Who is Jacinta Nampijinpa Price?

She was born in Darwin in 1981 to parents who met while working as teachers in the Tiwi Islands. Speaking to the former deputy prime minister John Anderson in a video interview in 2018, Price said of her parents: “Mum’s Warlpiri, Dad’s a white fella from Newcastle.”

Price has often described herself as a “Warlpiri-Celtic woman”.

Her mother, Bess, was also a politician. Bess Price was elected to the NT assembly between 2012 and 2016 as a member of the Country Liberal party, holding positions as minister for community services, local government and housing.

Jacinta Price said her family moved to Alice Springs when she was a toddler, where she went to school and had children – her first arriving while she was in year 12.

“The sorts of things I grew up with, understanding my culture, my family are very traditional,” told Anderson in 2018. “I performed in ceremony as a child, but also understood the parts of culture that aren’t so lovely.

“I’ve grown up knowing you have to be tough, you have to be physically tough. Women are quite ready to act out violently if need be, when you’re an Aboriginal woman. I’ve grown up seeing a lot of violence in my own family.”

She said her family members had “perpetrated violence and sexual violence”.

Price’s LinkedIn profile states she has worked as a “cross cultural consultant” with her family business, Jajirdi Consultants, offering cultural awareness training. She also worked as an executive director of a production company making “Indigenous themed Pre-School Television Shows, Stage Musicals and other projects” and as director of the Indigenous research program at the Centre for Independent Studies, a conservative thinktank, according to the profile.

Her bio also lists her as a contributor to the Australian newspaper from 2016 and a political commentator for Sky News since 2018.

In 2012 and 2014 Price uploaded songs to Triple J Unearthed, a publishing platform for independent Australian musicians. The website states that in 2013 she planned to launch her debut album, Dry River, which she described as “a mix of folk, soul and country music that pays tribute to her life growing up in Central Australia”

Being part of two cultures Warlpiri and Anglo-Celtic has always influenced the way in which her music has been created,” the website says. “As a youngster she played the violin before her focus switched to voice as part of local hip-hop outfits ‘Flava 4’ and ‘C-Mobs’.”

In one of the few disclosures on her parliamentary register of interests, Price declared “writer and performance royalties” from Apra, the performers’ rights association.

We can all read Wiki.

From local councillor to senator

In 2015 Price was elected to the Alice Springs local council before becoming deputy mayor in 2020. She became a regular guest on Sky News and was quoted in News Corp tabloids, drawing attention to violence and alcohol in the NT.

On her website, Price writes: “I’ve been turning the tables on the left for years.

“Almost two decades ago, I started working in the NT to bridge the gap between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians. I’ve been unafraid to call it like it is ever since.”

In 2019 she ran unsuccessfully as the CLP candidate for the NT seat of Lingiari, defeated by the veteran Labor MP Warren Snowdon 55%-45% on a two-party-preferred basis. But in 2021 she successfully beat the incumbent CLP senator Sam McMahon in a preselection battle and all but assured her election as the NT’s conservative senator.

She was comfortably elected at the poll and entered parliament in mid-2022.

In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than “the shackles of welfare dependency”.

Price also criticised what she called “opportunistic Indigenous community politics” and “Indigenous-industry gravy-train consumers”. She described symbolic welcome to country or acknowledgments of country at public events as a “reinvention of culture”, and strongly rejected the proposed Indigenous voice, which she claimed was a “virtue-signalling agenda”.

Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second. 

She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy. 

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 2:39pm:

... She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.

Sky "News"    ;)

Price on symbolic recognition

I personally have had more than my fill of being symbolically recognised,” she said.

“I am an empowered Warlpiri Celtic Australian woman who did not need and has never needed a paternalistic government to bestow my own empowerment upon me. We’ve proven for decades now that we do not need a chief protector of Aborigines.”

A key anti-voice campaigner

Since entering parliament, Price’s public comments have strongly focused on the referendum, and she has emerged as potentially the most prominent anti-voice campaigner.

Price was a headline attraction at the 2022 CPAC conference in Sydney, where opposing the voice was a major focus. She described the voice as “racial separatism”. She has been on record since at least 2019 opposing the voice concept, appearing in an Institute of Public Affairs advertisement.

She was central at the press conference where the National party announced its opposition to the voice in November 2022, a year before the vote is expected to be held. In a statement at the time, the Nationals leader, David Littleproud, claimed the voice “devalues the 11 elected Indigenous MPs, including Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price”.

The decision led to strong criticism from various Nationals state branches that backed the voice.

Price has become a constant travel companion of the opposition leader, Peter Dutton, as he made numerous trips to the NT to campaign against the voice.

Her profile has ballooned since the election, now operating one of the most followed and popular Facebook pages of any Australian politician. Her 186,000 Facebook followers is equivalent to three-quarters of the entire NT population, and her posts often rank as among the most popular of any politician in the country.

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 2:39pm:

Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.

The ABC wouldn't have her.

And it is silly and blinkered to assume, as you seem to, that ALL Aborigines are supposed to think like Burney or Pearson or Grant or Langton. It is this myopic, condescending 'mob mentality' that Price is such an elegant, articulate and with good humoured counter-weight to. No wonder Burney's first thought was 'betrayal'. Betrayal of the Aboriginal party line of victimhood and outsourced responsibility with zero accountability.

Frank wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 2:50pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:39pm: Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.  The ABC wouldn't have her. And it is silly and blinkered to assume, as you seem to, that ALL Aborigines are supposed to think like Burney or Pearson or Grant or Langton. It is this myopic, condescending 'mob mentality' that Price is such an elegantly, articulate and with good humour counter-weight to. No wonder Burney's first thought was 'betrayal'. Betrayal of the Aboriginal party line of victimhood and outsourced responsibility with zero accountability.

Of course different people have different opinion on different things.  But when it comes to the voice,  80 to 90% of indigenous Australians support the VOICE and constitutional recognition.    And I am sure, those 80 to 90% does not earn income from the country liberal party.

Price also assumed positions with Fair Australia, the anti-voice campaign from Advance, where she has also operated as a spokesperson. In fact, Fair’s website says the campaign is “led by Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price”.

Previously, Price had been on the committee of Recognise a Better Way, a separate anti-voice organisation led by the Indigenous businessman and former political candidate Warren Mundine. Shortly after the announcement she was joining the body Price quit and said her efforts were better directed to the “grassroots” campaign being run by Fair.

Mundine and Price have appeared together at press conferences and public events opposing the referendum.

Price, in her first comments after being named shadow minister for Indigenous Australians, claimed the voice is “run by those who have had long-held positions within the Aboriginal industry” and that communities “will be exploited” in the referendum.

Asked about the South Australian parliament’s newly legislated voice, Price also alluded to flashpoint claims of people falsely claiming Indigenous heritage.

“I think it is utterly ridiculous that it is being left open for individuals to declare their Aboriginality,” she said.

“Another matter that is of great concern, which has been talked about by a lot of Indigenous people around the country, are those who claim to be Indigenous who aren’t necessarily Indigenous. You will see in South Australia a dramatic increase in the number of Indigenous people within its population.”

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Her brand is exactly what Australia needs. It’s time we got a woman elected into the PM position. Especially one who represents Aboriginal and non Aboriginal issues because she herself consists of both heritage lineages. Jacinta also comes from a line of elders who were involved in Australian politics.

Keep up with Price OR eat her dust! The choice is yours!

re Lisa:

Keep dreaming Lisa.  Price is front and centre because she is useful in countering the voice.  As soon as it is over, I doubt she would even able to secure preselection for senator in 5 years time.    Even Julie Bishop couldn’t survive the Liberal right faction.  I strongly doubt Price can. 

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 3:07pm:

re Lisa: Keep dreaming Lisa.  Price is front and centre because she is useful in countering the voice.  As soon as it is over, I doubt she would even able to secure preselection for senator in 5 years time.    Even Julie Bishop couldn’t survive the Liberal right faction.  I strongly doubt Price can.

👆 Another one who feels threatened by Price - a YOUNGER WOMAN of mixed cultural heritage (Aboriginal/Celtic) who sits on the cusp of both the Gen X and Millennial cohorts of Australia’s population (ie these cohorts cover those born btwn 1965 to 1995) AND is in an influential position in politics. In addition, Price is a happily married woman but she’s also previously experienced domestic violence and divorce. She’s also a mother to 3 sons so again she has the experience of giving birth and parenthood (the hardest yet most rewarding job in the world). She’s been in politics for decades. Her mother and grandmother are respected elders who have guided her and still do. These previous Aboriginal generations of women have the lived experience and knowledge of how Aborigines have transitioned successfully over the past 100 years.

So with all these skills, experience and supports... Price has been able to successfully nurture a trustworthy brand which acknowledges both her Aboriginal AND non Aboriginal past.

Oh did I mention that I can’t wait for the upcoming referendum? 😎

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 3:13pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 3:07pm: re Lisa: Keep dreaming Lisa.  Price is front and centre because she is useful in countering the voice.  As soon as it is over, I doubt she would even able to secure preselection for senator in 5 years time.    Even Julie Bishop couldn’t survive the Liberal right faction.  I strongly doubt Price can.  👆 Another one who feels threatened by a YOUNGER WOMAN of mixed cultural heritage (Aboriginal/Celtic) who sits on the cusp of both the Gen X and Millennial cohorts of Australia’s population (ie these cohorts which cover those born btwn 1965 to 1995) AND is in an influential position in politics. In addition, Price is a happily married woman but she’s also previously experienced domestic violence and divorce. She’s also a mother to 3 sons so again she has the experience of giving birth and parenthood (the hardest yet most rewarding job in the world). She’s been in politics for decades. Her mother and grandmother are respected elders who have guided her and still do. These previous Aboriginal generations of women have the lived experience and knowledge of how Aborigines have transitioned successfully over the past 100 years. So with all these skills, experience and supports... Price has been able to successfully nurture a trustworthy brand which acknowledges both her Aboriginal AND non Aboriginal past. Oh and I can’t wait for the upcoming referendum 😎

Actually, I sincerely hope this can be true if one day Price can become the PM.   I will be there, cheering with you for Price.   :) :)

And I too am looking forward to the referendum, to put in my Yes vote in for the history book.

Price will be however, fighting an uphill battle.   From the guardian: 

Julie Bishop has vented her frustration over the “gender deafness” she frequently encountered in situations during her political career when she was the only woman in the room.

The first female Australian foreign affairs minister retired from federal politics at the May election after her unsuccessful tilt at the Liberal leadership last year.

“If I spoke in a room of 20 men, if I would put forward my idea, there was sort of silence,” Bishop told Andrew Denton’s Interview program on the Seven Network which airs on Tuesday night.

“It was as if I hadn’t spoken and then somebody would say precisely what I said or come up with precisely the same idea. And then they’d all say, ‘Oh that’s a great idea. Why don’t we do that?’
And I’d say, ‘Excusi … Didn’t I just say that?”

Julie Bishop: when Tony Abbott was minister for women I knew we had 'some way to go'

Bishop said she initially thought it was an individual problem but later discovered it was a widespread phenomenon affecting women globally.

“I just labelled it gender deafness,” she said. “I love men and I think they have a wonderful contribution to make to humanity. But if you’re the only female voice in the room, they just don’t seem to hear you. It’s as if they’re not attuned to it.”

Tickle

1. Stop reading what happened 5 years ago!

2. Read what’s happening NOW! I’ve even highlighted the part ...just for you! 👇


Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 3:13pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 3:07pm: re Lisa: Keep dreaming Lisa.  Price is front and centre because she is useful in countering the voice.  As soon as it is over, I doubt she would even able to secure preselection for senator in 5 years time.    Even Julie Bishop couldn’t survive the Liberal right faction.  I strongly doubt Price can.  👆 Another one who feels threatened by Price - a YOUNGER WOMAN of mixed cultural heritage (Aboriginal/Celtic) who sits on the cusp of both the Gen X and Millennial cohorts of Australia’s population (ie these cohorts cover those born btwn 1965 to 1995) AND is in an influential position in politics. In addition, Price is a happily married woman but she’s also previously experienced domestic violence and divorce. She’s also a mother to 3 sons so again she has the experience of giving birth and parenthood (the hardest yet most rewarding job in the world). She’s been in politics for decades. Her mother and grandmother are respected elders who have guided her and still do. These previous Aboriginal generations of women have the lived experience and knowledge of how Aborigines have transitioned successfully over the past 100 years. So with all these skills, experience and supports... Price has been able to successfully nurture a trustworthy brand which acknowledges both her Aboriginal AND non Aboriginal past. Oh did I mention that I can’t wait for the upcoming referendum? 😎

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 2:56pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:50pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:39pm: Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.  The ABC wouldn't have her. And it is silly and blinkered to assume, as you seem to, that ALL Aborigines are supposed to think like Burney or Pearson or Grant or Langton. It is this myopic, condescending 'mob mentality' that Price is such an elegantly, articulate and with good humour counter-weight to. No wonder Burney's first thought was 'betrayal'. Betrayal of the Aboriginal party line of victimhood and outsourced responsibility with zero accountability. Of course different people have different opinion on different things.  But when it comes to the voice,  80 to 90% of indigenous Australians support the VOICE and constitutional recognition.    And I am sure, those 80 to 90% does not earn income from the country liberal party.

What makes you think that?

Belgarion wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 4:38pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:56pm: Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:50pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:39pm: Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.  The ABC wouldn't have her. And it is silly and blinkered to assume, as you seem to, that ALL Aborigines are supposed to think like Burney or Pearson or Grant or Langton. It is this myopic, condescending 'mob mentality' that Price is such an elegantly, articulate and with good humour counter-weight to. No wonder Burney's first thought was 'betrayal'. Betrayal of the Aboriginal party line of victimhood and outsourced responsibility with zero accountability. Of course different people have different opinion on different things.  But when it comes to the voice,  80 to 90% of indigenous Australians support the VOICE and constitutional recognition.    And I am sure, those 80 to 90% does not earn income from the country liberal party. What makes you think that?

Quote:

The results, they said, were lopsided enough that support was most likely above 50 per cent, though due to the caveats, it was difficult to determine whether support was at or above a more specific level. FACT CHECK

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 2:56pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:50pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:39pm: Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.  The ABC wouldn't have her. And it is silly and blinkered to assume, as you seem to, that ALL Aborigines are supposed to think like Burney or Pearson or Grant or Langton. It is this myopic, condescending 'mob mentality' that Price is such an elegantly, articulate and with good humour counter-weight to. No wonder Burney's first thought was 'betrayal'. Betrayal of the Aboriginal party line of victimhood and outsourced responsibility with zero accountability. Of course different people have different opinion on different things.  But when it comes to the voice,  80 to 90% of indigenous Australians support the VOICE and constitutional recognition.    And I am sure, those 80 to 90% does not earn income from the country liberal party.

That is a figure you just made up, under the assumption of mob mentality among Aborigines.

The No case for a constitutionally established race-based body is not the devising of the Lib/Nats. Nor do they oppose the  entirety of the referendum proposal. They support recognition, in fact they came up with the idea of constitutional recognition of Aborigines as the race of people who were here before Australia as we know it was established, and of which they are now full and equal citizens.

The Voice is a separate issue and is the one that is likely to sink the recognition part of the referendum which, without the exclusively race based Voice being dishonestly welded to it, would sail through like the 1967 referendum with overwhelming, bipartisan support.

It was very clear who the Aborigines were before 1788. Can't say that with equal certainty today.

Some Lib/Nats, like the previous spokesman for Aborigines, is a Yes voter. Equally, there are plenty of Labor and even Green voters who will side with No.  But the party political division this referendum has created is the least of it.

As Price pointed out, she and her children would be eligible to be represented by the Voice but her own father and the father of her children wouldn't be. There - the utter nonsense and sinister stupidity of the Voice in a nutshell, illustrated on a human, rather than ideological or party political evel.

It's not a number he made up.  See the Fact Check in Setanta's post.

Setanta wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 4:56pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 4:38pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:56pm: Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:50pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:39pm: Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.  The ABC wouldn't have her. And it is silly and blinkered to assume, as you seem to, that ALL Aborigines are supposed to think like Burney or Pearson or Grant or Langton. It is this myopic, condescending 'mob mentality' that Price is such an elegantly, articulate and with good humour counter-weight to. No wonder Burney's first thought was 'betrayal'. Betrayal of the Aboriginal party line of victimhood and outsourced responsibility with zero accountability. Of course different people have different opinion on different things.  But when it comes to the voice,  80 to 90% of indigenous Australians support the VOICE and constitutional recognition.    And I am sure, those 80 to 90% does not earn income from the country liberal party. What makes you think that? Quote: The results, they said, were lopsided enough that support was most likely above 50 per cent, though due to the caveats, it was difficult to determine whether support was at or above a more specific level. FACT CHECK

Reading on from that fact check:

The Australian's report referenced comments made by GetUp! CEO Larissa Baldwin-Roberts to a 400-person webinar, which were subsequently leaked.

"Over 45 per cent (of Indigenous Australians) are saying they have heard very little or know nothing about the referendum (and) 25 per cent have said they're a No in terms of where they are sitting on the campaign," the masthead reported Ms Baldwin-Roberts as saying.



More on that GetOrf! Effort:
A GetUp-backed group that supports the Indigenous voice to ­parliament is urging advocates, organisations and journalists to alienate opponents and encourage them to make racist comments so more Australians join the Yes camp, as its research shows nearly half of Indigenous Australians don’t even know about the upcoming referendum.
...
In research provided by Common Cause Australia – one of the organisations supporting Passing the Message Stick – about 20 per cent of the broader population were identified as strong voice supporters, or the “base” of the campaign. Another 65 per cent were identified as “open to being persuaded either way”, while 15 per cent were opponents.

“The opponents, we do not need or want them, they are the staunch opponents,” Common Cause Australia director Eleanor Glenn told the webinar. “Our messages should alienate them. When we do this, they start making outlandish and racist comments that turn off the persuadables because persuadables don’t want to see themselves as being racist or aligned with those kinds of comments. It’s then easier to bring the persuadables on-board to our welcoming, inclusive better future.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/a-group-that-supports-the-indigenous-voice-to-parliament-wants-to-alienate-no-campaigners-so-more-australians-join-the-yes-camp/news-story/a7db2c42dcef55d55073950583e3385d

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 2:39pm:

Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.

exactly

Setanta wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 4:56pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 4:38pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:56pm: Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:50pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:39pm: Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.  The ABC wouldn't have her. And it is silly and blinkered to assume, as you seem to, that ALL Aborigines are supposed to think like Burney or Pearson or Grant or Langton. It is this myopic, condescending 'mob mentality' that Price is such an elegantly, articulate and with good humour counter-weight to. No wonder Burney's first thought was 'betrayal'. Betrayal of the Aboriginal party line of victimhood and outsourced responsibility with zero accountability. Of course different people have different opinion on different things.  But when it comes to the voice,  80 to 90% of indigenous Australians support the VOICE and constitutional recognition.    And I am sure, those 80 to 90% does not earn income from the country liberal party. What makes you think that? Quote: The results, they said, were lopsided enough that support was most likely above 50 per cent, though due to the caveats, it was difficult to determine whether support was at or above a more specific level. FACT CHECK

your link says he was correct when he said 80 - 90 percent want it. It's fact check taking guesses as to why it might not be incorrect. Until you come up with a poll that shows otherwise, guesses don't cut it.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 2:36pm:

. "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency".

ah..Price confirms she doesn't want to support welfare dependency.

Good...so...how to eradicate welfare dependency?


Quote:

Price also criticised what she called “opportunistic Indigenous community politics” and “Indigenous-industry gravy-train consumers”.

That's what the welfare/poverty industry is, as it applies to blacks.

Gee - Lisa, Price is almost there; can you assist her to  spell out how to get rid of the "shackles of welfare dependency?" (I still haven't seen YOUR policy anywhere). 


Quote:

She described symbolic welcome to country or acknowledgments of country at public events as a “reinvention of culture”, and strongly rejected the proposed Indigenous voice, which she claimed was a “virtue-signalling agenda”.

Diversion; she needs to seriously consider/spell out how to rid blacks of the "shackles of welfare dependency.

As for the Voice: it's supposed to assist in closing the gap, a "virtuous" desire indeed. 

The voice is founded on lies.

freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 6:05pm:

The voice is founded on lies.

And then there's  that.

freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 6:05pm:

The voice is founded on lies.

That's it then.  Ima changing to NO so persuasive was that!

Aussie wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 6:11pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 6:05pm: The voice is founded on lies. That's it then.  Ima changing to NO so persuasive was that!

As persuasive as "smoke signals"...

Setanta wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 6:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 6:11pm: freediver wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 6:05pm: The voice is founded on lies. That's it then.  Ima changing to NO so persuasive was that! As persuasive as "smoke signals"...

Too technical for you, was it?

Aussie wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 6:38pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 6:16pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 6:11pm: freediver wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 6:05pm: The voice is founded on lies. That's it then.  Ima changing to NO so persuasive was that! As persuasive as "smoke signals"... Too technical for you, was it?

You do not hava single convincing/valid argument as to how the Voice could say something that hasn't been said already.

And if it has nothing new to say and it can be readily ignored - why put it in the Constitution?

Because some of the 3% of the population want it in there? But they are not toddlers whose whims must be catered to and the Constitution is not theirs to shape (hence the referendum).

So what improvement would it mean to the whole of Australia to indulge Aborigines  who will not be able to say anything new and could be readily ignored even if they did, as you kept saying stupidly?


No wonder you are an arse whose  only acquaintance with the law is having it up your khyber for being an idiot.


Taxi!!

John Smith wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

your link says he was correct when he said 80 - 90 percent want it. It's fact check taking guesses as to why it might not be incorrect. Until you come up with a poll that shows otherwise, guesses don't cut it.

That article was written over a month ago and the polling was obviously done sometime earlier than that. Also, note the the article is trying very hard not to say that the polling does not really indicate that  80-90% of Aboriginals support it.  ::)

Aussie wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 2:34pm:

We can all read Wiki.

I listened to her say it.

You have a penchant of reading bs into common sense.

How did you acquire that skill?

Shystering?

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 2:39pm:

Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.

What bollocks.

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 2:39pm:

Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.

How about you explain why the National Press Club address is no longer broadcast by the ABC?

It's on Sky News - just like Parliamentary Question Time was right after the Press Club address.

Wake up to yourself you blinkered lefty ideologue.

Gnads wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 7:32pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:39pm: Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.  How about you explain why the National Press Club address is no longer broadcast by the ABC? It's on Sky News - just like Parliamentary Question Time was right after the Press Club address. Wake up to yourself you blinkered lefty ideologue.

Dunno what Planet you are on but I watched it on ABC TV!

Gnads wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 7:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:34pm: We can all read Wiki. I listened to her say it. You have a penchant of reading bs into common sense. How did you acquire that skill? Shystering?

Check her out on Wiki.  You will see that what Lisa Jones has posted is drawn directly from there.

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 2:56pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:50pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:39pm: Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.  The ABC wouldn't have her. And it is silly and blinkered to assume, as you seem to, that ALL Aborigines are supposed to think like Burney or Pearson or Grant or Langton. It is this myopic, condescending 'mob mentality' that Price is such an elegantly, articulate and with good humour counter-weight to. No wonder Burney's first thought was 'betrayal'. Betrayal of the Aboriginal party line of victimhood and outsourced responsibility with zero accountability. Of course different people have different opinion on different things.  But when it comes to the voice,  80 to 90% of indigenous Australians support the VOICE and constitutional recognition.    And I am sure, those 80 to 90% does not earn income from the country liberal party.

Urban elite & box tickers who are not marginalised & have no idea what living in a remote community is about.

You have no idea.

Aussie wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 7:49pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 7:32pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:39pm: Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.  How about you explain why the National Press Club address is no longer broadcast by the ABC? It's on Sky News - just like Parliamentary Question Time was right after the Press Club address. Wake up to yourself you blinkered lefty ideologue. Dunno what Planet you are on but I watched it on ABC TV!

It wasn't on 102 ABC through Foxtel ...

you watch it free to air TV?

As for planets - you're one of the biggest spacemen here. ::)

Aussie wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 7:51pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 7:28pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:34pm: We can all read Wiki. I listened to her say it. You have a penchant of reading bs into common sense. How did you acquire that skill? Shystering? Check her out on Wiki.  You will see that what Lisa Jones has posted is drawn directly from there.

I don't need to read Wiki

I've listened to her on multiple live media presentations.

What Lisa posted from Wiki isn't to worry about now is it?

Gnads wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 8:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 7:51pm: Gnads wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 7:28pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:34pm: We can all read Wiki. I listened to her say it. You have a penchant of reading bs into common sense. How did you acquire that skill? Shystering? Check her out on Wiki.  You will see that what Lisa Jones has posted is drawn directly from there. I don't need to read Wiki I've listened to her on multiple live media presentations. What Lisa posted from Wiki isn't to worry about now is it?

It is for Aussie. It’s cutting him up left, right and centre.

Aussie wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 5:31pm:

It's not a number he made up.  See the Fact Check in Setanta's post.

Aussie ... have you seen the Fact Check in Setanta’s post?

Gnads wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 7:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:34pm: We can all read Wiki. I listened to her say it. You have a penchant of reading bs into common sense. How did you acquire that skill? Shystering?

Ha! I’m starting to think Aussie is suffering from panic disorder AND/OR anxiety disorder. The very mention of Jacinta Price is making him VERY nervous. It’s hilarious really 😂🤣😆

John Smith wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 4:56pm: Belgarion wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 4:38pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:56pm: Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:50pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:39pm: Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.  The ABC wouldn't have her. And it is silly and blinkered to assume, as you seem to, that ALL Aborigines are supposed to think like Burney or Pearson or Grant or Langton. It is this myopic, condescending 'mob mentality' that Price is such an elegantly, articulate and with good humour counter-weight to. No wonder Burney's first thought was 'betrayal'. Betrayal of the Aboriginal party line of victimhood and outsourced responsibility with zero accountability. Of course different people have different opinion on different things.  But when it comes to the voice,  80 to 90% of indigenous Australians support the VOICE and constitutional recognition.    And I am sure, those 80 to 90% does not earn income from the country liberal party. What makes you think that? Quote: The results, they said, were lopsided enough that support was most likely above 50 per cent, though due to the caveats, it was difficult to determine whether support was at or above a more specific level. FACT CHECK your link says he was correct when he said 80 - 90 percent want it. It's fact check taking guesses as to why it might not be incorrect. Until you come up with a poll that shows otherwise, guesses don't cut it.

Why is this uneducated, ignorant, unemployed Abo Five Foot Frodo the Dodo Dumbarse in my topic pretending to post as though he’s finally understood something?

Setanta wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 4:56pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 4:38pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:56pm: Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:50pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:39pm: Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.  The ABC wouldn't have her. And it is silly and blinkered to assume, as you seem to, that ALL Aborigines are supposed to think like Burney or Pearson or Grant or Langton. It is this myopic, condescending 'mob mentality' that Price is such an elegantly, articulate and with good humour counter-weight to. No wonder Burney's first thought was 'betrayal'. Betrayal of the Aboriginal party line of victimhood and outsourced responsibility with zero accountability. Of course different people have different opinion on different things.  But when it comes to the voice,  80 to 90% of indigenous Australians support the VOICE and constitutional recognition.    And I am sure, those 80 to 90% does not earn income from the country liberal party. What makes you think that? Quote: The results, they said, were lopsided enough that support was most likely above 50 per cent, though due to the caveats, it was difficult to determine whether support was at or above a more specific level. FACT CHECK

Setanta ... are you using that FACT CHECK link in your post as a reference in order to prove the accuracy of the figures you’ve posted? Yes or No?

Gnads wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 7:49pm: Gnads wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 7:32pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:39pm: Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.  How about you explain why the National Press Club address is no longer broadcast by the ABC? It's on Sky News - just like Parliamentary Question Time was right after the Press Club address. Wake up to yourself you blinkered lefty ideologue. Dunno what Planet you are on but I watched it on ABC TV! It wasn't on 102 ABC through Foxtel ... you watch it free to air TV? As for planets - you're one of the biggest spacemen here. ::)

Why pay to watch the ABC when it is always free to air?

You  are the dick who claimed the ABC does not cover the Press Club.  You were wrong...again.

Gnads wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 8:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 7:51pm: Gnads wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 7:28pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:34pm: We can all read Wiki. I listened to her say it. You have a penchant of reading bs into common sense. How did you acquire that skill? Shystering? Check her out on Wiki.  You will see that what Lisa Jones has posted is drawn directly from there. I don't need to read Wiki I've listened to her on multiple live media presentations. What Lisa posted from Wiki isn't to worry about now is it?

You do to understand that Lisa Jones is copying pretty much directly from Wiki without acknowledgement.

Aussie wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 8:35pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:05pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 7:51pm: Gnads wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 7:28pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:34pm: We can all read Wiki. I listened to her say it. You have a penchant of reading bs into common sense. How did you acquire that skill? Shystering? Check her out on Wiki.  You will see that what Lisa Jones has posted is drawn directly from there. I don't need to read Wiki I've listened to her on multiple live media presentations. What Lisa posted from Wiki isn't to worry about now is it? You do to understand that Lisa Jones is copying pretty much directly from Wiki without acknowledgement.

Oh ok then Aussie.

From Wiki:

Legal proceedings

Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 202

There you go Aussie. Acknowledged. 😂🤣😆

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 8:38pm:

Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021.

Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said:

"In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency".

She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; can you assist her in spelling out how to free blacks from the "shackles of welfare dependency"? (I still haven't seen your claimed post revealing your policy...).

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 8:48pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; can you assist her in spelling out how to free blacks from the "shackles of welfare dependency"? (I still haven't seen your claimed post revealing your policy...).

Remember what Billy Connolly told you, parrot?

Frank wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 8:57pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; can you assist her in spelling out how to free blacks from the "shackles of welfare dependency"? (I still haven't seen your claimed post revealing your policy...). Remember what Billy Connolly told you, parrot?

FMD, how low is your IQ? (...seems Lisa in on par also, as she struggles to verbalize her policy..)

""In her first speech to parliament (Price) spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency"

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 9:04pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:57pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; can you assist her in spelling out how to free blacks from the "shackles of welfare dependency"? (I still haven't seen your claimed post revealing your policy...). Remember what Billy Connolly told you, parrot? FMD, how low is your IQ? ""In her first speech to parliament (Price) spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency"

Ok, here we go:
What is YOUR understanding of common sense?


Do tell us.

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 8:48pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday;

No it wasn’t vague. It was a succinct summary. If you have further questions why not ask her directly? Through Facebook. Did you know that out of all Australian politicians she has the most followers? Well follow her and ask her whatever you like. Do drop by again (under that ID) and let us know how you got on. Best of luck with that NotSoGreat.

Up for Setanta


Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 4:56pm: Belgarion wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 4:38pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:56pm: Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:50pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:39pm: Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.  The ABC wouldn't have her. And it is silly and blinkered to assume, as you seem to, that ALL Aborigines are supposed to think like Burney or Pearson or Grant or Langton. It is this myopic, condescending 'mob mentality' that Price is such an elegantly, articulate and with good humour counter-weight to. No wonder Burney's first thought was 'betrayal'. Betrayal of the Aboriginal party line of victimhood and outsourced responsibility with zero accountability. Of course different people have different opinion on different things.  But when it comes to the voice,  80 to 90% of indigenous Australians support the VOICE and constitutional recognition.    And I am sure, those 80 to 90% does not earn income from the country liberal party. What makes you think that? Quote: The results, they said, were lopsided enough that support was most likely above 50 per cent, though due to the caveats, it was difficult to determine whether support was at or above a more specific level. FACT CHECK Setanta ... are you using that FACT CHECK link in your post as a reference in order to prove the accuracy of the figures you’ve posted? Yes or No?

Frank wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 9:08pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:04pm: Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:57pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; can you assist her in spelling out how to free blacks from the "shackles of welfare dependency"? (I still haven't seen your claimed post revealing your policy...). Remember what Billy Connolly told you, parrot? FMD, how low is your IQ? ""In her first speech to parliament (Price) spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency" Ok, here we go: What is YOUR understanding of common sense? Do tell us.

FMD, Lisa wants me to ask Price directly what Price means by "common sense" solutions to free blacks from the "shackles of welfare dependency"; obviously  Lisa can't verbalize these "common sense" solutions.

And you have stumbled into asking my opinion of  what "common sense" is....when the point is what does Price - the politician - have in mind, to free blacks from "the shackles of welfare dependency".

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:04pm: Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:57pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; can you assist her in spelling out how to free blacks from the "shackles of welfare dependency"? (I still haven't seen your claimed post revealing your policy...). Remember what Billy Connolly told you, parrot? FMD, how low is your IQ? ""In her first speech to parliament (Price) spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency" Ok, here we go: What is YOUR understanding of common sense? Do tell us. FMD, Lisa wants me to ask Price directly what Price means by "common sense" solutions to free blacks from the "shackles of welfare dependency"; obviously  Lisa can't verbalize these "common sense" solutions. And you have stumbled into asking my opinion of  what "common sense" is....when the point is what does Price - the politician - have in mind, to free blacks from "the shackles of welfare dependency".

YOU attacked Price's common sense notion.

What is YOUR idea of common sense? How is it different to Price's?


NB "common sense".  Not your moronic parroting monomania.

Go on, tell us.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 9:08pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; No it wasn’t vague. It was a succinct summary.

(!)...."succinct" indeed; I was looking out during her entire speech for her policy to close the gap; her postulated  "common sense" policy was all we got.

....vague and succinct at the same time!


Quote:

If you have further questions why not ask her directly? Through Facebook. Did you know that out of all Australian politicians she has the most followers? Well follow her and ask her whatever you like. Do drop by again (under that ID) and let us know how you got on. Best of luck with that NotSoGreat.

No need for me to ask her about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency" ...she obviously hasn't got a clue - because if "common sense" could achieve it, the gap would have been closed long ago.

Frank wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 9:23pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:16pm: Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:04pm: Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:57pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; can you assist her in spelling out how to free blacks from the "shackles of welfare dependency"? (I still haven't seen your claimed post revealing your policy...). Remember what Billy Connolly told you, parrot? FMD, how low is your IQ? ""In her first speech to parliament (Price) spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency" Ok, here we go: What is YOUR understanding of common sense? Do tell us. FMD, Lisa wants me to ask Price directly what Price means by "common sense" solutions to free blacks from the "shackles of welfare dependency"; obviously  Lisa can't verbalize these "common sense" solutions. And you have stumbled into asking my opinion of  what "common sense" is....when the point is what does Price - the politician - have in mind, to free blacks from "the shackles of welfare dependency". YOU attacked Price's common sense notion.

FMD, no I didn't, I attacked her for not saying what the "common sense" solution is. Are you not intelligent enough to spot the difference?


Quote:

What is YOUR idea of common sense? How is it different to Price's?

You already know my idea of "common sense',  when talking about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency".

To repeat: we all need to work to prosper - guaranteed by legislation - according to our ability, not according to the vicissitudes of competitive, 'invisible hand' markets driven solely by self-interest.

Your turn, what do you think Price has in mind re the "common sense" solution, to free blacks from the "shackles of welfare dependency"?

Last thing we heard from you is "close the black hell-holes"....

"Common sense", ain't it....   

Frank wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 9:23pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:16pm: Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:04pm: Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:57pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; can you assist her in spelling out how to free blacks from the "shackles of welfare dependency"? (I still haven't seen your claimed post revealing your policy...). Remember what Billy Connolly told you, parrot? FMD, how low is your IQ? ""In her first speech to parliament (Price) spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency" Ok, here we go: What is YOUR understanding of common sense? Do tell us. FMD, Lisa wants me to ask Price directly what Price means by "common sense" solutions to free blacks from the "shackles of welfare dependency"; obviously  Lisa can't verbalize these "common sense" solutions. And you have stumbled into asking my opinion of  what "common sense" is....when the point is what does Price - the politician - have in mind, to free blacks from "the shackles of welfare dependency". YOU attacked Price's common sense notion. What is YOUR idea of common sense? How is it different to Price's? NB "common sense".  Not your moronic parroting monomania. Go on, tell us.

You’re asking NotSoGreat ... the dumb cyberjunkie parrot of cyberspace to actually use his brain (which is the size of a grape) to think for himself and offer up an idea?

😂🤣😆

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 9:29pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; No it wasn’t vague. It was a succinct summary. (!)...."succinct" indeed; I was looking out during her entire speech for her policy to close the gap; her postulated  "common sense" policy was all we got. ....vague and succinct at the same time! Quote: If you have further questions why not ask her directly? Through Facebook. Did you know that out of all Australian politicians she has the most followers? Well follow her and ask her whatever you like. Do drop by again (under that ID) and let us know how you got on. Best of luck with that NotSoGreat. No need for me to ask her about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency" ...she obviously hasn't got a clue - because if "common sense" could achieve it, the gap would have been closed long ago.

No it’s clear that you have an urgent need to ask Jacinta Price DIRECTLY! You keep mentioning the issue. In fact you’re fixated on it. And given it’s nearly 10 pm on a FRIDAY NIGHT that means you’re obsessed by what you obviously can’t understand. Off you go and click on Jacinta’s Facebook page. Ask her directly and immediately! Let us know how you get on.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 9:50pm:

You’re asking NotSoGreat ... the dumb cyberjunkie parrot of cyberspace to actually use his brain (which is the size of a grape) to think for himself and offer up an idea?

Proving you are a leading Ozpolitics fraud (a select group of frauds); my post (#53) immediately before your above lying garbage indeed offered up an idea, as was asked of me by Frank.

You utter mindless fraud.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 9:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; No it wasn’t vague. It was a succinct summary. (!)...."succinct" indeed; I was looking out during her entire speech for her policy to close the gap; her postulated  "common sense" policy was all we got. ....vague and succinct at the same time! Quote: If you have further questions why not ask her directly? Through Facebook. Did you know that out of all Australian politicians she has the most followers? Well follow her and ask her whatever you like. Do drop by again (under that ID) and let us know how you got on. Best of luck with that NotSoGreat. No need for me to ask her about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency" ...she obviously hasn't got a clue - because if "common sense" could achieve it, the gap would have been closed long ago. No it’s clear that you have an urgent need to ask Jacinta Price DIRECTLY! You keep mentioning the issue. In fact you’re fixated on it.

Because freeing blacks "from the shackles of welfare dependency" - Price's own words - is indeed THE issue, despite the fact most people including dumbos like you prefer to blindly argue over diversions like race, colonial history, 'culture' and the constitution.


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And given it’s nearly 10 pm on a FRIDAY NIGHT that means you’re obsessed by what you obviously can’t understand.

No, it's you who can't understand what Price  meant by freeing blacks "from the shackles of welfare dependency" - which is why you would rather not confront the reality of it. 


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Off you go and click on Jacinta’s Facebook page. Ask her directly and immediately! Let us know how you get on.

She's barely more intelligent than you, which means  nothing to learn from her. 

TGD has learned to say FMD. Is he trying to pass for a local?

It is not just the welfare dependency of blacks.
Blackness shouldnt matter. Nobody commits crimes or violence or refrain from it because of their race  - that's Price's common sense approach and I strongly agree with her.

Enough of the special considerations, the separate rules, the differential treatment, the racial concessions and fawning over 'culture' the rest of it.  Aboriginal cultural norms and practices must not be accepted as an excuse for violence, neglect, dysfunction. There is nothing sacred about Aboriginal culture and Aborigines are not sacred cows or noble savages whose Adamite, Edenic ways must be respected in toto.

Frank wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:06am:

It is not just the welfare dependency of blacks. Blackness shouldnt matter.

Maybe you should tell that to the employers who have an unspoken policy of not hiring Aboriginal people, or the landlords who refuse to let Aboriginal people live in their houses.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:09am:

Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:06am: It is not just the welfare dependency of blacks. Blackness shouldnt matter. Maybe you should tell that to the employers who have an unspoken policy of not hiring Aboriginal people, or the landlords who refuse to let Aboriginal people live in their houses.

Home owners can put whoever they want in their homes.

freediver wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:02am:

TGD has learned to say FMD. Is he trying to pass for a local?

Facioscapulohumeral muscular dystrophy?  :-?

freediver wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:02am:

TGD has learned to say FMD. Is he trying to pass for a local?

You have proved yourself to be another fraud incapable of "offering some ideas" - demanded by prize fraud Lisa  herself - re Price's determination to free blacks "from the shackles of welfare dependency".

Hence ANOTHER worthless diversion from you; and btw you don't know whether I am a local or not, which is in any case totally irrelevant to THE issue correctly identified by Price herself, namely,  the "shackles of welfare dependency", maintained by the expensive, well-established  poverty /welfare industry serving its bureaucrats, not the people experiencing the gap.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:09am:

Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:06am: It is not just the welfare dependency of blacks. Blackness shouldnt matter. Maybe you should tell that to the employers who have an unspoken policy of not hiring Aboriginal people, or the landlords who refuse to let Aboriginal people live in their houses.

I am sure no employee or landlord would turn away Professor Langton, Professor Grant, Professor Davis,  Professor Pascoe, Professor Dodson.

freediver wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:02am:

TGD has learned to say FMD. Is he trying to pass for a local?

NotSoGreat = Linus = Bwian.

1 wanker hiding behind 3 ids (some are shared). Irrespective of that ... he always exposing himself by forgetting his screens AND unwittingly using particular Lisa Jonesian words/phrases. 😂🤣😆

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:09am: Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:06am: It is not just the welfare dependency of blacks. Blackness shouldnt matter. Maybe you should tell that to the employers who have an unspoken policy of not hiring Aboriginal people, or the landlords who refuse to let Aboriginal people live in their houses. Home owners can put whoever they want in their homes.

Correct.

You missed the point though.

Home owners who put a blanket ban on Aboriginal people for simply being Aboriginal people are one of the main driving forces of their welfare dependency.

And so are the employers who do the same thing.

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And so are the employers who do the same thing.

There are plenty of employers actively seeking aboriginal employees. They have quotas to meet. But they are finding it difficult. They have run out.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 9:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; No it wasn’t vague. It was a succinct summary. (!)...."succinct" indeed; I was looking out during her entire speech for her policy to close the gap; her postulated  "common sense" policy was all we got. ....vague and succinct at the same time! Quote: If you have further questions why not ask her directly? Through Facebook. Did you know that out of all Australian politicians she has the most followers? Well follow her and ask her whatever you like. Do drop by again (under that ID) and let us know how you got on. Best of luck with that NotSoGreat. No need for me to ask her about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency" ...she obviously hasn't got a clue - because if "common sense" could achieve it, the gap would have been closed long ago. No it’s clear that you have an urgent need to ask Jacinta Price DIRECTLY! You keep mentioning the issue. In fact you’re fixated on it. And given it’s nearly 10 pm on a FRIDAY NIGHT that means you’re obsessed by what you obviously can’t understand. Off you go and click on Jacinta’s Facebook page. Ask her directly and immediately! Let us know how you get on.

👆 How’s your homework going NotSoGreat? Have you taken your finger out of your arse yet?

Frank wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:09am: Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:06am: It is not just the welfare dependency of blacks. Blackness shouldnt matter. Maybe you should tell that to the employers who have an unspoken policy of not hiring Aboriginal people, or the landlords who refuse to let Aboriginal people live in their houses. I am sure no employee or landlord would turn away Professor Langton, Professor Grant, Professor Davis,  Professor Pascoe, Professor Dodson.

There are employers and landlords who refuse to hire or house Aboriginal people based purely on their Aboriginality.

You know this, I know this, everyone knows this.

Why pretend it doesn't happen?

It's one of the main driving forces behind welfare dependency, homelessness, and crime.

freediver wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:19am:

Quote: And so are the employers who do the same thing. There are plenty of employers actively seeking aboriginal employees. They have quotas to meet. But they are finding it difficult. They have run out.

We also get extra $$ as employers IF we do so.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:15am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:09am: Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:06am: It is not just the welfare dependency of blacks. Blackness shouldnt matter. Maybe you should tell that to the employers who have an unspoken policy of not hiring Aboriginal people, or the landlords who refuse to let Aboriginal people live in their houses. I am sure no employee or landlord would turn away Professor Langton, Professor Grant, Professor Davis,  Professor Pascoe, Professor Dodson. There are employers and landlords who refuse to hire or house Aboriginal people based purely on their Aboriginality. You know this, I know this, everyone knows this. Why pretend it doesn't happen? It's one of the main driving forces behind welfare dependency, homelessness, and crime.

It's not their Aboriginality, obviously, as the professors who are just ax Aboriginal wouldn't  be turned away.

Frank wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:20am: Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:15am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:09am: Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:06am: It is not just the welfare dependency of blacks. Blackness shouldnt matter. Maybe you should tell that to the employers who have an unspoken policy of not hiring Aboriginal people, or the landlords who refuse to let Aboriginal people live in their houses. I am sure no employee or landlord would turn away Professor Langton, Professor Grant, Professor Davis,  Professor Pascoe, Professor Dodson. There are employers and landlords who refuse to hire or house Aboriginal people based purely on their Aboriginality. You know this, I know this, everyone knows this. Why pretend it doesn't happen? It's one of the main driving forces behind welfare dependency, homelessness, and crime. It's not their Aboriginality, obviously, as the professors who are just ax Aboriginal wouldn't  be turned away.

I didn't say all employers or all landlords.

I said:

There are employers and landlords who refuse to hire or house Aboriginal people based purely on their Aboriginality.

You know this, I know this, everyone knows this.  It's a fact.

Why pretend it doesn't happen?

It's one of the main driving forces behind welfare dependency, homelessness, and crime.

Frank wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:12am:

freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:02am: TGD has learned to say FMD. Is he trying to pass for a local? Facioscapulohumeral muscular dystrophy?  :-?

Can you try again with the first word? It's too artificial to be funny.

But note how all you Conservative morons pile on with diversions, rather than confront the issue, demonstrating low IQ and ideological blindness at the same time.

Which is why can't answer #53, other than with  your mono-maniacal claims of mono-maniacalism. 

Feel free to prove me wrong: #53 is still there, unanswered.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:19am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:56pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; No it wasn’t vague. It was a succinct summary. (!)...."succinct" indeed; I was looking out during her entire speech for her policy to close the gap; her postulated  "common sense" policy was all we got. ....vague and succinct at the same time! Quote: If you have further questions why not ask her directly? Through Facebook. Did you know that out of all Australian politicians she has the most followers? Well follow her and ask her whatever you like. Do drop by again (under that ID) and let us know how you got on. Best of luck with that NotSoGreat. No need for me to ask her about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency" ...she obviously hasn't got a clue - because if "common sense" could achieve it, the gap would have been closed long ago. No it’s clear that you have an urgent need to ask Jacinta Price DIRECTLY! You keep mentioning the issue. In fact you’re fixated on it. And given it’s nearly 10 pm on a FRIDAY NIGHT that means you’re obsessed by what you obviously can’t understand. Off you go and click on Jacinta’s Facebook page. Ask her directly and immediately! Let us know how you get on. 👆 How’s your homework going NotSoGreat? Have you taken your finger out of your arse yet?

You missed the point entirely.

TGD was offering you a golden opportunity, a relevant chance to provide, perhaps showcase your own input into what the term "welfare dependency" means and then, how, in your view, that can be addressed.

Over to you.  The floor is yours.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:15am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:09am: Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:06am: It is not just the welfare dependency of blacks. Blackness shouldnt matter. Maybe you should tell that to the employers who have an unspoken policy of not hiring Aboriginal people, or the landlords who refuse to let Aboriginal people live in their houses. I am sure no employee or landlord would turn away Professor Langton, Professor Grant, Professor Davis,  Professor Pascoe, Professor Dodson. 1. There are employers and landlords who refuse to hire or house Aboriginal people based purely on their Aboriginality. You know this, I know this, everyone knows this. Why pretend it doesn't happen? 2. It's one of the main driving forces behind welfare dependency, homelessness, and crime.

1. No it’s not. You’ve just made that up! It has SFA to do with ABoriginality. It’s based on ABility to pay rent. Stop being so abhorrently presumptuous about what we landlords do. For starters you’ve never been a landlord so that right there proves you know SFA about the subject matter.

2. No it’s not! Again you’ve just made that up and it’s clear why! You’re attempting to blur the issues AND transfer BLAME onto other people who have no idea WHY you would even be so underhandedly wrong! 😖😣😐

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TGD was offering you a golden opportunity, a relevant chance to provide, perhaps showcase your own input into what the term "welfare dependency' means and then, how, in your view, that can be addressed.

Yes. He does so approximately 1000 times a day. If you take him up on the offer, he forgets what you said within about 10 minutes (he has a slightly better attention span than you, Aussie), and proceeds to try to start the exact same conversation with you.

Aussie wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:27am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:19am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:56pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; No it wasn’t vague. It was a succinct summary. (!)...."succinct" indeed; I was looking out during her entire speech for her policy to close the gap; her postulated  "common sense" policy was all we got. ....vague and succinct at the same time! Quote: If you have further questions why not ask her directly? Through Facebook. Did you know that out of all Australian politicians she has the most followers? Well follow her and ask her whatever you like. Do drop by again (under that ID) and let us know how you got on. Best of luck with that NotSoGreat. No need for me to ask her about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency" ...she obviously hasn't got a clue - because if "common sense" could achieve it, the gap would have been closed long ago. No it’s clear that you have an urgent need to ask Jacinta Price DIRECTLY! You keep mentioning the issue. In fact you’re fixated on it. And given it’s nearly 10 pm on a FRIDAY NIGHT that means you’re obsessed by what you obviously can’t understand. Off you go and click on Jacinta’s Facebook page. Ask her directly and immediately! Let us know how you get on. 👆 How’s your homework going NotSoGreat? Have you taken your finger out of your arse yet? You missed the point entirely. TGD was offering you a golden opportunity, a relevant chance to provide, perhaps showcase your own input into what the term "welfare dependency" means and then, how, in your view, that can be addressed. Over to you.  The floor is yours.

That wasn’t the point. That was his way of transferring the point. I threw it back in his multi fake arse! The floor .... as I type .... STILL has NotSoGreat’s fraudulent arse sitting on it. 😂🤣😆

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:19am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:56pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; No it wasn’t vague. It was a succinct summary. (!)...."succinct" indeed; I was looking out during her entire speech for her policy to close the gap; her postulated  "common sense" policy was all we got. ....vague and succinct at the same time! Quote: If you have further questions why not ask her directly? Through Facebook. Did you know that out of all Australian politicians she has the most followers? Well follow her and ask her whatever you like. Do drop by again (under that ID) and let us know how you got on. Best of luck with that NotSoGreat. No need for me to ask her about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency" ...she obviously hasn't got a clue - because if "common sense" could achieve it, the gap would have been closed long ago. No it’s clear that you have an urgent need to ask Jacinta Price DIRECTLY! You keep mentioning the issue. In fact you’re fixated on it. And given it’s nearly 10 pm on a FRIDAY NIGHT that means you’re obsessed by what you obviously can’t understand. Off you go and click on Jacinta’s Facebook page. Ask her directly and immediately! Let us know how you get on. 👆 How’s your homework going NotSoGreat? Have you taken your finger out of your arse yet?

Already answered in#53.

Are you dumb or fraudulent; reply to #53, you fraud. 

.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:20am: Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:15am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:09am: Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:06am: It is not just the welfare dependency of blacks. Blackness shouldnt matter. Maybe you should tell that to the employers who have an unspoken policy of not hiring Aboriginal people, or the landlords who refuse to let Aboriginal people live in their houses. I am sure no employee or landlord would turn away Professor Langton, Professor Grant, Professor Davis,  Professor Pascoe, Professor Dodson. 1. There are employers and landlords who refuse to hire or house Aboriginal people based purely on their Aboriginality. You know this, I know this, everyone knows this. Why pretend it doesn't happen? 2. It's one of the main driving forces behind welfare dependency, homelessness, and crime. 1. No it’s not. You’ve just made that up! It has SFA to do with ABoriginality. It’s based on ABility to pay rent.

It should be.  Yes.

However, there are landlords who refuse to house Aboriginal people based purely on their Aboriginality.

You know this, I know this, everyone knows this.

Why pretend it doesn't happen?

It's one of the main driving forces behind welfare dependency, homelessness, and crime.

Tthe point she’s trying to get across is: the historical narrative of Aboriginal people as victims since 1788 is counter-productive, constitutes a misleading “romanticism” of Aboriginal culture and works against Indigenous agency.

The media will focus on the colonisation hook to discredit Price, but this misses the greater significance of her position: Price’s alternative vision for Indigenous Australians will have wide appeal and if the referendum is defeated it will trigger a new, different and divisive debate about how Australians relate to one another.

“If we keep telling Aboriginal people that they are victims, we are effectively removing their agency,” Price said. She denounced separatism and attributing the causes of Aboriginal disadvantage to “racism and colonisation”, saying that putting “grievance before fact” ruined commonsense policies. Asked about more people nominating themselves as Indigenous, Price knew why: that happened when you prioritised race, not need. This was Australia’s national blunder, putting race before need.
...
She speaks from the heart. She doesn’t speak the reconciliation vernacular or the culture of Aboriginal dispossession. Other politicians seem reluctant to challenge her. But that will change. The progressive elites will try to destroy her. She’s dangerous. Does she realise how dangerous her message is? She will unleash forces that will reverberate through the left and right of politics for years.

Price said the long-run goal should be the eventual phasing out of the separate Indigenous Australians ministers because they wouldn’t be required. A constitutionally enshrined voice implied “the gap will exist in perpetuity and that is not what we want”.

In short, she rejects the moral foundations on which much Indigenous policy in this country has been based for the past two generations. She rejects the narrative now dominant in our schools, universities, progressive media and corporations. Price, unsurprisingly, will interpret any defeat of the voice as having far wider implications for Australia.

This is not what the Prime Minister envisaged when he launched this referendum, backed by an alliance of elite, corporate, celebrity, institutional, professional and sporting bodies on a scale unprecedented since World War II. Australia’s elites are in the process of being administered a huge shock.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/jacinta-prices-alternative-to-the-indigenous-voice-to-parliament-is-a-vision-for-the-future/news-story/4c36bbc221c22433a93aaf21b6e39974

She rejects the dominant narrative and that will have wide and significant implications. She is not saying anything new but when these things are said by European men they are glibly dismissed by the lazy and stupid progressives but cannot be so easily and glibly dismissed when articulated by a young Aboriginal woman in Parliament who actually lives among the Aboriginal people she speaks about.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:30am:

That wasn’t the point. That was his way of transferring the point. I threw it back in his multi fake arse!

The point being freeing blacksfrom "the shackles of welfare dependency", as identified by Price herself,  you utter fraud.

Feel free to explain how exactly I am "transferring the point"?
 

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:30am:

Aussie wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:27am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:19am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:56pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; No it wasn’t vague. It was a succinct summary. (!)...."succinct" indeed; I was looking out during her entire speech for her policy to close the gap; her postulated  "common sense" policy was all we got. ....vague and succinct at the same time! Quote: If you have further questions why not ask her directly? Through Facebook. Did you know that out of all Australian politicians she has the most followers? Well follow her and ask her whatever you like. Do drop by again (under that ID) and let us know how you got on. Best of luck with that NotSoGreat. No need for me to ask her about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency" ...she obviously hasn't got a clue - because if "common sense" could achieve it, the gap would have been closed long ago. No it’s clear that you have an urgent need to ask Jacinta Price DIRECTLY! You keep mentioning the issue. In fact you’re fixated on it. And given it’s nearly 10 pm on a FRIDAY NIGHT that means you’re obsessed by what you obviously can’t understand. Off you go and click on Jacinta’s Facebook page. Ask her directly and immediately! Let us know how you get on. 👆 How’s your homework going NotSoGreat? Have you taken your finger out of your arse yet? You missed the point entirely. TGD was offering you a golden opportunity, a relevant chance to provide, perhaps showcase your own input into what the term "welfare dependency" means and then, how, in your view, that can be addressed. Over to you.  The floor is yours. That wasn’t the point. That was his way of transferring the point. I threw it back in his multi fake arse!

It is his point, and you clearly are dodging the golden opportunity on a topical issue you have been offered.  As I said, this is your chance to demonstrate better than just a copy 'n paste from what you have read in Wiki.

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:30am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:19am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:56pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; No it wasn’t vague. It was a succinct summary. (!)...."succinct" indeed; I was looking out during her entire speech for her policy to close the gap; her postulated  "common sense" policy was all we got. ....vague and succinct at the same time! Quote: If you have further questions why not ask her directly? Through Facebook. Did you know that out of all Australian politicians she has the most followers? Well follow her and ask her whatever you like. Do drop by again (under that ID) and let us know how you got on. Best of luck with that NotSoGreat. No need for me to ask her about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency" ...she obviously hasn't got a clue - because if "common sense" could achieve it, the gap would have been closed long ago. No it’s clear that you have an urgent need to ask Jacinta Price DIRECTLY! You keep mentioning the issue. In fact you’re fixated on it. And given it’s nearly 10 pm on a FRIDAY NIGHT that means you’re obsessed by what you obviously can’t understand. Off you go and click on Jacinta’s Facebook page. Ask her directly and immediately! Let us know how you get on. 👆 How’s your homework going NotSoGreat? Have you taken your finger out of your arse yet? Already answered in#53. Are you dumb or fraudulent; reply to #53, you fraud.

FFS NotSoGreat/Bwian/Linus

You answered FRANK you wanker lying multi fraud! See why it’s not a good idea to smear OzPol with so many fake multi ids? Now that you’ve been pwned... log off. Your NotSoGreat ID is MUD!

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:20am: Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:15am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:09am: Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:06am: It is not just the welfare dependency of blacks. Blackness shouldnt matter. Maybe you should tell that to the employers who have an unspoken policy of not hiring Aboriginal people, or the landlords who refuse to let Aboriginal people live in their houses. I am sure no employee or landlord would turn away Professor Langton, Professor Grant, Professor Davis,  Professor Pascoe, Professor Dodson. 1. There are employers and landlords who refuse to hire or house Aboriginal people based purely on their Aboriginality. You know this, I know this, everyone knows this. Why pretend it doesn't happen? 2. It's one of the main driving forces behind welfare dependency, homelessness, and crime. 1. No it’s not. You’ve just made that up! It has SFA to do with ABoriginality. It’s based on ABility to pay rent. Stop being so abhorrently presumptuous about what we landlords do. For starters you’ve never been a landlord so that right there proves you know SFA about the subject matter. 2. No it’s not! Again you’ve just made that up and it’s clear why! You’re attempting to blur the issues AND transfer BLAME onto other people who have no idea WHY you would even be so underhandedly wrong! 😖😣😐

PS Greg

Answer BOTH my points as numbered. Or don’t bother responding at all. The choice is yours. 😐😖😣🙃

Aussie wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:37am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:30am: Aussie wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:27am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:19am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:56pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; No it wasn’t vague. It was a succinct summary. (!)...."succinct" indeed; I was looking out during her entire speech for her policy to close the gap; her postulated  "common sense" policy was all we got. ....vague and succinct at the same time! Quote: If you have further questions why not ask her directly? Through Facebook. Did you know that out of all Australian politicians she has the most followers? Well follow her and ask her whatever you like. Do drop by again (under that ID) and let us know how you got on. Best of luck with that NotSoGreat. No need for me to ask her about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency" ...she obviously hasn't got a clue - because if "common sense" could achieve it, the gap would have been closed long ago. No it’s clear that you have an urgent need to ask Jacinta Price DIRECTLY! You keep mentioning the issue. In fact you’re fixated on it. And given it’s nearly 10 pm on a FRIDAY NIGHT that means you’re obsessed by what you obviously can’t understand. Off you go and click on Jacinta’s Facebook page. Ask her directly and immediately! Let us know how you get on. 👆 How’s your homework going NotSoGreat? Have you taken your finger out of your arse yet? You missed the point entirely. TGD was offering you a golden opportunity, a relevant chance to provide, perhaps showcase your own input into what the term "welfare dependency" means and then, how, in your view, that can be addressed. Over to you.  The floor is yours. That wasn’t the point. That was his way of transferring the point. I threw it back in his multi fake arse! It is his point, and you clearly are dodging the golden opportunity on a topical issue you have been offered.  As I said, this is your chance to demonstrate better than just a copy 'n paste from what you have read in Wiki.

Aussie

My topic is titled : The Jacinta Price Phenomenon.

For whatever reason you’re reading it as : The Lisa Jones Phenomenon. It’s not!

Stick to the topic. Or don’t bother posting in my topic at all. The choice is yours.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:23am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:20am: Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:15am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:09am: Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:06am: It is not just the welfare dependency of blacks. Blackness shouldnt matter. Maybe you should tell that to the employers who have an unspoken policy of not hiring Aboriginal people, or the landlords who refuse to let Aboriginal people live in their houses. I am sure no employee or landlord would turn away Professor Langton, Professor Grant, Professor Davis,  Professor Pascoe, Professor Dodson. There are employers and landlords who refuse to hire or house Aboriginal people based purely on their Aboriginality. You know this, I know this, everyone knows this. Why pretend it doesn't happen? It's one of the main driving forces behind welfare dependency, homelessness, and crime. It's not their Aboriginality, obviously, as the professors who are just ax Aboriginal wouldn't  be turned away. I didn't say all employers or all landlords. I said: There are employers and landlords who refuse to hire or house Aboriginal people based purely on their Aboriginality. You know this, I know this, everyone knows this.  It's a fact. Why pretend it doesn't happen? It's one of the main driving forces behind welfare dependency, homelessness, and crime.

It's not their Aboriginality, obviously, as the professors who are just as Aboriginal wouldn't  be turned away.

The professors do not display any of the cultural warning signs that would turn off any landlord or employee.  Nobody would want to rent a house to anyone with a large itinerant family on welfare, coming and going freely, a dozen or more of them staying for weeks in a house meant for about 5 occupants, boozing and fighting every day. You wouldn't rent your property to such people.
Nobody wants to hire someone who is unreliable, does shoddy work and demands special treatpment. Aboriginality is not the decider, behaviour, culture, reliability are.

Frank wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:26am: Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:23am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:20am: Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:15am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:09am: Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:06am: It is not just the welfare dependency of blacks. Blackness shouldnt matter. Maybe you should tell that to the employers who have an unspoken policy of not hiring Aboriginal people, or the landlords who refuse to let Aboriginal people live in their houses. I am sure no employee or landlord would turn away Professor Langton, Professor Grant, Professor Davis,  Professor Pascoe, Professor Dodson. There are employers and landlords who refuse to hire or house Aboriginal people based purely on their Aboriginality. You know this, I know this, everyone knows this. Why pretend it doesn't happen? It's one of the main driving forces behind welfare dependency, homelessness, and crime. It's not their Aboriginality, obviously, as the professors who are just ax Aboriginal wouldn't  be turned away. I didn't say all employers or all landlords. I said: There are employers and landlords who refuse to hire or house Aboriginal people based purely on their Aboriginality. You know this, I know this, everyone knows this.  It's a fact. Why pretend it doesn't happen? It's one of the main driving forces behind welfare dependency, homelessness, and crime. It's not their Aboriginality, obviously, as the professors who are just as Aboriginal wouldn't  be turned away.

I didn't say all employers or all landlords.

I said:

There are employers and landlords who refuse to hire or house Aboriginal people based purely on their Aboriginality (or skin colour - many Indians are treated the same way).

You know this, I know this, everyone knows this.  It's a fact.

Why pretend it doesn't happen?

It's one of the main driving forces behind welfare dependency, homelessness, and crime.

Frank

Set ground rules re how certain toddlers ought to respond to you.

It totally disarms them. Take a look at my last 2 posts 😂🤣😆

Frank wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:35am:

Tthe point she’s trying to get across is: the historical narrative of Aboriginal people as victims since 1788 is counter-productive, constitutes a misleading “romanticism” of Aboriginal culture and works against Indigenous agency.

Here you go, more diversions (taken from 'The Oz' of course)  from the point she made about freeing blacks from "the shackles of welfare dependency - which she has no idea HOW to achieve, and is therefore only too willing to engage in the diversions you are about to tell us about. 


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The media will focus on the colonisation hook to discredit Price, but this misses the greater significance of her position: Price’s alternative vision for Indigenous Australians will have wide appeal and if the referendum is defeated it will trigger a new, different and divisive debate about how Australians relate to one another.

Exactly: and the gap between rich and poor, and those subject to the "shackles of welfare dependency".


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“If we keep telling Aboriginal people that they are victims, we are effectively removing their agency,” Price said.

And if we keep  pouring money into maintaining the poverty/welfare insdustry which Price correctly rails against?


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She denounced separatism and attributing the causes of Aboriginal disadvantage to “racism and colonisation”, saying that putting “grievance before fact” ruined commonsense policies.

FMD, I'm still waiting for her to identify these "common sense" policies.


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Asked about more people nominating themselves as Indigenous, Price knew why: that happened when you prioritised race, not need. This was Australia’s national blunder, putting race before need.

The fly in that argument is ...REAL blacks (ie of an 'aboriginal'  race)  have a decade shorter lifespan than non blacks, in Oz. 


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She speaks from the heart. She doesn’t speak the reconciliation vernacular or the culture of Aboriginal dispossession. Other politicians seem reluctant to challenge her. But that will change. The progressive elites will try to destroy her. She’s dangerous. Does she realise how dangerous her message is? She will unleash forces that will reverberate through the left and right of politics for years.

She will be exposed as another IPA/CIS ideologue, for whom "the poor are always with us" narrative is an acceptable narrative, ordained by 'nature'. 


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Price said the long-run goal should be the eventual phasing out of the separate Indigenous Australians ministers because they wouldn’t be required. A constitutionally enshrined voice implied “the gap will exist in perpetuity and that is not what we want”.

Yep...meanwhile the free market will eradicate  "the shackles of welfare dependency" and hence the gap (cough)....surely the triumph of blind ideology over reality.


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In short, she rejects the moral foundations on which much Indigenous policy in this country has been based for the past two generations. She rejects the narrative now dominant in our schools, universities, progressive media and corporations. Price, unsurprisingly, will interpret any defeat of the voice as having far wider implications for Australia.

"In short"?

More waffle, but the defeat will indeed force confronting the REAL issues re poverty in the modern world. 


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This is not what the Prime Minister envisaged when he launched this referendum, backed by an alliance of elite, corporate, celebrity, institutional, professional and sporting bodies on a scale unprecedented since World War II. Australia’s elites are in the process of being administered a huge shock. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/jacinta-prices-alternative-to-the-indigenous-voice-to-parliament-is-a-vision-for-the-future/news-story/4c36bbc221c22433a93aaf21b6e39974

Indeed Albo and many people of generous heart are grasping at straws - any straws - in an effort to close the gap. They will be forced to face reality when the Voice goes down.   


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She rejects the dominant narrative and that will have wide and significant implications. She is not saying anything new but when these things are said by European men they are glibly dismissed by the lazy and stupid progressives but cannot be so easily and glibly dismissed when articulated by a young Aboriginal woman in Parliament who actually lives among the Aboriginal people she speaks about.

It's a pity she isn't very intelligent, and is inflicted with the IPA/CIS unregulated freemarket virus.

Josh Butler: Senator Price, thank you for your speech. In your speech you claimed, ‘Some Indigenous organisations want to demonise colonial settlement.’ Can I ask you, do you believe the history of colonisation has an impact on some Indigenous Australians?

Senator Price: Ah, no. I’ll be honest with you, no. I don’t think so. Positive impact? Absolutely! I mean, now we’ve got running water, we’ve go readily available food. I mean, everything that my grandfather had when he was growing up – cause he first saw white fellas in his early adolescence – we now have. Otherwise he would have had to live off the land, provide for his family, and all of those measures which Aboriginal Australians, many of us have the same opportunity as all other Australians in this country.

We certainly have one of the greatest systems around the world in terms of the democratic structures in comparison to other countries. It is why migrants flock to Australia to call Australia home because of the opportunity that exists for all Australians.

But if we keep telling Aboriginal people that they are victims we are effectively removing their agency. And then we’re giving them the expectation that someone else is responsible for their lives. That is the worst possible thing you can do to any human being – to tell them that they are a victim without agency. And that’s what I refuse to do.

Josh Butler: Just a quick follow-up. So you don’t believe there’s any negative, ongoing impacts of colonisation on indigenous Australians today? Just to confirm.

Senator Price: No. There’s no ongoing negative impacts of colonisation. What I will say, which I have suggested obviously within my speech is that particularly for my family in remote communities again who live very close to traditional culture and who experience the highest rates of violence in the country, family violence, interpersonal violence … they experience that not because of the effects of colonisation, but because it’s expected that young girls are married off to older husbands in arranged marriages.

We haven’t had a feminist movement for Aboriginal women because we’ve been expected to toe the line in Aboriginal activism for the rights of our race. But our rights as women have been second place. And I have the lived experience. My mother has the lived experience as someone who was subject to traditional custom and expected to become the second wife in an arranged marriage.

There are still people living this way. And yet those who have held the narrative because they have had an education and access to media ignore the plight of those in communities. And this can’t continue to go on.





This is the cut-through, this is the paradigm shifting pivot.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:37am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:30am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:19am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:56pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; No it wasn’t vague. It was a succinct summary. (!)...."succinct" indeed; I was looking out during her entire speech for her policy to close the gap; her postulated  "common sense" policy was all we got. ....vague and succinct at the same time! Quote: If you have further questions why not ask her directly? Through Facebook. Did you know that out of all Australian politicians she has the most followers? Well follow her and ask her whatever you like. Do drop by again (under that ID) and let us know how you got on. Best of luck with that NotSoGreat. No need for me to ask her about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency" ...she obviously hasn't got a clue - because if "common sense" could achieve it, the gap would have been closed long ago. No it’s clear that you have an urgent need to ask Jacinta Price DIRECTLY! You keep mentioning the issue. In fact you’re fixated on it. And given it’s nearly 10 pm on a FRIDAY NIGHT that means you’re obsessed by what you obviously can’t understand. Off you go and click on Jacinta’s Facebook page. Ask her directly and immediately! Let us know how you get on. 👆 How’s your homework going NotSoGreat? Have you taken your finger out of your arse yet? Already answered in#53. Are you dumb or fraudulent; reply to #53, you fraud.  FFS NotSoGreat/Bwian/Linus You answered FRANK you wanker lying multi fraud! See why it’s not a good idea to smear OzPol with so many fake multi ids? Now that you’ve been pwned... log off. Your NotSoGreat ID is MUD!

The issues you demand I address - and seek Price's advice on -  are fully answered in post #53, you utter fraud.

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Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:44am:

Aussie wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:37am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:30am: Aussie wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:27am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:19am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:56pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; No it wasn’t vague. It was a succinct summary. (!)...."succinct" indeed; I was looking out during her entire speech for her policy to close the gap; her postulated  "common sense" policy was all we got. ....vague and succinct at the same time! Quote: If you have further questions why not ask her directly? Through Facebook. Did you know that out of all Australian politicians she has the most followers? Well follow her and ask her whatever you like. Do drop by again (under that ID) and let us know how you got on. Best of luck with that NotSoGreat. No need for me to ask her about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency" ...she obviously hasn't got a clue - because if "common sense" could achieve it, the gap would have been closed long ago. No it’s clear that you have an urgent need to ask Jacinta Price DIRECTLY! You keep mentioning the issue. In fact you’re fixated on it. And given it’s nearly 10 pm on a FRIDAY NIGHT that means you’re obsessed by what you obviously can’t understand. Off you go and click on Jacinta’s Facebook page. Ask her directly and immediately! Let us know how you get on. 👆 How’s your homework going NotSoGreat? Have you taken your finger out of your arse yet? You missed the point entirely. TGD was offering you a golden opportunity, a relevant chance to provide, perhaps showcase your own input into what the term "welfare dependency" means and then, how, in your view, that can be addressed. Over to you.  The floor is yours. That wasn’t the point. That was his way of transferring the point. I threw it back in his multi fake arse! It is his point, and you clearly are dodging the golden opportunity on a topical issue you have been offered.  As I said, this is your chance to demonstrate better than just a copy 'n paste from what you have read in Wiki. Aussie My topic is titled : The Jacinta Price Phenomenon. For whatever reason you’re reading it as : The Lisa Jones Phenomenon. It’s not! Stick to the topic. Or don’t bother posting in my topic at all. The choice is yours.

You clearly are dodging the golden opportunity on a topical issue you have been offered.  As I said, this is your chance to demonstrate better than just a copy 'n paste from what you have read in Wiki.  He is calling you a fraud and he is justified in doing so because you are failing to address that point.  Prove him wrong and show us what you believe Price meant when she used the term 'welfare dependency' and how that can be addressed.

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 12:07pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:37am: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:30am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:19am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:56pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; No it wasn’t vague. It was a succinct summary. (!)...."succinct" indeed; I was looking out during her entire speech for her policy to close the gap; her postulated  "common sense" policy was all we got. ....vague and succinct at the same time! Quote: If you have further questions why not ask her directly? Through Facebook. Did you know that out of all Australian politicians she has the most followers? Well follow her and ask her whatever you like. Do drop by again (under that ID) and let us know how you got on. Best of luck with that NotSoGreat. No need for me to ask her about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency" ...she obviously hasn't got a clue - because if "common sense" could achieve it, the gap would have been closed long ago. No it’s clear that you have an urgent need to ask Jacinta Price DIRECTLY! You keep mentioning the issue. In fact you’re fixated on it. And given it’s nearly 10 pm on a FRIDAY NIGHT that means you’re obsessed by what you obviously can’t understand. Off you go and click on Jacinta’s Facebook page. Ask her directly and immediately! Let us know how you get on. 👆 How’s your homework going NotSoGreat? Have you taken your finger out of your arse yet? Already answered in#53. Are you dumb or fraudulent; reply to #53, you fraud.  FFS NotSoGreat/Bwian/Linus You answered FRANK you wanker lying multi fraud! See why it’s not a good idea to smear OzPol with so many fake multi ids? Now that you’ve been pwned... log off. Your NotSoGreat ID is MUD! The issues you demand I address - and seek Price's advice on -  are fully answered in post #53, you utter fraud.

No you lying oxygen thief and multi fraud.

You answered Frank.

You’ve not answered me. Now hop to it! Quick sticks.

Oh BTW Tosspot  ... your multi ids are filthy murky mud just like you. And they deserve to be treated with the contempt and disregard they’ve earned.

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The issues you demand I address - and seek Price's advice on -  are fully answered in post #53.

Bollocks. You are parrotting the same mindlessly simplistic nonsense: give every dysfunctional welfare recipient a government job and... er.... that's it.



This is the repetitious bollocks from your post #53:
You already know my idea of "common sense',  when talking about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency".

To repeat: we all need to work to prosper - guaranteed by legislation - according to our ability, not according to the vicissitudes of competitive, 'invisible hand' markets driven solely by self-interest.

Your turn, what do you think Price has in mind re the "common sense" solution, to free blacks from the "shackles of welfare dependency"?

Last thing we heard from you is "close the black hell-holes"....

"Common sense", ain't it....   

Making indigenous ministries and agencies redundant is the best ultimate objective for Australia’s future in the affairs of Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islander peoples. That is the most positive and attractive argument put by indigenous coalition Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa 'Priceless' in the midst of the Voice referendum debate. No longer needed – because indigenous Australians have access to the path towards a ‘healthy, wealthy and wise’ life. That is the proper objective for Australia. Talk about visionary!
Andrew L Urban.


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Frank wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 12:07pm:

Josh Butler: Senator Price, thank you for your speech. In your speech you claimed, ‘Some Indigenous organisations want to demonise colonial settlement.’ Can I ask you, do you believe the history of colonisation has an impact on some Indigenous Australians?

I answered all this diversionary crap in #90, which you ignored (along with #53).

The question above shows the low IQ - or fraudulent ideology - of it's poser: of course there were many (undefined) "impacts" on the black Oz h-g culture. 


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Senator Price: Ah, no. I’ll be honest with you, no. I don’t think so. Positive impact? Absolutely! I mean, now we’ve got running water, we’ve go readily available food. I mean, everything that my grandfather had when he was growing up – cause he first saw white fellas in his early adolescence – we now have. Otherwise he would have had to live off the land, provide for his family, and all of those measures which Aboriginal Australians, many of us have the same opportunity as all other Australians in this country.

Only positive impact? Disregarding the egregious gap and 4th world poverty which exists in remote communuites today, and the crime and dysfunction in regional communities like the Alice. 


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We certainly have one of the greatest systems around the world in terms of the democratic structures in comparison to other countries. It is why migrants flock to Australia to call Australia home because of the opportunity that exists for all Australians.

Here we go: classic, confortable conservative "I'm alright jack" crap, hence we are the 'best country in the world' crap (even though 100k people were homeless in Oz last night).


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But if we keep telling Aboriginal people that they are victims we are effectively removing their agency.

No you dumbarse; if we keep maintaniing the poverty/ welfare industry with its fat cats who she rails about. 


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And then we’re giving them the expectation that someone else is responsible for their lives. That is the worst possible thing you can do to any human being – to tell them that they are a victim without agency. And that’s what I refuse to do.

Ah so...the individual is responsible for escaping the "shackles of welfare dependency". But did you know unemployment is expected to INCREASE (by design of the Reverse (sic)  Bank,  in Oz in the following 12 months?  Expectations?



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Josh Butler: Just a quick follow-up. So you don’t believe there’s any negative, ongoing impacts of colonisation on indigenous Australians today? Just to confirm. Senator Price: No. There’s no ongoing negative impacts of colonisation. What I will say, which I have suggested obviously within my speech is that particularly for my family in remote communities again who live very close to traditional culture and who experience the highest rates of violence in the country, family violence, interpersonal violence … they experience that not because of the effects of colonisation, but because it’s expected that young girls are married off to older husbands in arranged marriages.

Ok - contiunuing the (correct) equality,  and (inadequate) freemarket ideolgy....


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We haven’t had a feminist movement for Aboriginal women because we’ve been expected to toe the line in Aboriginal activism for the rights of our race. But our rights as women have been second place. And I have the lived experience. My mother has the lived experience as someone who was subject to traditional custom and expected to become the second wife in an arranged marriage. There are still people living this way. And yet those who have held the narrative because they have had an education and access to media ignore the plight of those in communities. And this can’t continue to go on.

Here endeth the IPA/CIS sermon.


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This is the cut-through, this is the paradigm shifting pivot.

How does educating everyone about feminism ensure access to 'agency-creating' employment?

Frank wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 12:18pm:

Quote: The issues you demand I address - and seek Price's advice on -  are fully answered in post #53. Bollocks. You are parrotting the same mindlessly simplistic nonsense: give every dysfunctional welfare recipient a government job and... er.... that's it.

1. There are necessary preliminary steps, requiring government intervention to deal with current levels of social dysfunction - other than "lock them up", before ensuring everyone has access to employment.

2. Individual "agency", which Price bangs on about, can only be achieved via a job which rewards the labour involved appropriately.

Still waiting: what's next after your "closing the black hell-holes" policy? 

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 12:07pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:37am: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:30am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:19am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:56pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; No it wasn’t vague. It was a succinct summary. (!)...."succinct" indeed; I was looking out during her entire speech for her policy to close the gap; her postulated  "common sense" policy was all we got. ....vague and succinct at the same time! Quote: If you have further questions why not ask her directly? Through Facebook. Did you know that out of all Australian politicians she has the most followers? Well follow her and ask her whatever you like. Do drop by again (under that ID) and let us know how you got on. Best of luck with that NotSoGreat. No need for me to ask her about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency" ...she obviously hasn't got a clue - because if "common sense" could achieve it, the gap would have been closed long ago. No it’s clear that you have an urgent need to ask Jacinta Price DIRECTLY! You keep mentioning the issue. In fact you’re fixated on it. And given it’s nearly 10 pm on a FRIDAY NIGHT that means you’re obsessed by what you obviously can’t understand. Off you go and click on Jacinta’s Facebook page. Ask her directly and immediately! Let us know how you get on. 👆 How’s your homework going NotSoGreat? Have you taken your finger out of your arse yet? Already answered in#53. Are you dumb or fraudulent; reply to #53, you fraud.  FFS NotSoGreat/Bwian/Linus You answered FRANK you wanker lying multi fraud! See why it’s not a good idea to smear OzPol with so many fake multi ids? Now that you’ve been pwned... log off. Your NotSoGreat ID is MUD! The issues you demand I address - and seek Price's advice on -  are fully answered in post #53, you utter fraud. No you lying oxygen thief and multi fraud. You answered Frank.

You demand I repeat #53 dealing with the issue of "common sense (appealed to by Price)  and eradicating welfare dependency,  and direct it you? You utter low IQ fraud. Here it is, again.

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Frank:YOU attacked Price's common sense notion.

tgd: FMD, no I didn't, I attacked her for not saying what the "common sense" solution is. Are you not intelligent enough to spot the difference?

Frank:What is YOUR idea of common sense? How is it different to Price's?

tgd: You already know my idea of "common sense',  when talking about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency".

To repeat: we all need to work to prosper - guaranteed by legislation - according to our ability, not according to the vicissitudes of competitive, 'invisible hand' markets driven solely by self-interest.

Your turn, what do you think Price has in mind re the "common sense" solution, to free blacks from the "shackles of welfare dependency"?

Last thing we heard from you is "close the black hell-holes"....

"Common sense", ain't it....   


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You’ve not answered me. Now hop to it! Quick sticks.[/quote]  You utter fraud, incapable of reading #53 yourself, forcing me to repeat it above... after you claimed  Price's  "common sense" ideas were 'succinct',  re ending "the shackles of welfare dependency" - with no explanation from her of what these "common sense" ideas are. You utter low IQ fraud.  [quote]Oh BTW Tosspot  ... your multi ids are filthy murky mud just like you. And they deserve to be treated with the contempt and disregard they’ve earned.

Your multi ID delusions are just another indication of your crippled  capacity for analysis,  due to low IQ and blind conservative ideology. "Deplorable".

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Frank wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 2:50pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:39pm: Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.  The ABC wouldn't have her. And it is silly and blinkered to assume, as you seem to, that ALL Aborigines are supposed to think like Burney or Pearson or Grant or Langton. It is this myopic, condescending 'mob mentality' that Price is such an elegant, articulate and with good humoured counter-weight to. No wonder Burney's first thought was 'betrayal'. Betrayal of the Aboriginal party line of victimhood and outsourced responsibility with zero accountability.

No, dear, betrayal to the mining and pastoral industries Price and her mob represent.

Jacinta Price is a card-carrying member of the IPA. She and her friend Warren Mundine represent a particular strain of Aborigines known as "uptown niggers".

Every community has them. They're often cops. Back in the day, they were trackers. They worked their way up in white society to become - the same. Same shack by the river, same wages garnered by the Protection Board, same drinking rights as the rest, i.e, none.

Their lives were often marred by tragedy, frowned upon by Whitey and rejected by their own. These days, they make a home in aspiration, consumption, brand identification and displays of wealth. The gates of the church are always open, and many find a place in prosperity-gospel churches like Hillsong. Their kids are brought up to be white - just how you'd like them to be.

Jacinta Price will never be at home in the Liberal Party. She will always be treated as what she is - a loud-talking Jacky Jacky. Right now, she's tolerated for this, it's just what they need. After she's served her purpose, Jacinta Price will be put back in her box. She will never become the Bronwyn or Julie Bishop she no doubt would love to be, and she knows it. We all do.

Jacinta Price's job is to protect the interests of Consolidated Pastoral, NapCo, Rio Tinto and BHP. Their job is to fence off and dig up our land. You don't want a bunch of Boongs with a voice getting in the way of that.

As for you, you don't want a bunch of Boongs with a voice at all. When you bought your ticket to Australia, you assumed you'd land in a nice, white country with lots of nice, tanned people. You got the first part wrong, but that's okay.

Don't like it? You know what to do.

I blame Islam.

Karnal wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 1:24pm:

No, dear, betrayal to the mining and pastoral industries Price and her mob represent. Jacinta Price is a card-carrying member of the IPA. She and her friend Warren Mundine represent a particular strain of Aborigines known as "uptown black people". Every community has them. They're often cops. Back in the day, they were trackers. They worked their way up in white society to become - the same. Same shack by the river, same wages garnered by the Protection Board, same drinking rights as the rest, i.e, none. Their lives were often marred by tragedy, frowned upon by Whitey and rejected by their own. These days, they make a home in aspiration, consumption and dubious displays of wealth. Their kids are brought up to be white - just how you'd like them to be. Jacinta Price will never be at home in the Liberal Party. She will always be treated as what she is - a loud-talking Jacky Jacky. Right now, she's tolerated for this, it's just what they need. After she's served her purpose, Jacinta Price will be put back in her box. She will never become the Bronwyn or Julie Bishop she no doubt would love to be, and she knows it. We all do. Jacinta Price's job is to protect the interests of Consolidated Pastoral, NapCo, Rio Tinto and BHP. Their job is to fence off and dig up our land. You don't want a bunch of Boongs with a voice getting in the way of that. As for you, you don't want a bunch of Boongs with a voice at all. When you bought your ticket to Australia, you assumed you'd land in a nice, white country with lots of nice, tanned people. You got the first part wrong, but that's okay. Don't like it? You know what to do.

well said!

Karnal wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 1:24pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:50pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 2:39pm: Jacinta Price is the exact reason why the Indigenous people of Australia need an independent voice to the government.   She is an example of why the currently elected "voices" does not work.  Because they are always party first, and indigenous second.  She is a contributor to the Australian newspaper, political commentator to sky news, and representative of country liberal party.  So she has to follow the party line, otherwise, all of her job roles and income streams will be in jeopardy.  The ABC wouldn't have her. And it is silly and blinkered to assume, as you seem to, that ALL Aborigines are supposed to think like Burney or Pearson or Grant or Langton. It is this myopic, condescending 'mob mentality' that Price is such an elegant, articulate and with good humoured counter-weight to. No wonder Burney's first thought was 'betrayal'. Betrayal of the Aboriginal party line of victimhood and outsourced responsibility with zero accountability. No, dear, betrayal to the mining and pastoral industries Price and her mob represent. Jacinta Price is a card-carrying member of the IPA. She and her friend Warren Mundine represent a particular strain of Aborigines known as "uptown niggers". Every community has them. They're often cops. Back in the day, they were trackers. They worked their way up in white society to become - the same. Same shack by the river, same wages garnered by the Protection Board, same drinking rights as the rest, i.e, none. Their lives were often marred by tragedy, frowned upon by Whitey and rejected by their own. These days, they make a home in aspiration, consumption, brand identification and displays of wealth. The gates of the church are always open, and many find a place in prosperity-gospel churches like Hillsong. Their kids are brought up to be white - just how you'd like them to be. Jacinta Price will never be at home in the Liberal Party. She will always be treated as what she is - a loud-talking Jacky Jacky. Right now, she's tolerated for this, it's just what they need. After she's served her purpose, Jacinta Price will be put back in her box. She will never become the Bronwyn or Julie Bishop she no doubt would love to be, and she knows it. We all do. Jacinta Price's job is to protect the interests of Consolidated Pastoral, NapCo, Rio Tinto and BHP. Their job is to fence off and dig up our land. You don't want a bunch of Boongs with a voice getting in the way of that. As for you, you don't want a bunch of Boongs with a voice at all. When you bought your ticket to Australia, you assumed you'd land in a nice, white country with lots of nice, tanned people. You got the first part wrong, but that's okay.

Why are you referring to the Labor Party and its policies?

Just a heads up. You tried the same stunt under your other id.

Karnal wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 1:24pm:

No, dear, betrayal to the mining and pastoral industries Price and her mob represent. Jacinta Price is a card-carrying member of the IPA. She and her friend Warren Mundine represent a particular strain of Aborigines known as "uptown niggers". Every community has them. They're often cops. Back in the day, they were trackers. They worked their way up in white society to become - the same. Same shack by the river, same wages garnered by the Protection Board, same drinking rights as the rest, i.e, none. Their lives were often marred by tragedy, frowned upon by Whitey and rejected by their own. These days, they make a home in aspiration, consumption, brand identification and displays of wealth. The gates of the church are always open, and many find a place in prosperity-gospel churches like Hillsong. Their kids are brought up to be white - just how you'd like them to be. Jacinta Price will never be at home in the Liberal Party. She will always be treated as what she is - a loud-talking Jacky Jacky. Right now, she's tolerated for this, it's just what they need. After she's served her purpose, Jacinta Price will be put back in her box. She will never become the Bronwyn or Julie Bishop she no doubt would love to be, and she knows it. We all do. Jacinta Price's job is to protect the interests of Consolidated Pastoral, NapCo, Rio Tinto and BHP. Their job is to fence off and dig up our land. You don't want a bunch of Boongs with a voice getting in the way of that. As for you, you don't want a bunch of Boongs with a voice at all. When you bought your ticket to Australia, you assumed you'd land in a nice, white country with lots of nice, tanned people. You got the first part wrong, but that's okay. Don't like it? You know what to do.

Stupid, stuck in the mud Langtonite idiocy, paki. 
Stupid lefty mongs like you want to destroy everyone who doesn't follow your clapped out 70s Marxist ideological crap. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 12:15pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 12:07pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:37am: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:30am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 11:19am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:56pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:08pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:38pm: Price launched defamation proceedings against the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in 2019 in response to its coverage of her "Mind the Gap" tour. She received a full public apology for "false and defamatory" material in April 2021. Meanwhile, from your own (wiki?) link in the OP, we learn that Price said: "In her first speech to parliament she spoke of wanting to support jobs and business in the NT, rather than the shackles of welfare dependency". She vaguely mentiond employing "common sense' to achieve this, in her Press Club speech yesterday; No it wasn’t vague. It was a succinct summary. (!)...."succinct" indeed; I was looking out during her entire speech for her policy to close the gap; her postulated  "common sense" policy was all we got. ....vague and succinct at the same time! Quote: If you have further questions why not ask her directly? Through Facebook. Did you know that out of all Australian politicians she has the most followers? Well follow her and ask her whatever you like. Do drop by again (under that ID) and let us know how you got on. Best of luck with that NotSoGreat. No need for me to ask her about "freeing people from the shackles of welfare dependency" ...she obviously hasn't got a clue - because if "common sense" could achieve it, the gap would have been closed long ago. No it’s clear that you have an urgent need to ask Jacinta Price DIRECTLY! You keep mentioning the issue. In fact you’re fixated on it. And given it’s nearly 10 pm on a FRIDAY NIGHT that means you’re obsessed by what you obviously can’t understand. Off you go and click on Jacinta’s Facebook page. Ask her directly and immediately! Let us know how you get on. 👆 How’s your homework going NotSoGreat? Have you taken your finger out of your arse yet? Already answered in#53. Are you dumb or fraudulent; reply to #53, you fraud.  FFS NotSoGreat/Bwian/Linus You answered FRANK you wanker lying multi fraud! See why it’s not a good idea to smear OzPol with so many fake multi ids? Now that you’ve been pwned... log off. Your NotSoGreat ID is MUD! The issues you demand I address - and seek Price's advice on -  are fully answered in post #53, you utter fraud. No you lying oxygen thief and multi fraud. You answered Frank. You demand I repeat #53 dealing with the issue of "common sense (appealed to by Price)  and eradicating welfare dependency,  and direct it you?

No. And only a multi moronic mental midget like you would even invent that such a demand ever existed 😂🤣😆

Karnal wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 1:24pm:

No, dear, betrayal to the mining and pastoral industries Price and her mob represent. Jacinta Price is a card-carrying member of the IPA. She and her friend Warren Mundine represent a particular strain of Aborigines known as "uptown niggers". Every community has them. They're often cops. Back in the day, they were trackers. They worked their way up in white society to become - the same. Same shack by the river, same wages garnered by the Protection Board, same drinking rights as the rest, i.e, none. Their lives were often marred by tragedy, frowned upon by Whitey and rejected by their own. These days, they make a home in aspiration, consumption, brand identification and displays of wealth. The gates of the church are always open, and many find a place in prosperity-gospel churches like Hillsong. Their kids are brought up to be white - just how you'd like them to be. Jacinta Price will never be at home in the Liberal Party. She will always be treated as what she is - a loud-talking Jacky Jacky. Right now, she's tolerated for this, it's just what they need. After she's served her purpose, Jacinta Price will be put back in her box. She will never become the Bronwyn or Julie Bishop she no doubt would love to be, and she knows it. We all do. Jacinta Price's job is to protect the interests of Consolidated Pastoral, NapCo, Rio Tinto and BHP. Their job is to fence off and dig up our land. You don't want a bunch of Boongs with a voice getting in the way of that. As for you, you don't want a bunch of Boongs with a voice at all. When you bought your ticket to Australia, you assumed you'd land in a nice, white country with lots of nice, tanned people. You got the first part wrong, but that's okay. Don't like it? You know what to do.

Stupid, stuck in the mud Langtonite idiocy, paki. 
Stupid lefty mongs like you want to destroy everyone who doesn't follow your clapped out 70s Marxist ideological crap. 

The hatred directed at Price shows just how much the usual suspects fear her.  She is the refutation of the racial ideology they hold dear - that Aboriginal  people, especially women, cannot look after themselves and need the paternalistic overlordship of right thinking white people and some token black activitsts to save them from themselves. 

John Smith wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 1:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 1:24pm: No, dear, betrayal to the mining and pastoral industries Price and her mob represent. Jacinta Price is a card-carrying member of the IPA. She and her friend Warren Mundine represent a particular strain of Aborigines known as "uptown black people". Every community has them. They're often cops. Back in the day, they were trackers. They worked their way up in white society to become - the same. Same shack by the river, same wages garnered by the Protection Board, same drinking rights as the rest, i.e, none. Their lives were often marred by tragedy, frowned upon by Whitey and rejected by their own. These days, they make a home in aspiration, consumption and dubious displays of wealth. Their kids are brought up to be white - just how you'd like them to be. Jacinta Price will never be at home in the Liberal Party. She will always be treated as what she is - a loud-talking Jacky Jacky. Right now, she's tolerated for this, it's just what they need. After she's served her purpose, Jacinta Price will be put back in her box. She will never become the Bronwyn or Julie Bishop she no doubt would love to be, and she knows it. We all do. Jacinta Price's job is to protect the interests of Consolidated Pastoral, NapCo, Rio Tinto and BHP. Their job is to fence off and dig up our land. You don't want a bunch of Boongs with a voice getting in the way of that. As for you, you don't want a bunch of Boongs with a voice at all. When you bought your ticket to Australia, you assumed you'd land in a nice, white country with lots of nice, tanned people. You got the first part wrong, but that's okay. Don't like it? You know what to do. well said!

How dare they. Coconuts. Race traitors.

The voice will put them in their place.

The non-Aboriginal resentment of Price's stand is likely fueled by a cynicism born out of white guilt - being: 'if we give Aboriginal peoples more money and power, they'll forgive past generational wrongs and learn to love us'.

Not only is that not true in Australia, it's not true for any similar case anywhere in the world - envelope-pushing invariably leads to demands for more, based on the concept that there is no such thing as enough, particularly when the rewards are high.

Albanese's 'doing a Bob Hawke' by getting over-emotional about the Yes campaign indicates he's hoping, by that, he'll be loved by Aboriginal peoples.

He won't be.

Give her a tent and send her out to Uluru to be with her own kind. It will make everyone feel better. Then we can start a program to break her poverty cycle.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 2:58pm:

The non-Aboriginal resentment of Price's stand is likely fueled by a cynicism born out of white guilt - being: 'if we give Aboriginal peoples more money and power, they'll forgive past generational wrongs and learn to love us'. Not only is that not true in Australia, it's not true for any similar case anywhere in the world - envelope-pushing invariably leads to demands for more, based on the concept that there is no such thing as enough, particularly when the rewards are high.

Where do you get this tosh from?  I don't 'resent' her at all.  I do say she is an Uncle Tom apologist hypocrite who has her nose in the very trough she pretends to dislike.  She has learned how to game the system and stay within conservative politics.  She's more "white" than her Daddy.

Maybe that's it.  She has 'White Daddy' guilt issues.  After all, if you are going to impute motives onto me, I can do the same, yes?

Aussie wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 3:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 2:58pm: The non-Aboriginal resentment of Price's stand is likely fueled by a cynicism born out of white guilt - being: 'if we give Aboriginal peoples more money and power, they'll forgive past generational wrongs and learn to love us'. Not only is that not true in Australia, it's not true for any similar case anywhere in the world - envelope-pushing invariably leads to demands for more, based on the concept that there is no such thing as enough, particularly when the rewards are high. Where do you get this tosh from?  I don't 'resent' her at all.  I do say she is an Uncle Tom apologist hypocrite who has her nose in the very trough she pretends to dislike.  She has learned how to game the system and stay within conservative politics.  She's more "white" than her Daddy. Maybe that's it.  She has 'White Daddy' guilt issues.  After all, if you are going to impute motives onto me, I can do the same, yes?

No resentment in that dump above, eh!

I'd bet that Albanese is seen as nothing more than a useful idiot by Aboriginal Yes-vote activists.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 3:06pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 3:02pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 2:58pm: The non-Aboriginal resentment of Price's stand is likely fueled by a cynicism born out of white guilt - being: 'if we give Aboriginal peoples more money and power, they'll forgive past generational wrongs and learn to love us'. Not only is that not true in Australia, it's not true for any similar case anywhere in the world - envelope-pushing invariably leads to demands for more, based on the concept that there is no such thing as enough, particularly when the rewards are high. Where do you get this tosh from?  I don't 'resent' her at all.  I do say she is an Uncle Tom apologist hypocrite who has her nose in the very trough she pretends to dislike.  She has learned how to game the system and stay within conservative politics.  She's more "white" than her Daddy. Maybe that's it.  She has 'White Daddy' guilt issues.  After all, if you are going to impute motives onto me, I can do the same, yes? No resentment in that dump above, eh! I'd bet that Albanese is seen as nothing more than a useful idiot by Aboriginal Yes-vote activists.

Correct.  If I describe an object accurately, because I did so in terms you disagree with, does not ipso facto mean I am expressing 'resentment.'

Mere accuracy.

Aussie wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 3:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 2:58pm: The non-Aboriginal resentment of Price's stand is likely fueled by a cynicism born out of white guilt - being: 'if we give Aboriginal peoples more money and power, they'll forgive past generational wrongs and learn to love us'. Not only is that not true in Australia, it's not true for any similar case anywhere in the world - envelope-pushing invariably leads to demands for more, based on the concept that there is no such thing as enough, particularly when the rewards are high. Where do you get this tosh from?  I don't 'resent' her at all.  I do say she is an Uncle Tom apologist hypocrite who has her nose in the very trough she pretends to dislike.  She has learned how to game the system and stay within conservative politics.  She's more "white" than her Daddy. Maybe that's it.  She has 'White Daddy' guilt issues.  After all, if you are going to impute motives onto me, I can do the same, yes?

Price is honest and open and proud about both her cultural heritage roots. Where/when did you dream the bit about white daddy guilt? Asking for a friend. 😐

Belgarion wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 2:42pm:

The hatred directed at Price shows just how much the usual suspects fear her.  She is the refutation of the racial ideology they hold dear - that Aboriginal  people, especially women, cannot look after themselves and need the paternalistic overlordship of right thinking white people and some token black activitsts to save them from themselves.

That’s essentially why/what so many Aboriginal and non Aboriginal women love about her. I’m one of them 😎

Frank wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 2:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 1:24pm: No, dear, betrayal to the mining and pastoral industries Price and her mob represent. Jacinta Price is a card-carrying member of the IPA. She and her friend Warren Mundine represent a particular strain of Aborigines known as "uptown niggers". Every community has them. They're often cops. Back in the day, they were trackers. They worked their way up in white society to become - the same. Same shack by the river, same wages garnered by the Protection Board, same drinking rights as the rest, i.e, none. Their lives were often marred by tragedy, frowned upon by Whitey and rejected by their own. These days, they make a home in aspiration, consumption, brand identification and displays of wealth. The gates of the church are always open, and many find a place in prosperity-gospel churches like Hillsong. Their kids are brought up to be white - just how you'd like them to be. Jacinta Price will never be at home in the Liberal Party. She will always be treated as what she is - a loud-talking Jacky Jacky. Right now, she's tolerated for this, it's just what they need. After she's served her purpose, Jacinta Price will be put back in her box. She will never become the Bronwyn or Julie Bishop she no doubt would love to be, and she knows it. We all do. Jacinta Price's job is to protect the interests of Consolidated Pastoral, NapCo, Rio Tinto and BHP. Their job is to fence off and dig up our land. You don't want a bunch of Boongs with a voice getting in the way of that. As for you, you don't want a bunch of Boongs with a voice at all. When you bought your ticket to Australia, you assumed you'd land in a nice, white country with lots of nice, tanned people. You got the first part wrong, but that's okay. Don't like it? You know what to do. Stupid, stuck in the mud Langtonite idiocy, paki.  Stupid lefty mongs like you want to destroy everyone who doesn't follow your clapped out 70s Marxist ideological crap.

Good show, dear boy. Carry on with your lines.

I want that written a hundred times by this afternoon.

Be sure to check your spelling. If I see one mishtake, I'll be sending you up to Ms Langton.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 3:06pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 3:02pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 2:58pm: The non-Aboriginal resentment of Price's stand is likely fueled by a cynicism born out of white guilt - being: 'if we give Aboriginal peoples more money and power, they'll forgive past generational wrongs and learn to love us'. Not only is that not true in Australia, it's not true for any similar case anywhere in the world - envelope-pushing invariably leads to demands for more, based on the concept that there is no such thing as enough, particularly when the rewards are high. Where do you get this tosh from?  I don't 'resent' her at all.  I do say she is an Uncle Tom apologist hypocrite who has her nose in the very trough she pretends to dislike.  She has learned how to game the system and stay within conservative politics.  She's more "white" than her Daddy. Maybe that's it.  She has 'White Daddy' guilt issues.  After all, if you are going to impute motives onto me, I can do the same, yes? No resentment in that dump above, eh! I'd bet that Albanese is seen as nothing more than a useful idiot by Aboriginal Yes-vote activists.

Correct. By those Abo Yes Activists who will be the only ones to gain from the Voice. The rest won’t be heard. Just these few Yes Activists. In fact THAT is why so many Aboriginals will be voting NO!

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 3:17pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 3:02pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 2:58pm: The non-Aboriginal resentment of Price's stand is likely fueled by a cynicism born out of white guilt - being: 'if we give Aboriginal peoples more money and power, they'll forgive past generational wrongs and learn to love us'. Not only is that not true in Australia, it's not true for any similar case anywhere in the world - envelope-pushing invariably leads to demands for more, based on the concept that there is no such thing as enough, particularly when the rewards are high. Where do you get this tosh from?  I don't 'resent' her at all.  I do say she is an Uncle Tom apologist hypocrite who has her nose in the very trough she pretends to dislike.  She has learned how to game the system and stay within conservative politics.  She's more "white" than her Daddy. Maybe that's it.  She has 'White Daddy' guilt issues.  After all, if you are going to impute motives onto me, I can do the same, yes? Price is honest and open and proud about both her cultural heritage roots. Where/when did you dream the bit about white daddy guilt? Asking for a friend. 😐

The same place Mr Eckhart dreamed the bit about accusing me of 'guilt.'

freediver wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 2:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 1:28pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 1:24pm: No, dear, betrayal to the mining and pastoral industries Price and her mob represent. Jacinta Price is a card-carrying member of the IPA. She and her friend Warren Mundine represent a particular strain of Aborigines known as "uptown black people". Every community has them. They're often cops. Back in the day, they were trackers. They worked their way up in white society to become - the same. Same shack by the river, same wages garnered by the Protection Board, same drinking rights as the rest, i.e, none. Their lives were often marred by tragedy, frowned upon by Whitey and rejected by their own. These days, they make a home in aspiration, consumption and dubious displays of wealth. Their kids are brought up to be white - just how you'd like them to be. Jacinta Price will never be at home in the Liberal Party. She will always be treated as what she is - a loud-talking Jacky Jacky. Right now, she's tolerated for this, it's just what they need. After she's served her purpose, Jacinta Price will be put back in her box. She will never become the Bronwyn or Julie Bishop she no doubt would love to be, and she knows it. We all do. Jacinta Price's job is to protect the interests of Consolidated Pastoral, NapCo, Rio Tinto and BHP. Their job is to fence off and dig up our land. You don't want a bunch of Boongs with a voice getting in the way of that. As for you, you don't want a bunch of Boongs with a voice at all. When you bought your ticket to Australia, you assumed you'd land in a nice, white country with lots of nice, tanned people. You got the first part wrong, but that's okay. Don't like it? You know what to do. well said! How dare they. Coconuts. Race traitors. The voice will put them in their place.

Just so. If a Brazilian mining conglomerate wanted to mine an Aboriginal sacred site and destroy 46,000 year old cave paintings, you'd expect a voice to have something to say about that.

An Aboriginal MP would not. Jacinta Price is elected by voters to represent the traditional owners of the land - Rio Tinto.

You?

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 3:18pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 16th, 2023 at 2:42pm: The hatred directed at Price shows just how much the usual suspects fear her.  She is the refutation of the racial ideology they hold dear - that Aboriginal  people, especially women, cannot look after themselves and need the paternalistic overlordship of right thinking white people and some token black activitsts to save them from themselves.  That’s essentially why/what so many Aboriginal and non Aboriginal women love about her. I’m one of them 😎

Yet, at the same time, you cannot explain what she says.