that even barely involves them makes it into the news, so jealous it makes you angry and you cannot fight the urge to rage post about it here.

We're over it.

It does nothing for this place, it does nothing for Indigenous Australians and it does nothing for the country.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Sep 27th, 2024 at 12:36pm
Yep - all 26 pages of it.  No problem-o.  Now we are seeing 'control over land, water and resources' being pushed at State level, along with all the other components.  Now a track once used is a 'songline' steeped in mythical importance - a spearhead and fish net from a museum are shattering news about the restoration of the 'culture'- claim your ancestors used a track across some tract of land - claim the lot....... all just overblown nonsense to support the insupportable - the imposition of a minority outworn cave-man approach to civilisation and culture and land OWNERSHIP by conquest of one group over another on everyone else.

Just a simple one page request - with a huge codicil attached to it.

You're not that stupid. Wait a minute....

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Sep 27th, 2024 at 12:44pm
I never said everything you post is wrong.  Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

I simply pointed out that Indigenous artifacts being returned to their homeland is not lawfare, just like a journo writing about Uluru and visiting it again now after 10+ years, which triggered a colossal meltdown over multiple threads because you know that I'm right.

The only thing you hate more than Indigenous Australians is when I'm right and you're wrong.

Even your most generic interpretation of lawfare, which as I said would include the public holiday in Vic today if taken at face value, isn't enough to encapsulate that.

You need to pick your battles better.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Sep 27th, 2024 at 1:21pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 27th, 2024 at 12:44pm:
I never said everything you post is wrong.  Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

I simply pointed out that Indigenous artifacts being returned to their homeland is not lawfare, just like a journo writing about Uluru and visiting it again now after 10+ years, which triggered a colossal meltdown over multiple threads because you know that I'm right.

The only thing you hate more than Indigenous Australians is when I'm right and you're wrong.

Even your most generic interpretation of lawfare, which as I said would include the public holiday in Vic today if taken at face value, isn't enough to encapsulate that.

You need to pick your battles better.



I'm winning on all fronts.    ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  Only a fool imagines that the current rush of blood to the head with all its ridiculous demands will continue.. claim Redland - 3600 homes - see how you go.

I don't hate anyone - I deal with issues... many of them say they want their own homeland where they can do things their way (Tarneen Whalechick)... I say give it to them - those who want to assimilate can stay.  Gondwanamo is for the recalcitrants and career criminal types.

You just haven't got your thinking straight... it's a chick thing fed by Labor lies.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Sep 30th, 2024 at 7:30pm
Skirting the edges of the law and exploiting loopholes such as 'too young' are guerrilla lawfare - when it is a deliberate campaign to assault and injure it is guerrilla warfare:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/extra-police-deployed-to-alice-springs-after-officers-allegedly-targeted-in-violent-weekend-of-crime/ar-AA1rrNkt?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=02b614c4a1c14f16d0d0ebcf83f25ae2&ei=5

Extra police deployed to Alice Springs after officers allegedly targeted in violent weekend of crime


"The Northern Territory police union has condemned a string of violent incidents at the weekend targeting police, claiming local members are being treated like "the community’s punching bags".

NT Police recommenced Operation Archer on Saturday in response to the incidents, which allegedly saw young offenders throw rocks at police, leaving one female officer hospitalised.

The operation, which was previously deployed in August this year, aims to tackle high-risk stolen motor vehicle crimes and has seen additional police deployed to the outback town from Darwin in recent days.

It comes after six people, aged 13 to 20, were arrested overnight Thursday after allegedly taking a stolen car on a joy ride through the CBD, throwing rocks at police and ramming into the back of a police car.

They allegedly later trashed a parked police car before damaging two officers' personal vehicles and smashing the windows of two security vehicles, leaving a security guard with facial injuries.

Five of the alleged offenders appeared in youth court today, with a sixth child to be dealt with under the youth justice act.

Police allege the following night, a group of offenders recklessly drove a stolen car through the CBD, smashing the windscreen of a police car with a rock and injuring a female officer.

She was taken to Alice Springs hospital to have a piece of glass removed from her eye.

"We've got four suspects that we're actively pursuing ... and they're aged between 15 to 17 years of age," Southern Commander James Gray-Spence said.

Late Saturday night, a group of offenders allegedly drove another stolen car dangerously through the CBD, throwing rocks at police and other frontline workers, damaging vehicles but injuring no-one.

Hours later, a security guard was allegedly robbed of his car keys at knifepoint near the Olive Pink Botanical Gardens.

Police eventually managed to apprehend the guard's stolen vehicle after a tense pursuit in which occupants allegedly threw "projectiles", including fireworks, at police.

They arrested seven children, with an 11-year-old later released "into the care of a responsible adult" and two 12-year-olds and two 13-year-olds dealt with under the youth justice act.

The two other alleged offenders, aged 14 and 15, have been charged with robbery, unlawful use of a motor vehicle and violent disorder, and faced the youth court today.

Commander Gray-Spence said he believed the incidents on Saturday and Sunday were linked.

Northern Territory Police Association president Nathan Finn said it was "extremely concerning" vehicles were being "weaponised" against police.

"[These events] are becoming all too common for our members," he said.

"Over the previous 12-month period, we have seen a 45 per cent increase in assaults against our members. This is a significant and disturbing statistic."

He urged the new Country Liberal Party government to take a more “tough on crime” approach, including stricter mandatory sentencing.

"Our members are not the community’s punching bags," he said.

Assistant Commissioner Janelle Tonkin said she was deeply concerned by these "incredibly dangerous behaviours", particularly after an 18-year-old was killed in a similar incident in March.

She said there was an "attention-seeking element" to this offending and urged people to avoid posting videos of the incidents on social media.

"That only seeks to fuel the risk-taking behaviour by these young people," she said.


Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 5th, 2024 at 4:01pm
Let's get 'em up and riling for the Long Weekend.... you have to ask why this guy had to run that gauntlet... and exactly what the "myriad experts – adolescent health practitioners, law and justice groups, children's commissioners and the Productivity Commission among them" actually propose to do to resolve the problems:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/clp-government-stands-by-its-plan-to-make-nt-become-first-jurisdiction-to-lower-criminal-age/ar-AA1rIuK8?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=a1c15ebf1e17458bbab8eb8144fecf2e&ei=10

"When he looks out at the sea of young, mainly Aboriginal faces in his audiences, Levi Nichaloff knows more than most about the challenging paths many of them have to walk.

The Northern Territory rapper and musician, who goes by the stage name Yung Milla, spent his own childhood running the gauntlet of trying to avoid the criminal justice system.

"Growing up we was around a lot of violence, a lot of drugs, unstable household," he said.

Other than a small brush with the law last year, Nichaloff has managed to claw his way out of that cycle, and now has a burgeoning career in the territory's music industry.

But he fears that a new law coming into the NT, which will see the age of criminal responsibility lowered to 10 from 12, could see other young Aboriginal kids caught up in the justice system.

"Putting them behind bars is not going to help them," Nichaloff said.

"It's going to scar them. It's going to make them worse for the future."

The Country Liberal Party's (CLP) incoming law will make the NT Australia's first jurisdiction to lower the age of criminal responsibility, after previously raising it.

It comes after a years-long push by legal advocates for all jurisdictions to raise the age to 14.

It's a claim backed by the evidence of myriad experts – adolescent health practitioners, law and justice groups, children's commissioners and the Productivity Commission among them.

Professor Susan Sawyer, the director of the Centre for Adolescent Health at the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne, said the law had left physicians around Australia dismayed.

"These are young children we're talking about, these are not hardened criminals," she said.

"The further the penetration into the youth justice system, the greater the risks for young people, as we experience in terms of deaths in custody, for example."

The law change hasn't come from nowhere.

The CLP swept into power in a landslide NT election victory in August, after campaigning on a suite of promises to harden laws to try to bring down the territory's high crime rates.

Central to those pledges was the promise to lower the age of criminal responsibility back to 10, which will come around two years since Territory Labor passed legislation to raise it from 10 to 12."

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 5th, 2024 at 4:32pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 5th, 2024 at 4:01pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/clp-government-stands-by-its-plan-to-make-nt-become-first-jurisdiction-to-lower-criminal-age/ar-AA1rIuK8?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=a1c15ebf1e17458bbab8eb8144fecf2e&ei=10

Did you actually read the article?

Firstly, as this seems to go without saying, this as usual is not an example of lawfare trying to implement the voice by stealth.  I'd mock you by saying it was a good try, but it wasn't even that.  It's just another lazy attempt to paint an Indigenous issue as negative without even addressing it.

Second, rather than addressing the issue raised, you’ve used this as a springboard to discuss a tangentially related topic, ignoring the substance of the article.

Would you care to engage with the actual matter at hand? To summarise:

Levi Nichaloff, known as rapper Yung Milla, expresses concern about the NT's new law lowering the age of criminal responsibility from 12 to 10, fearing it will disproportionately harm Aboriginal youth. Drawing from his own upbringing, he believes this will worsen outcomes for children. Experts, such as Professor Susan Sawyer, echo these concerns, warning of deeper entrenchment in the justice system. This law is part of the CLP's tough-on-crime approach after their recent electoral victory.

In the past, you've expressed what appeared to be concern for the women and children in these communities.  Sure, your solutions that involved genocide, segregation or apartheid would put that pantomime concern into context, but let's be incredibly and undeservedly generous and give you the benefit of the doubt and consider that concern to be genuine.

Now, you have the opportunity to weigh in, after hearing the perspectives of someone with lived experience and an expert in adolescent health.

Can you offer your thoughts on the actual topic under discussion from the point of view of what might be better for the children impacted by this from the communities you're so obsessed with degrading?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 5th, 2024 at 4:58pm
Oooh - you are a raver, aren't you?  I merely posted the news article and off you go into another of your insane rants....

YOU've had direct experience dealing with suffering kids?  No wonder the failure rate is so high...

Now the big question is ... do YOU have any answers... I merely asked - you raved again... fish on a hook....   ;D  ;D  ;D

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 6th, 2024 at 6:23am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 5th, 2024 at 4:58pm:
Oooh - you are a raver, aren't you?  I merely posted the news article and off you go into another of your insane rants....

See mate, this is why nobody wants to engage with you.

It wasn't even a rant, something I can be good at.  It was a simple question.

You've posted something in your Lawfare thread, so that implies you think it's an example of Lawfare.

After reading it, it has nothing to do with it as usual.

Then you've been deliberately confrontational and combative with your commentary of it,


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 5th, 2024 at 4:01pm:
Let's get 'em up and riling for the Long Weekend....


Then you go on to question those questioning this solution would do to help the actual problem.

Ok.

But when someone asks you what you think should be done instead, you pretend to be the victim of a rant and won't offer your opinion, instead offering an admission that you're just posting news in this thread now,


Quote:
I merely posted the news article


So let's try again, if you're so concerned with the people in these communities, what would you do to help these children?

You can deflect again if you want, but I think we'd all like to know.  You're great at highlighting the problems and repeating them over and over, assigning blame everywhere but to those you identify with, so it would be nice, for a change, if you offered a solution, a real-world one, that you so demand from others.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by mothra on Oct 6th, 2024 at 9:38am
Correct me if i'm wrong, but is Crappler having a cry about "lawfare" because the age of criminal responsibility is being lowered from 12 to 10?

He's just Pavlov's dog at this point, isn't he. See's the word "Aboriginal" and he posts a link to it in one of his multitude of threads that remain ignored by the majority of Ozpol, utterly oblivious of context.

It would be funny if it weren't a clear sign of something being very wrong.


Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 6th, 2024 at 12:07pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6th, 2024 at 9:38am:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but is Crappler having a cry about "lawfare" because the age of criminal responsibility is being lowered from 12 to 10?

He's just Pavlov's dog at this point, isn't he. See's the word "Aboriginal" and he posts a link to it in one of his multitude of threads that remain ignored by the majority of Ozpol, utterly oblivious of context.

It would be funny if it weren't a clear sign of something being very wrong.


This is what it appears to be, hence why I've tried to give him a chance, perhaps the last, to engage in good faith.

He already threw it back in my face, so I've tried again.

Will see if he comes to the table or if he'll choose to remove any doubt about his true intentions.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by aquascoot on Oct 6th, 2024 at 4:50pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 6th, 2024 at 6:23am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 5th, 2024 at 4:58pm:
Oooh - you are a raver, aren't you?  I merely posted the news article and off you go into another of your insane rants....

See mate, this is why nobody wants to engage with you.

It wasn't even a rant, something I can be good at.  It was a simple question.

You've posted something in your Lawfare thread, so that implies you think it's an example of Lawfare.

After reading it, it has nothing to do with it as usual.

Then you've been deliberately confrontational and combative with your commentary of it,


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 5th, 2024 at 4:01pm:
Let's get 'em up and riling for the Long Weekend....


Then you go on to question those questioning this solution would do to help the actual problem.

Ok.

But when someone asks you what you think should be done instead, you pretend to be the victim of a rant and won't offer your opinion, instead offering an admission that you're just posting news in this thread now,


Quote:
I merely posted the news article


So let's try again, if you're so concerned with the people in these communities, what would you do to help these children?

You can deflect again if you want, but I think we'd all like to know.  You're great at highlighting the problems and repeating them over and over, assigning blame everywhere but to those you identify with, so it would be nice, for a change, if you offered a solution, a real-world one, that you so demand from others.



good question

since communities are going backwards on 17 of the 19 parameters used to judge the "closing the gap" initiative, we certainly need to stop doing what we are currently doing

as a grandfather of 3 great indigneous boys (my son in law is indigenous), what i would say is what Oprah said

if you want to ruin someones life tell them they are a victim and then give them cash they didnt earn

so keeping people who "set the bar low" away from communities is vital

stop the victim identity, stop the sit down money and set the bar high

then people will climb up to get over the bar and feel legitimate self esteem and join me on
"the narrow road to success" .

i am not kidding when i say i am mentoring my second grandson to become prime minister one day.

when i walk him home from school, i am in awe of his popularity.

he is like a little donald trump

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 7th, 2024 at 10:21am

mothra wrote on Oct 6th, 2024 at 9:38am:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but is Crappler having a cry about "lawfare" because the age of criminal responsibility is being lowered from 12 to 10?

He's just Pavlov's dog at this point, isn't he. See's the word "Aboriginal" and he posts a link to it in one of his multitude of threads that remain ignored by the majority of Ozpol, utterly oblivious of context.

It would be funny if it weren't a clear sign of something being very wrong.



I asked Leftie - sorry Skanka - who considers self an expert - for hir solutions instead of the raving.... of course hshe's only 'trying to debate' right?

So if a Lawfare move is sort of against young Aboriginals and is not a real long-term solution, and I raise that - this is cause for criticism?  Are you daft?  I'm neutral in all this.... clearly you are a rabid supporter or one side....

Again not one word of yours addresses the issue..... you pair are laughable.    ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 7th, 2024 at 10:44am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 10:21am:

mothra wrote on Oct 6th, 2024 at 9:38am:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but is Crappler having a cry about "lawfare" because the age of criminal responsibility is being lowered from 12 to 10?

He's just Pavlov's dog at this point, isn't he. See's the word "Aboriginal" and he posts a link to it in one of his multitude of threads that remain ignored by the majority of Ozpol, utterly oblivious of context.

It would be funny if it weren't a clear sign of something being very wrong.



I asked Leftie - sorry Skanka - who considers self an expert - for hir solutions instead of the raving.... of course hshe's only 'trying to debate' right?

So if a Lawfare move is sort of against young Aboriginals and is not a real long-term solution, and I raise that - this is cause for criticism?  Are you daft?  I'm neutral in all this.... clearly you are a rabid supporter or one side....

Again not one word of yours addresses the issue..... you pair are laughable.    ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D


You are now 0 for 2.

You’ve been presented with yet another opportunity to offer your insights, but once again, you’ve elected to let it pass through to the keeper without engagement.

Let’s examine the situation in more detail.

You’ve initiated several threads outlining what you perceive as examples of "lawfare," attempting to circumvent the outcome of the referendum and implement the Voice to Parliament covertly.

The volume of these purported instances is so extensive that you've categorised them into separate threads based on states and territories.

Your claims of impartiality and merely sharing news are inconsistent with the clear intent of these threads, which are designed to expose what you personally regard as lawfare.

Moreover, you impose a demand on others engaging in these discussions to provide their views on resolving the issues you highlight. Yet, you conspicuously avoid doing so yourself.

This reluctance exists against the backdrop of your past proposals, which have invoked comparisons to policies resembling genocide, apartheid, a new Stolen Generation, and the segregation of Indigenous Australians into what you envisioned as hermetically sealed, zoo-like enclosures, complete with hunting licenses sold to the wealthy.

Thus, we are left with two critical points, both undermined by your own actions.

First, you are not merely sharing news; you are actively promoting your opinions, rendering the notion of "simply raising awareness" untenable.

Second, your claim to be acting out of compassion is fundamentally incompatible with your previously expressed views and desires concerning Indigenous Australians.

Therefore, for a third time, I ask: If you are to maintain the charade that you genuinely care for, at the very least, the women and children in these communities, and in light of the concerns raised in the latest article you’ve shared, which, incidentally, does not fit your own definition of lawfare, would you care to finally offer your thoughts on how the children at risk mentioned in this article might be assisted?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 7th, 2024 at 11:40am
Anything involving law and used for unwarranted gain is lawfare.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:02pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 11:40am:
Anything involving law and used for unwarranted gain is lawfare.


0 for 3.

So how is this article even an example of that?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:14pm
It is.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:23pm
Well, I tried.

All you've done is prove this right,


ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 3rd, 2024 at 1:21pm:
It's not that nobody cares, it's just we know you don't and attempting to engage with you in good faith goes nowhere.

You're being ignored, because there is nothing to be gained by engaging with you and it only helps you platform your hate.

This is the consequences of your actions.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:48pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Apr 30th, 2024 at 3:51pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/nt-independent-mp-raises-questions-over-funding-for-alice-springs/ar-AA1nTQoz?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=e8746dcc47fa49b98b8afb28dd64a544&ei=5&sc=shoreline

Another one joins the outcry ... we all know where the money is..... wink, wink... nudge, nudge ...


You might know "where the money is", but you don't have a clue what money is.....

(I like that, even if I said it myself...)

So you resort to 'personal responsibility' determining who has access to money.

Deplorable. 

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 9th, 2024 at 6:24pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:23pm:
Well, I tried.

All you've done is prove this right,


ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 3rd, 2024 at 1:21pm:
It's not that nobody cares, it's just we know you don't and attempting to engage with you in good faith goes nowhere.

You're being ignored, because there is nothing to be gained by engaging with you and it only helps you platform your hate.

This is the consequences of your actions.


Indeed - you are very trying... and trying desperately to make some point...

Now then - about your segregationist aboriginal activists..... those Apartheidists.... those racists ...

I have no hate - I want them all to come into the fold in brotherly love ... and unlike some here - you know them in the mirror - I am not part of the problem but part of the solution in trying to get them on the right track instead of stomping around raising Cain and getting deeper into the mire under the tutelage of the false left like you .......

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 9th, 2024 at 10:36pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 9th, 2024 at 6:24pm:
I have no hate


Do you really expect anyone to believe that, after this:


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 11:05pm:
Give 'em a homeland - let 'em duke it out..... build a wall around it, have a hermetically sealed tunnel a la Jurassic Park under a sealed clear roof so visitors can travel on electric cars and observe the wildlife in action..... glass tunnel goes around in a huge circle and ends up back at the car park and restaurant.... perhaps down the track boutique hunting trips could be set up and rich pricks come in to shoot one or two as the bag limit states ......




Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 20th, 2023 at 12:28pm:
Force 'em all into a job even if it's mowing their own lawn .... don't let 'em sit around thinking they're about to inherit billions from being the first settlers..... they lost .... you don't make unequal treaties in favour of the loser.....

Unconditional Surrender!  That's where Albo is leading them...

Cheaper to round 'em all up and ship 'em all out back to where they came from .........................

Jeez - someone on Twitter today said that if the voice passed, it would lead to civil war amongst the Indigenous groups..... I had to add, not to mention with All Others once they wake up to what they'd done to themselves.

Genocide then would be a lighter option........ **dreams of Aborassic Park and Gondwanamo Bay** .. the peaceful solution..... total apartheid as they themselves demand ..... bloody lot cheaper than sustaining the bastards while they riot, steal and demand without cease... set aside a nice swathe and put 'em all in there......



Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 9th, 2019 at 11:08pm:
Be a lot less trouble today if they'd gotten rid of all the Boongs... the Poms need to go back and re-plan their Invasion to get it right...



Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:43pm:


Niqqer Free Zone!



Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:20am:
..I see a storm coming...... not now... not here.. but soon ...... no wonder the 'government' bends over backwards to dilute the Australian gene.... what towel-head or burkha'd sheila would consider Ayers Rock as a national sacred site?

They never heard of it..... have no idea what Australia is ..... and care even less.....

Maybe if they cut down the Australian gene to a low enough percentage, nobody will be left to protest any insanity pushed on the nation... ah .... that's the game plan....



Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:05am:
So ..... since climbing is now banned, according to that sign.... you know ... PERMANENT CLOSURE ..... any bleck seen climbing it can be shot on sight?




Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:06pm:
The best punishment for some is a zip tie around the neck.... just saying.



Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 6th, 2024 at 11:29pm:

JC Denton wrote on Mar 6th, 2024 at 9:44pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 6th, 2024 at 9:34pm:
... at least he didn't zip tie them and throw them back in the pool ....

Was he another White Cheeser? Got the build... they hide his face... assuming that's him and not some passerby ...


wtf is a cheeser



Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 9th, 2024 at 11:23pm
No hate in that.  You are an extremist and a fantasist.

What IS your problem with a cheese named after its creator?

"Edward William Coon (31 July 1871 – 12 January 1934) was an American produce merchant and cheesemaker, who patented a cheese-ripening process that eschewed pasteurization, instead retaining the live bacteria to produce a cheese that was said to be more easily digested and have a more attractive flavor."

Activists had no right whatsoever to impugn his good name. The cheese name had nothing to do with them.  The Poms can never re-plan their invasion... and so on and so forth.

I'm not going to argue every point with you.  Get on with solving their real problems... don't get all wound up over little things that mean nothing....  you'll blow a gasket and end up one of those zip tied - I didn't mention any group there... you had no right to include it ....

Now what else can I use to get you going?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 9th, 2024 at 11:41pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 9th, 2024 at 11:23pm:
No hate in that.  You are an extremist and a fantasist.


It’s spelled out in the clearest, most damning terms.

Segregation, reducing them to a grotesque spectacle, selling tickets for hunting parties, circumventing filters to spit the N-word, openly advocating for their execution on sight, calling for genocide as both a present solution and lamenting that the British didn't finish the job. And yet, after all of this venom, you have the audacity to claim you don't hate them?

And we know what you meant by white cheeser...


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I'm not going to argue every point with you. 


Because you can't.  It's literally there in back and white.


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Get on with solving their real problems... don't get all wound up over little things that mean nothing....  you'll blow a gasket and end up one of those zip tied - I didn't mention any group there... you had no right to include it ....


Let’s not kid ourselves. You said every single one of those things. No one put a gun to your head, no one twisted your arm. These were your words, and worse still, you've echoed these sentiments repeatedly, without an ounce of remorse.

You can't even muster the courage to offer an opinion on an article you posted yourself, yet you expect anyone to believe, in the wake of the vile things you've advocated, that you're somehow serious about solving these issues?

We’ve already heard your so-called "solutions." You've made them crystal clear.

You’re not fooling anyone.

The only thing that's a mystery is why this place condones that sort of hate.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 10th, 2024 at 11:40am
Still going on about their demand for Apartheid as if it was someone else's call.

That ends it until you get your mind right, Flake.  Until you can accept that it was THEY who demanded segregation and apartheid, you will never progress.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 10th, 2024 at 11:51am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 10th, 2024 at 11:40am:
Still going on about their demand for Apartheid as if it was someone else's call.

That ends it until you get your mind right, Flake.  Until you can accept that it was THEY who demanded segregation and apartheid, you will never progress.


You are a spineless coward, spewing vile hatred yet crumbling pathetically the moment anyone dares to expose your venomous hypocrisy. You talk big, but the second light is cast on your despicable behaviour, you shrink like a worm under a rock.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 10th, 2024 at 10:06pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 10th, 2024 at 11:51am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 10th, 2024 at 11:40am:
Still going on about their demand for Apartheid as if it was someone else's call.

That ends it until you get your mind right, Flake.  Until you can accept that it was THEY who demanded segregation and apartheid, you will never progress.


You are a spineless coward, spewing vile hatred yet crumbling pathetically the moment anyone dares to expose your venomous hypocrisy. You talk big, but the second light is cast on your despicable behaviour, you shrink like a worm under a rock.



;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Still won't accept that the Serial Invader activists demanded their own state, eh?  You also have a problem with literacy?

I don't talk big - I AM big.... you, of course, are a raver and a ranter and some form of lunatic.

Back to school until you work out who demanded a separate state, separate sovereignty, special rights, special seating in Parliament, special control over law as designed by them only, and the absolute right to do things 'their way' (whatever that means) while exercising control over land, water and resources of Australia..... and that I'm just being nice by agreeing with them and offering some solid ways to earn a dollar to self-sustain.... theme park.... Maverick style hunting ... secure plexiglass tunnels and lecco trains for the tourists to view in safety.... I even offered the possibility of establishing Gon'Mo in that state so as to provide a few incomes as guards and beagle handlers and such....

You are sooooo slow..... is it a planned thing or was your intellect strangled at birth?

Even you're not that stupid - get on with your class work...... champ!

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 10th, 2024 at 10:36pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 10th, 2024 at 10:06pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 10th, 2024 at 11:51am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 10th, 2024 at 11:40am:
Still going on about their demand for Apartheid as if it was someone else's call.

That ends it until you get your mind right, Flake.  Until you can accept that it was THEY who demanded segregation and apartheid, you will never progress.


You are a spineless coward, spewing vile hatred yet crumbling pathetically the moment anyone dares to expose your venomous hypocrisy. You talk big, but the second light is cast on your despicable behaviour, you shrink like a worm under a rock.



;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Still won't accept that the Serial Invader activists demanded their own state, eh? 


You keep demanding they be locked up like caged animals, as if their existence is nothing more than fodder for your sadistic desire to hunt them down and profit from their suffering.

Do I really need to remind you that they are human beings?

You can’t keep disguising your warped agenda behind this vile distortion of what they stand for.

There is something profoundly wrong with you, and it's disturbing.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 11th, 2024 at 9:44am
Their demand was to be insulated from the Evil White Man's way - it's their right as paid consumers and voters, and they drove a long way to gather to make those points.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 8:51am
Wait for the Hate Team to come in and fail entirely to see that:-

a) I am neutral in posting news/facts
b) They simply don't read or understand anything... it's the curse of the vapid leftie.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/the-enormous-law-and-order-agenda-the-northern-territory-s-clp-government-is-bringing-to-parliament/ar-AA1sg0IS?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=138b1528d806485cf910a5bd11d903e3&ei=14

"The new Northern Territory government has promised to bring an "enormous" law and order agenda to the new term of parliament today.

The Country Liberal Party (CLP) will act on a raft of election promises including lowering the age of criminal responsibility, 'Declan's Law' bail changes and cracking down on public drinking.

But there are also a few snap policies being introduced in these October sittings, such as new "posting and boasting" laws and greater powers for police.

Members of parliament are usually given at least a month to consider legislation before debating it, but the CLP is expected to use its 17-strong majority to pass its new laws within the two-week sittings.

It means the Labor opposition and crossbench will have less time to scrutinise the changes.

"We have a clear mandate to deliver this reform, and we make no apologies for delivering it," Chief Minister Lia Finocchiaro said.

Here's what we know about the new laws.

A key piece of the CLP's tough on crime election campaign was lowering the age of criminal responsibility back to 10 years old.

It's a reversal of the previous Labor government's move to raise the age to 12 about two years ago.

Despite warnings from a wide range of health professionals, lawyers and human rights groups, Chief Minister Lia Finocchiaro said it would allow the government to "intervene earlier in a young person's life" and put them through mandatory diversion programs.

Both the NT and national children's commissioners have voiced their concerns and requested the government halt its plans to legislate the change this sittings — but their calls have so far been dismissed.

A raft of bail changes known as Declan's Law is also expected to pass parliament within the next two weeks.

The changes expand the presumption against bail for various offences and for children aged 10 to 17, with the aim of keeping more accused offenders on remand.

It comes after the murder of Declan Laverty, a 20-year-old who was fatally stabbed at his workplace by a customer who was out on bail for a previous alleged assault.

The death sparked a series of crime rallies and calls for tougher bail laws, spearheaded by his mother Samara Laverty.

But lawyers and justice reform advocates have raised questions about how the NT's overcrowded prisons will deal with an increase in people remanded behind bars."


More detail - open link and  read on before uttering verbal violence diarrhoea>>>>>>>>>>

I note the term used is 'intervention in a young person's life/problems' - not incarceration - let's hear it from the monkey gallery who would love to have 10 yos stealing, smashing and burning their cars, ramming police cars and ram raiding with them  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D ....... anything for a hate session.... DUH....

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:13am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 8:51am:
Wait for the Hate Team to come in and fail entirely to see that:-

a) I am neutral in posting news/facts
b) They simply don't read or understand anything... it's the curse of the vapid leftie.


You're posting this in a lawfare thread, which you've designated for examples of lawfare being used to implement the Voice by stealth. If your intent is merely to share news, then you're misusing this thread.

You cannot maintain a claim of neutrality while framing it as an example of lawfare based solely on where you're choosing to post.

Perhaps you should consider starting a dedicated news thread instead, especially if you're so easily triggered by people critically examining your posts, dissecting the way they're framed, and subjecting them to scrutiny.

This would also be a natural step toward launching your own blog, which, frankly, aligns perfectly with your apparent ambitions.


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More detail - open link and  read on before uttering verbal violence diarrhoea>>>>>>>>>>

I note the term used is 'intervention in a young person's life/problems' - not incarceration - let's hear it from the monkey gallery who would love to have 10 yos stealing, smashing and burning their cars, ramming police cars and ram raiding with them  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D ....... anything for a hate session.... DUH....


It's quite telling that you would feign victimhood over other posters engaging with you, all while deliberately baiting them into doing so. The contradiction is hard to ignore, playing both provocateur and martyr in the same breath.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:19am
**pops corn in microwave while waiting for a valid response**

Anyone who reckons that imposing strict laws is not lawfare needs a good head read.....   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  furthermore - anyone whose only response is personal attack needs a good head read.

Back in the drawer for you, sock.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:32am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:19am:
**pops corn in microwave while waiting for a valid response**

Anyone who reckons that imposing strict laws is not lawfare needs a good head read.....   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  furthermore - anyone whose only response is personal attack needs a good head read.

Back in the drawer for you, sock.


So, you’re offering an opinion now? Make up your mind.

Let’s not forget, we’ve already attempted the good-faith discussion with you, and you've made it abundantly clear that you’re not interested in that approach.

If you believe my response contains a personal attack, by all means, point it out, feel free to quote it.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 10:36am
"Let’s not forget, we’ve already attempted the good-faith discussion with you"

Attacking using ad homs etc is not 'good faith' - it is abuse and you received due justice for it... champ.  Good old Leftie tried that one on - saying he was all sweetness and light and everyone else was a nasty - while using the most vile terms and abuses and endless insults and eventually threats to try to impose his 'reasoned views'....

Like Albo's simple one page request... Leftie was only trying to 'debate' issues.....  this is Lefty 'debating:-



"When I have a moment I'm going to write a browser add in that strips posts by users from this forum, based on a list you provide.  Happy to provide it for anyone else sick of specific people and their ignorant drivel

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1663732151/18

HAHAHAA!! It's a trivial task, an add in, a few regex.  I want to make it so I can change people's names as well.

I don't try to silence people I disagree with . The right do that.  I want to stop seeing ignorant scum who give me the runs and who can't debate but somehow think they are 'showing me' with their tears


I imagine I'll remove the entire posts, so I don't even know they are there.  I tried to debate, I tried to reason, and some people are just a waste of my time.  If I reply at all, they insist that I am triggered, so this is the only way to show them how little they mean to me "



This guy ... THIS GUY ... arrived here stating that he had been nastily thrown off a 'christian' forum (never heard of one) for arguing for 'trans rights' - whined about their 'refusal' and 'inability' to 'debate him (with that style I wonder why?) - and then started the same thing here.  Posting utter garbage like this:-

"Gender lives in your head.  what you see yourself as, is what you are.  Science explains how this is natural and not an illness.  Old people just love crying about cock


I didn't say that, but yes, I am being more forceful and extreme given you are not a functional human and don't deserve any form of respect.."
...

.. that's Lefty debating .... and then charging straight back while a response is being typed and carrying on about how stupid people are who can't type that fast etc, and then seguing into discussion of cock and people's 'desire' to shag 'trannies' - as if that was suddenly somehow a given for saying tranny is a head problem.

Totally bananas - and mothra not only defended that arsehole - she accused the board, and specifically me, of 'attacking ' him.

You... and mothra... and Smith... come here with the same approach and you will get the same result.... sunshine.  Start off by not using diminutive terms for other respected users, chimp.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 10:48am
we’ve already attempted the good-faith discussion with you

**coughs** .... who's this...... WE .... white girl?  **coughs**

Security breach.....  now that is one fine gotchaself moment, eh, Igor?  They always make those mistakes.... 


Hey, turkey who never really reads what people post!  I've mentioned I used to monitor media and wahless etc ... and a few other things.... I know how to pick those things... 'read' the hand that writes on the airwaves.... and I think they're going to attack Midway Island.....

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 15th, 2024 at 3:32pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 10:36am:
"Let’s not forget, we’ve already attempted the good-faith discussion with you"

Attacking using ad homs etc is not 'good faith' - it is abuse and you received due justice for it... champ. 


Let me get this straight: you, who have told others, including me, to not be so soft and take jokes about exterminating Indigenous people without being so "triggered" or "snowflake-like," now expect me, and everyone else, to believe that you find it abusive when I accurately point out that every time I've attempted to engage with you constructively, you’ve failed to reciprocate?

If you take issue with calling it "not acting in good faith," then what language would you prefer I use to describe that behaviour?


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Good old Leftie tried that one on - saying he was all sweetness and light and everyone else was a nasty - while using the most vile terms and abuses and endless insults and eventually threats to try to impose his 'reasoned views'....

Like Albo's simple one page request... Leftie was only trying to 'debate' issues.....  this is Lefty 'debating:-



"When I have a moment I'm going to write a browser add in that strips posts by users from this forum, based on a list you provide.  Happy to provide it for anyone else sick of specific people and their ignorant drivel

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1663732151/18

HAHAHAA!! It's a trivial task, an add in, a few regex.  I want to make it so I can change people's names as well.

I don't try to silence people I disagree with . The right do that.  I want to stop seeing ignorant scum who give me the runs and who can't debate but somehow think they are 'showing me' with their tears


I imagine I'll remove the entire posts, so I don't even know they are there.  I tried to debate, I tried to reason, and some people are just a waste of my time.  If I reply at all, they insist that I am triggered, so this is the only way to show them how little they mean to me "



This guy ... THIS GUY ... arrived here stating that he had been nastily thrown off a 'christian' forum (never heard of one) for arguing for 'trans rights' - whined about their 'refusal' and 'inability' to 'debate him (with that style I wonder why?) - and then started the same thing here.  Posting utter garbage like this:-

"Gender lives in your head.  what you see yourself as, is what you are.  Science explains how this is natural and not an illness.  Old people just love crying about cock


I didn't say that, but yes, I am being more forceful and extreme given you are not a functional human and don't deserve any form of respect.."
...

.. that's Lefty debating .... and then charging straight back while a response is being typed and carrying on about how stupid people are who can't type that fast etc, and then seguing into discussion of cock and people's 'desire' to shag 'trannies' - as if that was suddenly somehow a given for saying tranny is a head problem.

Totally bananas - and mothra not only defended that arsehole - she accused the board, and specifically me, of 'attacking ' him.

You... and mothra... and Smith... come here with the same approach and you will get the same result.... sunshine.  Start off by not using diminutive terms for other respected users, chimp.


If I am indeed guilty of the accusations you so freely hurl, supposedly engaging in such behaviour with a frequency that rivals your own relentless evasion of meaningful discourse, then why the need to cite irrelevant third-party quotes just to declare, "you're like that"?

Why not simply present concrete examples of me allegedly doing these things?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 15th, 2024 at 3:54pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 10:48am:
we’ve already attempted the good-faith discussion with you

**coughs** .... who's this...... WE .... white girl?  **coughs**

Security breach.....  now that is one fine gotchaself moment, eh, Igor?  They always make those mistakes.... 


It's true, I should only speak for myself. However, I’ve witnessed you subject others to the same tactics you use on me, making it entirely accurate to state that we have attempted to engage with you on various topics.

But it’s far from easy.

You frequently avoid substantive discussion, particularly when confronted with the glaring inconsistencies between your claims and the very news items you post.

Often, what you present as evidence doesn't even remotely support the arguments you're making, especially with your countless "lawfare" posts. For example, a journalist reminiscing about a family trip to the Red Centre has absolutely nothing to do with the concept of lawfare, yet you included it in one of your lawfare threads.

The tantrum you threw when this was pointed out would put a toddler to shame. And I wager that even now, you’d stubbornly insist it’s somehow lawfare.

It's hard to engage with you in good faith (a term I’m happy to revise if you find it too "abusive" once you provide me with a substitute) when you begin from a foundation of complete denial of reality, coupled with an inability to admit when you're wrong. Instead, you're perpetually on the offensive, provoking, attacking, all while playing the victim of supposed abusive posters.

Perhaps you could outline what engaging with you in good faith would even look like (as I said, I’ll gladly edit the term if it’s too much for you). If you're intent on twisting everything to cast yourself as the victim, then provide me with some clear parameters on what you expect from an exchange, so we might actually have a genuine discussion on the topics you raise.

Your reactions, particularly when anything positive or supportive is mentioned in relation to Indigenous Australians, suggest you take it as a personal affront, as if someone had stolen food from the mouth of your first-born.

It doesn't seem to matter what the context is; your starting point is always that they are unworthy of even basic human decency and sometimes even existence.

But I can't, apparently, even make that observation, accurate as it may be, without triggering a meltdown.

So tell me: if I were to attempt a genuine discussion with you the next time you post yet another "not lawfare" lawfare post, what does that look like to you?

How can we bridge the gap between a genuine exchange and whatever it is you expect from others in these discussions?


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Hey, turkey who never really reads what people post!  I've mentioned I used to monitor media and wahless etc ... and a few other things.... I know how to pick those things... 'read' the hand that writes on the airwaves.... and I think they're going to attack Midway Island.....


If you choose not to take things seriously and instead resort to shallow, sarcastic jokes, that's entirely your prerogative. Just don’t act offended when others respond in kind.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:02pm
Round and round, yardle, yardle.... shift, shift, shift. ....  Totally wrong - when assholes come on strong and nasty, I give them it back in spades.

I take it you are incapable of carrying on an adult discussion over these projected changes in handling of law in the NT - you know - especially since I haven't come down on one side or the other of any of those ..... YET.  But when people come the old personal abuse and insult as their deviation away from discussion - I simply say that every such move is fine and good...... your closed minds mean there's no point in discussing anything.

I'll go and handle Smith now on another strand.  Same old, same old.

Who's We, white girl?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:24pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:02pm:
Round and round, yardle, yardle.... shift, shift, shift. ....  Totally wrong - when assholes come on strong and nasty, I give them it back in spades.

I take it you are incapable of carrying on an adult discussion over these projected changes in handling of law in the NT - you know - especially since I haven't come down on one side or the other of any of those ..... YET.  But when people come the old personal abuse and insult as their deviation away from discussion - I simply say that every such move is fine and good...... your closed minds mean there's no point in discussing anything.

I'll go and handle Smith now on another strand.  Same old, same old.

Who's We, white girl?


We can certainly try again, though I suspect we might hit similar obstacles unless we address your discomfort with the term "good faith." If you could offer an alternative phrasing that won’t provoke such a strong reaction, leading you to feel as though you're being mistreated, we can make another attempt at discussing the issue you’ve been sidestepping.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:49pm
So let's try again.

I'll strip off all the petty provications you've included I your post and try to focus on the article and what little opinion you've provided,


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 8:51am:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/the-enormous-law-and-order-agenda-the-northern-territory-s-clp-government-is-bringing-to-parliament/ar-AA1sg0IS?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=138b1528d806485cf910a5bd11d903e3&ei=14

I note the term used is 'intervention in a young person's life/problems' - not incarceration - let's hear it from the monkey gallery who would love to have 10 yos stealing, smashing and burning their cars, ramming police cars and ram raiding with them  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D ....... anything for a hate session.... DUH....


After reading it, I'd summarise it as follows:

The CLP government in the NT are preparing to present a law-and-order agenda in parliament. This legislative package aims to tackle issues such as crime and public safety. Among the key proposals are tougher measures on youth crime, including lowering the age of criminal responsibility from 12 to 10 years old.

It also includes stricter penalties for offences like ram-raiding and public drinking, as well as "Declan's Law," which targets repeat youth offenders.

The NT Police Association has welcomed these moves, seeing them as necessary steps to curb crime and improve safety for frontline workers. The government is also planning to introduce measures to make it easier for police to use knife-wanding powers and propose mandatory sentencing for assaults on police officers and other frontline workers.

However, this aggressive push for law-and-order legislation has sparked concerns from community groups, particularly over the potential impacts on Indigenous youth, who are disproportionately represented in the justice system​.


Most of those point seem pretty common sense, but I do share some of the concerns raised in another post you made Grap,


ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 5th, 2024 at 4:32pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 5th, 2024 at 4:01pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/clp-government-stands-by-its-plan-to-make-nt-become-first-jurisdiction-to-lower-criminal-age/ar-AA1rIuK8?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=a1c15ebf1e17458bbab8eb8144fecf2e&ei=10

Did you actually read the article?

Firstly, as this seems to go without saying, this as usual is not an example of lawfare trying to implement the voice by stealth.  I'd mock you by saying it was a good try, but it wasn't even that.  It's just another lazy attempt to paint an Indigenous issue as negative without even addressing it.

Second, rather than addressing the issue raised, you’ve used this as a springboard to discuss a tangentially related topic, ignoring the substance of the article.

Would you care to engage with the actual matter at hand? To summarise:

Levi Nichaloff, known as rapper Yung Milla, expresses concern about the NT's new law lowering the age of criminal responsibility from 12 to 10, fearing it will disproportionately harm Aboriginal youth. Drawing from his own upbringing, he believes this will worsen outcomes for children. Experts, such as Professor Susan Sawyer, echo these concerns, warning of deeper entrenchment in the justice system. This law is part of the CLP's tough-on-crime approach after their recent electoral victory.

In the past, you've expressed what appeared to be concern for the women and children in these communities.  Sure, your solutions that involved genocide, segregation or apartheid would put that pantomime concern into context, but let's be incredibly and undeservedly generous and give you the benefit of the doubt and consider that concern to be genuine.

Now, you have the opportunity to weigh in, after hearing the perspectives of someone with lived experience and an expert in adolescent health.

Can you offer your thoughts on the actual topic under discussion from the point of view of what might be better for the children impacted by this from the communities you're so obsessed with degrading?


So I'll reiterate for the sake of discussion in, well, you know, that while most of those measures I agree with, I share the concerns of Levi Nichaloff and Professor Susan Sawyer in the risks of lowing the age of criminal responsibility from 12 to 10.

I remember fragments of my experiences at age 10, and it's clear to me how easily influenced children can be, often mimicking those around them. My concern is that if younger children are swept into negative influences and enter the juvenile criminal justice system, they may find themselves on a path toward lifelong criminality.

While implementing tougher laws may provide quick fixes to a deeply entrenched, multigenerational issue, these measures need to be complemented by initiatives aimed at breaking the cycle of violence and crime in these communities. This requires not just policy changes but also a genuine commitment to listening to community voices and investing in programs that enhance their quality of life and job prospects.

Unfortunately, those advocating for stricter laws often resist funding for these necessary support programs. Grap, I ask: Would you be in favour of developing additional initiatives to assist these communities and provide long-term solutions?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:56pm
Throwing nails on the road straight away - I have no 'problem' with 'good faith' - just your use of the royal WE - meaning your coven up there.  One has to not only listen, but hear....... that old Ukraine lady was never a Kommissar of a frontline combat unit - she doesn't even understand English or German etc... how could she sort the sheep from the goats?

You took us away from the issues raised.... consistently refuse to discuss the issues raised..... before you head off on your white charger - I merely warned that this would happen with you lot the moment the issues were raised....

You, mothra, Smith - the Kooka just acts the Village Idiot and does it so well, but essentially it's just a smokescreen for his behaviour, and dividie just rabbits on in his darkness about economics and NAIRU as if everyone in the world has no mind or morals apart from himself .... babbles in the corner to himself ...... well - you lot ALWAYS start straight in with the ad homs etc... then wonder why your reception is hostile.... but you do manage to detract from the issues, don't you?

Why are you lot so afraid of discussing mooted changes to NT laws?  Who do you think it will affect most, hmmmm?  I haven't said one thing about booting all the little criminals into prisons...... not one word..... yet off you lot go with the personal insult and abuse.

You'll never get a result that way... not with me.... and definitely never a 'voice'.  It's dead.. you can all give up hitting the Coroner about the head while hshe adjudicates on the reasons for its death.... and considers the apparent signs of life from electro-shock and such... possibility of vampyrism or zombieism raising the dead or something.... Dr Frank-en-STEEN?


Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:06pm
Can't help yourself - start off with the slights and insults and accusations - then expect a beaten down opponent to simply lower head and follow on slavishly with your views.

That's what you all do online - hasn't won one convert yet - never will... look at the voice campaign... the more insults and abuse thrown at people the more they hardened against it.... who would vote for anything that benefits people who act that way towards others even before they get all the inside running?

It's all gone - the voice by stealth will be dismantled as soon as responsible state governments come in after Labor is dispersed to the four corners.... stupidest half-baked set of ideas I've ever seen or heard.... and the people already said NO.  Now they'll not only say NO but say it with anger!

How stupid is that... how arrogant?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:07pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:56pm:
Throwing nails on the road straight away - I have no 'problem' with 'good faith' - just your use of the royal WE - meaning your coven up there.  One has to not only listen, but hear....... that old Ukraine lady was never a Kommissar of a frontline combat unit - she doesn't even understand English or German etc... how could she sort the sheep from the goats?

You took us away from the issues raised.... consistently refuse to discuss the issues raised..... before you head off on your white charger - I merely warned that this would happen with you lot the moment the issues were raised....

You, mothra, Smith - the Kooka just acts the Village Idiot and does it so well, but essentially it's just a smokescreen for his behaviour, and dividie just rabbits on in his darkness about economics and NAIRU as if everyone in the world has no mind or morals apart from himself .... babbles in the corner to himself ...... well - you lot ALWAYS start straight in with the ad homs etc... then wonder why your reception is hostile.... but you do manage to detract from the issues, don't you?

Why are you lot so afraid of discussing mooted changes to NT laws?  Who do you think it will affect most, hmmmm?  I haven't said one thing about booting all the little criminals into prisons...... not one word..... yet off you lot go with the personal insult and abuse.

You'll never get a result that way... not with me.... and definitely never a 'voice'.  It's dead.. you can all give up hitting the Coroner about the head while hshe adjudicates on the reasons for its death.... and considers the apparent signs of life from electro-shock and such... possibility of vampyrism or zombieism raising the dead or something.... Dr Frank-en-STEEN?



I assume this reply was written and sent before reading my last, so I'll defer you to that post.

Edit:


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:06pm:
Can't help yourself - start off with the slights and insults and accusations - then expect a beaten down opponent to simply lower head and follow on slavishly with your views.

That's what you all do online - hasn't won one convert yet - never will... look at the voice campaign... the more insults and abuse thrown at people the more they hardened against it.... who would vote for anything that benefits people who act that way towards others even before they get all the inside running?

It's all gone - the voice by stealth will be dismantled as soon as responsible state governments come in after Labor is dispersed to the four corners.... stupidest half-baked set of ideas I've ever seen or heard.... and the people already said NO.  Now they'll not only say NO but say it with anger!

How stupid is that... how arrogant?


Same with this one.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:17pm
Your first mistake was right at the start - the accusation of trying to paint an Indigenous issue in a negative way.... bullshit.... I mentioned NO group - and posted changes to law that may well work against Aborigines as part of lawfare.... meaning - I'm either taking their side here or am decidedly neutral.  No cause for your accusation in any way apart from your evident illiteracy and paranoia.

Unlike you and your kind, I see lawfare from all sides - and expect wise minds to see the merits and demerits.

YOU assumed that whenever I mention 'lawfare' it is only to put down the silly demands of groups of Aborigines for supremacy = Aboriginal Supremacism.  That's only one part of the deal...... the real enemy is those who enable that kind of madness using their 'position' and such to push through undemocratic things OF ANY KIND.... those who arrogate power unto themselves in a democracy and thus attack democracy and democratic rights here.

Don't know much, do you? Stick around - I'll larn yez.

I'll try again - start with getting rid of all the Old Mates handed sweet appointed and not promoted jobs in public service bodies - who then obey the political masters of the day and push their Bolshevik ideas on everyone by 'regulation' and 'interpretation'.

Look how 'native title claims' have somehow metamorphosed into 'freehold land claims of vast swathes of the primest land to be handed out by some faceless bureaucrat' .... there's a great start for you.

WTF ever gave such a bureaucrat such sweeping and devastating to social cohesion and equal rights powers?

Do you wonder why the people are angry and growing angrier under this Neo-Feudal Stalino-Fascist regime of petty dictators?

Abos are just a convenient spearpoint for these scum - nothing of benefit will come to them from any of this - and one day all this handed-out land will be deemed to have been illegal possession and will be revoked.  If it's fine for an Abo to freehold claim land without payment - hand it out to everyone! That's the way this country works - one law for all.

All Australians One - or All For Themselves ONLY.  Which do you want?..... Nothing good can come of having two laws on land possession for different groups = Apartheid = Voice By Stealth.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 16th, 2024 at 9:34am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:17pm:
Your first mistake was right at the start - the accusation of trying to paint an Indigenous issue in a negative way.... bullshit....


Historically, your modus operandi has been rather consistent with that end, but in this instance, let's first ensure we're aligned on the matter at hand.

I approached this with a clean slate, a complete reset, and sought to directly engage with the article you posted through my response here.

From this moment forward, this is the context to which I will be referring.


Quote:
I mentioned NO group - and posted changes to law that may well work against Aborigines as part of lawfare.... meaning - I'm either taking their side here or am decidedly neutral.  No cause for your accusation in any way apart from your evident illiteracy and paranoia.

Unlike you and your kind, I see lawfare from all sides - and expect wise minds to see the merits and demerits.


I acknowledged that I agreed with most of the proposed changes, though I expressed concerns about lowering the age of criminal responsibility for children. I outlined my reasoning and referred back to our previous engagement on this issue.

At no point did I attempt to connect your recent posting of the article to your usual tactics of denigrating Indigenous Australians. If you perceived that, much like your inclination to view the exposure of your bad faith actions as "abusive," perhaps it's your guilty conscience colouring your interpretation of the matter?


Quote:
YOU assumed that whenever I mention 'lawfare' it is only to put down the silly demands of groups of Aborigines for supremacy = Aboriginal Supremacism. 


When taking your words literally, this is exactly what you have stated in the past.


Quote:
That's only one part of the deal...... the real enemy is those who enable that kind of madness using their 'position' and such to push through undemocratic things OF ANY KIND.... those who arrogate power unto themselves in a democracy and thus attack democracy and democratic rights here.


I think it's fair to say we'd both agree on that point. The issue arises when, in practice, you cry wolf over matters like tourism, claiming they're somehow evidence of faceless entities attempting to impose the Voice through stealthy lawfare.

If you can't maintain consistency in your messaging and logic, you have little ground to complain when people take your words at face value. After all, those engaging with you aren't expected to be mind readers.


Quote:
Don't know much, do you? Stick around - I'll larn yez.


I'm always open to learning new things and new ideas.  Just do me a favour and don't just regurgitate the same tired prejudice with nothing but a different window dressing.


Quote:
I'll try again - start with getting rid of all the Old Mates handed sweet appointed and not promoted jobs in public service bodies - who then obey the political masters of the day and push their Bolshevik ideas on everyone by 'regulation' and 'interpretation'.

Look how 'native title claims' have somehow metamorphosed into 'freehold land claims of vast swathes of the primest land to be handed out by some faceless bureaucrat' .... there's a great start for you.


I’m going to stop you right there.

We’re discussing the article about the law changes introduced by the CLP in the NT. You're deflecting, resorting to your typical rants about native title issues or whichever topic you believe allows you to further apply pressure.

Normally, I wouldn’t bother continuing given the transparent tactics at play, but I'll give you yet another opportunity to stay on topic and engage with the discussion over the link you posted, in good faith, this time.

You still haven’t offered your opinion on the matter, despite my request nearly two weeks ago. Now would be an ideal moment to do so.

The floor is yours.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by philperth2010 on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:50am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 21st, 2024 at 11:58pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/traditional-owners-seek-protection-for-jabiluka-cultural-heritage/ar-BB1kgXf4?cvid=8e3924b8683a4912f03450b31093c1e6&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=16&sc=shoreline


This story is unavailable

:-? :-? :-?



Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:52am
That happens a lot with controversial things - it is there for a while then vanishes.  Probably got too many comments.

Oh, well - just when I figured I'd make youse lot work for a change instead of putting it all out there for you.

Can't trust the media at all... they lie and polish and spin things and disappear them when it suits.

That should tell you something....

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by philperth2010 on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:53am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Apr 9th, 2024 at 6:38pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/humane-treatment-of-youth-at-unit-18-not-possible-inquest-into-cleveland-dodd-s-death-hears/ar-BB1ljoxE?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=4b93fdfa8af148bef43dea0c5b675cd4&ei=21&sc=shoreline



Quote:
Humane treatment of youth at Unit 18 not possible, inquest into Cleveland Dodd's death hears


What does this story have to do with the NT Crappler....What is your argument???

:-? :-? :-?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:57am
Buggar that was WA - doesn't change the issue though.

The entire handling of Aboriginal Affairs needs to be resolved and new standards set in place, starting with their home life and what it is doing to the young ones.  Time for the parents and Elders to step up and ensure they at least go to school and learn to socialise without this gang mentality.

They'll never get ahead being criminals ... look at those who are doing well ....

Title: Re: Crappler bullshit
Post by philperth2010 on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:58am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:52am:
That happens a lot with controversial things - it is there for a while then vanishes.  Probably got too many comments.

Oh, well - just when I figured I'd make youse lot work for a change instead of putting it all out there for you.

Can't trust the media at all... they lie and polish and spin things and disappear them when it suits.

That should tell you something....


You are full of Crap Crappler....What it tells me is you are a racist piece of crap spreading bullshit to justify your unhinged hatred of indiginous people....What is it you are crapping about Crappler???

:-? :-? :-?

Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely stupid.
Heinrich Heine (1797 - 1856)

Title: Re: Crappler bullshit
Post by philperth2010 on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:59am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:57am:
Buggar that was WA - doesn't change the issue though.

The entire handling of Aboriginal Affairs needs to be resolved and new standards set in place, starting with their home life and what it is doing to the young ones.  Time for the parents and Elders to step up and ensure they at least go to school and learn to socialise without this gang mentality.

They'll never get ahead being criminals ... look at those who are doing well ....


So how is this a voice by stealth or even relevant you racist dickhead???

:-? :-? :-?

Title: Re: Crappler bullshit
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 16th, 2024 at 11:57am

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:59am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:57am:
Buggar that was WA - doesn't change the issue though.

The entire handling of Aboriginal Affairs needs to be resolved and new standards set in place, starting with their home life and what it is doing to the young ones.  Time for the parents and Elders to step up and ensure they at least go to school and learn to socialise without this gang mentality.

They'll never get ahead being criminals ... look at those who are doing well ....


So how is this a voice by stealth or even relevant you racist dickhead???

:-? :-? :-?


Easy ya racist dickhead. Don't try to quote things you can never understand.... even in your moments of lucidity.

Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely stupid.
Heinrich Heine (1797 - 1856)

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by John Smith on Oct 16th, 2024 at 12:13pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 11:57am:
Don't try to quote things you can never understand



to be fair ... no one understands you crappler.  No one. Even thought the best psychiatrists have tried.

Title: Re: Crappler bullshit
Post by philperth2010 on Oct 16th, 2024 at 1:16pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 11:57am:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:59am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:57am:
Buggar that was WA - doesn't change the issue though.

The entire handling of Aboriginal Affairs needs to be resolved and new standards set in place, starting with their home life and what it is doing to the young ones.  Time for the parents and Elders to step up and ensure they at least go to school and learn to socialise without this gang mentality.

They'll never get ahead being criminals ... look at those who are doing well ....


So how is this a voice by stealth or even relevant you racist dickhead???

:-? :-? :-?


Easy ya racist dickhead. Don't try to quote things you can never understand.... even in your moments of lucidity.

Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely stupid.
Heinrich Heine (1797 - 1856)


What does the crap you post have to do with the voice ya racist dickhead....A simple question even for a complete dickhead like you....Answer the question ya racist prick???

:) :) :)

Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Unknown, Hanlon's Razor

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 16th, 2024 at 1:55pm

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:50am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 21st, 2024 at 11:58pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/traditional-owners-seek-protection-for-jabiluka-cultural-heritage/ar-BB1kgXf4?cvid=8e3924b8683a4912f03450b31093c1e6&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=16&sc=shoreline


This story is unavailable

:-? :-? :-?



Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:52am:
That happens a lot with controversial things - it is there for a while then vanishes.  Probably got too many comments.

Oh, well - just when I figured I'd make youse lot work for a change instead of putting it all out there for you.

Can't trust the media at all... they lie and polish and spin things and disappear them when it suits.

That should tell you something....


I don't know why you like to use the MSN links Grap, but if you bypass their aggregator the original story is still available at the source:

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/traditional-owners-seek-protection-for-jabiluka-cultural-heritage-20240321-p5feb5.html

We don't need to blame controversy or any sort of conspiracy, it's simply how you chose to share it that's expired.

Since Grap, it looks like you abandoned the attempt at a good faith discussion over the previous topic,


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 8:51am:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/the-enormous-law-and-order-agenda-the-northern-territory-s-clp-government-is-bringing-to-parliament/ar-AA1sg0IS?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=138b1528d806485cf910a5bd11d903e3&ei=14

Shall we move on to the one Phil was looking for?

Since you didn’t offer any opinion at the time and simply posted the link in a Lawfare thread, which you previously stated was meant to document instances of the Voice being implemented by stealth, should we assume that you believe this story to be an example of that?

For those interested, the summary of the story is:


Quote:
Traditional owners of the Jabiluka uranium deposit in the Northern Territory are seeking federal protection for their cultural heritage after Energy Resources Australia (ERA), backed by Rio Tinto, applied to renew a 10-year mining lease. The Mirarr traditional owners, represented by the Gundjeihmi Aboriginal Corporation, strongly oppose the renewal, as the lease area contains sacred sites and rock art galleries. Despite ERA’s assurances that the traditional owners have veto rights over future mining developments, tensions remain.

The Gundjeihmi Aboriginal Corporation is calling on the Northern Territory and federal governments to support the inclusion of Jabiluka within the World Heritage-listed Kakadu National Park, which they believe would offer stronger protection for the site. Rio Tinto has reiterated its support for the Mirarr people’s opposition to mining at Jabiluka, committing to focus on rehabilitating the nearby Ranger uranium mine in line with their wishes.

Full story here


On the surface, like many other links, this may seem unrelated to the Voice, but before jumping to that conclusion, perhaps you could provide more context, Grap.

It appears that the point at which you disengaged from our previous discussion was when I asked for your personal opinion on the matter. So, let’s start there to ensure we don’t waste any more time.

What are your thoughts on the story linked above?

Is it unreasonable to expect Rio Tinto to fulfil its obligations to rehabilitate the land it mined?

The ERA has an agreement with the traditional owners granting them veto rights over future mining developments, shouldn’t this agreement still be honoured?

Do you continue to assert that this thread, and others like it, are examples of "lawfare" aimed at implementing a constitutionally enshrined Voice to Parliament, intended to provide advice on legislation affecting Indigenous Australians by stealth?

Or have you shifted the purpose of these threads to simple state or territory-level news sharing?

The floor is yours, mate.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 16th, 2024 at 4:41pm
A company 'defied' their wishes ... falls about laughing..... English is in short supply with journalists as well these days... it's REFUSED their wishes... it is a company's right to apply to renew..... there is no 'right' to have a wish accepted as the rule.

The company considered their voice on the matter and said no... simple.  Isn't that what these voices are all about?  A right to put a viewpoint - does not mean an absolute right to have it unconditionally accepted.

That's where this goes wrong at the start... no need to go further.

I see you failed to avoid your usual ad homs and sledging.... start again... this issue is closed.  The rules are clear on any right to put a viewpoint...... no need to discuss this further, case proven again that 'voices' are a demand for power and control.

This.... 'cultural heritage' ... was it in place all the years of resource extraction?  Or is this another one of those suddenly found 'cultural heritage' things when it suits, like that set of paintings that are supposed to suddenly show the cultural heritage of that gold mining site or the 'secret women's business' at Hindmarsh Island?

Bonus question:-  How much money was/is there in opposing this extraction?  How much is this by now well-turned over 'cultural heritage that never was until recently' worth?

You're going down, fellas... going down....   8-)


Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 17th, 2024 at 2:19pm
Thank you for not abandoning the topic this time, as you’ve done with so many others when asked for your opinion on something you posted.

We’re finally making some progress. Baby steps, though, since you ignored most of what I asked, but progress nonetheless.


Quote:
"The company has pledged to not mine the deposit as long as traditional owners remain opposed to it."


Should they be held to that pledge, or was it just a lie to secure another 10-year lease?

Now, back to the original questions I asked you.


ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 1:55pm:
Is it unreasonable to expect Rio Tinto to fulfil its obligations to rehabilitate the land it mined?

The ERA has an agreement with the traditional owners granting them veto rights over future mining developments, shouldn’t this agreement still be honoured?


More broadly, since this story, like so many others, has nothing to do with a constitutionally enshrined Indigenous advisory body to Parliament, it seems you're using your alternative definition of The Voice, given that you've posted it in one of your Lawfare threads.


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 11th, 2024 at 11:35pm:
The Voice is now the generic term for the coup attempt to install Aboriginal Supremacism.... everything evolves..... and everything is lumped under one title for convenience....


So protecting Jabiluka cultural heritage sites from destruction due to mining is Aboriginal Supremacism?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:52pm
Let me just remove the rubbish from that for you - see if you have anything of value to contribute:-


ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

Quote:
"The company has pledged to not mine the deposit as long as traditional owners remain opposed to it."


So what's all the kerfuffle about?



ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 1:55pm:
Is it unreasonable to expect Rio Tinto to fulfil its obligations to rehabilitate the land it mined?
Never  mentioned land rehabilitation - this was about mining.  My views on land rehabilitation re well known to the literate.

The ERA has an agreement with the traditional owners granting them veto rights over future mining developments, shouldn’t this agreement still be honoured?
  So why bother to even raise it in the media?




Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 11th, 2024 at 11:35pm:
The Voice is now the generic term for the coup attempt to install Aboriginal Supremacism.... everything evolves..... and everything is lumped under one title for convenience....


Times 2 and rising .... a fully informed public is best able to secure its own security from those intent on taking it away from them.


You'll get all your answers come election time, did-ums.  tick tock... tick tock ... tick tock ... I'll bet poor old methra rues the day 'she' started that one as an attack on The Fantastic Baby Boomers Who Built It All!

Where's Aussie?  Still sulking over Bruce?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:15pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:52pm:
Let me just remove the rubbish from that for you - see if you have anything of value to contribute:-


ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

Quote:
"The company has pledged to not mine the deposit as long as traditional owners remain opposed to it."


So what's all the kerfuffle about?



ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 1:55pm:
Is it unreasonable to expect Rio Tinto to fulfil its obligations to rehabilitate the land it mined?
Never  mentioned land rehabilitation - this was about mining.  My views on land rehabilitation re well known to the literate.

The ERA has an agreement with the traditional owners granting them veto rights over future mining developments, shouldn’t this agreement still be honoured?
  So why bother to even raise it in the media?




Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 11th, 2024 at 11:35pm:
The Voice is now the generic term for the coup attempt to install Aboriginal Supremacism.... everything evolves..... and everything is lumped under one title for convenience....


Times 2 and rising .... a fully informed public is best able to secure its own security from those intent on taking it away from them.


You'll get all your answers come election time, did-ums.  tick tock... tick tock ... tick tock ... I'll bet poor old methra rues the day 'she' started that one as an attack on The Fantastic Baby Boomers Who Built It All!

Where's Aussie?  Still sulking over Bruce?


Even politicians are more straightforward than you. Your ability to evade direct answers is unmatched, a masterclass in deflection. Instead of refuting claims and demonstrating that you can engage in good faith, you continue to exemplify the very dishonesty you've been accused of. Each dodged response only solidifies the truth of the assertion you're so desperately trying to escape.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 19th, 2024 at 5:09pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:15pm:


Let's just remove all the big mouthed rubbish again - see what we've got left.... oh.... damn .... nothing!

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 20th, 2024 at 7:11am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 5:09pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:15pm:


Let's just remove all the big mouthed rubbish again - see what we've got left.... oh.... damn .... nothing!


And you wonder why people won't engage with you...

You just create a safe space and ignore anything you can't deal with.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 21st, 2024 at 11:31pm
Well - there ya go - I never knew until now that visitors to Ayers Rock are abused and their cars smashed and stuff - just like Mt warning... why is this allowed to happen?

https://www.msn.com/en-au/travel/news/uluru-wet-weather-track-closures-costing-tourism-operators-vital-business/ar-AA1sBxvM?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=911620431f9a4da4b3710c221953bc5f&ei=5#comments

(bait set - hint, dorks - it's in the comments from visitors - just hit the little page button and read)...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 7:34am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 11:31pm:
(bait set - hint, dorks - it's in the comments from visitors - just hit the little page button and read)...


Oooooo you're such a mastermind, bait set, haha....

It’s already been made abundantly clear that you’re utterly incapable of engaging in a meaningful or good-faith discussion. Yet, in your insatiable thirst for self-sabotage, you persist in proving this over and over.

You can drop the act, princess. Everyone’s well aware of just how much of a pathetic coward you really are.

Are you truly so desperate for validation that you're now reduced to posting irrelevant news articles, not for their content, but to cherry-pick anonymous comments that happen to align with your twisted worldview? Is that where we are?

It’s no surprise and it explains perfectly why you gravitate towards sources like MSN, where the actual news is an afterthought, and the comment section serves as your echo chamber.

I always suspected there was a reason you never bothered with actual news sources, and now it's crystal clear. It was never about the news itself, was it? It’s about feeding off the cesspool of hate-filled, racist drivel that festers in the comment sections. You’re not interested in information or truth, you’re just here to gorge yourself on the toxic scraps of bile that embolden your own vile prejudices.

When the facts don’t conform to your fragile narrative, you go scavenging in the muck for someone, anyone, to validate your delusions.

The irony is palpable. You’re not just running from this conversation, you’re running from reality itself. The truth, it seems, is far too heavy a burden for your brittle ego to bear.

Rain impacting tourism at Uluru, not lawfare.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 7:58am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 7:34am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 11:31pm:
(bait set - hint, dorks - it's in the comments from visitors - just hit the little page button and read)...




Rain impacting tourism at Uluru, not lawfare.


Hate-filled rubbish removed .... slipped into the lawfare column just for convenience.... no point raising a new discussion for every single issue....

MSN?  It's ABC Business, dork-head..... you and your sock bros are wrong as usual.   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Bait taken!!  How's the reconciliation hook going?  Ready to put your mouth where the hook is - actually come out with something for public scrutiny?  We all know why you won't......

What's your definition?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 9:19am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 7:58am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 7:34am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 11:31pm:
(bait set - hint, dorks - it's in the comments from visitors - just hit the little page button and read)...




Rain impacting tourism at Uluru, not lawfare.


Hate-filled rubbish removed .... slipped into the lawfare column just for convenience.... no point raising a new discussion for every single issue....

MSN?  It's ABC Business, dork-head..... you and your sock bros are wrong as usual.   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D


There are no comment sections at the ABC news sites, that's why you're sourcing your news via the MSN aggregator that allows comments.

Keep up.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 10:49am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 9:19am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 7:58am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 7:34am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 11:31pm:
(bait set - hint, dorks - it's in the comments from visitors - just hit the little page button and read)...




Rain impacting tourism at Uluru, not lawfare.


Hate-filled rubbish removed .... slipped into the lawfare column just for convenience.... no point raising a new discussion for every single issue....

MSN?  It's ABC Business, dork-head..... you and your sock bros are wrong as usual.   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D


There are no comment sections at the ABC news sites, that's why you're sourcing your news via the MSN aggregator that allows comments.


So?  It's the news down the left hand side of my screen.  Microsoft Start ....

The source remains the same.  Are you afraid of the vox populi?  Scaredy-cat about what people actually say?

I'd have thought you would find that illuminating.....

Interesting to hear about that robbery and abuse and car smashing so reminiscent of the campaign to close Mt Warning.  It's not a 'sacred site' - it's just a freak of nature and has the same effect on everyone -  awe etc ... no 'sacred ceremony' has ever taken place there and no great spirits roused etc...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 10:56am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 20th, 2024 at 7:11am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 5:09pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:15pm:


Let's just remove all the big mouthed rubbish again - see what we've got left.... oh.... damn .... nothing!


And you wonder why people won't engage with you...

You just create a safe space and ignore anything you can't deal with.



Well - it's just a natural right to remove all the abuse and insults and simply close to the issues.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 11:16am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 10:49am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 9:19am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 7:58am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 7:34am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 11:31pm:
(bait set - hint, dorks - it's in the comments from visitors - just hit the little page button and read)...




Rain impacting tourism at Uluru, not lawfare.


Hate-filled rubbish removed .... slipped into the lawfare column just for convenience.... no point raising a new discussion for every single issue....

MSN?  It's ABC Business, dork-head..... you and your sock bros are wrong as usual.   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D


There are no comment sections at the ABC news sites, that's why you're sourcing your news via the MSN aggregator that allows comments.


So?  It's the news down the left hand side of my screen.  Microsoft Start ....

The source remains the same.  Are you afraid of the vox populi?  Scaredy-cat about what people actually say?

I'd have thought you would find that illuminating.....


The Not Lawfare story of the rain impacting tourism in at Uluru with the tracks having to close.  Yes, it is interesting.  I've seen the waterfalls from the side of the rock before, it's a site to behold.  It's just a shame that it comes at the cost of those operators.

That said, what exactly is this doing here? It has nothing to do with lawfare. Are you posting it for the comments? The anonymous, unverified drivel?

By all means, if you stumble across something actually relevant to the claims in those comments, feel free to start a thread. But even then, it still wouldn’t qualify as lawfare.

And frankly, who’s to say those comments aren’t from you—or someone equally committed to disregarding the truth? Just like your bigoted views, they hold no weight. They’re nothing more than the incoherent rantings of a random, often inarticulate blowhard on the internet, desperately trying to peddle their racism.

A quick glance at their comment history reveals the same obsession—just like you. It’s telling how easily you resonate with that level of narrow-mindedness.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 6:43pm
Someone put it nicely - it's not the rain keeping people away from what was once a thriving tourist attraction - it's the second class treatment and even abuse, attacks and vandalism they cop.

Face it - this artificially contrived using public money 'business' has failed. Any ordinary business would be in receivership by now - instead of copping more funding out of treasury.

Anything set in place in opposition to public interest, using law or regulation etc, is a use of lawfare... something made instantly worse by having entire government bodies to support one side of the question in the event of any challenge to it.  That's called despotism using law and rules set up by law to enforce the will of government over the people = governmental lawfare.

There are many categories and sub-categories of lawfare..... stop being silly and just accept it as is....

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 23rd, 2024 at 10:01am
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/warnings-over-new-government-s-changes-to-public-drinking-laws/vi-AA1sH1y8?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=714a382d9e7f4f35e2638ae83240f334&ei=7

"Warnings over new government’s changes to public drinking laws

Tensions are flaring in the Northern Territory over changes to crime and justice policy as the second week of sittings for the new parliament gets underway. An Aboriginal politician has warned proposed public drinking measures could result in more people sleeping rough facing fines or jail time urging people to return to their remote communities."


Interesting........... this will take some observation.... coupla issues there....   8-)

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 23rd, 2024 at 11:22pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/new-jails-and-work-camps-to-be-build-in-the-nt-in-an-attempt-to-relieve-stress-on-the-territory-s-prison-system/vi-AA1sGbKd?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=e57c7829042b45dc92d2b553eded2218&ei=5

"New jails and work camps to be build in the NT in an attempt to relieve stress on the territory’s prison system.

The new Northern Territory government has today revealed a major, as yet uncosted, four year plan to build new jails and work camps to try and ease the pressure on the NT’s strained prison system. As part of the plan, youth detainees will be moved from Alice Springs to Darwin, which is already attracting criticism for taking young Aboriginal people from their land and families"


The Re-education Camps are fast becoming the reality.... something has to be done about the breakdown of law and the rise and rise in crime .... soon it will be the dedicated state of their own ... sort of the Gaza Strip of the NT .... cheapest option for all of Australia is to build Aborassic Park and Gondwanamo Bay.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 24th, 2024 at 7:16am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 6:43pm:
Someone put it nicely - it's not the rain keeping people away from what was once a thriving tourist attraction - it's the second class treatment and even abuse, attacks and vandalism they cop.

Face it - this artificially contrived using public money 'business' has failed. Any ordinary business would be in receivership by now - instead of copping more funding out of treasury.

Anything set in place in opposition to public interest, using law or regulation etc, is a use of lawfare... something made instantly worse by having entire government bodies to support one side of the question in the event of any challenge to it.  That's called despotism using law and rules set up by law to enforce the will of government over the people = governmental lawfare.

There are many categories and sub-categories of lawfare..... stop being silly and just accept it as is....


Lawfare is the use of legal systems and institutions to damage or delegitimise an opponent, or to deter an individual's usage of their legal rights.  The definition is pretty clear cut.

Rain impacting tourism at Uluru, or your desperate attempts to stir the pot by ignoring the story and highlighting the bigoted comment you had to go search out since the original article offers no comment section, because of course, bigotry is all you’re interested in, has absolutely nothing to do with Lawfare, no matter how many mental gymnastics you try.

The only way this could possibly be considered Lawfare is by mutilating the definition the same way you’ve bastardised “The Voice,” “Apartheid,” and even “truth.”

Your insistence that everything from journos writing about their holidays at Uluru to Coroner's reports on preventable deaths in custody—none of which remotely resemble Lawfare—just proves how far you’ll stretch reality to suit your warped agenda. You’ve polluted these threads with drivel, and at this point, it’s not even worth listing examples because you’ll just pretend not to see them anyway.

Let’s not forget, this whole charade didn’t even start with Lawfare. It started with you redefining "The Voice" and then claiming all these examples that fit your newly defined "The Voice" proves it's being “implemented by stealth”.

Yet another term you’ve twisted beyond recognition.

Most of the interaction you get from people is because you’re lying through your teeth or spewing misinformation. If you stopped, maybe we could get to actual discussions about real issues—but you’d probably oppose those anyway.

And looking at the garbage you offer as “solutions,” like your nonsensical hand-drawn maps and barely veiled “jokes” about segregation and genocide, even if you did stop lying, there’s still an uphill battle.

Because once people sift through the filth you post, they’re left with nothing but the hollow, venomous void you call “thought.”

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 24th, 2024 at 5:11pm
Hmmm - what do we have here....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/gunlom-falls-in-kakadu-to-reopen-after-historic-fine-under-nt-sacred-site-laws/vi-AA1sPh7t?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=0caa591dc3a44c89993b5bc943e7048d&ei=5#details

"Gunlom Falls in Kakadu to reopen after historic fine under NT sacred site laws
One of Kakadu National Park's most famous locations is set to reopen to visitors next year, after a landmark legal decision imposed the largest ever fine for a breach of the Northern Territory's sacred site laws. Traditional owners say the sentencing of Parks Australia is a major step towards repairing the relationship that underpins the management of the UNESCO-listed reserve."

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 25th, 2024 at 6:28am
Now this is front page news - a piece of contrived theatre:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/return-of-artefacts-after-50-years-will-be-remembered/ar-AA1sPJj4?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=5b8e9d9bfa9b4a31b307d924da70c26c&ei=13

"Among the collection of 24 objects are karli (boomerangs) Wurlampi (knives), Pikirri (spear thrower), Kurdiji (shields)."

Such largesse must have dragged that tribe back from the very edge of extinction due to the lack of those irreplaceable instruments!!  They were nearly out when the shipment arrived to replenish their tool supply...

This kind of 'story' is ridiculous.  These wouldn't have just been lifted - they were bought and paid for, traded in some way, and there was never any NEED for their return.  It's just an act of paternalistic kindness - a feel good moment that nobody even thought of until this bloke went for it.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 28th, 2024 at 1:30pm
Here come de judge.. here come de judge:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-government-enacts-measures-to-cope-with-prison-overcrowding/vi-AA1t1Oz0?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=2e91bf7b54f24ecf8d8362e35d5b632e&ei=7#details

"NT government enacts measures to cope with prison overcrowding
The Northern Territory's corrections commissioner says he's put in place emergency measures across the prison system, including shifting prisoners, to cope with record overcrowding. The union is disputing the measures and it's advising members not to attend work on Monday if they feel unsafe."


Ummmmmm - why are the prisons overcrowded?  Anyone? 

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 1st, 2024 at 11:14pm
Der cattle trucks have started - 36 women prisoners shipped 1500km to Darwin to make way for 20 men more in Alice Springs... rounding up the Usual Suspects.......

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-01/female-prisoner-move-traumatic-legal-expert/104545658

Stick to the issues, children ... or the issues will stick it to you...........

You also need to look at the 'cycle of imprisonment' for women up there (Kazaly), and why this is the case at all..... what is going wrong up there?

Well, shades of The Park ... re-education run by Elders:-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-09/alice-springs-alternative-to-custody-program-reducing-recividism/104424044

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 4th, 2024 at 8:45pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/larrakia-traditional-owner-richard-fejo-quits-public-role-over-nt-government-reducing-age-of-criminal-responsibility/ar-AA1tsQNX?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=acc9208e080842a3fc3c5f8469271751&ei=13#comments

"Larrakia traditional owner Richard Fejo quits public role over NT government reducing age of criminal responsibility

"Asenior Larrakia traditional owner has resigned from an official government-appointed role in protest against the Northern Territory's laws targeting youth crime.

Last month, the NT government passed legislation reducing the age of criminal responsibility, meaning children as young as 10 years old can once again face jail time in the territory.

For weeks, Larrakia man Richard Fejo had been reckoning with concerns from human rights and health experts that more First Nations children would end up behind bars under the change.

On Monday, after four years as chair of the Darwin Waterfront Corporation, Dr Fejo handed in his resignation.

"I'm sad to leave that position, but I will not represent — and I cannot represent — a government that is doing this to my people," he said.

"This is outrageous. We are the most imprisoned people."

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people make up about 85 per cent of the NT's prison population, despite accounting for just 26 per cent of the general population.

In recent weeks, the passing of anti-crime laws has coincided with an explosion of inmates inside territory prisons, with the NT government enacting "emergency measures" to free up more prison beds.

Dr Fejo's statement also comes amid renewed attention on racism toward Indigenous Territorians, after independent MP for Mulka Yingiya Guyula detailed a string of interactions where he felt he was treated differently because of his race.

Dr Fejo encouraged First Nations parents to "learn your rights" and called on other Larrakia leaders to "stand up" and come together in opposition to the NT government's laws.

"This is about my people and my principles," he said.

"And my principles say no child — First Nations or otherwise — deserves to be arrested and locked up at 10 years old.

"They don't have the mental capacity to understand their wrongdoing."

In a statement, Minister for Tourism and Hospitality Marie-Clare Boothby said the NT government's anti-crime laws "apply equally to everyone".

"It's what Territorians voted for in August," she said in a statement.

"If people aren't doing the wrong thing, they have nothing to worry about."

Ms Boothby also said: "Racism has no place in our society".

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 9th, 2024 at 9:55pm
They're starting to get some things right up there....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/health/other/mental-health-support-for-nt-culturally-diverse-and-regional-communities-in-state-of-crisis/ar-AA1tLkGZ?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=e0007add36584581cb6fcb224fd3a198&ei=7

"Mental health support for NT culturally-diverse and regional communities in 'state of crisis'

When Lazarus Manbulloo lost his mother and sister in the space of three years, the weight of his grief sent his life into a spiral.

"Given 'mental health' wasn't really in my culture and my life, experiencing that was a really tough time for me," he said.

"I went downhill and I had breakdowns and trauma."

The Jawoyn man from Katherine went on to seek mental health support, but he found the mental health services available in his community were inadequate to help him deal with the grief.

Most services in his community of Miali Brumby, or Kalano, on the outskirts of Katherine, were dedicated to Indigenous women, and he couldn't find anything tailored to Indigenous men.

In 2019, Mr Manbulloo decided to work with the Jawoyn Association to grow an initiative they were already running, to encourage conversations around mental health and wellbeing with the men in his community.

"I have been working along with the fellas talking about [mental health] issues in the community," he said.

"It's been helpful for me to support the fellas."

The culturally-led initiative, called the Munjymens Group, empowers Indigenous men with the skills and knowledge needed to address mental health issues.

The informal program combines Western and Indigenous ways of healing and knowledge to help with depression, anxiety and grief.

Mr Manbulloo said he takes men out to hunt and fish in the traditional ways and uses those activities as opportunities to talk about mental health.

He's now running these trips more often, and organising bush camps in outreach communities.

"We talk about lots of issues with mental health and it is good for them to understand [and] know that we have those sort of services," he said.


MORE ....  goin' git back to the land, set mah soul free!

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:58pm
Well - it looks like The Park or The Bay for them then...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/youth-detainees-caused-estimated-200-000-in-damage-half-an-hour-after-occupying-new-darwin-facility/vi-AA1tOcnP?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=74d28b23943743ff8252bbd31e9e040b&ei=13#details

"Youth detainees caused estimated $200,000 in damage half an hour after occupying new Darwin facility

In the space of just half an hour the Northern Territory government says young people inside Darwin’s new youth detention centre have cause nearly $200,000 worth of damage to their rooms. Youth justice advocates say it is more evidence prisons for traumatised young people, don’t work.
"

No hope for these kinds.... put 'em in The Homeland for re-education.... their way.... they are not going to give up their 'wear' on Whitey.... no sir - they're not going to come to heel and stop their criminal rampages... it's their right, innit?  And dividie mentioned the 'cultural' aspect...... if it's there, lift it in the H-G manner!!

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 12th, 2024 at 9:18am
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/critics-warn-new-legislation-in-the-nt-could-do-more-harm-than-good/vi-AA1tQoRh?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=bcfe7f10202248bdf3a8eb91695f0271&ei=4#details

Now the idea is that locking up people without bail for killing someone, while carrying out a crime and while armed to do so, is a terrible idea.... the critics say so - must be right, eh?  'Could' do more harm than good - just not at all likely to, eh?  Looks like they need a Two State Solution up there (Kazaly) and a Gon'Mo for the True Recalcitrants.  Something's gotta happen when one >26% total of the population (men, women and children) demographic accounts for 94% of the woman killings, let alone all the other crime.

"Critics warn new legislation in the NT could do more harm than good

The fatal stabbing of a Darwin bottle shop worker by a man out on bail last year shocked the top end. Now, new laws named after Declan Laverty have passed the NT parliament, making it harder for people charged with serious offences to get bail. But critics say the legislation could do more harm than good."


**did-ums**

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 15th, 2024 at 8:49pm
Hmmm - clamping down on truancy.....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/northern-territory-government-clamps-down-on-truancy-slapping-fines-on-parents-of-absentee-children/vi-AA1u2rbb?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=3c40dbd7e5c943f8a0f46d0a4280da12&ei=22

"Northern Territory government clamps down on truancy, slapping fines on parents of absentee children.

In the latest attempt to get Territory kids to school. A new brand of truancy officer will have the power to issue fines to the parents of absentee children. The government refreshing an approach employed by Tony Abbott in 2014, which experts say had mixed results."

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 15th, 2024 at 9:55pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/advocates-alarmed-over-children-in-custody-moving-to-darwin-prison/vi-AA1u80z1?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=c40f38a883a5425bf291d572ce2150cd&ei=11#details

"Advocates alarmed over children in custody moving to Darwin prison.

Central Australian community leaders are increasingly alarmed over plans to move young offenders from Alice Springs to the newly opened Darwin youth prison. The "emergency" measures are being introduced to address prison overcrowding, but critics say it will not only be costly but could further traumatise disadvantaged communities."


Hmmm - can't be shipping many White boys or Yellow boys or anything.... I wonder who?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:34pm
This could do with some watching ... wait for the luvvy groupie haters to come in when I post this perfectly neutral reporting of the news:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/nt-government-names-first-territory-coordinator-months-ahead-of-controversial-new-laws-coming-before-parliament/ar-AA1u83gW?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=46f6ef4c292740bfaee8549881a81d50&ei=15

"The NT government has named a former gas heavyweight as its first "Territory Coordinator", a new role the Country Liberal Party is promising will fast-track sluggish private investment.

Chief Minister Lia Finocchiaro announced on Thursday that Stuart Knowles, the former NT general manager at oil and gas giant Inpex, had been appointed to the role.

It comes as community consultation opens for the controversial draft Territory Coordinator laws, months ahead of their anticipated introduction to NT parliament.

The proposed laws would give the Territory Coordinator Minister, Ms Finocchiaro, broad powers to modify legal frameworks used to assess projects under an "exemption notice".

Mr Knowles, as an independent statutory officer, and Ms Finocchiaro would also hold the power to "step in" and take over the assessment process from other approval bodies.

"Currently there is a mishmash of powers and exemptions right across the legislation, impacting business in the territory," Ms Finocchiaro said.

"Approval time frames and unnecessary red tape is slowing down projects and acting as a deterrent to investing here."

According to figures cited by the NT government, in the two decades to June this year public investment in the NT increased by 191 per cent, while private business investment increased by only 34 per cent.

The draft legislation states "driving economic prosperity" as the "primary principle" that would guide the minister or Territory Coordinator's decisions.

An exemption notice — which would apply if there is a "duplication" of the statutory processes a project is assessed under and where "strict compliance" is deemed "unnecessary or problematic" — would require parliamentary approval.

But as the CLP holds a 17-member majority in parliament, the opposition and crossbench would have no power to block the move.

Deputy opposition leader Dheran Young said the proposed laws would give "unchecked power" to the government.

“This proposal would see extraordinary powers placed into the hands of one person, completely sidestepping important safeguards when it comes to new developments," he said.

Environment Centre NT director Kirsty Howey described the proposed legislation as "authoritarian" and "draconian".

She said Mr Knowles' appointment, three months before the legislation is expected to pass, showed "very clearly who these laws are designed for".

"Environmental regulation needs to be [at] arm's length and undertaken independently," she said.

"It's completely inappropriate to have industry influence and industry power over that decision-making process.

"It's an attack on our nature, water, climate — at the request of big business."

However NT Chamber of Commerce membership and marketing manager Glen Hingley said the Territory Coordinator would be a "game-changer" for small and large businesses.

"What we've got here is a fresh start. It's a fresh start in the way that we're communicating with industry," he said.

"So many small businesses in the territory are reliant upon the success [of] future projects."

Mr Knowles is also a member of the NT Chamber of Commerce board of directors.

The draft laws are open for public comment until January 17, and are set to be debated in parliament in March."



Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by mothra on Nov 16th, 2024 at 6:03am
Has anyone but Crappler ever posted on this thread?

Oh yes, Kanga tried in vain. Alas.

But seriously, it's all just Crappler posting the internet back to itself with little to no observance from bona fide humans.

It's like, so many degrees beyond sad.


Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 16th, 2024 at 6:11am
It matters not who posts the truth, petals - as long as it's posted.

It's not my problem that those of you with some personal grudge cannot argue successfully on these issues... but must instead rely on petty attempts at puerile put-downs instead.... just like yours, pet.

You're a Pom,  Kanga is a Kiwi .. WTF do you know about this country and its issues?

Sit by the river of Ozpol long enough, and you will one day see the body of your opponent's identity float past....

                             ;D                     ;D                          ;D                                 ;D                                                        ;D             

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by mothra on Nov 16th, 2024 at 6:18am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 6:11am:
It matters not who posts the truth, petals - as long as it's posted.

It's not my problem that those of you with some personal grudge cannot argue successfully on these issues... but must instead rely on petty attempts at puerile put-downs instead.... just like yours, pet.

You're a Pom,  Kanga is a Kiwi .. WTF do you know about this country and its issues?

Sit by the river of Ozpol long enough, and you will one day see the body of your opponent's identity float past....

                             ;D                     ;D                          ;D                                 ;D                                                        ;D             



I'm a pom? Well i never.

You know, of all of the things you've tried to pin on me, you've not been right once? As far fetched and wide reaching and desperate as your accusations have been.

Not. Right. Once.

You're a joke. A paranoid, delusional joke.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 16th, 2024 at 6:23am
**torpedo in the water**

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/report-concludes-no-evidence-of-racism-within-nt-police-since-2015/vi-AA1u7yc4?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=26c77c9bd5dc4a35b12b5dece8e2d462&ei=60

"Report concludes no evidence of racism within NT Police since 2015.

Northern Territory Police has accepted a report from a joint investigation with the Anti-Corruption Commission, that found 'mock awards' historically handed out to officers were "clearly racist". The report concluded there was no "admissible" evidence to investigate further, which has led some to challenge the findings and call for a wider investigation."


Where's Boris...... 'mock awards' ..... a little in-house joke.... and off they go like fire crackers...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 16th, 2024 at 6:26am

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 6:18am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 6:11am:
It matters not who posts the truth, petals - as long as it's posted.

It's not my problem that those of you with some personal grudge cannot argue successfully on these issues... but must instead rely on petty attempts at puerile put-downs instead.... just like yours, pet.

You're a Pom,  Kanga is a Kiwi .. WTF do you know about this country and its issues?

Sit by the river of Ozpol long enough, and you will one day see the body of your opponent's identity float past....

                             ;D                     ;D                          ;D                                 ;D                                                        ;D             



I'm a pom? Well i never.

You know, of all of the things you've tried to pin on me, you've not been right once? As far fetched and wide reaching and desperate as your accusations have been.

Not. Right. Once.

You're a joke. A paranoid, delusional joke.


Well - you said that your 'home town' was the one some Pommy bloke started off a musical festival - looking it up and it's in England.  Kanga said the Treaty of Waitangi was the foundation document of 'our country' (hir words)  .... ergo a Kiwi.... are you denying that, too?

If you're not a Pom, then hang your head in disgrace for your vapid views and personal nastiness in amongst your blatant immaturity....... traitor to this country!   

See what I mean about sitting alongside OzPol River? 

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by mothra on Nov 16th, 2024 at 6:39am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 6:26am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 6:18am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 6:11am:
It matters not who posts the truth, petals - as long as it's posted.

It's not my problem that those of you with some personal grudge cannot argue successfully on these issues... but must instead rely on petty attempts at puerile put-downs instead.... just like yours, pet.

You're a Pom,  Kanga is a Kiwi .. WTF do you know about this country and its issues?

Sit by the river of Ozpol long enough, and you will one day see the body of your opponent's identity float past....

                             ;D                     ;D                          ;D                                 ;D                                                        ;D             



I'm a pom? Well i never.

You know, of all of the things you've tried to pin on me, you've not been right once? As far fetched and wide reaching and desperate as your accusations have been.

Not. Right. Once.

You're a joke. A paranoid, delusional joke.


Well - you said that your 'home town' was the one some Pommy bloke started off a musical festival - looking it up and it's in England.  Kanga said the Treaty of Waitangi was the foundation document of 'our country' (hir words)  .... ergo a Kiwi.... are you denying that, too?

If you're not a Pom, then hang your head in disgrace for your vapid views and personal nastiness in amongst your blatant immaturity....... traitor to this country!   

See what I mean about sitting alongside OzPol River? 


I no more see anything that you mean any more than i have any idea of what you're talking about.

Knowing you though, i believe the answer to the riddle lies in you having absolutely no idea of what is being said to you.

Ever.

Never in my life have i encountered anyone so oblivious and so desperate to fill in the outlines of their own preconceived narrative.

You just make it all up as you go along to fill in the blanks in your thinking. You don't think about actual facts presented and apply logic to them.

And goddammit it it's beyond frustrating.

And all the while you're congratulating yourself.

Chess with a pigeon.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 16th, 2024 at 6:51am

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 6:39am:
I no more see anything that you mean any more than i have any idea of what you're talking about.

Knowing you though, i believe the answer to the riddle lies in you having absolutely no idea of what is being said to you.

Ever.

Never in my life have i encountered anyone so oblivious and so desperate to fill in the outlines of their own preconceived narrative.

You just make it all up as you go along to fill in the blanks in your thinking. You don't think about actual facts presented and apply logic to them.

And goddammit it it's beyond frustrating.

And all the while you're congratulating yourself.

Chess with a pigeon.


And that, Poppets, is both a rant and a demonstration of someone who has lost any chance of placing an effective argument, but is forced instead to retreat into twisting and turning personal stuff.......

Well - society marches on without you, you know......... all those things happen regardless of your personal advocacy for non-causes and inability to even understand what the issues are ...... those kids will still be removed from danger at a rate 12 times greater than all others... in the NT one demographic will continue to account for 94%+ of women killings and will be incarcerated at a massively higher rate for wrongdoings, will still be unemployable due to refusal to learn etc, will still suffer the highest rates of FAS etc, will still be lead up the garden path by 'governments' into first thinking they are getting one over on Whartey by copping 'rights' to land and stuff and then being shown how to sell it off for thirty pieces of silver so as to benefit primarily the Silverbacks and leave the rest still in loin cloths after a party  .... along with now being shipped off to the gulags - as I've discussed over and over..... then there is the growing question of a Two State Solution to all this............

Indeed - this IS like playing chess with pigeons..... I can name them for you, too!!

You, and a few other lost souls, can carry on and on with your personal nonsense - but you haven't yet changed one thing and you haven't yet come up with a single idea on how to deal with problems.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 16th, 2024 at 7:35am
Back to reality:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/investigation-launched-into-design-of-holtze-youth-detention-centre-after-detainees-cause-estimated-200-000-in-damages/vi-AA1tY7IV?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=cd8299d4a6504ec68661f5bd8a6f11f7&ei=26

"Investigation launched into design of Holtze Youth Detention Centre after detainees cause estimated $200,000 in damages

The Northern Territory government is launching an investigation into what the Chief Minister says was an ‘ideologically driven’ design of the new Holtze Youth Detention Centre. Last week 6 youth detainees causing $200,000 of damage to the facility and the government wants to know how the design was approved"


So the answer will be indestructible cell equipment..... probably not the most comfortable and/or comforting... but them's the breaks when you do the breaks.  Kids on a kollision kourse with the revolving door.

'Ideologically driven' means Labor government thought the soft soap would work with criminals hardened from birth and knowing no better.  The Park sounds a better option with re-education under genuine Elders...... now then ... first problem... where TF are those kinds of Elders to be found ....

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by SadKangaroo on Nov 16th, 2024 at 8:06am
Engaging with him is an exercise in futility.

His posts are not a genuine attempt at highlighting examples of lawfare nor a nuanced critique of the Voice by stealth, not that they ever really were. Instead, they are transparent propaganda, crafted not to illuminate but to manipulate, distorting facts to fuel his obsessive hatred for Indigenous Australians.

It’s the same predictable pattern every time, and it's not limited to these "lawfare" threads.

The moment anything remotely positive about Indigenous people is shared, he and his ilk pounce like vultures, eager to derail the discussion and regurgitate their obsessive hatred. They can’t stand the idea of Indigenous success or recognition, it’s a direct affront to their warped worldview. Their responses aren’t arguments; they’re tantrums, driven by bitterness and a compulsive need to spread their vitriol at every opportunity.

His threads are not built on substance but on malice, twisting narratives to fit his toxic agenda. Attempting to reason with someone so wilfully obtuse is a fool’s errand. As many have pointed out, reason cannot penetrate the armour of the unreasonable.

He has shown himself to be incapable of engaging with facts, relying instead on petty insults, ill-conceived "gotcha" traps, and an astonishingly shallow understanding of the issues at hand.

Frankly, the best course of action as others have said is to let time take its toll, allowing his vile worldview to rot in the grave with him. His inability to engage in good-faith discussions renders any dialogue utterly worthless.

His only goal is to broadcast his hatred while evading accountability for it.

And as for the laughable "Kiwi" insult? It’s yet another feeble attempt to deflect from his glaring intellectual inadequacies.

He is a caricature of bad faith, undeserving of attention or engagement.

Leaving him to stew in his echo chamber is the ultimate affront to his fragile ego. Deprived of an audience, he flails desperately, concocting feeble "traps" to bait others into engagement, pathetic attempts at validation that inevitably fall flat when met with the indifference they deserve.

He imagines his contrived retorts are clever or cutting, but the reality is far sadder: they remain unheard, echoing uselessly in his padded room of irrelevance. Nothing infuriates him more than being left alone with the futility of his own existence.

It's been quite delicious watching his desperation and attention seeking increase over time.

I suggest you have a taste Mothra :)

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 16th, 2024 at 1:09pm
Look at that exercise in futility, fantasy and desperation... look, kid, I know the tricks - you can't turn that word 'desperation' I used on you around and try to make it someone else's problem.  YOUR desperation is shown by that incredible rant down there!!

You've got nothing so off you go.... you haven't discussed one issue of law being used as a weapon up there, Kazaly.

Smell the fear.... hear the despair and wailing ... see the crying .... watch the desperation grow and grow as each fortress falls one by one....  NT .... Queenslund ..... Trump wins.... all closing the doors on riotous criminal behaviour.. all locking up the serious criminals and deporting them for 're-education' - and if it catches your pet groups - that's because they are the prime movers in riotous criminal behaviour... the figures don't lie...

You're all going down... going down.... best you get on the right side of history now .... you might not get a second chance....

Kinda makes The Park look like a walk in the park, eh?  Coupla years under the guidance of genuine and thinking 'elders', being taught the proper ways to behave, and then review by a parole board to see if they can be released back into Civilised Society.... at least they're not being shipped off to Gon'Mo ..................... not just yet.....

Full Two State Solution or the full Park for criminals only or negotiate with large currently held areas up there to re-educate them properly .....

"Great job re-educating there, boys!  Here's your half of the reward, Errol - and here's yours Tairowan!"

"Thanks, Boss - here's my half of boy back and there Tai's... dat boy 'e just don't LISTEN so we split 'im 'tween us, OK?!"

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 17th, 2024 at 6:36am
Keep them kettles boiling, boys...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/advocates-alarmed-over-children-in-custody-moving-to-darwin-prison/vi-AA1u8uOj?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=e769dcee110a4364a8ffb672abf376e8&ei=14#details

Advocates are alarmed.... Aboriginal  advocates!  Must somehow - for dividie - mean that they consider this to be an Aboriginal problem - this shifting of kids into re-reducation facilities - for the other heroes here, of course, that means more useless tears over criminals who had done serious harm to others in countless ways.

The only White and Other kids you see being shipped to the facilities are White Aborigines.... but don't let reality intrude too much so early in the morning...

;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 24th, 2024 at 11:58pm
Arrr - they be a wild bunch up there (Kazaly):-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/more-women-being-jailed-in-the-northern-territory-than-ever-before/vi-AA1uxB46?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=0952a966cdb24a04b3be97d4de1718ff&ei=5#details

"More women being jailed in the Northern Territory than ever before
Northern Territory incarceration rates are among the highest in the world, and more women are being jailed than ever before. Nationally, the number of Aboriginal women behind bars has more than doubled in the last three decades. Advocates say the figures show there needs to be an overhaul to the way women are being dealt with by the law."


Why should women be dealt with differently by the law?  Please explain??   8-)

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 26th, 2024 at 7:19am
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-domestic-violence-victim-speaks-out-as-police-force-starts-first-of-its-kind-training-for-first-responders/ar-AA1uJTJt?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=0242824b3f8e4f3ee2655ed692ecb089&ei=17

"A deep cut runs along her forearm, chunks of her hair are missing, and a scar wraps her ankle where she was allegedly stabbed and left to bleed out.

She is a woman wearing the scars of survival in the Northern Territory.

"I was just rolling around, fighting for the last bit of my life," says Annie, describing the alleged attack by her former partner in Darwin in August.

Annie is not her real name. The ABC is not using her name or image, to protect her safety.

Annie's close brush with death is not unusual in the Northern Territory, where intimate partner homicide is seven times the national average. Eight women — all Indigenous — have been killed in domestic violence in the NT in just under six months.

It is a crisis expected to worsen in the Northern Territory, where levels of disadvantage and poverty are entrenched.

On Monday, the findings of a landmark inquiry into the domestic violence-related deaths of four other territory women were handed down in Alice Springs.

Coroner Elisabeth Armitage made 35 recommendations and called for a significant funding boost to the domestic, family and sexual violence sector in the territory, also announcing she would hold a second major inquiry into the issue.

Annie is using her voice to raise awareness about domestic violence in the Northern Territory, where cultural barriers and distance can often make it hard for the stories of Aboriginal victims to be properly heard.

"I know who I am, I'm a strong Yolŋu woman and I want other people to hear my story, so they feel comfortable within themselves as a woman," Annie said.

Annie fears violence is becoming normalised and says the cultural shame of speaking out — or getting the law involved — can make it harder for women like her to be up-front.

"It's really bad and sadly they just think it's normal, like it's a part of life," she said.

"The cycle hasn't been broken and it needs to be broken."

Annie suffered cardiac arrest after the assault and was on life support for a week. She still cycles in and out of hospital, as she tries to get by in a body that isn't the same.

She's lost mobility in her right hand and finds it hard to sleep at night because of the chronic pain.

"I've lost some sensations [across] some patches of my body, I've lost feeling, it's all tingly and numb," Annie said.

Before living in Darwin, Annie says she was in a violent relationship with her former partner in the remote Top End community where they lived, and she did what the law told her to do to stay safe.

With the help of police, she took out a domestic violence order against her then-partner, who was sentenced to prison for prior offences against her.

For extra security, Annie says she was placed on a Family Safety Framework plan by Territory Families and transferred to Darwin with her small children for safety.

But Annie says her situation changed when her partner was released from jail without her knowledge and managed to track her down through relatives in the city, where the August assault took place.

Annie says she was taken off the Family Safety Framework prior to her former partner being released from jail and says it was a decision that almost took her life.

"They set me up to fail … they said they were going to send me over here, get me a place and keep me safe," she said.

"A lot of women are dying because they are not getting protected properly."

The Northern Territory Police Force says a man is in police custody and is facing charges over the alleged assault.

The ABC has contacted Territory Families for comment.

On the other end of town, a landmark domestic violence training program is being delivered to first responders — which has victim-survivors in the box seat.

Holly Gurruwiwi, a survivor of domestic violence, is sharing her lived experience with NT police recruits to better their understanding of violence, community life and how to respond to women and children.

"There's a massive crisis right now in the Northern Territory," she said.

"I can tell you right now [that] crocodiles are safer and more protected than Aboriginal women and that's a fact."

Ms Gurruwiwi credits Acting Superintendent Erica Gibson, who previously worked in north-east Arnhem Land and now works in Wadeye, for helping her leave her violent relationship eight years ago and says she's the reason she's able to use her voice.

"She never once judged me in conversations, she didn't look through a deficit lens, which we are unfortunately used to as Aboriginal women," she said.

"The landscape of DV in the Northern Territory would be significantly different if every police station had an Erica working there."

Ms Gurruwiwi now wants to see change among first responders and the community more broadly.

Ms Gurruwiwi now wants to see change among first responders and the community more broadly.

"As Indigenous people, sometimes we are very quick to point the finger at Northern Territory police," she said.

"I don't think anyone has the ability to blame anyone at the moment unless we are doing what we can."


More .......

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 26th, 2024 at 6:37pm
Story on ABC right now - the perp had already been done for manslaughter for killing another woman.  2-0 ...

https://freeview.com.au/watch-tv/shows/f56c3219-698a-4451-93ba-741c6e1a85a3

Might have to wait til tomorrow to get this episode.

30% of the population - men, women and kids ... accounts for 94% of the women killings and likely almost 100% of domestic violence.  Must be a white plot, eh?

Where's Boris?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 27th, 2024 at 4:37pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australia-s-largest-coronial-inquest-into-domestic-violence-killings-in-the-nt-delivers-its-verdict-and-the-government-is-set-to-consider-its-recommendations/vi-AA1uOR8P?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=d6a2897f57924bd0d2d9f4a8eb36d5c2&ei=37


Australia’s largest coronial inquest into domestic violence killings in the NT delivers its verdict, and the government is set to consider its recommendations

As the dust settles on Australia’s largest coronial inquest into domestic violence killings in the Northern Territory, the focus is not on the suite of recommendations handed down by the coroner. But with the NT already more than 11 billion dollars in debt, advocates say a key question remains unanswered: where is the money coming from to implement these changes?

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jan 6th, 2025 at 6:34pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/the-northern-territory-s-prison-crisis-hits-hard-in-wadeye-as-some-try-to-make-change/vi-AA1x0sWO?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=0cec36b41310485ab053b9e688ab676e&ei=10#details

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Grappler Deep State Feller on Feb 25th, 2025 at 6:37am
Just when you thought it was safe to go back into OzPol:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/alice-springs-prison-school-closes-as-young-people-moved-to-darwin/vi-AA1zy37l?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=9aaaf0ba8baf441e8ad4f94e0f044f93&ei=22#details

"Alice Springs prison school closes as young people moved to Darwin
The Northern Territory government has closed a long-running school at the Alice Springs Youth Detention Centre. Central Australian social workers and teachers say it is a blow to young people and the community. The NT government says all youth detainees at Alice Springs are being transferred to Darwin and it is working with the school's principal to transition staff to other roles."


Round 'em up!  Heeeeead 'em up!  MOVE 'EM OUT!  On their way to the proto-Homeland up Arnhem Land way ..... might as well get straight on to the two state solution and get it over with... it's a de facto homeland there anyway... put it to full use.... plenty of native foods and native medicines there...

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Jasin on Feb 25th, 2025 at 7:20am
Abos killing themselves in prison cells because they can't handle the isolation after 40,000 years of it.

Title: Re: NT Lawfare
Post by Frank on Jun 7th, 2025 at 4:28pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
So let's try again.

I'll strip off all the petty provications you've included I your post and try to focus on the article and what little opinion you've provided,


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 8:51am:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/the-enormous-law-and-order-agenda-the-northern-territory-s-clp-government-is-bringing-to-parliament/ar-AA1sg0IS?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=138b1528d806485cf910a5bd11d903e3&ei=14

I note the term used is 'intervention in a young person's life/problems' - not incarceration - let's hear it from the monkey gallery who would love to have 10 yos stealing, smashing and burning their cars, ramming police cars and ram raiding with them  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D ....... anything for a hate session.... DUH....


After reading it, I'd summarise it as follows:

[i]The CLP government in the NT are preparing to present a law-and-order agenda in parliament. This legislative package aims to tackle issues such as crime and public safety. Among the key proposals are tougher measures on youth crime, including lowering the age of criminal responsibility from 12 to 10 years old.

It also includes stricter penalties for offences like ram-raiding and public drinking, as well as "Declan's Law," which targets repeat youth offenders.




greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7th, 2025 at 3:01pm:
Who taught these kids to be so criminal - their parents?



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