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Message started by Lisa Jones on Oct 6th, 2023 at 4:54pm

Title: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 6th, 2023 at 4:54pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

I think I’m going to pass out 😩

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 7th, 2023 at 9:15am
An example of religious practise without belief in god.

Something clerics in the Church of England would understand, given nearly all of them admit to being at least agnostic if not atheistic.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 7th, 2023 at 9:22am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 9:15am:
An example of religious practise without belief in god.

Something clerics in the Church of England would understand, given nearly all of them admit to being at least agnostic if not atheistic.


Yup, something well known.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 7th, 2023 at 9:35am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 9:15am:
An example of religious practise without belief in god.

Something clerics in the Church of England would understand, given nearly all of them admit to being at least agnostic if not atheistic.


After conducting a few enquires with some of my Church Minister friends and Missionary friends ...


“Christian” Atheists are to be found in these “churches” 👇

Roman Catholic

Orthodox

High Order Anglican

Such “churches” are regarded by the Holy Bible as being an abomination.



Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 7th, 2023 at 10:00am
LOL, they arose after the bible was supposedly written.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 7th, 2023 at 10:10am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 9:15am:
An example of religious practise without belief in god.

Something clerics in the Church of England would understand, given nearly all of them admit to being at least agnostic if not atheistic.


Meister :

1. Are YOU an Atheist? Yes or No?

2. Are YOU a Christian Atheist? Yes or No?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 7th, 2023 at 10:19am
That is up to Meister, none of your business, Larry!

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 7th, 2023 at 10:34am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 10:10am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 9:15am:
An example of religious practise without belief in god.

Something clerics in the Church of England would understand, given nearly all of them admit to being at least agnostic if not atheistic.


Meister :

1. Are YOU an Atheist? Yes or No?

2. Are YOU a Christian Atheist? Yes or No?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 7th, 2023 at 10:44am
More responding to me by Larry the Junky.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 7th, 2023 at 10:50am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 10:10am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 9:15am:
An example of religious practise without belief in god.

Something clerics in the Church of England would understand, given nearly all of them admit to being at least agnostic if not atheistic.


Meister :

1. Are YOU an Atheist? Yes or No?

2. Are YOU a Christian Atheist? Yes or No?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 7th, 2023 at 10:51am
And again  ;D

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 7th, 2023 at 10:52am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 10:10am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 9:15am:
An example of religious practise without belief in god.

Something clerics in the Church of England would understand, given nearly all of them admit to being at least agnostic if not atheistic.


Meister :

1. Are YOU an Atheist? Yes or No?

2. Are YOU a Christian Atheist? Yes or No?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 7th, 2023 at 11:59am
LOL too easy.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 7th, 2023 at 12:51pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 9:35am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 9:15am:
An example of religious practise without belief in god.

Something clerics in the Church of England would understand, given nearly all of them admit to being at least agnostic if not atheistic.


After conducting a few enquires with some of my Church Minister friends and Missionary friends ...


“Christian” Atheists are to be found in these “churches” 👇

Roman Catholic

Orthodox

High Order Anglican

Such “churches” are regarded by the Holy Bible as being an abomination.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 7th, 2023 at 2:01pm
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 7th, 2023 at 2:03pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 9:15am:
An example of religious practise without belief in god.

Something clerics in the Church of England would understand, given nearly all of them admit to being at least agnostic if not atheistic.


After conducting a few enquires with some of my Church Minister friends and Missionary friends ...


“Christian” Atheists are to be found in these “churches” 👇

Roman Catholic

Orthodox

High Order Anglican

Such “churches” are regarded by the Holy Bible as being an abomination.





Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Bobby. on Oct 7th, 2023 at 2:10pm
What about Hillsong?

They preach the prosperity message -
you can be rich here and now -
you don't have to wait till you go to heaven.

You can wear a Rolex watch while other people starve to death.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 7th, 2023 at 7:51pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 2:10pm:
What about Hillsong?

They preach the prosperity message -
you can be rich here and now -
you don't have to wait till you go to heaven.

You can wear a Rolex watch while other people starve to death.


What about Hillsong? They’re not Christian Atheists.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 7th, 2023 at 8:14pm
Dunno, those behind the phenomenon need not be believers, just conmen.  (Shadows of DuByne!)

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Bobby. on Oct 7th, 2023 at 11:33pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 7:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 2:10pm:
What about Hillsong?

They preach the prosperity message -
you can be rich here and now -
you don't have to wait till you go to heaven.

You can wear a Rolex watch while other people starve to death.


What about Hillsong? They’re not Christian Atheists.



But they preach heresy.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Bobby. on Oct 7th, 2023 at 11:42pm


Matthew 6:19-21   KJV


19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by AusGeoff on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:18am


Nope.   There's no such person as a "Christian" atheist.

It's a classic oxymoron.  At any rate, atheists reject the
tenets of all religions.   End of story.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 8th, 2023 at 11:27am

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:18am:
Nope.   There's no such person as a "Christian" atheist.

It's a classic oxymoron.  At any rate, atheists reject the
tenets of all religions.   End of story.


That’s exactly what I thought.

Now have a long at the OP.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 8th, 2023 at 11:27am
OP 👇


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6th, 2023 at 4:54pm:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

I think I’m going to pass out 😩


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 8th, 2023 at 11:30am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 2:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 7th, 2023 at 9:15am:
An example of religious practise without belief in god.

Something clerics in the Church of England would understand, given nearly all of them admit to being at least agnostic if not atheistic.


After conducting a few enquires with some of my Church Minister friends and Missionary friends ...


“Christian” Atheists are to be found in these “churches” 👇

Roman Catholic

Orthodox

High Order Anglican

Such “churches” are regarded by the Holy Bible as being an abomination.


There may well still be hope for the Low Order Anglican Church.

Bring it on I say!

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/charming-and-unapologetic-sydney-s-anglican-archbishop-isn-t-afraid-to-be-out-of-step-with-the-times-20220803-p5b6z0.html?mibextid=wACSiI&fs=e&s=cl&fbclid=IwAR3r_tS1nweOBVsmkoLZDongwImq4VNRv5apN5iV1HzsGqgnpesmd44ZLT8

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 8th, 2023 at 11:35am
From the previous link :

Charming and unapologetic: Sydney’s Anglican archbishop isn’t afraid to be out of step with the times

Kanishka Raffel’s election as Archbishop of Sydney broke the mould. His predecessors are all of European descent; his heritage is Sri Lankan. Many of those who went before him were sons of Sydney’s Anglican dynasties, and attended its sandstone schools; he moved to Australia as a boy and went to Carlingford High.

But the most unusual thing about Raffel, in the annals of Christian archbishops, is that for the first 21 years of his life he was a Buddhist. He meditated, chanted Buddhist prayers, and went to the temple. He watched his mother – a doctor, who was widowed young – perform acts of charity to accrue merit for her late husband.

Anglican Archbishop Kanishka Raffel was born a Buddhist. But that all changed one hot, sleepless summer night, when he picked up a gospel given to him by a friend. By dawn, he was a Christian. “In a sense, it was kind of unavoidable,” he says. “I couldn’t do anything else.”

We meet at Spiced by Billu’s in Barangaroo, the closest we could find to Sri Lankan cuisine in the city on a Tuesday. Raffel orders curries, dhal and chutneys, toning down the heat after I sheepishly admit to being a spice sook. Raffel lifts his foot above the table and hoicks up his trouser leg to reveal a sock decorated with red chillies. “I wore them for you.”

The 57-year-old is accustomed to heat, both in his food and in his job. He was elected as Sydney’s Anglican leader a little over a year ago, and is presiding over a diocese that is increasingly at odds with the views held by many in the city, and even the views of its fellow Australian Anglicans, when it comes to women, divorce and same-sex relationships.

Parents at Anglican schools are fighting an edict from Sydney’s synod – a kind of Anglican parliament – requiring principals to affirm that marriage is between a man and a woman. Due to its view that men and women are designed for different roles in life, Sydney also remains one of the few English-speaking dioceses to refuse to ordain women as priests. Divorce is bad, too. A few years ago, a popular rector had to resign from his parish because his marriage ended.

Raffel is funny, charming and diplomatic. He has been described, even by some who disagree with him, as a nice chap. But he is also, ever so politely, unapologetic. Sydney’s Anglicans won’t be changing their interpretation of the bible to suit the times. “There’s no doubt we are at the counter-cultural end, rather than culturally accommodating,” he says. “This isn’t a matter of pigheadedness. We’re trying to follow Jesus.”

As the papadams crackle, we delve into Raffel’s family history. His father, Lorenz, was a supervisor on a tea plantation, whose parents were Christian and whose European surname was brought to the subcontinent by the Dutch East India Company. His mother, Lilamani, was a Sinhalese Buddhist doctor, whose upper-class father, also a doctor, played bridge with the country’s first prime minister.

Their parents did not approve of the match, so the young couple moved first to England, where Raffel and one of his two sisters were born, then to Canada, which was too cold for a family from the tropics.

In 1972, they moved to Sydney. Six months after they arrived, his father died of a heart attack. Raffel’s mother was alone in a foreign land with three children.

They lived in Carlingford, in the city’s north-west, where Raffel attended the local high school. “After my sister left, I was the only non-white person in the whole school,” he remembers. On the school’s debating team, he argued against his future wife, Cailey. The children would say their Buddhist prayers at night, and when Wat Buddharangsee opened in the inner west in 1975, they would attend on special days, such the anniversary of his father’s death.

Raffel was elected as Sydney’s Anglican leader a little over a year ago,

He remembers his mother as a woman of deep integrity, compassion and independence. “[She had] a Buddhist sense of caring for the poor,” he says. She would throw parties for children at what was then known as the Royal Institute for Deaf and Blind Children, an act of charity that would accrue merit for her late husband. “The Buddhist idea is that you can do good acts, and then commit the good karma to that person,” Raffel says. “That was her expression of her faith.”

When Raffel was in his third year of an arts-law degree at Sydney University he decided to deepen his understanding of his faith. He pored over books in the temple library. He meditated. And he pondered the metaphysics of rebirth. “I was very committed to the program, as it were ... the shape of the ethics around wisdom and compassion and the eightfold path.”


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 8th, 2023 at 11:39am
Continued

The arrival of goat and chicken curries, eggplant masala, dhal makhani, garlic naan and mango chutney jolt us back to the present where, in Sydney, seven Manly players are making headlines by refusing to wear a rainbow pride jersey due to their religion and, on the other side of the world, Anglican bishops are attending their once-in-a-decade conference in Lambeth, England, to discuss challenges facing the church such as disagreement about same-sex marriage.

Put simply, the fault line is between progressive Anglicans – most of whom are in the Northern Hemisphere and parts of Australia – and socially and theologically conservative communities in the global south. Unlike Catholics, Anglicans have no central, papal authority. It’s more like a family. And like many families, they can disagree and become estranged, to the point where some no longer turn up at the reunion.

Sydney did not attend the Lambeth conference and has not been since the late 1990s. On women and same-sex marriage, Sydney’s Anglicans align firmly with the south. “They are heroic, joyful churches,” says Raffel. The diocese is a member of GAFCON (the Global Anglican Future Conference), which is dominated by African countries and seeks to guard and proclaim “the unchanging truth in a changing world”. As the divisions between Anglicans over same-sex marriage and women grow, some believe the Australian church will become irrevocably divided and formally split.

Critics argue the Sydney crew takes the bible too literally. Raffel disagrees. He does not believe it’s magic, and that sticking a pin in a random verse will provide an answer to the day’s problem. But he does believe that, when the Old Testament, the gospels, and the epistles are consistent on an issue, such as marriage being between a man and woman, then that’s that.

“That teaching ... has been affirmed,” he says. “Jesus is kind of counter cultural, and he was in his own day. And I think it’s right to say the Christians who’ve made the biggest impact are probably the ones who are willing to stick with Jesus. Even when that was culturally awkward.” He knows many Christians find the position hurtful. He “regrets and laments” their pain.

At the most recent national Synod, bishops vetoed what would have otherwise been a successful motion by Sydney to affirm that marriage is between a man and a woman. It strengthened fears of a formal split. Raffel describes the tensions in the church as painful. “But we are talking about what it means to be faithful to Jesus,” he says. “And if it is the case that there is no agreement about what faithfulness looks like, then there will be a very sad kind of distancing. To some extent, there is already.”



Dear God - The Anglican Church in Australia has been schizophrenic from the get go! Its organisation and system has been increasingly and quietly infiltrated by well connected Catholics for decades. Hurry up and split already I say! That way the High Order Anglicans can re unite with their Catholic Church counterparts and this long-standing cringeworthy pretence can finally end!

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:27pm

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:18am:
Nope.   There's no such person as a "Christian" atheist.

It's a classic oxymoron.  At any rate, atheists reject the
tenets of all religions.   End of story.

They would argue that they accept the ethos of Christianity but reject the metaphysical woo-woo - they can sing hymns in the way we sing 'Santa Claus is Coming to Town' at Christmas without believing that Santa Claus is coming to town.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jasinner on Oct 8th, 2023 at 1:23pm
Christian Atheists are like Males or Females that identify as the opposite sex.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:51pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 1:23pm:
Christian Atheists are like Males or Females that identify as the opposite sex.


OMG! Spot on 😳

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:27pm
Hmmm interesting.

So Meister.... are you :

An Atheist?
A Christian Atheist?
An Agnostic?
A Theist?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:11pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:27pm:
Hmmm interesting.

So Meister.... are you :

An Atheist?
A Christian Atheist?
An Agnostic?
A Theist?


Why won’t you answer?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:27pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Never heard of the exile in Babylon?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:30pm

Quote:
In 720 BCE, the Assyrian army captured Samaria, the capital of the northern Kingdom of Israel, and carried away many Israelites into captivity. The virtual destruction of Israel left the southern kingdom, Judah, to fend for itself among warring Near-Eastern kingdoms.

Assyrian siege of Jerusalem - Wikipedia

Wikipedia


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_siege_of_Jerusalem

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:31pm
Verdi wrote an opera about it, the most famous part of it is the chorus of the Hebrew slaves.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 8th, 2023 at 11:14pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Also why did you place those inverted commas around the word defeated?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by AusGeoff on Oct 8th, 2023 at 11:41pm

Calling an atheist a "Christian" is like
saying a woman is slightly pregnant. 

   A fail in logic 101.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:24am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 11:14pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Also why did you place those inverted commas around the word defeated?


The Hebrews were able to return to Israel.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:25am

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 11:41pm:
Calling an atheist a "Christian" is like
saying a woman is slightly pregnant. 

   A fail in logic 101.


Christian atheist—an oxymoron. Someone serving in the church but not believing in god.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:28am
BTW—much of the Old Testament is a propaganda script for when the Assyrians were nearing Jerusalem.

“Put not your faith in the scribblings of scribes” cried one but the people did.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:32am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:33am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:27pm:
Hmmm interesting.

So Meister.... are you :

An Atheist?
A Christian Atheist?
An Agnostic?
A Theist?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:33am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:42am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:31pm:
Verdi wrote an opera about it, the most famous part of it is the chorus of the Hebrew slaves.

Verdi, eh.

He must have ripped it off from Boney M!!

By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down. Yea, we wept when we remembered Zion.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:53am
His librettist must have done so. Then again, it is a historical event.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:57am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Meister you made that ridiculous claim. Back it up.

But you can’t. Of course you can’t despite being repeatedly asked. 

So we can all safely ignore that silly ignorant comment. Good.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 9th, 2023 at 7:06am
I wonder if Larry knows the rivers of Babylon?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 9th, 2023 at 7:13am
Hmmm never heard of Bony M and am content to never hear her again. Verdi will do me.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 9th, 2023 at 7:17am
Gods, to the ancients, fought 'battles' with rival gods that 'proved' their supremacy to their respective believers.

They, and their prophets, also had to perform miraculous feats that at least equalled rival gods or surpassed them - the story of Moses with the Pharoah and their staffs turning into serpents is a famous 'example':
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%207%3A8-13&version=ISV

In the Christian tradition, there is the story of Jesus' birth to a virgin.

In the ancient world, a 'god', or a great prophet, born on earth was often born of a virgin - like Romulus and Remus born of the virgin Rhea Silvia. In ancient Egypt, Ra was born of the virgin Net; Horus was born to the virgin Isis. The Roman god, Attis, was born of a virgin, Nana, on December 25.

In ancient Greece, Dionysos was the son of either the virgin Semele or the virgin Persephone. Persephone was also the virgin mother of Jason.

Despite no contemporary writers ever recording that Jesus was born of a virgin, (not even Paul), 60 years after his death, when Christianity was competing for followers with other extant gods of the region, came the story of Jesus' virgin birth.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 9th, 2023 at 7:41am
Ah, that is why the myth of the Immaculate Conception arose!

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 9th, 2023 at 7:47am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 7:41am:
Ah, that is why the myth of the Immaculate Conception arose!

The Immaculate Conception is Catholic dogma that refers to the 'virgin' Mary's conception - she was conceived without original sin.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:00am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Meister you made that ridiculous claim. Back it up.

But you can’t. Of course you can’t despite being repeatedly asked. 

So we can all safely ignore that silly ignorant comment. Good.


Ok so now that Meister has PROVEN to everyone that he merely invented the BS he posted let’s move on.

I wonder how long it will take for Meister to answer/come clean about his particular brand of Atheism?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:02am
Up for Meister.


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:33am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:27pm:
Hmmm interesting.

So Meister.... are you :

An Atheist?
A Christian Atheist?
An Agnostic?
A Theist?



Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:31am
Some combat of the gods myths -

https://onlysky.media/bseidensticker/combat-myth-the-curious-story-of-yahweh-and-the-gods-who-preceded-him/

After the destruction of Judah and Jerusalem in 587 BC, the victorious Babylonians asserted that their god Marduk was king. This propaganda was intended both to control the Babylonian populace, as well as to seduce captive Israelites away from Yahweh and toward a life-long commitment to Marduk.

http://charlotteawake.com/talkingnotes/isaiah/handouts/Yahweh_versus_Marduk_creation_theology.pdf

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:50am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:31am:
Some combat of the gods myths -

https://onlysky.media/bseidensticker/combat-myth-the-curious-story-of-yahweh-and-the-gods-who-preceded-him/

After the destruction of Judah and Jerusalem in 587 BC, the victorious Babylonians asserted that their god Marduk was king. This propaganda was intended both to control the Babylonian populace, as well as to seduce captive Israelites away from Yahweh and toward a life-long commitment to Marduk.

http://charlotteawake.com/talkingnotes/isaiah/handouts/Yahweh_versus_Marduk_creation_theology.pdf


And? What’s your point? All you’re doing is proving me right (again) AND proving that you have no idea about wtf you’re talking about.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:52am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Meister you made that ridiculous claim. Back it up.

But you can’t. Of course you can’t despite being repeatedly asked. 

So we can all safely ignore that silly ignorant comment. Good.


Have another read of your claim Meister. Now you either back it up or STFU.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:56am
Why can’t you answer such a simple question Meister? Yet you think you can tear into topics and ask/demand others to answer you when you ask them such questions. Hypocrite!

Don’t worry ... I know that you know why I started this topic dumbstruck dumbarse.



Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:02am:
Up for Meister.


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:33am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:27pm:
Hmmm interesting.

So Meister.... are you :

An Atheist?
A Christian Atheist?
An Agnostic?
A Theist?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:59am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Meister you made that ridiculous claim. Back it up.

But you can’t. Of course you can’t despite being repeatedly asked. 

So we can all safely ignore that silly ignorant comment. Good.


And you can have another read of your ridiculous claim Meister. Now you either back it up or STFU. So far all you’ve done is google irrelevant commentary which does NOT support your invented claim.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:32am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:59am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Meister you made that ridiculous claim. Back it up.

But you can’t. Of course you can’t despite being repeatedly asked. 

So we can all safely ignore that silly ignorant comment. Good.


And you can have another read of your ridiculous claim Meister. Now you either back it up or STFU. So far all you’ve done is google irrelevant commentary which does NOT support your invented claim.

An autistic 'Christian' who hasn't read the Old Testament.

Start with Isaiah.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:36am
Ancient peoples imagined their gods from an anthropomorphic perspective

Ancient gods were born, grew up, got married, had kids, had affairs, stole each other's wives, feuded with other gods, harassed mortals, ate and drank too much and slept it off - sort of like multi-billionaires today.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:39am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:32am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:59am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Meister you made that ridiculous claim. Back it up.

But you can’t. Of course you can’t despite being repeatedly asked. 

So we can all safely ignore that silly ignorant comment. Good.


And you can have another read of your ridiculous claim Meister. Now you either back it up or STFU. So far all you’ve done is google irrelevant commentary which does NOT support your invented claim.

An autistic 'Christian' who hasn't read the Old Testament.

Start with Isaiah.


I’ve read the Holy Bible cover to cover over 12 times you fool. And Isaiah (just like the previous stuff you wasted time googling) supports me not you.

Now why can’t YOU back up your invented claim I wonder dumbstruck dumbarse? And whilst here why won’t you tell OzPol about the brand of Atheism you follow eh hypocrite?

Are you sitting there (hiding behind that particular ID) terrified? Is that it?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:41am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:36am:
Ancient peoples imagined their gods from an anthropomorphic perspective

Ancient gods were born, grew up, got married, had kids, had affairs, stole each other's wives, feuded with other gods, harassed mortals, ate and drank too much and slept it off - sort of like multi-billionaires today.


Wrong topic Dumbstruck Dumbarse.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:41am
This cradle-atheist is dissatisfied with popular dismissals of religion, and he’s giving voice to a new way. He says that the most boring question you can ask of any religion is whether it is true. But how to live, how to die, what is good, and what is bad — these are questions religion has sophisticated ways of addressing. And he feels that secular society has emptied public spaces of religious messaging, only to fill them with commercial proselytizing that may impoverish us morally. And so Alain de Botton has created something called The School of Life, where people young and old explore ritual, community, beauty, and wisdom.



https://youtu.be/ZQVjhCbll8o?si=zX8loB9p5ohfcuMx

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:56am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:39am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:32am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:59am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Meister you made that ridiculous claim. Back it up.

But you can’t. Of course you can’t despite being repeatedly asked. 

So we can all safely ignore that silly ignorant comment. Good.


And you can have another read of your ridiculous claim Meister. Now you either back it up or STFU. So far all you’ve done is google irrelevant commentary which does NOT support your invented claim.

An autistic 'Christian' who hasn't read the Old Testament.

Start with Isaiah.


I’ve read the Holy Bible cover to cover over 12 times you fool. And Isaiah (just like the previous stuff you wasted time googling) supports me not you.

Now why can’t YOU back up your invented claim I wonder dumbstruck dumbarse? And whilst here why won’t you tell OzPol about the brand of Atheism you follow eh hypocrite?

Are you sitting there (hiding behind that particular ID) terrified? Is that it?

You're out of your depth.

And what is it with your autistic obsession with Multi ids, Yahoo and Frank?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:10am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:56am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:39am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:32am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:59am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Meister you made that ridiculous claim. Back it up.

But you can’t. Of course you can’t despite being repeatedly asked. 

So we can all safely ignore that silly ignorant comment. Good.


And you can have another read of your ridiculous claim Meister. Now you either back it up or STFU. So far all you’ve done is google irrelevant commentary which does NOT support your invented claim.

An autistic 'Christian' who hasn't read the Old Testament.

Start with Isaiah.


I’ve read the Holy Bible cover to cover over 12 times you fool. And Isaiah (just like the previous stuff you wasted time googling) supports me not you.

Now why can’t YOU back up your invented claim I wonder dumbstruck dumbarse? And whilst here why won’t you tell OzPol about the brand of Atheism you follow eh hypocrite?

Are you sitting there (hiding behind that particular ID) terrified? Is that it?

You're out of your depth.


Stop deflecting dumbstruck dumbarse. It’s getting tiresome!

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:19am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:10am:
Stop deflecting dumbstruck dumbarse. It’s getting tiresome!

Autistic nutjob. You've never worked with people in your life. They'd have thrown you out of a window within a week.

Is Reg one of those passive autistics who marry the nutjob ones?

A "Christian" who's never read or comprehended the Old Testament. Not surprising on that front - most "Christians" haven't.

Take a valium. Sleep it off.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:19am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:18am:
Nope.   There's no such person as a "Christian" atheist.

It's a classic oxymoron.  At any rate, atheists reject the
tenets of all religions.   End of story.

They would argue that they accept the ethos of Christianity but reject the metaphysical woo-woo - they can sing hymns in the way we sing 'Santa Claus is Coming to Town' at Christmas without believing that Santa Claus is coming to town.


Oh so they’re really Cultural Christians then 😐

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:21am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:19am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:10am:
Stop deflecting dumbstruck dumbarse. It’s getting tiresome!

Autistic nutjob. You've never worked with people in your life. They'd have thrown you out of a window within a week.

Is Reg one of those passive autistics who marry the nutjob ones?

A "Christian" who's never read or comprehended the Old Testament. Not surprising on that front - most "Christians" haven't.

Take a valium. Sleep it off.


Once more for the terrified troll: STFU and stop deflecting Dumbstruck Dumbarse.

And don’t presume for a moment I don’t know who and what I’m dealing with here.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:25am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:21am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:19am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:10am:
Stop deflecting dumbstruck dumbarse. It’s getting tiresome!

Autistic nutjob. You've never worked with people in your life. They'd have thrown you out of a window within a week.

Is Reg one of those passive autistics who marry the nutjob ones?

A "Christian" who's never read or comprehended the Old Testament. Not surprising on that front - most "Christians" haven't.

Take a valium. Sleep it off.


Once more for the terrified troll: STFU and stop deflecting Dumbstruck Dumbarse.

And don’t presume for a moment I don’t know who and what I’m dealing with here.

Awww what a wanker.

An autistic "Christian" being "Christian", eh.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:30am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:19am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:18am:
Nope.   There's no such person as a "Christian" atheist.

It's a classic oxymoron.  At any rate, atheists reject the
tenets of all religions.   End of story.

They would argue that they accept the ethos of Christianity but reject the metaphysical woo-woo - they can sing hymns in the way we sing 'Santa Claus is Coming to Town' at Christmas without believing that Santa Claus is coming to town.


Oh so they’re really Cultural Christians then 😐


Stop deflecting and procrastinating Meister.

1. How long have you been a Cultural Christian/Christian Atheist?

2. And why won’t you come out of the closet about that?

Note : It’s ok.... I know you have Aspergers. My son does too. Just like you he’s intelligent but can chuck huge tantrums when caught out/pwned. So no amount of childish name calling (by you) is going to stop me from challenging you.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:39am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:30am:
My son does too. Just like you he’s intelligent but can chuck huge tantrums when caught out/pwned.

I'm bloody sure he would have at least Aspergers - look at his mother.

Your other kids? Sit for hours watching spinning hubcaps, I'd bet.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:47am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:30am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:19am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:18am:
Nope.   There's no such person as a "Christian" atheist.

It's a classic oxymoron.  At any rate, atheists reject the
tenets of all religions.   End of story.

They would argue that they accept the ethos of Christianity but reject the metaphysical woo-woo - they can sing hymns in the way we sing 'Santa Claus is Coming to Town' at Christmas without believing that Santa Claus is coming to town.


Oh so they’re really Cultural Christians then 😐


Stop deflecting and procrastinating Meister.

1. How long have you been a Cultural Christian/Christian Atheist?

2. And why won’t you come out of the closet about that?

Note : It’s ok.... I know you have Aspergers. My son does too. Just like you he’s intelligent but can chuck huge tantrums when caught out/pwned. So no amount of childish name calling (by you) is going to stop me from challenging you.


Try and focus on the topic. Your ADHD as well as your Aspergers is not helping you. At all.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 9th, 2023 at 3:35pm
Larry really is autistic, isn’t he? Very clear in this thread. Hasn’t grasped the Yahweh being defeated at all.

He also thinks he has the right to DEMAND you tell him your religious beliefs. Unbelievable.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 3:47pm
Why can’t you answer such a simple question Meister? Yet you think you can tear into topics and ask/demand others to answer you when you ask them such questions. Hypocrite!

Don’t worry ... I know that you know why I started this topic dumbstruck dumbarse.



Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:02am:
Up for Meister.


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:33am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:27pm:
Hmmm interesting.

So Meister.... are you :

An Atheist?
A Christian Atheist?
An Agnostic?
A Theist?



Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 9th, 2023 at 4:02pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 3:35pm:
Larry really is autistic, isn’t he?

Had to deal with enough of them at work - their meltdowns when they failed to complete tasks, their excuses why they couldn't/wouldn't do their job, their blaming everyone else when they couldn't/wouldn't do their job, their looking to dob their workmates in for anything when they couldn't/wouldn't do their job, the HR hand-wringing when you complain that they can't/won't do their job, their hysteria when they get unfavourable KPI assessments because they can't meet their KPIs...

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 9th, 2023 at 4:04pm
Sounds rather pathetic.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 4:08pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:30am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:19am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:18am:
Nope.   There's no such person as a "Christian" atheist.

It's a classic oxymoron.  At any rate, atheists reject the
tenets of all religions.   End of story.

They would argue that they accept the ethos of Christianity but reject the metaphysical woo-woo - they can sing hymns in the way we sing 'Santa Claus is Coming to Town' at Christmas without believing that Santa Claus is coming to town.


Oh so they’re really Cultural Christians then 😐


Stop deflecting and procrastinating Meister.

1. How long have you been a Cultural Christian/Christian Atheist?

2. And why won’t you come out of the closet about that?

Note : It’s ok.... I know you have Aspergers. My son does too. Just like you he’s intelligent but can chuck huge tantrums when caught out/pwned. So no amount of childish name calling (by you) is going to stop me from challenging you.


Try and focus on the topic. Your ADHD as well as your Aspergers is not helping you. At all.

Apologies to those in my topic but it seems we are struggling with Meister who refuses to stick to the topic and thinks he can hijack it with off topic abuse.

There is the other issue of Meister’s hypocrisy. In the Atheist topic next door he spent hours demanding Methra reveal if she was an Agnostic or an Atheist. Yet in this topic he thinks he is exempted from the very same question.

As regards Dumbarse Drunk - he’s merely part of the topic’s props. And as such the Drunk is here to be used as an object for Meister to hide behind and get a bit more deflection happening.



Title: Autism
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 9th, 2023 at 4:20pm

Quote:
Autism Spectrum Disorder

Overview

Autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is a neurological and developmental disorder that affects how people interact with others, communicate, learn, and behave. Although autism can be diagnosed at any age, it is described as a “developmental disorder” because symptoms generally appear in the first 2 years of life.

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), a guide created by the American Psychiatric Association that health care providers use to diagnose mental disorders, people with ASD often have:

Difficulty with communication and interaction with other people
Restricted interests and repetitive behaviors
Symptoms that affect their ability to function in school, work, and other areas of life
Autism is known as a “spectrum” disorder because there is wide variation in the type and severity of symptoms people experience.


https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/autism-spectrum-disorders-asd

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 4:21pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 4:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:30am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:19am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:18am:
Nope.   There's no such person as a "Christian" atheist.

It's a classic oxymoron.  At any rate, atheists reject the
tenets of all religions.   End of story.

They would argue that they accept the ethos of Christianity but reject the metaphysical woo-woo - they can sing hymns in the way we sing 'Santa Claus is Coming to Town' at Christmas without believing that Santa Claus is coming to town.


Oh so they’re really Cultural Christians then 😐


Stop deflecting and procrastinating Meister.

1. How long have you been a Cultural Christian/Christian Atheist?

2. And why won’t you come out of the closet about that?

Note : It’s ok.... I know you have Aspergers. My son does too. Just like you he’s intelligent but can chuck huge tantrums when caught out/pwned. So no amount of childish name calling (by you) is going to stop me from challenging you.


Try and focus on the topic. Your ADHD as well as your Aspergers is not helping you. At all.

Apologies to those in my topic but it seems we are struggling with Meister who refuses to stick to the topic and thinks he can hijack it with off topic abuse.

There is the other issue of Meister’s hypocrisy. In the Atheist topic next door he spent hours demanding Methra reveal if she was an Agnostic or an Atheist. Yet in this topic he thinks he is exempted from the very same question.

As regards Dumbarse Drunk - he’s merely part of the topic’s props. And as such the Drunk is here to be used as an object for Meister to hide behind and get a bit more deflection happening.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 9th, 2023 at 4:40pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 4:04pm:
Sounds rather pathetic.

And due to DEI rules, once you hire them, you're pretty much stuck with them.

The meltdowns that the poster has here online are par for the course with autistics.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 9th, 2023 at 4:49pm
Yeah, blaming you for his not getting the “Yahweh defeated” thing then going on a rampage.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 5:29pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 4:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:30am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:19am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:18am:
Nope.   There's no such person as a "Christian" atheist.

It's a classic oxymoron.  At any rate, atheists reject the
tenets of all religions.   End of story.

They would argue that they accept the ethos of Christianity but reject the metaphysical woo-woo - they can sing hymns in the way we sing 'Santa Claus is Coming to Town' at Christmas without believing that Santa Claus is coming to town.


Oh so they’re really Cultural Christians then 😐


Stop deflecting and procrastinating Meister.

1. How long have you been a Cultural Christian/Christian Atheist?

2. And why won’t you come out of the closet about that?

Note : It’s ok.... I know you have Aspergers. My son does too. Just like you he’s intelligent but can chuck huge tantrums when caught out/pwned. So no amount of childish name calling (by you) is going to stop me from challenging you.


Try and focus on the topic. Your ADHD as well as your Aspergers is not helping you. At all.

Apologies to those in my topic but it seems we are struggling with Meister who refuses to stick to the topic and thinks he can hijack it with off topic abuse.

There is the other issue of Meister’s hypocrisy. In the Atheist topic next door he spent hours demanding Methra reveal if she was an Agnostic or an Atheist. Yet in this topic he thinks he is exempted from the very same question.

As regards Dumbarse Drunk - he’s merely part of the topic’s props. And as such the Drunk is here to be used as an object for Meister to hide behind and get a bit more deflection happening.



Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 9th, 2023 at 5:38pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 4:40pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 4:04pm:
Sounds rather pathetic.

And due to DEI rules, once you hire them, you're pretty much stuck with them.

The meltdowns that the poster has here online are par for the course with autistics.


Fortunately—I never hired one of these charmers.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 5:45pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 4:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:30am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:19am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:18am:
Nope.   There's no such person as a "Christian" atheist.

It's a classic oxymoron.  At any rate, atheists reject the
tenets of all religions.   End of story.

They would argue that they accept the ethos of Christianity but reject the metaphysical woo-woo - they can sing hymns in the way we sing 'Santa Claus is Coming to Town' at Christmas without believing that Santa Claus is coming to town.


Oh so they’re really Cultural Christians then 😐


Stop deflecting and procrastinating Meister.

1. How long have you been a Cultural Christian/Christian Atheist?

2. And why won’t you come out of the closet about that?

Note : It’s ok.... I know you have Aspergers. My son does too. Just like you he’s intelligent but can chuck huge tantrums when caught out/pwned. So no amount of childish name calling (by you) is going to stop me from challenging you.


Try and focus on the topic. Your ADHD as well as your Aspergers is not helping you. At all.

Apologies to those in my topic but it seems we are struggling with Meister who refuses to stick to the topic and thinks he can hijack it with off topic abuse.

There is the other issue of Meister’s hypocrisy. In the Atheist topic next door he spent hours demanding Methra reveal if she was an Agnostic or an Atheist. Yet in this topic he thinks he is exempted from the very same question.

As regards Dumbarse Drunk - he’s merely part of the topic’s props. And as such the Drunk is here to be used as an object for Meister to hide behind and get a bit more deflection happening.




Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 9th, 2023 at 5:46pm
All the atheists here are Christian atheists, unless they are also amoralists.  They are cultural, moral Christians even if not theological Christians.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 5:48pm

Frank wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 5:46pm:
All the atheists here are Christian atheists, unless they are also amoralists.  They are cultural, moral Christians even if not theological Christians.


Are you speaking FOR Meister AND FOR yourself??




Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 5:57pm
Also Frank .... whilst you’re here ... what is your take on Meister’s opinion (refer highlighted text)


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:59am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Meister you made that ridiculous claim. Back it up.

But you can’t. Of course you can’t despite being repeatedly asked. 

So we can all safely ignore that silly ignorant comment. Good.


And you can have another read of your ridiculous claim Meister. Now you either back it up or STFU. So far all you’ve done is google irrelevant commentary which does NOT support your invented claim.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 9th, 2023 at 5:59pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 5:48pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 5:46pm:
All the atheists here are Christian atheists, unless they are also amoralists.  They are cultural, moral Christians even if not theological Christians.


Are you speaking FOR Meister AND FOR yourself??

Oh, FFS!

Get a grip. I am Bbwian's sock. C'mon!!!

No, wait! I am YOUR sock!

No wait, I am barefoot.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:00pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 5:57pm:
Also Frank .... whilst you’re here ... what is your take on Meister’s opinion (refer highlighted text)


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:59am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.

That is just juvenile idiocy.

That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Meister you made that ridiculous claim. Back it up.

But you can’t. Of course you can’t despite being repeatedly asked. 

So we can all safely ignore that silly ignorant comment. Good.


And you can have another read of your ridiculous claim Meister. Now you either back it up or STFU. So far all you’ve done is google irrelevant commentary which does NOT support your invented claim.

Dunno what he or you are on about.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:08pm

Frank wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 5:57pm:
Also Frank .... whilst you’re here ... what is your take on Meister’s opinion (refer highlighted text)


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:59am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.


That is just juvenile idiocy.


That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Meister you made that ridiculous claim. Back it up.

But you can’t. Of course you can’t despite being repeatedly asked. 

So we can all safely ignore that silly ignorant comment. Good.


And you can have another read of your ridiculous claim Meister. Now you either back it up or STFU. So far all you’ve done is google irrelevant commentary which does NOT support your invented claim.

Dunno what he or you are on about.


Oh really? Funny given MEISTER WAS TALKING WITH YOU Frank when I walked into the interaction and questioned Meister about this invented rubbish 👇

ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:34pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 5:57pm:
Also Frank .... whilst you’re here ... what is your take on Meister’s opinion (refer highlighted text)


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:59am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.


That is just juvenile idiocy.


That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Meister you made that ridiculous claim. Back it up.

But you can’t. Of course you can’t despite being repeatedly asked. 

So we can all safely ignore that silly ignorant comment. Good.


And you can have another read of your ridiculous claim Meister. Now you either back it up or STFU. So far all you’ve done is google irrelevant commentary which does NOT support your invented claim.

Dunno what he or you are on about.


Oh really? Funny given MEISTER WAS TALKING WITH YOU Frank when I walked into the interaction and questioned Meister about this invented rubbish 👇

ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.

And someone using the 'Frank' sock  :o :o said it was juvenile idiocy.



Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 9th, 2023 at 7:06pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 4:49pm:
Yeah, blaming you for his not getting the “Yahweh defeated” thing then going on a rampage.

Ignorance of Old Testament Christian roots is common among Christians. They usually don't progress much from a Sunday School understanding of Christianity.

The meltdowns this poster has is typical of autistics.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 9th, 2023 at 7:27pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 7:06pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 4:49pm:
Yeah, blaming you for his not getting the “Yahweh defeated” thing then going on a rampage.

Ignorance of Old Testament Christian roots is common among Christians. They usually don't progress much from a Sunday School understanding of Christianity.

The meltdowns this poster has is typical of autistics.


The meltdowns are very public, very loud, very pathetic.

These so–called christians don’t just not read the bible they don’t read history or literature about biblical times either. Their one huge failure to carry out the teachings of their religion—they completely lack christian charity. Their “religion” becomes a weapon. Charles Dickens put this well when he described how the antagonist in one of his novels read a bible that had hard covers and is brass bound—no christian charity there, religion as a weapon, harsh lessons only. Sorry—forgot the novel, time I reread them—might have been “The Old Curiosity Shop?”

Contrast to that the merciful god Pan in “wind in the Willows.”

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 7:59pm

Frank wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 5:57pm:
Also Frank .... whilst you’re here ... what is your take on Meister’s opinion (refer highlighted text)


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:59am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.


That is just juvenile idiocy.


That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Meister you made that ridiculous claim. Back it up.

But you can’t. Of course you can’t despite being repeatedly asked. 

So we can all safely ignore that silly ignorant comment. Good.


And you can have another read of your ridiculous claim Meister. Now you either back it up or STFU. So far all you’ve done is google irrelevant commentary which does NOT support your invented claim.

Dunno what he or you are on about.


Oh really? Funny given MEISTER WAS TALKING WITH YOU Frank when I walked into the interaction and questioned Meister about this invented rubbish 👇

ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.

And someone using the 'Frank' sock  :o :o said it was juvenile idiocy.


No you made the “juvenile idiocy” comment in relation to the earlier Meister nonsense.

Anyway Frank ... you’re stuffing around. Can you at least answer THIS question? Are YOU a Christian Atheist?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by AusGeoff on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:13pm
I think at this point in this nonsensical farrago I
need to remind people that the words "atheist"
and/or "atheism" need no additional descriptor.

I also totally reject the seven "degrees" of atheism
proposed by Richard Dawkins;

    •  Strong theist. 100% probability of God. In the
words of Carl Jung: "I do not believe, I know."

    •  De facto theist. Very high probability but short of
100%. "I don't know for certain, but I strongly believe
in God and live my life on the assumption that he is
there."

    •  Leaning towards theism. Higher than 50% but
not very high. "I am very uncertain, but I am inclined
to believe in God."

    •  Completely impartial. Exactly 50%. "God's
existence and non-existence are exactly
equiprobable."

    •  Leaning towards atheism. Lower than 50% but
not very low. "I do not know whether God exists but
I'm inclined to be skeptical."

    •  De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short
of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is
very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption
that he is not there."

    •  Strong atheist. "I know there is no God, with the
same conviction as Jung knows there is one."

Further, Dawkins says; "most atheists do not consider
themselves a 'strong atheist' because atheism arises
from a lack of evidence and evidence can always
change a thinking person's mind".

This is nonsense of course, as it's impossible to have
evidence for something that doesn't exist.

In the past, I've challenged theists to disprove a
belief that unicorns do and/or could exist, but not
one has ever answered that simple challenge.  This
despite that it's been described, since antiquity, as
a beast with a single large, pointed, spiralling horn
projecting from its forehead.   The Bible also describes
an animal, the re'em, which some translations render
as "unicorn" —as per the King James Version.

But like the entirety of the Abrahamic bible, this is
nothing more than fantasy fiction, mythology, superstition,
misrepresentation, and hallucinations.  The bible is not a
viable historic or scientific document, and not even an
accurate representation of the world two millennia ago.

The bible relies solely on an absurd belief that paranormal
phenomena and supernatural entities exists in the real world.   

     (Much laughter ensues.)


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:16pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 7:59pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 5:57pm:
Also Frank .... whilst you’re here ... what is your take on Meister’s opinion (refer highlighted text)


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:59am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.


That is just juvenile idiocy.


That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Meister you made that ridiculous claim. Back it up.

But you can’t. Of course you can’t despite being repeatedly asked. 

So we can all safely ignore that silly ignorant comment. Good.


And you can have another read of your ridiculous claim Meister. Now you either back it up or STFU. So far all you’ve done is google irrelevant commentary which does NOT support your invented claim.

Dunno what he or you are on about.


Oh really? Funny given MEISTER WAS TALKING WITH YOU Frank when I walked into the interaction and questioned Meister about this invented rubbish 👇

ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.

And someone using the 'Frank' sock  :o :o said it was juvenile idiocy.


No you made the “juvenile idiocy” comment in relation to the earlier Meister nonsense.

Anyway Frank ... you’re stuffing around. Can you at least answer THIS question? Are YOU a Christian Atheist?

No.
I am not a Christian. I am not an atheist.


I am a Spinozist.



Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:18pm

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:13pm:
I think at this point in this nonsensical farrago I
need to remind people that the words "atheist"
and/or "atheism" need no additional descriptor.

I also totally reject the seven "degrees" of atheism
proposed by Richard Dawkins;

    •  Strong theist. 100% probability of God. In the
words of Carl Jung: "I do not believe, I know."

    •  De facto theist. Very high probability but short of
100%. "I don't know for certain, but I strongly believe
in God and live my life on the assumption that he is
there."

    •  Leaning towards theism. Higher than 50% but
not very high. "I am very uncertain, but I am inclined
to believe in God."

    •  Completely impartial. Exactly 50%. "God's
existence and non-existence are exactly
equiprobable."

    •  Leaning towards atheism. Lower than 50% but
not very low. "I do not know whether God exists but
I'm inclined to be skeptical."

    •  De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short
of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is
very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption
that he is not there."

    •  Strong atheist. "I know there is no God, with the
same conviction as Jung knows there is one."

Further, Dawkins says; "most atheists do not consider
themselves a 'strong atheist' because atheism arises
from a lack of evidence and evidence can always
change a thinking person's mind".

This is nonsense of course, as it's impossible to have
evidence for something that doesn't exist.

In the past, I've challenged theists to disprove a
belief that unicorns do and/or could exist, but not
one has ever answered that simple challenge.  This
despite that it's been described, since antiquity, as
a beast with a single large, pointed, spiralling horn
projecting from its forehead.   The Bible also describes
an animal, the re'em, which some translations render
as "unicorn" —as per the King James Version.

But like the entirety of the Abrahamic bible, this is
nothing more than fantasy fiction, mythology, superstition,
misrepresentation, and hallucinations.  The bible is not a
viable historic or scientific document, and not even an
accurate representation of the world two millennia ago.

The bible relies solely on an absurd belief that paranormal
phenomena and supernatural entities exists in the real world.   

     (Much laughter ensues.)

Yet it is your culture and your morality, Guff.



Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:23pm

Frank wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 7:59pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 5:57pm:
Also Frank .... whilst you’re here ... what is your take on Meister’s opinion (refer highlighted text)


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 8:59am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 6:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 3:54pm:
Religious metaphysical claptrap was necessary with stone and Iron Age peoples because their respective gods jousted with each other for supremacy.

If one god could win battles and cause natural disasters, then a competing god had to win battles and cause natural disasters and also raise people from the dead.


That is just juvenile idiocy.


That is exactly the reason ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.


Oh yeah... when/where did that allegedly occur?


Meister you made that ridiculous claim. Back it up.

But you can’t. Of course you can’t despite being repeatedly asked. 

So we can all safely ignore that silly ignorant comment. Good.


And you can have another read of your ridiculous claim Meister. Now you either back it up or STFU. So far all you’ve done is google irrelevant commentary which does NOT support your invented claim.

Dunno what he or you are on about.


Oh really? Funny given MEISTER WAS TALKING WITH YOU Frank when I walked into the interaction and questioned Meister about this invented rubbish 👇

ancient peoples switched allegiances from an old god to a new one - as people did with Marduk of the Babylonians = the great exception being the Jews who, when Yahweh was 'defeated' by Marduk, chose to blame themselves for the defeat and not Yahweh.

And someone using the 'Frank' sock  :o :o said it was juvenile idiocy.


No you made the “juvenile idiocy” comment in relation to the earlier Meister nonsense.

Anyway Frank ... you’re stuffing around. Can you at least answer THIS question? Are YOU a Christian Atheist?

No.
I am not a Christian. I am not an atheist.


I am a Spinozist.


I had to read that twice (I’m on an iPhone).

For a moment I thought you were asking for some spanakopita 😂

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:32pm
Wiki


Spinoza defined God as "a substance consisting of infinite attributes, each of which expresses eternal and infinite essence", and since "no cause or reason" can prevent such a being from existing, it therefore must exist. This is a form of the ontological argument, which is claimed to prove the existence of God, but Spinoza went further in stating that it showed that only God exists.

Accordingly, he stated that "Whatever is, is in God, and nothing can exist or be conceived without God"

This means that God is identical with the universe, an idea which he encapsulated in the phrase "Deus sive Natura" ('God or Nature'), which has been interpreted by some as atheism or pantheism. God can be known either through the attribute of extension or the attribute of thought. Thought and extension represent giving complete accounts of the world in mental or physical terms. To this end, he says that "the mind and the body are one and the same thing, which is conceived now under the attribute of thought, now under the attribute of extension".

After stating his proof for God's existence, Spinoza addresses who "God" is. Spinoza believed that God is "the sum of the natural and physical laws of the universe and certainly not an individual entity or creator".

Spinoza attempts to prove that God is just the substance of the universe by first stating that substances do not share attributes or essences and then demonstrating that God is a "substance" with an infinite number of attributes, thus the attributes possessed by any other substances must also be possessed by God. Therefore, God is just the sum of all the substances of the universe. God is the only substance in the universe, and everything is a part of God. This view was described by Charles Hartshorne as Classical Pantheism.

Spinoza argues that "things could not have been produced by God in any other way or in any other order than is the case". Therefore, concepts such as 'freedom' and 'chance' have little meaning.

This picture of Spinoza's determinism is illuminated in Ethics: "the infant believes that it is by free will that it seeks the breast; the angry boy believes that by free will he wishes vengeance; the timid man thinks it is with free will he seeks flight; the drunkard believes that by a free command of his mind he speaks the things which when sober he wishes he had left unsaid. … All believe that they speak by a free command of the mind, whilst, in truth, they have no power to restrain the impulse which they have to speak."In his letter to G. H. Schuller (Letter 58), he wrote: "men are conscious of their desire and unaware of the causes by which [their desires] are determined."He also held that knowledge of true causes of passive emotion can transform it into an active emotion, thus anticipating one of the key ideas of Sigmund Freud's psychoanalysis.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:43pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza

Frank

Spinoza was a shunned lonely heretic who dropped out of Uni and died at a young age from silicosis. His contemporaries thought of him as an Atheist.

He even refuted the Holy Bible’s legitimacy.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:48pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:32pm:
Wiki


Spinoza defined God as "a substance consisting of infinite attributes, each of which expresses eternal and infinite essence", and since "no cause or reason" can prevent such a being from existing, it therefore must exist. This is a form of the ontological argument, which is claimed to prove the existence of God, but Spinoza went further in stating that it showed that only God exists.

Accordingly, he stated that "Whatever is, is in God, and nothing can exist or be conceived without God"

This means that God is identical with the universe, an idea which he encapsulated in the phrase "Deus sive Natura" ('God or Nature'), which has been interpreted by some as atheism or pantheism. God can be known either through the attribute of extension or the attribute of thought. Thought and extension represent giving complete accounts of the world in mental or physical terms. To this end, he says that "the mind and the body are one and the same thing, which is conceived now under the attribute of thought, now under the attribute of extension".

After stating his proof for God's existence, Spinoza addresses who "God" is. Spinoza believed that God is "the sum of the natural and physical laws of the universe and certainly not an individual entity or creator".

Spinoza attempts to prove that God is just the substance of the universe by first stating that substances do not share attributes or essences and then demonstrating that God is a "substance" with an infinite number of attributes, thus the attributes possessed by any other substances must also be possessed by God. Therefore, God is just the sum of all the substances of the universe. God is the only substance in the universe, and everything is a part of God. This view was described by Charles Hartshorne as Classical Pantheism.

Spinoza argues that "things could not have been produced by God in any other way or in any other order than is the case". Therefore, concepts such as 'freedom' and 'chance' have little meaning.

This picture of Spinoza's determinism is illuminated in Ethics: "the infant believes that it is by free will that it seeks the breast; the angry boy believes that by free will he wishes vengeance; the timid man thinks it is with free will he seeks flight; the drunkard believes that by a free command of his mind he speaks the things which when sober he wishes he had left unsaid. … All believe that they speak by a free command of the mind, whilst, in truth, they have no power to restrain the impulse which they have to speak."In his letter to G. H. Schuller (Letter 58), he wrote: "men are conscious of their desire and unaware of the causes by which [their desires] are determined."He also held that knowledge of true causes of passive emotion can transform it into an active emotion, thus anticipating one of the key ideas of Sigmund Freud's psychoanalysis.


Anybody that quotes such a huge slab of text obviously does not understand any of it.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:14pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:43pm:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza

Frank

Spinoza was a shunned lonely heretic who dropped out of Uni and died at a young age from silicosis. His contemporaries thought of him as an Atheist.

He even refuted the Holy Bible’s legitimacy.


Are you sure you’re a Spinozist?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by issuevoter on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:21am
Can't remember where in the Bible he is quoted, but Christ believed in Noah's ark.  ;D  ;D  ;D  So it does not matter whether you are Christian or Christian atheist, you still believe in dunderhead.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:36am

issuevoter wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:21am:
Can't remember where in the Bible he is quoted, but Christ believed in Noah's ark.  ;D  ;D  ;D  So it does not matter whether you are Christian or Christian atheist, you still believe in dunderhead.


Dear God .... not another clueless clown 😩😔🥺




Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:43am
Far out I’m beginning to think I’m the ONLY person left on OzPol who’s a Christian. That can’t be right. Where’s Sprint? Sprint’s not been around for some time. Sprint come back!!!!

H E L P !!!

S O S even.

🙏



Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:46am
Noah’s Ark, with kangaroos, wallabies, pademelons etc etc. I have had idiots on Twitter tell me solemnly that that was so. How can you believe in utter nonsense like that?

Noah’s Ark is just the Epic of Gilgamesh rewritten for propaganda purposes.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:50am
Anyway ... back to the topic we go


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 10:14pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:43pm:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza

Frank

Spinoza was a shunned lonely heretic who dropped out of Uni and died at a young age from silicosis. His contemporaries thought of him as an Atheist.

He even refuted the Holy Bible’s legitimacy.


Are you sure you’re a Spinozist?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 10th, 2023 at 2:36pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:43pm:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza

Frank

Spinoza was a shunned lonely heretic who dropped out of Uni and died at a young age from silicosis. His contemporaries thought of him as an Atheist.

He even refuted the Holy Bible’s legitimacy.

Well, Jesus was a shunned lonely heretic with only 12 disciples, never went to uni and was executed at the age of 33 by the Romans on the urging of his own people. His contemporaries thought of him as a heretic.
Look at him now.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 10th, 2023 at 3:07pm

Frank wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 2:36pm:
Well, Jesus was a shunned lonely heretic with only 12 disciples, never went to uni and was executed at the age of 33 by the Romans on the urging of his own people. His contemporaries thought of him as a heretic.
Look at him now.

Is he back already??!!

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jasinner on Oct 10th, 2023 at 5:08pm
;D

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by issuevoter on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:46pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:36am:

issuevoter wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:21am:
Can't remember where in the Bible he is quoted, but Christ believed in Noah's ark.  ;D  ;D  ;D  So it does not matter whether you are Christian or Christian atheist, you still believe in dunderhead.


Dear God .... not another clueless clown 😩😔🥺


Clueless. Mmm. . . So you are denying the Bible quotes Jesus on Noah's ark.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 10th, 2023 at 8:14pm

issuevoter wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:46pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:36am:

issuevoter wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:21am:
Can't remember where in the Bible he is quoted, but Christ believed in Noah's ark.  ;D  ;D  ;D  So it does not matter whether you are Christian or Christian atheist, you still believe in dunderhead.


Dear God .... not another clueless clown 😩😔🥺


Clueless. Mmm. . . So you are denying the Bible quotes Jesus on Noah's ark.


Not at all. It’s the fact that you don’t know much about it.

Anyway ... here is the relevant passage 👇

Matthew 24:37–39

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 10th, 2023 at 8:16pm

Frank wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 2:36pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:43pm:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza

Frank

Spinoza was a shunned lonely heretic who dropped out of Uni and died at a young age from silicosis. His contemporaries thought of him as an Atheist.

He even refuted the Holy Bible’s legitimacy.

Well, Jesus was a shunned lonely heretic with only 12 disciples, never went to uni and was executed at the age of 33 by the Romans on the urging of his own people. His contemporaries thought of him as a heretic.
Look at him now.


All the more reason why you should be a follower of JESUS (esp when you consider where Spinoza is now and compare that to where Jesus is now).

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by AusGeoff on Oct 10th, 2023 at 9:53pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:46am:
Noah’s Ark, with kangaroos, wallabies, pademelons etc etc. I have had idiots on Twitter tell me solemnly that that was so. How can you believe in utter nonsense like that...

For anybody who'd like to read a total refutation of
the absurd Noah's Ark story, check out THIS site.

Rational interpretations of Genesis:

God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and
decides to flood the earth to eliminate mankind. All
living things including plants, animals, women and
innocent children are also exterminated.

The size of Noah’s Ark was such that there would be
about one and a half cubic feet for each pair of the
2,000,000 to 5,000,000 species to be taken aboard.

The flood covered the entire earth at the same time.
There is no evidence of a worldwide flood, but rather
of many, widespread, but local floods.

The flood covered the earth with water fifteen cubits
(twenty plus feet) above the highest mountains.This
would require steady, worldwide rainfall at the rate of
about 6"/minute, 360"/hour, 720ft./day for 40 days
and nights, so as to cover the entire earth with an
endless ocean 5 miles deep, thus burying 29,000 ft.
Mount Everest under 22 ft. of water.    How did the
author know the depth of the water?   Did Noah take
soundings?      And where has all this water gone?

Noah’s first recorded action following the flood is to
sacrifice one of every clean animal and bird. Since so
few animals were saved, this could be considered
rather wasteful and defeating—especially given that
the stated purpose of taking the animals aboard the
Ark was to keep them alive!

    :D


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 10th, 2023 at 10:07pm

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 9:53pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:46am:
Noah’s Ark, with kangaroos, wallabies, pademelons etc etc. I have had idiots on Twitter tell me solemnly that that was so. How can you believe in utter nonsense like that...

For anybody who'd like to read a total refutation of
the absurd Noah's Ark story, check out THIS site.

Rational interpretations of Genesis:

God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and
decides to flood the earth to eliminate mankind. All
living things including plants, animals, women and
innocent children are also exterminated.

The size of Noah’s Ark was such that there would be
about one and a half cubic feet for each pair of the
2,000,000 to 5,000,000 species to be taken aboard.

The flood covered the entire earth at the same time.
There is no evidence of a worldwide flood, but rather
of many, widespread, but local floods.

The flood covered the earth with water fifteen cubits
(twenty plus feet) above the highest mountains.This
would require steady, worldwide rainfall at the rate of
about 6"/minute, 360"/hour, 720ft./day for 40 days
and nights, so as to cover the entire earth with an
endless ocean 5 miles deep, thus burying 29,000 ft.
Mount Everest under 22 ft. of water.    How did the
author know the depth of the water?   Did Noah take
soundings?      And where has all this water gone?

Noah’s first recorded action following the flood is to
sacrifice one of every clean animal and bird. Since so
few animals were saved, this could be considered
rather wasteful and defeating—especially given that
the stated purpose of taking the animals aboard the
Ark was to keep them alive!

    :D


A caricature of a caricature.
Silly people arguing with silly people about silly absurdities, missing all the while the gems of wisdom.




Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by AusGeoff on Oct 10th, 2023 at 10:12pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 8:16pm:
...All the more reason why you should be a follower of JESUS (esp when you consider where Spinoza is now and compare that to where Jesus is now).

Well, even assuming for a moment that the man
allegedly known as "Jesus" actually existed—both are
dead and buried.    And never to be resurrected LOL.

So... did Jesus exist?

An answer is suggested here.

    8-)


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by AusGeoff on Oct 10th, 2023 at 10:15pm

Frank wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 10:07pm:
...A caricature of a caricature.
Silly people arguing with silly people about silly absurdities, missing all the while the gems of wisdom.

What exactly are those "gems of wisdom" you refer to
Frank, in the tale of Noah's Ark?

It's just a fictional collection of absurdities.  End of story.

    ::)


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 10th, 2023 at 10:30pm

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 10:12pm:
Well, even assuming for a moment that the man
allegedly known as "Jesus" actually existed—both are
dead and buried.    And never to be resurrected LOL.

So... did Jesus exist?

An answer is suggested here.

    8-)

There's not much reason to doubt that Jesus existed - his mission during his lifetime was a failure - there was no reason to conjure up a fake Jesus.

Also, Paul - a highly literate diaspora Jew who knew all of Jesus' contemporaries - most particularly, James, the brother of Jesus - did not doubt that Jesus had lived and died.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 11th, 2023 at 5:52am
There may have been a half-mad Jewish preacher with the name Jesus in Hebrew, but he was just a normal person.

No evidence exists the biblical Jesus existed: the so-called census causing Joseph and Mary to have to go to Bethlehem to be counted—no record exists of it. Not a mention anywhere in the Roman accounts of the time.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 11th, 2023 at 7:51am

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 8:16pm:
...All the more reason why you should be a follower of JESUS (esp when you consider where Spinoza is now and compare that to where Jesus is now).

Well, even assuming for a moment that the man
allegedly known as "Jesus" actually existed—both are
dead and buried.    And never to be resurrected LOL.

So... did Jesus exist?

An answer is suggested here.

    8-)


And a response is required also.

1. Does the author of that article really exist? If so then how come hardly anyone knows about him? Yet everyone knows about Jesus. And Jesus never even had the internet.

2. If you look at that article closely it’s really just a scrambled eggs version of why the author (if he even exists) has convinced himself of why he BELIEVES that Jesus never existed. That’s all it is.

3. This is linked to the scrambled eggs in 2. The author (assuming he even exists) cherry picked his references (biblical/non biblical) so as to fit his personal belief induced conclusion. He’s worked backwards and that there is the hallmark sign of what I regard as a bona fide tosspot attempting to be taken seriously by those who know the entire Bible very well AND in context. And he’s failed miserably. Having said that it may well be that the target group he’s pitching at are those who aren’t very familiar with the Holy Bible. Such people will definitely fall prey to the nonsense he’s produced. Then again only the silly and gullible would take the claims made in this article seriously without conducting their own independent investigations.

Cheers


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 5:52am:
There may have been a half-mad Jewish preacher with the name Jesus in Hebrew, but he was just a normal person.

No evidence exists the biblical Jesus existed: the so-called census causing Joseph and Mary to have to go to Bethlehem to be counted—no record exists of it. Not a mention anywhere in the Roman accounts of the time.

There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.

The earliest gospel - Mark - also makes no mention of the virgin birth.

The story does not appear in Christian texts until near the end of the 1st century.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:36am
The “virgin birth” supposedly preceded by the “immaculate conception.”

That “good christian” psychopath Booby could not say who was immaculately (no original sin) conceived  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:45am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am:
There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.


Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:47am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:36am:
The “virgin birth” supposedly preceded by the “immaculate conception.”

That “good christian” psychopath Booby could not say who was immaculately (no original sin) conceived  ;D ;D ;D

According to Catholic dogma, Mary was 'immaculately conceived' - born without original sin.

It's important to remember that, apart from Paul, (and only after nearly 2 decades of bitterly arguing with the Jerusalem Council), Jesus and his contemporaries did not deviate from fundamental Judaism; the idea that any Jew would have even imagined a virgin birth story is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:49am

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 10:15pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 10:07pm:
...A caricature of a caricature.
Silly people arguing with silly people about silly absurdities, missing all the while the gems of wisdom.

What exactly are those "gems of wisdom" you refer to
Frank, in the tale of Noah's Ark?

It's just a fictional collection of absurdities.  End of story.

    ::)


Has Frank responded? If so I can’t find it.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:55am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:47am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:36am:
The “virgin birth” supposedly preceded by the “immaculate conception.”

That “good christian” psychopath Booby could not say who was immaculately (no original sin) conceived  ;D ;D ;D

According to Catholic dogma, Mary was 'immaculately conceived' - born without original sin.

It's important to remember that, apart from Paul, (and only after nearly 2 decades of bitterly arguing with the Jerusalem Council), Jesus and his contemporaries did not deviate from fundamental Judaism; the idea that any Jew would have even imagined a virgin birth story is ridiculous.


Yup, “Jesus” was a Jew pure and simple. Jesus was not a Christian.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:58am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am:
There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.


Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐

Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel - his name does not appear in Christian texts until decades later.

What the earliest texts do acknowledge is that Jesus' mother was Mary, with no mention of his father.

This absence is not explained in the earliest texts by a virgin birth, which indicates Jesus' paternity was not known or, under Judaic law, was illicit.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:00am
So Joseph was invented, hmmm.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:11am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am:
There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.


Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐


Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....


So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:15am
Mark’s gospel was the earliest? Then not having Joseph in Mark’s gospel is significant. Hmmm.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:18am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 5:52am:
There may have been a half-mad Jewish preacher with the name Jesus in Hebrew, but he was just a normal person.

No evidence exists the biblical Jesus existed: the so-called census causing Joseph and Mary to have to go to Bethlehem to be counted—no record exists of it. Not a mention anywhere in the Roman accounts of the time.

Jesus' name in Hebrew is Joshua (Yeshua). 'Jesus' is the Greek version of the name.

The Census story places, by anachronism, its date to the date of Jesus' birth.

Also, a Roman Census did not require mass movements of people to their place of birth - they were required to register themselves where they lived.

The fabrication of having to move to the father's place of birth, is to place Jesus as born in the birthplace of David - as Jusaic prophesies had stated where a great Messiah would be born.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:20am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am:
There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.


Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐


Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....


So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:27am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am:
There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.


Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐


Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....


So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.


Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:37am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am:
There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.


Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐


Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....


So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.


Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:51am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am:
There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.


Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐


Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....


So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.


Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.


He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation and scholars throughout the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which we can safely pack away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:53am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am:
There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.


Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐


Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....


So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.


Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.


He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation/ and scholars through the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which an safely be parked away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.

Can you quote the chapters/verses where Joseph is mentioned in Mark and John?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:54am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am:
There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.


Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐


Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....


So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.


Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.


He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation and scholars throughout the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which we can safely pack away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.


Oh and Joseph is specifically mentioned in Matthew, Luke and John.

I’m sure you’re quite capable in googling the relevant chapters/verses. I’m not here to play go fetch.

I’d really like to move on to Spinoza. I’m finding this particular discussion with you quite boring to be brutally honest. You do realise I have an agnostic/atheist husband ... yes? Well he has given me plenty of practice in debating all sorts of things relating to God and the Holy Bible. Free tip: Keep that in mind.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:55am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:54am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am:
There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.


Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐


Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....


So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.


Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.


He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation and scholars throughout the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which we can safely pack away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.


Oh and Joseph is specifically mentioned in Matthew Luke and John.

Can you quote the chapters/verses where Joseph is mentioned in John?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:00am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:54am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am:
There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.


Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐


Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....


So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.


Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.


He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation and scholars throughout the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which we can safely pack away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.


Oh and Joseph is specifically mentioned in Matthew, Luke and John.

I’m sure you’re quite capable in googling the relevant chapters/verses. I’m not here to play go fetch.

I’d really like to move on to Spinoza. I’m finding this particular discussion with you quite boring to be brutally honest. You do realise I have an agnostic/atheist husband ... yes? Well he has given me plenty of practice in debating all sorts of things relating to God and the Holy Bible. Free tip: Keep that in mind.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:02am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:00am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:54am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am:
There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.


Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐


Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....


So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.


Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.


He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation and scholars throughout the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which we can safely pack away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.


Oh and Joseph is specifically mentioned in Matthew, Luke and John.

I’m sure you’re quite capable in googling the relevant chapters/verses. I’m not here to play go fetch.

I’d really like to move on to Spinoza. I’m finding this particular discussion with you quite boring to be brutally honest. You do realise I have an agnostic/atheist husband ... yes? Well he has given me plenty of practice in debating all sorts of things relating to God and the Holy Bible. Free tip: Keep that in mind.

So, you can't quote the gospel of John, then.

Of course you can't - there's no mention of Joseph in the gospel of John.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:05am
Not quite right Meister:


Quote:
John's Gospel, which mentions Joseph by name twice, does not deal directly with the conception and birth of Jesus, but rather approaches his human origin in the context of eternal pre-existence:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.. The true light that enlightens everyone was coming into the world.. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us (Jn 1:1,9,14).


https://osjusa.org/st-joseph/scripture/iii-joseph-in-the-gospels-of-mark-and-john

So mentioned but largely irrelevant to the argument.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:08am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:02am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:00am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:54am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am:
There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.


Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐


Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....


So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.


Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.


He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation and scholars throughout the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which we can safely pack away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.


Oh and Joseph is specifically mentioned in Matthew, Luke and John.

I’m sure you’re quite capable in googling the relevant chapters/verses. I’m not here to play go fetch.

I’d really like to move on to Spinoza. I’m finding this particular discussion with you quite boring to be brutally honest. You do realise I have an agnostic/atheist husband ... yes? Well he has given me plenty of practice in debating all sorts of things relating to God and the Holy Bible. Free tip: Keep that in mind.

So, you can't quote the gospel of John, then.

Of course you can't - there's no mention of Joseph in the gospel of John.


It has nothing to do with the word “CAN’T

I simply WON’T be providing you with links you yourself can easily google. I’m not here to play go fetch for you! Do it yourself.

Now when can we move on to Spinoza?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:09am
Larry’s ignorance of the bible is showing.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:11am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:08am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:02am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:00am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:54am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am:
There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.


Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐


Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....


So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.


Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.


He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation and scholars throughout the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which we can safely pack away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.


Oh and Joseph is specifically mentioned in Matthew, Luke and John.

I’m sure you’re quite capable in googling the relevant chapters/verses. I’m not here to play go fetch.

I’d really like to move on to Spinoza. I’m finding this particular discussion with you quite boring to be brutally honest. You do realise I have an agnostic/atheist husband ... yes? Well he has given me plenty of practice in debating all sorts of things relating to God and the Holy Bible. Free tip: Keep that in mind.

So, you can't quote the gospel of John, then.

Of course you can't - there's no mention of Joseph in the gospel of John.


It has nothing to do with the word “CAN’T

I simply WON’T be providing you with links you yourself can easily google. I’m not here to play go fetch for you! Do it yourself.

Now when can we move on to Spinoza?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:13am
And here is the autism.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:25am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:08am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:02am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:00am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:54am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am:
There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.


Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐


Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....


So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.


Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.


He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation and scholars throughout the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which we can safely pack away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.


Oh and Joseph is specifically mentioned in Matthew, Luke and John.

I’m sure you’re quite capable in googling the relevant chapters/verses. I’m not here to play go fetch.

I’d really like to move on to Spinoza. I’m finding this particular discussion with you quite boring to be brutally honest. You do realise I have an agnostic/atheist husband ... yes? Well he has given me plenty of practice in debating all sorts of things relating to God and the Holy Bible. Free tip: Keep that in mind.

So, you can't quote the gospel of John, then.

Of course you can't - there's no mention of Joseph in the gospel of John.


It has nothing to do with the word “CAN’T

I simply WON’T be providing you with links you yourself can easily google. I’m not here to play go fetch for you! Do it yourself.

Now when can we move on to Spinoza?


Let me know when you’re ready. I have a few things to say about Spinoza actually.

I’ll check back later to see if you’ve toughened up a bit for THAT discussion.

Cheers

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:31am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:25am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:08am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:02am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:00am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:54am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:28am:
There's evidence that the Biblical Jesus is a fiction.

The first example would be his 'virgin' birth. Paul, a prolific writer who knew Jesus' contemporaries and his brother, makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth because that myth did not exist during Paul's lifetime.


Re Paul

Paul consistently omits Joseph when describing the genealogy of Jesus.

In addition, Paul later refers to Jesus as the “son of God” in the same passage from the letter to the Romans.

Paul often used this expression to describe Jesus, and Paul was consistent and clear about Jesus’ divinity throughout his letters.

If Paul believed that Jesus was born of a human mother and father, we would expect Paul to describe how a normal man, born of human parents, could be God Himself. Paul never does that, and this is consistent with the fact that Paul was aware of the virgin conception.

Look I honestly think you should just stick with Spinoza 😐


Joseph is also not mentioned in Mark's gospel....


So? Luke’s gospel does. At chapter 3. You know about Luke don’t you? The Greek doctor dude?

Seriously....just stick with Spinoza.

Decades after Jesus' death. There is no mention of Joseph prior to that time.


Joseph is mentioned in THREE GOSPELS. In LUKE we even get the CONTEXT behind who Joseph was.

Why are we even discussing this?

Joseph is mentioned in 2 gospels - Matthew and Luke; both written decades after Jesus' death.


He’s mentioned in 3 gospels.

Oh and as regards WHEN the 4 Gospels were written - it’s common knowledge that the dates proffered are pure speculation and scholars throughout the ages continue to disagree so that’s a nothing burger which we can safely pack away.

Again ... stick with Spinoza.


Oh and Joseph is specifically mentioned in Matthew, Luke and John.

I’m sure you’re quite capable in googling the relevant chapters/verses. I’m not here to play go fetch.

I’d really like to move on to Spinoza. I’m finding this particular discussion with you quite boring to be brutally honest. You do realise I have an agnostic/atheist husband ... yes? Well he has given me plenty of practice in debating all sorts of things relating to God and the Holy Bible. Free tip: Keep that in mind.

So, you can't quote the gospel of John, then.

Of course you can't - there's no mention of Joseph in the gospel of John.


It has nothing to do with the word “CAN’T

I simply WON’T be providing you with links you yourself can easily google. I’m not here to play go fetch for you! Do it yourself.

Now when can we move on to Spinoza?


Let me know when you’re ready. I have a few things to say about Spinoza actually.

I’ll check back later to see if you’ve toughened up a bit for THAT discussion.

Cheers

You'll need to refer to Frank on this one. He mentioned his being a Spinozist one of his posts.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 11th, 2023 at 10:33am
Frank/Meister ... whoever/whatever.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Bias_2012 on Oct 11th, 2023 at 11:51am
Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 haven't bumped into God yet, and they have traveled 13 billion miles so far. They haven't caught site of Allah either, as far as I know




Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by issuevoter on Oct 11th, 2023 at 12:15pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 8:14pm:

issuevoter wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:46pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:36am:

issuevoter wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 7:21am:
Can't remember where in the Bible he is quoted, but Christ believed in Noah's ark.  ;D  ;D  ;D  So it does not matter whether you are Christian or Christian atheist, you still believe in dunderhead.


Dear God .... not another clueless clown 😩😔🥺


Clueless. Mmm. . . So you are denying the Bible quotes Jesus on Noah's ark.


Not at all. It’s the fact that you don’t know much about it.

Anyway ... here is the relevant passage 👇

Matthew 24:37–39


So tell us, as you know all about.

Anyone who believes in Noah's Ark is a dunderhead, including Jesus. He might have been a decent bloke, but he was capable of believing this silly tale. That's not the son of God.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jasinner on Oct 11th, 2023 at 12:57pm
Sorry for not participating in this Topic as much.
But it just feels like I would be talking about Trans people. :P
Somewhere out there folks - there is an Atheist like Julia Gillard who identifies as a Christian if the price is right. ;)

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 11th, 2023 at 1:24pm
Noah’s Ark is just the Epic of Gilgamesh rebadged.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 11th, 2023 at 1:27pm
Flood myths are common around the world.

Even Plato wrote of one - the fate of Atlantis.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 11th, 2023 at 2:07pm
And some still keep looking for Atlantis or the Ark. Brainwashed idiots!

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by AusGeoff on Oct 11th, 2023 at 11:38pm

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 8:16pm:
...All the more reason why you should be a follower of JESUS (esp when you consider where Spinoza is now and compare that to where Jesus is now).

Well, even assuming for a moment that the man
allegedly known as "Jesus" actually existed—both are
dead and buried.    And never to be resurrected LOL.

So... did Jesus exist?

An answer is suggested here.

And a response is required also.

1. Does the author of that article really exist? If so then how come hardly anyone knows about him? Yet everyone knows about Jesus. And Jesus never even had the internet.

     Yes, of course Frank Zindler does exist.   
     What an absurd question.  In fact he's written
     17 books, versus zero for the man allegedly
     named "Jesus".

2. If you look at that article closely it’s really just a scrambled eggs version of why the author (if he even exists) has convinced himself of why he BELIEVES that Jesus never existed. That’s all it is.

     I'm afraid this comment defies all logic.  Christians   
     of course also merely BELIEVE that Jesus existed.
     They have no empirical evidence supporting this belief.

3. The author (assuming he even exists) cherry picked his references (biblical/non biblical) so as to fit his personal belief induced conclusion.

     In exactly the same way that theists do?  Yes?   No?

This is a photograph of author Frank Zindler...

    

          Can you please post a photograph of Jesus?   Thanks.



Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 6:59am
This was my response. In its entirety. Context is everything.


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 7:51am:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 8:16pm:
...All the more reason why you should be a follower of JESUS (esp when you consider where Spinoza is now and compare that to where Jesus is now).

Well, even assuming for a moment that the man
allegedly known as "Jesus" actually existed—both are
dead and buried.    And never to be resurrected LOL.

So... did Jesus exist?

An answer is suggested here.

    8-)


And a response is required also.

1. Does the author of that article really exist? If so then how come hardly anyone knows about him? Yet everyone knows about Jesus. And Jesus never even had the internet.

2. If you look at that article closely it’s really just a scrambled eggs version of why the author (if he even exists) has convinced himself of why he BELIEVES that Jesus never existed. That’s all it is.

3. This is linked to the scrambled eggs in 2. The author (assuming he even exists) cherry picked his references (biblical/non biblical) so as to fit his personal belief induced conclusion. He’s worked backwards and that there is the hallmark sign of what I regard as a bona fide tosspot attempting to be taken seriously by those who know the entire Bible very well AND in context. And he’s failed miserably. Having said that it may well be that the target group he’s pitching at are those who aren’t very familiar with the Holy Bible. Such people will definitely fall prey to the nonsense he’s produced. Then again only the silly and gullible would take the claims made in this article seriously without conducting their own independent investigations.

Cheers


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 12th, 2023 at 7:41am

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 11:38pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 8:16pm:
...All the more reason why you should be a follower of JESUS (esp when you consider where Spinoza is now and compare that to where Jesus is now).

Well, even assuming for a moment that the man
allegedly known as "Jesus" actually existed—both are
dead and buried.    And never to be resurrected LOL.

So... did Jesus exist?

An answer is suggested here.

And a response is required also.

1. Does the author of that article really exist? If so then how come hardly anyone knows about him? Yet everyone knows about Jesus. And Jesus never even had the internet.

     Yes, of course Frank Zindler does exist.   
     What an absurd question.  In fact he's written
     17 books, versus zero for the man allegedly
     named "Jesus".

2. If you look at that article closely it’s really just a scrambled eggs version of why the author (if he even exists) has convinced himself of why he BELIEVES that Jesus never existed. That’s all it is.

     I'm afraid this comment defies all logic.  Christians   
     of course also merely BELIEVE that Jesus existed.
     They have no empirical evidence supporting this belief.

3. The author (assuming he even exists) cherry picked his references (biblical/non biblical) so as to fit his personal belief induced conclusion.

     In exactly the same way that theists do?  Yes?   No?

This is a photograph of author Frank Zindler...

    

          Can you please post a photograph of Jesus?   Thanks.



This is a very silly argument.

Did the Buddha exist? 

Do the ideas of Love, Hope, Charity exist empirically? Do the ideas of the Ten Commandment exist even if there is zero empirical evidence of the tablets they were supposed to have been written on? Did Plato wrote down what Socrates and his companions actually said? What's the empirical evidence for the Socratic Dialogues' authenticity? Is all poetry and literature, myths, parablex just lies since they are all made up?


This insistence of empirical evidence for things that are obviously NOT of a physical natur es is very jejune. You can just hear the 12 year old's mentality behind it.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 7:50am
According to AusGeoff’s “logic”

In 200 years (or less) when no photo can be found of AusGeoff then that’s THE proof that AusGeoff never existed. And those who believe that he did exist are idiots.

Oh and even if A photo was produced once again we wouldn’t know if it was AusGeoff anyway. We would need more proof to prove that the photo was of AusGeoff. We’re in vicious cycles of proving the authenticity of proofs territory now.

Okkkkay. Next!



Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 8:00am
1st Yr Philosophy and the associated discussions our lectures provoked were fun when I was at Uni (most probably because back then I was a teenager and my frontal lobe - which governs high level logic and reasoning was still developing).

These days I find it all pretty bloody boring.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 12th, 2023 at 8:28am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 7:50am:
According to AusGeoff’s “logic”

In 200 years (or less) when no photo can be found of AusGeoff then that’s THE proof that AusGeoff never existed. And those who believe that he did exist are idiots.

Oh and even if A photo was produced once again we wouldn’t know if it was AusGeoff anyway. We would need more proof to prove that the photo was of AusGeoff. We’re in vicious cycles of proving the authenticity of proofs territory now.

Okkkkay. Next!


Birth certificate
Marriage certificate
Death certificate

Can you produce these for Jesus?

Birth certificate? The census that required Joseph (in 2 gospels) to go to Bethlehem never happened so scratch birth certificate.

Marriage certificate—marriage to the Magdelene probably happened not recorded anywhere tho. Couplekids likely.

Death certificate–no record of such a trial by Pontius Pilate so scratch death certificate.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:08am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 8:28am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 7:50am:
According to AusGeoff’s “logic”

In 200 years (or less) when no photo can be found of AusGeoff then that’s THE proof that AusGeoff never existed. And those who believe that he did exist are idiots.

Oh and even if A photo was produced once again we wouldn’t know if it was AusGeoff anyway. We would need more proof to prove that the photo was of AusGeoff. We’re in vicious cycles of proving the authenticity of proofs territory now.

Okkkkay. Next!


Birth certificate
Marriage certificate
Death certificate

Can you produce these for Jesus?

Birth certificate? The census that required Joseph (in 2 gospels) to go to Bethlehem never happened so scratch birth certificate.

Marriage certificate—marriage to the Magdelene probably happened not recorded anywhere tho. Couplekids likely.

Death certificate–no record of such a trial by Pontius Pilate so scratch death certificate.



;D ;D :D :D :D
Venezuelan Dictator Nicolás Maduro on Hamas Terror: ‘Jesus Christ Was an Anti-Imperialist Palestinian’


Happy?


Do you have Julius Caesar's birth certificate, juvenile? Any of your own ancestors from biblical times?

No.




Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:10am
There is evidence that Julius Caesar lived.

NONE for Jesus.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:20am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:10am:
There is evidence that Julius Caesar lived.

NONE for Jesus.

What is your evidence?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:27am
The best evidence for Jesus' existence is found in Acts.

Paul documented his bitter arguments with the Jerusalem Council, particularly with James, the brother of Jesus.

Paul, arguing for his status among the apostles, concedes that members of the Jerusalem Council knew Jesus in the flesh - a concession given with almost contempt for them, as he knows the living Jesus in the spirit, which he considers to be the real Jesus. and that Jesus - in the spirit - had called him to his ministry.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:00pm

Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:08am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 8:28am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 7:50am:
According to AusGeoff’s “logic”

In 200 years (or less) when no photo can be found of AusGeoff then that’s THE proof that AusGeoff never existed. And those who believe that he did exist are idiots.

Oh and even if A photo was produced once again we wouldn’t know if it was AusGeoff anyway. We would need more proof to prove that the photo was of AusGeoff. We’re in vicious cycles of proving the authenticity of proofs territory now.

Okkkkay. Next!


Birth certificate
Marriage certificate
Death certificate

Can you produce these for Jesus?

Birth certificate? The census that required Joseph (in 2 gospels) to go to Bethlehem never happened so scratch birth certificate.

Marriage certificate—marriage to the Magdelene probably happened not recorded anywhere tho. Couplekids likely.

Death certificate–no record of such a trial by Pontius Pilate so scratch death certificate.



;D ;D :D :D :D
Venezuelan Dictator Nicolás Maduro on Hamas Terror: ‘Jesus Christ Was an Anti-Imperialist Palestinian’


Happy?


Do you have Julius Caesar's birth certificate, juvenile? Any of your own ancestors from biblical times?

No.


😂🤣😆😂🤣😆

It’s like arguing with a 7 yr old. A very dumb 7 yr old. God I hope I never live to be his age (80) AND be as dumb as Dumbarse Drunk. 😩

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:03pm

Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:10am:
There is evidence that Julius Caesar lived.

NONE for Jesus.

What is your evidence?


The evidence that Dumbarse Drunk once existed 👇

• lots of empty alcohol bottles

• lots of massive unpaid debts


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:08pm

Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:10am:
There is evidence that Julius Caesar lived.

NONE for Jesus.

What is your evidence?


You think Julius Caesar, destroyer of the Roman Republic, is not documented?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:12pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:10am:
There is evidence that Julius Caesar lived.

NONE for Jesus.

What is your evidence?


You think Julius Caesar, destroyer of the Roman Republic, is not documented?

Jesus is documented.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:17pm
Nope. The tales of his birth in Bethlehem are just. . .tales.

No judgement by Pontius Pilate re Jesus ever happened.

All just stories.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:18pm
Frank - think 7 yr old dumb kid mentality. You’ll be here all day/all night and STILL get nowhere with Ozpol’s alcoholic nutjob and confirmed forum thief. Actually most of us have given up on the dumbarse. We just pretend he’s not even online by posting over him.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:19pm
That’s right Sore End, listen to the forum junky! LOL!

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:20pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:18pm:
Frank - think 7 yr old dumb kid mentality. You’ll be here all day/all night and STILL get nowhere with Ozpol’s alcoholic nutjob and confirmed forum thief. Actually most of us have given up on the dumbarse. We just pretend he’s not even online by posting over him.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:21pm
You see the autism—thinks it knows everything and engages in repetitive behavior, yeah, really someone to listen to  ::)

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:26pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:18pm:
Frank - think 7 yr old dumb kid mentality. You’ll be here all day/all night and STILL get nowhere with Ozpol’s alcoholic nutjob and confirmed forum thief. Actually most of us have given up on the dumbarse. We just pretend he’s not even online by posting over him.


Or we make fun of both him AND his arse licking Abo dumbarse dole bludging drug addict mong pal.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:30pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:27am:
The best evidence for Jesus' existence is found in Acts.

Paul documented his bitter arguments with the Jerusalem Council, particularly with James, the brother of Jesus.

Paul, arguing for his status among the apostles, concedes that members of the Jerusalem Council knew Jesus in the flesh - a concession given with almost contempt for them, as he knows the living Jesus in the spirit, which he considers to be the real Jesus. and that Jesus - in the spirit - had called him to his ministry.


Ahhh ... now that IS a marvellous part of the Holy Bible. The intersecting of past and present prominent figures of early Christianity.

An issue for Atheists/Agnostics (and those in between) 👉 the non acceptance of the Holy Bible as a source document.

Note : THIS is a continuous source of contention btwn myself and my husband ( the agnostic/atheist OR atheist/agnostic depending on how he feels that day) 😩🥺😔

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:31pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:17pm:
Nope. The tales of his birth in Bethlehem are just. . .tales.

No judgement by Pontius Pilate re Jesus ever happened.

All just stories.

The virgin birth and Jesus' birth in Bethlehem are certainly myths.

The crucifixion on the orders of Pilate, however, is likely true. What is almost certainly a myth is that Pilate suffered a crisis of conscience over ordering the execution of Jesus.

Pilate was brutal even by Roman standards, so the notion that he dithered or went through some hand-wringing over executing yet one more Jewish insurrectionist is laughable.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:33pm
Any evidence for PP’s order?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:36pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:31pm:
The virgin birth and Jesus' birth in Bethlehem are certainly myths.


IN YOUR PERSONAL OPINION.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:39pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:30pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:27am:
The best evidence for Jesus' existence is found in Acts.

Paul documented his bitter arguments with the Jerusalem Council, particularly with James, the brother of Jesus.

Paul, arguing for his status among the apostles, concedes that members of the Jerusalem Council knew Jesus in the flesh - a concession given with almost contempt for them, as he knows the living Jesus in the spirit, which he considers to be the real Jesus. and that Jesus - in the spirit - had called him to his ministry.


Ahhh ... now that IS a marvellous part of the Holy Bible. The intersecting of past and present prominent figures of early Christianity.

An issue for Atheists/Agnostics (and those in between) 👉 the non acceptance of the Holy Bible as a source document.

Note : THIS is a continuous source of contention btwn myself and my husband ( the agnostic/atheist OR atheist/agnostic depending on how he feels that day) 😩🥺😔


Hang on...aren’t you supposed to be an atheist Meister?

Your post isn’t coming from either an atheist OR an agnostic viewpoint. If anything your post suggests a Christian perspective.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:51pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:33pm:
Any evidence for PP’s order?

It's largely accepted that Jesus' disruption of temple proceedings is true.

If he did, it's certain that he would been aware he was flirting with arrest and execution.

The Temple Sanhedrin worked in cooperation with the Roman authorities who held the Sanhedrin's ceremonial robes and objects of office, which were handed to the Sanhedrin when they were required to officiate at the Temple. This kept the Sanhedrin in their place. Also, the Romans took a cut from temple taxes the Sanhedrin collected, (temple taxes being the reason Jesus disrupted the temple proceedings, and called the Sanhedrin thieves), so any disruption to this was dealt with severely by the Roman authorities.

However, Jesus was almost unknown in Jerusalem - being from the backward region of Galilee and, initially, no one was sure who he was.

It's possible Pilate sent him first to Herod as an act of feigned deference to Herod, who apparently did not want to be a part of it - possibly because Jesus' brother, James, was highly respected by the Sanhedrin and Jews in Jerusalem as righteous, just and zealous for the law. James was known as 'camel knees' due to the calluses that had grown from all his prostrations at the temple. He was dedicated to poverty and wore rags to demonstrate that all he owned and earned was gifted to the poor,

In any event, Jesus was returned to Pilate for judgment.

Given the person Pilate was, it would have taken him less than 10 seconds to condemn him to crucifixion.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:01pm
So no evidence.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:17pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:01pm:
So no evidence.

Given Paul, James and all the apostles accept that Jesus died by crucifixion, it lends credence to the story.

Crucifixion was practised in the region by the Romans alone, so it's certain that if the crucifixion happened, then the Romans carried it out.

Crucifixion was the worst possible form of punishment and humiliation and was reserved, almost exclusively, for insurrection against Rome.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:24pm
Crucifixion in the region was previously practised by the Ancient Greeks and Persians. The Romans continued the terrible tradition. The Roman Emperor Constantine the Great stopped it in 337.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:41pm

Quote:
Given Paul, James and all the apostles accept that Jesus died by crucifixion, it lends credence to the story.


That isn’t evidence.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:52pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:41pm:

Quote:
Given Paul, James and all the apostles accept that Jesus died by crucifixion, it lends credence to the story.


That isn’t evidence.

Paul does not appear to detail any myths about Jesus in his writings that he does not believe. For example, Paul does not mention Jesus' virgin birth or Jesus' birth in Bethlehem - likely because no one at the time was claiming that Jesus was born in Bethlehem or of a virgin.

Paul is certain that Jesus was crucified and, given his role in the persecution of the Jerusalem community and his working relationships with the Sanhedrin, he would have had access to first-hand knowledge of the fate of the community's leader.

Initially, he totally rejected the story of Jesus' resurrection, although when be converted to the Jerusalem Community he accepted it.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:56pm
So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 12th, 2023 at 4:15pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:52pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:41pm:

Quote:
Given Paul, James and all the apostles accept that Jesus died by crucifixion, it lends credence to the story.


That isn’t evidence.

Paul does not appear to detail any myths about Jesus in his writings that he does not believe. For example, Paul does not mention Jesus' virgin birth or Jesus' birth in Bethlehem - likely because no one at the time was claiming that Jesus was born in Bethlehem or of a virgin.

Paul is certain that Jesus was crucified and, given his role in the persecution of the Jerusalem community and his working relationships with the Sanhedrin, he would have had access to first-hand knowledge of the fate of the community's leader.

Initially, he totally rejected the story of Jesus' resurrection, although when be converted to the Jerusalem Community he accepted it.


Nah, just no real evidence.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 4:26pm
So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 12th, 2023 at 6:34pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 4:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:52pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:41pm:

Quote:
Given Paul, James and all the apostles accept that Jesus died by crucifixion, it lends credence to the story.


That isn’t evidence.

Paul does not appear to detail any myths about Jesus in his writings that he does not believe. For example, Paul does not mention Jesus' virgin birth or Jesus' birth in Bethlehem - likely because no one at the time was claiming that Jesus was born in Bethlehem or of a virgin.

Paul is certain that Jesus was crucified and, given his role in the persecution of the Jerusalem community and his working relationships with the Sanhedrin, he would have had access to first-hand knowledge of the fate of the community's leader.

Initially, he totally rejected the story of Jesus' resurrection, although when be converted to the Jerusalem Community he accepted it.


Nah, just no real evidence.

What are your criteria for real evidence?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 12th, 2023 at 6:39pm
Not the scribblings of a set of cutists. Some real historical record.

No sign of any order by Pontius Pilate re “Jesus.”

No sign of any census requiring J&M to head for Bethlehem.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 12th, 2023 at 6:42pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:17pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:01pm:
So no evidence.

Given Paul, James and all the apostles accept that Jesus died by crucifixion, it lends credence to the story.

Crucifixion was practised in the region by the Romans alone, so it's certain that if the crucifixion happened, then the Romans carried it out.

Crucifixion was the worst possible form of punishment and humiliation and was reserved, almost exclusively, for insurrection against Rome.


https://youtu.be/9knToyK-wUs

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 12th, 2023 at 7:01pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 6:39pm:
Not the scribblings of a set of cutists. Some real historical record.

No sign of any order by Pontius Pilate re “Jesus.”

No sign of any census requiring J&M to head for Bethlehem.

Would you agree that Paul existed?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 8:24pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 6:42pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:17pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:01pm:
So no evidence.

Given Paul, James and all the apostles accept that Jesus died by crucifixion, it lends credence to the story.

Crucifixion was practised in the region by the Romans alone, so it's certain that if the crucifixion happened, then the Romans carried it out.

Crucifixion was the worst possible form of punishment and humiliation and was reserved, almost exclusively, for insurrection against Rome.


https://youtu.be/9knToyK-wUs


Meister : Incorrect. The Greeks and Persians initiated and maintained the dreadful practice of crucifixion. The Romans merely copied them. If anything the Romans STOPPED crucifixions (Emperor Constantine the Great was responsible for abolishing them).


Greg : Could you behave? I feel like I’m some bloody school teacher lol.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 12th, 2023 at 8:42pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 8:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 6:42pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:17pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:01pm:
So no evidence.

Given Paul, James and all the apostles accept that Jesus died by crucifixion, it lends credence to the story.

Crucifixion was practised in the region by the Romans alone, so it's certain that if the crucifixion happened, then the Romans carried it out.

Crucifixion was the worst possible form of punishment and humiliation and was reserved, almost exclusively, for insurrection against Rome.


Meister : Incorrect. The Greeks and Persians initiated and maintained the dreadful practice of crucifixion. The Romans merely copied them. If anything the Romans STOPPED crucifixions (Emperor Constantine the Great was responsible for abolishing them).

In the 1st century, the Romans were the only governing people practising crucifixion in the region. Constantine was born over 200 years after the early to mid 1st century.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:00pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 7:01pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 6:39pm:
Not the scribblings of a set of cutists. Some real historical record.

No sign of any order by Pontius Pilate re “Jesus.”

No sign of any census requiring J&M to head for Bethlehem.

Would you agree that Paul existed?


Haven’t read the bible for like an eternity. Paul is the guy JC appeared to in a vision?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 6:42pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:17pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:01pm:
So no evidence.

Given Paul, James and all the apostles accept that Jesus died by crucifixion, it lends credence to the story.

Crucifixion was practised in the region by the Romans alone, so it's certain that if the crucifixion happened, then the Romans carried it out.

Crucifixion was the worst possible form of punishment and humiliation and was reserved, almost exclusively, for insurrection against Rome.


https://youtu.be/9knToyK-wUs


That is a hilarious sketch. Incontinentia Buttocks.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 10:08pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 8:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 6:42pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:17pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:01pm:
So no evidence.

Given Paul, James and all the apostles accept that Jesus died by crucifixion, it lends credence to the story.

Crucifixion was practised in the region by the Romans alone, so it's certain that if the crucifixion happened, then the Romans carried it out.

Crucifixion was the worst possible form of punishment and humiliation and was reserved, almost exclusively, for insurrection against Rome.


Meister : Incorrect. The Greeks and Persians initiated and maintained the dreadful practice of crucifixion. The Romans merely copied them. If anything the Romans STOPPED crucifixions (Emperor Constantine the Great was responsible for abolishing them).

In the 1st century, the Romans were the only governing people practising crucifixion in the region. Constantine was born over 200 years after the early to mid 1st century.


That’s not what you stated earlier. Next time be specific or else I’ll come after you again. And you will not enjoy it either. 😐

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 12th, 2023 at 10:10pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by AusGeoff on Oct 12th, 2023 at 11:57pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:00pm:
...It’s like arguing with a 7 yr old. A very dumb 7 yr old. God I hope I never live to be his age (80) AND be as dumb as Dumbarse Drunk.

This is really a pretty poor response Lisa.

I can understand that modern science has backed
religionists of all colours into an inescapable corner
with nowhere to go, but desperate, puerile insults
do absolutely nothing to reinforce their apparent
claims that a man known as "Jesus" actually existed,
or that atheism could not or does not exist without
a cause
—that is, that God or gods could be legitimately
claimed to exist.

Of course I was only joking about you posting a photo
of Jesus, but I was just making the point—contrary to
what you purported—that Frank Zindler may not even
exist:  He obviously does, as seen by thousands of
people in 2023.    Easily provable.    Not so "Jesus".

And of course there is no such viable, corporeal, tangible
or unambiguous evidence that a man known as "Jesus"
ever existed—specifically as recorded in the bible. Even
Mathew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul never actually saw
or spoke with "Jesus" before he was allegedly executed.

Final question Lisa:  Do you accept that atheism exists
as defined by atheists?  Or, if not, then why not?




Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:30am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:53am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 10:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 8:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 6:42pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:17pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:01pm:
So no evidence.

Given Paul, James and all the apostles accept that Jesus died by crucifixion, it lends credence to the story.

Crucifixion was practised in the region by the Romans alone, so it's certain that if the crucifixion happened, then the Romans carried it out.

Crucifixion was the worst possible form of punishment and humiliation and was reserved, almost exclusively, for insurrection against Rome.


Meister : Incorrect. The Greeks and Persians initiated and maintained the dreadful practice of crucifixion. The Romans merely copied them. If anything the Romans STOPPED crucifixions (Emperor Constantine the Great was responsible for abolishing them).

In the 1st century, the Romans were the only governing people practising crucifixion in the region. Constantine was born over 200 years after the early to mid 1st century.


That’s not what you stated earlier. Next time be specific or else I’ll come after you again. And you will not enjoy it either. 😐

Aww what a wanker

An autistic mini-tant.

Hubcaps stopped spinning?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:00am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:01am
Yeah, who does not know Constantine lived well after the time JC is said to have lived? A dumbarse like Larry.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:02am
The other question go be answered: when JC is mentioned we are talking of an ordinary half-crazy preacher, right, not the “son of god.”

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:10am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say?



Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:11am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 8:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 6:42pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:17pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:01pm:
So no evidence.

Given Paul, James and all the apostles accept that Jesus died by crucifixion, it lends credence to the story.

Crucifixion was practised in the region by the Romans alone, so it's certain that if the crucifixion happened, then the Romans carried it out.

Crucifixion was the worst possible form of punishment and humiliation and was reserved, almost exclusively, for insurrection against Rome.


Meister : Incorrect. The Greeks and Persians initiated and maintained the dreadful practice of crucifixion. The Romans merely copied them. If anything the Romans STOPPED crucifixions (Emperor Constantine the Great was responsible for abolishing them).

In the 1st century, the Romans were the only governing people practising crucifixion in the region. Constantine was born over 200 years after the early to mid 1st century.


That’s not what you stated earlier. Next time be specific or else I’ll come after you again. And you will not enjoy it either. 😐

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:59am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:02am:
The other question go be answered: when JC is mentioned we are talking of an ordinary half-crazy preacher, right, not the “son of god.”

Well, Jesus the man as opposed to the Christ, or Jesus (Joshua/ Yeshua/ Issa etc) of faith.

The latter is whoever the culture that acknowledges him imagines he is.

I saw a mosaic of Christ images from every culture in the world and, as you'd expect, his image depends on how the respective culture imagines him to be.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 7:25am
Yes, In saw plenty of statues and paintings of “Christ on the Cross” and they made him look like a pansy, a very whiteskinned/brown haired pansy!

I am talking about a normal, partly crazy preacher. Since there is no evidence God/gods/demigods exist I obviously do not believe any “Son of God” nonsense.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 7:28am
Having said that, there is no record of any such order by PP.

When constructing the cult why would they not use crucifixion, common enough around 30BC or so.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 13th, 2023 at 7:39am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 7:25am:
I am talking about a normal, partly crazy preacher. Since there is no evidence God/gods/demigods exist I obviously do not believe any “Son of God” nonsense.

The appellation 'son of God' in the Hebrew sense (and referred to in the Old Testament) was used to refer to someone who was favoured by god, not the literal son of a god - that was a leap that non-Jews made and whose respective cultures accepted that humans could be deified or be born of a god.



Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 13th, 2023 at 7:51am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 7:28am:
Having said that, there is no record of any such order by PP.

When constructing the cult why would they not use crucifixion, common enough around 30BC or so.

If it was just a myth, then Paul's unequivocal acceptance that Jesus existed and died by crucifixion needs to be explained given he had access to first-hand eyewitness accounts and given he arrives on the scene only a few years after the crucifixion and works with the Sanhedrin to suppress and extinguish the Jerusalem community.

Post-conversion, Paul then sets to work on converting and contorting the crucifixion, not as a catastrophe, but as the point of Jesus' mission - he makes the claim that Jesus was the last sacrificial 'lamb' who died to take away the sins of the world by his sacrifice - no further temple sacrifices were necessary as Jesus, by his crucifixion, had paid the debt to Yahweh for all time.

Such were the metaphysical leaps that Paul made to reconcile the outcome of Jesus' being a failed messiah (by Jewish standards) with Paul's notion of Jesus being a redeemer of the world.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 8:27am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 7:39am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 7:25am:
I am talking about a normal, partly crazy preacher. Since there is no evidence God/gods/demigods exist I obviously do not believe any “Son of God” nonsense.

The appellation 'son of God' in the Hebrew sense (and referred to in the Old Testament) was used to refer to someone who was favoured by god, not the literal son of a god - that was a leap that non-Jews made and whose respective cultures accepted that humans could be deified or be born of a god.


Oh, I see. Did not know that.

Still don’t believe in it since I do not believe God exists.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 8:28am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 7:51am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 7:28am:
Having said that, there is no record of any such order by PP.

When constructing the cult why would they not use crucifixion, common enough around 30BC or so.

If it was just a myth, then Paul's unequivocal acceptance that Jesus existed and died by crucifixion needs to be explained given he had access to first-hand eyewitness accounts and given he arrives on the scene only a few years after the crucifixion and works with the Sanhedrin to suppress and extinguish the Jerusalem community.

Post-conversion, Paul then sets to work on converting and contorting the crucifixion, not as a catastrophe, but as the point of Jesus' mission - he makes the claim that Jesus was the last sacrificial 'lamb' who died to take away the sins of the world by his sacrifice - no further temple sacrifices were necessary as Jesus, by his crucifixion, had paid the debt to Yahweh for all time.

Such were the metaphysical leaps that Paul made to reconcile the outcome of Jesus' being a failed messiah (by Jewish standards) with Paul's notion of Jesus being a redeemer of the world.


Just building the cult.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 13th, 2023 at 8:40am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 8:28am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 7:51am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 7:28am:
Having said that, there is no record of any such order by PP.

When constructing the cult why would they not use crucifixion, common enough around 30BC or so.

If it was just a myth, then Paul's unequivocal acceptance that Jesus existed and died by crucifixion needs to be explained given he had access to first-hand eyewitness accounts and given he arrives on the scene only a few years after the crucifixion and works with the Sanhedrin to suppress and extinguish the Jerusalem community.

Post-conversion, Paul then sets to work on converting and contorting the crucifixion, not as a catastrophe, but as the point of Jesus' mission - he makes the claim that Jesus was the last sacrificial 'lamb' who died to take away the sins of the world by his sacrifice - no further temple sacrifices were necessary as Jesus, by his crucifixion, had paid the debt to Yahweh for all time.

Such were the metaphysical leaps that Paul made to reconcile the outcome of Jesus' being a failed messiah (by Jewish standards) with Paul's notion of Jesus being a redeemer of the world.


Just building the cult.

Using modern terminology, Paul was building a cult - the Christ cult.

That Paul's notion of Jesus was just outright heresy in the Jewish mind was made clear by the showdown Paul had with James, the brother of Jesus.

James confronts Paul about what he'd been teaching non-Jews about Jesus as the Christ and Paul, uncharacteristically, defers to James during the meeting.

Of course, Paul had no intention of undoing his Christ theology as by then Paul's followers were already referred to as Christians, (or the tribe of Christians as Josephus refers to them).


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 8:44am
That is as I understood it but I haven’t read the bible since some time in the 1960s so details are vague.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 8:47am
Vaguely remember sermons based on “the Epistle of St Paul to the Galatiens” or something like that.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 13th, 2023 at 9:18am
That Paul's theology survives while the beliefs of James and those of the Jerusalem Community do not is an accident of history.

After the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem by the Romans in AD70, (a few years before which both Paul and Peter had been executed and James had been murdered) any adherence to or espousal of Jewish religious thought was punishable by death.

However, by the late 1st century with Roman rule across the empire restabilised, and after the anti-Jewish hysteria had somewhat ebbed, typical human curiosity took hold about what this cult of Christianity had been all about and, lo and behold, the teachings of early Christianity's most prolific writer - Paul and other Pauline Christians such as Luke - dominated the literature available. The teachings of the Jerusalem community had largely been lost not least because most of its followers were illiterate and had used the oral tradition to transmit its message.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 13th, 2023 at 9:23am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 8:47am:
Vaguely remember

That's you in a nutshell, nutty juvenile.
Vague, half-remembering, foggy.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 9:32am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 9:18am:
That Paul's theology survives while the beliefs of James and those of the Jerusalem Community do not is an accident of history.

After the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem by the Romans in AD70, (a few years before which both Paul and Peter had been executed and James had been murdered) any adherence to or espousal of Jewish religious thought was punishable by death.

However, by the late 1st century with Roman rule across the empire restabilised, and after the anti-Jewish hysteria had somewhat ebbed, typical human curiosity took hold about what this cult of Christianity had been all about and, lo and behold, the teachings of early Christianity's most prolific writer - Paul and other Pauline Christians such as Luke - dominated the literature available. The teachings of the Jerusalem community had largely been lost not least because most of its followers were illiterate and had used the oral tradition to transmit its message.


Yeah, exodus and destruction of the temple changed things in the “Holy land.”

Now they are trying to make it Jewish again.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 13th, 2023 at 9:41am
With the resurgence of interest in the cult of Christianity in the late 1st century, came the inevitable demand for more information about the life of its central figure.

Almost nothing had been written about the life of Jesus during his lifetime and little detail was recorded after his death. With the exception of the (lost) hypothesised Q gospel and the gospel of Mark, no single, coherent account existed of the circumstances of Jesus' birth or early life, so the race was on to create a single cohesive Jesus narrative.

There are competing gospels, (other than the now well-known four), that made claims about Jesus' life and other key figures of the Jerusalem community,  but none were thorough or necessarily in agreement with each other.

It's clear that Jesus was an elusive figure to 1st-century peoples, not because he didn't exist, but more likely because his ministry was not important or momentous enough during his lifetime to warrant literate people documenting it.

That and the fact that all Jewish writings were largely destroyed by the avenging Romans after they'd destroyed the temple, razed Jerusalem and expelled the Jews from what they called Palestine.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 10:15am

Quote:
It's clear that Jesus was an elusive figure to 1st-century peoples, not because he didn't exist, but more likely because his ministry was not important or momentous enough during his lifetime to warrant literate people documenting it.


Plenty of half mad preachers wandering Palestine.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 13th, 2023 at 10:15am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:10am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 13th, 2023 at 10:26am

Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 9:23am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 8:47am:
Vaguely remember

That's you in a nutshell, nutty juvenile.
Vague, half-remembering, foggy.


Ozpol’s forum thief and long term alcoholic Dumbarse Drunk is 80 yrs old and known to be suffering from dementia. That’s why he mutters to himself in his padded cell of a sub forum for hours and hours each day. It’s pretty much his online reclusive nursing home.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 10:28am
I am 76.

Only you say you think I have dementia.

The rest of your crap is also wrong.

Do you ever notice, junky, that no one gives a crap about your screaming abuse at me? Your credibility would be below zero.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 13th, 2023 at 10:31am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 10:26am:

Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 9:23am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 8:47am:
Vaguely remember

That's you in a nutshell, nutty juvenile.
Vague, half-remembering, foggy.


Ozpol’s forum thief and long term alcoholic Dumbarse Drunk is 80 yrs old and known to be suffering from dementia. That’s why he mutters to himself in his padded cell of a sub forum for hours and hours each day. It’s pretty much his online reclusive nursing home.


Just post over him and treat the tosspot as though he isn’t even online is the advice given by OzPol GMods.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 10:44am
BUT you do not post over me, junky, you respond to me  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 13th, 2023 at 11:09am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 10:44am:
BUT you do not post over me, junky, you respond to me  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Her carry-on here is par for the course with female autistics - it's how you can be reasonably sure the poster is female... that, or a very bitchy effeminate autistic male.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 11:15am
That is maybe why he catfished Booby, another effeminate bloke.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 11:16am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 11:09am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 10:44am:
BUT you do not post over me, junky, you respond to me  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Her carry-on here is par for the course with female autistics - it's how you can be reasonably sure the poster is female... that, or a very bitchy effeminate autistic male.


Interesting.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 11:20am
The bloody mods should keep him/her a bit more restrained FFS. Even if the screaming wasn’t aimed at me it is tiresome—loud and repetitive, not a lot of sense in it and it goes on all day every day.

Maybe the repetition boosts post count and so advertising revenue but it does destroy quality.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 13th, 2023 at 1:33pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say?





Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 13th, 2023 at 1:35pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 10:26am:

Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 9:23am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 8:47am:
Vaguely remember

That's you in a nutshell, nutty juvenile.
Vague, half-remembering, foggy.


Ozpol’s forum thief and long term alcoholic Dumbarse Drunk is 80 yrs old and known to be suffering from dementia. That’s why he mutters to himself in his padded cell of a sub forum for hours and hours each day. It’s pretty much his online reclusive nursing home.


Just post over him and treat the tosspot as though he isn’t even online is the advice given by OzPol GMods.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 13th, 2023 at 3:07pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 10:15am:

Quote:
It's clear that Jesus was an elusive figure to 1st-century peoples, not because he didn't exist, but more likely because his ministry was not important or momentous enough during his lifetime to warrant literate people documenting it.


Plenty of half mad preachers wandering Palestine.


Nevertheless, a church was founded on the teachings of Jesus despite harsh persecution for centuries. You can't say the same for all the other, now-forgotten preachers.

Please explain, nutso.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 3:47pm
If I am a bit vague on the bible, Sore End, it is probably because I stopped believing in the crap like 60 years ago.

Why did some people breathe life into the cult now known as christianity? Money, fame and sex? Or the cult helped deal with being bottom of the totem pole in the Roman Empire?

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:12pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 3:47pm:
If I am a bit vague on the bible, Sore End, it is probably because I stopped believing in the crap like 60 years ago.

Why did some people breathe life into the cult now known as christianity? Money, fame and sex? Or the cult helped deal with being bottom of the totem pole in the Roman Empire?


It's about history, nutso, not the Bible.
You are arguing about things you have only faint and foggy ideas about - yet you argue.   Nutty.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm
Sore End, at least I am honest in what I say. I don’t pretend knowledge I do not have, when I am not sure of something I do not insist I am talking truth—I am happy to say: I do not know, what do you mean etc.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Frank on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:02pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
Sore End, at least I am honest in what I say. I don’t pretend knowledge I do not have, when I am not sure of something I do not insist I am talking truth—I am happy to say: I do not know, what do you mean etc.

No, you pride yourself in your ignorance and that is indeed truthful.

:-/

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:20pm
When it comes to ignorance I bow to. . . .Sore End.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jasinner on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:00pm

Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:02pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
Sore End, at least I am honest in what I say. I don’t pretend knowledge I do not have, when I am not sure of something I do not insist I am talking truth—I am happy to say: I do not know, what do you mean etc.

No, you pride yourself in your ignorance and that is indeed truthful.

:-/

Monk talks himself up doesn't he.  ;D

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 13th, 2023 at 9:25pm
The three facts about Jesus that are universally inarguable:

Jesus was a practising Jew.

Jesus preached the coming of the kingdom of god (although what he meant by that has been lost to history).

Jesus was crucified by the Romans for insurrection against Roman rule




Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by AusGeoff on Oct 14th, 2023 at 2:03am
Excerpted overview of main Jesus mythicist
arguments from Wikipedia:

Most "Christ mythicists" follow a threefold argument:
they question the reliability of the Pauline epistles and
the Gospels to postulate a historically existing Jesus;
they note the lack of information on Jesus
in non-Christian sources from the first and early
second century; and they argue that early Christianity
had syncretistic and mythological origins...

Paul's epistles lack detailed biographical information—
most mythicists agree that the Pauline epistles are
older than the gospels, and note that aside from a few
passages which may have been interpolations,
there is a complete absence of any detailed
biographical information such as might be
expected if Jesus had been a contemporary
of Paul
...

The gospels are not historical records, but a
fictitious historical narrative—mythicists argue
that although the gospels seem to present a historical
framework, they are not historical records, but
theological writings, myth or legendary fiction
resembling the Hero archetype. They impose "a
fictitious historical narrative" on a "mythical cosmic
saviour figure", weaving together various pseudo-
historical Jesus traditions...

No independent eyewitness accounts
survive
, in spite of the fact that many authors
were writing at that time.  Early second-century
Roman accounts contain very little evidence,
and may depend on Christian sources...
   
Paul refers to Jesus as an exalted being, and is
probably writing about either a mythical
or supernatural entity, or a celestial deity
named Jesus. This deity is derived from personified
aspects of God, notably the personification of
Wisdom, or "a saviour figure patterned after similar
figures within ancient mystery religions" which were
often a dying-and-rising god...

While Paul may also contain proto-Gnostic (early theological)
ideas, some mythicists have argued that Paul may refer to a
historical person who may have lived in a dim past, long
before the beginnings of the Common Era [CE].


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 14th, 2023 at 5:21am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:18am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 5:52am:
There may have been a half-mad Jewish preacher with the name Jesus in Hebrew, but he was just a normal person.

No evidence exists the biblical Jesus existed: the so-called census causing Joseph and Mary to have to go to Bethlehem to be counted—no record exists of it. Not a mention anywhere in the Roman accounts of the time.

Jesus' name in Hebrew is Joshua (Yeshua). 'Jesus' is the Greek version of the name.

The Census story places, by anachronism, its date to the date of Jesus' birth.

Also, a Roman Census did not require mass movements of people to their place of birth - they were required to register themselves where they lived.

The fabrication of having to move to the father's place of birth, is to place Jesus as born in the birthplace of David - as Jusaic prophesies had stated where a great Messiah would be born.


Missed this. Yes, that makes sense, would make Jesus/Joshua more significant.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 14th, 2023 at 6:59am
Up for Moron Meister


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 1:33pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say?


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:03am

Jasin wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:02pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
Sore End, at least I am honest in what I say. I don’t pretend knowledge I do not have, when I am not sure of something I do not insist I am talking truth—I am happy to say: I do not know, what do you mean etc.

No, you pride yourself in your ignorance and that is indeed truthful.

:-/

Monk talks himself up doesn't he.  ;D


Dumbarse Drunk was originally named OzPol’s INCEL by an OzPol GMod.

Dumbarse Drunk was officially named OzPol’s liar and doxxer by OzPol’s Freediver. 

The 80 yr old demented dhead drunk now thinks he’s won a few awards. 😂🤣😆

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:13am

Quote:
Daniel reads the words "MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN" and interprets them for the king: "MENE, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end; TEKEL, you have been weighed ... and found wanting;" and "UPHARSIN", your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians.

Belshazzar's feast - Wikipedia

Wikipedia

› wiki › Belshazzar's_feast

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:18am
Up for Moron Meister


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 1:33pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say?



Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:19am

Jasin wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:02pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
Sore End, at least I am honest in what I say. I don’t pretend knowledge I do not have, when I am not sure of something I do not insist I am talking truth—I am happy to say: I do not know, what do you mean etc.

No, you pride yourself in your ignorance and that is indeed truthful.

:-/

Monk talks himself up doesn't he.  ;D


Dumbarse Drunk was originally named OzPol’s INCEL by an OzPol GMod.

Dumbarse Drunk was officially named OzPol’s liar and doxxer by OzPol’s Freediver. 

The 80 yr old demented dhead drunk now thinks he’s won a few awards. 😂🤣😆


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:23am
I knew the autistic wouldn’t get what I was getting at  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:27am
Just posting over the 80 yr old demented nutter...


Jasin wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:02pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
Sore End, at least I am honest in what I say. I don’t pretend knowledge I do not have, when I am not sure of something I do not insist I am talking truth—I am happy to say: I do not know, what do you mean etc.

No, you pride yourself in your ignorance and that is indeed truthful.

:-/

Monk talks himself up doesn't he.  ;D


Dumbarse Drunk was originally named OzPol’s INCEL by an OzPol GMod.

Dumbarse Drunk was officially named OzPol’s liar and doxxer by OzPol’s Freediver. 

The 80 yr old demented dhead drunk now thinks he’s won a few awards. 😂🤣😆



Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:28am
Up for Moron Meister


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 1:33pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say?




Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:30am

Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:12pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 3:47pm:
If I am a bit vague on the bible, Sore End, it is probably because I stopped believing in the crap like 60 years ago.

Why did some people breathe life into the cult now known as christianity? Money, fame and sex? Or the cult helped deal with being bottom of the totem pole in the Roman Empire?


It's about history, nutso, not the Bible.
You are arguing about things you have only faint and foggy ideas about - yet you argue.   Nutty.


😂🤣😆😂🤣😆😂🤣😆😂🤣😆😂🤣😆😂🤣😆😂🤣😆😂🤣😆

Dumbarse Drunk never argues. He only mutters. To himself. That’s it.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 14th, 2023 at 9:24am

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 2:03am:
Excerpted overview of main Jesus mythicist
arguments from Wikipedia:

Most "Christ mythicists" follow a threefold argument:
they question the reliability of the Pauline epistles and
the Gospels to postulate a historically existing Jesus;
they note the lack of information on Jesus
in non-Christian sources from the first and early
second century; and they argue that early Christianity
had syncretistic and mythological origins...

Paul's epistles lack detailed biographical information—
most mythicists agree that the Pauline epistles are
older than the gospels, and note that aside from a few
passages which may have been interpolations,
there is a complete absence of any detailed
biographical information such as might be
expected if Jesus had been a contemporary
of Paul
...

The gospels are not historical records, but a
fictitious historical narrative—mythicists argue
that although the gospels seem to present a historical
framework, they are not historical records, but
theological writings, myth or legendary fiction
resembling the Hero archetype. They impose "a
fictitious historical narrative" on a "mythical cosmic
saviour figure", weaving together various pseudo-
historical Jesus traditions...

No independent eyewitness accounts
survive
, in spite of the fact that many authors
were writing at that time.  Early second-century
Roman accounts contain very little evidence,
and may depend on Christian sources...
   
Paul refers to Jesus as an exalted being, and is
probably writing about either a mythical
or supernatural entity, or a celestial deity
named Jesus. This deity is derived from personified
aspects of God, notably the personification of
Wisdom, or "a saviour figure patterned after similar
figures within ancient mystery religions" which were
often a dying-and-rising god...

While Paul may also contain proto-Gnostic (early theological)
ideas, some mythicists have argued that Paul may refer to a
historical person who may have lived in a dim past, long
before the beginnings of the Common Era [CE].

Mostly agree with this.

However, there is no reason to doubt that Jesus existed - beyond his close group, he was unknown or irrelevant. He was Galilean - all of whom were considered illiterate and backward by Judeans.

Literacy was uncommon throughout the region and of those literate people recording events in the region, they focussed on people and issues of importance.

An obscure figure who lived in an obscure region who had little impact in Galilee and no impact - culturally, socially, religiously or politically - on other regions would not be a figure any scribe would expend their time documenting.

A parallel to this would be Socrates. Had it not been for Plato's dialogues almost nothing would have been known of Socrates and history would have overlooked him.

Similarly with Jesus. Had Paul, (and other Paulines such as Luke), not written extensively on him, (at least in the sense of his being a divine figure), Jesus would have been completely overlooked by history - as other messiah claimants of the time have been.

Did Jesus exist? Paul's arrival on the scene so shortly after the crucifixion, his close association with the Jerusalem Community's enemies, his writings and his run-ins with James are evidence that he did - there was just no reason to invent Jesus - he was not a divine figure nor, by his death without liberating his fellow Jews from Rome, was he eligible to be the messiah to Jerusalem Community members.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 14th, 2023 at 9:26am
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Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:08am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:27am:
Just posting over the 80 yr old demented nutter...


Jasin wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:02pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
Sore End, at least I am honest in what I say. I don’t pretend knowledge I do not have, when I am not sure of something I do not insist I am talking truth—I am happy to say: I do not know, what do you mean etc.

No, you pride yourself in your ignorance and that is indeed truthful.

:-/

Monk talks himself up doesn't he.  ;D


Dumbarse Drunk was originally named OzPol’s INCEL by an OzPol GMod.

Dumbarse Drunk was officially named OzPol’s liar and doxxer by OzPol’s Freediver. 

The 80 yr old demented dhead drunk now thinks he’s won a few awards. 😂🤣😆


The #1 doxxers on OzPol are Booby then Larry.

Booby—passed my information to conman Dubyne that IQ had doxxed. He later passed around to anyone who asked a photo of myself and my mother.

Larry—got a copy of the photo and has posted decriptions of myself based on that photo.

Runners up: Super Nova and Setanta. Both looked up the domain information. I do not know if either passed on the information gained by this bit of doxxing.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:09am
As to Setanta, I would not take much notice as to what that drunk says.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:24am
Another crucial difference between Paul and James was: the memory of Jesus vs the message.

Paul became (hyper) focussed on Jesus as a divine figure, through which salvation could be achieved by believing him to be the Christ and the saviour of oneself and all humankind.

For James, Jesus the man was not important - no Jew believed a man to be divine and, because he had died without saving the Jews from their enemies, could not be the Messiah.

With James, it was about the message, not the man. For him, belief in Jesus as divine or the Messiah was plain heresy and blasphemy. James insisted that belief, in any case, was not enough to be righteous - it had to be followed up with good deeds - 'By their deeds you shall know them'.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:29am
Just posting over the 80 yr old demented nutter...


Jasin wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:02pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
Sore End, at least I am honest in what I say. I don’t pretend knowledge I do not have, when I am not sure of something I do not insist I am talking truth—I am happy to say: I do not know, what do you mean etc.

No, you pride yourself in your ignorance and that is indeed truthful.

:-/

Monk talks himself up doesn't he.  ;D


Dumbarse Drunk was originally named OzPol’s INCEL by an OzPol GMod.

Dumbarse Drunk was officially named OzPol’s liar and doxxer by OzPol’s Freediver. 

The 80 yr old demented dhead drunk now thinks he’s won a few awards. 😂🤣😆




Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:31am
Up for Moron Meister


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 1:33pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say? Or are you chucking a spaz attack because I stand up to you and refuse to play go fetch every time you demand it? 😂🤣😆😂🤣😆😂🤣😆




Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:32am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:24am:
Another crucial difference between Paul and James was: the memory of Jesus vs the message.

Paul became (hyper) focussed on Jesus as a divine figure, through which salvation could be achieved by believing him to be the Christ and the saviour of oneself and all humankind.

For James, Jesus the man was not important - no Jew believed a man to be divine and, because he had died without saving the Jews from their enemies, could not be the Messiah.

With James, it was about the message, not the man. For him, belief in Jesus as divine or the Messiah was plain heresy and blasphemy. James insisted that belief, in any case, was not enough to be righteous - it had to be followed up with good deeds - 'By their deeds you shall know them'.


Yes, whereas most professed christians tend to be thieves and liars who go to church to wipe their sins off the spiritual record.

Lying is a real “christian” trait.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:34am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:29am:
Just posting over the 80 yr old demented nutter...


Jasin wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:02pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
Sore End, at least I am honest in what I say. I don’t pretend knowledge I do not have, when I am not sure of something I do not insist I am talking truth—I am happy to say: I do not know, what do you mean etc.

No, you pride yourself in your ignorance and that is indeed truthful.

:-/

Monk talks himself up doesn't he.  ;D


Dumbarse Drunk was originally named OzPol’s INCEL by an OzPol GMod.

Dumbarse Drunk was officially named OzPol’s liar and doxxer by OzPol’s Freediver. 

The 80 yr old demented dhead drunk now thinks he’s won a few awards. 😂🤣😆

Here's a good example of an autistic tantrum - similar to a teenage girl's bitch-fest.

Autistics are locked-in developmentally at about 15 years old, They rarely, if ever, develop emotionally beyond that.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:34am
Up for Moron Meister


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
[quote author=ms.cuteandcheeky link=1696575257/191#191 date=1697092000]So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say? Actually I reckon you’re chucking a little childish spaz attack because I stand up to you and refuse to play go fetch every time you demand it 😂🤣😆😂🤣😆😂🤣😆







Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:39am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:34am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:29am:
Just posting over the 80 yr old demented nutter...


Jasin wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:02pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
Sore End, at least I am honest in what I say. I don’t pretend knowledge I do not have, when I am not sure of something I do not insist I am talking truth—I am happy to say: I do not know, what do you mean etc.

No, you pride yourself in your ignorance and that is indeed truthful.

:-/

Monk talks himself up doesn't he.  ;D


Dumbarse Drunk was originally named OzPol’s INCEL by an OzPol GMod.

Dumbarse Drunk was officially named OzPol’s liar and doxxer by OzPol’s Freediver. 

The 80 yr old demented dhead drunk now thinks he’s won a few awards. 😂🤣😆

Here's a good example of an autistic tantrum - similar to a teenage girl's bitch-fest.

Autistics are locked-in developmentally at about 15 years old, They rarely, if ever, develop emotionally beyond that.


That is easy to see from Larry’s posts all over the forum.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:39am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:32am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:24am:
Another crucial difference between Paul and James was: the memory of Jesus vs the message.

Paul became (hyper) focussed on Jesus as a divine figure, through which salvation could be achieved by believing him to be the Christ and the saviour of oneself and all humankind.

For James, Jesus the man was not important - no Jew believed a man to be divine and, because he had died without saving the Jews from their enemies, could not be the Messiah.

With James, it was about the message, not the man. For him, belief in Jesus as divine or the Messiah was plain heresy and blasphemy. James insisted that belief, in any case, was not enough to be righteous - it had to be followed up with good deeds - 'By their deeds you shall know them'.


Yes, whereas most professed christians tend to be thieves and liars who go to church to wipe their sins off the spiritual record.

Yes, that was brought to us by Pauline Christianity - the notion that belief in Jesus as the Christ, or a personal rededication to him, is enough to redeem you from your sins and guarantee you entry into heaven at the Last Times - no particular need for deeds, just 'sin no more', or continually confess and rededicate yourself to belief in Jesus the Christ.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:40am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:34am:
Up for Moron Meister


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
[quote author=ms.cuteandcheeky link=1696575257/191#191 date=1697092000]So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say? Actually I reckon you’re chucking a little childish spaz attack because I stand up to you and refuse to play go fetch every time you demand it 😂🤣😆😂🤣😆😂🤣😆

And here's another.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:45am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:39am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:34am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:29am:
Just posting over the 80 yr old demented nutter...


Jasin wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:02pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
Sore End, at least I am honest in what I say. I don’t pretend knowledge I do not have, when I am not sure of something I do not insist I am talking truth—I am happy to say: I do not know, what do you mean etc.

No, you pride yourself in your ignorance and that is indeed truthful.

:-/

Monk talks himself up doesn't he.  ;D


Dumbarse Drunk was originally named OzPol’s INCEL by an OzPol GMod.

Dumbarse Drunk was officially named OzPol’s liar and doxxer by OzPol’s Freediver. 

The 80 yr old demented dhead drunk now thinks he’s won a few awards. 😂🤣😆

Here's a good example of an autistic tantrum - similar to a teenage girl's bitch-fest.

Autistics are locked-in developmentally at about 15 years old, They rarely, if ever, develop emotionally beyond that.


That is easy to see from Larry’s posts all over the forum.

You'll also find examples of her inability to distinguish boundaries between persons in her life and 'virtual' persons - e.g. online posters - which is why her tantrums here seem to take on the pathos of sibling bitchery - as if she's fighting with a sibling for dominance and status.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:45am
Yes, just give the autistic junky all your private info and opinions etc.

Pretty clear where you stand anyway.

Good works, “sin no more” is more the ethics Jesus preached.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:56am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:40am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:34am:
Up for Moron Meister


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
[quote author=ms.cuteandcheeky link=1696575257/191#191 date=1697092000]So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say? Actually I reckon you’re chucking a little childish spaz attack because I stand up to you and refuse to play go fetch every time you demand it 😂🤣😆😂🤣😆😂🤣😆

And here's another.


Yeah here’s another post you can’t respond to because you feel intimidated and/or ashamed to admit who and what you are. Despite the fact that I already know. Your passive-aggressive carry on always gives your games away. You’re really quite the disturbed troll..aren’t you Meister Moron.

I’ll come to the issue of WHY you’re too frightened to answer such a simple question soon. Don’t be in a hurry to log off. Under that ID.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:59am
The self-declared christians here are completely devoid of any crumb of christian charity.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:00pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:45am:
Pretty clear where you stand anyway.

Good works, “sin no more” is more the ethics Jesus preached.

The essence of James' and, by extension, the Jerusalem Community's message, can still be seen in James' Epistle, such as:   

'What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.'

This was a direct swipe at Paul who preached that faith and belief in Jesus the Christ alone was sufficient for salvation.



Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:05pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:56am:
Yeah here’s another post you can’t respond to because you feel intimidated and/or ashamed to admit who and what you are. Despite the fact that I already know. Your passive-aggressive carry on always gives your games away. You’re really quite the disturbed troll..aren’t you Meister Moron.

I’ll come to the issue of WHY you’re too frightened to answer such a simple question soon. Don’t be in a hurry to log off. Under that ID.

And a further example of autistic behaviour - their insistence that they know the minds of others - indicative of a poor and undeveloped theory of mind.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:10pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:40am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:34am:
Up for Moron Meister


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
[quote author=ms.cuteandcheeky link=1696575257/191#191 date=1697092000]So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say? Actually I reckon you’re chucking a little childish spaz attack because I stand up to you and refuse to play go fetch every time you demand it 😂🤣😆😂🤣😆😂🤣😆

And here's another.


Yeah here’s another post you can’t respond to because you feel intimidated and/or ashamed to admit who and what you are. Despite the fact that I already know. Your passive-aggressive carry on always gives your games away. You’re really quite the disturbed troll..aren’t you Meister Moron.

I’ll come to the issue of WHY you’re too frightened to answer such a simple question soon. Don’t be in a hurry to log off. Under that ID.


How long have you been covertly gay Meister? It’s ok. You’re amongst friends here.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:12pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:10pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:40am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:34am:
Up for Moron Meister


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
[quote author=ms.cuteandcheeky link=1696575257/191#191 date=1697092000]So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say? Actually I reckon you’re chucking a little childish spaz attack because I stand up to you and refuse to play go fetch every time you demand it 😂🤣😆😂🤣😆😂🤣😆

And here's another.


Yeah here’s another post you can’t respond to because you feel intimidated and/or ashamed to admit who and what you are. Despite the fact that I already know. Your passive-aggressive carry on always gives your games away. You’re really quite the disturbed troll..aren’t you Meister Moron.

I’ll come to the issue of WHY you’re too frightened to answer such a simple question soon. Don’t be in a hurry to log off. Under that ID.


How long have you been covertly gay Meister? It’s ok. You’re amongst friends here.

And another example - gratuitous allegations, constructed the way a 15-year-old would, to provoke an over-reaction.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:17pm
Notice it answers its own posts? A real feature of Larry’s posting history.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:23pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:12pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:10pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:40am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:34am:
Up for Moron Meister


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
[quote author=ms.cuteandcheeky link=1696575257/191#191 date=1697092000]So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say? Actually I reckon you’re chucking a little childish spaz attack because I stand up to you and refuse to play go fetch every time you demand it 😂🤣😆😂🤣😆😂🤣😆

And here's another.


Yeah here’s another post you can’t respond to because you feel intimidated and/or ashamed to admit who and what you are. Despite the fact that I already know. Your passive-aggressive carry on always gives your games away. You’re really quite the disturbed troll..aren’t you Meister Moron.

I’ll come to the issue of WHY you’re too frightened to answer such a simple question soon. Don’t be in a hurry to log off. Under that ID.


How long have you been covertly gay Meister? It’s ok. You’re amongst friends here.

And another example - gratuitous allegations, constructed the way a 15-year-old would, to provoke an over-reaction.



Not at all. I’ve pretty much worked out why you hide behind different ids and why you’re so embarrassed and ashamed about who you really are. Oh and you WERE a Christian once. Now - you’re a Cultural Christian. An atheist. A Christian Atheist even. There’s bits n pieces of that Bible that refuse to fit in with your lifestyle these days. Your gay lifestyle.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:36pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:23pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:12pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:10pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:40am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 11:34am:
Up for Moron Meister


Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
[quote author=ms.cuteandcheeky link=1696575257/191#191 date=1697092000]So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say? Actually I reckon you’re chucking a little childish spaz attack because I stand up to you and refuse to play go fetch every time you demand it 😂🤣😆😂🤣😆😂🤣😆

And here's another.


Yeah here’s another post you can’t respond to because you feel intimidated and/or ashamed to admit who and what you are. Despite the fact that I already know. Your passive-aggressive carry on always gives your games away. You’re really quite the disturbed troll..aren’t you Meister Moron.

I’ll come to the issue of WHY you’re too frightened to answer such a simple question soon. Don’t be in a hurry to log off. Under that ID.


How long have you been covertly gay Meister? It’s ok. You’re amongst friends here.

And another example - gratuitous allegations, constructed the way a 15-year-old would, to provoke an over-reaction.



Not at all. I’ve pretty much worked out why you hide behind different ids and why you’re so embarrassed and ashamed about who you really are. Oh and you WERE a Christian once. Now - you’re a Cultural Christian. An atheist. A Christian Atheist even. There’s bits n pieces of that Bible that refuse to fit in with your lifestyle these days. Your gay lifestyle.

I only have one ID here. I don't see the point in creating multiple IDs and posting here.

As for privacy online - I believe that no one should post details of their personal lives or information that could expose their identify to others.

This forum is a good example of why privacy is important. Psychiatric autistics, like yourself, are common enough online - there will always be their psychiatric obsessions and their developmental disorders that exposes their incapacity to assimilate into normal discourse.

You have a destructive personality that, I'd bet, has done a lot of damage to your children.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:45pm
“different ids” why is it so obsessed about ids, multis etc etc? Weird.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:49pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:45pm:
“different ids” why is it so obsessed about ids,multis etc etc? Weird.

Just an autistic fixation - there will be no rational logic to it - it's her springboard to the expression of rage autistics generally feel towards others.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:52pm
True, only those it is fighting with are called multis or fake multis. Not much rationality there.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:55pm
Bottom line : I hit the nail on the head with Master of Morons.

Awesome! So getting back to the topic : Now we ALL know that Master of Morons is indeed a Christian Atheist and a fraud. And the fact that he’s a closet gay isn’t a problem for me. It is however a definite problem for him and the reason why is easy to work out too - he’s been shunned by his family (especially his mother). And that explains why Master of Morons is a lonely embittered loner today pretending he knows something about other mothers who do happen to love their children and would never shun them under any circumstances.

What a wonderful topic this has been. A very enlightening and at times entertaining one which I initiated specifically for 1 reason ... to catch those on OzPol who identified with its title. Master of Morons ... you made it too easy for me to read your passive aggressive psychopathy. And for that I’m truly grateful.

Have a lovely afternoon. I know I will. 😎

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:58pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:55pm:
Bottom line : I hit the nail on the head with Master of Morons.

So getting back to the topic : now we ALL know Master of Morons is indeed a Christian Atheist and a fraud. And the fact that he’s a closet gay isn’t a problem for me. It is however a definite problem for him and the reason why I’ve worked out why too - he’s been shunned by his family especially his mother). And that explains why Master of Morons is a lonely embittered loner today pretending he knows something about other mothers who do happen to love their children and would never shun them under any circumstances.

What a wonderful topic this has been. A very enlightening and at times entertaining one which I initiated it specifically for 1 reason ... to catch those on OzPol who identified with its title. Master of Morons ... you made it too easy for me to read your passive aggressive psychopathy. And for that I’m truly grateful.

Have a lovely afternoon. I know I will 😂🤣😆

And again another example of a poor theory of mind.

A toxic feminine trait of deciding they're right regardless of the circumstances, as expressed by an autistic.

As an autistic mother, you'll be incapable of loving your children - what you'd be after is dominance and control over them, as you would with your husband and any relatives in your family.


Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 14th, 2023 at 1:08pm
Larry asked you over 10 times what you were, so much for him working it out. Also, he was blown away Christian atheism even existed!

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 14th, 2023 at 1:10pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:58pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:55pm:
Bottom line : I hit the nail on the head with Master of Morons.

So getting back to the topic : now we ALL know Master of Morons is indeed a Christian Atheist and a fraud. And the fact that he’s a closet gay isn’t a problem for me. It is however a definite problem for him and the reason why I’ve worked out why too - he’s been shunned by his family especially his mother). And that explains why Master of Morons is a lonely embittered loner today pretending he knows something about other mothers who do happen to love their children and would never shun them under any circumstances.

What a wonderful topic this has been. A very enlightening and at times entertaining one which I initiated it specifically for 1 reason ... to catch those on OzPol who identified with its title. Master of Morons ... you made it too easy for me to read your passive aggressive psychopathy. And for that I’m truly grateful.

Have a lovely afternoon. I know I will 😂🤣😆

And again another example of a poor theory of mind.

A toxic feminine trait of deciding they're right regardless of the circumstances, as expressed by an autistic.

As an autistic mother, you'll be incapable of loving your children - what you'd be after is dominance and control over them, as you would with your husband and any relatives in your family.


Tell everyone on OzPol a bit more about why YOU abhor YOUR mother Master of Morons.

You’re among friends. You’re doing quite well in projecting right now. By all means .... please continue.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 14th, 2023 at 1:12pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 1:08pm:
Larry asked you over 10 times what you were, so much for him working it out. Also, he was blown away Christian atheism even existed!

Not answering autistics drives them crazy.

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 14th, 2023 at 1:14pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 1:08pm:
Larry asked you over 10 times what you were, so much for him working it out. Also, he was blown away Christian atheism even existed!

Not answering autistics drives them crazy.


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 14th, 2023 at 1:47pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 1:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:58pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 12:55pm:
Bottom line : I hit the nail on the head with Master of Morons.

So getting back to the topic : now we ALL know Master of Morons is indeed a Christian Atheist and a fraud. And the fact that he’s a closet gay isn’t a problem for me. It is however a definite problem for him and the reason why I’ve worked out why too - he’s been shunned by his family especially his mother). And that explains why Master of Morons is a lonely embittered loner today pretending he knows something about other mothers who do happen to love their children and would never shun them under any circumstances.

What a wonderful topic this has been. A very enlightening and at times entertaining one which I initiated it specifically for 1 reason ... to catch those on OzPol who identified with its title. Master of Morons ... you made it too easy for me to read your passive aggressive psychopathy. And for that I’m truly grateful.

Have a lovely afternoon. I know I will 😂🤣😆

And again another example of a poor theory of mind.

A toxic feminine trait of deciding they're right regardless of the circumstances, as expressed by an autistic.

As an autistic mother, you'll be incapable of loving your children - what you'd be after is dominance and control over them, as you would with your husband and any relatives in your family.


Tell everyone on OzPol a bit more about why YOU abhor YOUR mother Master of Morons.

You’re among friends. You’re doing quite well in projecting right now. By all means .... please continue.


Master of all Morons - I’m over here now. There’s no need for you to chase my arse ONLY in the main forum. 😂🤣😆

Title: Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Post by freediver on Dec 10th, 2023 at 4:55pm
This Topic was moved here from Atheism by freediver.

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