Do we, in Australia have any right to self defence?
Does anyone believe that we don’t?

In Australia even if someone had genuine death threats made against them -
they are not allowed to buy a gun to defend themselves.
Their only legal solution to avoid being murdered
would be to go overseas and change their name.

If they did use a gun to defend themselves and killed an assassin
they would be charged with murder and gun offences.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 8:04am:

In Australia even if someone had genuine death threats made against them - they are not allowed to buy a gun to defend themselves. Their only legal solution to avoid being murdered would be to go overseas and change their name. If they did use a gun to defend themselves and killed an assassin they would be charged with murder and gun offences.

Horseshit.

Why you bought onto this obvious click bait Thread has me stuffed.

Booby isn’t very bright, Aussie, you should know that by now, surely?

He is also a nasty piece of work—doxxing, trolling, stealing, lying and blackmailing.

Booby a self aggrandising loudmouth buffoon.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 8:04am:

In Australia even if someone had genuine death threats made against them - they are not allowed to buy a gun to defend themselves. Their only legal solution to avoid being murdered would be to go overseas and change their name. If they did use a gun to defend themselves and killed an assassin they would be charged with murder and gun offences.

What is the basis for this comment Bobby? I wouldn’t mind seeing it.

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 8:29am:

He is also a nasty piece of work—doxxing, stealing, lying and blackmailing.

There’s no need to post off-topic remarks which project YOUR issues in this topic Monk. We already know exactly who and what YOU are.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 7:41am:

self defence?

There are some expensive and attractive fences for yourself.
A gated community (or walled community) is a form of residential community or housing estate containing strictly controlled entrances for pedestrians and gunmen with high velocity Middle Eastern machine guns and short range missiles.

In QLD, you're allowed to pin kids to trees if they throw a bottle of creaming soda at your taxi.

Gordon wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:12am:

In QLD, you're allowed to pin kids to trees if they throw a bottle of creaming soda at your taxi.

If someone throws a bottle at your car and it hits the windscreen it could cause a serious accident. I doubt you’d be in a position to do much more than call 000 and ask for police AND an ambulance.

Simple Physics

F = ma

It’s dangerous esp if said car was travelling towards the projectile. Where’s Freediver? He probably won’t mind chatting about Vector Analysis.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Gordon wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:12am: In QLD, you're allowed to pin kids to trees if they throw a bottle of creaming soda at your taxi. If someone throws a bottle at your car and it hits the windscreen it could cause a serious accident. I doubt you’d be in a position to do much more than call 000 and ask for police AND an ambulance. Simple Physics F = MA It’s dangerous esp if said car was travelling towards the projectile.

What if the car is parked on school grounds at the time?

Sir Eoin O Fada leads his vigilante squad in defence against the Celtic Terrorist State of New England. He often drives by the house of Gunman dÚsachtach na Sean-Éireann asking him to make Eoin's day. The Christmas reindeer on Gunman's house usually gets a season greeting at point blank range.

Gordon wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:25am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:20am: Gordon wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:12am: In QLD, you're allowed to pin kids to trees if they throw a bottle of creaming soda at your taxi. If someone throws a bottle at your car and it hits the windscreen it could cause a serious accident. I doubt you’d be in a position to do much more than call 000 and ask for police AND an ambulance. Simple Physics F = ma It’s dangerous esp if said car was travelling towards the projectile. Where’s Freediver? He probably won’t mind chatting about Vector Analysis. What if the car is parked on school grounds at the time?

Would said parked taxi have an Aussie sitting in it at the time the bottle of soda was thrown?

Bobby,
Who said anything about guns?

Aussie,
I’m quite serious and look forward to your contributions as a retired lawyer.

The bottle of creaming soda can be shot.
As the name suggests, the Alcohol Shot Gun will shoot a shot of your favourite drink straight into your mouth without touching the sides!
https://www.catch.com.au/product/alcohol-shot-gun-4140603

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:28am:

Gordon wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:25am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:20am: Gordon wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:12am: In QLD, you're allowed to pin kids to trees if they throw a bottle of creaming soda at your taxi. If someone throws a bottle at your car and it hits the windscreen it could cause a serious accident. I doubt you’d be in a position to do much more than call 000 and ask for police AND an ambulance. Simple Physics F = ma It’s dangerous esp if said car was travelling towards the projectile. Where’s Freediver? He probably won’t mind chatting about Vector Analysis. What if the car is parked on school grounds at the time? Would said parked taxi have an Aussie sitting in it at the time the bottle of soda was thrown?

IIRC, the Aussie had just got out of said parked taxi.
And to be forensic of his exact words, there was no threat of another bottle being thrown so the act of pinning was punitive and not preventative.

Gordon wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:40am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:28am: Gordon wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:25am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:20am: Gordon wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:12am: In QLD, you're allowed to pin kids to trees if they throw a bottle of creaming soda at your taxi. If someone throws a bottle at your car and it hits the windscreen it could cause a serious accident. I doubt you’d be in a position to do much more than call 000 and ask for police AND an ambulance. Simple Physics F = ma It’s dangerous esp if said car was travelling towards the projectile. Where’s Freediver? He probably won’t mind chatting about Vector Analysis. What if the car is parked on school grounds at the time? Would said parked taxi have an Aussie sitting in it at the time the bottle of soda was thrown? IIRC, the Aussie had just got out of said parked taxi. And to be forensic of his exact words, there was no threat of another bottle being thrown so the act of pinning was punitive and not preventative.

Did the trajectory of said bottle of creaming soda follow the trajectory of this 👇

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBz3PqA2Fmc

Ξ from 50 seconds 👉

Gordon wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:12am:

In QLD, you're allowed to pin kids to trees if they throw a bottle of creaming soda at your taxi.

This allows a bow and arrow being fired to pin the kid. But LBGT are safe at schools. Unless Eoin does a genital shot.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:48am:

Gordon wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:40am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:28am: Gordon wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:25am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:20am: Gordon wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:12am: In QLD, you're allowed to pin kids to trees if they throw a bottle of creaming soda at your taxi. If someone throws a bottle at your car and it hits the windscreen it could cause a serious accident. I doubt you’d be in a position to do much more than call 000 and ask for police AND an ambulance. Simple Physics F = ma It’s dangerous esp if said car was travelling towards the projectile. Where’s Freediver? He probably won’t mind chatting about Vector Analysis. What if the car is parked on school grounds at the time? Would said parked taxi have an Aussie sitting in it at the time the bottle of soda was thrown? IIRC, the Aussie had just got out of said parked taxi. And to be forensic of his exact words, there was no threat of another bottle being thrown so the act of pinning was punitive and not preventative. Did the trajectory of said bottle of creaming soda follow the trajectory of this 👇 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBz3PqA2Fmc Ξ from 50 seconds 👉

Which brings up so many questions.
Aussie tried, convicted and punished the 'retard' on the testimony of others.

Was the kid he pinned a patsy?
Was there a second bottle thrower?

Taxi speed is 60kmh. Maximum cricket ball is ~150kmh and a horizontally opposed strike is 210kmh. Arrow velocity is 320kmh which allows a preventative shot, otherwise the taxi driver is blinded by explosive soda.

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 8:22am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 8:04am: In Australia even if someone had genuine death threats made against them - they are not allowed to buy a gun to defend themselves. Their only legal solution to avoid being murdered would be to go overseas and change their name. If they did use a gun to defend themselves and killed an assassin they would be charged with murder and gun offences. Horseshit. Why you bought onto this obvious click bait Thread has me stuffed.

Aussie - you are wrong:

https://www.criminaldefencelawyers.com.au/blog/weapons-licensing-laws-in-australia/


Are Self Defence Weapons in Australia Legal?


Jimmy Singh

Mr. Jimmy Singh is the Principal Lawyer at Criminal Defence Lawyers Australia - Leading Criminal Lawyers in Sydney, Delivering Exceptional Results in all Australian Criminal Courts.


Other than body armour vests,
weapons are illegal to carry or use for self-defence purposes in Australia generally. Western Australia is the only place in Australia that allow you to carry an OC, capsicum or pepper spray for self-defence purposes in circumstances you have reasonable grounds to apprehend or lawful excuse. Every other state and territory laws make it illegal to possess or use a prohibited weapon for self-defence or protection purposes.

In NSW possessing or using a prohibited weapon for self-defence, or for protecting someone else is not considered a “genuine reason” to have a weapons permit, unless the weapon is a body armour vest or similar article designed for anti-ballistic purposes i.e. to protect against electric shocks or conducted energy devices and is to be worn on or to cover any body part (but not including helmets or anti-ballistic articles used to protect the eyes or ears).

The same applies to women using weapons for self-defence purposes. This is still illegal without a valid permit in NSW, except for Western Australia.

Have you seen Aussie's car? It had lines of holes across the doors and now has 6mm manganese steel plate welded on.

Quote:

Do Australians have the right to self defence?

It is a limited defense, if you were to kill or seriously injure someone in self defence it would be difficult to prove that you didn't use excessive force.

I know a guy who beat up 3 guys who broke into his home. He was almost arrested.

Notice this list of genuine reasons to get a firearms license does not include self defence?


https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/online_services/firearms/licences


Genuine Reasons

Sport / Target Shooting

Recreational Hunting / Vermin Control

Primary Production

Vertebrate Pest Animal Control

Business or Employment

Rural Occupation

Animal Welfare

Firearms collector

Sir Eoin is becoming a Person of Interest to NSW Police.

To put this as simply as possible, you have the right to self defence as long as the force used is reasonable under the circumstances.  So if you kill someone a court will decide if this was reasonable or not.

Belgarion wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:24pm:

To put this as simply as possible, you have the right to self defence as long as the force used is reasonable under the circumstances.  So if you kill someone a court will decide if this was reasonable or not.

That's true but of course a court case is a very expensive and dangerous exercise.

The fact is you can't go to a police station and
apply for a gun license and say that - for example:

" I'm worried about home invasions - my reason for wanting a gun license is for self defence"

You also can't say -
" I have genuine death threats made against me -
my reason for wanting a gun license is for self defence"

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 1:24pm: To put this as simply as possible, you have the right to self defence as long as the force used is reasonable under the circumstances.  So if you kill someone a court will decide if this was reasonable or not. That's true but of course a court case is a very expensive and dangerous exercise. The fact is you can't go to a police station and apply for a gun license and say that - for example: " I'm worried about home invasions - my reason for wanting a gun license is for self defence" You also can't say - " I have genuine death threats made against me - my reason for wanting a gun license is for self defence"

All studies, reports, and statistics show that: a) owning a gun doesn't make you safer in your home, and; b) the use of guns in self-defense by private citizens is extremely rare.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 1:29pm: Belgarion wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 1:24pm: To put this as simply as possible, you have the right to self defence as long as the force used is reasonable under the circumstances.  So if you kill someone a court will decide if this was reasonable or not. That's true but of course a court case is a very expensive and dangerous exercise. The fact is you can't go to a police station and apply for a gun license and say that - for example: " I'm worried about home invasions - my reason for wanting a gun license is for self defence" You also can't say - " I have genuine death threats made against me - my reason for wanting a gun license is for self defence" All studies, reports, and statistics show that: a) owning a gun doesn't make you safer in your home, and; b) the use of guns in self-defense by private citizens is extremely rare.

That's true -
how would you defend yourself in the 2 examples I made above?

Belgarion wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:24pm:

To put this as simply as possible, .

Eoin can't shoot Seamus, normally.

Why the fixation with guns?

The law prohibits the possession of ANYTHING for the purpose of self defence.
And where you keep it can alter its classification, in one room of the house it could be legal but if kept in another room it could be illegal.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 1:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 1:37pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 1:29pm: Belgarion wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 1:24pm: To put this as simply as possible, you have the right to self defence as long as the force used is reasonable under the circumstances.  So if you kill someone a court will decide if this was reasonable or not. That's true but of course a court case is a very expensive and dangerous exercise. The fact is you can't go to a police station and apply for a gun license and say that - for example: " I'm worried about home invasions - my reason for wanting a gun license is for self defence" You also can't say - " I have genuine death threats made against me - my reason for wanting a gun license is for self defence" All studies, reports, and statistics show that: a) owning a gun doesn't make you safer in your home, and; b) the use of guns in self-defense by private citizens is extremely rare. That's true - how would you defend yourself in the 2 examples I made above?

1. " I'm worried about home invasions - my reason for wanting a gun license is for self defence"

I don't spend a second of my day worrying about home invasions.

If it happened though, I would defend myself with my bare hands and anything in close reach.


2. " I have genuine death threats made against me -
my reason for wanting a gun license is for self defence"

Never gonna happen: to know me is to love me.

However, if it did, I'd report it to the police and be extra cautious.

Buying a gun would not be a consideration.

Greggy,

Quote:

I would defend myself with my bare hands and anything in close reach.

You must have studied Bruce Lee movies?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MigKXB_zSyo

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:42pm:

Greggy, Quote: I would defend myself with my bare hands and anything in close reach. You must have studied Bruce Lee movies?

"Playing guitar definitely makes our hands stronger. It makes us gain strength in the fingers and the muscles of the palm, and it also puts the wrist and forearm muscles to work. With constant practice we gain the coordination and speed necessary to play guitar (and fight off Bobby's imaginary bad guys)."

Greggy - stick to the pop quiz:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1279424906/6968#6968

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:34pm:

Why the fixation with guns? The law prohibits the possession of ANYTHING for the purpose of self defence. .

Probably it's from Eoin's extended fixation on guns. 'Right of self defence' is not 'possession of things for the purpose of self defence'.  'Right of self defence' is not 'right to guns'. Eoin is not right.

Bushie tackles knife wielding idiot in Dubbo shopping center

https://www.9news.com.au/national/man-tackled-to-the-ground-dubbo-shopping-centre/f979600f-86f1-494c-8131-c90c5cb6b7c1

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 4:16pm:

Bushie tackles knife wielding idiot in Dubbo shopping center https://www.9news.com.au/national/man-tackled-to-the-ground-dubbo-shopping-centre/f979600f-86f1-494c-8131-c90c5cb6b7c1

Good on him.
Nice tackle - he could play in the NRL.

no

I notice Aussie ran away after my Reply #19.    ::)

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 5:23pm:

I notice Aussie ran away after my Reply #19.    ::)

Ever so sorry Bobby.  I must remind myself that I have an obligation to hang around stupid Threads to respond to stupid posts.

The use of lethal force is legal in Qld (I have no idea about other States but likely the same) if that is what is required to prevent loss of life or grievous bodily harm.

If you had a gun and used it in that circumstance, if you were not licensed to have it, the worst you would be convicted of is having an unlicensed gun.

How smacking hard is that simple concept to understand?

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 5:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:23pm: I notice Aussie ran away after my Reply #19.    ::) Ever so sorry Bobby.  I must remind myself that I have an obligation to hang around stupid Threads to respond to stupid posts. The use of lethal force is legal in Qld (I have no idea about other States but likely the same) if that is what is required to prevent loss of life or grievous bodily harm. If you had a gun and used it in that circumstance, if you were not licensed to have it, the worst you would be convicted of is having an unlicensed gun. How smacking hard is that simple concept to understand?

Really - how many years in prison would you get for that?

Defenseless lawyer Mahmoud Abbas -  shot -

I wonder if he would have safer had he been allowed to own a firearm?


https://www.9news.com.au/national/police-chasing-new-leads-after-lawyer-shot-outside-home/f147cc5d-2872-4323-8424-8140d13c6d38

Police chasing new leads after lawyer shot outside home

By Miklos Bolza • AAP
7:22pm Aug 16, 2023

A lawyer shot outside his Sydney home has been asked to re-examine the data on his mobile phone as police chase down those responsible for the attack.
Earlier this week, the NSW Supreme Court ordered police to hand back solicitor Mahmoud Abbas' electronic devices, which were seized after a targeted shooting outside his Greenacre home on July 26.
On Wednesday, the court was told NSW Police were chasing new leads in their investigation and Abbas needed to urgently review some data on his mobile phone by Monday to assist in the case.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 5:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:23pm: I notice Aussie ran away after my Reply #19.    ::) Ever so sorry Bobby.  I must remind myself that I have an obligation to hang around stupid Threads to respond to stupid posts. The use of lethal force is legal in Qld (I have no idea about other States but likely the same) if that is what is required to prevent loss of life or grievous bodily harm. If you had a gun and used it in that circumstance, if you were not licensed to have it, the worst you would be convicted of is having an unlicensed gun. How smacking hard is that simple concept to understand? Really - how many years in prison would you get for that?

None without some relevant nasty background.

'Excessive self defence' in other States means the right to shoot is limited even when fearing grievous bodily harm. The self defender is then charged with manslaughter.

In Qld 'This protection [right to shoot] does not extend to a case in which the person using [self defence] force which causes death or grievous bodily harm first begun the assault with intent to kill or to do grievous bodily harm to some person; nor to a case in which the person using force which causes death or grievous bodily harm endeavoured to kill or to do grievous bodily harm to some person before the necessity of so preserving himself or herself arose; nor, in either case, unless, before such necessity arose, the person using such force declined further conflict,'.

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:38pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:23pm: I notice Aussie ran away after my Reply #19.    ::) Ever so sorry Bobby.  I must remind myself that I have an obligation to hang around stupid Threads to respond to stupid posts. The use of lethal force is legal in Qld (I have no idea about other States but likely the same) if that is what is required to prevent loss of life or grievous bodily harm. If you had a gun and used it in that circumstance, if you were not licensed to have it, the worst you would be convicted of is having an unlicensed gun. How smacking hard is that simple concept to understand? Really - how many years in prison would you get for that? None without some relevant nasty background.

But it says here:

https://www.criminaldefencelawyers.com.au/blog/weapons-licensing-laws-in-australia/

The following are a list of prohibited weapons offences and penalties in NSW under Part 4 Weapons Act:

    5 years imprisonment: buying a prohibited weapon without authorised permit to possess it.

He's in the gun now.
Maximum penalty: $10 000. A person who provides information to another person knowing that the information is false or misleading, and will be, or is likely to be, provided to a court (whether by use of an Electronic Court Management System or otherwise) is guilty of an offence.

If through political channels such as Ozpolitic the penalty is doubled with access to Forum blocked.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 7:41am:

Do we, in Australia have any right to self defence...

Yes, we do.

Commonwealth Criminal Code.


Quote:

A person is not criminally responsible for an offence if he or she carries out the conduct constituting the offence in self- defence.     A plea of self defence is also available when action is taken to defend property or to repel or remove trespassers.

You left out all the wiggly bits. You can kill if you think the lady is going to run you over with the cart in Woolies.

'self defence is available even in circumstances where the defendant responded to an unreasonable apprehension of harm. The more unreasonable the tale of mistake, however, the more likely it is that it will be rejected by a the trier of fact as incredible.'

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 6:00pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:38pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:23pm: I notice Aussie ran away after my Reply #19.    ::) Ever so sorry Bobby.  I must remind myself that I have an obligation to hang around stupid Threads to respond to stupid posts. The use of lethal force is legal in Qld (I have no idea about other States but likely the same) if that is what is required to prevent loss of life or grievous bodily harm. If you had a gun and used it in that circumstance, if you were not licensed to have it, the worst you would be convicted of is having an unlicensed gun. How smacking hard is that simple concept to understand? Really - how many years in prison would you get for that? None without some relevant nasty background. But it says here: https://www.criminaldefencelawyers.com.au/blog/weapons-licensing-laws-in-australia/ The following are a list of prohibited weapons offences and penalties in NSW under Part 4 Weapons Act:     5 years imprisonment: buying a prohibited weapon without authorised permit to possess it.

That is a maximum!!!!!

FMD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In Queensland, the maximum penalty for manslaughter is imprisonment for life, plus 'If the person unlawfully possesses a short firearm in a public place without a reasonable excuse—1 year's actual imprisonment. i. If the person unlawfully possesses a firearm and uses the firearm to commit an indictable offence—9 months actual imprisonment.'

NSW  25 years  manslaughter.
Plus five for the gun.

chimera wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 9:01am:

In Queensland, the maximum penalty for manslaughter is imprisonment for life, plus 'If the person unlawfully possesses a short firearm in a public place without a reasonable excuse—1 year's actual imprisonment. i. If the person unlawfully possesses a firearm and uses the firearm to commit an indictable offence—9 months actual imprisonment.' NSW  25 years  manslaughter. Plus five for the gun.

yes - Aussie tries to play down the hefty jail sentences for firearms offences.

Britain will pin your right arm down and call you a $$$ criminal
USA will pin your left arm down and call you a racist criminal
Both will allow an Aborigine to belt into you for considering yourself 'australian'.

Self defence is basically apply a use of force to either push the assailant away or restrain without physical injury.
It's basically a one punch rule, to void further attack.
If the attacker comes again, then only 'one punch' etc, again.

The best way to 'belt' an assailant is in the bread basket - because it doesn't leave any 'marks' for the attacker to claim 'assault' against you. As are restraining manual handling techniques.

Remember that guy who got charged with assault for hitting a home intruder with a baseball bat, in his own home?
Yeah - this is Australia: where the 'criminal' is protected.
Used to be by the British, but now its by the Americanised legal culture, especially if the attacker is 'black'.

Personally, I would rather be charged with 'whatever' than be dead. But hey, that's just me. ;)

It's all a bit like the footy, big muscles runs at you, and you knock him off his feet. Pull his head off and you get the red card (or let him score without making a fuss and tell him 'have a nice day' with a manhug).

Under our rules for not possessing anything for self defence would come a cricket bat in the bedroom but if it’s signed by a notable team or a well known cricketing individual, or even the local team then it’s a valued souvenir and may be kept in the bedroom or the lounge room, same goes for baseball bats.

Deodorant sprays are OKbut should be gender specific, insect sprays can be anywhere; oven spray, which is a particularly nasty weapon, should only be in the kitchen or at the barbecue.
Walking sticks can be carried anywhere but it helps to look old enough, and they are marvellous for defence.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 3:09pm:

Under our rules for not possessing anything for self defence would come a cricket bat in the bedroom but if it’s signed by a notable team or a well known cricketing individual, or even the local team then it’s a valued souvenir and may be kept in the bedroom or the lounge room, same goes for baseball bats. Deodorant sprays are OKbut should be gender specific, insect sprays can be anywhere; oven spray, which is a particularly nasty weapon, should only be in the kitchen or at the barbecue. Walking sticks can be carried anywhere but it helps to look old enough, and they are marvellous for defence.

Dirty Harry always had his trusty .44 magnum:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xjr2hnOHiM

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 3:09pm:

oven spray, which is a particularly nasty weapon, .

There were oven-spray rights which led to several shoot-outs in country towns. Wives ran in demanding their rights and grabbed the cans. Over time, the ovens became cleaner and men lost their aprons.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 3:21pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 3:09pm: Under our rules for not possessing anything for self defence would come a cricket bat in the bedroom but if it’s signed by a notable team or a well known cricketing individual, or even the local team then it’s a valued souvenir and may be kept in the bedroom or the lounge room, same goes for baseball bats. Deodorant sprays are OKbut should be gender specific, insect sprays can be anywhere; oven spray, which is a particularly nasty weapon, should only be in the kitchen or at the barbecue. Walking sticks can be carried anywhere but it helps to look old enough, and they are marvellous for defence. Dirty Harry always had his trusty .44 magnum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xjr2hnOHiM

Hollywood has always glorified the use of firearms. Movie directors never get tired of the cliched threat of a pistol in the face as a form of defence. In fact, anyone who tries that with a serious criminal is likely to be disarmed and shot with their own gun. The most effective strategy is to only produce the weapon after deciding to use it, and then as quickly as possible.

Cops carry cams to show their Hollywood skills. Pistol in two hands, walk round the doorway, swing left to right, crouch, lean on the wall, eyes sliding as the finger tightens with a drum-roll.

issuevoter wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 4:05pm:

Hollywood has always glorified the use of firearms. Movie directors never get tired of the cliched threat of a pistol in the face as a form of defence. In fact, anyone who tries that with a serious criminal is likely to be disarmed and shot with their own gun. The most effective strategy is to only produce the weapon after deciding to use it, and then as quickly as possible.

I know -
Hollywood pushes the narrative that a gun can solve any problem
and that only the bad guys get shot.
People believe it and buy more and more guns by the 10s of millions.
You even need a gun to dine at McDonald's.

Paint spray-cans are deadly if produced quickly before the shop-owner squirts the oven-spray. Paints are locked in a cabinet or all the gun-men's houses would be violet and sea-green.

This used to be a discussion forum, one of the best.

The police in New York City
They chased a boy right through the park
And in a case of mistaken identity
They put a bullet through his heart
Heartbreakers with your forty-four
I want to tear your world apart
You heart breaker with your forty-four
I want to tear your world apart



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckPDxGb2bbk

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 7:17pm:

This used to be a discussion forum, one of the best.

What's 'discussion'? What are you talking about?

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 7:17pm:

This used to be a discussion forum, one of the best.

When and how do you know this Eugene?

The .44 magnum gun - and Dirty Harry -
called out by the Rolling Stones.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2-uzhyoEyA


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doo_Doo_Doo_Doo_Doo_(Heartbreaker)

Written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, the song's lyrics relate two stories: one is a story of New York City police shooting a boy "right through the heart" because they mistook him for someone else, and the second of a ten-year-old girl who dies in an alley of a drug overdose. Neither of these events are known to be factual.

In April 1973 a ten-year-old boy named Clifford Glover was with his father when plainclothes police stopped them at gunpoint in Queens, in New York City, supposedly having mistaken the two for suspects in an armed robbery (the robbers were described as being about one foot taller than the boy). The boy and his father ran, fearing that they were about to be victims of a robbery. The police chased them and one officer shot the 10-year-old boy in the back, killing him. The bullet entered Glover's lower back and emerged at the top of his chest (i.e., went through his heart). The case resulted in riots and a murder indictment against the officer, who was later acquitted in a jury trial.[1]

After telling the story of the police shooting the wrong person, Jagger sings,

    You heartbreaker, with your .44, I want to tear your world apart.

The .44 magnum cartridge had recently been made famous by the 1971 film Dirty Harry, in which Harry Callahan uses "the most powerful handgun in the world" to cleanse the streets of crime. The lyrics complement the music, which Rolling Stone magazine described as "urban R&B" for its funk influence and prominent clavinet part (played by Billy Preston).[2]

Setanta wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 7:25pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 7:17pm: This used to be a discussion forum, one of the best. When and how do you know this Eugene?

I have only recently returned, lurked then joined in 2013.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 7:25pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 7:17pm: This used to be a discussion forum, one of the best. When and how do you know this Eugene? I have only recently returned, lurked then joined in 2013.

Fallout is a great game series.

Australians have the right to know what Sir Eoin wants to say. He's been trying since 2013 using cricket bats, John Howard's cartridges, oven spray and Americans. His great weakness is never mentioning hand grenades. Why?

chimera wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 4:44am:

Australians have the right to know what Sir Eoin wants to say. He's been trying since 2013 using cricket bats, John Howard's cartridges, oven spray and Americans. His great weakness is never mentioning hand grenades. Why?

What he says is that chimera has the makings of a great Coprolite.

Setanta wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 9:08pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 8:42pm: Setanta wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 7:25pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 7:17pm: This used to be a discussion forum, one of the best. When and how do you know this Eugene? I have only recently returned, lurked then joined in 2013. Fallout is a great game series.

Thanks for proving my point.

Still waiting for Eoin to say something, or another thing.

“Something”.

That's not right. Furthermore, 'great Coprolite' is not, repeat not , a 'discussion', not even in self defence.
Do Australians have the right to self defence?
Self defence is a right.

chimera wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 10:28am:

That's not right. Furthermore, 'great Coprolite' is not, repeat not , a 'discussion', not even in self defence. Do Australians have the right to self defence? Self defence is a right.

Coprolite could be the beginning of a new discussion, they’re a very interesting study.

Coprolite. City of Los Angeles Police Department developed the Pelican 7060 LED patrol flashlight for all its officers. They don't allow Australians to carry weapons. You can analise that.

Depends. If they are black, you can use a gun and shoot em.

Black coprolites matter.

chimera wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 5:52pm:

Black coprolites matter.

All Coprolites not only matter they are matter.

Yes but it's not right. They are:
Peptic ulcer disease (a bleeding ulcer in your stomach or duodenum).
Severe inflammation (gastritis or esophagitis).
Erosion of your stomach lining (acute hemorrhagic erosive gastropathy).
Trauma or gastrointestinal perforation (a tear in the lining of your GI tract).
Swollen and ruptured veins (varices) in your esophagus or stomach.
A tear in your esophagus caused by violent vomiting.
Cancer in your stomach, esophagus or pancreas.
Viral hemorrhagic fevers, such as Ebola.
Oven spray and disinfectant shots are a defence.

chimera wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 6:13pm:

Yes but it's not right. They are: Peptic ulcer disease (a bleeding ulcer in your stomach or duodenum). Severe inflammation (gastritis or esophagitis). Erosion of your stomach lining (acute hemorrhagic erosive gastropathy). Trauma or gastrointestinal perforation (a tear in the lining of your GI tract). Swollen and ruptured veins (varices) in your esophagus or stomach. A tear in your esophagus caused by violent vomiting. Cancer in your stomach, esophagus or pancreas. Viral hemorrhagic fevers, such as Ebola. Oven spray and disinfectant shots are a defence.

You’ve lost me.

Don't worry. It's a George Floyd thing.  ::)

'Black stool is often a sign of gastrointestinal bleeding, but not always. Certain medications, supplements and foods may also turn your poop black. Bullets can cause Trauma or gastrointestinal perforation (a tear in the lining of your GI tract)'.

Blacks with bullet holes are wiped out. Whites who are coprolites are poop perps for 25 years maximum NSW or life in Qld.

Self defence from a rouge plastic bottle?

Why?

Because retards throw them at high speed

and..