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General Discussion >> Thinking Globally >> Ukraine is losing the war. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1703910602 Message started by Bobby. on Dec 30th, 2023 at 2:30pm |
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Title: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Bobby. on Dec 30th, 2023 at 2:30pm
Some excerpts from a good article here:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html Ukraine’s hopes for victory fade in the face of waning Western support and Putin’s relentless war machine Analysis by Tim Lister, CNN 7 minute read Updated 10:32 AM EST, Fri December 29, 2023 As December came to a close, Ukraine suffered the biggest Russian air attack since the start of the full-scale invasion. Russia fired 158 drones and missiles – including hypersonic Kinzhals – at targets across Ukraine on Friday, killing at least 18 people and injuring scores more. Zelensky said Russia used “nearly every type of weapon in its arsenal” in the strikes. The Russian way of war, absorbing hideous losses of men and materiel but throwing yet more into the fight, has blunted the Ukrainian military’s tactical and technological edge, as its top general admitted in a candid essay last month. The mood in Moscow seems grimly determined: the goals of the “special military operation” will be achieved, and the fighting will continue until they are. President Joe Biden speaks at the Wisconsin Black Chamber of Commerce, Wednesday, Dec. 20, 2023, in Milwaukee. (AP Photo/Morry Gash) Biden to sign new executive order to ‘strengthen’ sanctions against Russia As the long frontline becomes ever more calcified, the Kremlin senses greater skepticism among Kyiv’s Western backers that Ukraine can recover the 17% of its territory still occupied by Russian forces. Russian President Vladimir Putin is relishing the much more partisan atmosphere in Washington, where many in the Republican Party are questioning the purpose of sending Ukraine another $61 billion worth of aid as requested by the Biden administration, assessing that it will achieve little on the battlefield. But the Russians’ vast reserves of manpower and hardware (Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu boasted that he could raise 25 million men if necessary) mean they can continue bludgeoning the smaller Ukrainian military, making incremental gains at enormous cost. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Bobby. on Dec 30th, 2023 at 2:38pm
I said right from the start -
Zelensky should have given NATO an ultimatum right from the start - 24th Feb, 2022 - either NATO troops and weapons join the fight in Ukraine or Ukraine surrenders and NATO will have Russia on their borders. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Bobby. on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:29pm How many poor Ukrainians has Zelensky sent to their deaths in an unwinnable war? He won't tell anyone - it's a State secret - so he says. Estimates are from 100,000 to half a million or even a lot more. How much Ukrainian property and infrastructure has been destroyed? I've heard estimates as high as US$ 1 trillion - and possibly more. 90% of the beautiful city of Mariupol has been destroyed as just one example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Mariupol |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 30th, 2023 at 4:33pm
CNN is fake news.
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Lots of good videos showing Russian crap being blown up from that link |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Bobby. on Dec 30th, 2023 at 4:37pm Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 4:33pm:
Lots of good videos showing Russian crap being blown up from that link[/quote] Did you read the article? But the Russians’ vast reserves of manpower and hardware (Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu boasted that he could raise 25 million men if necessary) mean they can continue bludgeoning the smaller Ukrainian military, making incremental gains at enormous cost. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 30th, 2023 at 4:45pm Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 4:37pm:
Did you read the article? But the Russians’ vast reserves of manpower and hardware (Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu boasted that he could raise 25 million men if necessary) mean they can continue bludgeoning the smaller Ukrainian military, making incremental gains at enormous cost.[/quote] I have read many articles on this war. Most thought Russian would win in a couple of months how long has it been going on? Massive equipment losses from Russia their tanks are useless they lost a few planes on Xmas day. Is that the first time a MANPAD has shot down a missile? ;) |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Bobby. on Dec 30th, 2023 at 5:23pm
Baron -
Ukraine can't win any more than Hitler could win. Russia is too large and has too many men to send into the meat grinder. Russia doesn't care about how many of their own men are killed - they have no respect for human life - they are not normal human beings - they are psycho killers. Stalin sacrificed 25 million Russian people to beat the Germans. Putin is no different - Russians are crazy. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Bobby. on Dec 30th, 2023 at 5:49pm Putin is a mass murderer who should be hanged at the Hague - U.N.’s International Court of Justice - but that will never happen. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by JC Denton on Dec 30th, 2023 at 9:38pm Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 5:23pm:
ukraine is taking far more losses than the russian federation is in order to defend.. uh... can't figure that out yet, but it's definitely worth dying over |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 30th, 2023 at 10:03pm Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 5:23pm:
Ukraine are defending their land. Are you saying they should bend over and let Russia take over their land? |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by JC Denton on Dec 30th, 2023 at 10:04pm Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 10:03pm:
probs gonna be the same result eitherway |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 21st, 2024 at 10:22pm Quote:
Russian aircraft are no match for US Patriot missiles. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 29th, 2024 at 10:23pm Quote:
The US Patriot missiles are shooting down Russian planes. Israel is proving Russian air defences are no match for F35 in Syria. Russian tanks are steel coffins when put up against decent ATGM. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Mattyfisk on Feb 29th, 2024 at 11:43pm
Russia will ultimately lose in Ukraine. It can't possibly occupy a country of Ukraine's size that now hate's Russia's guts. Don't believe me?
Go to Afghanistan. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by chimera on Mar 4th, 2024 at 11:07pm
Soviet comrades helped old ladies across roads in Poland and East Germany for 40 years. Six million others wanted to but were dead fighting Germans. Putin thinks krauts want to invade Russia again. Krauts want to use the big missiles and they have all Europe in NATO now. As Putin lost .3m troops for 150km in Ukraine, the whole country will take 2million Russian dead. 2mill for Poland. 2 mill for Germany, again. Then they can help old..
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by I, Robot on Mar 5th, 2024 at 12:27am chimera wrote on Mar 4th, 2024 at 11:07pm:
Putin and Russia are trying to use the past as a justification for their actions. The old 'fear of nazis' again card. In truth, Germany went 'supernova' with their Military/Political/Religious sense of identity that it inherited from the Middle-East. It's gone, done, dusted. They gave up their 'holy ghost'. The Jews died for their sins. Now Germans are more interested in Eurovision, Music, Medicine, Sport and all the Lefty interests. A case of returning back to its original 'European' identity before it became, like most of Europe - oppressed by the Middle-East with 'its' Christianity. ...even now, despite Putin. It's France's turn to cough up its Holy Ghost back to the Middle-East via Islam's last great Jihad (because they've been watching Dune ;) :D). After will be Italy's turn as its Mafia/Vatican also 'supernova'. And finally it will be Britains. Europe is shedding its fake (Mid-Eastern) skin, rejecting the American skin as well and learning to be comfortable in their 'own European' skin. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by chimera on Mar 5th, 2024 at 6:59am
Another reason for Putin to crusade for the Third Rome, golden churches and nuke hell-fire. Old Nick was Slavic too.
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Bobby. on Mar 5th, 2024 at 7:03am
The poor people of Ukraine.
I said right from the start - Zelensky should have given NATO an ultimatum right from the start - 24th Feb, 2022 - either NATO troops and weapons join the fight in Ukraine or Ukraine surrenders and NATO will have Russia on their borders. Why did they get into a war they cannot win? |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by chimera on Mar 5th, 2024 at 8:56am |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Laugh till you cry on Mar 5th, 2024 at 9:09am
Uncle Sam is insisting that Ukraine fight to the last Ukrainian.
The Ukraine war is causing disunity in the EU and that suits the USA's objective of preventing EU unity. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by chimera on Mar 5th, 2024 at 9:12am
Putin is insisting that NATO men in Ukraine will cause nuking which will divide Europe into 2 groups: the dead and the living.
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by I, Robot on Mar 5th, 2024 at 11:52am
"If we can't have it, no-one will" Putin will nuke the hell out of it if NATO 'invades' Ukraine on NATO's behalf.
It will become a 'no-mans-land' country. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by philperth2010 on Mar 5th, 2024 at 4:13pm Bobby. wrote on Mar 5th, 2024 at 7:03am:
Putin Invaded Ukraine and you expect them to cave like cowards....Ukraine was not part of NATO and Zelensky had no leverage to force them to join the fight....Putin is an evil dictator who should be opposed by the whole free world....By your reasoning any country who is attacked by a superior power should surrender!!! ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Laugh till you cry on Mar 5th, 2024 at 6:21pm philperth2010 wrote on Mar 5th, 2024 at 4:13pm:
The CIA destabilized Ukraine and deposed a previous Ukraine government that was on good terms with Russia. The USA continued to destabilize Ukraine after the government was deposed. The current Ukraine government is hostile to Russia. It is arguable that Russia had no choice because Ukraine had become USA's proxy. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Bobby. on Mar 5th, 2024 at 6:29pm philperth2010 wrote on Mar 5th, 2024 at 4:13pm:
Phil, you don't know your history. Do a Google search on how Paris was declared an open city 11 June 1940: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_city |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by I, Robot on Mar 5th, 2024 at 6:37pm
Phil. Do you think Ukraine is genociding Russians like Israel is doing to the HAM-ASSes?
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by chimera on Mar 5th, 2024 at 6:42pm Bobby. wrote on Mar 5th, 2024 at 6:29pm:
but not on 10th May. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by chimera on Mar 5th, 2024 at 6:47pm Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 5th, 2024 at 6:21pm:
Correct. The Green Eye Reptilians of the Rothschild bank own CIA Inc and Biden Octopus Ltd. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by I, Robot on Mar 5th, 2024 at 6:53pm
The Green Reptilians own all the Military in the World - its a cold-blooded business laying in the grass.
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by chimera on Mar 5th, 2024 at 6:59pm
All the St George and Dragon monuments show the Reptile as full of fight. He took Beijing years ago.
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by I, Robot on Mar 5th, 2024 at 7:11pm
The Dragon is the Middle-East.
It was as good as Europe could get with Mr St George. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by chimera on Mar 5th, 2024 at 7:23pm
Yaroslav the Wise employed St George in Russian Ukraine, in 1054. 'Ivan II was the first ruler of Moscow to employ as his emblem the standing warrior with a sword in his hand. Ivan's son Dmitry Donskoy chose to represent this warrior riding a horse with a spear in his hand. Historians traditionally connect Dmitry's symbol with his victory over the Mongols 1380'.
The dragon narrowly escaped from Mongolia to China and India's temples as makara crocodile. This has Iranian/ Iraqi origins from the Tigris river dragon-boats. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Bobby. on Mar 5th, 2024 at 8:20pm
NATO countries are helping Ukraine to hit targets in Russia
which could lead to a strike by Russia at NATO. Scott Ritter said it could lead to a nuclear strike by Russia as Putin has threatened - it's not a game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5KLzPbUheE |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by I, Robot on Mar 5th, 2024 at 9:17pm
Ukraine is losing ground fast.
Russia used 2023 to build its forces up during the stalemate. Now its moving forward. This clip is a good update on how things are going. Even Simon Whistler gets quite emotional at the end of the clip - which is rare. Biden has failed Ukraine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFZkukqojk0 |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by aquascoot on Mar 5th, 2024 at 9:20pm
if i could borrow one of brians yawns
it was the case 12 months ago that eventually ukraine runs out of ukrainians and does a deal. nothing has changed in the last 12 months except a lot more ukranians are dead. vlad is going to get a bit of eastern ukraine and zelensky is going to go live with george clooney in hollywood and the USA military industrial complex is going to record great shareholder dividends the sooner they declare it over the less of the young ukranian men will die (that is , if there are any of them left) |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by I, Robot on Mar 5th, 2024 at 9:40pm
Ukraine's only hope is that China goes Supernova in all directions against India and Russia (both allies).
Thus forcing Russia to about face and try to keep China taking resource rich 'yellow' Siberia and slice Russia in half. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Laugh till you cry on Mar 5th, 2024 at 10:01pm
Russia has not used tactical nuclear weapons yet because Ukraine is not worth being targeted by such weapons.
Ukraine is lashing out and NATO members are shooting from their mouths. Russia has not yet used its full might and maybe did not want to reveal to NATO its most powerful weapons, apart from the fact that Ukraine is not worthy of being targeted by Russia's most powerful weapons. It is certain that Russia is holding back weapons it might need to use against NATO countries. UK, Germany, and France are in dire economic circumstances and if the war came to their cities their economies would collapse. The UK is already engaged against Yemen and may have to recall its forces from the Red Sea. There is also the possibility that other US-enemy countries may take the opportunity for a free hit if the current wars widen to world-class status. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by chimera on Mar 6th, 2024 at 6:30am Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 5th, 2024 at 10:01pm:
It spends big on the dud Armata tank and jets that fall out of the sky. And hyper missiles that "" "" "". Putin's weapon is millions of Mongol boys from Siberia, tons of them. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Baronvonrort on Mar 6th, 2024 at 9:46pm Quote:
Ukraine showing Russian navy is just as vulnerable as their AF. Quote:
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by I, Robot on Mar 6th, 2024 at 10:21pm chimera wrote on Mar 6th, 2024 at 6:30am:
Yeah - Russia gets Orcs from Asia, like Islam gets Goblins from Africa. :D |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by it_is_the_light on Mar 6th, 2024 at 10:23pm Bobby. wrote on Mar 5th, 2024 at 8:20pm:
Excellent content 👍🏽 |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Bobby. on Mar 6th, 2024 at 10:29pm it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 6th, 2024 at 10:23pm:
Thanks, 10/4 good Buddy. |
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Laugh till you cry on Mar 6th, 2024 at 10:49pm
A Russian tactical nuclear strike on the sites where NATO personnel are present would probably be enough to prevent more shenanigans by NATO.
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by chimera on Mar 7th, 2024 at 6:18am
Exactly. Free Palestine. Destroy Ukraine. Laugh cry.
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Title: Re: Ukraine is losing the war. Post by Bobby. on Mar 7th, 2024 at 6:46am https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/06/russia-ukraine-zelensky-missile-strike-odessa/ Russian missile strike hits near Zelensky motorcade in Odessa By Isabelle Khurshudyan Updated March 6, 2024 at 12:12 p.m. KYIV — A Russian missile strike appeared to target Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Wednesday, landing near his motorcade in the Black Sea port city of Odessa, where the president was meeting with Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis. Zelensky and members of the Greek delegation were not harmed, despite the missile landing some 500 feet away, Greek officials told the Protothema news outlet. The Ukrainian presidential office did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Foreign leaders have made frequent trips to Ukraine throughout the country’s two years of war with Russia, and this isn’t the first time there has been a strike on a city at the same time as one’s visit. But Wednesday’s incident stood out for how close the missile strike was to both Zelensky and Mitsotakis — what some Western leaders condemned as a new low for Moscow, which has committed thousands of atrocities against civilians throughout its invasion. European Council President Charles Michel wrote on X that the attack was “another sign of Russia’s cowardly tactics in its war of aggression against Ukraine.” “This is reprehensible and below even the Kremlin’s playbook,” Michel added. Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, said on X: “No one is intimidated by this new attempt at terror — certainly not the two leaders on the ground nor the brave people of Ukraine. More than ever, we stand by Ukraine.” Explosion at rail bridge deep inside Russia shows Ukraine’s reach Zelensky and Mitsotakis were visiting the Odessa port when, about 10:40 a.m., air raid sirens were heard. The explosion then occurred within minutes. “We witnessed the strike today,” Zelensky told reporters afterward. “You see who we’re dealing with; they don’t care where to hit. I know there were casualties today; I don’t know all the details yet, but I know there are casualties.” |
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