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Message started by Bobby. on Feb 24th, 2024 at 6:04am

Title: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Bobby. on Feb 24th, 2024 at 6:04am
Was it illegal, cheap Chinese cladding again like at the Grenfell Tower?


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68379253


Valencia fire: Ten bodies found as Spanish police search gutted flats


1 hour ago

In all, 138 flats housing 450 people were devastated by the fire.


"The reason the [building] burned so fast is because of this type of cladding," said Esther Puchades, the college vice president who said she had previously inspected the building.

Although the aluminium-covered panels were not considered combustible, that type of cladding was allowed under building regulations at the time of the building, which was finished in 2008, but has since been banned.

But there was no programme to strip the banned cladding away, which was what happened in the UK following the Grenfell Tower fire in 2017, where the process continues.




Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by I, Robot on Feb 24th, 2024 at 1:31pm
Imagine a 'forest fire' of all those high rise slum buildings packed together like in other parts of the world.
Couple of missile strikes or arson and places like Hong Kong that are densely packed can go up whooshka!

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 24th, 2024 at 1:44pm
Bobby and JaSin are covered in cheap Chinese 'cladding'.

If that was removed they would be economically non-viable.

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by I, Robot on Feb 24th, 2024 at 1:55pm
You really have 'over-done' yourself and become a bore with your repetitive posts.  ::)

You obviously lack originality.
Even worse if you claim aboriginality.

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Bobby. on Feb 24th, 2024 at 1:57pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 1:55pm:
You really have 'over-done' yourself and become a bore with your repetitive posts.  ::)

You obviously lack originality.
Even worse if you claim aboriginality.



LTYC must be at least tinted.

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:15pm
Jasin and Bobby are burning up with apoplexy as they invent and inflame trivia into smoldering nonsense.

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Bobby. on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:16pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:15pm:
Jasin and Bobby are burning up with apoplexy as they invent and inflame trivia into smoldering nonsense.



Was it illegal, cheap Chinese cladding again like at the Grenfell Tower?

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:18pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:16pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:15pm:
Jasin and Bobby are burning up with apoplexy as they invent and inflame trivia into smoldering nonsense.



Was it illegal, cheap Chinese cladding again like at the Grenfell Tower?


Capitalists profit from the death of the proletariat.

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Bobby. on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:20pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68378968

Did cladding enable the fire to spread?

Experts have suggested that cladding on the outside of the building could have been a factor in enabling the fire to spread rapidly.

Cladding is added to the facade of modern buildings to keep the weather at bay. Behind the panels there is usually an air space to help insulation and prevent damp.

Esther Puchades, vice president of the College of Industrial Technical Engineers of Valencia, told Spanish news agency Efe she had previously inspected the building.

She said its exterior featured a polyurethane material, which is no longer in wide use because of fears over flammability. It also has an aluminium covering.

"The reason the [building] burned so fast is because of this type of cladding," she told Spanish media.






The cladding has been described by experts as effective for heat insulation but the ventilation, or gap, between it and the covering means it can be highly flammable.

Luis Sendra, of Valencia's architects' association, said this can cause a "chimney effect", allowing fires to spread more quickly.

The specific type of cladding on the buildings in Valencia is still unclear, and some types of cladding are more flammable than others.

A 2007 promotional video by the building's developer mentioned the "innovative material" used to clad the building's exterior, which passed "rigorous quality checks".

The issue of flammable cladding gained prominence in the UK after the 2017 Grenfell Tower disaster, in which 72 people died when a tower block in west London caught fire.

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Bias_2012 on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:21pm
"Although the aluminium-covered panels were not considered combustible"

Probably weren't tested first for combustibility



Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Bobby. on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:23pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:21pm:
"Although the aluminium-covered panels were not considered combustible"

Probably weren't tested first for combustibility



Someone needs to hang for this.    >:(

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:29pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:23pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:21pm:
"Although the aluminium-covered panels were not considered combustible"

Probably weren't tested first for combustibility


Someone needs to hang for this.    >:(


Resurrect Jesus and crucify him for the sins of others.

Punish the architects for not designing these buildings to collapse like the 9/11 towers which didn't have any Chinese cladding.

Who started the F**KING  fire?

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Bobby. on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:31pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:23pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:21pm:
"Although the aluminium-covered panels were not considered combustible"

Probably weren't tested first for combustibility


Someone needs to hang for this.    >:(


Resurrect Jesus and crucify him for the sins of others.

Punish the architects for not designing these buildings to collapse like the 9/11 towers which didn't have any Chinese cladding.

Who started the F**KING  fire?



Read my Reply #8.

It was possibly illegal construction with illegal materials.

It was a death trap.

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:34pm
Life is a death trap.

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Bobby. on Feb 24th, 2024 at 3:07pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:34pm:
Life is a death trap.



Look at the Grenfell tower disaster:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire


7 years have passed -
no one has gone to jail - no one has been hanged.



On 14 June 2017, a high-rise fire broke out in the 24-storey Grenfell Tower block of flats in North Kensington, West London, at 00:54 BST and burned for 60 hours. Seventy people died at the scene, and two people died later in hospital, with more than 70 injured and 223 escaping. It was the deadliest structural fire in the United Kingdom since the 1988 Piper Alpha oil-platform disaster and the worst UK residential fire since the German Bombings of World War II.

The fire was started by an electrical fault in a refrigerator on the fourth floor.[note 1] This spread rapidly up the building's exterior, bringing flames and smoke to all residential floors, accelerated by dangerously combustible aluminium composite cladding and external insulation, with an air gap between them enabling the stack effect.




Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 24th, 2024 at 3:12pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 3:07pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:34pm:
Life is a death trap.



Look at the Grenfell tower disaster:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire


7 years have passed -
no one has gone to jail - no one has been hanged.
...


The dirty laundry has been hanged.

How can a refrigerator turn into a howling inferno?

How did the fire escape externally up the building?

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Bobby. on Feb 24th, 2024 at 5:50pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 3:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 3:07pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 2:34pm:
Life is a death trap.



Look at the Grenfell tower disaster:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire


7 years have passed -
no one has gone to jail - no one has been hanged.
...


The dirty laundry has been hanged.

How can a refrigerator turn into a howling inferno?

How did the fire escape externally up the building?



Read the link - it's all explained.

forgiven
namaste

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 24th, 2024 at 5:53pm
You first Bobby.

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Bobby. on Feb 25th, 2024 at 3:17pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 5:53pm:
You first Bobby.


2nd paragraph:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire

The fire was started by an electrical fault in a refrigerator on the fourth floor.[note 1] This spread rapidly up the building's exterior, bringing flames and smoke to all residential floors, accelerated by dangerously combustible aluminium composite cladding and external insulation, with an air gap between them enabling the stack effect.

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 25th, 2024 at 8:40pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25th, 2024 at 3:17pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 24th, 2024 at 5:53pm:
You first Bobby.


2nd paragraph:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire

The fire was started by an electrical fault in a refrigerator on the fourth floor.[note 1] This spread rapidly up the building's exterior, bringing flames and smoke to all residential floors, accelerated by dangerously combustible aluminium composite cladding and external insulation, with an air gap between them enabling the stack effect.


How could a fridge fire escape out the window and climb the building?

I must confess that in a near lifetime, I have never seen a raging fridge fire, let alone one that can race up the side of buildings. In fact, I have never seen one fridge fire.

What was the brand name of the fridge?

....

Wait a minute ... did Bobby have a stash of dodgy fuses secreted in that location?

...

another flash:

could 9/11 have been caused by fridges on the aircraft? Those fridge infernos seemed to climb down the buildings instead of up.

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Bobby. on Feb 25th, 2024 at 10:38pm
Feb 25, 2024

The death toll resulting from a rapid and intense fire that swept through a multi-story apartment building in Spain on Thursday has now reached 10, according to local authorities.

The devastating blaze erupted on Thursday evening in the Campanar neighborhood of the eastern Spanish city of Valencia around 5:30 p.m. local time.

Authorities provided an update on Friday afternoon, confirming that there are no more missing individuals, contradicting earlier reports from Spanish media indicating that up to 15 people were unaccounted for.

The fire originated on the fourth floor of one section of the complex and rapidly extended to an adjoining building.

Disturbing footage from the scene captures the entire complex consumed by flames, with firefighters fervently working to extinguish the fierce blaze.

Flames emerged from windows, and emergency responders utilized a crane to rescue two residents from a balcony.

In a daring move, a firefighter had to jump from the first floor to a safety mat below, Fox News reported.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8yGNbSnmcY

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 25th, 2024 at 11:01pm
Was the owner of the burning fridge arrested and prosecuted?

Did the CIA demand to interrogate the fridge owner regarding 9/11?

Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Bobby. on Feb 25th, 2024 at 11:02pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 25th, 2024 at 11:01pm:
Was the owner of the burning fridge arrested and prosecuted?

Did the CIA demand to interrogate the fridge owner regarding 9/11?



Was it a Palestinian fridge?


Title: Re: Cheap Chinese cladding kills again?
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 26th, 2024 at 12:26am

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25th, 2024 at 11:02pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 25th, 2024 at 11:01pm:
Was the owner of the burning fridge arrested and prosecuted?

Did the CIA demand to interrogate the fridge owner regarding 9/11?


Was it a Palestinian fridge?


No. American. Genocide brand. Manufactured by the IDF affiliate company in the USA.

It is Kosher.

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