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Message started by whiteknight on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:48pm

Title: No War Without A Vote Of Parliament
Post by whiteknight on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:48pm
NO WAR WITHOUT A VOTE OF THE PARLIAMENT   :( 
2023-08-08
greens.org.au
Today, the government has responded to the report by the Parliamentary Inquiry Into Conflict Decision Making by affirming its decision to refuse giving the parliament a vote, thus ensuring that Australians can be dragged into more illegal wars at the whims of the United States.   :(   

Quotes attributed to Senator Jordon Steele-John, Greens spokesperson for Peace and Foreign Affairs:

“The Government's response to the War Powers inquiry is proof that the Albanese government is refusing to embrace meaningful reform of Australia's archaic and unaccountable process for going to war.”

“No other democracy in the world has an executive government that holds such unilateral power to send troops to war.”

“The Labor party took a promise to the election to conduct a fair inquiry into how Australia goes to war. The Defence Minister and Foreign Minister have spent the past two years doing everything in their power to unwind that promise; including stating their opposition to meaningful reform before the inquiry’s completion.

“We have seen over and over that the mechanism for sending Australians to war lacks accountability and results in significant human disaster. Hundreds of thousands have died, millions have been displaced, and, to this day, ADF personnel find themselves in overseas conflicts that were never subject to debate, vote, or scrutiny.”

“Today ADF personnel are still deployed to conflict zones globally without any meaningful engagement done with the Australian people or the parliament about why they are there, the contribution to national interest or the flow on effects these conflicts have.”

“The proposed changes by the government leave our Australian community vulnerable to the whims of the United States. The decision to go to war should be a vote of the Australian Parliament. When Australians get dragged into the next war the Australian Labor party should spare us their feigned outrage because the truth is they had the opportunity to stop it and didn’t, the blood will be on their hands.”

-Ends-

Title: Re: No War Without A Vote Of Parliament
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:51pm
Thanks sir Crook,
we in Australia do what the Deep State in the USA tells us to do.

Albo, ScoMo - all puppets of the USA.

Title: Re: No War Without A Vote Of Parliament
Post by Belgarion on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:59pm
While there is some truth to the argument about ill considered decisions to get involved in conflicts, the problem with putting such decisions to parliament is the time that will be wasted when time is critical.

Title: Re: No War Without A Vote Of Parliament
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9th, 2023 at 3:00pm


Title: Re: No War Without A Vote Of Parliament
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9th, 2023 at 3:01pm

Belgarion wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:59pm:
While there is some truth to the argument about ill considered decisions to get involved in conflicts, the problem with putting such decisions to parliament is the time that will be wasted when time is critical.



What decisions to go to war in the last 100 years
could not have waited one day for a vote in parliament?

Title: Re: No War Without A Vote Of Parliament
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9th, 2023 at 3:14pm
The article is here:

https://greens.org.au/news/media-release/no-war-without-vote-parliament

Title: Re: No War Without A Vote Of Parliament
Post by Bias_2012 on Aug 9th, 2023 at 3:34pm
If we stop voting for the Libs and Labs, the problem will be solved, along with many other problems

They're past their use-by date, we need to put them out to pasture





Title: Re: No War Without A Vote Of Parliament
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9th, 2023 at 3:47pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 3:34pm:
If we stop voting for the Libs and Labs, the problem will be solved, along with many other problems

They're past their use-by date, we need to put them out to pasture



My friends and I always vote for independents but
either the Libs or the Labs always get back in power.    :(

Title: Re: No War Without A Vote Of Parliament
Post by Belgarion on Aug 10th, 2023 at 9:09am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 3:01pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:59pm:
While there is some truth to the argument about ill considered decisions to get involved in conflicts, the problem with putting such decisions to parliament is the time that will be wasted when time is critical.



What decisions to go to war in the last 100 years
could not have waited one day for a vote in parliament?


But it will not be only a day. You can bet the Greens for example would do everything they can to delay a decision, and they would not be the only ones. Also, there are some warlike operations that need to be executed with no warning or publicity, which could not happen if parliament had to debate every time.

Title: Re: No War Without A Vote Of Parliament
Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Aug 10th, 2023 at 2:36pm

Belgarion wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 9:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 3:01pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:59pm:
While there is some truth to the argument about ill considered decisions to get involved in conflicts, the problem with putting such decisions to parliament is the time that will be wasted when time is critical.



What decisions to go to war in the last 100 years
could not have waited one day for a vote in parliament?


But it will not be only a day. You can bet the Greens for example would do everything they can to delay a decision, and they would not be the only ones. Also, there are some warlike operations that need to be executed with no warning or publicity, which could not happen if parliament had to debate every time.


Maybe not but STARTING or starting to participate in a war should be debated

Spot

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