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Message started by Jovial Monk on Dec 28th, 2023 at 4:05pm

Title: Qld AI traffic fine system
Post by Jovial Monk on Dec 28th, 2023 at 4:05pm
Another robodebt?


Quote:
Clue in the windscreen may be key in legal challenge to Queensland’s AI traffic fine system


AI pinged the wrong car! You cannot have your number plate reflected in your windscreen!

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/28/queensland-government-ai-traffic-fine-system-legal-challenge

Sounds like artificial Booby intelligence ;D

Title: Re: Qld AI traffic fine system
Post by AusGeoff on Dec 29th, 2023 at 6:11am


I'd guess—with limited judgement due to the image
being captured with a potato—is that the fine is just.



As far as I can tell, the woman in the passenger seat is
not wearing her seat belt at all, but is wearing a loose
clothing garment such as a sari—the top fold of which is
running up and under her left armpit.

We should be seeing the alleged seat belt quite clearly, as
we do for the driver.

As far as the upside down and reversed number plate
image goes, I'd just write that off as some sort of technical
gremlin at work.  Her number plate  could've easily been
captured earlier on, or further down the motorway maybe?

The easiest way out of this is for the driver to get her
daughter (the alleged passenger) on the day to sign an
affidavit stating that she was wearing a seat belt during
that fateful trip.


Title: Re: Qld AI traffic fine system
Post by Jovial Monk on Dec 29th, 2023 at 6:31am
The younger woman is driving—the woman got the fine her daughter couldn’t drive!

No, the number plate couldn’t be reversed if it was an earlier photo.

The fine is nonsense!

Title: Re: Qld AI traffic fine system
Post by AusGeoff on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:14am


VicPol has recently reported an inexplicable surge in
Victorian drivers  fined for not wearing seatbelts.

When I got my first car in 1964, it already had front
lap belts installed, as it was a former company fleet
vehicle—a 1957 FE Special Holden.

As a result, I've never really driven a car without seatbelts,
which I lock in—just on auto-pilot like closing the door
or starting the engine, or scratching the man sack.

Here in Victoria, you'll cop a $385 fine for not wearing a
seatbelt correctly, plus 3 demerit points.


Title: Re: Qld AI traffic fine system
Post by Jovial Monk on Dec 30th, 2023 at 8:03am
Yup, just automatic.

Title: Re: Qld AI traffic fine system
Post by Bias_2012 on Dec 30th, 2023 at 12:57pm
The reflection of the number plate will not be up-side down if it's a true reflection. It can only be back-to-front, I just tried it with my car's windscreen using an object with printing on it. The printing was back-to-front, but still up the right way.

The correct orientation of the reflection on her windscreen depends on what looks like an "F", is really an "F"

Then there's other details on the car that need checking ... wipers, steering wheel, the squareness of the rear view mirrors, the center console ... these things may be different on her car





Title: Re: Qld AI traffic fine system
Post by Jovial Monk on Dec 30th, 2023 at 8:21pm
Good luck getting your front number plate reflected in your rear view window—obviously the older woman’s car was in front of the car infringing speed belt laws.

Title: Re: Qld AI traffic fine system
Post by lee on Dec 30th, 2023 at 8:47pm
Or the number plate was on the dash. ;)

Title: Re: Qld AI traffic fine system
Post by Jovial Monk on Dec 30th, 2023 at 9:59pm
You are banned from here, lee.

If the plate was on the dash it would show in the photo.

Title: Re: Qld AI traffic fine system
Post by AusGeoff on Dec 31st, 2023 at 7:54am


I think at the end of the day (doncha just love clichés!)
the QLD police should've just given the driver the benefit
of the doubt, and simply waived the fine for this alleged offence.

And recall this stuff-up:


Quote:
A fault in Queensland’s traffic camera infringement
system led to almost 2,000 people being incorrectly
fined and drivers losing their licences.

Transport minister Mark Bailey said he was made aware
of the issue on Wednesday, with his department requesting
urgent legal advice.

The affected drivers were all captured committing a
passenger seatbelt offence, however Bailey said double
demerit points had been incorrectly issued for 1,842
drivers from 1 November 2021, to 31 August 2023,
while 626 licences had been wrongly suspended.

"Simply put, this should never have happened",  the minister said.


   So... will minister Bailey be fired?    ::)


Title: Re: Qld AI traffic fine system
Post by Jovial Monk on Dec 31st, 2023 at 8:07am
He ain’t quitting voluntarily, is he?

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