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Title: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 18th, 2023 at 6:41pm
This question needs to be clarified so we all have a common, agreed understanding of it. We can't change the constitution without being clear about who is who - and who isn't.
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 18th, 2023 at 6:49pm
I'm Indigenous - most are Indigenous - only Aborigines are Aborigines.... I'm staking out that high ground of Indigenous right here and now!!
Indigenous Rights NOW!! |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Brian Ross on Aug 18th, 2023 at 9:56pm Frank wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 6:41pm:
Amazing how she has rewritten her personal history there. There was a time when she refused to have anything to do with Indigenous Australians. Of course, all her fans will ignore that inconvenience for their own sakes. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by issuevoter on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:13am
The most vocal are neither. They are disgruntled Creoles, Quatroons, and Mulattos conflicted about their origins. Oops! Not supposed to mention race except when it suits them.
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 19th, 2023 at 6:38am issuevoter wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:13am:
Quadroons 25%, Octoroons.... 12.5% .... then there are those even lower.... your high-stepping yellas .... It is possible that one ancestor of mine was part Aborigine... would account for my olive skin, but DNA does not show that and histories of family do not. DNA says Swedish/Danish/Scottish/Irish/English/Cornish/Welsh and 10% Jews of Europe. Bloody vikings.... Pascoe-style - my grandmother used to call us little monsters 'black' when we played up... (heh, heh) .. I thought she meant we had black souls by her Victorian standards (she was born in 1894 - we are slow breeders) ... and her second son, a copper for life, was known in the force as 'The Black Fellah'... must be some Aborigine in us.... mek me a lend claim, bro!! "The continent was occupied by our people and the footprints of our ancestors traversed the entire landscape. Our songlines covered vast distances, uniting peoples in shared stories and religion. The entire land and seascape is named, and the cultural memory of our old people is written there." Been that way since 1788 ....... just saying here..... all of us born here are Indigenous - Aborigines are Aboriginal Indigenous... nothing special about them.... just figures in a landscape.... |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 19th, 2023 at 12:27pm
The subtext of racially defined special assistance schemes, employment targets, academic scholarships and the like is this: if you ate Aboriginal you must be damaged, and if you are damaged it must be because you are a victim. There must be something inherently missing or defective in your being , simply because of you ancestry and your people's history. That is why you are singled out for exceptional treatment. You actual, personal abilities or disabilities do nit define you.
Will anyone be surprised if the Oxford Aboriginal scholars are recruited from those with backgrounds with the least or even no demonstrable disadvantage, those who least need a leg-up but who will be told by the subtext here that they are inherently, racially flawed? I doubt it. But at least some in charge will feel good about themselves. How have we come to such a vile pass? Peter Sutton, Politics of Suffereing, p. 204 |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 19th, 2023 at 12:29pm
The subtext of racially defined special assistance schemes, employment targets, academic scholarships and the like is this: if you ate Aboriginal you must be damaged, and if you are damaged it must be because you are a victim. There must be something inherently missing or defective in your being , simply because of you ancestry and your people's history. That is why you are singled out for exceptional treatment. You actual, personal abilities or disabilities do nit define you.
Will anyone be surprised if the Oxford Aboriginal scholars are recruited from those with backgrounds with the least or even no demonstrable disadvantage, those who least need a leg-up but who will be told by the subtext here that they are inherently, racially flawed? I doubt it. But at least some in charge will feel good about themselves. How have we come to such a vile pass? Peter Sutton, Politics of Suffereing, p. 204 Record number of Indigenous doctors graduate from UNSW Date Published: 15 December 2014 https://newsevents.med.unsw.edu.au/news/record-number-indigenous-doctors-graduate-unsw-0 |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:11pm
Ten percenters? High-stepping yellas? One could pass for Aboriginal.
You see two problems with affirmative action there - more women and only a teaspoon of black. No wonder the west is in decline.... |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Dnarever on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:26pm
Who is white, who is caucasian ?
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:42pm Dnarever wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:26pm:
These guys |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by John Smith on Aug 19th, 2023 at 2:30pm Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
we know they're not white because you aren't fawning over them, it's only white people you defend |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 19th, 2023 at 3:04pm John Smith wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 2:30pm:
Oh?? So now I decide who IS Aboriginal?? Gawd, you are worse than a moron with concussion. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by John Smith on Aug 19th, 2023 at 3:43pm Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 3:04pm:
I said we know they're not white, I didn't say you get to decide anything. Not the same thing ya dumbarse seriously, ask for that refund. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 19th, 2023 at 4:16pm John Smith wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 3:43pm:
Frank .... can you now see why Frodo has NO IQ?? Yes he really is unbelievably dumb and clueless which explains why he doesn’t understand anything typed at him 😂🤣😆 |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 19th, 2023 at 4:38pm John Smith wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 3:43pm:
Well, they are whiter than you, swarthy mouth-breather. Not even I am as blonde as those two girls at the front. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by UnSubRocky on Aug 19th, 2023 at 4:56pm Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
The moment the special privileges and affirmative action dries up, they will claim to be white again. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 19th, 2023 at 7:08pm John Smith wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 3:43pm:
How do 'we' know they're not white? They are all predominantly white.... over to you..... simple abuse will do, as usual, as your reply .... |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by AusGeoff on Aug 20th, 2023 at 12:10pm
Without knowing their backgrounds of course
I'd be unable to identify any of these people as being Aboriginal—except for maybe the young lady on the far left. And because of their light complexions, I'd be guessing they've never suffered from racial vilification, discrimination, employment inequalities, bigotry, prejudices, or narrow-mindedness that their darker-skinned peers have been subjected to for decades. In turn then, because of this, it's hardly appropriate for any of them to claim any special dispensations based solely on their self-identified Aboriginality. (I'm assuming the article covering this image in fact confirms they are Aboriginal?) |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 21st, 2023 at 10:18am Brian Ross wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 9:56pm:
You are lying, of course, shifty ponce. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 21st, 2023 at 10:31am AusGeoff wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 12:10pm:
It is important to be clear about what Aboriginality is, who can and cannot claim Aboriginality, and most significantly, what entitlement comes with Aboriginality and why. I do not see what disadvantage a middle class person of any hue or colouration would suffer. Selective high schools, university courses in medicine and engineering and dentistry and law are full of non-whites so pigmentation is evidently no drawback. If blonde, blue eyed daughters of middle class families can claim Aboriginality to get into medical school, get Aboriginal- identified positions in the public service or corporations, then Aboriginality isn't about disadvantage either. There are equally blonde and blue eyed daughters of non-Aboriginal working class families who are demondtezbly more disadvantaged and lower on the socio-economic ladder but cannot claim Aboriginality so they do not get the bonus ATAR point to get into medicine or law. So if it's neither race, nor disadvantage - what is it? Is it "the ancestral tie between the land, or 'mother nature', and the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples who were born therefrom, remain attached thereto, and must one day return thither to be united with our ancestors"? What about the blonde anc blue eyed ancestry and ties to the lands of England, Scotland, Ireland and returning thither? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Brian Ross on Aug 21st, 2023 at 12:49pm
Pauline Hanson was disendorsed as a Liberal candidate back in 1996,
"after making contentious comments about Aboriginal Australians,"[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Hanson]Source[/url] Those "contentious comments" were that "she advocated the abolition of special government assistance for Aboriginal Australians, and she was disendorsed by the Liberal Party."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Hanson]Source[/url] All matters which she now glosses over in her diatribe against Indigenous Australians. She went on to further state, once elected in her Maiden Speech, "I won the seat of Oxley largely on an issue that has resulted in me being called a racist. That issue related to my comment that Aboriginals received more benefits than non-Aboriginals". Hanson then asserted that Australia was in danger of being "swamped by Asians", and that these immigrants "have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Hanson]Source[/url] Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 21st, 2023 at 12:51pm
Always been the problem at the heart of 'affirmative action' - it invariably went to the 'middle classes' and next to none went to those in true need - I'd love to hear the background of each of these suffering, struggling students....
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 21st, 2023 at 12:54pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 12:49pm:
Well - she was truly prophetic there - after Albo's Mistake the Australian people are going to start to demand answers..... where is the money all going and why?? Shocking amount of money going to sustain some fanciful myth of some fanciful past while removing from those receiving it all incentive to achieve for themselves... over to dividie now... All that money per day would fix the highways, the hospitals and a heap of other things.... https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1691412902 |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by John Smith on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:31pm Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 4:38pm:
ahhh, so now hair colour is what decides if they are aboriginal ... got it :D :D :D |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:35pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 12:49pm:
And?? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:35pm John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:31pm:
It is important to be clear about what Aboriginality is, who can and cannot claim Aboriginality, and most significantly, what entitlement comes with Aboriginality and why. I do not see what disadvantage a middle class person of any hue or colouration would suffer. Selective high schools, university courses in medicine and engineering and dentistry and law are full of non-whites so pigmentation is evidently no drawback. If blonde, blue eyed daughters of middle class families can claim Aboriginality to get into medical school, get Aboriginal- identified positions in the public service or corporations, then Aboriginality isn't about disadvantage either. There are equally blonde and blue eyed daughters of non-Aboriginal working class families who are demondtezbly more disadvantaged and lower on the socio-economic ladder but cannot claim Aboriginality so they do not get the bonus ATAR point to get into medicine or law. So if it's neither race, nor disadvantage - what is it? Is it "the ancestral tie between the land, or 'mother nature', and the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples who were born therefrom, remain attached thereto, and must one day return thither to be united with our ancestors"? What about the blonde anc blue eyed ancestry and ties to the lands of England, Scotland, Ireland and returning thither? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Brian Ross on Aug 21st, 2023 at 3:55pm Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:35pm:
It disproves your claim that I am supposely: Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 10:18am:
Such a silly comment but hey, it is all we have come to expect from your, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 21st, 2023 at 4:49pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 3:55pm:
Hanson 'glossed over' nothing. Opposing the Voice or Aboriginal special treatment is not a 'diatribe. Her warnings of the negative consequences of large scale unassimilating immigration have proven true. No personal history has been rewritten, amazingly or otherwise. There was never a time 'she refused to to have anything to do with Indigineous Australians'. Total, barefaced Bbwianesque lies. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Brian Ross on Aug 21st, 2023 at 4:54pm Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 4:49pm:
How unsurprising, you swallow her propaganda wholeheartedy, don't you? Hardly unsurprising considering your Racist viewpoint on most things. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by John Smith on Aug 21st, 2023 at 5:30pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 7:08pm:
If they were white Frank would have been crying over their victimhood status rather then trying to deride them. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 21st, 2023 at 5:34pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 4:54pm:
Which bit surprised you? Which bit was 'amazingly rewritten'? Your OWN emotive, propagandistic language is not evidence of anything - and we know how much you love asking OTHERS for evidence, don't we? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 21st, 2023 at 5:35pm John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 5:30pm:
They ARE white, evidently. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 21st, 2023 at 6:31pm
The thought crossed my mind that the publicising of such provocative pictures of 'poor, oppressed, neglected, starving young Aborigines' is actually part of the plan to get the people to demand validity in dealing with them all.
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 21st, 2023 at 6:40pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 6:31pm:
Not at all. It is part of the obsequious surrender to any Aboriginal claim, no matter what your lying eyes tell you, no matter what sense and reason tell you. It's about never questioning, never arguing with an Aborigine's demands on you, lest you be called a racist, oppressive thought criminal. It's about being sucked in. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Brian Ross on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:26pm Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 5:34pm:
She rewrote her personal history regarding Indigenous Australians, as I have shown. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:29pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:26pm:
You are lying. She rewrote nothing and you showed nothing of the sort. You are a fantasist and an inventor of fantasies. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Brian Ross on Aug 22nd, 2023 at 1:57pm |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 22nd, 2023 at 2:07pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 22nd, 2023 at 1:57pm: Bbwian caught out again as a liar and a fantasist. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Brian Ross on Aug 22nd, 2023 at 4:31pm |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 22nd, 2023 at 4:49pm
Bwian stop spamming here and jump back into the other topic so I can finish pwning your arse. Ta.
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 24th, 2023 at 6:30am
Well - I'd say the blondie I chatted with the other day is not Aboriginal.... despite her claim to be Indigenous and English.. no way in the world.... I'd say she was just trying it on as a trend or something.... far whiter than I am... milky skin, blue eyes and not a physical attribute in sight .... see piccie below of my arm after looking at her type.... and not a dark hair root in sight and her nose wasn't that broad...
I'm Aboriginal! And so is my wife!! Gon' mek me a lend claim, bro!!! This could have been her:- Now my arm - after months of being near housebound with heart troubles over winter with little sun- so who da man? WHO DA MAN??:- ![]() |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 24th, 2023 at 11:38am
Actually more like this one - with blonde eyebrows:-
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 24th, 2023 at 4:42pm
Cultural safety and cultural load.
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/speakingout/speaking-out/102607252 They sound like low level bloody bogan bureaucrats, not like genuine Aborigines. Abos now can't cope with telling people what their Aboriginality actually means. So now they want some 'resources' to speak for them. In HR departments, no less. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Brian Ross on Aug 24th, 2023 at 5:02pm Frank wrote on Aug 24th, 2023 at 4:42pm:
Who are you to determine what "real Aborigines" sound like, Soren? You sound more and more like a Nazi. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 24th, 2023 at 6:29pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 24th, 2023 at 5:02pm:
I "determined" nothing, moronic cockwomble. You listen to that ABC podcast- or any other of the half dozen dedicated Aboriginal programs just on RN - and you will hear not a single Aboriginal concept or idea. It is ALL European political concepts, ideas, values expressed in bogan, nasal, shrill voices. The ENTIRE Aboriginal political discussion is conducted in European political terms. There is not a single authentic Aboriginal idea in any of it. There can't be. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 26th, 2023 at 6:49am
I'm Indigenous - HE'S Aboriginal...
The correct term is Original Indigenous At The Time Of Civilisation .... an OIATTOC ... |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Gnads on Aug 26th, 2023 at 9:24am Brian Ross wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 9:56pm:
Rubbish ... she has been calling out the waste, vandalism & violence in Aboriginal communities for years. She even went over to Palm Island & witnessed the mess in the streets & vandalised housing... & she said straight up to elders there that for a people that are supposed to be connected & one with their land, it sure didn't look that way & asked why they couldn't pick up their rubbish & keep the place tidy. She was met with a litany of lame excuses. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by mothra on Aug 26th, 2023 at 9:30am Gnads wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 9:24am:
Does Pauline Hanson get regular council funded rubbish removal? Do you? Sometimes excuses are reasons. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by John Smith on Aug 26th, 2023 at 9:31am Gnads wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 9:24am:
like no council pick up? Yeah, so lame ... they should do what you do right? :D :D |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 26th, 2023 at 9:40am mothra wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 9:30am:
Idiotic. The elders ARE the ****ing council in these remote Aboriginal camps. They have absolutely nothing to do all day so ot fouling their own camps and picking up the rubbish isn't a huge expectation. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by mothra on Aug 26th, 2023 at 9:46am Frank wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 9:40am:
The elders are the council? Are you febrile? They are just old people, like you. They don't have mystic powers to solve all of their communities problems. Why you attach some bullshit sense of bogus omnipotence to them is anyone's guess, but you keep doing it. Where are aa bunch of old people going to get the resources to deal with waste management, Frank? These are the kinds of issues a Voice would work with. But there is no doubt in my mind that you prefer to keep Aboriginal people living in those conditions precisely where they are. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 26th, 2023 at 9:55am mothra wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 9:46am:
Phew - that's a relief! So now all the bullshit passed on by elders can be ignored.... well - old or not on the council - clearly in those 'settlements' they are receiving money from the governments to handle waste management.... where is it going? So a 'voice' is going to recommend that they get MORE money to handle waste management, and suddenly that will make all the difference to the collections of old cars and such in front yards? Clearly you live nowhere near any - some even in the civilised Zones have heaps of rubbish in their yards requiring regular special clean-ups, and they do that all for themselves. How exactly do you envisage this 'voice' getting the rubbish picked up out there? Nobody needs to keep them in those conditions - they do a fine job of it themselves - if their appointed 'leaders' would ever do something other than steal the royalty money etc they might get something done .... |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by mothra on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:06am
What an utter waste of bandwidth. So not worth speaking to.
Frank however, ran away. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:09am mothra wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:06am:
Confession is always good for your soul they say - keep confessing.... |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by AusGeoff on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:10am
From Merriam-Webster, 2023:
• Native, indigenous, endemic, aboriginal mean belonging to a locality, • Native implies birth or origin in a place or region and may suggest compatibility with it, • Indigenous applies to that which is not only native but which, as far as can be determined, has never been introduced or brought from elsewhere, • Aboriginal implies having no known others preceding in occupancy of a particular region, —As a fourth generation Australian-born citizen I satisfy the three highlighted points; thus I consider myself to be an indigenous Australian. QED. There is a fine line between the definitions of "aboriginal" and "indigenous". I'm obviously not the former, but I'm most definitely the latter. The media and other commentators should cease using the term indigenous to jointly refer to aboriginals—they're different terms with different implications. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:11am AusGeoff wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:10am:
Fits all Australians born here to a T then ........... |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by mothra on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:13am AusGeoff wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:10am:
Are rabbits indigenous? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:14am mothra wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:13am:
They are now ...................... are dingoes indigenous? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by mothra on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:17am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:14am:
Rabbits are indigenous? Oh brilliant. Who should we tell first? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by John Smith on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:25am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:14am:
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by mothra on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:31am John Smith wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:25am:
Ordinarily, i'd be gobsmacked. But it's Crappler, y'know? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:33am mothra wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:31am:
So neither of you can get it right so you have reverted to your usual style of 'debate' - put Lefty to shame you lot.... poor old Lefty - never got over it... always was too high strung... |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by mothra on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:34am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:33am:
I'm sorry, do actually want us to debate you on the issue of rabbits being indigenous? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Gordon on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:39am |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by John Smith on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:46am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:33am:
go on, prove you're a bigger idiot now by claiming cane toads are indigenous as well. You stupid fool |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:51am John Smith wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:46am:
How many generations do you want? As per cane toads - they can be as indigenous or not as much as they like - doesn't mean they shouldn't be eradicated... I'd think about that a bit if I were you.... |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:52am |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:57am mothra wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:34am:
Couldn't care less - but if you base indigeneity on how many generations - where do you start and finish? The dingoes on Fraser Island are not indigenous to Australia - yet some are demanding that people get out of their way rather than the other way around. Equally your successive waves of Aborigines cannot all claim to be Indigenous.... how far back do you want to go? NONE of them is indigenous to Australia... Great Snake creation myths not excepted... maybe Mungo Man and Lady are Indigenous - and not even related to the local tribe(s) that claim them as ancestors...... what is the proof? Maybe MM & L were grown here and the rest paddled or walked here..... Ergo - all those born here are Indigenous - do you want to argue how Indigenous now and based on what? ... and only some of them are Aborigines - a tiny minority. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by John Smith on Aug 26th, 2023 at 11:00am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:57am:
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 26th, 2023 at 11:02am John Smith wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 11:00am:
Truth hurts, doesn't it? Just shoot the dingoes and be done with it.... |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by mothra on Aug 26th, 2023 at 11:02am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:57am:
I'll make it simple for you Craps ....tens of thousands of years? Indigenous. 250? Introduced. You are introduced. I am introduced. And my god, have we done a lot of damage or what! |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by mothra on Aug 26th, 2023 at 11:03am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 11:02am:
Oh bless. You thought thaat was the truth. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 26th, 2023 at 11:09am mothra wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 11:02am:
250? Introduced. You are introduced. I am introduced. And my god, have we done a lot of damage or what![/quote] And you base this sweeping generalisation on what? Where is your proof or even evidence? They were PRE-Civilisation indigenous - now they are just a minority in a country with countless indigenous people of various kinds.... Some would have been arriving after Civilisation Day .... across the big waters, you know... they do boast about their prowess in paddling across from NuGinee ... so you are happy to exclude them from being indigenous? Tell 'em to their faces ..... they'll be dark with anger and will probably spear you .... Now then- when are you, like dividie, heading out west to set up your tent embassy to protest the vile accumulations of rubbish in remote settlements and demand something be done about them? Action - not words.... What damage was that? All that infrastructure they live so well off, all those roads and hospitals and such, all the free money, the booze... you need to re-visit your Monty Python... SHOW us this 'damage'! Since you feel so guilty about it - you said 'we' - how do you propose to personally make amends to them? You're welcome to hand over all your worldly goods at any time ....... ![]() |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by mothra on Aug 26th, 2023 at 11:12am
So rabbits are indigenous?
Foxes? Cats? Buffalo? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 26th, 2023 at 11:14am mothra wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 11:12am:
You some kind of animal hater or something? Jeez - that's low even for you! ![]() |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Aug 26th, 2023 at 11:15am
If you apply the standards by which non-humans are defined as indigenous (endemic), then hominids are indigenous to Africa - more specifically, likely East Africa.
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 26th, 2023 at 11:17am MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 11:15am:
It's called progress - you progressives should know all about that... but what's in a name? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 26th, 2023 at 11:24am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 26th, 2023 at 12:34pm mothra wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 11:03am:
So you now believe that dingoes, said to have been imported by your pets around 4000 years ago, are Indigenous? Well, then - so are the rest ... even you.... though nobody is certain if you are human or simply fauna!! Shoot the bastards so they don't eat children and cage a few up for public viewing... gather 'em all up and drop them all into Aborassic Park (The Homeland) so they can mingle with your pets.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 26th, 2023 at 1:07pm mothra wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:06am:
Who picked up the rubbish after them for 40 thousand years? These are their communities, their rubbish, their land. What are they so busy with that they can't organise themselves to keep their houses, communities, themselves clean and free from self-inflicted harm and degradation. A lot of the help given to Aborigines is wasted because they can't do even the minimum to help themselves. What use are local 'voices' if they keep fouling their own nests and want outsiders to clean up their shite. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by mothra on Aug 26th, 2023 at 1:15pm Frank wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 1:07pm:
You didn't answer the question. Where are a bunch of old people supposed to find and finance rubbish collection to a community? Do you know who they should ask for it? Do you know where the y are supposed to get the money to finance it? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 26th, 2023 at 3:25pm mothra wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 1:15pm:
How about bring all the camp dwellers together, work together. It's not as if they are too busy with some other vital work. They are pissed by midday. How about clean up by midday and then have a well-earned beer.. Everyone sacrifice the price of one beer a week to cover the cost. FORM a council, come together, organise themselves, have a bit of pride and self respect, FFS. Anyway, why live hundreds of miles from everything and then COMPLAIN that you don't have facilities and the white man should come out and clean up your shite? Europeans organised themselves here, in America, elsewhere, and have been showing the Aborigines how it's done for centuries now. It is ABORIGINAL 'communities', so Aborigines must take responsibility for them. They should have a voice into each other's ears about pulling together, working together, respecting themselves, their women, children, each other and their communities and stop the self-degradation, the debasement of each other, their children and surroundings. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by John Smith on Aug 26th, 2023 at 4:34pm Frank wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 3:25pm:
the only one I've heard complaining is you :D |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 26th, 2023 at 5:10pm mothra wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 1:15pm:
What IS the point of Aboriginal elders (who are not necessarily elderly) if they can't bring their people together, make them pull together and take some responsibility for where they put their rubbish in their own communities, how they look after their kiddies, how they keep them clothed, fed, schooled and out of harm's way? What use are they if they are not leading their people? What respect is due to them? Just being old but otherwise of no use is not a basis for 'respect for Aboriginal elders, past present and energing'. Some of them are runken sexual predators on the children in their 'communities' themselves but the code of silence, like the Mafia's omertà, protects them. It's no use giving people operating in an Aboriginal version of the omertà a voice to parliament. They cant even have an effective voice within their own Aboriginal communities about elementary things like not rubbishing and fouling their own villages and not abusing their own children. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 26th, 2023 at 8:34pm
I'm Indigenous - the bloke down the road is Aboriginal..... we are both Indigenous.... easy as pie....
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 27th, 2023 at 11:06am
Much of the present debate about the Voice can be traced to John Howard who, while expressing personal sorrow for what had happened to indigenous Australians, declined to offer an official apology on behalf of his government and the Commonwealth. Howard’s reason for doing, he said, was because “I do not believe, as a matter of principle,that one generation can accept responsibility for the acts of an earlier generation. I don’t accept that as a matter of principle”.
... Howard wasn’t arguing against the idea of corporate responsibility per se but whether or not individuals of the present generation should be held responsible for the actions of individuals in a previous generations The question of intergenerational guilt really goes to the heart of the current debate involving reconciliation. As Jacinta Nampijinpa Price has argued recently and once again recently argued, the current Prime Minister’s strategy has been “banking on gaslighting Australians” to vote ‘Yes’. But what has the perpetual sorry cycle we have entered into as a nation achieved? Sadly, it has only produced an ever increasing hostility and simmering resentment. https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/religion/2023/08/endless-circuits-of-the-apology-loop/ The Vibe is simply not enough to convince most people. And when you start looking into Aboriginal affairs closely the arguments for a Voice become less and less convincing as more and more Aboriginal culpability for ther 'disadvanage' comes to light. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 27th, 2023 at 11:34am
I note that many of us refuse to cringe..... we did nothing and are owed an apology for the abuse....
Telemgwangetfuked ... ancient Hebrew.... true story.. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 29th, 2023 at 8:33pm
Curious about the true agenda of Albanese's divisive Voice?
Then watch this shocking interview between Voice architect Pat Anderson and SEARCH, a successor organisation of the Communist Party of Australia, where everything is exposed! https://twitter.com/PaulineHansonOz/status/1696393463745663469 |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 29th, 2023 at 8:48pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 11:34am:
Sorry - that's Aramaic..... suffering Christ on a cross............ |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Aug 30th, 2023 at 9:19pm
Anyway - I'm White and Indigenous - the bloke down the road is Aboriginal and Indigenous.... only he is Aboriginal.... he flies his Abo flag and his next door neighbour flies his Australian flag - they are good mates.. it's a great laugh ... up these parts we're civilised, you know... don't hold with any of that big city bullshit... and anything over 300 people is big city....
Too close to town for me here.... Montana looks good... |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Aug 31st, 2023 at 9:58am
Mr Howard insisted the constitutional amendment on which Australians would soon vote divided the nation by race. “However you slice and dice, it does do that,” he said. “It does create a body that will be inevitably composed of Indigenous people and the electorate for that body will be composed by Indigenous Australians.”
Mr Howard then said the proposal for an Indigenous advisory body went against what made people Australian. “I have often thought of a speech I’ve heard Bob Hawke make in 1988 when he said the only thing that define(s) you as an Australian was your commitment to Australia,” he said. “No matter where you came from, whether you were Anglo Celtic, you were Italian, Greek, Christian, Jewish, Atheist whatever. It didn’t matter. That’s how it should be. “You were defined by your commitment to Australia. “Yet this proposal defies that. Defies the declaration of the person I regard as the most successful Labor – and I stress the adjective – prime minister that Australia has had.” Mr Howard said he hoped the voice was defeated resoundingly in every state. “I would encourage no voters to maintain the rage,” he said. Mr Howard’s criticisms of the proposal to enshrine the voice in the Constitution included that it would ultimately coerce and not advise. “Whatever the government might say in the next six weeks, the truth is that any pronouncement of this body will have a coercive effect on the government of the day,” he said. “You’ve gone through all this trouble to insert it in the Constitution and now you are going to ignore their advice?” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/john-howard-calls-on-no-indigenous-voice-to-parliament-supporters-to-maintain-their-rage/news-story/8a8f6657b109ce7d86a26cafa2cec263 |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by issuevoter on Sep 1st, 2023 at 7:45am
How do mixed blood people identify as Aboriginal but not European? Isn't there something illogical in this? It cannot be by percentage, as many of the most vocal are clearly more European.
I call it Pascoe Syndrome as a psychological construct. These questions cannot be brushed off as frivolous. There are increasing legallities involved. If the Voice were made law, could one of these mixed blood people be appointed to the body? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Sep 1st, 2023 at 12:02pm issuevoter wrote on Sep 1st, 2023 at 7:45am:
The Voice is about CREATING an Aboriginal ' nation's that never has existed and doesn't yet exist. As Hobbes well knew, it was being represented in parliament, with its elaborate rituals and ongoing political bargaining, that had gradually fused the English nobility and the gentry into assertive, self-conscious estates, whose collective identity transcended their deep differences. In his masterpiece, Leviathan (1651), which was published in the same year as the first application of the noun “representative” to parliament, he therefore argued that it was the political process itself, with its unifying symbols, ceremonies and practices, that converts the mass into “the people”. Instead of the people creating the polity, it was the polity that brought “the people” into being, defining the “who, what and when” that took disparate individuals and through participation in the political system gave them a collective identity. But nothing ensured the process of constructing a “people” would be a pretty sight – least of all where the politics of difference was involved. Rather, as the subsequent centuries painfully showed, the politics of difference relied on a logic that defined “us” by the exclusion of, and vehement opposition to, “them”. Drenched in grievance, and exploiting it to create group solidarity, ethnically and racially based representation was invariably deeply divisive – as each of the voice’s predecessors, and its overseas counterparts, proved to be. It is that process Australians are being asked to endorse under the guise of “recognition”: not the acknowledgment of an Indigenous “people”, which – divided as it is by geography, descent, language, location and social class – scarcely exists, but the institutional mechanism by which such a “people” will be given a permanent identity and shaped into a distinct political nation. The determination of who is and who is not eligible to take part in the voice; the periodic recording of eligibility on public electoral rolls and official voting registers; the repeated rituals of selection; the voice’s own deliberations, and the symbolism that accompanies them: all those will combine to conjure that nation out of whole cloth. There may, for sure, be disagreements among its members and constituents. But the proposal’s entire point is to replace the many voices of Indigenous Australians with a single voice. And if the wretched history of ethnic and racial representation has any undeniable lessons, it is that the greater the cleavages within a group, the greater is the attempt to strengthen group solidarity by heightening and hardening the distinction between “us” and “them”. It is therefore hardly unreasonable to fear that this artificially constructed identity will undermine our shared identity as Australians who deserve mutual respect and decent life chances simply by virtue of equal citizenship. Nor is it unreasonable to fear that the triumph of the politics of difference will transform this country into a state that attempts to house two increasingly hostile nations within a single political breast. That would not be recognition; it would be misrecognition. And far from doing no harm, it would corrode our already fragile political fabric. Whether Australians fall into that trap is what the next six weeks will determine. HENRY ERGAS COLUMNIST Spot on, as usual. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by thegreatdivide on Sep 1st, 2023 at 12:48pm Frank wrote on Sep 1st, 2023 at 12:02pm:
Erroneous, as usual for conservative commentators. The politics of difference, between the haves and the have nots, is already alive and well in Oz. Jobs and houses for everyone is necessary to overcome the politics of difference. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Sep 11th, 2023 at 11:17am
https://youtu.be/2kGtlMjvXQA?si=cIVuHD1I4IxZPz8_
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Lisa Jones on Sep 11th, 2023 at 1:10pm Frank wrote on Sep 1st, 2023 at 12:02pm:
Very well articulated. And the fact that successive Australian govts pursued a strong multicultural policy for so many years means we are now defined by our mixed cultural ethnicity. Irrespective of how we choose to identify...we are all mixed blooded (some more than others ... but the mixing has been taking place ever since 1788). What we should be discussing is this : Why are Australians suddenly so MIXED UP about all this? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Sep 11th, 2023 at 1:24pm Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 11th, 2023 at 1:10pm:
When people are mixed up about what a woman is, or what marriage is, or why Marxism fails, or what the meaning of 'is' is, etc, etc, then they are likely to be mixed up about anything and everything. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Sep 11th, 2023 at 1:50pm
"There may, for sure, be disagreements among its members and constituents. But the proposal’s entire point is to replace the many voices of Indigenous Australians with a single voice."
Well - no - it has no intention of replacing a single one of the multitude of paid for bodies already doing that work at the local, state and Federal level.... so what is left? Nothing more nor less than being an Aboriginal Parliament... |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Brian Ross on Sep 11th, 2023 at 4:09pm
Soren your jealousy doesn't become you but is typical of a Racist which you are. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler on Sep 11th, 2023 at 4:42pm
He's Aboriginal over there - we're both Indigenous.... my ex bro-in-law is Aboriginal - we're both Indigenous to this country...
Under 50% - how much Aruakoon? Bonus question:- By what right does any group get to lay claim to lands they personally have never used or walked over any more than anyone else.... sitting in the pub or club all day and talking about the good olde days of when you just claimed everything in sight and challenged anyone else to take it does not constitute ownership in the 21st Century ....and considering that ALL national parks are in use as national parks - the argument there ends. Now then - about this cutting off access to the beach by putting in a native title barrier across ten yards of sand..... someone explain that to me again and why the stakeholders weren't consulted in any way? What's so pharken sacred about a stretch of sand and rubbish trees? How was it 'unused'? By locals refusing to cross it and preferring to drive miles to get to their beaches? Put a bulldozed track through it.... Anyone? Has the Queerslund government backed down on that one and dictated - as they dictated closure so easily - that an access for all MUST be in place and undisturbed? How DARE they? .... and Australia takes one more small step towards civil war .............. talk about stupid...... those public servants involved in that one should be sacked and stripped of their retirement package and so forth... and their OMA - Order of Mangling Australia ... PHARK 'EM AND THEIR IMPOSED RULES! |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Sep 11th, 2023 at 9:09pm
The Voice is about CREATING an Aboriginal ' nation's that never has existed and doesn't yet exist.
As Hobbes well knew, it was being represented in parliament, with its elaborate rituals and ongoing political bargaining, that had gradually fused the English nobility and the gentry into assertive, self-conscious estates, whose collective identity transcended their deep differences. In his masterpiece, Leviathan (1651), which was published in the same year as the first application of the noun “representative” to parliament, he therefore argued that it was the political process itself, with its unifying symbols, ceremonies and practices, that converts the mass into “the people”. Instead of the people creating the polity, it was the polity that brought “the people” into being, defining the “who, what and when” that took disparate individuals and through participation in the political system gave them a collective identity. But nothing ensured the process of constructing a “people” would be a pretty sight – least of all where the politics of difference was involved. Rather, as the subsequent centuries painfully showed, the politics of difference relied on a logic that defined “us” by the exclusion of, and vehement opposition to, “them”. Drenched in grievance, and exploiting it to create group solidarity, ethnically and racially based representation was invariably deeply divisive – as each of the voice’s predecessors, and its overseas counterparts, proved to be. It is that process Australians are being asked to endorse under the guise of “recognition”: not the acknowledgment of an Indigenous “people”, which – divided as it is by geography, descent, language, location and social class – scarcely exists, but the institutional mechanism by which such a “people” will be given a permanent identity and shaped into a distinct political nation. The determination of who is and who is not eligible to take part in the voice; the periodic recording of eligibility on public electoral rolls and official voting registers; the repeated rituals of selection; the voice’s own deliberations, and the symbolism that accompanies them: all those will combine to conjure that nation out of whole cloth. There may, for sure, be disagreements among its members and constituents. But the proposal’s entire point is to replace the many voices of Indigenous Australians with a single voice. And if the wretched history of ethnic and racial representation has any undeniable lessons, it is that the greater the cleavages within a group, the greater is the attempt to strengthen group solidarity by heightening and hardening the distinction between “us” and “them”. It is therefore hardly unreasonable to fear that this artificially constructed identity will undermine our shared identity as Australians who deserve mutual respect and decent life chances simply by virtue of equal citizenship. Nor is it unreasonable to fear that the triumph of the politics of difference will transform this country into a state that attempts to house two increasingly hostile nations within a single political breast. That would not be recognition; it would be misrecognition. And far from doing no harm, it would corrode our already fragile political fabric. Whether Australians fall into that trap is what the next six weeks will determine. HENRY ERGAS COLUMNIST Spot on, as usual. There are NO first nations, never have been. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Gnads on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:18am mothra wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 1:15pm:
Remote communities are not just filled with "old" people. ::) |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Lisa Jones on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:34am Frank wrote on Sep 11th, 2023 at 1:24pm:
Ha! Funnily enough that’s something my mum would have said to me. She was well aware of the BS overtaking our country. And she was also thankful that as a God fearing widow she had the faith and strength to teach, guide, ensure that all her 4 children were tertiary educated because she saw the left wing woke marketing strategy of trying to sell sh1t as clay. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Gnads on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:37am issuevoter wrote on Sep 1st, 2023 at 7:45am:
Marcia Langton, Megan Davis, Noel Pearson, Teela Reed & the majority of those involved in the Uluru Statement, The First Nations Referendum Working Group(20 people) & First Nations Referendum Engagement Group(40 people) & Constitutional Expert Group(8 people) - 68 in total are of mixed race. The only non Aboriginal people were in the 8 Constitutional Experts group. One of those has spoken out about the potential of the Voice to interfere in Govt operation. Professor Greg Craven. https://voice.gov.au/advisory-groups/constitutional-expert-group |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Sep 12th, 2023 at 9:26am
Indigenous Australians and First Nations people from across the globe are being offered ticket discounts of up to $170 under new “Mob Tix” concessions launched by the nation’s elite ballet, musical, arts, cultural and sporting bodies and institutions.
Special mob discounts of up to 80 per cent for Aboriginal, Torres Strait Islander, Maori, Pacific Islanders and other First Nations people have been established in the run-up to the October 14 referendum to enshrine an Indigenous voice advisory body in the Constitution. No proof of eligibility is required to access the tickets and those who identify as a certain race or ethnic group will have their details kept confidential. I checked the Opera House website and tickets for B Reserve, normally $130 are selling for $25 as Mobtix. https://www.sydneyoperahouse.com/mob-tix Now even I am an Aborigine. :-* :-* |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Sep 12th, 2023 at 9:29am Frank wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 9:26am:
Opposition frontbencher Bridget McKenzie said “disadvantaged Indigenous Australians are not going to the ballet or the opera or coming from all the way from Wilcannia or Kununurra to the National Gallery. Helping affluent Indigenous people access elite cultural practice will do nothing to close the gap. Australians who go to these events are not the poor and the marginalised,” she said. She is right. This is craven, oily virtue signalling. Cringe. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Mattyfisk on Sep 12th, 2023 at 4:13pm Frank wrote on Sep 11th, 2023 at 1:24pm:
What is? Struggle. Always absolutely never ever. Do you know what you are, dear boy? You're a Marxist. You love to struggle ever so. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis, innit. Who IS Aboriginal? Why, old boy, you. You're a right first nation Knut, no? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Sep 13th, 2023 at 9:50am
MORE than 100 Queenslanders of Sri Lankan descent have received millions of dollars in concessional loans by falsely claiming they were Aboriginal.
Aborigines in Bundaberg and Hervey Bay have complained that scores of descendants of the Appo family were not entitled to the concessions they had received over the past 30 years. Family members have obtained Abstudy grants, home loans at 2 to 8 percent, business establishment loans, legal assistance and preferences for university positions and jobs. Federal Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Herron yesterday said he would look into the issue as a matter of urgency. ``I will be seeking advice from ATSIC, and if the allegations merit an independent inquiry the Director of the Office of Evaluation and Audit will be tasked with a full investigation,'' Senator Herron said. Some members of the Appo family have made state and national indigenous sporting teams despite not having any Aboriginal heritage. They operate cultural schools for tourists, and some members paint Aboriginal art and sell it commercially. The issue was brought to the fore on July 21 in the Townsville Magistrates Court, when Allen Keith Appo, 66, of Bundaberg, was charged with possession of undersized and female mud crabs. Appo claimed in his defence that the Fisheries Act did not apply to him because he was Aboriginal, and therefore he could fish without restriction. However Department of Primary Industries legal officers researched Appo's genealogy and presented generations of birth, death and marriage certificates showing his heritage was purely Sri Lankan. Magistrate John Brennan found Appo was not Aboriginal, and fined him $2300 including costs. Appo was represented by Townsville Aboriginal Legal Aid, who also funded his appeal to the District Court on November 3. Judge Robert Pack dismissed the appeal, and held that the magistrate was correct in finding that Appo was not Aboriginal. In Bundaberg on Thursday, Appo said he would appeal to the High Court so long as he could get Aboriginal Legal Aid to fund him. He lives on a valuable 3ha riverside property with a mango and lime orchard. ``Because the Fisheries Department has vast resources, they included one of my cousins to give evidence against me,'' Mr Appo said. ``She said I have no Aboriginal in me. That is only hearsay evidence. I have documented evidence which I presented -- certificates by local people who swear I have Aboriginal blood. ``If this decision holds, my children and their children will be affected because they will not be eligible for Aboriginal programmes.'' In January 1995, artist Kelvin Appo, of Bundaberg, was also caught by fisheries inspectors with undersized and female crabs. He was charged and also used the defence of Aboriginality, but was found guilty because birth certificates showed he did not have Aboriginal blood. He was fined $2700. Despite that conviction, he has continued to vote in ATSIC elections and has claimed Abstudy grants for his children and sold Aboriginal art. ``I got a housing loan from ATSIC 16 years ago,'' he said. ``It was $57,000 at 2.5 percent and it is now 8 percent. ``Before you get a housing loan from ATSIC you have to have the proper documents stating you are an Aboriginal descendant. ``I had four or five of those to get the house. They actually queried me at the ATSIC elections when I went to vote. ``I have got two brothers and a sister, and my wife and I have five children. All of us and my children went through school on Abstudy.'' When interviewed by The Courier-Mail on Thursday, Mr Appo had five paintings for sale at a public display in Bundaberg, asking between $500 and $700 each. One Aboriginal member of the family, Julie Appo, and her uncle, Merv Johnson, said it was destructive to local Aboriginal people to see jobs and programme concessions designed specifically for indigenous people going to others who were not entitled to claim them. ``Some of these people hold university positions teaching indigenous culture, and another couple go around schools and teach dance and culture -- yet they have no Aboriginal blood at all,'' she said. ``Employment opportunities offered specifically for ATSI people have been snapped up by these members of the Appo family who are Sinhalese. That deprives a genuine Aboriginal person of getting a job, position, a wage -- and thereby providing something for his children to aspire to. ``This battle has been going on for 30 years, and it is just not right that the ATSIC budget is squandered on people who are neither Aboriginal nor Torres Strait Islander.'' Mr Johnson said Appo family members had voted in ATSIC elections when local people knew they were not eligible. At a meeting held in Bundaberg on May 6, details were given of the cost of sending one woman student the Aboriginal community says was ineligible to study for a masters degree at Deakin University, Geelong. Four years of study -- including six return airfares a year to Bundaberg, Abstudy, tutor fees and accommodation -- totalled $129,960. They accuse another Appo family at Nambour of being non-indigenous, yet running dance and cultural courses in schools. ``These programmes are designed to assist ATSI people, to improve our situation,'' Julie Appo said. ``There are a limited number of these opportunities available, and as a group we are missing out.'' |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Sep 13th, 2023 at 9:57am
One of the plaintiffs who succeeded in prosecuting Andrew Bolt for racial discrimination in 2011 was Larissa Behrendt, who grew up in the white middle class suburb of Gymea, near the Port Hacking waterfront in the Sutherland Shire of Sydney. Larissa became the centre of media attention at one point during the hearings of Bolt’s trial. The ABC program Q&A invited Bess Price, a Northern Territory Aboriginal politician (and mother of now Senator Jacinta Price), to talk about the Howard government’s large-scale “intervention” into domestic violence and child sexual abuse in remote Aboriginal communities. Bess Price had praised Howard’s actions but, watching it at home, Larissa could hardly contain her contempt. Her Twitter protest to one of her contacts at the ABC made Larissa front-page news when she said: “I watched a show where a guy had sex with a horse and I’m sure it was less offensive than Bess Price.”
Her comment was not only something that would now probably rate as hate speech but it also opened up what had been until then a largely unspoken gulf within Aboriginal politics. The activist academic Marcia Langton felt compelled to intervene herself, describing Behrendt’s comments as: …an exemplar of the wide cultural, moral and increasingly political rift between urban, left-wing, activist Aboriginal women and the bush women who witness the horrors of life in their communities, much of which is arrogantly denied by the former … Behrendt and the other anti-intervention campaign maestros have assumed the role of superior thinkers whose grand education and positions in the metropolis qualify them to heap contempt on the natives of that faraway place where other Australians rarely tread foot and about which they sustain a romantic out-of-date mythological view.[11] Now, Bess Price is a fully Aboriginal woman, born and raised within the Walpiri tribe in the Central Australian desert. However, neither Larissa nor her parents came from an Aboriginal community, so they couldn’t honestly fulfil all three parts of the Commonwealth’s test for Aboriginality. https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/aborigines/2023/05/bogus-identity-and-constitutional-change/ |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Sep 13th, 2023 at 10:02am
Dr Hagan said the widely accepted method test of “descent, self-identification and acceptance” by the Aboriginal community had already been abused to support fraudulent claims.
He said the only real test was for a person to name and prove their links to a tribe and an “apical ancestor” — a tribe’s common ancestor who can be demonstrated to be at the apex of the Aboriginal lineage of a group. READ MORE: ‘23 detainees claim ‘I’m indigenous’ | High Court rules indigenous people cannot be deported | This split decision raises issues of race and privilege “The existing three-part test is as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike if it does not specify links to an apical ancestor,’’ he said. “Anyone can do an internet search on a tribe and spin a good yarn to get around the definition, provided they can convince a gullible Aboriginal leader to say, ‘Yeah, I know him/her’, and then sign off on a confirmation of Aboriginality certificate. Naming a tribe as proof of Aboriginality is no more than a geography lesson. “An easy test to eliminate deceitful claims to Aboriginality, including those coming from detention centres of late, is to apply the apical ancestor test by going back a minimum of three generations. Ask claimants to do that and you’ll soon put a stop to fraudulent claims.” Ms Weldon said she had seen widespread fraud by people claiming to be indigenous so they could access Aboriginal-identified government jobs, university scholarships or public housing. An elder of the Wiradjuri people from central-west NSW, she said “self-identification” by a statutory declaration — despite no evidence of Aboriginal lineage — was often accepted as proof. “People are self-identifying with no proof, no links to Aboriginal community or culture, by ticking the box and getting statutory declarations signed by a JP,’’ she said. “There are individuals and organisations that are handing them out like lolly paper.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous-anger-over-rise-of-fake-aborigines/news-story/16f3f2c46809c89afb23179f490456ed Today's Aboriginal identity news was brought to you by the letter B: Bogus, bollocks, bs. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Sep 18th, 2023 at 5:13pm |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 5th, 2023 at 5:16pm
Indigenous leader Michael Mansell is standing firm in his claim that Senator Jacqui Lambie is not Aboriginal, with the issue now a high-stakes battle before the Australian Human Rights Commission.
Senator Lambie, who claims Aboriginal descent along with 30,000 other Tasmanians, has made a formal complaint alleging Mr Mansell’s attack on her Aboriginality constitutes racial hatred under the federal Racial Discrimination Act. Mr Mansell, a veteran Aboriginal activist, on Tuesday repeated his claim and challenged Senator Lambie to “publicly lay out her (Aboriginal) bona fides”, including her line of descent. “I cannot wait for the matter to go before a tribunal or court,” Mr Mansell said. “Or for Senator Lambie to publicly lay out her bona fides. That is all she has to do. ... The conflict over Aboriginality was a factor in the defeat of the voice referendum in Tasmania, with both CHAC and the groups opposing it fearing the new body would be dominated by their opponents. Uh-oh..... "I am Bbbwian - and so is my wifey!!!" "You are not Bbwian - and nor is your wifey!!!" |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Dec 5th, 2023 at 7:03pm
The majority of us are Indigenous these days - a few are Aboriginal - somewhere between three and four percent....
I am totally underwhelmed by anything Michael Mansell thinks... |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 5th, 2023 at 7:15pm Frank wrote on Dec 5th, 2023 at 5:16pm:
Is it wacist for an Aborigine to question the Aboriginal descent of an Aborigine or is it only wacist if a white man like Bolt questions Aboriginal descent? Can an Aborigine BE wacist? What is the term for that? Brown supremacist? Unconscious brown bias and privilege? Shade envy? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Gnads on Dec 6th, 2023 at 7:08am Brian Ross wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 9:56pm:
Get it right Bwyan ... Aboriginal. I'm Indigenous - 4th generation. ;D |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Gnads on Dec 6th, 2023 at 7:14am Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 9:50am:
And the Appos( known about them for over 50 years.) aren't alone. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Dec 6th, 2023 at 7:18am
Clearly there is a growing need to establish who is and who isn't an Aboriginal - and then which of those actually needs or is prepared to accept help** to get out of a bad spot. Like the equally stupid implementation of affirmative action, what possible use was there in handing special privilege to already well-heeled chicks, blacks and non-English speakers (opposition to which some of you morons call 'misogyny' and 'racism' using the sheila's tactics again) just for being part of a specified group while starving the rest of any remote chance of a fair and equal opportunity? Throwing money at groups so that the wild party just gets worse is never going to be a solution.
Stealing the right of the people to, at the ballot box, openly and freely express their will about some special standing is never going to help anyone.... only make things worse. The well-heeled do not need 'help'.... those who will not accept help deserve what they get... they choose their own bed - let them lie in it. Remember Albo said - pre-election - that any 'voice' proposal was utterly dependent upon improvements in certain KPIs on violence, crime, truancy, neglect, abuse, sexual abuse and so forth in communities - then the moment he had his dirty hands on the hot seat on half a mil a year plus all found - that was promptly thrown out the window.... and then to make that worse - he blatantly lied to us. Add to that he condoned the very threat from one 'campaigner' for this voice, that a NO result would end in riots in the streets and Intifada in the Outback, and didn't even tell his pets to back off on that kind of nonsense, meaning he actively encouraged and supported the criminal behaviour of some out there. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Gnads on Dec 6th, 2023 at 7:28am
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There are 2 families in my city that are of Ceylonese descent that have been on the same bandwagon for the 51 years I've lived here. The patriarch of one was even co-running an Aboriginal employment/ labour hire company for a time with offices in Bundy, Gladstone & Rocky. One of the Bundy Appos was here in the mid 70's as a pro-fisherman..... he endeared himself to all the other pros, raiding their pots & taking undersize & female mud crabs - which he was prosecuted for because his claim that he was Aboriginal was refuted in court because he was of SriLankan(Ceylonese) descent. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Dec 6th, 2023 at 7:54am
Gotta love those who leap on that band wagon - must be money in it.... well - I guess it's time to bring all in Australia under the same umbrella of rules re handouts and laws etc .... No Special Privileges! In this day and age - why does any Aboriginal 'need' the ability and opportunity to fish and hunt in some 'traditional way' and under different rules from everyone else (except the grifters such as you've outlined here). Why should they be allowed to take endangered species or smaller etc fish that nobody else can take? Most of them fish at the fish and chip shop, or hunt at Macca's and Woolies etc these days .... lined up at the checkouts... and getting into the lady put there at the auto ones to help out or just to watch.... over 'put there to watch them specifically'** ....I know a Woolies lass who copped that BS ..... some of these stores etc need to grow a set and ban people who abuse and insult staff.
Equality, innit? ** That's about as dumb as the sheila I was taking home in the club bus once, and when we hit her street, I asked which house - and she said:- "Why do you want to know that?" Like WTF? I said, well, I'll drop you on the corner then... oh no.. no - it's cold.... as in WTF??? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Dec 6th, 2023 at 8:02am
Jackie Lambie is suing Mansell over his comments.... this'll be juicy......
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 6th, 2023 at 8:07am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Dec 6th, 2023 at 8:02am:
This has been going on for a while: Rambunctious new Senator Jacqui Lambie has committed to taking DNA tests to prove her Indigenous heritage. The defiant Palmer United Party member today told journalists in Hobart "I know what's in my blood" after Tasmanian Aboriginal Land Council chairman Clyde Mansell questioned her claims that she was descended of an Indigenous leader. "I know what's in my blood. If Mansell wants to take me on, I guess I'll meet him up at the hospital and both have a DNA test and see how we go once and for all," Senator Lambie said. Mr Mansell said DNA tests would not conclusively prove Indigenous heritage. "The matter of fact with Jacqui Lambie is her claim to be of Mannalargenna is not factual," he told the ABC. Last week Senator Lambie said she was subjected to online threats following her claim in Parliament. "We trace our history over six generations to celebrated Aboriginal chieftain of the Tasmania east coast, Mannalargenna," she said in her maiden speech. That was in 2014. https://www.9news.com.au/national/jacqui-lambie-dna-tests-prove-indigenous-heritage/034b4ce4-a704-4ed1-a622-dc0a8b45e998 There are many Mansells In my father's house of Tasmania - John, 14.2 ( I am quoting from memory). |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Mattyfisk on Dec 6th, 2023 at 11:05am Frank wrote on Dec 6th, 2023 at 8:07am:
And do you know? Something tells me there's a bit of the Boong in you, dear boy. A jolly old touch of the tar brush. Yes, you flew here, but we're talking spiritually, like Jacquie. You're a proud indigenous chappie, salt of the earth. You belong to the land, no? Or in your case, in it. You've been rotting away for the past 20 years, you poor old thing. RIP, dear chap. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Gnads on Dec 6th, 2023 at 11:11am Frank wrote on Sep 18th, 2023 at 5:13pm: ;D |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Dec 6th, 2023 at 2:55pm |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by aquascoot on Dec 6th, 2023 at 3:30pm Gnads wrote on Dec 6th, 2023 at 7:14am:
i know a few of the appo boys. they used to ride my racehorse top blokes they sure did look aboriginal |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by aquascoot on Dec 6th, 2023 at 3:33pm
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Mattyfisk on Dec 6th, 2023 at 5:27pm aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2023 at 3:33pm:
Fine, strapping young specimens, Aquascoot. Great stockmen. What do you think they'd have to say to some foreign White Other telling them how to muster their sheep? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Dec 6th, 2023 at 5:30pm |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by aquascoot on Dec 6th, 2023 at 5:58pm Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2023 at 5:27pm:
unlike a leftie intellectual like yourself, i have had a lot to do with aborigines and even have aboriginal grandchildren who i am extremely proud of they are being taught by a strong confident competant family to get onto the narrow road to succes. this involves hard work and staying away from leftie intellectual elites aborigines are resilient , cheeky, cocky and a lot of fun this too seperates them from leftie intellectuals who have none of these characterisitics |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 6th, 2023 at 6:00pm aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2023 at 3:33pm:
They look about as Australian Aboriginal as Mahatma Gandhi!! |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Mattyfisk on Dec 6th, 2023 at 6:28pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 6th, 2023 at 6:00pm:
Aquascoot has trained himself to not see skin colour, Meister. It means as much to him as hair or eye colour. Tinted? Aquascoot never noticed. Loudly worshipping all those multi-limbed gods and godesses? Aquascoot didn't hear that. Eating all that curry? He never knew. Taking a dump at the beach? That's offensive. ![]() |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Mattyfisk on Dec 6th, 2023 at 6:39pm aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2023 at 5:58pm:
Oh, I see. So you let your daughter marry one, eh? Most brave of you, dear. I'd just be careful who you disclose your family's interbreeding to around here. Don't let Grappler or the old boy in on this, okay? They'll have you up on a count of racial impurity. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 6th, 2023 at 7:07pm Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2023 at 6:39pm:
You are as slimey, lying, dishonest and creepy (with added toupee, cravat and gold tooth) as gweggy turd. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Ja-Sindarin on Dec 6th, 2023 at 7:26pm
ducked into a local Coles there and saw about 14 Aborigine Women like I've never seen before. :o
Their skin was the darkest (black) I've ever seen of Aborigines. They spoke in their cultural language which is quite an amazing group of sounds on its own, when one has the luxury not to be distracted from the 'song' of it, by understanding it. Some looked really nice and yet they had that high brow Denisovian look about them or was it something else? It didn't really compromise them at all as their behaviour was really 'sweet-like' sugar and spice with their laughter, politeness, fun they were having. Maybe they were from Arnhem Land, maybe somewhere hidden from the savagery of Civilisation?? In the end, all that I got from experiencing that was - 'nice people' and that was that. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 6th, 2023 at 7:35pm Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2023 at 6:28pm:
Ah ha ha!! Jai Hind! |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Dec 6th, 2023 at 7:48pm Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2023 at 6:39pm:
You are a slimey, lying, dishonest and creepy (with added toupee, cravat and gold tooth) turd. I refuse to drag Greg into this... he has some redeeming qualities. I have Aboriginal relatives, too - unlike you - and I oppose division and Apartheid and separatism supremacism in my country. Mine will have no problem passing the citizenship test and staying out of Aborassic Park or heaven forbid, Gondwanamo Bay for the dissidents and rebels. I'm against all enemies - domestic or foreign.... Apologise now..... or face judgement... |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Mattyfisk on Dec 6th, 2023 at 10:23pm Frank wrote on Dec 6th, 2023 at 7:07pm:
Ooh-er, here's the old boy, offended. No more confessions please, Aquascoot. They always end in tears. Good God, what on earth were you thinking? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Mattyfisk on Dec 6th, 2023 at 10:24pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Dec 6th, 2023 at 7:48pm:
And here's Grappler. He'd like an apology if you please. How very dare you. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by AusGeoff on Dec 7th, 2023 at 2:11am A common definition of indigenous is; "produced, growing, living, or occurring naturally in a particular region or environment". I therefore have no qualms in describing myself as an indigenous Australian, as I was born here and have grown here—and, if you like, occurred... um... naturally here. I've also lived here longer than 99% of living Aboriginals today, as did my father, and his father before him. Why should some Aboriginal social agitators like Bud Marshall, Michael Mansell, Barbara McCarthy, Pat Dodson et al vouchsafe me by telling me how to live or where I can go in my own country of birth? How dare they? I have no tenable grounds for telling them how to live their lives (nor do I care), so why should I then accept the opposite from them? Would we accept this sort of social oversight from any other minority group? I don't think so. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 7th, 2023 at 10:28am AusGeoff wrote on Dec 7th, 2023 at 2:11am:
But despite all the talk of "there are no races", and yet 'white people are inherently racist and white supremacist' and all the rest - you, a descendant of white British settlers from the 19th or early 20th centuries, are still regarded as an introduced species while Aborigines are regarded as the native species. But Aborigines remain, mysteriously, native species even if half or more of their forebears were of the introduced species kind. Some, like Pascoe of Cornwall, merely have to dream that they may have had Aboriginal ancestors and they thus metamorphosis into Aborigines. Other dreamers, like Lambie, are required to present their blood and still not be accepted since DNA is white man's magic with no standing in the Dreamtime. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 7th, 2023 at 10:50am
Another farce within those cultures that practise ancestor worship concerns members within them who are of 'mixed blood'.
Those with, say, one Australian Aboriginal grandparent who also 'despise' or 'reject' the other three due to their ethnicity, can hardly claim that they are true to the practise of ancestor worship. And if they believe that ancestors from beyond the grave can influence the lives of their descendants for better or worse depending on the degree of respect their living descendants show them, better watch out they don't get cursed! |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by AusGeoff on Dec 7th, 2023 at 12:05pm Which of these blokes is an Aboriginal? They both are. Did you guess correctly? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Mattyfisk on Dec 8th, 2023 at 5:51pm Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2023 at 10:28am:
You are an introduced species. You're not descended from white British settlers. Money on the fridge, wog. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Dec 8th, 2023 at 6:19pm
All Aborigines are an introduced species.... it's all in their history...... length of service in the continent doesn't lead to permanent long service leave....
Albo:- “I am your Great Leader, and I bring you the Indigenous Voice!” Peasant 1:- “Oo created this Indigenous Voice then? What's it based on?” Albo (heavenly music):- “The Great Serpent, filled with the power of the seas and the skies and the thunder and lightning in the clouds, came down from Heaven, and using his great body, carved the hills and river courses, and then dying, his mighty ribs created the mountains and his bones the Indigenous People to be custodians over the land and gave them a Voice over all in the land which must be restored to them ….......” Peasant 2:- “Some failed herpetological experiment is no basis on which to form a valid argument to develop a multi-layered government by changing the Constitution! True government comes from a mandate of the masses, willingly given and fully informed! We're a semi-autonomous, quasi-anarchic egalitarian assemblage of rules-bound free individuals who vote every three years on our elected representatives, who then sit down and natter out the best way forward, and if we disagree with them we can write to them or vote them out next time around, or even refuse to abide by their dictates under the guiding principle that 'an unjust law – (or decision or policy for that matter) – is no law - (or decision or policy for that matter) - at all'! We don't need no Voices in our heads telling us what to do!!” Albo:- “But failure to do so is racist and divisive!” Peasant 2:- “Oh – now we see the truth about the injustice and fundamental tyranny in the system – we're racist and divisive for just wanting things left alone!” Albo:- “But I am your Great Leader! You must vote for this Voice or be branded traitor forever – an enemy of the people and racist to boot! Now stop being a bloody racist White invader and just vote for it!” Peasant 2:- “Ah - there it is right in front of you – look everyone – this is how the system treats those who dissent! Name-calling and insult! I'll vote NO thanks.” Albo:- (grabs peasant's shirt front) “Look, you bloody white supremacist invading convict derived moron! Just vote YES for what's right and get on with it!” (shakes peasant) Peasant 2:- “Come on! Look at this everybody!! I'm being oppressed! This is how the system treats you if you say NO.... I'm being oppressed!!” |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by AusGeoff on Dec 9th, 2023 at 4:42am Love your writing mate! This is gold. 👍 |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on May 27th, 2024 at 9:01am
A child rapist who attacked his stepdaughter while his wife was giving birth was allowed to stay in Australia as a result of Immigration Minister Andrew Giles’ direction giving leniency to foreign-born criminals with ties to the nation, with overseeing tribunal member and ex-Labor speaker Anna Burke saying the direction “clearly states” tolerance for such offenders.
The ministerial direction has also played a role in at least two cases of migrant criminals who were allowed to stay after they claimed they were Aboriginal or accepted as Aboriginal by association to their romantic partners and children. In all cases, the offenders had failed Australia’s character test and were going to be deported before the Administrative Appeals Tribunal reinstated their visas citing Direction 99. As Labor and Mr Giles’ political crisis over their lack of control over foreign offenders worsens, The Australian has uncovered dozens of cases in front of the AAT where criminals were able to stay in Australia as a result of Mr Giles’ Direction 99. Aboriginality is now becoming an excuse for foreign nationals wanting to stay, with one Cambodian-born criminal saying his deportation would split him from his Aboriginal partner and his five stepchildren and therefore “split up an Aboriginal family”. A New Zealander said an elder had certified him as a member of the Yorta Yorta community and he had links to Aboriginal Australia through his two children. In the child rape case, a New Zealand-born man – referred to as CHCY – kept his visa two months ago despite being found guilty of raping and assaulting his 14-year-old stepdaughter multiple times while his wife was in hospital giving birth to his youngest child. In her judgment in March, Ms Burke – who was speaker of the House of Representatives under Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd – said that the man had ties to Australia via his wife, children and parents, and that Direction 99 was a reason behind her decision to stop attempts to cancel his visa. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/andrew-giles-ministerial-direction-allows-child-rapist-to-remain-in-australia/news-story/76ece47b219db82db03b1d70b8263507 |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on May 29th, 2024 at 8:42am
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‘I self-identify as an Aboriginal’: Sudanese migrant with criminal history saved from deportation by claiming he is Indigenous The Sudanese international, known as RCWV and born in Khartoum, where he spent the first 20 years of his life, moved to Australia on a protection visa. His visa was revoked after committing multiple knife crimes, car jackings and drug related offences, as well as other serious driving offences. RCWV was also found guilty of breaching his AVO and violently attacking his Aboriginal girlfriend, identified as A, as reported by The Australian. Under Direction 99, RCWV convinced the Australian Administrative Tribunal his 10-year relationship with A, with which he fathered three children, was grounds on which he could remain in Australia. “I self-identify as an Aboriginal person and consider Australia to be my country,” he said in a written submission to the Tribunal. “I have been accepted by the Indigenous people of this country through its customs and tradition in a smoking ceremony. “I also learnt a lot about Aboriginal culture, was taught how to paint Aboriginal art and have also played digeridoo (sic) in the past.” https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/i-selfidentify-as-an-aboriginal-sudanese-migrant-with-criminal-history-saved-from-deportation-by-claiming-he-is-indigenous/news-story/01a8d40353173880077d68ed5e0cf82f?amp Recidivist violent criminal behaviour - tick. Beats spouse - tick. Plays the didge- tick. Claims victimhood. - tick. He ticks all the necessary boxes to be accepted as Aboriginal, ergo he is a proud Aboriginal man. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Gnads on May 29th, 2024 at 9:42am Frank wrote on May 29th, 2024 at 8:42am:
Using a claim of Aboriginal acceptance to hide behind in his criminality. Pathetic. What's more pathetic is authorities falling for this bullshyte. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 29th, 2024 at 1:06pm
This nonsense is out of control. It's just a rort, and nobody is that stupid - so it has to be a deliberate policy of government.
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by UnSubRocky on May 29th, 2024 at 3:33pm
A girl at university here has claimed to be indigenous. That, despite being blonde haired and blue eyed, with fair skin. Last year, I sat through the orientation week, where I did not see one single indigenous student there. It was until February this year that I saw about four students who looked indigenous (and identified as such, going with the indigenous patterns on their shirts).
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 29th, 2024 at 8:29pm
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on May 29th, 2024 at 9:27pm UnSubRocky wrote on May 29th, 2024 at 3:33pm:
Are they more real Aborigines than Jesus? You accept their Aboriginality despite your lying eyes telling you that they are blonde and blue eyed Irish. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Gnads on May 30th, 2024 at 8:53am UnSubRocky wrote on May 29th, 2024 at 3:33pm:
Yeah the country is full of white people who say they're of Aboriginal descent, don a shirt with dot painting patterns and the Aboriginal flag patch and ... voilà!! This sheila from Rocky is a blue eyed redhead ... plays in the NRLW. So what if their parents, grandparents or great grand parents or one of them were part Aboriginal? They simply have mixed ancestry...... as do most Australians. ![]() |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Gnads on May 30th, 2024 at 8:59am
And this bloke in the NRL - Nicholas(Nicho) Hynes
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by UnSubRocky on May 30th, 2024 at 11:51am Frank wrote on May 29th, 2024 at 9:27pm:
The girl I talked to was adamant that she identified as aboriginal. I was left wondering how she would even think that way when she clearly looks as blonde and blue-eyed as any caucasian Northern European. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by UnSubRocky on May 30th, 2024 at 11:59am Gnads wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 8:53am:
I was a little bit embarrassed to forget Tamika's name. I have spoken to her, back in her touch football days when she was in the region. I won't go into details about what she talked about. But, she did say that she identified as indigenous Australian. She obviously looks white to me. Heck, she could pass as my own daughter, for all I know. I work with a guy that is going to represent Australia as part of the indigenous side. He looks white. But, I bet he has some indigenous ancestry going back to his grandparents' generation. I can only see some indigenous racial characteristics. I have no issue with people looking non-aboriginal identifying as aboriginal Australian. But, I wonder if all the special benefits dried up would those people still identify as indigenous? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Gnads on May 30th, 2024 at 6:57pm UnSubRocky wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 11:59am:
Exactly. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 30th, 2024 at 7:16pm
If they were so 'oppressed', 'down-trodden' and 'punched down on' (a reflection of their fight over everything same as the Arab tribal culture) - none of them who are near white would 'identify' as Aboriginal.
Get rid of all the special privileges - and those that are mounting daily in the hands of inner city slackers who know nothing but feel all smarmy about everything - and they'd all disappear. I've often considered 'ticking the box' on some handout thing - travel for specialist treatment or whatever - and seeing if I get extra treatment. This has to stop in the 21st century, along with all this mad rush to just hand over everything. Every time there are comments on some nice spot to visit - most people are saying 'get in now before it's all closed off'.... total nonsense. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by UnSubRocky on May 31st, 2024 at 4:47pm Quote:
Just to clarify this bit: I meant that I work with an indigenous guy. He is about to represent a team of indigenous players on a sports team. He looks white, but does look like he has indigenous heritage. In reviewing my statement earlier, I get the feeling that the indigenous all stars vs maoris comes off looking like some sympathy game. Someone on "Get Fukt" facebook page asked "When is the Captain Cook rounds?" |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 15th, 2024 at 9:43am
We now have the return of the "one drop rule", hypodescent. It is the application of the old US segregationist rule: "one drop of blood, all n***er", but with the reversal of the negative into a supposed positive: one Aboriginal grandmother, all Aboriginal.
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 15th, 2024 at 10:01am
A better term for hypodescent today would be 'microdescent'...
Not that it would make any more sense in terms of genetics or 'genetic memory'. By the 5th generation, direct genetic descent from at least one ancestor will be almost, if not, zero - even by the 4th generation. We do not inherit exactly half our genes from each parent or exactly one quarter from each grandparent, etc. Self-identification via cultural immersion/assimilation, of course, is a different story. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on Dec 15th, 2024 at 12:24pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 10:01am:
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 15th, 2024 at 12:42pm Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 12:24pm:
Given the wide variance of inherited DNA from ancestors (between 18% and 32% from any one grandparent, and an even wider variance for each subsequent ancestral generation), the latest generational individuals today will likely not be 'aboriginal' at all - i.e. no genetic material from the original full-blood aboriginal. Most often, mature-age self-identity with an aboriginal ancestor is imagined/ confected for whatever reason and is likely inspired by family myth and 'folklore'. Add to that a tendency towards a schizty personality and the person may imagine they're feeling the 'vibe' or presence of their ancestor's 'spirit' without any evidence that they're descended from that ancestor at all. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 15th, 2024 at 12:54pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 12:42pm:
That's why ANZ psychiatrists have moved away from 'gender affirming' to demanding fact based diagnosis of anyone who reckons they are a woman in a man's body and vice versa. Same here - we need to move away from 'race affirming' and onto a factual basis for identifying - if indeed 'identifying' someone as Aboriginal is and should even be a necessity in this day and age. Albo created The Great Divide (don't laugh about a 'company' schill) - the Rift between White and Black Australia and triggered the Intifada out West that was threatened and also triggered the inevitable response that will come, which in the short term will mean massive incarceration (better food in prison) and ultimately a need for a final solution* to all these problems - Aborassic Park sounds good... the Two State Solution... the Homeland all their own without ANY interference... For the umpteenth time - it never occurred to me that Ray Martin and Stan The Tan were Aboriginal despite it being obvious... never occurred to me that the Ella Brothers might be any different from any other Rugby players - just part of the side ....... wouldn't think half or more of the 'Indigenous' NRL side were Aboriginal unless they made a point of it. I'M Indigenous - getting towards seven generations now...... that bloke who was in the Navy once who was at the club yesterday is Aboriginal and Indigenous..... he wears the shirt made by the white man's process ... true story... * bait laid - do you twits know the difference between a 'final solution' and a 'Final Solution!' One is a calculated policy - the other a simple solution..... come in, spinners.... bring your Pascorigine ideas with you ... |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 15th, 2024 at 1:07pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 12:54pm:
It gets complicated when an actual non-aboriginal has been immersed/assimilated into Aboriginal culture. For those who are, they have a justifiable reason for identifying as Aboriginal - regardless of no evidence of their actual genetic inheritance. And, given those immersed individuals who also claim descent through family myth or folklore, the lack of birth records and other documentation of (particularly) Aboriginals before the mid-20th century, makes their claim of descent impossible to disprove. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 15th, 2024 at 1:31pm
Lividia Thorpe's father is Roy Illingworth. White Anglo Irish.
https://x.com/freedom_007__/status/1848335463905366508 So she's as white as she is Abhorighine. How embarrassment! |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 15th, 2024 at 1:48pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 1:07pm:
Cancel Separatism/Apartheid/Segregation and just label them Australian. They can be Australian Aboriginal or Australian Lebanese or whatever... as long as they are Australian and (gasps) under one flag first... My nephew and the others (two sides) don't bother with all this Aboriginal guff... they just get along in life...... and some Aborigines are good fullahs and some are Wannabe Goodfellas. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 15th, 2024 at 2:38pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 1:48pm:
I'd bet none of them are concerned about being known as Australian Aboriginal as an ethnic identity... Their tribal/clan/mob name is of greater importance to them than what their collective ethnicity is known as by outsiders. No Indigenous peoples anywhere in the world just give up their identity for a fictitious one, or one defined by a people foreign to them. Why should Australian Aboriginals? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 15th, 2024 at 2:45pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 2:38pm:
Well, they have a flag... That must mean somefin'... :o :o |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 15th, 2024 at 2:56pm
Having a flag associated with an ethnic or regional identity is common throughout the world.
There is nothing uniquely Australian or Australian Aboriginal about it. There are hundreds of recognised regional or Indigenous peoples' flags currently around the world. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 15th, 2024 at 2:59pm Frank wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 2:45pm:
Nobody has a problem with their being of their clan - as long as they don't make it a problem for anyone else.... and there are countless ways of doing that. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 15th, 2024 at 3:05pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 2:56pm:
What is surprising is that there is only one Australian Aboriginal flag. Were Australian Aboriginals to follow the world norm, there would be a flag for every major tribal group. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 15th, 2024 at 3:36pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 2:56pm:
So it is, as you say, theatre, the Aboriginal identity, the flag and the whole Aboriginal voice wheeze. Quote:
They are tribal people, speaking mutually unintelligible languages, with no political or legal institutions of their own tribal making. An Aboriginal flag is like a white European flag ( not the EU flag), a make belief pantomime. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 15th, 2024 at 3:43pm
The most famous clanspeople in the Anglosphere are the Scottish.
There are dozens of clans, each with their own identity colours (tartans). While they broadly identify themselves as Scottish and unite under a single flag, traditionally they identify themselves regionally and within a clan. Scottish clans can have distinct histories, cultures and dialects. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 15th, 2024 at 4:06pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
Not to mention mutually unintelligible languages.... :D :P Anyway, at least they have a history. Aborigines have no history before 1788. For them, 1750 was indistinguishable from 1256 or 10,000 BC. That is pretty astonishing and diffult to imagine. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 15th, 2024 at 4:19pm
The Scottish clanspeople, particularly in the highlands, had very low literacy rates, so much of clan history is known via oral traditions - similar to tribal peoples around the world.
Also similar to Australian Aboriginals, the Scottish clans were removed from their traditional lands. From the mid-18th to the mid-19th centuries, they were rounded up and exiled from Scotland to places like Canada (e.g. Nova Scotia), the United States, Australia, and New Zealand. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 15th, 2024 at 4:59pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 4:19pm:
Not to mention that their kings and nobles in the middle ages were from Africa already. So now many Aborigines are played by whites. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Gnads on Dec 15th, 2024 at 5:24pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:26pm:
You haven't shown diddlysquat. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Gnads on Dec 15th, 2024 at 5:27pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 24th, 2023 at 5:02pm:
Historical photos show what "real Aborigines" were. 250years of watering down .. & everyones an Aboriginal if it suits the purpose. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Gnads on Dec 15th, 2024 at 5:29pm mothra wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 9:30am:
Palm Island gets council supplied rubbish removal. https://www.palmcouncil.qld.gov.au/ |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Gnads on Dec 15th, 2024 at 5:34pm John Smith wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 9:31am:
They have their own Council to provide services. You & Mothballs talk through your city slicker arses. Quote:
https://www.palmcouncil.qld.gov.au/services Idiots |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 15th, 2024 at 6:05pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 4:19pm:
... and now they are being rounded up by these governments and herded off national parks and other areas to suit the New Lairds who reckon they own it all and need to preserve their spiritual retreats and their hunting lodges, and charge people to come there... I've said it before - my ancestors all came here to get away from the filth that constitutes Europe and its 'upper classes' with their selfish rot - now their descendants are being handed the same short on a different day. Takes a while, but I see some are beginning to see what I was talking about with the Enclosures... now Enclosures Acts 2024, Australian Version..... got the message? Huge swathes of land being closed off to suit ten people who may not be the originals anyway and who never even go there these days but reckon they own it all.... nobody owns all the land they wander over... ridiculous nonsense. D'ye hear 'em? D'ye hear the pipes callin'? The Civil War is approaching.... |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 15th, 2024 at 7:56pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 24th, 2023 at 5:02pm:
You sound more and more like a moron. Why IS that, Bbwian? Why are you a moron? You are supposed to be more educated than most here, by your own reckoning. Yet you are stupider than a pebble. Not even a rock. Why? You are really here for your daily dose of humiliation and degradation. That is all you are getting here - pissed and dumped on. What do you love about that? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:28am
Ja, Brofessor Brian - ve haf checked zer shape off der tongue und der shapes off der shext cavity, und it iss clear zat der Aporigine iss NOD off der zame calibre ass der Human!!
Christ, Brian - this is like arguing with transgender 'activists' who reckon other people are Nazis for wanting laws to stop chopping off kids like the Nazis did.. oooh - you bigoted, christian, republican Nazi, you..... We hear the same madness vomited out by people here as if they live in Amurika and everything is black and white.... and you 'take an extreme side' on everything and everything the 'other side' even mentions is racist, bigoted, oppressive, punching down on the (whatever) feller.... etc... You've all had your heads too long in the television set.... ![]() |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:13am Brian Ross wrote on Aug 24th, 2023 at 5:02pm: Given he wrote the post on 24 August 2023... Why drag it up a year later? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:25am
Righting historical wrongs is risky business in terms of desired outcomes.
If the desired outcome is to return the descendants of the historically injured to a former 'whole' state - i.e. as if the wrongs were never committed - then, of course, it will be a failure - like sending newly freed American slaves back in the general direction of where their enslaved ancestors came from was. However, ethnic/cultural historical grievances can endure for generations, as seen with the Irish, the Scottish, the Catalans, the Basques, etc. So, what to do? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 16th, 2024 at 11:01am MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:25am:
And when the desired outcome is to restore a people to a historical whole state... Israel - the creation of the Jewish state - as an answer to 2000+ years of European persecution - has led to resentment that will likely persist for another 2000 years. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 16th, 2024 at 7:07pm
I'm Indigenous - and so is my dog!
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 16th, 2024 at 7:35pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 7:07pm:
I am aborighine and so is my wife. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 16th, 2024 at 7:35pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 7:07pm:
I am aborighine and so is my wife. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 16th, 2024 at 7:39pm
Every man is another man's Aborigine at some time .... history is filled with Aborigines of all kinds...
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Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 16th, 2024 at 7:41pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 11:01am:
Had the Muslims not ever existed and not conquered the Eastern Roman Empire, the European powers would have restored the Jews to their homeland without all this bloody hooey from the Muslims, THEMSELVES intruders and conquerers in the Levant. WHY don't Muslims withdraw from ALL the occupied lands, from North Africa and the Middle East, back to Araby where they belong??? |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 16th, 2024 at 8:05pm
If the sky was green and grass was blue, would clouds be red and moonlight too?
For over 700 years, Christians did not allow Jews to return to Palestine... before Islam existed. There's no reason to believe that Christians would ever have allowed Jews to return to Israel. Even after 1945, there was little support for the creation of Israel from Europe and the Allies. It was foisted on them by the thousands of Jewish Holocaust survivors and American Jews returning there anyway. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:25pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 8:05pm:
Nonsense. Most Jews in Israel were for Europe to start with, then from Arab countries that expelled them after 48 Europe had a long history of now tolerating, now expelling Jews. When expelled in that long history, they were invariably taken in by other Europeans. In one sense Israel IS a European project. But then most of the modern world, including the near East, is a European creation. As are the New Worlds of the Americas and Australia. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:45pm
If Islam did not exist, the Arab people would still exist.
There is no reason to believe that if they were displaced from the region now known as Israel they would be any less resistant to the creation of a new state for a foreign - and nevermind non-Semitic - people on their land. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:53pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:45pm:
They wouldn't have spent the last 1400 years with taking over Christian and Jewish real estate for Allah. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:56pm
Jews were not usually just expelled from a country. They were often mass murdered, with the survivors being forced on marches to another region during which many died.
Even Martin Luther recommended that Jews not only be expelled from German states, they should not be given food, water, shelter, nor any quarter, on their way out. Kristallnacht was perpetrated on the anniversary of Luther's birthday as his 'birthday present'. Simon Wiesenthal had a calendar naming regions on every day of the year when a pogrom, expulsion or mass murder of Jews occurred somewhere in Europe since their arrival 2000 years ago. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:58pm
Europeans spent thousands of years fighting each other. Why would Arabs not fight Europeans anyway... regardless of Islam?
The Roman Catholic Church clergy and Orthodox Church clergy will physically attack each other to this day over managing the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Frank on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:58pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:58pm:
They didnt before Islam. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:05pm
The Romans fought the Gauls, the Britons, the eastern regions for hundreds of years before it was Christianised.
Catholics and Protestants fought each other for over 300 years. The Viking raids, the Seven Years' War, the Thirty Years' War, the Franco-Prussian War WW2... too many to count, did not involve Islam. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Jasin on Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:37pm
Europe stole religion from Judaism in the Middle-East.
Mohommedism was created to get it back. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:34am Jasin wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:37pm:
Most of Europe was forced to adopt Christianity as their religion some 1000 to 1500 years ago. Before that, many pre-Christian religions existed throughout all of Europe. Christianity stole a lot of ideas from the pagan religions of the region. Paganism is making a bit of a return to Europe, in the wake of the failure of Christianity to deal with the influx of Islam and other non-Christian religious migrants. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:37am MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:05pm:
World War 2 did involve Muslims. Pakistan soldiers fought for the British Empire. After WW2 ended, there was an influx of Pakistan migrants to take up the positions of workers to fill the void left by a lack of men to work in the factories, etc. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:42am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 7:39pm:
My daughter knows that she has some indigenous Australian ancestry. But she does not refer to herself as indigenous Australian. Just Australian. She does not want to be labelled as part of an ethnicity. A lot of indigenous people are shaking off the trend of trying to identify as indigenous Australian. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:56am UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:34am:
Kinda reminds you of the torchlight parades, don' it. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by MeisterEckhart on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:50am UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:37am:
That would be amazing! Pakistan was created in 1947. There were Indian soldiers, who were also Muslim, who fought as part of British Imperial forces, as other regions of the Empire did. Islam did not figure in the war as a cause or exacerbating factor. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 17th, 2024 at 2:20pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:50am:
I know Pakistan (East and West) was not an entity until 1947. When India fought for the British, it included people from many backgrounds. The British owe the Indians a lot in terms of fighters in a major war. Had the Indians (including Muslims) not fought in WW2, the war might well not have gone in the Allies' favour. I would be pretty sure that Islam would have factored into the willingness of the soldiers going to die for a cause. |
Title: Re: Who IS Aboriginal, who IS indigenous Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 20th, 2024 at 9:10pm
You see this 'indigenous' thing is very simple - being indigenous means, according to the vox populi - that you are born here..... being Indigenous is merely another way of saying Aboriginal... merely a courtesy and meaning nothing special - we have apparently grades of people born here.... now that's interesting for any discussion of Equality, innit?
Now let's 'unpack' this Aboriginal thing.... Argh aye - the dusky blokes and such here when Civilisation arrived... for good or bad... how would you like to be one o' them Brazilian Aborigines hunted down etc? |
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