‘So much for being lucky’: Lotto winner loses access to pension after winning $60,000

News.com.au
December 30, 2023

A widower who won $60,000 on the Lotto only to have his pension ‘unexpectedly’ cut off is warning other Australians to be careful what they wish for.   :(

Frank Kemmler, 70, from Adelaide, told his family they were going on a holiday after he learnt he had won thousands of dollars in a Lotto draw.

“It was certainly a nice feeling when I checked me numbers,” he told A Current Affair on Friday.

“I rang the family. I said, ‘pack up, we’re going on a holiday!’”

The excitement quickly came crashing down when he visited his local Centrelink and was told access to his pension would be cut as his Lotto winnings, paid out every month, was considered a form of income.

“[It] was a bit of a disillusionment. You think you win on the one hand, but they take it away with the other hand,” he shared.

“It was so unexpected, it took me a couple of days to realise I had just been cut off for no reason at all. So much for being lucky.”

The 70-year-old was told his monthly Lotto winnings were considered a form of income.

Mr Kemmler said he would have taken his winnings as a lump sum but he wasn’t given the option.

The 70-year-old has now been left to pay full price for GP appointments and medication which were previously covered under the pension.


Mr Kemmler’s monthly payments have also now died up. But when he reapplied to receive the pension on December 1, he was told “they were so busy” and he could wait for up to six months to receive the benefits.

“Anybody would think I grew younger, I grew a year older not a year younger,” he said.   :(

Mr Kemmler said he wasn’t given the option to receive his Lotto winnings as a lump sum.

He urged Aussies on the pension to be careful if they’re lucky enough to win Lotto as they too could have their benefits cut.

“The pension is not really my main worry, because I’m just trying to stop other people from falling into the same trap,” he said.


“These people that are buying these [lottery] tickets, there’s no warning anywhere … to say that you’re going to lose your pension.

“If I’d known then what I know now, I would’ve given the win to my daughter and kept the pension for myself.”

A spokesperson from Services Australia told news.com.au they “extend an offer to work directly with Mr Kemmler to ensure he’s getting the support he is eligible for”.

There is something odd about this. I had thought that lottery winnnings were exempt from from classification as income and any sort of taxation, at least for a certain amount of time.   In any case, $ 60,000 will hardly set him up for life.

Wins aren't or shouldn't be considered income. Otherwise losses would be tax deductable.

this story does not add up.
a 60 grand windfall would not see you lose all those benefits.

my elderly parents have $200 k in the bank and still get a health care card

try not to make stuff up white knight

"Mr Kemmler said he wasn’t given the option to receive his Lotto winnings as a lump sum.”

I thought Lotto was a lump sum win.    What other way is there to take your winnings?    I know in America it is a heavily taxed lump sum Vs a lower taxed monthly/annual amount.

What's the bet the truth is that the old codger was receiving income from a source other than his winnings.

Vic wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 10:43am:

I thought Lotto was a lump sum win.    What other way is there to take your winnings?

it may have been one of those 'win for life' scratchie things where you get a set amount every week, and the reporter is lazily just calling it all lotto.

I know someone who won $125,000 on a Scratchie - but he could only get it via fortnightly payments, not a Lump Sum. There was no option.
He still received the pension.

WhiteKnight has been partying too hard this time of year.  ;D

While the winnings are not taxed, once it hits your bank account it becomes an asset. And depending on other assets may cause the pension to be stopped.

No wonder so many pensioners hide their cash 'under the mattress' these days.

And the government knows they do but there isn't anything they can do about it at the moment and that's one of the reasons why they're trying to get rid of cash altogether.

The Reserve Bank apparently keeps track of banknotes in circulation and they've noticed that a large number of 50 and 100 dollar notes have been out of circulation for many years (because they're 'hidden' under mattresses, etc.).

I recall one of the (former?) mods here - I think it was Andrei Hicks - telling us some years ago about his elderly parents in Queensland having about $100,000 in cash hidden around the house so they wouldn't lose their pension and healthcare benefits, etc.

Can't say I blame them actually. Especially these days where it seems that honest people get screwed by governments and business.

And I'm sure they would have been just the 'tip of the iceberg'.

lee wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 1:22pm:

While the winnings are not taxed, once it hits your bank account it becomes an asset. And depending on other assets may cause the pension to be stopped.

Every Govt. pension is means tested.

I know someone who couldn't work after a triple heart bypass but
because he owned a little unit that he was renting out
he couldn't get a DSP  pension.

Centerlink wanted him to sell his unit and then pay the Govt capital gains tax
and then live off that money as he still wouldn't be entitled to a pension.

So - he went to the Govt. for help wanting money and
their solution was for him to give them money.

Anything to save a buck with Centrelink.

People on Centrelink benefits who also work can lose their benefits if they get fired from their job. I know of a person who got fired from their job, unfairly. Even though Fair Work Australia sided with the worker in that the worker was unfairly dismissed, because that person signed a new workplace contract, they were considered a new employee -- despite being with the company for many years. This prevented action being taken against the company.

Centrelink saw this as an opportunity to halt benefits for 8 weeks to the person. Even though the person got another job straight away with a competitor, it was lean spending for a while.

The only happy ending was that the previous company had some mismanaging executives who were so arrogant that they ran the company into the ground.

Carl D wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 1:31pm:

No wonder so many pensioners hide their cash 'under the mattress' these days. And the government knows they do but there isn't anything they can do about it at the moment and that's one of the reasons why they're trying to get rid of cash altogether. The Reserve Bank apparently keeps track of banknotes in circulation and they've noticed that a large number of 50 and 100 dollar notes have been out of circulation for many years (because they're 'hidden' under mattresses, etc.). I recall one of the (former?) mods here - I think it was Andrei Hicks - telling us some years ago about his elderly parents in Queensland having about $100,000 in cash hidden around the house so they wouldn't lose their pension and healthcare benefits, etc. Can't say I blame them actually. Especially these days where it seems that honest people get screwed by governments and business. And I'm sure they would have been just the 'tip of the iceberg'.

taker mentality

learning how to be a better leaner  ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 3:14pm:

taker mentality learning how to be a better leaner  ::) ::)

People paid high taxes all their working lives to give other people pensions
and when it's their time to get some of their tax back as a pension
the Govt. uses every excuse to get out of it.

What happened?
The Govts didn't set their tax money aside or invest it to
pay back some day but they spent it all and then
borrowed a trillion dollars more.
The Govts lost your money and now don't want to pay it back -
they can't pay it back -
they even have to borrow money to pay you.
That causes high inflation too.

lee wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 1:22pm:

While the winnings are not taxed, once it hits your bank account it becomes an asset. And depending on other assets may cause the pension to be stopped.

Yep.

Unfortunately, that's what happened  :(

Centrelink just looks at the balance of your account - it makes no difference where the money came from.

EDIT: Okay, I didn't actually read all of the story.

He receives the $60,000 in instalments (?).

Something doesn't add up here.

EDIT #2: Oh, and A Current Affair is involved!?

Yeah, nah.  Something isn't right.

Carl D wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 1:31pm:

No wonder so many pensioners hide their cash 'under the mattress' these days.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 3:14pm:

taker mentality learning how to be a better leaner  ::) ::)

I know a few pensioners who would be more than happy to pay you a visit in Nowheresville, Outback Queensland (population: always 10) and 'lean' on you if I showed them your post.  [smiley=evil.gif]

Carl D wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 1:31pm: No wonder so many pensioners hide their cash 'under the mattress' these days. aquascoot wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:14pm: taker mentality learning how to be a better leaner  ::) ::) I know a few pensioners who would be more than happy to pay you a visit in Nowheresville, Outback Queensland (population: always 10) and 'lean' on you if I showed them your post.  [smiley=evil.gif]

i know a tax department who would call them criminals

whiteknight wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 9:30am:

The 70-year-old was told his monthly Lotto winnings were considered a form of income. Mr Kemmler said he would have taken his winnings as a lump sum but he wasn’t given the option. .

Lump sum lotto wins are not considered  income.

You still have assets test for pension. If you want to gift money from assets to anyone there is a $10K per year limit for reducing assets with Centrelink. If you give away more than $10K a year they don't reduce this from your assets they only reduce your assets by 10K. This is to stop people giving money to family to qualify for pension.

Any monthly payments are considered income for pension income test this includes lotto games like set for life.

If you're on the pension don't play games that give winnings in monthly payments play those which give lump sums.

Fortunately it's not something that most people have to worry about -

only a handful of people win lotteries every year.

It is a bit rough considering Govts already make $billions out of lotteries in taxes.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 3:57pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:38pm: Carl D wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 1:31pm: No wonder so many pensioners hide their cash 'under the mattress' these days. aquascoot wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:14pm: taker mentality learning how to be a better leaner  ::) ::) I know a few pensioners who would be more than happy to pay you a visit in Nowheresville, Outback Queensland (population: always 10) and 'lean' on you if I showed them your post.  [smiley=evil.gif] i know a tax department who would call them criminals

Really?

What crime have they committed?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 4:15pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:57pm: Carl D wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:38pm: Carl D wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 1:31pm: No wonder so many pensioners hide their cash 'under the mattress' these days. aquascoot wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:14pm: taker mentality learning how to be a better leaner  ::) ::) I know a few pensioners who would be more than happy to pay you a visit in Nowheresville, Outback Queensland (population: always 10) and 'lean' on you if I showed them your post.  [smiley=evil.gif] i know a tax department who would call them criminals Really? What crime have they committed?

lying on the asset test and claiming excessive centrelink benefits

very serious crime

amazing leaners cant see their own moral bankruptcy

aquascoot wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 4:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 4:15pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:57pm: Carl D wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:38pm: Carl D wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 1:31pm: No wonder so many pensioners hide their cash 'under the mattress' these days. aquascoot wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:14pm: taker mentality learning how to be a better leaner  ::) ::) I know a few pensioners who would be more than happy to pay you a visit in Nowheresville, Outback Queensland (population: always 10) and 'lean' on you if I showed them your post.  [smiley=evil.gif] i know a tax department who would call them criminals Really? What crime have they committed? lying on the asset test ...

What lie, exactly?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 4:51pm:

What lie, exactly?

Any money you have is an asset. It depends whether it is over the deeming level. It doesn't have to be in the bank.

gweggy exposed again

when you think about trump all day, you cant keep up with other issues

we call this "opportunity cost"

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 4:51pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 4:29pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 4:15pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:57pm: Carl D wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:38pm: Carl D wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 1:31pm: No wonder so many pensioners hide their cash 'under the mattress' these days. aquascoot wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:14pm: taker mentality learning how to be a better leaner  ::) ::) I know a few pensioners who would be more than happy to pay you a visit in Nowheresville, Outback Queensland (population: always 10) and 'lean' on you if I showed them your post.  [smiley=evil.gif] i know a tax department who would call them criminals Really? What crime have they committed? lying on the asset test ... What lie, exactly?

Was the question too hard for you?

What lie do they tell which is a criminal offence?

Here's the form: https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf

So, where does it say "Do you ave any cash hidden under your mattress?"

I'm curious.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 5:05pm:

gweggy exposed again

Actually, you've been exposed as a liar (once again).

Where on the form does it ask to declare all cash?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf

I'm curious.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 5:16pm:

Where on the form does it ask to declare all cash?

"Financial investments

Tell us about any financial investments you and your partner own, or partially own, in and outside Australia. Financial investments include any of these:

    bank, building society and credit union accounts
    cash on hand
    deeming accounts
    term deposit accounts
    uncleared cheques
    managed investments, including margin loans
    shares and securities."

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/asset-types?context=22526

lee wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 4:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 4:51pm: What lie, exactly? Any money you have is an asset. It depends whether it is over the deeming level. It doesn't have to be in the bank.

Really?

Which section on the form asks the applicant to disclose their cash assets not in the bank?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf

Answered above Dufus. ::)

lee wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 5:20pm:

Answered above Dufus. ::)

Which section on the official form that applicants must sign asks for disclosure of cash?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf

Just give me the number.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Which section?

Which one do you want it to be. Services Australia clearly says you must disclose. So if it isn't on the form, ask. Therefore, ignorance is no excuse. Although in your case, we may make an exception. ::)

Carl D wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

I know a few pensioners who would be more than happy to pay you a visit in Nowheresville, Outback Queensland (population: always 10) and 'lean' on you if I showed them your post.

Literally, if you kicked the Zimmer frame from them.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

lee wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 5:20pm: Answered above Dufus. ::) Which section on the official form that applicants must sign asks for disclosure of cash? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give me the number.

I did a.pdf search for cash and it's not mentioned as cash on hand.

That's strange as they ask every other possible question.

hi gweggy

if i'm wrong, i'll leave the forum forever  ;D ;D ;D

aquascoot wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

hi gweggy if i'm wrong, i'll leave the forum forever  ;D ;D ;D

;D

aquascoot wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 3:14pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 1:31pm: No wonder so many pensioners hide their cash 'under the mattress' these days. And the government knows they do but there isn't anything they can do about it at the moment and that's one of the reasons why they're trying to get rid of cash altogether. The Reserve Bank apparently keeps track of banknotes in circulation and they've noticed that a large number of 50 and 100 dollar notes have been out of circulation for many years (because they're 'hidden' under mattresses, etc.). I recall one of the (former?) mods here - I think it was Andrei Hicks - telling us some years ago about his elderly parents in Queensland having about $100,000 in cash hidden around the house so they wouldn't lose their pension and healthcare benefits, etc. Can't say I blame them actually. Especially these days where it seems that honest people get screwed by governments and business. And I'm sure they would have been just the 'tip of the iceberg'. taker mentality learning how to be a better leaner  ::) ::)

What a load of horse poo Aqua

A $60k win on anything, Lotto, Keno or Scratchies(which are also run by Lotto) is SFA.

I have a small amount in my bank account & under $300k in my super & I still get the pension.

Either this old bloke already had close to too much in his bank or asset capital ....

or he's been royally savved by CentreLink. 

Thanks for the form Greggy - it's hilarious.
Stalin and Karl would be proud of those commies.
https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf



Quote:

37 Do you (and/or your partner) own, partly own or have a financial interest in any motor vehicles, motor cycles or trailers? The current market value is the price that you would expect to get if you sold the item. It is not the replacement or insured value. Include: • all furniture (including soft furnishings such as curtains), antiques and works of art • electrical appliances such as televisions and fridges • jewellery for personal use and hobby collections (for example, stamps, coins)

My answer:
I have a 25 year old chair worth $2.   ;D
I have a 6 year old toaster than I paid $14 for from Aldi that doesn’t work properly.  ;D

Gnads wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:14pm: Carl D wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 1:31pm: No wonder so many pensioners hide their cash 'under the mattress' these days. And the government knows they do but there isn't anything they can do about it at the moment and that's one of the reasons why they're trying to get rid of cash altogether. The Reserve Bank apparently keeps track of banknotes in circulation and they've noticed that a large number of 50 and 100 dollar notes have been out of circulation for many years (because they're 'hidden' under mattresses, etc.). I recall one of the (former?) mods here - I think it was Andrei Hicks - telling us some years ago about his elderly parents in Queensland having about $100,000 in cash hidden around the house so they wouldn't lose their pension and healthcare benefits, etc. Can't say I blame them actually. Especially these days where it seems that honest people get screwed by governments and business. And I'm sure they would have been just the 'tip of the iceberg'. taker mentality learning how to be a better leaner  ::) ::) What a load of horse poo Aqua A $60k win on anything, Lotto, Keno or Scratchies(which are also run by Lotto) is SFA. I have a small amount in my bank account & under $300k in my super & I still get the pension. Either this old bloke already had close to too much in his bank or asset capital .... or he's been royally savved by CentreLink.

i was talking to carl, not this fictitous individual.

but , no, you never want to win lotto

you never want a dollar you didnt earn

Research has shown that after one year, lottery winners go back to their baseline. Some are even less happy,” he said in a TED Talk earlier this year.

“A few probably spent their money on a big mansion or a fancy car. Maybe they spent it all on gambling. But even so, at the end of three months, it’s just a house, it’s just a nice car. You get used to it,” says Chopra, who has written a number of books about happiness. He calls this phenomenon hedonic adaptation, which is a concept that refers to people’s general tendency to return to a set level of happiness despite life’s ups and downs.

In the talk, Chopra explains the four things that have been scientifically linked to happiness:

1  family and children

2  friends

3  giving

4  gratitude


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/31/harvard-professor-says-winning-20-million-lottery-wont-make-you-happy-but-heres-what-will.html

Lottery winnings aren't subject to income tax but the resulting increase in assets will trigger a reassessment of what benefits you're entitled to.

As others have said, the 60 would have pushed him over a cutoff threshold.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:13pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:01pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:14pm: Carl D wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 1:31pm: No wonder so many pensioners hide their cash 'under the mattress' these days. And the government knows they do but there isn't anything they can do about it at the moment and that's one of the reasons why they're trying to get rid of cash altogether. The Reserve Bank apparently keeps track of banknotes in circulation and they've noticed that a large number of 50 and 100 dollar notes have been out of circulation for many years (because they're 'hidden' under mattresses, etc.). I recall one of the (former?) mods here - I think it was Andrei Hicks - telling us some years ago about his elderly parents in Queensland having about $100,000 in cash hidden around the house so they wouldn't lose their pension and healthcare benefits, etc. Can't say I blame them actually. Especially these days where it seems that honest people get screwed by governments and business. And I'm sure they would have been just the 'tip of the iceberg'. taker mentality learning how to be a better leaner  ::) ::) What a load of horse poo Aqua A $60k win on anything, Lotto, Keno or Scratchies(which are also run by Lotto) is SFA. I have a small amount in my bank account & under $300k in my super & I still get the pension. Either this old bloke already had close to too much in his bank or asset capital .... or he's been royally savved by CentreLink.  i was talking to carl, not this fictitous individual. but , no, you never want to win lotto you never want a dollar you didnt earn

The dollar I may use to buy a lotto ticket once in a while ...... I phukkin earned.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:11pm:

Thanks for the form Greggy - it's hilarious. Stalin and Karl would be proud of those commies. https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Quote: 37 Do you (and/or your partner) own, partly own or have a financial interest in any motor vehicles, motor cycles or trailers? The current market value is the price that you would expect to get if you sold the item. It is not the replacement or insured value. Include: • all furniture (including soft furnishings such as curtains), antiques and works of art • electrical appliances such as televisions and fridges • jewellery for personal use and hobby collections (for example, stamps, coins) My answer: I have a 25 year old chair worth $2.   ;D I have a 6 year old toaster than I paid $14 for from Aldi that doesn’t work properly.  ;D

;D ;D ;D

I have a nearly 15 year old Hyundai Getz with over 150,000k on the clock and is insured for $5,246 (including accessories).

I wonder if I'll need to 'declare' that when I apply for the age pension in about 6 months time?

I also wonder if the pollies have to fill in a form like that Centrelink one when they apply for their pensions?

For example - our former WA Premier Mark McGowan who now gets a $300,000 a year taxpayer funded pension on top of what he's getting paid for the 4 private sector jobs he currently has.

Did he have to fill in that form?

Carl D wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:11pm: Thanks for the form Greggy - it's hilarious. Stalin and Karl would be proud of those commies. https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Quote: 37 Do you (and/or your partner) own, partly own or have a financial interest in any motor vehicles, motor cycles or trailers? The current market value is the price that you would expect to get if you sold the item. It is not the replacement or insured value. Include: • all furniture (including soft furnishings such as curtains), antiques and works of art • electrical appliances such as televisions and fridges • jewellery for personal use and hobby collections (for example, stamps, coins) My answer: I have a 25 year old chair worth $2.   ;D I have a 6 year old toaster than I paid $14 for from Aldi that doesn’t work properly.  ;D ;D ;D ;D I have a nearly 15 year old Hyundai Getz with over 150,000k on the clock and is insured for $5,246 (including accessories). I wonder if I'll need to 'declare' that when I apply for the age pension in about 6 months time? I also wonder if the pollies have to fill in a form like that Centrelink one when they apply for their pensions? For example - our former WA Premier Mark McGowan who now gets a $300,000 a year taxpayer funded pension on top of what he's getting paid for the 4 private sector jobs he currently has. Did he have to fill in that form?

You need to declare everything -
even your: knife, fork and spoon and plate you use for dinner.

Stalin said.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:26pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:11pm: Thanks for the form Greggy - it's hilarious. Stalin and Karl would be proud of those commies. https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Quote: 37 Do you (and/or your partner) own, partly own or have a financial interest in any motor vehicles, motor cycles or trailers? The current market value is the price that you would expect to get if you sold the item. It is not the replacement or insured value. Include: • all furniture (including soft furnishings such as curtains), antiques and works of art • electrical appliances such as televisions and fridges • jewellery for personal use and hobby collections (for example, stamps, coins) My answer: I have a 25 year old chair worth $2.   ;D I have a 6 year old toaster than I paid $14 for from Aldi that doesn’t work properly.  ;D ;D ;D ;D I have a nearly 15 year old Hyundai Getz with over 150,000k on the clock and is insured for $5,246 (including accessories). I wonder if I'll need to 'declare' that when I apply for the age pension in about 6 months time? I also wonder if the pollies have to fill in a form like that Centrelink one when they apply for their pensions? For example - our former WA Premier Mark McGowan who now gets a $300,000 a year taxpayer funded pension on top of what he's getting paid for the 4 private sector jobs he currently has. Did he have to fill in that form? You need to declare everything - even your: knife, fork and spoon and plate you use for dinner. Stalin said.

Would I have to declare my Honda?


https://i.ibb.co/mvnB7LJ/1.jpg

Gordon wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

Would I have to declare my Honda? https://i.ibb.co/mvnB7LJ/1.jpg

Of course and the person who gave it to you would have to declare it too as a gift.

54 –

Quote:

What you gave away or sold for less than its market value (for example, money, car, second home, land, farm)

Stalin said.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:41pm: Would I have to declare my Honda? https://i.ibb.co/mvnB7LJ/1.jpg Of course and the person who gave it to you would have to declare it too as a gift. 54 – Quote: What you gave away or sold for less than its market value (for example, money, car, second home, land, farm) Stalin said.

I guess I'll have to sell my investment properties and give away Honda so I can get a  tiny Govt stipend for a weekly can of cat food.   >:(

Gordon wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:44pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:41pm: Would I have to declare my Honda? https://i.ibb.co/mvnB7LJ/1.jpg Of course and the person who gave it to you would have to declare it too as a gift. 54 – Quote: What you gave away or sold for less than its market value (for example, money, car, second home, land, farm) Stalin said. I guess I'll have to sell my investment properties and give away Honda so I can get a  tiny Govt stipend for a weekly can of cat food.   >:(

investment properties    ;D

Don't even bother filling it out.

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf

question 44.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 5:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 5:21pm: lee wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 5:20pm: Answered above Dufus. ::) Which section on the official form that applicants must sign asks for disclosure of cash? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give me the number. I did a.pdf search for cash and it's not mentioned as cash on hand. That's strange as they ask every other possible question.

That's right.

The official form does not ask how much cash they have.

I've filled in about half a dozen of those forms for my parents, so I know.

I filled one out in a Centrelink office recently (when my father passed away) and the Centrelink officer told me that I only needed to declare what money my mother had in banks, super, etc.

So, once again, aquascoot is full of sh!t.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:48pm:

I filled one out in a Centrelink office recently (when my father passed away) and the Centrelink officer told me that I only needed to declare what money my mother had in banks, super, etc.

So they don't know about the cash yet? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Bobby. wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:48pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:44pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:41pm: Would I have to declare my Honda? https://i.ibb.co/mvnB7LJ/1.jpg Of course and the person who gave it to you would have to declare it too as a gift. 54 – Quote: What you gave away or sold for less than its market value (for example, money, car, second home, land, farm) Stalin said. I guess I'll have to sell my investment properties and give away Honda so I can get a  tiny Govt stipend for a weekly can of cat food.   >:( investment properties    ;D Don't even bother filling it out. https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf

My mum has loads of $ and I believe all she gets is a travel card. If I can get that I'll be happy

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 5:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 5:21pm: lee wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 5:20pm: Answered above Dufus. ::) Which section on the official form that applicants must sign asks for disclosure of cash? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give me the number. I did a.pdf search for cash and it's not mentioned as cash on hand. That's strange as they ask every other possible question. That's right. The official form does not ask how much cash they have. I've filled in about half a dozen of those forms for my parents, so I know. I filled one out in a Centrelink office recently (when my father passed away) and the Centrelink officer told me that I only needed to declare what money my mother had in banks, super, etc. So, once again, aquascoot is full of sh!t.

But what about the $100K under his mattress?

Gordon wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:48pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:44pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:41pm: Would I have to declare my Honda? https://i.ibb.co/mvnB7LJ/1.jpg Of course and the person who gave it to you would have to declare it too as a gift. 54 – Quote: What you gave away or sold for less than its market value (for example, money, car, second home, land, farm) Stalin said. I guess I'll have to sell my investment properties and give away Honda so I can get a  tiny Govt stipend for a weekly can of cat food.   >:( investment properties    ;D Don't even bother filling it out. https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf My mum has loads of $ and I believe all she gets is a travel card. If I can get that I'll be happy

I know someone who gets nothing because he has super and some shares.

lee wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:48pm: I filled one out in a Centrelink office recently (when my father passed away) and the Centrelink officer told me that I only needed to declare what money my mother had in banks, super, etc. So they don't know about the cash yet? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

They knew about it on the day I filled out the forms, but they said there was no need to declare it.

"Just answer all the questions on the form, honestly" were her exact words.

And as we all now know, the form does not ask anything about cash under the mattress, in the wallet/purse, or anywhere else.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:48pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 5:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 5:21pm: lee wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 5:20pm: Answered above Dufus. ::) Which section on the official form that applicants must sign asks for disclosure of cash? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give me the number. I did a.pdf search for cash and it's not mentioned as cash on hand. That's strange as they ask every other possible question. That's right. The official form does not ask how much cash they have. I've filled in about half a dozen of those forms for my parents, so I know. I filled one out in a Centrelink office recently (when my father passed away) and the Centrelink officer told me that I only needed to declare what money my mother had in banks, super, etc. So, once again, aquascoot is full of sh!t. But what about the $100K under his mattress?

It wasn't quite that much, and I (i.e. mum) didn't have to declare it.

"Just answer all the questions on the form, honestly" were the Centrelink officer's exact words.

And, as we all now know, the form does not ask anything about cash under the mattress, in the wallet/purse, or anywhere else.

About 5 or 10 years back I was reading about a country (I believe it was somewhere like Denmark but I'm not sure) where once you reached pension age you received a letter from the government and/or their Centrelink 'equivalent' congratulating you on reaching pension age and informing you that your pension payments will commence on whatever the date was when you became eligible.

I assume they must already have your bank account details on their records so they can commence payments (they probably have it from their Tax Department or whatever they call it over there).

No 18 page, 60 question forms to fill in like Australia.

No questions about assets such as ancient $2 chairs or $14 dodgy Aldi toasters.  ;D

Nothing but getting the age pension when eligible and not having any 'hoops' to jump through just to get it.

Sounds like Heaven.  8-)

Carl D wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 7:03pm:

About 5 or 10 years back I was reading about a country (I believe it was somewhere like Denmark but I'm not sure) where once you reached pension age you received a letter from the government and/or their Centrelink 'equivalent' congratulating you on reaching pension age and informing you that your pension payments will commence on whatever the date was when you became eligible. I assume they must already have your bank account details on their records so they can commence payments (they probably have it from their Tax Department or whatever they call it over there). No 18 page, 60 question forms to fill in like Australia. No questions about assets such as ancient $2 chairs or $14 dodgy Aldi toasters.  ;D Nothing but getting the age pension when eligible and not having any 'hoops' to jump through just to get it. Sounds like Heaven.  8-)

Australia is a fools paradise - we put up with it and keep voting for their crap.

Carl D wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 7:03pm:

About 5 or 10 years back I was reading about a country (I believe it was somewhere like Denmark but I'm not sure) where once you reached pension age you received a letter from the government and/or their Centrelink 'equivalent' congratulating you on reaching pension age and informing you that your pension payments will commence on whatever the date was when you became eligible. I assume they must already have your bank account details on their records so they can commence payments (they probably have it from their Tax Department or whatever they call it over there). No 18 page, 60 question forms to fill in like Australia. No questions about assets such as ancient $2 chairs or $14 dodgy Aldi toasters.  ;D Nothing but getting the age pension when eligible and not having any 'hoops' to jump through just to get it. Sounds like Heaven.  8-)

That happens in Austria.

60 for women, and 65 for men.

lee wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:48pm: I filled one out in a Centrelink office recently (when my father passed away) and the Centrelink officer told me that I only needed to declare what money my mother had in banks, super, etc. So they don't know about the cash yet? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Gregg and Andrei in lockstep. That's something I thought I'd never see.

Peccary dribbling his usual bulls_hit as usual.  ::)

Setanta wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 7:14pm:

lee wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:48pm: I filled one out in a Centrelink office recently (when my father passed away) and the Centrelink officer told me that I only needed to declare what money my mother had in banks, super, etc. So they don't know about the cash yet? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Gregg and Andrei in lockstep. That's something I thought I'd never see.

Andrei?   -    Andrei Hicks?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 7:10pm:

That happens in Austria. 60 for women, and 65 for men.

Thanks Greg.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Wonder if he had the payment go into a super account or something like that ? It should then be invisible to centrelink with only a small reporting footprint.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 7:10pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 7:03pm: About 5 or 10 years back I was reading about a country (I believe it was somewhere like Denmark but I'm not sure) where once you reached pension age you received a letter from the government and/or their Centrelink 'equivalent' congratulating you on reaching pension age and informing you that your pension payments will commence on whatever the date was when you became eligible. I assume they must already have your bank account details on their records so they can commence payments (they probably have it from their Tax Department or whatever they call it over there). No 18 page, 60 question forms to fill in like Australia. No questions about assets such as ancient $2 chairs or $14 dodgy Aldi toasters.  ;D Nothing but getting the age pension when eligible and not having any 'hoops' to jump through just to get it. Sounds like Heaven.  8-) That happens in Austria. 60 for women, and 65 for men.

Now 67 for both and forms that are close to impossible to fill out.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:54pm:

They knew about it on the day I filled out the forms, but they said there was no need to declare it.

So the apparatchiks employees don't know the legislation.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

As i pointed out in post #17


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Income test Your income can reduce how much Age Pension we pay you. We use the pension income test to assess Age Pension. Income Assessable income can also be: winnings you get by chance that are paid to you over time https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/income?context=22526

$5K a month for 12 months puts you over income limit.

Monthly payments are considered income.

just buy a house with it like a good parasite then the winnings will be exempted from the pension asset test

JC Denton wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 9:45pm:

just buy a house with it like a good parasite then the winnings will be exempted from the pension asset test

Only if it is your first house. ::)

U would know hey?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 5:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 5:21pm: lee wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 5:20pm: Answered above Dufus. ::) Which section on the official form that applicants must sign asks for disclosure of cash? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give me the number. I did a.pdf search for cash and it's not mentioned as cash on hand. That's strange as they ask every other possible question. That's right. The official form does not ask how much cash they have. I've filled in about half a dozen of those forms for my parents, so I know. I filled one out in a Centrelink office recently (when my father passed away) and the Centrelink officer told me that I only needed to declare what money my mother had in banks, super, etc. So, once again, aquascoot is full of sh!t.

your logic is incorrect

"its not on the form so i'm in the clear "


if my son the electrician is filling in his tax return , he cant say

"well there was no column for cashies , so i'm in the clear to not declare cashies"

if they want to know about the value of your motorcyle, they want to know about cash under the mattress.

if you think you are correct, give us your name and tax file number and centrelink identifier and go do a stat dec and we will send it into the investigation unit and get a ruling on your behalf.

no

you wont

you realise you are committing a crime but your moral superiority wont let you admit it.

you are a leaner and a parasite, recieving tax payer money you are not entitiled to  :'( :'( :'(

Hard to show one's resilience on a mere fifteen large a month... whatever ...tax free ... look at all the poor, struggling politicians missing out on family etc for around twenty five large a month...

In all future elections I know how I'll be voting - NONE of the parties and a carefully sifted selection of the rest....

lee wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:54pm: They knew about it on the day I filled out the forms, but they said there was no need to declare it. So the apparatchiks employees don't know the legislation.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Which section on the form asks for cash to be declared?

Just give us the number.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 5:49am:

your logic is incorrect "its not on the form so i'm in the clear "

His logic is absolutely correct.

And obviously you don't have a lot of dealings with government departments (Federal and State) because if you did then you should know that the #1 rule in dealing with them is "never draw unnecessary attention to yourself by giving them information they don't ask for".


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if my son the electrician is filling in his tax return , he cant say "well there was no column for cashies , so i'm in the clear to not declare cashies"

lol... well, yes he can. And, if he made his own column to declare "cashies" I'm pretty sure he'd be the only one in Australia who did that (as well as being an idiot).


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if they want to know about the value of your motorcyle, they want to know about cash under the mattress.

Maybe they do? Who knows? But, if there isn't a section on the form where you need to add it then it isn't going to be added (unless you're an idiot like "your son the electrician" and add it yourself).

And even then... being a government department which always plays exactly by their 'rules' (as they all do) Centrelink would probably just ignore it anyway. Or have a good laugh just before they ignore it ("Hehe... have a look at what this idiot's put on the form").  ;D


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if you think you are correct, give us your name and tax file number and centrelink identifier and go do a stat dec and we will send it into the investigation unit and get a ruling on your behalf.

lol... yes, I'm sure you would. And, also I'm sure Greg or any other member here would be more than happy to provide personal information like that for you to do it.  ::)


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no you wont you realise you are committing a crime but your moral superiority wont let you admit it.

Again... what crime is he or anyone else committing by not declaring something that Centrelink is not asking you to declare?


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you are a leaner and a parasite, recieving tax payer money you are not entitiled to  :'( :'( :'(

Why is he or anyone else being a "leaner and a parasite" and not entitled to the money if Centrelink's form is filled in correctly and truthfully and they determine that you are entitled to it?

What degree of naivete would be required to imagine that welfare agencies, tax agencies and police departments would not be interested in the activities of those hoarding large sums of cash?

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 8:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 7:10pm: Carl D wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 7:03pm: About 5 or 10 years back I was reading about a country (I believe it was somewhere like Denmark but I'm not sure) where once you reached pension age you received a letter from the government and/or their Centrelink 'equivalent' congratulating you on reaching pension age and informing you that your pension payments will commence on whatever the date was when you became eligible. I assume they must already have your bank account details on their records so they can commence payments (they probably have it from their Tax Department or whatever they call it over there). No 18 page, 60 question forms to fill in like Australia. No questions about assets such as ancient $2 chairs or $14 dodgy Aldi toasters.  ;D Nothing but getting the age pension when eligible and not having any 'hoops' to jump through just to get it. Sounds like Heaven.  8-) That happens in Austria. 60 for women, and 65 for men. Now 67 for both and forms that are close to impossible to fill out.

yes - that's deliberate so that some people give up.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 7:36am:

What degree of naivete would be required to imagine that welfare agencies, tax agencies and police departments would not be interested in the activities of those hoarding large sums of cash?

Which section on the form asks for cash to be declared?

Just give us the number.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 7:36am:

What degree of naivete would be required to imagine that welfare agencies, tax agencies and police departments would not be interested in the activities of those hoarding large sums of cash?

Oh, I'm sure they are interested.

But, unless they have a search warrant to go to someone's house and tear it apart to look for hoarded cash (and they need to have a real good reason to do it) then there's really nothing they can do about it.

This is one of the reasons (possibly the main reason) why the government is trying to get rid of cash altogether or at the very least make high denomination notes invalid if they're not put into a bank within a certain amount of time.

Good luck trying to get away with something like that in Australia. I'm sure the government is aware of how many pensioners there are in Australia who use nothing but cash and what will happen to any government at the next election that tries to get rid of cash or make large banknotes invalid.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 7:38am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 7:36am: What degree of naivete would be required to imagine that welfare agencies, tax agencies and police departments would not be interested in the activities of those hoarding large sums of cash? Which section on the form asks for cash to be declared? Just give us the number.

The number these agencies would be focussed on, if they were focussed at all, is the cash amount.

If you ask around you'll find that, post someone's death or severe decline, individuals within these agencies can display a great degree of latitude where small sums of cash are concerned.

However, formally, it is the person who has legal control of the estate or a person's affairs who must take ultimate responsibility for declaring all of the estate's assets.

In Australia, lottery winnings are generally considered
tax-free. This is because they are classified as windfall
gains, which are non-assessable by the Australian
Taxation Office.

Do you have to report lottery winnings to ATO?

Prizes may include cash, low-interest or interest-free
loans, holidays or cars. However, you don't need to
declare prizes won in ordinary lotteries such as
lotto draws and raffles.

For this reason, I can't see that this bloke's winnings
would affect his pension in any way, as they're not
defined as income or earnings—being non-taxable.

Nevermind Lotto, what happens when someone inherits, say, $250K where there is no tax liability?

Does anyone believe that someone could still pull a pension when they're flush with 1/4 million?

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 8:30am:

In Australia, lottery winnings are generally considered tax-free. This is because they are classified as windfall gains, which are non-assessable by the Australian Taxation Office. Do you have to report lottery winnings to ATO? Prizes may include cash, low-interest or interest-free loans, holidays or cars. However, you don't need to declare prizes won in ordinary lotteries such as lotto draws and raffles. For this reason, I can't see that this bloke's winnings would affect his pension in any way, as they're not defined as income or earnings—being non-taxable.

You're wrong -
I heard a story of a dole recipient in Melbourne who went to Crown Casino
and won an amount of about $5,000 on a poker machine and was give a cheque
as they wouldn't give him the cash.
He put it in his bank account and to make a long story short -
his dole was cut for many long months by Centrelink.
It would have been better if he had never won it.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 8:39am:

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 8:30am: In Australia, lottery winnings are generally considered tax-free. This is because they are classified as windfall gains, which are non-assessable by the Australian Taxation Office. Do you have to report lottery winnings to ATO? Prizes may include cash, low-interest or interest-free loans, holidays or cars. However, you don't need to declare prizes won in ordinary lotteries such as lotto draws and raffles. For this reason, I can't see that this bloke's winnings would affect his pension in any way, as they're not defined as income or earnings—being non-taxable. You're wrong - I heard a story of a dole recipient in Melbourne who went to Crown Casino and won an amount of about $5,000 on a poker machine and was give a cheque as they wouldn't give him the cash. He put it in his bank account and to make a long story short - his dole was cut for many long months by Centrelink. It would have been better if he had never won it.

No mate, I'm not wrong...

https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals-and-families/income-deductions-offsets-and-records/income-you-must-declare/scholarships-prizes-and-awards/prizes-and-awards

And... your little story about the $5K winner is wrong
and only third-party hearsay—unless you'd like to post
a link confirming the story.

   There is NO way a $5K win would take someone off
   Centrelink unemployment benefits.

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 8:49am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 8:39am: AusGeoff wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 8:30am: In Australia, lottery winnings are generally considered tax-free. This is because they are classified as windfall gains, which are non-assessable by the Australian Taxation Office. Do you have to report lottery winnings to ATO? Prizes may include cash, low-interest or interest-free loans, holidays or cars. However, you don't need to declare prizes won in ordinary lotteries such as lotto draws and raffles. For this reason, I can't see that this bloke's winnings would affect his pension in any way, as they're not defined as income or earnings—being non-taxable. You're wrong - I heard a story of a dole recipient in Melbourne who went to Crown Casino and won an amount of about $5,000 on a poker machine and was give a cheque as they wouldn't give him the cash. He put it in his bank account and to make a long story short - his dole was cut for many long months by Centrelink. It would have been better if he had never won it. No mate, I'm not wrong... https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals-and-families/income-deductions-offsets-and-records/income-you-must-declare/scholarships-prizes-and-awards/prizes-and-awards And... your little story about the $5K winner is wrong and only third-party hearsay—unless you'd like to post a link confirming the story.    There is NO way a $5K win would take someone off    Centrelink unemployment benefits.

Correct.

That story might have been what was told to Bobby, but it's a bullshit story.

An urban myth perpetuated on talk-back radio shows.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 7:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 7:38am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 7:36am: What degree of naivete would be required to imagine that welfare agencies, tax agencies and police departments would not be interested in the activities of those hoarding large sums of cash? Which section on the form asks for cash to be declared? Just give us the number. The number these agencies would be focussed on, if they were focussed at all, is the cash amount.

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 8:51am:

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 8:49am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 8:39am: AusGeoff wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 8:30am: In Australia, lottery winnings are generally considered tax-free. This is because they are classified as windfall gains, which are non-assessable by the Australian Taxation Office. Do you have to report lottery winnings to ATO? Prizes may include cash, low-interest or interest-free loans, holidays or cars. However, you don't need to declare prizes won in ordinary lotteries such as lotto draws and raffles. For this reason, I can't see that this bloke's winnings would affect his pension in any way, as they're not defined as income or earnings—being non-taxable. You're wrong - I heard a story of a dole recipient in Melbourne who went to Crown Casino and won an amount of about $5,000 on a poker machine and was give a cheque as they wouldn't give him the cash. He put it in his bank account and to make a long story short - his dole was cut for many long months by Centrelink. It would have been better if he had never won it. No mate, I'm not wrong... https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals-and-families/income-deductions-offsets-and-records/income-you-must-declare/scholarships-prizes-and-awards/prizes-and-awards And... your little story about the $5K winner is wrong and only third-party hearsay—unless you'd like to post a link confirming the story.    There is NO way a $5K win would take someone off    Centrelink unemployment benefits. Correct. That story might have been what was told to Bobby, but it's a bullshit story. An urban myth perpetuated on talk-back radio shows.

It's a well known true story.

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 8:49am:

There is NO way a $5K win would take someone off    Centrelink unemployment benefits.

Yes way.

All concerned agencies need is to suspect that the cash was laundered.

They do not need proof 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 8:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 8:51am: AusGeoff wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 8:49am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 8:39am: AusGeoff wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 8:30am: In Australia, lottery winnings are generally considered tax-free. This is because they are classified as windfall gains, which are non-assessable by the Australian Taxation Office. Do you have to report lottery winnings to ATO? Prizes may include cash, low-interest or interest-free loans, holidays or cars. However, you don't need to declare prizes won in ordinary lotteries such as lotto draws and raffles. For this reason, I can't see that this bloke's winnings would affect his pension in any way, as they're not defined as income or earnings—being non-taxable. You're wrong - I heard a story of a dole recipient in Melbourne who went to Crown Casino and won an amount of about $5,000 on a poker machine and was give a cheque as they wouldn't give him the cash. He put it in his bank account and to make a long story short - his dole was cut for many long months by Centrelink. It would have been better if he had never won it. No mate, I'm not wrong... https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals-and-families/income-deductions-offsets-and-records/income-you-must-declare/scholarships-prizes-and-awards/prizes-and-awards And... your little story about the $5K winner is wrong and only third-party hearsay—unless you'd like to post a link confirming the story.    There is NO way a $5K win would take someone off    Centrelink unemployment benefits. Correct. That story might have been what was told to Bobby, but it's a bullshit story. An urban myth perpetuated on talk-back radio shows. It's a well known true story.

A talk-back radio urban myth.

Complete & utter bullshit.

Listen guys -

I know for certain that people on the dole who were so short of money
they started selling their own furniture
and other stuff to try an get some money on eBay.
When Centrelink saw the money in their bank account
they had their dole cut for months.


Centrelink is evil.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 8:55am:

It's a well known true story.

And, I'd bet a common story where the agency decides to treat the 'windfall' with suspicion.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 8:58am:

Listen guys - I know for certain that people on the dole who were so short of money they started selling their own furniture and other stuff to try an get some money on eBay. When Centrelink saw the money in their bank account they had their dole cut for months. Centrelink is evil.

I agree with you on the last bit.

The rest is bullshit.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 8:58am:

Centrelink is evil.

No.

Centrelink employees are tasked with identifying fraudulent claims.

They are predisposed to be suspicious of 'windfalls' in the same way insurance companies are with theft claims.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:04am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 8:58am: Centrelink is evil. No. Centrelink employees are tasked with identifying fraudulent claims. They are predisposed to be suspicious of 'windfalls' in the same way insurance companies are with theft claims.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:03am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 8:58am: Listen guys - I know for certain that people on the dole who were so short of money they started selling their own furniture and other stuff to try an get some money on eBay. When Centrelink saw the money in their bank account they had their dole cut for months. Centrelink is evil. I agree with you on the last bit. The rest is bullshit.

Of course they're evil -

that's why Robodebt took off so easily -
no one at Centrelink has any scruples - they are all communist scumbags.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:06am:

Of course they're evil - that's why Robodebt took off so easily - no one at Centrelink has any scruples - they are all communist scumbags.

Robodebt is the overreach that proves the predisposition of welfare agencies to be suspicious of windfalls.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 8:58am:

Listen guys - I know for certain that people on the dole who were so short of money they started selling their own furniture and other stuff to try an get some money on eBay. When Centrelink saw the money in their bank account they had their dole cut for months. Centrelink is evil.

They are indeed evil, however, they do not monitor your bank account.

Stop listening to talk-back radio & old ladies with blue hair playing the pokies at Crown.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:11am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 8:58am: Listen guys - I know for certain that people on the dole who were so short of money they started selling their own furniture and other stuff to try an get some money on eBay. When Centrelink saw the money in their bank account they had their dole cut for months. Centrelink is evil. They are indeed evil, however, they do not monitor your bank account. Stop listening to talk-back radio & old ladies with blue hair playing the pokies at Crown.

Centrelink has a direct link to your bank account - no search warrant required -

they are a very powerful Govt. agency -  Stalin would be so proud of them.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:14am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:11am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 8:58am: Listen guys - I know for certain that people on the dole who were so short of money they started selling their own furniture and other stuff to try an get some money on eBay. When Centrelink saw the money in their bank account they had their dole cut for months. Centrelink is evil. They are indeed evil, however, they do not monitor your bank account. Stop listening to talk-back radio & old ladies with blue hair playing the pokies at Crown. Centrelink has a direct link to your bank account - no search warrant required - they are a very powerful Govt. agency -  Stalin would be so proud of them.

Calm down, Bobby.

"Contrary to popular belief, Centrelink does not in fact have access to your bank account and doesn’t monitor it when working out your payment rate. Instead, the rate of payment you receive from Centrelink is based on the assets and any work income you specified the last time you gave them your financial information.

"This means that if your bank account balance has recently been reduced – either due to increased spending or unexpected emergency costs that have come up – then Centrelink won’t know about it until you notify them of the changes."

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:18am:

Calm down, Bobby. "Contrary to popular belief, Centrelink does not in fact have access to your bank account and doesn’t monitor it when working out your payment rate. Instead, the rate of payment you receive from Centrelink is based on the assets and any work income you specified the last time you gave them your financial information. "This means that if your bank account balance has recently been reduced – either due to increased spending or unexpected emergency costs that have come up – then Centrelink won’t know about it until you notify them of the changes."

Greggy,
stop spreading bullshit on social media.

Centrelink has direct access to everyone's bank account -
no search warrant is required.
So does the Tax Dept. and other unnamed Govt. agencies -
such as ASIO and the Federal police.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:18am: Calm down, Bobby. "Contrary to popular belief, Centrelink does not in fact have access to your bank account and doesn’t monitor it when working out your payment rate. Instead, the rate of payment you receive from Centrelink is based on the assets and any work income you specified the last time you gave them your financial information. "This means that if your bank account balance has recently been reduced – either due to increased spending or unexpected emergency costs that have come up – then Centrelink won’t know about it until you notify them of the changes." Greggy, stop spreading bullshit on social media. Centrelink has direct access to everyone's bank account - no search warrant is required. So does the Tax Dept. and other unnamed Govt. agencies - such as ASIO and the Federal police.

And Austrack.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:24am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:21am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:18am: Calm down, Bobby. "Contrary to popular belief, Centrelink does not in fact have access to your bank account and doesn’t monitor it when working out your payment rate. Instead, the rate of payment you receive from Centrelink is based on the assets and any work income you specified the last time you gave them your financial information. "This means that if your bank account balance has recently been reduced – either due to increased spending or unexpected emergency costs that have come up – then Centrelink won’t know about it until you notify them of the changes." Greggy, stop spreading bullshit on social media. Centrelink has direct access to everyone's bank account - no search warrant is required. So does the Tax Dept. and other unnamed Govt. agencies - such as ASIO and the Federal police. And Austrac.

Sure -  Greggy believes the words of Centrelink    ;D


https://www.austrac.gov.au/

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:18am: Calm down, Bobby. "Contrary to popular belief, Centrelink does not in fact have access to your bank account and doesn’t monitor it when working out your payment rate. Instead, the rate of payment you receive from Centrelink is based on the assets and any work income you specified the last time you gave them your financial information. "This means that if your bank account balance has recently been reduced – either due to increased spending or unexpected emergency costs that have come up – then Centrelink won’t know about it until you notify them of the changes." Greggy, stop spreading bullshit on social media. Centrelink has direct access to everyone's bank account -

They don't monitor your bank account, Bobby.

Take your medication, sit down, and take a deep breath.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:29am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:21am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:18am: Calm down, Bobby. "Contrary to popular belief, Centrelink does not in fact have access to your bank account and doesn’t monitor it when working out your payment rate. Instead, the rate of payment you receive from Centrelink is based on the assets and any work income you specified the last time you gave them your financial information. "This means that if your bank account balance has recently been reduced – either due to increased spending or unexpected emergency costs that have come up – then Centrelink won’t know about it until you notify them of the changes." Greggy, stop spreading bullshit on social media. Centrelink has direct access to everyone's bank account - They don't monitor your bank account, Bobby. Take your medication, sit down, and take a deep breath.

Greggy trying to gaslight me.    tsk  tsk    ::)  ::)

For anyone wondering how welfare, tax and policing agencies crunch the numbers on cash flow should start with Benford's Law.

Peccary is a known liar and fraud on this Forum.
He needs to go back to Trump topics.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:30am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:29am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:21am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:18am: Calm down, Bobby. "Contrary to popular belief, Centrelink does not in fact have access to your bank account and doesn’t monitor it when working out your payment rate. Instead, the rate of payment you receive from Centrelink is based on the assets and any work income you specified the last time you gave them your financial information. "This means that if your bank account balance has recently been reduced – either due to increased spending or unexpected emergency costs that have come up – then Centrelink won’t know about it until you notify them of the changes." Greggy, stop spreading bullshit on social media. Centrelink has direct access to everyone's bank account - They don't monitor your bank account, Bobby. Take your medication, sit down, and take a deep breath. Greggy trying to gaslight me.    tsk  tsk    ::)  ::)

He hasn't factored in the informal exchange of information among agencies.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:30am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:29am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:21am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:18am: Calm down, Bobby. "Contrary to popular belief, Centrelink does not in fact have access to your bank account and doesn’t monitor it when working out your payment rate. Instead, the rate of payment you receive from Centrelink is based on the assets and any work income you specified the last time you gave them your financial information. "This means that if your bank account balance has recently been reduced – either due to increased spending or unexpected emergency costs that have come up – then Centrelink won’t know about it until you notify them of the changes." Greggy, stop spreading bullshit on social media. Centrelink has direct access to everyone's bank account - They don't monitor your bank account, Bobby. Take your medication, sit down, and take a deep breath. Greggy trying to gaslight me.    tsk  tsk    ::)  ::)

Just take the meds, and lay down.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:30am: Greggy trying to gaslight me.    tsk  tsk    ::)  ::) He hasn't factored in the informal exchange of information among agencies.

Greggy doesn't know.    ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:52am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:44am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:30am: Greggy trying to gaslight me.    tsk  tsk    ::)  ::) He hasn't factored in the informal exchange of information among agencies. Greggy doesn't know.    ::)

The determining factor with relevant agencies is one of focused interest.

They do not lack the means of accessing, formally and informally digital/electronic records.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:52am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:44am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:30am: Greggy trying to gaslight me.    tsk  tsk    ::)  ::) He hasn't factored in the informal exchange of information among agencies. Greggy doesn't know.    ::) The determining factor with relevant agencies is one of focused interest. They do not lack the means of accessing, formally and informally digital/electronic records.

Big Brother is watching you -
he sees everything.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 9:58am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:56am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:52am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:44am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:30am: Greggy trying to gaslight me.    tsk  tsk    ::)  ::) He hasn't factored in the informal exchange of information among agencies. Greggy doesn't know.    ::) The determining factor with relevant agencies is one of focused interest. They do not lack the means of accessing, formally and informally digital/electronic records. Big Brother is watching you - he sees everything.

Generally only if you're 'worthy' of focussed interest, although with the rapid rise of AI, what would have taken months of manual investigation, has now been reduced to less than a few hours or even minutes.

Gordon wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:32pm: Carl D wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:26pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:11pm: Thanks for the form Greggy - it's hilarious. Stalin and Karl would be proud of those commies. https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Quote: 37 Do you (and/or your partner) own, partly own or have a financial interest in any motor vehicles, motor cycles or trailers? The current market value is the price that you would expect to get if you sold the item. It is not the replacement or insured value. Include: • all furniture (including soft furnishings such as curtains), antiques and works of art • electrical appliances such as televisions and fridges • jewellery for personal use and hobby collections (for example, stamps, coins) My answer: I have a 25 year old chair worth $2.   ;D I have a 6 year old toaster than I paid $14 for from Aldi that doesn’t work properly.  ;D ;D ;D ;D I have a nearly 15 year old Hyundai Getz with over 150,000k on the clock and is insured for $5,246 (including accessories). I wonder if I'll need to 'declare' that when I apply for the age pension in about 6 months time? I also wonder if the pollies have to fill in a form like that Centrelink one when they apply for their pensions? For example - our former WA Premier Mark McGowan who now gets a $300,000 a year taxpayer funded pension on top of what he's getting paid for the 4 private sector jobs he currently has. Did he have to fill in that form? You need to declare everything - even your: knife, fork and spoon and plate you use for dinner. Stalin said. Would I have to declare my Honda? https://i.ibb.co/mvnB7LJ/1.jpg

Declare it what?  :P

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:06am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:58am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:56am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:52am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:44am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:30am: Greggy trying to gaslight me.    tsk  tsk    ::)  ::) He hasn't factored in the informal exchange of information among agencies. Greggy doesn't know.    ::) The determining factor with relevant agencies is one of focused interest. They do not lack the means of accessing, formally and informally digital/electronic records. Big Brother is watching you - he sees everything. Generally only if you're 'worthy' of focussed interest, although with the rapid rise of AI, what would have taken months of manual investigation, has now been reduced to less than a few hours or even minutes.

Yes - the searches are most likely automatic - done by robot software -
which detects any anomalies.
I think that's how Robodebt worked?

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:38am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 10:06am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:58am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:56am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:52am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:44am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 9:30am: Greggy trying to gaslight me.    tsk  tsk    ::)  ::) He hasn't factored in the informal exchange of information among agencies. Greggy doesn't know.    ::) The determining factor with relevant agencies is one of focused interest. They do not lack the means of accessing, formally and informally digital/electronic records. Big Brother is watching you - he sees everything. Generally only if you're 'worthy' of focussed interest, although with the rapid rise of AI, what would have taken months of manual investigation, has now been reduced to less than a few hours or even minutes. Yes - the searches are most likely automatic - done by robot software - which detects any anomalies. I think that's how Robodebt worked?

Robodebt was a gross overreach and the result of an overestimation of the current state of AI.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:42am:

Robodebt was a gross overreach and the result of an overestimation of the current state of AI.

Yes -
as I said before the Govts. created this problem where
they don't have enough money to pay their pension liabilities:

Again -

People paid high taxes all their working lives to give other people pensions
and when it's their time to get some of their tax back as a pension
the Govt. uses every excuse to get out of it.

What happened?
The Govts didn't set their tax money aside or invest it to
pay back some day but they spent it all and then
borrowed a trillion dollars more.
The Govts lost your money and now don't want to pay it back -
they can't pay it back -
they even have to borrow money to pay you.
That causes high inflation too.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:48am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 10:42am: Robodebt was a gross overreach and the result of an overestimation of the current state of AI. Yes - as I said before the Govts. created this problem where they don't have enough money to pay their pension liabilities: Again - People paid high taxes all their working lives to give other people pensions and when it's their time to get some of their tax back as a pension the Govt. uses every excuse to get out of it. What happened? The Govts didn't set their tax money aside or invest it to pay back some day but they spent it all and then borrowed a trillion dollars more. The Govts lost your money and now don't want to pay it back - they can't pay it back - they even have to borrow money to pay you. That causes high inflation too.

Politicians are not immune from the human instinct and tendency to externalise and deflect their failures onto others.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 8:53am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 7:50am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 7:38am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 7:36am: What degree of naivete would be required to imagine that welfare agencies, tax agencies and police departments would not be interested in the activities of those hoarding large sums of cash? Which section on the form asks for cash to be declared? Just give us the number. The number these agencies would be focussed on, if they were focussed at all, is the cash amount. Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

from the official services australia website


If the value of your assets changes
You need to tell us if your overall asset values increase above what is already recorded. We need to know if the value has increased by the following amounts:

$2,000 or more for financial assets
$1,000 or more for non-financial assets.


IF YOU HAVE FINANCIAL ASSETS MORE THEN $2000 above what is RECORDED

you need to tell us .


clearly cash is a financial asset

gweggy and carl are welfare frauds

they are thieves and criminals

disgraceful selfish entitled stuff



https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/asset-types?context=22526

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 8:53am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 7:50am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 7:38am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 7:36am: What degree of naivete would be required to imagine that welfare agencies, tax agencies and police departments would not be interested in the activities of those hoarding large sums of cash? Which section on the form asks for cash to be declared? Just give us the number. The number these agencies would be focussed on, if they were focussed at all, is the cash amount. Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? from the official services australia website If the value of your assets changes You need to tell us if your overall asset values increase above what is already recorded. We need to know if the value has increased by the following amounts: $2,000 or more for financial assets $1,000 or more for non-financial assets. IF YOU HAVE FINANCIAL ASSETS MORE THEN $2000 above what is RECORDED you need to tell us . clearly cash is a financial asset gweggy and carl are welfare frauds they are thieves and criminals disgraceful selfish entitled stuff https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/asset-types?context=22526

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf

Just give us the number.

Aqua,

Quote:

gweggy and carl are welfare frauds they are thieves and criminals disgraceful selfish entitled stuff

Are you gunna dob em in?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:07am:

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give us the number.

You're the sort of bush lawyer who gets the naive into a lot of sh!t.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:07am:

Aqua, Quote: gweggy and carl are welfare frauds they are thieves and criminals disgraceful selfish entitled stuff Are you gunna dob em in?

Hey Bobby, which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf

Just give us the number, please.

Thanks.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:07am: Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give us the number. You're the sort of bush lawyer who gets the naive into a lot of sh!t.

Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf

Just give us the number.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:11am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:07am: Aqua, Quote: gweggy and carl are welfare frauds they are thieves and criminals disgraceful selfish entitled stuff Are you gunna dob em in? Hey Bobby, which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give us the number, please. Thanks.

Go and see them - give yourself up.
You'll get a lesser sentence.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:12am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:11am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:07am: Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give us the number. You're the sort of bush lawyer who gets the naive into a lot of sh!t. Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give us the number.

Your African parrot act tells us you have no idea what Centrelink could and would do if they discovered you have undeclared cash assets.

They don't need proof of any wrongdoing to withhold payments.

Short of lawyering up to sue, the onus is on you to explain to Centrelink why they should restore your payments.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:07am: Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give us the number. You're the sort of bush lawyer who gets the naive into a lot of sh!t.

How could they get into trouble?

The official form doesn't ask for cash to be declared.

And, even if it did (which it does not), Centrelink doesn't do midnight raids looking under mattresses.

So, please explain how people could get "into a lot of sh!t".

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:12am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:11am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:07am: Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give us the number. You're the sort of bush lawyer who gets the naive into a lot of sh!t. Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give us the number. Your African parrot act tells us you have no idea what Centrelink could and would do if they discovered you have undeclared cash assets.

Explain to everyone here exactly how that would happen?

Does Centrelink have a "Mattress Squad".

I'm curious.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:11am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:07am: Aqua, Quote: gweggy and carl are welfare frauds they are thieves and criminals disgraceful selfish entitled stuff Are you gunna dob em in? Hey Bobby, which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give us the number, please. Thanks. Go and see them - give yourself up. You'll get a lesser sentence.

Will Greggy get a cell alongside Trump and Rudy.      ;D   ;D   ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:17am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:11am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:07am: Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give us the number. You're the sort of bush lawyer who gets the naive into a lot of sh!t. How could they get into trouble? The official form doesn't ask for cash to be declared. And, even if it did (which it does not), Centrelink doesn't do midnight raids looking under mattresses. So, please explain how people could get "into a lot of sh!t".

Centrelink doesn't have to raid your home. If they suspect you have access to reserves of undeclared cash, they will withhold payments and leave it to you to explain.

And good luck getting sympathy from a court where you're flush with cash and suing to restore your pension.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:18am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:16am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:12am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:11am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:07am: Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give us the number. You're the sort of bush lawyer who gets the naive into a lot of sh!t. Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give us the number. Your African parrot act tells us you have no idea what Centrelink could and would do if they discovered you have undeclared cash assets. Explain to everyone here exactly how that would happen? Does Centrelink have a "Mattress Squad". I'm curious.

The trouble is you're not curious, hence your parrot act.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:20am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:17am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:11am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:07am: Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give us the number. You're the sort of bush lawyer who gets the naive into a lot of sh!t. How could they get into trouble? The official form doesn't ask for cash to be declared. And, even if it did (which it does not), Centrelink doesn't do midnight raids looking under mattresses. So, please explain how people could get "into a lot of sh!t". Centrelink doesn't have to raid your home. If they suspect you have access to reserves of undeclared cash, they will withhold payments and leave it to you to explain.

https://whatsthepont.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/f7f39d82-6642-4156-95fa-5f7a85d6b80a-36590-000019f5e94e5782.jpg

So, which section of the form was it again?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:20am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:17am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:11am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:07am: Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give us the number. You're the sort of bush lawyer who gets the naive into a lot of sh!t. How could they get into trouble? The official form doesn't ask for cash to be declared. And, even if it did (which it does not), Centrelink doesn't do midnight raids looking under mattresses. So, please explain how people could get "into a lot of sh!t". Centrelink doesn't have to raid your home. If they suspect you have access to reserves of undeclared cash, they will withhold payments and leave it to you to explain. And good luck getting sympathy from a court where you're flush with cash and suing to restore your pension.

You people need to live in the real world.  The courts need proof that he's flush with cash. Robodebts conclusion show what the courts think of centrelinks suspicions and guesses.

I reckon Australians who have worked hard to become rich in the past 222+ years since being Convicts.
Should be entitled to ripping off all the lazy bludgers that started as Free Settlers, but have become reliant on Free handouts.

I say: Rip Em Off!!!

Push them down into the bowels of poverty to become our self-sufficient domestic population growth.
Unless you prefer to 'import' Indians and Yellow Asians at 500,000 per year (1 million in 2 years, 5 million in just 10 years)?

This country needs Super Rich to Culturally empower this country beyond a dependence on America & Britain from afar.
This country needs a Super Poor to Racially empower this country beyond a dependence on foreign imports.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:18am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:16am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:12am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:11am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:07am: Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give us the number. You're the sort of bush lawyer who gets the naive into a lot of sh!t. Which section on the official Centrelink assets form, to be signed by the applicant, asks for cash to be declared? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf Just give us the number. Your African parrot act tells us you have no idea what Centrelink could and would do if they discovered you have undeclared cash assets. Explain to everyone here exactly how that would happen? Does Centrelink have a "Mattress Squad". I'm curious. The trouble is you're not curious, hence your parrot act.

The trouble is you believe urban myths parroted on talk-back radio.

I've filled in at least six of these forms for my parents over recent years.

I know from first-hand experience.

The form does not ask you to disclose any cash, and the officers behind the desk do not ask you if you have any cash.

As I've explained before, they specifically say: "Answer every question on the form honestly, and then sign it.  That's all the information we need".

By all means though, show me on the form the section that asks for all cash to be disclosed.  Maybe I skipped over it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:22am:

So, which section of the form was it again?

79 Do you (and/or your partner) have any cash holdings?

Include notes and coins you have in a safety deposit box, or
you are holding instead of putting it into a bank account, or
someone else is looking after for you.

Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to
day expenses

Don't worry Greggy -
unless you buy something worth over $10,000 in cash then there
are no records to bring you down.
You got away with it.    Phew.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:22am: So, which section of the form was it again? 79 Do you (and/or your partner) have any cash holdings? Include notes and coins you have in a safety deposit box, or you are holding instead of putting it into a bank account, or someone else is looking after for you. Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses

there is no part 79

the highest number is 62.    ::)

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:39am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:22am: So, which section of the form was it again? 79 Do you (and/or your partner) have any cash holdings? Include notes and coins you have in a safety deposit box, or you are holding instead of putting it into a bank account, or someone else is looking after for you. Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses there is no part 79 the highest number is 62.    ::) https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-10/aus140-2310nz.pdf

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:22am: So, which section of the form was it again? 79 Do you (and/or your partner) have any cash holdings?

There is no section/question 79 on the official form.

So, again, which section of the form is it again?

THIS is the form Centrelink hands you and asks to fill out and sign:

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf

Which section/question asks you to disclose cash?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:39am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:22am: So, which section of the form was it again? 79 Do you (and/or your partner) have any cash holdings? Include notes and coins you have in a safety deposit box, or you are holding instead of putting it into a bank account, or someone else is looking after for you. Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses there is no part 79 the highest number is 62.    ::) https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-10/aus140-2310nz.pdf

OK - a different form.


How many bloody forms are there?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:22am: So, which section of the form was it again? 79 Do you (and/or your partner) have any cash holdings? Include notes and coins you have in a safety deposit box, or you are holding instead of putting it into a bank account, or someone else is looking after for you. Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses

I keep $50,000 cash on hand for shopping and other day to day expenses.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:22am: So, which section of the form was it again? 79 Do you (and/or your partner) have any cash holdings? Include notes and coins you have in a safety deposit box, or you are holding instead of putting it into a bank account, or someone else is looking after for you. Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses I keep $50,000 cash on hand for shopping and other day to day expenses.

Good luck with that declaration.

A Russian caviar diet due to a medical issue?

I've just sent an anonymous letter to Centrelink declaring a Guitar Shop owner in Perth (not the other two) has heaps in Cash more than declared. I've printed out a photo of his post.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:44am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:41am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:39am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:22am: So, which section of the form was it again? 79 Do you (and/or your partner) have any cash holdings? Include notes and coins you have in a safety deposit box, or you are holding instead of putting it into a bank account, or someone else is looking after for you. Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses there is no part 79 the highest number is 62.    ::) https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-10/aus140-2310nz.pdf OK - a different form. How many bloody forms are there?

It pays to seek advice from a professional financial adviser.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:44am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:41am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:39am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:22am: So, which section of the form was it again? 79 Do you (and/or your partner) have any cash holdings? Include notes and coins you have in a safety deposit box, or you are holding instead of putting it into a bank account, or someone else is looking after for you. Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses there is no part 79 the highest number is 62.    ::) https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-07/sa369-2307en-f.pdf https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-10/aus140-2310nz.pdf OK - a different form. How many bloody forms are there?

Indeed.

That's the form my parents would have filled in decades ago to initially claim the pension, when they had no cash under the mattress.

The asset forms they need to fill in every now and then, once they are already receiving the pension, does not ask about cash.

Moreover, the initial form specifically says "Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses."

My mother keeps about $40,000 - $50,000 cash on hand for shopping and other day to day expenses so, if she was applying for the pension today (and filling in that form), she wouldn't have to declare that money.

They tell her specifically NOT to.

Why do so many insist on highlighting their stupidity publicly over and over again?

:D  :D

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:22am: So, which section of the form was it again? 79 Do you (and/or your partner) have any cash holdings? Include notes and coins you have in a safety deposit box, or you are holding instead of putting it into a bank account, or someone else is looking after for you. Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses I keep $50,000 cash on hand for shopping and other day to day expenses.

it says -

giving false or misleading information is a serious offence.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:45am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:22am: So, which section of the form was it again? 79 Do you (and/or your partner) have any cash holdings? Include notes and coins you have in a safety deposit box, or you are holding instead of putting it into a bank account, or someone else is looking after for you. Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses I keep $50,000 cash on hand for shopping and other day to day expenses. Good luck with that declaration. A Russian caviar diet due to a medical issue?

You aren't paying attention.

There would be no declaration - the form specifically says "Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses".

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:53am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:45am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:22am: So, which section of the form was it again? 79 Do you (and/or your partner) have any cash holdings? Include notes and coins you have in a safety deposit box, or you are holding instead of putting it into a bank account, or someone else is looking after for you. Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses I keep $50,000 cash on hand for shopping and other day to day expenses. it says - giving false or misleading information is a serious offence.

No information would be given, Bobby.

The form specifically says: "Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses".

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:52am:

My mother keeps about $40,000 - $50,000 cash on hand for shopping and other day to day expenses so, if she was applying for the pension today (and filling in that form), she wouldn't have to declare that money. They tell her specifically NOT to.

Now you're heading towards reality and what Centrelink determines is a reasonable amount of cash on hand for shopping and other day-to-day expenses.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:55am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:53am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:45am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:22am: So, which section of the form was it again? 79 Do you (and/or your partner) have any cash holdings? Include notes and coins you have in a safety deposit box, or you are holding instead of putting it into a bank account, or someone else is looking after for you. Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses I keep $50,000 cash on hand for shopping and other day to day expenses. it says - giving false or misleading information is a serious offence. No information would be given, Bobby. The form specifically says: "Do NOT include cash you have for shopping and other day to day expenses".

OK - just make sure the $50 grand doesn't fall out of your pocket as you leave Centrelink.   ;D