And so it begins...

Canadian citizens established a Citizens' Inquiry into Canada's governments' covid response and the results are damning.

The Canadian governments' response is unanimous, as is Canada's mainstream media's - to ignore the Citizens' Inquiry report.

The report predicts some COVID-era Canadian MPs, including Trudeau, may be criminally liable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuZsEqOtDdI

The final report of the Canadian National Citizens' Inquiry

https://nationalcitizensinquiry.ca/

When you say "criminally liable" I assume you mean liable for the 56,534 Canadian deaths (so far) caused by their government allowing a Level 3 Biohazard virus (SARS-CoV-2 a.k.a. COVID-19) to run rampant for the sake of the economy?

Same as the 232,112 UK deaths (so far), the 23,643 Australian deaths (so far) and the 1,144,877 US deaths (so far) caused by their governments doing the exact same thing?

I watched about 3 minutes of the video but when I saw "Dr." John Campbell I rolled my eyes and turned it off.

Please tell me he isn't trying to blame the Covid vaccines somewhere in there... please!!

And governments (including our own) are naturally going to ignore any inquiries otherwise they would have to admit they f-ed up big time with their "vaccines only and let it rip" approach (again, for the economy) in dealing with the deadliest ongoing worldwide pandemic in a hundred years.

Carl D wrote on Dec 16^th, 2023 at 9:25am:

When you say "criminally liable" I assume you mean liable for the 56,534 Canadian deaths (so far) caused by their government allowing a Level 3 Biohazard virus (SARS-CoV-2 a.k.a. COVID-19) to run rampant for the sake of the economy?

The Inquiry investigated all responses to the covid pandemic, including Canadian governments' coercing banks and online payment platforms to suspend the accounts of covid protesters.

It was run by senior medical experts, barristers etc and its conduct was kept to the standard of a Canadian government's inquiry and an Australian Royal Commission.

The final report is over 600 pages.

Blaming the unvaccinated during the COVID-19 pandemic: the roles of political ideology and risk perceptions in the USA

Individuals unvaccinated against COVID-19 (C19) experienced prejudice and blame for the pandemic. Because people vastly overestimate C19 risks, we examined whether these negative judgements could be partially understood as a form of scapegoating (ie, blaming a group unfairly for an undesirable outcome) and whether political ideology (previously shown to shape risk perceptions in the USA) moderates scapegoating of the unvaccinated.
...
We observed that people hold the unvaccinated (vs vaccinated) more responsible for negative pandemic outcomes and that political ideology moderated these effects: liberals (vs conservatives) were more likely to scapegoat the unvaccinated (vs vaccinated), even when presented with information challenging the culpability of the unvaccinated known at the time of data collection (eg, natural immunity, availability of vaccines, time since last vaccination). These findings support a scapegoating explanation for a specific group-based prejudice that emerged during the C19 pandemic. We encourage medical ethicists to examine the negative consequences of significant C19 risk overestimation among the public. The public needs accurate information about health issues. That may involve combating misinformation that overestimates and underestimates disease risk with similar vigilance to error.

https://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2023/06/09/jme-2022-108825


But how did the "risk overestimation among the public" come about?  Well, because the "expert" class - politicians, officials, "scientists", media - relentlessly, for years on end, vastly overestimated Covid-19.

Firstly, anything posted by retired nurse educator
John Campbell is suspect.  I don't know how many
times on these forums I've provided evidence
debunking what this silly old man says.

So, again...  Reviews of Articles by: John Campbell.

At any rate, Ches Crosbie is not a doctor, and has no
medical qualifications.   He's just another of the many
COVID denialists, and can safely be ignored.  And the
anti-vaxxers flock to him like a moth to the flame LOL.

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 16^th, 2023 at 8:47pm:

Firstly, anything posted by retired nurse educator John Campbell is suspect.  I don't know how many times on these forums I've provided evidence debunking what this silly old man says. So, again...  Reviews of Articles by: John Campbell. At any rate, Ches Crosbie is not a doctor, and has no medical qualifications.   He's just another of the many COVID denialists, and can safely be ignored.  And the anti-vaxxers flock to him like a moth to the flame LOL.

:D :D :D


so anyone who is critical of government and media overestimation of Covid is a 'covid denier', even when some of those critics were doctors, with medical qualification - which you yourself do not have.


What is YOUR qualification, then, to denounce doctors in the crudest, most gauche way, other than you agree with the government and they don't - ie your POLITICAL stance?

Excess deaths are way up.

Hard to know what the truth is?
The excess deaths could have been caused by billions of people
getting Covid and not dying straight away but months later
from heart damage etc.


https://www.bitchute.com/video/SnMiSxgnNQ7s/

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 16^th, 2023 at 8:47pm:

Firstly, anything posted by retired nurse educator John Campbell is suspect.  I don't know how many times on these forums I've provided evidence debunking what this silly old man says. So, again...  Reviews of Articles by: John Campbell. At any rate, Ches Crosbie is not a doctor, and has no medical qualifications.   He's just another of the many COVID denialists, and can safely be ignored.  And the anti-vaxxers flock to him like a moth to the flame LOL.

Indeed.

I still don't understand why conservatives believe everything (or indeed anything) that silly old man says.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18^th, 2023 at 11:39pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 16th, 2023 at 8:47pm: Firstly, anything posted by retired nurse educator John Campbell is suspect.  I don't know how many times on these forums I've provided evidence debunking what this silly old man says. So, again...  Reviews of Articles by: John Campbell. At any rate, Ches Crosbie is not a doctor, and has no medical qualifications.   He's just another of the many COVID denialists, and can safely be ignored.  And the anti-vaxxers flock to him like a moth to the flame LOL. Indeed. I still don't understand why conservatives believe everything (or indeed anything) that silly old man says.

Why are you wanking dry, little black mutt? Nobody understands it.

https://twitter.com/WhatWeWitnessed/status/1736014436438081977[

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 16^th, 2023 at 8:47pm:

Firstly, anything posted by retired nurse educator John Campbell is suspect.  I don't know how many times on these forums I've provided evidence debunking what this silly old man says. So, again...  Reviews of Articles by: John Campbell. At any rate, Ches Crosbie is not a doctor, and has no medical qualifications.   He's just another of the many COVID denialists, and can safely be ignored.

firstly, the number if australians who are fully vacced (at this stage 5 vaccines) is 1 in 20.

so 95% of the population are vaccine skepical.

i really dont understand why silly old men like carl, geoff and gweggy think they speak for the majority .

clearly they are the outliers, they are the hypochondriacs, they are the cult of worriers  ::) ::)

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 16^th, 2023 at 8:47pm:

He's just another of the many COVID denialists, and can safely be ignored.

What qualifies you to call it?

Readings from tea leaves?

It's a feature of early boomers - now that they're old - to revert to their parent's mindset - believing authority without question.

Ironic, given they began their early adulthood not trusting anyone over 30.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19^th, 2023 at 6:33am:

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 16th, 2023 at 8:47pm: He's just another of the many COVID denialists, and can safely be ignored.  What qualifies you to call it? Readings from tea leaves? It's a feature of early boomers - now that they're old - to revert to their parent's mindset - believing authority without question. Ironic, given they began their early adulthood not trusting anyone over 30.

Boomers were probably the first atheist generation
It's fine to be an atheist when you are young and healthy
Unfortunately for the boomers they are now old and fat
And fast approaching their demise

Death anxiety is rampant amongst the boomer generation
They have spent their life pleasuring themselves
In a fairly selfish way

They realise they have little in the way of legacy
And find it hard to accept that they will soon disappear into nothingness
They should have worked on reducing the size of their ego
By reducing the size of their self obsession and there attachment to pleasures

They did none of these things and now they are paying the price

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19^th, 2023 at 8:14am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 6:33am: AusGeoff wrote on Dec 16th, 2023 at 8:47pm: He's just another of the many COVID denialists, and can safely be ignored.  What qualifies you to call it? Readings from tea leaves? It's a feature of early boomers - now that they're old - to revert to their parent's mindset - believing authority without question. Ironic, given they began their early adulthood not trusting anyone over 30. Boomers were probably the first atheist generation It's fine to be an atheist when you are young and healthy Unfortunately for the boomers they are now old and fat And fast approaching their demise Death anxiety is rampant amongst the boomer generation They have spent their life pleasuring themselves In a fairly selfish way They realise they have little in the way of legacy And find it hard to accept that they will soon disappear into nothingness They should have worked on reducing the size of their ego By reducing the size of their self obsession and there attachment to pleasures They did none of these things and now they are paying the price

It's true that (particularly early Boomers) are candidates for being the most self-absorbed generation that has ever existed - certainly the most self-absorbed in the modern era,

But they didn't 'start the fire' of their self-absorption - that was inadvertently done to them by their parents and grandparents.

Having endured two world wars and a serious world economic depression, by 1945, pre-Boomers were done with suffering and determined that their children would live in a utopia.

Low unemployment, a world awash with easy money and explosions in technology, gave to the early Boomers of Western Europe and the Anglosphere, lives of comfort unparalleled in human history - even beyond that which aristocrats would have enjoyed.

But utopias are unsustainable due to the innate human need to be existentially challenged by circumstance - so the utopian lifestyle has brought with it a plague of crushing generalised anxiety - angst - and terrifying existential questions such as, 'What is the point of existence at all?'

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19^th, 2023 at 8:31am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 8:14am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 6:33am: AusGeoff wrote on Dec 16th, 2023 at 8:47pm: He's just another of the many COVID denialists, and can safely be ignored.  What qualifies you to call it? Readings from tea leaves? It's a feature of early boomers - now that they're old - to revert to their parent's mindset - believing authority without question. Ironic, given they began their early adulthood not trusting anyone over 30. Boomers were probably the first atheist generation It's fine to be an atheist when you are young and healthy Unfortunately for the boomers they are now old and fat And fast approaching their demise Death anxiety is rampant amongst the boomer generation They have spent their life pleasuring themselves In a fairly selfish way They realise they have little in the way of legacy And find it hard to accept that they will soon disappear into nothingness They should have worked on reducing the size of their ego By reducing the size of their self obsession and there attachment to pleasures They did none of these things and now they are paying the price It's true that (particularly early Boomers) are candidates for being the most self-absorbed generation that has ever existed - certainly the most self-absorbed in the modern era, But they didn't 'start the fire' of their self-absorption - that was inadvertently done to them by their parents and grandparents. Having endured two world wars and a serious world economic depression, by 1945, pre-Boomers were done with suffering and determined that their children would live in a utopia. Low unemployment, a world awash with easy money and explosions in technology, gave to the early Boomers of Western Europe and the Anglosphere, lives of comfort unparalleled in human history - even beyond that which aristocrats would have enjoyed. But utopias are unsustainable due to the innate human need to be existentially challenged by circumstance - so the utopian lifestyle has brought with it a plague of crushing generalised anxiety - angst - and terrifying existential questions such as, 'What is the point of existence at all?'

100% agree

All of my grandparents who fought or lived through world war 2
Were very accepting of their death

My grandfather who had a stroke did not call the ambulance till the next morning as he did not wish to inconvenience emergency services through the night

These people LED unentitled lives with little attachment to ego
And just a desire to see their children and grandchildren prosper

Now I see plagues of caravans on the road bearing the sticker
Spending the kids inheritance

The absolute disgusting selfishness of the current retiree
Is almost incomprehensible and they will pay a price for this selfishness

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19^th, 2023 at 9:21am:

The absolute disgusting selfishness of the current retiree Is almost incomprehensible and they will pay a price for this selfishness

They won't, (the 'universe' is neither moral nor amoral), but their children and grandchildren have and will.

Sustainable utopias can exist only in religious narratives in the form of a heaven or higher realm.

For mortals, temporary utopias come at a huge price - rapacious, pointless and self-rewarding consumerism, diminished concern for descendants' wellbeing, lower birth rates, diminishing resources, and severe existential angst imposed on descendants...

What exactly is the point of septuagenarians selling the farm to wander across the continent like aristocratic gypsies?

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19^th, 2023 at 5:13am:

firstly, the number if australians who are fully vacced (at this stage 5 vaccines) is 1 in 20. so 95% of the population are vaccine skepical.

Why is that the case, I wonder? Hint: it is closely related to the fact that 95% (more like 99% actually) won't wear a mask in crowded places to protect themselves and others from SARS-CoV-2. Oh, and in the case of the Covid vaccines, government and business "messaging" that Covid is over or "just a cold" nowadays.


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i really dont understand why silly old men like carl, geoff and gweggy think they speak for the majority .

Is that the majority of the half a dozen people (maximum) who read these threads? Or the majority of the Australian population?

Either way, they're obviously not listening. Eat, drink and be merry (and spend lots of money) is the only thing the majority are listening to at the moment.


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clearly they are the outliers, they are the hypochondriacs, they are the cult of worriers  ::) ::)

Yes, of course. Because everyone seems to believe it's just so normal to be constantly sick and sneezing and/or hacking up a lung (like I hear so many doing when I'm out shopping these days) at this time of the year in Australia.

And, I guarantee if I asked any of them if they think they might have Covid I would get that stunned, 'deer caught in the headlights' stare and they would say something like "oh, no... it isn't Covid" or "can't be Covid because I was told the pandemic is over".

While you're here... seeing as you're OzPolitic's Master of the Word Salad, could you decipher this for me?

If it's too confusing even for you perhaps your maskless wife who works in the local hospital might be able to help?

https://nitter.net/plumskyjam/status/1736636432201265322#m


Quote:

This response from @NSWCEC @NSWHealth on behalf of @RyanPark_Keira is so utterly negligent and deliberately risking the health of patients while @ACSQHC stand by and watch the charter of healthcare rights become completely meaningless. We urgently need airborne infection control!

Don't forget to read the replies.

(And, yes... I know that's in NSW but it would be exactly the same in Queensland and the rest of Australia).

Also...

https://nitter.net/AndrewHewat/status/1736709301677535305#m


Quote:

Read this👇 I challenge you. Try to read it and reconcile against the established science & best IPC after 4 years studying this virus. Unbelievable on so many levels. With leadership like this it fully explains the mess we are in. Thank you @plumskyjam for continuing the fight🙏

Indeed.


Quote:

Andrew Hewat @AndrewHewat 9h For the record, I couldn't finish it. It was so poorly written and full of so much crap, my mind would not tolerate and I gave up. It is not only embarrassing for @NSWHealth and @NSWCEC that they would send such a document, surely it equates with incredible incompetence.

Well, we are talking about government and pollies here so I wouldn't have expected anything different.

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The main thrust of the covid (over)reaction is due almost entirely to the Boomer generation's 'outrage' that their utopian life might be rudely interrupted... by 'unexpected' death - they all think 'science' and the rapid escalation of technology they have experienced all their lives will translate into their living forever - or at least until they're 120.

That sentiment is augmented by Gen-Z's predisposition towards suffering extreme anxiety over anything.

Boomers' concern for, say, vaccines being the cause of premature descendant-generations deaths, is not only nonexistent, but they refuse to allow it even to be discussed - with politicians from both sides of the aisle refusing even to debate it in their respective legislatures.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19^th, 2023 at 10:08am:

The main thrust of the covid (over)reaction is due almost entirely to the Boomer generation's 'outrage' that their utopian life might be rudely interrupted... by 'unexpected' death - they all think 'science' and the rapid escalation of technology they have experienced all their lives will translate into their living forever - or at least until they're 120. That sentiment is augmented by Gen-Z's predisposition towards suffering extreme anxiety over anything. Boomers' concern for, say, vaccines being the cause of premature descendant-generations deaths, is not only nonexistent, but they refuse to allow it even to be discussed - with politicians from both sides of the aisle refusing even to debate it in their respective legislatures.

human success RELIES upon the social contract that each generation will
sacrifice itself to ensure that the subsequent generation does better.

migrants understand this
they will happily work 2 blue collar jobs to see their kids go to university
it is the fuel that give them joy.

when societies do not ensure the next generation does better, the next generation becomes very disruptive and unhappy and , surprisingly, most of the grandparents become very unhappy about the distress subsequent generations are manifesting


society will fall over if this is not corrected.

young people must be given better housing then their parents, better education, better health care, more srimulating jobs, better prospects for travel and for meeting the opposite sex and raising their own family,

currently, on EVERY parameter, the younger generation are worse off.

the older generation appear to just not care

they are using their home equity to fuel personal pleasure rather then building wealth to be passed on

this is the number one thing that will result in societal collapse.
it seems the older generation are so selfish they dont care and they think they will be out of here when the poo really hits the fan .

disgraceful stuff

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19^th, 2023 at 12:06pm:

it seems the older generation are so selfish they dont care and they think they will be out of here when the poo really hits the fan .

And speaking of sh!t...

As the population of post-boomer generations continues its decline and those generations don't see much honour in careers as carers, who will be there to hose the sh!t off these Boomers' demented arses?

It will be left to their grandkids whom they swindled out of an inheritance due to their last-minute mad dash to relive their teenage years as grey nomads... so, good luck with that!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19^th, 2023 at 1:10pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 12:06pm: it seems the older generation are so selfish they dont care and they think they will be out of here when the poo really hits the fan . And speaking of sh!t... As the population of post-boomer generations continues its decline and those generations don't see much honour in careers as carers, who will be there to hose the sh!t off these Boomers' demented arses? It will be left to their grandkids whom they swindled out of an inheritance due to their last-minute mad dash to relive their teenage years as grey nomads... so, good luck with that!

truer words were never spoken

hence why every state is ramping up assisted voluntary dying and canada under leftie trudeau now has the loosest euthenasia laws on the planet

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19^th, 2023 at 1:10pm:

And speaking of sh!t... As the population of post-boomer generations continues its decline and those generations don't see much honour in careers as carers, who will be there to hose the sh!t off these Boomers' demented arses? It will be left to their grandkids whom they swindled out of an inheritance due to their last-minute mad dash to relive their teenage years as grey nomads... so, good luck with that!

And good luck to the "grey nomads" seeing as they are perfectly entitled to spend the grandkids' "inheritance" as they see fit.

You know the old saying - "You can't take it with you (when you die)".

The grandkids can work and earn their own money just like their grandparents did... and if the kids are "flourishing" as much as aquascoot likes to think they should be then that shouldn't be a problem for them now, should it?

Carl D wrote on Dec 19^th, 2023 at 5:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 1:10pm: And speaking of sh!t... As the population of post-boomer generations continues its decline and those generations don't see much honour in careers as carers, who will be there to hose the sh!t off these Boomers' demented arses? It will be left to their grandkids whom they swindled out of an inheritance due to their last-minute mad dash to relive their teenage years as grey nomads... so, good luck with that! And good luck to the "grey nomads" seeing as they are perfectly entitled to spend the grandkids' "inheritance" as they see fit. You know the old saying - "You can't take it with you (when you die)". The grandkids can work and earn their own money just like their grandparents did... and if the kids are "flourishing" as much as aquascoot likes to think they should be then that shouldn't be a problem for them now, should it?

Incorrect

We should be handing over balanced books a balanced energy situation
An ability to extract resources if necessary as the boomers have done

The boomers have basically racked up debt
Trashed mother nature
Extracted all the fossil fuel and water to fuel their own entitlement

And then said to the younger generation clean up this mess
Pay off that debt
And do it all whilst getting your energy from solar panels and wind turbines

Talk about selfish entitlement
Disgraceful stuff

Carl D wrote on Dec 19^th, 2023 at 5:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 1:10pm: And speaking of sh!t... As the population of post-boomer generations continues its decline and those generations don't see much honour in careers as carers, who will be there to hose the sh!t off these Boomers' demented arses? It will be left to their grandkids whom they swindled out of an inheritance due to their last-minute mad dash to relive their teenage years as grey nomads... so, good luck with that! And good luck to the "grey nomads" seeing as they are perfectly entitled to spend the grandkids' "inheritance" as they see fit. You know the old saying - "You can't take it with you (when you die)". The grandkids can work and earn their own money just like their grandparents did... and if the kids are "flourishing" as much as aquascoot likes to think they should be then that shouldn't be a problem for them now, should it?

And no one is obliged to nurse them as they rot from the inside out.

As MeisterEckhart and Aquascoot have decided to
derail this thread with a meaningless rant against
baby boomers, I have to ask the obvious questions...

Why are they so afraid of us boomers, and what fuels
their jealousy of our lifestyles?

Each of them will eventually become so-called shadow
boomers, so it'd be interesting to revisit the silly comments
they make now when that time—inevitability as the clock
turns—comes around.

—I'd be interested in knowing just how old MeisterEckhart
   and Aquascoot are...  guys?

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 19^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

As MeisterEckhart and Aquascoot have decided to derail this thread with a meaningless rant against baby boomers, I have to ask the obvious questions... Why are they so afraid of us boomers, and what fuels their jealousy of our lifestyles? Each of them will eventually become so-called shadow boomers, so it'd be interesting to revisit the silly comments they make now when that time—inevitability as the clock turns—comes around. —I'd be interested in knowing just how old MeisterEckhart    and Aquascoot are...  guys?

The only time you seem to respond on this forum is when you have a codger spat.

I am a boomer
Could easily easily retired if I wanted to and live in luxury
Could spend the next 20 years on a cruise ship or lolling around on a beach

Would probably be last about 2 hours before I was bored out of my brain
Intend to work until the day I die

Absolutely adore the grind
Should be able to pass on capital and be a good role model to children and grandchildren
Capital will only be passed on to children and grandchildren who show the correct attitude to life

That is

If one of my children is extremely successful then I would probably give them a larger share
As we should reinforce success

Thankfully they are all extremely motivated and hence that keeps me motivated to keep building the family equity pie

If you are approaching old age and your focus is not on your children and grandchildren
I absolutely pity you

The thought of pleasuring myself in my old age makes me feel sick to my stomach
I would jump out a window rather than be an entitled leech bludging on society

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19^th, 2023 at 8:12pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 8:03pm: As MeisterEckhart and Aquascoot have decided to derail this thread with a meaningless rant against baby boomers, I have to ask the obvious questions... Why are they so afraid of us boomers, and what fuels their jealousy of our lifestyles? Each of them will eventually become so-called shadow boomers, so it'd be interesting to revisit the silly comments they make now when that time—inevitability as the clock turns—comes around. —I'd be interested in knowing just how old MeisterEckhart    and Aquascoot are...  guys? The only time you seem to respond on this forum is when you have a codger spat.

LOL... as I expected.  Too fearful of telling us how old you are. 
 
How pathetic.   All piss and wind.      :D

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19^th, 2023 at 9:10pm:

...If you are approaching old age and your focus is not on your children and grandchildren I absolutely pity you The thought of pleasuring myself in my old age makes me feel sick to my stomach I would jump out a window rather than be an entitled leech bludging on society

Well, you can forget your "pity" as I (thankfully) never had
children.  In fact most children are everything we abhor in
adults—they're egocentric, ill-mannered, are unruly and noisy,
demanding, selfish, impudent, and intolerant etc.

I'm not quite sure you mean by implying I could be an
"entitled leech" or "bludging" on society?   Please clarify.

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 20^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 9:10pm: ...If you are approaching old age and your focus is not on your children and grandchildren I absolutely pity you The thought of pleasuring myself in my old age makes me feel sick to my stomach I would jump out a window rather than be an entitled leech bludging on society Well, you can forget your "pity" as I (thankfully) never had children.  In fact most children are everything we abhor in adults—they're egocentric, ill-mannered, are unruly and noisy, demanding, selfish, impudent, and intolerant etc. I'm not quite sure you mean by implying I could be an "entitled leech" or "bludging" on society?   Please clarify.

What a surprise, not!

So you've been a child all your life, then.

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 20^th, 2023 at 9:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 8:12pm: AusGeoff wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 8:03pm: As MeisterEckhart and Aquascoot have decided to derail this thread with a meaningless rant against baby boomers, I have to ask the obvious questions... Why are they so afraid of us boomers, and what fuels their jealousy of our lifestyles? Each of them will eventually become so-called shadow boomers, so it'd be interesting to revisit the silly comments they make now when that time—inevitability as the clock turns—comes around. —I'd be interested in knowing just how old MeisterEckhart    and Aquascoot are...  guys? The only time you seem to respond on this forum is when you have a codger spat. LOL... as I expected.  Too fearful of telling us how old you are.    How pathetic.   All piss and wind.      :D

Piss and wind, eh!

Not that I'd recommend publishing personal details, but did you reveal your age?

What you posted was that you're a Boomer.

That puts you in the age range of 60 to 78...

Judging from your posts, I'm guessing you're close to the latter end.

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 20^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 9:10pm: ...If you are approaching old age and your focus is not on your children and grandchildren I absolutely pity you The thought of pleasuring myself in my old age makes me feel sick to my stomach I would jump out a window rather than be an entitled leech bludging on society Well, you can forget your "pity" as I (thankfully) never had children.  In fact most children are everything we abhor in adults—they're egocentric, ill-mannered, are unruly and noisy, demanding, selfish, impudent, and intolerant etc. I'm not quite sure you mean by implying I could be an "entitled leech" or "bludging" on society?   Please clarify.

Same here. No children... and for the exact same reasons.

"Please clarify"

Oh, God.... NO!!! Here comes another aquascoot word salad about "the meaning of life" (according to him).

::)

Kids are the meaning of life
Grandkids even more so
A society which does not recognise this is doomed

The great thing about kids grandkids a business having lots of animals
Is that there are always problems and challenges to be dealt with

Andrew huberman the world's number one medical podcaster was talking about a area of the brain called the pre-singulate cortex

It appears to be totally related to the solving of novel problems
It is the drive that makes us feel elevated when we solve a new problem

If you fail to stimulate this area of the brain
Depression and dementia come on much more quickly

Heberman believes that this center of the brain
Is closely related to the
Will to live

In other words once you have solved all your problems
Evolutionary biology causes you to lose your desire to stay alive

If you want to bounce out of bed every morning with vigor
If you want 2 flourish
You must insure you have plenty of problems and challenges to face up to

Kids grandkids and running a business are protective of your mental health

Sitting on a beach
Watching daytime TV
Pleasuring yourself at the local food court
Being constantly stuck in your own head with no concerns except yourself is catastrophic

aquascoot wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 8:03am:

In other words once you have solved all your problems Evolutionary biology causes you to lose your desire to stay alive

Observed even with captive high-order animals.

It's long been realised by zoo workers that if high-order animals are kept in enclosures where food is easily available, the animals become depressed and neurotic and tend to self-harm or become aggressive towards other animals.

Carl D wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 7:51am:

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 20th, 2023 at 9:51pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 9:10pm: ...If you are approaching old age and your focus is not on your children and grandchildren I absolutely pity you The thought of pleasuring myself in my old age makes me feel sick to my stomach I would jump out a window rather than be an entitled leech bludging on society Well, you can forget your "pity" as I (thankfully) never had children.  In fact most children are everything we abhor in adults—they're egocentric, ill-mannered, are unruly and noisy, demanding, selfish, impudent, and intolerant etc. I'm not quite sure you mean by implying I could be an "entitled leech" or "bludging" on society?   Please clarify. Same here. No children... and for the exact same reasons. "Please clarify"

Again, not surprising given your posts.

It explains your obsession with your aunt - your only reason for being.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 8:45am:

Again, not surprising given your posts. It explains your obsession with your aunt - your only reason for being.

lol... yeah, sure.

You just go right on believing that if you like.

My only "obsession" with my nearly 94 year old aunt is keeping her safe from Covid because our useless PM and his government can't/won't (because of "the economy", of course).

We've both had Covid once which was one time more than I was planning to get it. I don't intend for it to happen again.

Perhaps Airbus Albo meant for a few weeks after 15/7/2022 when he said "coming weeks"? But he didn't even protect them for that long.

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Carl D wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 9:01am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 8:45am: Again, not surprising given your posts. It explains your obsession with your aunt - your only reason for being. lol... yeah, sure. You just go right on believing that if you like. My only "obsession" with my nearly 94 year old aunt is keeping her safe from Covid because our useless PM and his government can't/won't (because of "the economy", of course).

And before covid, what was your obsession with her focused on?

Governments across the world are winding back the covid obsession, even within the demented Trudeau government - it's a matter of: rebuild the economy after the covid overreaction or face economic collapse.

Meanwhile... back in reality...

Woman in 'despair' after shielding from Covid for years

This is in the UK but the same thing has been happening/is still happening here in Australia (despite the government claiming that the vulnerable would be protected).


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A former lawyer says she is in "despair" after spending three years in isolation shielding from Covid-19. Jennifer, who lives in North East Somerset and has eight autoimmune conditions, says she is living a "ridiculously restricted, unpleasant, depressing life". She said she is one of thousands of "forgotten people" still shielding from the virus. Jennifer is now backing a new report calling on the government to do more. A group of MPs has been discussing the findings of a report from the University of Bath, which surveyed 800 immuno-compromised people on the ongoing impact of Covid-19 - and they're calling on Health Minister Victoria Atkins to take action.

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The report revealed "persistent, negative differences in health, finances, mental health, trust in politics and life satisfaction" among immuno-compromised people when compared with the general population. It also found immuno-compromised people had higher rates of diagnosis of mental health conditions. In the UK, 1.2 million people are still classed as "clinically exceptionally vulnerable" to Covid-19 and are required to shield.  Due to their conditions and medications the current Covid-19 vaccines are ineffective for many of them.

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Jennifer, who has multiple health conditions and is functionally disabled, said she was in "despair, desolation and great depression" from being in isolation for so long. "There's been no shops, no travel, no life, nothing. I feel that my life is passing me by," she said. No one has visited her in her house for about three years and she lives separately to her husband. "He's entitled to have a life, but it means we do not have a life together," she said. Jennifer said catching Covid-19 could result in her hospitalisation or even death. She is also worried about being admitted to hospital for any other problem and catching the virus there. Protective drugs could help give people with compromised immune systems more freedom, but the government has not yet agreed to fund any.

But, as long as the "majority" can do whatever they like - parties, holidays etc. and spending, spending, spending for the economy (maskless, of course) then the many people like Jennifer are not important, are they?

You believe a mask keeps you safe so wear one and you will be safe right?  If not why demand it?

You believe in lockdowns to keep you safe, so lock yourself down and shop from home etc.

Carl do whatever you need to do if you believe it keeps you safe but trying to dictate misplaced compulsory authoritative demands on others is irrational and paranoid.

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 10:01am:

You believe a mask keeps you safe so wear one and you will be safe right?  If not why demand it? You believe in lockdowns to keep you safe, so lock yourself down and shop from home etc. Carl do whatever you need to do if you believe it keeps you safe but trying to make misplaced compulsory authoritative demands of others is irrational.

Hi BO,
I think the masks at least stop people from coughing or sneezing
an aerosol of droplets into the air.
They help a bit.
Every time I go shopping - about every 2 minutes I hear someone coughing or sneezing
and almost no one is wearing a mask.
Most don't bother using a tissue or using their elbow to break the sneeze or cough -
they are filthy, irresponsible animals.

Round and round and round we go...

Feels like I'm trapped on a merry-go-round of endless stupidity in this section.

No wonder hardly anyone posts here anymore, it's like freaking Groundhog Day.

(I'm replying to Black Orchid here by the way, Bobby posted while I was typing).

Oh, and I'm also replying to the post below this which just 'popped up' while I was editing.

Carl D wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 9:39am:

But, as long as the "majority" can do whatever they like - parties, holidays etc. and spending, spending, spending for the economy (maskless, of course) then the many people like Jennifer are not important, are they?

It's called having a life... Might be a bit late for you to start trying it.

Carl D wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 10:09am:

Round and round and round we go... Feels like I'm trapped on a merry-go-round of endless stupidity in this section. No wonder hardly anyone posts here anymore, it's like freaking Groundhog Day. (I'm replying to Black Orchid here, by the way, Bobby posted while I was typing).

Name calling now?  Well done, Carl.

And you're right it is like an obsessively paranoid Groundhog Day.  Well done again!

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 10:01am:

You believe a mask keeps you safe so wear one and you will be safe right?  If not why demand it? You believe in lockdowns to keep you safe, so lock yourself down and shop from home etc. Carl do whatever you need to do if you believe it keeps you safe but trying to dictate misplaced compulsory authoritative demands on others is irrational and paranoid.

He wants the world locked down so he and his aunt can shuffle through empty streets lined with closed-down shops.

Always the same with those who've never lived...

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 10:08am:

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 10:01am: You believe a mask keeps you safe so wear one and you will be safe right?  If not why demand it? You believe in lockdowns to keep you safe, so lock yourself down and shop from home etc. Carl do whatever you need to do if you believe it keeps you safe but trying to make misplaced compulsory authoritative demands of others is irrational. Hi BO, I think the masks at least stop people from coughing or sneezing an aerosol of droplets into the air. They help a bit. Every time I go shopping - about every 2 minutes I hear someone coughing or sneezing and almost no one is wearing a mask. Most don't bother using a tissue or using their elbow to break the sneeze or cough - they are filthy, irresponsible animals.

Wear your mask and keep away from people then Bobby. 

People don't just cough and sneeze on the area your mask covers ie your mouth and nose.  They'll cough and sneeze on your groceries, clothes, arms, skin, hair etc.  A mask isn't going to save you.

Why don't you all get back to me when SARS-CoV-2 (more 'affectionately' known as COVID-19) turns into "just a cold" or becomes "just like any other respiratory illness"?

I guarantee I'll be waiting a long, long time... probably forever.

Carl D wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 10:09am:

Round and round and round we go... Feels like I'm trapped on a merry-go-round of endless stupidity in this section. No wonder hardly anyone posts here anymore, it's like freaking Groundhog Day. (I'm replying to Black Orchid here by the way, Bobby posted while I was typing). Oh, and I'm also replying to the post below this which just 'popped up' while I was editing.

Is your surname Marx?

Carl D wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 10:20am:

I guarantee I'll be waiting a long, long time... probably forever.

Don't get your hopes up...You're an old codger...

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 10:18am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 10:08am: Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 10:01am: You believe a mask keeps you safe so wear one and you will be safe right?  If not why demand it? You believe in lockdowns to keep you safe, so lock yourself down and shop from home etc. Carl do whatever you need to do if you believe it keeps you safe but trying to make misplaced compulsory authoritative demands of others is irrational. Hi BO, I think the masks at least stop people from coughing or sneezing an aerosol of droplets into the air. They help a bit. Every time I go shopping - about every 2 minutes I hear someone coughing or sneezing and almost no one is wearing a mask. Most don't bother using a tissue or using their elbow to break the sneeze or cough - they are filthy, irresponsible animals. Wear your mask and keep away from people then Bobby.  People don't just cough and sneeze on the area your mask covers ie your mouth and nose.  They'll cough and sneeze on your groceries, clothes, arms, skin, hair etc.  A mask isn't going to save you.

Hi BO,
I don't wear a mask anymore.

The most likely way to get an infection is to breathe in an aerosol of
droplets containing millions of live virus particles.

In Melbourne -
if the animals that were sneezing and coughing would at least
have the courtesy to wear a mask it might help a lot.
It might also help if they didn't go shopping while showing obvious symptoms of infection.
It seems that is too much to ask of the inconsiderate, selfish bastards.
I bet it's the same in Sydney?

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 10:25am:

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 10:18am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 10:08am: Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 10:01am: You believe a mask keeps you safe so wear one and you will be safe right?  If not why demand it? You believe in lockdowns to keep you safe, so lock yourself down and shop from home etc. Carl do whatever you need to do if you believe it keeps you safe but trying to make misplaced compulsory authoritative demands of others is irrational. Hi BO, I think the masks at least stop people from coughing or sneezing an aerosol of droplets into the air. They help a bit. Every time I go shopping - about every 2 minutes I hear someone coughing or sneezing and almost no one is wearing a mask. Most don't bother using a tissue or using their elbow to break the sneeze or cough - they are filthy, irresponsible animals. Wear your mask and keep away from people then Bobby.  People don't just cough and sneeze on the area your mask covers ie your mouth and nose.  They'll cough and sneeze on your groceries, clothes, arms, skin, hair etc.  A mask isn't going to save you. Hi BO, I don't wear a mask anymore. The most likely way to get an infection is to breathe in an aerosol of droplets containing millions of live virus particles. In Melbourne - if the animals that were sneezing and coughing would at least have the courtesy to wear a mask it might help a lot. It might also help if they didn't go shopping while showing obvious symptoms of infection. It seems that is too much to ask of the inconsiderate, selfish bastards. I bet it's the same in Sydney?

I haven't come across anyone obviously infectious in my daily travels nor have I been in a supermarket or shop etc with people coughing and sneezing around me.  If I did, I'd move well away.

Sydney must be more civilised lol.

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 10:37am:

I haven't come across anyone obviously infectious in my daily travels nor have I been in a supermarket or shop etc with people coughing and sneezing around me.  If I did, I'd move well away. Sydney must be more civilised lol.

Hi BO,
You must live in a salubrious suburb of Sydney?

There are many people of a low socioeconomic demographic where I live.
You can't go to the pubs on Saturday night as they turn into blood baths and
the streets are full of cars and motorbikes racing around most nights
at more than double the speed limit making lots of noise.
The shopping centers are full of people with tattoos and
germ infested animals sneezing and coughing over the top of you.
You really need to get out more and see the real world.
Maybe try your Western suburbs?

Maybe this might motivate our useless Federal and State governments to do something about Covid. After all... it's about the economy and money and that's all they're interested in?

But I doubt it... especially if it involves making people wear masks again (government is afraid of the 'cooker' backlash, not to mention the backlash from business - see my signature).

There Is Money in Prevention


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Companies have been ignoring the enormous long Covid risk for too long. Now they're paying for it – literally. Implementing the Swiss cheese system could make them largely Covid-proof in no time. So what needs to be done?

And seeing as I'm apparently caught in a Groundhog Day 'loop' here it might be time for me to bring this up again... it's about the third or fourth time from memory.

How do our Federal and State governments get away with allowing a Level 3 Biohazrd virus like SARS-CoV-2 to run rampant and kill and disable people in contravention of this International Covenant (which Australia has been a signatory to for decades)?

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights - Article 12, Section 2 (c)


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The prevention, treatment and control of epidemic, endemic, occupational and other diseases

This would also apply to the flu which is brought in from overseas every year but our governments have also been ignoring that for decades.

And, our States and Territories are also ignoring their own Health Acts by allowing Covid (and the flu) to spread unhindered.

How are they getting away with it? Anyone?

Last I heard some lawyers were supposed to be looking into this but I'm sure that our pathetic Federal and State governments will have found a way to 'safely' ignore it already. After all, Australia has prior 'form' in ignoring Covenants and other international treaties, etc. when it suits them... the treatment of refugees is a classic example.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 10:46am:

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 10:37am: I haven't come across anyone obviously infectious in my daily travels nor have I been in a supermarket or shop etc with people coughing and sneezing around me.  If I did, I'd move well away. Sydney must be more civilised lol. Hi BO, You must live in a salubrious suburb of Sydney? There are many people of a low socioeconomic demographic where I live. You can't go to the pubs on Saturday night as they turn into blood baths and the streets are full of cars and motorbikes racing around most nights at more than double the speed limit making lots of noise. The shopping centers are full of people with tattoos and germ infested animals sneezing and coughing over the top of you. You really need to get out more and see the real world. Maybe try your Western suburbs?

I'll take a pass on the western suburbs thanks all the same.   :)

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 11:03am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 10:46am: Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 10:37am: I haven't come across anyone obviously infectious in my daily travels nor have I been in a supermarket or shop etc with people coughing and sneezing around me.  If I did, I'd move well away. Sydney must be more civilised lol. Hi BO, You must live in a salubrious suburb of Sydney? There are many people of a low socioeconomic demographic where I live. You can't go to the pubs on Saturday night as they turn into blood baths and the streets are full of cars and motorbikes racing around most nights at more than double the speed limit making lots of noise. The shopping centers are full of people with tattoos and germ infested animals sneezing and coughing over the top of you. You really need to get out more and see the real world. Maybe try your Western suburbs? I'll take a pass on the western suburbs thanks all the same.   :)

But you'll appreciate your suburb more.  :)

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 8:43am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 8:03am: In other words once you have solved all your problems Evolutionary biology causes you to lose your desire to stay alive Observed even with captive high-order animals. It's long been realised by zoo workers that if high-order animals are kept in enclosures where food is easily available, the animals become depressed and neurotic and tend to self-harm or become aggressive towards other animals.

Very interesting meister

I was originally a bit supportive of universal basic income
But looking at this phenomenon ubi may well be a disaster

Certainly people on unemployment benefits are six times more likely to commit suicide
Certainly the mental health of aboriginal communities suffered terribly when they were given sit down money
Effectively given access to food like the higher order animals in the zoo
But not given any problems to solve

I would imagine that the lions may well benefit mentally
From being given live prey to chase down

If the world economic forum get their way and by their own admission
People are well fed and looked after and don't have much to do except entertain themselves
We can probably expect to see a big deterioration in mental health

aquascoot wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 11:19am:

[quote author=MeisterEckhart link=1702681097/33#33 date=1703112204] If the world economic forum get their way and by their own admission People are well fed and looked after and don't have much to do except entertain themselves We can probably expect to see a big deterioration in mental health

It's happening now.

It's been almost a generation since the explosion of easy access to information and, particularly, the online economy.

What was thought in the 90s would lead to a utopia has, in terms of a mental health crisis, become a dystopia - as it was always destined to become.

Utopias cannot exist in reality - our instincts towards working for survival won't allow it... They can only exist in our imagination and within our religious myths.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 20^th, 2023 at 10:40pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 20th, 2023 at 9:51pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 9:10pm: ...If you are approaching old age and your focus is not on your children and grandchildren I absolutely pity you The thought of pleasuring myself in my old age makes me feel sick to my stomach I would jump out a window rather than be an entitled leech bludging on society Well, you can forget your "pity" as I (thankfully) never had children.  In fact most children are everything we abhor in adults—they're egocentric, ill-mannered, are unruly and noisy, demanding, selfish, impudent, and intolerant etc. I'm not quite sure you mean by implying I could be an "entitled leech" or "bludging" on society?   Please clarify. What a surprise, not! So you've been a child all your life, then.

I think I've told you in the past that flattery will
get you nowhere with me my friend LOL.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 6:06am:

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 20th, 2023 at 9:29pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 8:12pm: AusGeoff wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 8:03pm: As MeisterEckhart and Aquascoot have decided to derail this thread with a meaningless rant against baby boomers, I have to ask the obvious questions... Why are they so afraid of us boomers, and what fuels their jealousy of our lifestyles? Each of them will eventually become so-called shadow boomers, so it'd be interesting to revisit the silly comments they make now when that time—inevitability as the clock turns—comes around. —I'd be interested in knowing just how old MeisterEckhart    and Aquascoot are...  guys? The only time you seem to respond on this forum is when you have a codger spat. LOL... as I expected.  Too fearful of telling us how old you are.    How pathetic.   All piss and wind.      :D Piss and wind, eh! Not that I'd recommend publishing personal details, but did you reveal your age? What you posted was that you're a Boomer. That puts you in the age range of 60 to 78... Judging from your posts, I'm guessing you're close to the latter end.

Pretty good guess!     ;D 

I'm 77, born in September 1946.  I'm guessing that
I was dad's Christmas present to my mum after the
war was over LOL.

(BTW, I don't think someone's age can be considered
a personal identifier.)

It narrows things down quite a bit when doing a 'location' in Eastern Gippsland area.  ;)
Thanks Geoff.

Caution: Contains FACTS !

Burnet Institute’s response to the Commonwealth Government’s COVID-19 Response Inquiry (Main Page)

The Burnet Institute’s response to The Commonwealth Government COVID-19 Response Inquiry (The Submission)

Supporting Documentation

But will Australia's upcoming sham of a Covid Inquiry take any notice? Probably not.

They'll be too busy lapping up all of the BS from people like Covid minimiser/wrong about everything Covid related Nick Coatsworth. ::)

nick is one good looking rooster

i bet he's got better things to do then cower in lockdown

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strong powerful family man

wants his kids to thrive

good on you nick, you are a heroic figure

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The esteemed Dr. David Berger would like to know how Dr. Nick came to the conclusion that Australia "went too far" in controlling Covid in the first 2 years of the pandemic.

So would I.

https://nitter.net/YouAreLobbyLud/status/1746810581259309551#m


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Covid deaths in Australia to January 15 2024: 23,910 Covid deaths in UK to December 15 2023: 233,791 Population Australia: 25.69 million Population UK: 67.33 million 25.69/67.33*233791 = 89204 "EXPECTED" Aus deaths -->  89204-23910 = *** 65,294 AUSTRALIAN DEATHS PREVENTED ***

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65,294 DEATHS PREVENTED in Australia is roughly 60 times the annual road death toll. Tell me again how Australia went 'too far' in controlling COVID.

Yes, Dr. Nick. Please tell us.

If I lived in Canberra Dr. Nick would be the last doctor I would ever want to see.

"He is also employed as a health expert by Nine, owner of the Australian Financial Review"

"health expert"  ;D

And his employer pretty much says it all, as far as I'm concerned. Oh, and I've also heard rumours Dr. Nick wants to run as a candidate for the Liberal Party somewhere in an upcoming election... that also tells me what sort of person he really is (not that Labor are any better or even different these days).

Also...

https://nitter.net/DAVIDTH76538792/status/1746840529885876384#m


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Perhaps Dr Nick will be better suited to his new career spruiking weight loss and premature ejaculation treatments.

;D ;D ;D

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