"One might believe it’s just a matter of making a persuasive argument, loaded with empirical facts and sound logic, articulated with perfect clarity. This is what the left-wing media often believes, and we have seen how successful that strategy has been — Donald Trump is as influential as ever.

But what if I told you that our neural wiring determines whether we have the ability to change our minds? What if I told you that science suggests conservatives, who are extremely likely to be voting for Trump this election, generally have more rigid cognitive systems, which means they are less adaptable, and therefore, less likely to adopt a new framework or perspective when their approach fails?

A seminal study by social psychologist David Amodio and colleagues at New York University suggests that the typical conservative is not likely to be convinced by something as simple as a logically persuasive argument. For some conservatives, it's like asking them to change the color of their eyes. A progressive worldview cannot pierce their psyche because being dogmatic is programmed into the fabric of that worldview. It is not just that they are “stubborn”; their brains are actually wired to resist things that are new and different. So, you could say they lack “free will” when it comes to their voting decision. When we speak of free will in a modern sense, we are talking about the personal agency that enables one to override ingrained biases and consider alternative perspectives.

To understand the implications of this study, we must voyage into the realm of neuroscience, where secrets of the mind await discovery. The ERN, which stands for “error related negativity,” is a spike in brain activity that is triggered when we commit an error. It serves as a kind of internal alert system within our brain, signaling when a mistake has been made. It emerges in the brain region known as the anterior cingulate cortex, which helps us navigate situations where established patterns or behaviors are ineffective and require adjustment. For example, if a person is learning to play a musical instrument and hits a wrong note, the ERN might spike, prompting them to correct their finger positioning and playing style. Over time, as they practice and adapt, the frequency of these ERN spikes will decrease, indicating improved proficiency and fewer mistakes.

Armed with a knowledge of the nature of the ERN, Dr. Amodio and colleagues ventured into the terrain of politics. Their highly-cited 2007 study revealed an illuminating connection between one's political orientation and the intensity of the ERN response. What they found was that participants with liberal views exhibited a more pronounced ERN. This suggests they have a heightened sensitivity to error signals, indicating a cognitive system that acknowledges the need for adjustments in perspective and strategy. Essentially, when their established behavioral patterns were shown to be incorrect or suboptimal, their brains signaled more intensely for an adaptive response. From these findings, we can conclude that progressive-minded individuals possess a neural predisposition for recognizing the need for change and growth.



Conservatives, on the other hand, exhibited a smaller ERN. This suggests that their cognitive system is more resistant to signals advocating for change or reconsideration. We can think of this as a neural reflection of their preference for stability, tradition and consistency. The typical conservative voter’s mental landscape, sculpted by a combination of genetics and indoctrinating experiences, values the familiar and reliable. Established norms and long-held beliefs provide a safe harbor in the face of a changing society and an uncertain future. It's a mindset where radical shifts or sudden upheavals are perceived not as opportunities but threats to a delicate equilibrium. Conservatism is essentially a neurocognitive inclination aimed at preserving the status quo.

So, what are we supposed to take away from these results? Does it mean there’s no hope for shifting anyone’s stances this election?

One might reasonably conclude that we should simply focus on getting all those already on our ideological side to turn out to the polls on voting day.

But using that strategy alone is risky. We should not give up hope in spreading a progressive worldview, because resistance to change and evolution eventually leads to societal collapse. History has unequivocally demonstrated that. Adaptivity is the key to individual and collective survival. This means we have an ethical obligation to be evangelists for progress and sensible change. This will require a bit of social engineering and some creativity.

Persuading the conservatives intending to vote for Trump is not about convincing them with logic; it is about understanding and navigating their innate preference for stability and tradition. By recognizing the inherent gravitation toward consistency, we see that the presentation of facts or data might not be the most persuasive tool. Effective persuasion demands an approach that's strategically empathetic. Rather than challenging the core of their beliefs head-on, it’s far more effective to frame arguments in a way that resonates with their intrinsic values — stability, tradition and consistency. Narratives and stories that weave in those facts that resonate with their core values will be more compelling. Presenting change not as a rupture, but as a natural evolution of the existing order, can be a more palatable and effective narrative.

To truly sway Republican voters, we must employ more than just arguments. It demands a properly balanced mix of genuine empathy, clever communication strategy and a basic grasp of the neurocognitive biases shaping their perspectives.

In the end, the outcome of the election may well hinge on our ability to navigate the cognitive labyrinth of the conservative mind."


https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/brain-of-a-trump-supporter/?utm_source=superhead

No-one?

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:57pm:

No-one?

Some breathtaking stupidity on display here. To claim that a neurological factor is responsible for determining a persons political beliefs is utterly ridiculous.  ::)

That is not what the paper says at all.

Conservatives find it very hard to change their mind.

Belgarion wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 12:57pm: No-one? Some breathtaking stupidity on display here. To claim that a neurological factor is responsible for determining a persons political beliefs is utterly ridiculous.  ::)

I laughed when I read it.
Just a pathetic attempt by Mothra to make excuses that the ALP stuffed up and the fear that Trump might become President again, because the Democraps/Biden are 'impaired' to be effective.

Note also that the Left's weapons of choice are the Music/Entertainment of the Media and the Medical.
Both failing to relate to Politics in this day and age. ;D

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:57pm:

No-one?

Cares

https://i.ibb.co/25d3qhr/Screenshot-2023-10-16-at-14-16-24-Raw-Story-Bias-and-Credibility.png

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

That is not what the paper says at all. Conservatives find it very hard to change their mind.

That's exactly what it says:......Conservatives, on the other hand, exhibited a smaller ERN. This suggests that their cognitive system is more resistant to signals advocating for change or reconsideration. We can think of this as a neural reflection of their preference for stability, tradition and consistency. The typical conservative voter’s mental landscape, sculpted by a combination of genetics and indoctrinating experiences, values the familiar and reliable. Established norms and long-held beliefs provide a safe harbor in the face of a changing society and an uncertain future. It's a mindset where radical shifts or sudden upheavals are perceived not as opportunities but threats to a delicate equilibrium. Conservatism is essentially a neurocognitive inclination aimed at preserving the status quo......

If we are going town this road then I would suggest that so called 'progressives' have never matured mentally and have a childish desire  for approval which leads them to blindly follow the crowd and makes them intolerant of any view that clashes with their own. ::)

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

That is not what the paper says at all. Conservatives find it very hard to change their mind.

Not at all. We Conservatives originally thought you might be sane. We quickly changed our mind once we saw your inability to change your insanity driven tosspottery.

Belgarion wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 12:57pm: No-one? Some breathtaking stupidity on display here. To claim that a neurological factor is responsible for determining a persons political beliefs is utterly ridiculous.  ::)

I'm sorry, Are you arguing that conservatives are flexible?

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:57pm:

No-one?

Well, Aborigines must be the most inflexible conservatives then - they kept everything totally unchanged for 40,000 years.

The Bbwianesque brain science news is in: "Aborigines had the world's oldest continuously conservative, totally inflexible culture.

Gordon wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 1:17pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 12:57pm: No-one? Cares https://i.ibb.co/25d3qhr/Screenshot-2023-10-16-at-14-16-24-Raw-Story-Bias-and-Credibility.png

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Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 1:19pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:13pm: That is not what the paper says at all. Conservatives find it very hard to change their mind. Not at all. We Conservatives originally thought you might be sane. We quickly changed our mind once we saw your inability to change your insanity driven tosspottery.

Once upon a time leftists were sane most of them have changed Setanta would be an exception. They objected to government making decions that weren't supported by facts protested against censorhip communism etc.

Today they accept lies and misinformation lockdowns vaccine mandates what happened to my body my choice and government over reach as we saw with covid. They call for people to be censored and cancelled if they don't go along with their idiocy and as we saw recently hurl slurs like racist stupid and dickhead to anyone who dares to have a different opinion.

This is why i am no longer a leftist and a proud centrist. :)

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 9:37pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:19pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:13pm: That is not what the paper says at all. Conservatives find it very hard to change their mind. Not at all. We Conservatives originally thought you might be sane. We quickly changed our mind once we saw your inability to change your insanity driven tosspottery. Once upon a time leftists were sane most of them have changed Setanta would be an exception. They objected to government making decions that weren't supported by facts protested against censorhip communism etc. Today they accept lies and misinformation lockdowns vaccine mandates what happened to my body my choice and government over reach as we saw with covid. They call for people to be censored and cancelled if they don't go along with their idiocy and as we saw recently hurl slurs like racist stupid and dickhead to anyone who dares to have a different opinion. This is why i am no longer a leftist and a proud centrist. :)

;D

They've been trying so hard to deflect away from them getting so proved wrong, because they lack the character to admit they are wrong.
Even Peccary starts a Topic about, guess who - Trump/Rape.
He's hoping that Trump will save him and let him squirm away from the fact that he's a sore loser and was caught with his hand in the cookie jar.  ;D

Well…Mothra….. That was a an interesting read, and from a social viewpoint, it puts some people (mainly in my area that are older, more traditional or set in their ways) as what I always thought were hard headed  ;D
Even my own mother… she even had a fridge magnet “My mind’s made up, don’t confuse me with the facts”
I always thought I was too easily swayed as I struggled to make up my mind at times.
My dad was a progressive, my mum a conservative. Hence why they clashed and fought a lot?

I can now see this conservative mind set as a type of security living within their set safe boundaries. Almost like prisoners in their own minds.
My dad would say they were like wombats, walk the same line, sleep in the same hole, and shyte at the same stump.
So I’m a progressive! I always felt adaptability was the way to survive and be more adventurous in life, risk taking, and experience different scenarios, and to learn more and expand the mindset. They say travelling does that… broadens the mind.
It makes sense now, to me, why some I know don’t go further afield and prefer to stay close to their home boundaries. Kind of sad really.

As for voting… seems a lot are like that in Oz, either Libs or Labs! It has bothered me forever why always them 2 parties … now I know….

Its about what is best for society and the individual at the same time. And that does not include Woke agendas like teaching school children to doubt their emerging sexuality.

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the conservative brain is inflexible

Yes the science would seem to be correct, while it has always been obvious at least now we know why.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

That is not what the paper says at all. Conservatives find it very hard to change their mind.

Correct, It does not say that people are conservatives because they have this but that people who are conservative tend to have it more so. There is no claim of causation just a measured fact of existence.

For example: it is possible that it could be causal but just as likely to be later developed as part of being conservative. Like a natural defense to facts which is needed to maintain current conservative beliefs.

This would mean that conservatives with less of this in the current extreme right ideologies would have reacted to the facts by leaving the conservative ranks. It is entirely possible that this is liquid where a decade or more of extreme left activity would reversde the situation.

issuevoter wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 6:54am:

Its about what is best for society and the individual at the same time. And that does not include Woke agendas like teaching school children to doubt their emerging sexuality.

You would have made a sensible post had you left out this rubbish which does not happen.  And that does not include Woke agendas like teaching school children to doubt their emerging sexuality.

That paper proved me wrong,  my theory was that conservatives never had a brain to start with. 

You live and learn (unless you are a conservative)

Jasin wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 10:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 9:37pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:19pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:13pm: That is not what the paper says at all. Conservatives find it very hard to change their mind. Not at all. We Conservatives originally thought you might be sane. We quickly changed our mind once we saw your inability to change your insanity driven tosspottery. Once upon a time leftists were sane most of them have changed Setanta would be an exception. They objected to government making decions that weren't supported by facts protested against censorhip communism etc. Today they accept lies and misinformation lockdowns vaccine mandates what happened to my body my choice and government over reach as we saw with covid. They call for people to be censored and cancelled if they don't go along with their idiocy and as we saw recently hurl slurs like racist stupid and dickhead to anyone who dares to have a different opinion. This is why i am no longer a leftist and a proud centrist. :) ;D They've been trying so hard to deflect away from them getting so proved wrong, because they lack the character to admit they are wrong. Even Peccary starts a Topic about, guess who - Trump/Rape. He's hoping that Trump will save him and let him squirm away from the fact that he's a sore loser and was caught with his hand in the cookie jar.  ;D

Good to see this topic is moving forward in exposing the truth about the dheads from Monk’s Manure Mong who struggle with 1 fried drug brain cell each and every day. 😂🤣😆

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 7:19am:

That paper proved me wrong,  my theory was that conservatives never had a brain to start with.  You live and learn (unless you are a conservative)

I think the jury is still out on that one.

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 7:23am:

Jasin wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 10:19pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 9:37pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:19pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:13pm: That is not what the paper says at all. Conservatives find it very hard to change their mind. Not at all. We Conservatives originally thought you might be sane. We quickly changed our mind once we saw your inability to change your insanity driven tosspottery. Once upon a time leftists were sane most of them have changed Setanta would be an exception. They objected to government making decions that weren't supported by facts protested against censorhip communism etc. Today they accept lies and misinformation lockdowns vaccine mandates what happened to my body my choice and government over reach as we saw with covid. They call for people to be censored and cancelled if they don't go along with their idiocy and as we saw recently hurl slurs like racist stupid and dickhead to anyone who dares to have a different opinion. This is why i am no longer a leftist and a proud centrist. :) ;D They've been trying so hard to deflect away from them getting so proved wrong, because they lack the character to admit they are wrong. Even Peccary starts a Topic about, guess who - Trump/Rape. He's hoping that Trump will save him and let him squirm away from the fact that he's a sore loser and was caught with his hand in the cookie jar.  ;D Good to see this topic is moving forward in exposing the truth about the dheads from Monk’s Manure Mong who struggle with 1 fried drug brain cell each and every day. 😂🤣😆

Ooops...I forgot the alcohol fried brain cell left trapped in the forum’s 80 yr old Drunk. We mustn’t forget THAT turd. 😂🤣😆

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 7:26am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 17th, 2023 at 7:23am: Jasin wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 10:19pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 9:37pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:19pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:13pm: That is not what the paper says at all. Conservatives find it very hard to change their mind. Not at all. We Conservatives originally thought you might be sane. We quickly changed our mind once we saw your inability to change your insanity driven tosspottery. Once upon a time leftists were sane most of them have changed Setanta would be an exception. They objected to government making decions that weren't supported by facts protested against censorhip communism etc. Today they accept lies and misinformation lockdowns vaccine mandates what happened to my body my choice and government over reach as we saw with covid. They call for people to be censored and cancelled if they don't go along with their idiocy and as we saw recently hurl slurs like racist stupid and dickhead to anyone who dares to have a different opinion. This is why i am no longer a leftist and a proud centrist. :) ;D They've been trying so hard to deflect away from them getting so proved wrong, because they lack the character to admit they are wrong. Even Peccary starts a Topic about, guess who - Trump/Rape. He's hoping that Trump will save him and let him squirm away from the fact that he's a sore loser and was caught with his hand in the cookie jar.  ;D Good to see this topic is moving forward in exposing the truth about the dheads from Monk’s Manure Mong who struggle with 1 fried drug brain cell each and every day. 😂🤣😆 Ooops...I forgot the alcohol fried brain cell left trapped in the forum’s 80 yr old Drunk. We mustn’t forget THAT turd. 😂🤣😆

When someone starts with the name calling in a new topic…. Is that derailing?
Because then one will be promoted to respond in kind and off it goes in a different (yet same stale) direction.

Is that conservative? Can conservative also mean predictable?

Jasin wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 10:19pm:

They've been trying so hard to deflect away from them getting so proved wrong, because they lack the character to admit they are wrong. Even Peccary starts a Topic about, guess who - Trump/Rape. He's hoping that Trump will save him and let him squirm away from the fact that he's a sore loser and was caught with his hand in the cookie jar.  ;D

Dumb claim, so many on the left were predicting the no vote and openly revealing that they were thinking of voting no. I don't recall hardly anyone claiming the yes vote would win.


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starts a Topic about, guess who - Trump/Rape.

You may have noticed that there are more than one topic discussed at a time ? Yes Trump was found guilty of rape.

Starting a different valid topic isn't deflecting.

Sophia wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 7:48am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 17th, 2023 at 7:26am: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 17th, 2023 at 7:23am: Jasin wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 10:19pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 9:37pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:19pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:13pm: That is not what the paper says at all. Conservatives find it very hard to change their mind. Not at all. We Conservatives originally thought you might be sane. We quickly changed our mind once we saw your inability to change your insanity driven tosspottery. Once upon a time leftists were sane most of them have changed Setanta would be an exception. They objected to government making decions that weren't supported by facts protested against censorhip communism etc. Today they accept lies and misinformation lockdowns vaccine mandates what happened to my body my choice and government over reach as we saw with covid. They call for people to be censored and cancelled if they don't go along with their idiocy and as we saw recently hurl slurs like racist stupid and dickhead to anyone who dares to have a different opinion. This is why i am no longer a leftist and a proud centrist. :) ;D They've been trying so hard to deflect away from them getting so proved wrong, because they lack the character to admit they are wrong. Even Peccary starts a Topic about, guess who - Trump/Rape. He's hoping that Trump will save him and let him squirm away from the fact that he's a sore loser and was caught with his hand in the cookie jar.  ;D Good to see this topic is moving forward in exposing the truth about the dheads from Monk’s Manure Mong who struggle with 1 fried drug brain cell each and every day. 😂🤣😆 Ooops...I forgot the alcohol fried brain cell left trapped in the forum’s 80 yr old Drunk. We mustn’t forget THAT turd. 😂🤣😆 When someone starts with the name calling in a new topic…. Is that derailing? Because then one will be promoted to respond in kind and off it goes in a different (yet same stale) direction. Is that conservative? Can conservative also mean predictable?

This topic was initiated by a Manic Methra Mong in order to deflect attention away from the catastrophic loss in the recent Voice Referendum. That’s all it is. A deflection topic. It isn’t even a real topic.

On topic again…. I wanted to find out more about the findings of the nature of conservatives and progressives re: coping abilities with depression, sudden changes in life (death in family, separation/divorce, house destroyed in flood or fire etc) and who would fare better out of progressives and conservatives?
Having said my mother is conservative and father is progressive, yet they both survived so many battles, war, poverty, tragedy, etc it makes me think there is something more to just 2 labels.

What makes some people have better survival instincts in tougher life situations and some commit suicide over simpler things?

I can see how 2 labels of progressives and conservatives are within politics/voting.
Re: mention of learning music in op’s topic….it’s likened to learning a new language.
It’s more impressionable and with younger minds, as I used to teach classical music (piano) I found younger students did very well understanding it with not too many questions.
Adults that always wanted to learn a musical instrument were not as impressionable and they found it harder to make room in their weekly time schedule to practice what they learnt at the lesson.
Sadly they eventually give up.
As one ages, one has to have a lot of passion, determination and focus to make changes in life if they really want to follow a desire such as learning a new skill.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 7:53am:

Jasin wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 10:19pm: They've been trying so hard to deflect away from them getting so proved wrong, because they lack the character to admit they are wrong. Even Peccary starts a Topic about, guess who - Trump/Rape. He's hoping that Trump will save him and let him squirm away from the fact that he's a sore loser and was caught with his hand in the cookie jar.  ;D Dumb claim, so many on the left were predicting the no vote and openly revealing that they were thinking of voting no. I don't recall hardly anyone claiming the yes vote would win. Quote: starts a Topic about, guess who - Trump/Rape. You may have noticed that there are more than one topic discussed at a time ? Yes Trump was found guilty of rape. Starting a different valid topic isn't deflecting.

Thinking about Trump I often admired his determination and self belief and how he can face so much thrown at him! Now I wonder if that is the mind of a type of psychopath or conservative?
He refuses to believe or accept whatever doesn’t suit his selfish beliefs?

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 7:57am:

Sophia wrote on Oct 17th, 2023 at 7:48am: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 17th, 2023 at 7:26am: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 17th, 2023 at 7:23am: Jasin wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 10:19pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 9:37pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:19pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:13pm: That is not what the paper says at all. Conservatives find it very hard to change their mind. Not at all. We Conservatives originally thought you might be sane. We quickly changed our mind once we saw your inability to change your insanity driven tosspottery. Once upon a time leftists were sane most of them have changed Setanta would be an exception. They objected to government making decions that weren't supported by facts protested against censorhip communism etc. Today they accept lies and misinformation lockdowns vaccine mandates what happened to my body my choice and government over reach as we saw with covid. They call for people to be censored and cancelled if they don't go along with their idiocy and as we saw recently hurl slurs like racist stupid and dickhead to anyone who dares to have a different opinion. This is why i am no longer a leftist and a proud centrist. :) ;D They've been trying so hard to deflect away from them getting so proved wrong, because they lack the character to admit they are wrong. Even Peccary starts a Topic about, guess who - Trump/Rape. He's hoping that Trump will save him and let him squirm away from the fact that he's a sore loser and was caught with his hand in the cookie jar.  ;D Good to see this topic is moving forward in exposing the truth about the dheads from Monk’s Manure Mong who struggle with 1 fried drug brain cell each and every day. 😂🤣😆 Ooops...I forgot the alcohol fried brain cell left trapped in the forum’s 80 yr old Drunk. We mustn’t forget THAT turd. 😂🤣😆 When someone starts with the name calling in a new topic…. Is that derailing? Because then one will be promoted to respond in kind and off it goes in a different (yet same stale) direction. Is that conservative? Can conservative also mean predictable? This topic was initiated by a Manic Methra Mong in order to deflect attention away from the catastrophic loss in the recent Voice Referendum. That’s all it is. A deflection topic. It isn’t even a real topic.

There’s no deflection from the fact the majority voted No in the recent referendum conservatives or progressives.
It’s common sense more so.

Anyone that says what it was supposed to be with a yes vote is only imagining what they hope it would be.
Many saw it as an unknown quantity.
If it went ahead and money laundered in ways that would shock… we would simply be told “but you voted yes as in forever!”

Getting a yes vote out of emotions to then say once we get the yes vote then they make up the rules to their whims and wants… is a very unpredictable situation.
It would be too late to reverse it and quite frankly, the sore loser attitude and vengeful attitudes are not pleasant. Different threatening shades of grey there!

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 9:37pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:19pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:13pm: That is not what the paper says at all. Conservatives find it very hard to change their mind. Not at all. We Conservatives originally thought you might be sane. We quickly changed our mind once we saw your inability to change your insanity driven tosspottery. Once upon a time leftists were sane most of them have changed Setanta would be an exception. They objected to government making decions that weren't supported by facts protested against censorhip communism etc. Today they accept lies and misinformation lockdowns vaccine mandates what happened to my body my choice and government over reach as we saw with covid. They call for people to be censored and cancelled if they don't go along with their idiocy and as we saw recently hurl slurs like racist stupid and dickhead to anyone who dares to have a different opinion. This is why i am no longer a leftist and a proud centrist. :)

That's been going on since(70 yrs ago) the mandating by local govts & states to fluoridate(with toxic industrial waste) public water supplies.

Do you live in a city with fluoridated water?

If you do then don't whinge about vaccine programs/mandates.

Other than that I can concur with your thoughts.

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

Persuading the conservatives intending to vote for Trump is not about convincing them with logic; it is about understanding and navigating their innate preference for stability and tradition. By recognizing the inherent gravitation toward consistency, we see that the presentation of facts or data might not be the most persuasive tool. Effective persuasion demands an approach that's strategically empathetic. Rather than challenging the core of their beliefs head-on, it’s far more effective to frame arguments in a way that resonates with their intrinsic values — stability, tradition and consistency. Narratives and stories that weave in those facts that resonate with their core values will be more compelling. Presenting change not as a rupture, but as a natural evolution of the existing order, can be a more palatable and effective narrative. To truly sway Republican voters, we must employ more than just arguments. It demands a properly balanced mix of genuine empathy, clever communication strategy and a basic grasp of the neurocognitive biases shaping their perspectives. In the end, the outcome of the election may well hinge on our ability to navigate the cognitive labyrinth of the conservative mind." https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/brain-of-a-trump-supporter/?utm_source=superhead

More tears & lashing out because of the referendum result?  ;D

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 7:05am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:13pm: That is not what the paper says at all. Conservatives find it very hard to change their mind. Correct, It does not say that people are conservatives because they have this but that people who are conservative tend to have it more so. There is no claim of causation just a measured fact of existence. For example: it is possible that it could be causal but just as likely to be later developed as part of being conservative. Like a natural defense to facts which is needed to maintain current conservative beliefs. This would mean that conservatives with less of this in the current extreme right ideologies would have reacted to the facts by leaving the conservative ranks. It is entirely possible that this is liquid where a decade or more of extreme left activity would reversde the situation.

My father was a dyed in the wool conservative.

The workplace changed me from being conservative ..... but the left(Labor) has gone way left & far too progressive & I'm more in the middle, a bit of both depending on the subject.

A good mates old man who was a builder si a strict Catholic & a LABOR supporter no matter what.

Most builders/tradies/businessmen I know are conservative voters.

So I think the article posted is a crock of shyte.

Conservatism is highly dependent on the personality trait of conscientiousness; its subcategories being: self-efficacy, dutifulness, orderliness, achievement striving and self-discipline.

A liberal mindset is highly dependent on the personality trait of openness; its subcategories being: imaginative, emotional, aesthetic, adventurous and intellectually curious.

The degree to which you tend towards the personality traits of conscientiousness and openness is the degree to which you are likely to be respectively conservative or liberal.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 9:44am:

Conservatism is highly dependent on the personality trait of conscientiousness; its subcategories being: self-efficacy, dutifulness, orderliness, achievement striving and self-discipline. A liberal mindset is highly dependent on the personality trait of openness; its subcategories being: imaginative, emotional, aesthetic, adventurous and intellectually curious. The degree to which you tend towards the personality traits of conscientiousness and openness is the degree to which you are likely to be respectively conservative or liberal.

What a load of nonsense.

Frank wrote on Oct 20^th, 2023 at 4:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 17th, 2023 at 9:44am: Conservatism is highly dependent on the personality trait of conscientiousness; its subcategories being: self-efficacy, dutifulness, orderliness, achievement striving and self-discipline. A liberal mindset is highly dependent on the personality trait of openness; its subcategories being: imaginative, emotional, aesthetic, adventurous and intellectually curious. The degree to which you tend towards the personality traits of conscientiousness and openness is the degree to which you are likely to be respectively conservative or liberal. What a load of nonsense.

Two of the OCEAN traits - namely Conscientiousness and Openness have been associated with a tendency towards conservatism and liberalism respectively for years.

that must be why lefties cant get anything done

too unfocused

always going after the next little hit of dopamine from virtue signalling

me too
climate change
BLM
george floyd
get the vax
lockdowns
mask mandates
trans in sports
welcome to country
the voice
ukraine
palestine
fat acceptance
rape culture
trump derangement

so very much "busy' work signalling to other lefties about your strong opinions


the rightie tends to be more on point

build a business
build a family
be present to the moment
solve the problem in front of you

sure its not as sexy or gratifying as leftie nonsense

but the left show

no execution
no discipline
no outcomes


science has proven the leftie to have the attention span of a gnat .
this is why he goes to the grave having done nothing risked nothing and achieved nothing

how ugly  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2023 at 4:56pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 4:53pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 17th, 2023 at 9:44am: Conservatism is highly dependent on the personality trait of conscientiousness; its subcategories being: self-efficacy, dutifulness, orderliness, achievement striving and self-discipline. A liberal mindset is highly dependent on the personality trait of openness; its subcategories being: imaginative, emotional, aesthetic, adventurous and intellectually curious. The degree to which you tend towards the personality traits of conscientiousness and openness is the degree to which you are likely to be respectively conservative or liberal. What a load of nonsense. Two of the OCEAN traits - namely Conscientiousness and Openness have been associated with a tendency towards conservatism and liberalism respectively for years.

Nonsense. Bollocks on stilts.


[Ill-defined abstract psychological concept] and [Ill-defined abstract psychological concept] have been associated with a tendency - geddit? associated with a tendency - towards [Ill-defined political concept] and [Ill-defined political concept] for years.


Social 'science'- dontcha love it?

Moving on to how conscientiousness correlates with political orientation,
the higher the levels of trait conscientious present in an individual, the more likely they will be conservative (Gerber, et al., 2011).

the higher you are in trait openness, the higher the probability that you identify as a liberal on a binary political spectrum (Gerber et al., 2011).

https://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1109&context=tdr

The most consistent findings from this line of research are an association between Openness to Experience and liberalism and between Conscientiousness and conservatism

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-polisci-051010-111659

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2023 at 5:52pm:

Moving on to how conscientiousness correlates with political orientation, the higher the levels of trait conscientious present in an individual, the more likely they will be conservative (Gerber, et al., 2011). the higher you are in trait openness, the higher the probability that you identify as a liberal on a binary political spectrum (Gerber et al., 2011). https://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1109&context=tdr The most consistent findings from this line of research are an association between Openness to Experience and liberalism and between Conscientiousness and conservatism https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-polisci-051010-111659

that would explain why the right lift and the left lean  :o :o

Soon the Lefties will be resorting to Astrology.  ;D
Waleed Aly is now using 'intuition' as his excuse to blame all, but himself yet again.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2023 at 5:52pm:

Moving on to how conscientiousness correlates with political orientation, the higher the levels of trait conscientious present in an individual, the more likely they will be conservative (Gerber, et al., 2011). the higher you are in trait openness, the higher the probability that you identify as a liberal on a binary political spectrum (Gerber et al., 2011). https://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1109&context=tdr The most consistent findings from this line of research are an association between Openness to Experience and liberalism and between Conscientiousness and conservatism https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-polisci-051010-111659

Gerber, Gerber and... er.... Gerber.  That's enough Gerber.

funny stuff. 'progressives' can be very inflexible. they have a handful of ideals, beliefs etc and hold on to them for dear life.

the labels of progressive and conservative are outdated anyway, given that what means to be one of them changes every few decades.

a better contrast is emotionalism and rationalism.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2023 at 4:56pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 4:53pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 17th, 2023 at 9:44am: Conservatism is highly dependent on the personality trait of conscientiousness; its subcategories being: self-efficacy, dutifulness, orderliness, achievement striving and self-discipline. A liberal mindset is highly dependent on the personality trait of openness; its subcategories being: imaginative, emotional, aesthetic, adventurous and intellectually curious. The degree to which you tend towards the personality traits of conscientiousness and openness is the degree to which you are likely to be respectively conservative or liberal. What a load of nonsense. Two of the OCEAN traits - namely Conscientiousness and Openness have been associated with a tendency towards conservatism and liberalism respectively for years.

The 't' word there says it in a nutshell.... it's an assumed tendency.... a theory untested ... read carefully what these 'studies' say...

Gnads wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 9:25am:

mothra wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 12:15pm: Persuading the conservatives intending to vote for Trump is not about convincing them with logic; it is about understanding and navigating their innate preference for stability and tradition. By recognizing the inherent gravitation toward consistency, we see that the presentation of facts or data might not be the most persuasive tool. Effective persuasion demands an approach that's strategically empathetic. Rather than challenging the core of their beliefs head-on, it’s far more effective to frame arguments in a way that resonates with their intrinsic values — stability, tradition and consistency. Narratives and stories that weave in those facts that resonate with their core values will be more compelling. Presenting change not as a rupture, but as a natural evolution of the existing order, can be a more palatable and effective narrative. To truly sway Republican voters, we must employ more than just arguments. It demands a properly balanced mix of genuine empathy, clever communication strategy and a basic grasp of the neurocognitive biases shaping their perspectives. In the end, the outcome of the election may well hinge on our ability to navigate the cognitive labyrinth of the conservative mind." https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/brain-of-a-trump-supporter/?utm_source=superhead More tears & lashing out because of the referendum result?  ;D

What do Trump voters have to do with the referendum  :D

They really ARE crying even tho winning the referendum, aren’t they? Maybe they are a bit ashamed of themselves? Can’t think of anything else to explain the crying.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 21^st, 2023 at 6:40am:

They really ARE crying even tho winning the referendum, aren’t they? Maybe they are a bit ashamed of themselves? Can’t think of anything else to explain the crying.

Not at all.

We’re laughing so much AT you idiots who voted YES AND LOST. We’re STILL laughing in fact. Has that bungling boomer Albo stopped crying though?

No, you idiots are definitely crying.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 21^st, 2023 at 6:40am:

They really ARE crying even tho winning the referendum, aren’t they? Maybe they are a bit ashamed of themselves? Can’t think of anything else to explain the crying.

Just imagine the tears if they'd lost

I've heard of a sore loser before but this is the first time I've seen a  sore winner ::)

Weird, eh?

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 21^st, 2023 at 6:40am:

They really ARE crying even tho winning the referendum, aren’t they? Maybe they are a bit ashamed of themselves? Can’t think of anything else to explain the crying.

Happy with the No decision, but very angry about the paedophile enabling dummy spit by the government.

Belgarion wrote on Oct 21^st, 2023 at 8:54am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 21st, 2023 at 6:40am: They really ARE crying even tho winning the referendum, aren’t they? Maybe they are a bit ashamed of themselves? Can’t think of anything else to explain the crying. Happy with the No decision, but very angry about the paedophile enabling dummy spit by the government.

Your tears bring me such joy

John Smith wrote on Oct 21^st, 2023 at 9:33am:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 21st, 2023 at 8:54am: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 21st, 2023 at 6:40am: They really ARE crying even tho winning the referendum, aren’t they? Maybe they are a bit ashamed of themselves? Can’t think of anything else to explain the crying. Happy with the No decision, but very angry about the paedophile enabling dummy spit by the government. Your tears bring me such joy

The enabling of paedophiles brings you joy?

Belgarion wrote on Oct 21^st, 2023 at 10:34am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 21st, 2023 at 9:33am: Belgarion wrote on Oct 21st, 2023 at 8:54am: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 21st, 2023 at 6:40am: They really ARE crying even tho winning the referendum, aren’t they? Maybe they are a bit ashamed of themselves? Can’t think of anything else to explain the crying. Happy with the No decision, but very angry about the paedophile enabling dummy spit by the government. Your tears bring me such joy The enabling of paedophiles brings you joy?

You realise that I don't frequent the same websites you do, right?

Certainly weird when sensible people who won the vote are now demanding real action and the losers are desperately trying everything to stop them - including endless mindless ranting about 'sore winners'...

Clearly these demented types do not want real solutions - must be money in it for them somewhere - that they've missed out on by losing.  Must be Abo claimants on the borderline expecting the Gold Rush Cargo cult that didn't arrive ..

You lost, princesses - suck it up................

Now - for those REAL solutions.... why would any government block those?  Well - clearly so they can point fingers and say the NO vote didn't do anything for the Cheers, so they're forced to do the same things their way - follow their laid down agenda - without the approval of the ordinary people who said a resounding NO.

Oh - lookee here!  We didn't win the nonsense that would do nothing for the average Cheer, and we've blocked all attempts to install positive solutions - so nothing has changed for the suffering Cheers out there!  Must be the fault of the NO vote, eh?

Now you can clearly see their way of not thinking - cunning yes - smart, NO - that's why they lost...

Suck it up princesses and get on with the real job you are paid to do .... or you'll force us to elect Voldemort .. that should frighten you..   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Oct 21^st, 2023 at 12:24pm:

Certainly weird when sensible people who won the vote are now demanding real action and the losers are desperately trying everything to stop them - including endless mindless ranting about 'sore winners'... Clearly these demented types do not want real solutions - must be money in it for them somewhere - that they've missed out on by losing.  Must be Abo claimants on the borderline expecting the Gold Rush Cargo cult that didn't arrive .. You lost, princesses - suck it up................ Now - for those REAL solutions.... why would any government block those?  Well - clearly so they can point fingers and say the NO vote didn't do anything for the Cheers, so they're forced to do the same things their way - follow their laid down agenda - without the approval of the ordinary people who said a resounding NO. Oh - lookee here!  We didn't win the nonsense that would do nothing for the average Cheer, and we've blocked all attempts to install positive solutions - so nothing has changed for the suffering Cheers out there!  Must be the fault of the NO vote, eh? Now you can clearly see their way of not thinking - cunning yes - smart, NO - that's why they lost... Suck it up princesses and get on with the real job you are paid to do .... or you'll force us to elect Voldemort .. that should frighten you..   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Indeed. We won't do anything for you and will blame it on the NO vote. Doesn't matter how many kids are raped and how much money is stolen, we will have our revenge!

Belgarion wrote on Oct 21^st, 2023 at 10:34am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 21st, 2023 at 9:33am: Belgarion wrote on Oct 21st, 2023 at 8:54am: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 21st, 2023 at 6:40am: They really ARE crying even tho winning the referendum, aren’t they? Maybe they are a bit ashamed of themselves? Can’t think of anything else to explain the crying. Happy with the No decision, but very angry about the paedophile enabling dummy spit by the government. Your tears bring me such joy The enabling of paedophiles brings you joy?

That’s what Frodo has just inferred. 😔🥺😩

This study tested the notion of ideological asymmetry, which proposes that conservatives are more prejudiced than liberals. It involved 682 self-identified conservative (n = 383) and liberal (n = 299) perceivers (MTurk workers; 54% female) who evaluated a target person’s professional attributes, personal character, and job suitability based on the target’s social media posts. The results did not support ideological asymmetry as both conservative and liberal participants negatively evaluated an ideologically opposite target. Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. This study better supports a worldview conflict hypothesis, an alternative to ideological asymmetry, with both sides showing indirect aggression in an apolitical setting.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/figure/10.1080/00224545.2024.2316619

Frank wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 10:07am:

Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives.

Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives. Your point?

John Smith wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 1:17pm:

Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 10:07am: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives. Your point?

:D

My point??

Firstly, bias doesn't mean what you think it means, thick as concrete son of the semi-literate masses.

It's all bulldust

Non-touring conscripts are still waiting to get a Gold Card from the "flexible" and "changing their minds" progressive leftwing Labor government

It's been 60 years, and still nothing ... that's not what I call being flexible, empathetic, and changing their minds

Progressive radical Labor has been in how many times?, five times? ... Whitlam, Hawke, Keating, Rudd, Gillard, and now Squeaky ... that's six, and still nothing for non-touring conscripts - go to hell you superior ideological leftwing creeps, your time is coming

Belgarion wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 12:57pm: No-one? Some breathtaking stupidity on display here. To claim that a neurological factor is responsible for determining a persons political beliefs is utterly ridiculous.  ::)

It's right up there with typical Media/Medical 'psychobabble' like the Left and Right brain when both have to work and process both sides 'together' to work. It's been proven.
Then there's that psychobabble of Alpha, Beta, Sigma and all the rest - people which is looking like Science-Psycho 'Tarot Card' readings.  ;D

A liberal's brain might be just as stubborn to change as a conservative. I have watched too many youtube videos of both sides of the argument.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 3:57pm:

A liberal's brain might be just as stubborn to change as a conservative. I have watched too many youtube videos of both sides of the argument, to say it is a problem for both groups.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 3:58pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 3:57pm: A liberal's brain might be just as stubborn to change as a conservative. I have watched too many youtube videos of both sides of the argument, to say it is a problem for both groups.

Perfectly said.... the conservative minded liberal is worse - they play the emotion game as well......  think of the poor suffering Abestinians, women, ethnics, immigrants, Mussos and so forth - every one of them doing it hard in Australia the Dumb!! ...

https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/rofling.gif

Frank wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 3:08pm:

John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 1:17pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 10:07am: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives. Your point? :D My point?? Firstly, bias doesn't mean what you think it means, thick as concrete son of the semi-literate masses.

So you don't know what point you were trying to make either? Ok  ::)

Don't be so inflexible in your liberalsplaining, John-o ...  8-)

John Smith wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 5:53pm:

Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 3:08pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 1:17pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 10:07am: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives. Your point? :D My point?? Firstly, bias doesn't mean what you think it means, thick as concrete son of the semi-literate masses. So you don't know what point you were trying to make either? Ok  ::)

It was highlighted, thick as mince son of toil.


Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives.


And then, being the thicko you are, you promptly misunderstood the word 'Bias' and came out knuckle dragging as usual.

Frank wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 6:57pm:

John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 5:53pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 3:08pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 1:17pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 10:07am: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives. Your point? :D My point?? Firstly, bias doesn't mean what you think it means, thick as concrete son of the semi-literate masses. So you don't know what point you were trying to make either? Ok  ::) It was highlighted, thick as mince son of toil. Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. And then, being the thicko you are, you promptly misunderstood the word 'Bias' and came out knuckle dragging as usual.

You really are as dumb as dogshit you know that? Telling me what I think isn't an answer.  Not now,  not ever.  That you obfuscate over your point highlights how pointless your comment really was.

You're a Moron and Troll Smith. ::)

There is merit in what you say .........

John Smith wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 8:10pm:

Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 6:57pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 5:53pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 3:08pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 1:17pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 10:07am: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives. Your point? :D My point?? Firstly, bias doesn't mean what you think it means, thick as concrete son of the semi-literate masses. So you don't know what point you were trying to make either? Ok  ::) It was highlighted, thick as mince son of toil. Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. And then, being the thicko you are, you promptly misunderstood the word 'Bias' and came out knuckle dragging as usual. You really are as dumb as dogshit you know that? Telling me what I think isn't an answer.  Not now,  not ever.  That you obfuscate over your point highlights how pointless your comment really was.

The point was highlighted, thick as gutter mud bozo.
Then repeated.
You still miss it, stupid ratbags.

Frank wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 8:42pm:

John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 8:10pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 6:57pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 5:53pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 3:08pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 1:17pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 10:07am: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives. Your point? :D My point?? Firstly, bias doesn't mean what you think it means, thick as concrete son of the semi-literate masses. So you don't know what point you were trying to make either? Ok  ::) It was highlighted, thick as mince son of toil. Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. And then, being the thicko you are, you promptly misunderstood the word 'Bias' and came out knuckle dragging as usual. You really are as dumb as dogshit you know that? Telling me what I think isn't an answer.  Not now,  not ever.  That you obfuscate over your point highlights how pointless your comment really was. The point was highlighted, thick as gutter mud bozo. Then repeated. You still miss it, stupid ratbags.

You're really struggling aren't you?  ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 8:10pm:

Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 6:57pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 5:53pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 3:08pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 1:17pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 10:07am: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives. Your point? :D My point?? Firstly, bias doesn't mean what you think it means, thick as concrete son of the semi-literate masses. So you don't know what point you were trying to make either? Ok  ::) It was highlighted, thick as mince son of toil. Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. And then, being the thicko you are, you promptly misunderstood the word 'Bias' and came out knuckle dragging as usual. You really are as dumb as dogshit you know that? Telling me what I think isn't an answer.  Not now,  not ever.  That you obfuscate over your point highlights how pointless your comment really was.

N Furta tells everyone what they think, His odds are about the same as the monkey writing shakespeare.

John Smith wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 8:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 8:42pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 8:10pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 6:57pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 5:53pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 3:08pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 1:17pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 10:07am: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives. Your point? :D My point?? Firstly, bias doesn't mean what you think it means, thick as concrete son of the semi-literate masses. So you don't know what point you were trying to make either? Ok  ::) It was highlighted, thick as mince son of toil. Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. And then, being the thicko you are, you promptly misunderstood the word 'Bias' and came out knuckle dragging as usual. You really are as dumb as dogshit you know that? Telling me what I think isn't an answer.  Not now,  not ever.  That you obfuscate over your point highlights how pointless your comment really was. The point was highlighted, thick as gutter mud bozo. Then repeated. You still miss it, stupid ratbags. You're really struggling aren't you?  ;D ;D

I didn't tell you what you "think", thicko. I told you you misunderstand basic words like bias.
You also miss the point of a short paragraph even when it is highlighted and then repeated for you.  So don't overestimate yourself - you do not 'think'. You are a thick, incomprehending, semi literate ratbag.

Here, word of the day for you, see if you comprehend it:

Bias
Systematic distortion of results or findings from the true state of affairs, or any of several varieties of processes leading to systematic distortion. In everyday usage, “bias” often implies the presence of emotional and/or political prejudices that influence conclusions and decisions.


So the point again, now with an explanation of bias:

Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives.



Do you still 'think' it means more  biased towards facts, as you idiotically said?



John Smith wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 1:17pm:

Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 10:07am: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives. Your point?

Ooooh - this is getting dirty tonight....

Frank wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 9:30pm:

John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 8:50pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 8:42pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 8:10pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 6:57pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 5:53pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 3:08pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 1:17pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 10:07am: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives. Your point? :D My point?? Firstly, bias doesn't mean what you think it means, thick as concrete son of the semi-literate masses. So you don't know what point you were trying to make either? Ok  ::) It was highlighted, thick as mince son of toil. Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. And then, being the thicko you are, you promptly misunderstood the word 'Bias' and came out knuckle dragging as usual. You really are as dumb as dogshit you know that? Telling me what I think isn't an answer.  Not now,  not ever.  That you obfuscate over your point highlights how pointless your comment really was. The point was highlighted, thick as gutter mud bozo. Then repeated. You still miss it, stupid ratbags. You're really struggling aren't you?  ;D ;D I didn't tell you what you "think", thicko. I told you you misunderstand basic words like bias. You also miss the point of a short paragraph even when it is highlighted and then repeated for you.  So don't overestimate yourself - you do not 'think'. You are a thick, incomprehending, semi literate ratbag. Here, word of the day for you, see if you comprehend it: Bias Systematic distortion of results or findings from the true state of affairs, or any of several varieties of processes leading to systematic distortion. In everyday usage, “bias” often implies the presence of emotional and/or political prejudices that influence conclusions and decisions. So the point again, now with an explanation of bias: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Do you still 'think' it means more  biased towards facts, as you idiotically said? John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 1:17pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 10:07am: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives. Your point?

You really are a dumbarse  you know that.  And you're determined to keep proving it. You did tell me what I think when you said  bias doesn't mean what  I THINK  it means. How the farkk would you know what i think it means?  :D
I know full well what bias means you cretin of all cretins. 

And you pretend to have a university degree.  Fmd what hope is there .  :D

By the way dogshit, why didn't you put up the full definition of bias instead of selectively quoting   :D :D


Like I said,  you're as dumb as dogshit  ;D

Ah, yes - the old science of voodoo guesswork, eh?

If we take the square root of the round circle of data, and view it through a prismatic lens heated to the level of feverish brain activity, we see clearly, through a micronoscope of coloured lenses over our eyes, that the entire structure falls into the pattern of a web of deceit.... as such a ready market is available for selling such cock to the world as it currently stands ... we'll make a fortune and you will become the first professor of social voodoo!!!

Quote:

conservative brain is inflexible

The right Conservative compared to the left progressive is more or less defined in their names. Conservative is naturally less flexible to change than are progressives by nature.

Saying conservatives are less flexible is hardly an insult when they advertise the fact up front and proudly trade on it as a primary characteristic.

Don't fiddle with the controls when you have a slight rudder heaviness... just fly the plane and get it back on the ground.  Don't try to fix what ain't broke - look at what the 'liberal' social sciences have done to us all so far.....

I don't consider myself in either camp - as the Rabbi said - thank you god for making me different .... and I have yet to see a social science controlled experiment actually work out without 'unexpected outcomes' that are often disastrous to many.

https://i.imgflip.com/8pe61k.jpg

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

........   A seminal study by social psychologist David Amodio and colleagues at New York University suggests that the typical conservative is not likely to be convinced by something as simple as a logically persuasive argument. For some conservatives, it's like asking them to change the color of their eyes. A progressive worldview cannot pierce their psyche because being dogmatic is programmed into the fabric of that worldview. It is not just that they are “stubborn”; their brains are actually wired to resist things that are new and different. So, you could say they lack “free will” when it comes to their voting decision. When we speak of free will in a modern sense, we are talking about the personal agency that enables one to override ingrained biases and consider alternative perspectives. .........

yes, this has been my experience with 'conservative' americans

https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/why-trump-supporters-brains/

https://www.nature.com/articles/nn1979

"mothra wrote" ........ well - that should be a penetrating look into the human psyche - or one of them anyway .....  :-?

Sarcasm may have BEEN the lowest for of wit - but they hadn't met me then .... oh, sprint - there are all those words in that 'study' again - "suggests"  (ROFL) ... "likely"  (ROFL) ... the rest is just entrenched bias horse poo.... herh, herh - I'VE got the study - I make the rules... herh, herh....

You need to be more careful when shaving your cyclist legs for comp ....

For the Lost (Who Cries For The Lost?) - this is the horse spit component (most of that blurb):-

"For some conservatives, it's like asking them to change the color of their eyes.
A progressive worldview cannot pierce their psyche because being dogmatic is programmed into the fabric of that worldview.
It is not just that they are “stubborn”; their brains are actually wired to resist things that are new and different.
So, you could say they lack “free will” when it comes to their voting decision.
When we speak of free will in a modern sense, we are talking about the personal agency that enables one to override ingrained biases and consider alternative perspectives."

Talk about guilty by their own mouths.....

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John Smith wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 10:09pm:

Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 9:30pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 8:50pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 8:42pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 8:10pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 6:57pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 5:53pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 3:08pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 1:17pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 10:07am: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives. Your point? :D My point?? Firstly, bias doesn't mean what you think it means, thick as concrete son of the semi-literate masses. So you don't know what point you were trying to make either? Ok  ::) It was highlighted, thick as mince son of toil. Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. And then, being the thicko you are, you promptly misunderstood the word 'Bias' and came out knuckle dragging as usual. You really are as dumb as dogshit you know that? Telling me what I think isn't an answer.  Not now,  not ever.  That you obfuscate over your point highlights how pointless your comment really was. The point was highlighted, thick as gutter mud bozo. Then repeated. You still miss it, stupid ratbags. You're really struggling aren't you?  ;D ;D I didn't tell you what you "think", thicko. I told you you misunderstand basic words like bias. You also miss the point of a short paragraph even when it is highlighted and then repeated for you.  So don't overestimate yourself - you do not 'think'. You are a thick, incomprehending, semi literate ratbag. Here, word of the day for you, see if you comprehend it: Bias Systematic distortion of results or findings from the true state of affairs, or any of several varieties of processes leading to systematic distortion. In everyday usage, “bias” often implies the presence of emotional and/or political prejudices that influence conclusions and decisions. So the point again, now with an explanation of bias: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Do you still 'think' it means more  biased towards facts, as you idiotically said? John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 1:17pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 10:07am: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives. Your point? You really are a dumbarse  you know that.  And you're determined to keep proving it. You did tell me what I think when you said  bias doesn't mean what  I THINK  it means. How the farkk would you know what i think it means?  :D I know full well what bias means you cretin of all cretins.  And you pretend to have a university degree.  Fmd what hope is there .  :D

Of course you don't  know what it means, thicko. You have been caught out again as a moronic half-wit who shoots off at the mouth without even a tenuous grasp of what you are responding to.

You: "Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives."

Biased=Systematic distortion of results or findings from the true state of affairs.

More facts is NOT a systematic distortion, you thick as mince ratbags.

Dnarever wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 12:02am:

Quote: conservative brain is inflexible The right Conservative compared to the left progressive is more or less defined in their names. Conservative is naturally less flexible to change than are progressives by nature. Saying conservatives are less flexible is hardly an insult when they advertise the fact up front and proudly trade on it as a primary characteristic.

;D ;D

Reality, duckwit, demonstrates the exact opposite. All the 'progressive" socialist states of Eastern Europe crashed while 'conservative' capitalist countries flourish.

Conservative doesn't mean stagnant, monolithic. Loking after your garden, your house, your family is conservative.
Concreting your garden, neglecting your house, abandoning your family for a folly is progressive.

Belgarion wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 1:18pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:13pm: That is not what the paper says at all. Conservatives find it very hard to change their mind. That's exactly what it says:......Conservatives, on the other hand, exhibited a smaller ERN. This suggests that their cognitive system is more resistant to signals advocating for change or reconsideration. We can think of this as a neural reflection of their preference for stability, tradition and consistency. The typical conservative voter’s mental landscape, sculpted by a combination of genetics and indoctrinating experiences, values the familiar and reliable. Established norms and long-held beliefs provide a safe harbor in the face of a changing society and an uncertain future. It's a mindset where radical shifts or sudden upheavals are perceived not as opportunities but threats to a delicate equilibrium. Conservatism is essentially a neurocognitive inclination aimed at preserving the status quo...... If we are going town this road then I would suggest that so called 'progressives' have never matured mentally and have a childish desire  for approval which leads them to blindly follow the crowd and makes them intolerant of any view that clashes with their own. ::)

;D Mothballs (Lefties) claiming science .....more like the discredited pseudo-science of Phrenology affects the thinking processes of those with an opposing political or societal view.

Who would have thought? ;D

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 1:40pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 1:11pm: mothra wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 12:57pm: No-one? Some breathtaking stupidity on display here. To claim that a neurological factor is responsible for determining a persons political beliefs is utterly ridiculous.  ::) I'm sorry, Are you arguing that conservatives are flexible?

Are you?  ;D

I'd say definitely not ... hypocrisy ..no?

“Conservatism starts from a sentiment that all mature people can readily share: the sentiment that good things are easily destroyed, but not easily created. This is especially true of the good things that come to us as collective assets: peace, freedom, law, civility, public spirit, the security of property and family life, in all of which we depend on the cooperation of others while having no means singlehandedly to obtain it. In respect of such things, the work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation slow, laborious and dull. That is one of the lessons of the twentieth century. It is also one reason why conservatives suffer such a disadvantage when it comes to public opinion. Their position is true but boring, that of their opponents exciting but false.”
— Sir Roger Scruton

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 8:38am:

John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 10:09pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 9:30pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 8:50pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 8:42pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 8:10pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 6:57pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 5:53pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 3:08pm: John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 1:17pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 10:07am: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives. Your point? :D My point?? Firstly, bias doesn't mean what you think it means, thick as concrete son of the semi-literate masses. So you don't know what point you were trying to make either? Ok  ::) It was highlighted, thick as mince son of toil. Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. And then, being the thicko you are, you promptly misunderstood the word 'Bias' and came out knuckle dragging as usual. You really are as dumb as dogshit you know that? Telling me what I think isn't an answer.  Not now,  not ever.  That you obfuscate over your point highlights how pointless your comment really was. The point was highlighted, thick as gutter mud bozo. Then repeated. You still miss it, stupid ratbags. You're really struggling aren't you?  ;D ;D I didn't tell you what you "think", thicko. I told you you misunderstand basic words like bias. You also miss the point of a short paragraph even when it is highlighted and then repeated for you.  So don't overestimate yourself - you do not 'think'. You are a thick, incomprehending, semi literate ratbag. Here, word of the day for you, see if you comprehend it: Bias Systematic distortion of results or findings from the true state of affairs, or any of several varieties of processes leading to systematic distortion. In everyday usage, “bias” often implies the presence of emotional and/or political prejudices that influence conclusions and decisions. So the point again, now with an explanation of bias: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Do you still 'think' it means more  biased towards facts, as you idiotically said? John Smith wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 1:17pm: Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 10:07am: Interestingly, liberals showed three times more bias than conservatives. Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives. Your point? You really are a dumbarse  you know that.  And you're determined to keep proving it. You did tell me what I think when you said  bias doesn't mean what  I THINK  it means. How the farkk would you know what i think it means?  :D I know full well what bias means you cretin of all cretins.  And you pretend to have a university degree.  Fmd what hope is there .  :D Of course you don't  know what it means, thicko. You have been caught out again as a moronic half-wit who shoots off at the mouth without even a tenuous grasp of what you are responding to. You: "Yes, liberals are much more biased towards facts than conservatives." Biased=Systematic distortion of results or findings from the true state of affairs. More facts is NOT a systematic distortion, you thick as mince ratbags.

Here you go dogshit, for your education since you obviously failed primary school,  the full definition.

[i][quote]Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
bias
/ˈbʌɪəs/
noun
[highlight]1.inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair.
"there was evidence of bias against foreign applicants"

2.[quote]STATISTICS
a systematic distortion of a statistical result due to a factor not allowed for in its derivation.
verb
1.cause to feel or show inclination or prejudice for or against someone or something.
"the search results are biased by the specific queries used"

2.
STATISTICS
distort (a statistical result); introduce bias into (a method of sampling, measurement, analysis, etc.)[/highlight]

Must suck to be as dumb as you. Probably to late for you to get that refund now though, you'd struggle to write your letter you're soooooo dogshit stupid  ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 6:15pm:

Here you go dogshit, for your education since you obviously failed primary school,  the full definition. [i][quote]Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more bias /ˈbʌɪəs/ noun [highlight]1.inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair. "there was evidence of bias against foreign applicants" 2.[quote]STATISTICS a systematic distortion of a statistical result due to a factor not allowed for in its derivation. verb 1.cause to feel or show inclination or prejudice for or against someone or something. "the search results are biased by the specific queries used" 2. STATISTICS distort (a statistical result); introduce bias into (a method of sampling, measurement, analysis, etc.)[/highlight] Must suck to be as dumb as you. Probably to late for you to get that refund now though, you'd struggle to write your letter you're soooooo dogshit stupid  ;D ;D

:D :D :D

You don't even understand your OWN posts, thicko.  No news or surprise to anyone, of course.

Carry on, stupid ratbags, we know you will.

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:57pm:

No-one?

It's an OPINION piece, numpty.

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

John Smith wrote on May 9th, 2024 at 6:15pm: Here you go dogshit, for your education since you obviously failed primary school,  the full definition. [i][quote]Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more bias /ˈbʌɪəs/ noun [highlight]1.inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair. "there was evidence of bias against foreign applicants" 2.[quote]STATISTICS a systematic distortion of a statistical result due to a factor not allowed for in its derivation. verb 1.cause to feel or show inclination or prejudice for or against someone or something. "the search results are biased by the specific queries used" 2. STATISTICS distort (a statistical result); introduce bias into (a method of sampling, measurement, analysis, etc.)[/highlight] Must suck to be as dumb as you. Probably to late for you to get that refund now though, you'd struggle to write your letter you're soooooo dogshit stupid  ;D ;D :D :D :D You don't even understand your OWN posts, thicko.  No news or surprise to anyone, of course. Carry on, stupid ratbags, we know you will.

You're wrong again dogshit, it's you who is struggling to understand what I said.  Even googling the definition you still managed to get it wrong.  Just how stupid are you? ;D ;D

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 8:53pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 12:57pm: No-one? It's an OPINION piece, numpty.

That you resurrected from deep slumber to re-infuriate all of you poor, tired old anachronisms.

A last gasp, fruitbat?

mothra wrote on May 10^th, 2024 at 5:04am:

Frank wrote on May 9th, 2024 at 8:53pm: mothra wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 12:57pm: No-one? It's an OPINION piece, numpty. That you resurrected from deep slumber to re-infuriate all of you poor, tired old anachronisms. A last gasp, fruitbat?

Well, you called it "Science proves..." when it's just an OPINION piece from a zine.
So no 'science proves..', then.

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

Dnarever wrote on May 9th, 2024 at 12:02am: Quote: conservative brain is inflexible The right Conservative compared to the left progressive is more or less defined in their names. Conservative is naturally less flexible to change than are progressives by nature. Saying conservatives are less flexible is hardly an insult when they advertise the fact up front and proudly trade on it as a primary characteristic. ;D ;D Reality, duckwit, demonstrates the exact opposite. All the 'progressive" socialist states of Eastern Europe crashed while 'conservative' capitalist countries flourish. Conservative doesn't mean stagnant, monolithic. Loking after your garden, your house, your family is conservative. Concreting your garden, neglecting your house, abandoning your family for a folly is progressive.

Furta.

Progressives are not socialist and conservatives are not really capitalists they just like to think they are. The right typically take more socialist type handouts than the left while proclaiming the free market.

Frank wrote on May 10^th, 2024 at 12:16pm:

mothra wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 5:04am: Frank wrote on May 9th, 2024 at 8:53pm: mothra wrote on Oct 16th, 2023 at 12:57pm: No-one? It's an OPINION piece, numpty. That you resurrected from deep slumber to re-infuriate all of you poor, tired old anachronisms. A last gasp, fruitbat? Well, you called it "Science proves..." when it's just an OPINION piece from a zine. So no 'science proves..', then.

It's a write up on a study. fruitbat. But you know that. You've heard it all before.

Otherwise you'd not try to pretend ideological asymmetry doesn't exist by copy and pasting the abstract only of a study (which appears to lack peer-reviewing) without citing the study itself.

You know that old saying about being careful when you point fingers?  Probably not.

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

But what if I told you that our neural wiring determines whether we have the ability to change our minds? What if I told you that science suggests conservatives, who are extremely likely to be voting for Trump this election, generally have more rigid cognitive systems, which means they are less adaptable, and therefore, less likely to adopt a new framework or perspective when their approach fails?

Pondering, what --can-- change the opinion and mind of someone ?

Q.
What effect does presenting empirical truth, again, and again, and again,
have upon the opinions of --individuals-- [i.e. those not belonging to a HIVE MIND] ?

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

A seminal study by social psychologist David Amodio and colleagues at New York University suggests that the typical conservative is not likely to be convinced by something as simple as a logically persuasive argument. For some conservatives, it's like asking them to change the color of their eyes. A progressive worldview cannot pierce their psyche because being dogmatic is programmed into the fabric of that worldview. It is not just that they are “stubborn”; their brains are actually wired to resist things that are new and different. So, you could say they lack “free will” when it comes to their voting decision. When we speak of free will in a modern sense, we are talking about the personal agency that enables one to override ingrained biases and consider alternative perspectives.

Pondering, what --can-- change the opinion and mind of someone ?

Q.
What effect does presenting empirical truth, again, and again, and again,
have upon the opinions of --individuals-- [i.e. those not belonging to a HIVE MIND] ?

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

To understand the implications of this study, we must voyage into the realm of neuroscience, where secrets of the mind await discovery. The ERN, which stands for “error related negativity,” is a spike in brain activity that is triggered when we commit an error. It serves as a kind of internal alert system within our brain, signaling when a mistake has been made. It emerges in the brain region known as the anterior cingulate cortex, which helps us navigate situations where established patterns or behaviors are ineffective and require adjustment. For example, if a person is learning to play a musical instrument and hits a wrong note, the ERN might spike, prompting them to correct their finger positioning and playing style. Over time, as they practice and adapt, the frequency of these ERN spikes will decrease, indicating improved proficiency and fewer mistakes.

Pondering, what --can-- change the opinion and mind of someone ?

Q.
What effect does presenting empirical truth, again, and again, and again,
have upon the opinions of --individuals-- [i.e. those not belonging to a HIVE MIND] ?

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

Armed with a knowledge of the nature of the ERN, Dr. Amodio and colleagues ventured into the terrain of politics. Their highly-cited 2007 study revealed an illuminating connection between one's political orientation and the intensity of the ERN response. What they found was that participants with liberal views exhibited a more pronounced ERN. This suggests they have a heightened sensitivity to error signals, indicating a cognitive system that acknowledges the need for adjustments in perspective and strategy. Essentially, when their established behavioral patterns were shown to be incorrect or suboptimal, their brains signaled more intensely for an adaptive response. From these findings, we can conclude that progressive-minded individuals possess a neural predisposition for recognizing the need for change and growth.

Pondering, what --can-- change the opinion and mind of someone ?

Q.
What effect does presenting empirical truth, again, and again, and again,
have upon the opinions of --individuals-- [i.e. those not belonging to a HIVE MIND] ?

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

Conservatives, on the other hand, exhibited a smaller ERN. This suggests that their cognitive system is more resistant to signals advocating for change or reconsideration. We can think of this as a neural reflection of their preference for stability, tradition and consistency. The typical conservative voter’s mental landscape, sculpted by a combination of genetics and indoctrinating experiences, values the familiar and reliable. Established norms and long-held beliefs provide a safe harbor in the face of a changing society and an uncertain future. It's a mindset where radical shifts or sudden upheavals are perceived not as opportunities but threats to a delicate equilibrium. Conservatism is essentially a neurocognitive inclination aimed at preserving the status quo.

Pondering, what --can-- change the opinion and mind of someone ?

Q.
What effect does presenting empirical truth, again, and again, and again,
have upon the opinions of --individuals-- [i.e. those not belonging to a HIVE MIND] ?

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

So, what are we supposed to take away from these results? Does it mean there’s no hope for shifting anyone’s stances this election? One might reasonably conclude that we should simply focus on getting all those already on our ideological side to turn out to the polls on voting day. But using that strategy alone is risky. We should not give up hope in spreading a progressive worldview, because resistance to change and evolution eventually leads to societal collapse. History has unequivocally demonstrated that. Adaptivity is the key to individual and collective survival. This means we have an ethical obligation to be evangelists for progress and sensible change. This will require a bit of social engineering and some creativity.

Pondering, what --can-- change the opinion and mind of someone ?

Q.
What effect does presenting empirical truth, again, and again, and again,
have upon the opinions of --individuals-- [i.e. those not belonging to a HIVE MIND] ?

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

Persuading the conservatives intending to vote for Trump is not about convincing them with logic; it is about understanding and navigating their innate preference for stability and tradition. By recognizing the inherent gravitation toward consistency, we see that the presentation of facts or data might not be the most persuasive tool. Effective persuasion demands an approach that's strategically empathetic. Rather than challenging the core of their beliefs head-on, it’s far more effective to frame arguments in a way that resonates with their intrinsic values — stability, tradition and consistency. Narratives and stories that weave in those facts that resonate with their core values will be more compelling. Presenting change not as a rupture, but as a natural evolution of the existing order, can be a more palatable and effective narrative.

Pondering, what --can-- change the opinion and mind of someone ?

Q.
What effect does presenting empirical truth, again, and again, and again,
have upon the opinions of --individuals-- [i.e. those not belonging to a HIVE MIND] ?

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

To truly sway Republican voters, we must employ more than just arguments. It demands a properly balanced mix of genuine empathy, clever communication strategy and a basic grasp of the neurocognitive biases shaping their perspectives. In the end, the outcome of the election may well hinge on our ability to navigate the cognitive labyrinth of the conservative mind."

Pondering, what --can-- change the opinion and mind of someone ?

Q.
What effect does presenting empirical truth, again, and again, and again,
have upon the opinions of --individuals-- [i.e. those not belonging to a HIVE MIND] ?


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The simplest strategy [to accomplish some goal] is often the [very] best.

What many citizens, in many nations, worldwide, crave for from their political leaders,
IS NOT MORE SPIN, IN THEIR 'NARRATIVE'.

It is integrity,     ......closely connected to their own personality.

And accountability.

Period.



An honest politician.
......now there is a MIND BENDING, novel concept.

Well - you see - the total inadequacy of this 'discussion' of some twerp's idea is this - it is not the BRAIN at all..... in some cases on all sides people may have inflexible minds - but that is only comparative anyway since every moment is a decision one way or another - hardly the province of an 'inflexible' mind - so this entire 'argument' is spurious.  Stupid comment by a quarter-baked twerp.

Get a life, people.... how many pages of this utter nonsense must we endure?

Trump peaking at the right time......... Biden doddering....