Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year on Indigenous programs. Is that correct? - Bullshit it seems...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Tony Abbott says the NIAA disburses $30b a year on Indigenous programs. Is that correct? - Bullshit it seems...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

2015-2016 FYE $33.4 billion was spent on Aboriginal peoples.

That the NIAA had another $4.5 billion in it's budget last year goes on top of what was allocated for the same year..... & it certainly would have increased  on that $33.4 billion since 2015/16.

Warren Mundine said similar but not attributing it to the NIAA.

What's that straw like in your hand? ;D

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-500-000-indigenous-people-in-australia-64658

Oh, well - that $20m+ a day I came up with instead of $100m a day doesn't include state etc cash .... it's only $20m a day - just a Powerball win.... every day.

Meanwhile, hospitals, ambulance services, police, housing, homelessness ... you name it ... could use $20m a day plus state cash.

Steven segal wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 7:09pm:

I'm a full blood aboriginal, not some pretender like this pale face Brian Ross and I think he should stay out of my mobs business. ABORIGINAL PRIDE

Well said.

I add the proviso that this is the internet and we don't really know who and what anyone is.  I, of course, am a transgender sex neutral billionaire astronaut and am circling the earth as we discuss these things down there... man - what a view.... you get my drift?

I'm really an old bastard (and very conscientious about it) with lots of views and a functioning mind.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, where is Segal's comment?  I have never claimed to be an Indigenous Australian.  Where is the proof of his claim?  Perhaps Mr. Segal should show us some token to prove his claim about his Indigenousness?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 9:43pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, where is Segal's comment?  I have never claimed to be an Indigenous Australian.  Where is the proof of his claim?  Perhaps Mr. Segal should show us some token to prove his claim about his Indigenousness?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

What prof would you accept, Bbwian?

What proof of Aboriginality is acceptable?

What happened to the Aboriginal grandmother or whatever?

I have reviewed this FactCheck. Mundine was right on the figure of $30 billion; total direct expenditure on services for Indigenous Australians in 2012-13 was estimated to be $30.3 billion, as detailed on page one of the Productivity Commission’s 2014 report. Based on the 2011 Census, the Indigenous population was approximately 550,000 people, with most living in urban areas. Researcher Sara Hudson’s August 2016 report, published by the Centre for Independent Studies, outlines the continued waste and duplication of government funding as raised by Mundine. – Dennis Foley
https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-500-000-indigenous-people-in-australia-64658



NIAA
The National Indigenous Australians Agency was established by an Executive Order signed by the Governor-General on 29 May 2019.

The Executive Order gives the NIAA a number of functions, including:

to lead and coordinate Commonwealth policy development, program design and implementation and service delivery for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
to provide advice to the Prime Minister and the Minister for Indigenous Australians on whole-of-government priorities for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
to lead and coordinate the development and implementation of Australia’s Closing the Gap targets in partnership with Indigenous Australians; and
to lead Commonwealth activities to promote reconciliation.
https://www.niaa.gov.au/who-we-are/the-agency

Abbott is right. (As is Mundine.)
But if he's wrong - what **** is the NIAA doing?? WHO leads and coordinates the expenditure on Abos? And who is ACCOUNTABLE for all that expenditure if not the NIAA???

Frank wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 10:44pm:

I have reviewed this FactCheck. Mundine was right on the figure of $30 billion; total direct expenditure on services for Indigenous Australians in 2012-13 was estimated to be $30.3 billion, as detailed on page one of the Productivity Commission’s 2014 report. Based on the 2011 Census, the Indigenous population was approximately 550,000 people, with most living in urban areas. Researcher Sara Hudson’s August 2016 report, published by the Centre for Independent Studies, outlines the continued waste and duplication of government funding as raised by Mundine. – Dennis Foley https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-500-000-indigenous-people-in-australia-64658 NIAA The National Indigenous Australians Agency was established by an Executive Order signed by the Governor-General on 29 May 2019. The Executive Order gives the NIAA a number of functions, including: to lead and coordinate Commonwealth policy development, program design and implementation and service delivery for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples; to provide advice to the Prime Minister and the Minister for Indigenous Australians on whole-of-government priorities for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples; to lead and coordinate the development and implementation of Australia’s Closing the Gap targets in partnership with Indigenous Australians; and to lead Commonwealth activities to promote reconciliation. https://www.niaa.gov.au/who-we-are/the-agency Abbott is right. (As is Mundine.) But if he's wrong - what **** is the NIAA doing?? WHO leads and coordinates the expenditure on Abos? And who is ACCOUNTABLE for all that expenditure if not the NIAA???

Who provides advice to the Prime Minister and Minister for Aboriginal Affairs?

Tony Who ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCEunGYVPSA

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/6924/ZAppQd.jpg

Boris wrote on Jul 29^th, 2023 at 7:37am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCEunGYVPSA

Look like dat fullah 'im get dat spear in da leg.... 'cohol tek away 'im pain...

Boris wrote on Jul 29^th, 2023 at 7:37am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCEunGYVPSA

Just how many time are you going to post this
Boris?  Once is enough to let us know what an
ignorant, racist arsehole you are mate!

     https://i.postimg.cc/4nC0ypLc/Screenshot-2023-07-29-at-23-52-47-91-CTy-MMUTCL-AC-UF894-1000-QL80-jpg-JPEG-Image-894-850-pixels.png

     As if we needed any further convincing.      >:(

Frank wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 10:44pm:

I have reviewed this FactCheck. Mundine was right on the figure of $30 billion; total direct expenditure on services for Indigenous Australians in 2012-13 was estimated to be $30.3 billion, as detailed on page one of the Productivity Commission’s 2014 report. Based on the 2011 Census, the Indigenous population was approximately 550,000 people, with most living in urban areas. Researcher Sara Hudson’s August 2016 report, published by the Centre for Independent Studies, outlines the continued waste and duplication of government funding as raised by Mundine. – Dennis Foley https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-500-000-indigenous-people-in-australia-64658 NIAA The National Indigenous Australians Agency was established by an Executive Order signed by the Governor-General on 29 May 2019. The Executive Order gives the NIAA a number of functions, including: to lead and coordinate Commonwealth policy development, program design and implementation and service delivery for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples; to provide advice to the Prime Minister and the Minister for Indigenous Australians on whole-of-government priorities for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples; to lead and coordinate the development and implementation of Australia’s Closing the Gap targets in partnership with Indigenous Australians; and to lead Commonwealth activities to promote reconciliation. https://www.niaa.gov.au/who-we-are/the-agency Abbott is right. (As is Mundine.) But if he's wrong - what **** is the NIAA doing?? WHO leads and coordinates the expenditure on Abos? And who is ACCOUNTABLE for all that expenditure if not the NIAA???

The NIAA has been audited & has been found wanting in certain areas..... especially relating risk management & accountability against fraud in disbursement of funding.

It was said to be "not fit fit for purpose".


Quote:

The objective of the audit was to assess the effectiveness of the NIAA’s management of provider fraud and non-compliance risks. Key findings: The NIAA’s management of provider fraud and non-compliance risks is partly effective. The NIAA’s frameworks for managing provider fraud and non-compliance are [highlight]not fully fit-for-purpose.[/highlight] There is a risk management framework and a risk-based conceptual approach for managing provider fraud and non-compliance risks. The frameworks for managing fraud and provider non-compliance do not fully comply with legislation or the NIAA’s internal policies. Elements of the provider fraud and non-compliance framework, such as the underlying policies and procedures, are not always aligned. There are weaknesses in the design and implementation of governance and assurance mechanisms. The NIAA’s arrangements for the prevention, detection and referral of potential provider fraud and non-compliance are partly effective. Prevention is not consistently or sufficiently considered in grant design and planning, and training is out of date. Detection relies primarily on complaints being raised and arrangements to deal with complaints are appropriate. Proactive detection controls are not sufficiently implemented. Referral and escalation arrangements exist, however these require greater clarity.

https://apo.org.au/node/322916

On that very place I was almost killed in a street fight

I told a guy it was a Non-Smoking area and he attacked me and almost killed me.

On the other side of that wall is the Woolies where that riot was.

This is the NT - Darwin - and it is dangerous

And if you love these people so much - you can move there to be with them.

Your post is just abuse - typical of a mental defective.

You are a sick and evil person

You are an ignorant fool

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/3847/ICkw7v.png

Gnads wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 7:33am:

Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 10:44pm: I have reviewed this FactCheck. Mundine was right on the figure of $30 billion; total direct expenditure on services for Indigenous Australians in 2012-13 was estimated to be $30.3 billion, as detailed on page one of the Productivity Commission’s 2014 report. Based on the 2011 Census, the Indigenous population was approximately 550,000 people, with most living in urban areas. Researcher Sara Hudson’s August 2016 report, published by the Centre for Independent Studies, outlines the continued waste and duplication of government funding as raised by Mundine. – Dennis Foley https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-500-000-indigenous-people-in-australia-64658 NIAA The National Indigenous Australians Agency was established by an Executive Order signed by the Governor-General on 29 May 2019. The Executive Order gives the NIAA a number of functions, including: to lead and coordinate Commonwealth policy development, program design and implementation and service delivery for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples; to provide advice to the Prime Minister and the Minister for Indigenous Australians on whole-of-government priorities for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples; to lead and coordinate the development and implementation of Australia’s Closing the Gap targets in partnership with Indigenous Australians; and to lead Commonwealth activities to promote reconciliation. https://www.niaa.gov.au/who-we-are/the-agency Abbott is right. (As is Mundine.) But if he's wrong - what **** is the NIAA doing?? WHO leads and coordinates the expenditure on Abos? And who is ACCOUNTABLE for all that expenditure if not the NIAA??? The NIAA has been audited & has been found wanting in certain areas..... especially relating risk management & accountability against fraud in disbursement of funding. It was said to be "not fit fit for purpose". Quote: The objective of the audit was to assess the effectiveness of the NIAA’s management of provider fraud and non-compliance risks. Key findings: The NIAA’s management of provider fraud and non-compliance risks is partly effective. The NIAA’s frameworks for managing provider fraud and non-compliance are [highlight]not fully fit-for-purpose.[/highlight] There is a risk management framework and a risk-based conceptual approach for managing provider fraud and non-compliance risks. The frameworks for managing fraud and provider non-compliance do not fully comply with legislation or the NIAA’s internal policies. Elements of the provider fraud and non-compliance framework, such as the underlying policies and procedures, are not always aligned. There are weaknesses in the design and implementation of governance and assurance mechanisms. The NIAA’s arrangements for the prevention, detection and referral of potential provider fraud and non-compliance are partly effective. Prevention is not consistently or sufficiently considered in grant design and planning, and training is out of date. Detection relies primarily on complaints being raised and arrangements to deal with complaints are appropriate. Proactive detection controls are not sufficiently implemented. Referral and escalation arrangements exist, however these require greater clarity. https://apo.org.au/node/322916

Inexplicably, you don't read about this in the Grauniad or the ABC or the New Daily or the New Left Foghorn.  Tsk, tsk  ::) ::)
Bbwianesque.




Clannish, tribal mentality, preferencing kin, will always and inevitably lead to corruption.
The real surprise would be if it didn't.

Boris wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 7:42am:

On that very place I was almost killed in a street fight I told a guy it was a Non-Smoking area and he attacked me and almost killed me...

How's it possible for one bloke to fabricate so
much bullshit AND post it on a public forum?       :D

Is there anything Boris hasn't seen or done,
heard of or been the victim of?

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 1:53am:

Boris wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 7:42am: On that very place I was almost killed in a street fight I told a guy it was a Non-Smoking area and he attacked me and almost killed me... How's it possible for one bloke to fabricate so much bullshit AND post it on a public forum?       :D Is there anything Boris hasn't seen or done, heard of or been the victim of?

You, Brian, Aussie, and a few other social justice warriors must live in a very non-indigenous neighbourhood. Or you stay home a lot and never get to witness the carry-ons of indigenous Australians.

Imagine for a second that you are indigenous. Given that you have the "race card" to play whilst you are in Australia, the thought of giving a white person a bashing for telling you what not to do would give you no second thought of carrying out the act. And what are the police going to do? Give you a ride to the station, put you in lock up, have you front a magistrate one of the week days -- which you would likely mouth off to with impunity -- and then get a slap on the wrist by the magistrate. You would probably get a high five and some Seppo-style complicated handshake from your mob as you exit the court house through the front door.

I frickin' swear you guys have lived a very sheltered life.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 2:53am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31st, 2023 at 1:53am: Boris wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 7:42am: On that very place I was almost killed in a street fight I told a guy it was a Non-Smoking area and he attacked me and almost killed me... How's it possible for one bloke to fabricate so much bullshit AND post it on a public forum?       :D Is there anything Boris hasn't seen or done, heard of or been the victim of? You, Brian, Aussie, and a few other social justice warriors must live in a very non-indigenous neighbourhood. Or you stay home a lot and never get to witness the carry-ons of indigenous Australians...

LOL... I actually live near an Aboriginal settlement, and
often talk to the blokes when they come into town
to do a bit of shopping or banking or whatever.  I also
lived and worked in the Pilbara, in mining, so I've seen
a fair few of the local Aboriginals and their often drunken
street fights (which are ultimately harmless to the local
white population anyway).

Anyway...

The point I was making was not about any particular
traits of Aboriginals, but more about the crap that
Boris posts here every day... like he was "almost
killed" by an Aboriginal FFS.  I really think he lives
in some sort of internalised fantasy world LOL.

BTW, what have you got against social justice?
Don't you believe in a fair and equitable division of
resources, opportunities, and privileges in society?

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 3:17am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 31st, 2023 at 2:53am: AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31st, 2023 at 1:53am: Boris wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 7:42am: On that very place I was almost killed in a street fight I told a guy it was a Non-Smoking area and he attacked me and almost killed me... How's it possible for one bloke to fabricate so much bullshit AND post it on a public forum?       :D Is there anything Boris hasn't seen or done, heard of or been the victim of? You, Brian, Aussie, and a few other social justice warriors must live in a very non-indigenous neighbourhood. Or you stay home a lot and never get to witness the carry-ons of indigenous Australians... LOL... I actually live near an Aboriginal settlement, and often talk to the blokes when they come into town to do a bit of shopping or banking or whatever.  I also lived and worked in the Pilbara, in mining, so I've seen a fair few of the local Aboriginals and their often drunken street fights (which are ultimately harmless to the local white population anyway). Anyway... The point I was making was not about any particular traits of Aboriginals, but more about the crap that Boris posts here every day... like he was "almost killed" by an Aboriginal FFS.  I really think he lives in some sort of internalised fantasy world LOL. BTW, what have you got against social justice? Don't you believe in a fair and equitable division of resources, opportunities, and privileges in society?

The crime statistics in the NT are off the scale compared to the rest of Aust.

You wouldn't understand what I am talking about because you are a fool.

The Homicide rate for Australia is less than 1 person (0.9) per 100,000 people.

In the NT it is 8 per 100,000 people and in Tenant Creek it is 45 per 100,000 people.

But being basically stupid you would not understand reality.

Alice Springs was at one stage the stabbing capital of the world - but as a fool you would not understand.

I was a first responder and witnessed horror while you masturbated.

If you see the spear fights like I have - I posted videos of some - they are all well fed and healthy and not impoverished - they are well cared for and get everything they want when they want - but are just violent - so that is on them to fix not the government and taxpayer.

But as a total fool you would not understand that

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 1:53am:

Boris wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 7:42am: On that very place I was almost killed in a street fight I told a guy it was a Non-Smoking area and he attacked me and almost killed me... How's it possible for one bloke to fabricate so much bullshit AND post it on a public forum?       :D Is there anything Boris hasn't seen or done, heard of or been the victim of?

How many years did you live in the NT and work for the Health Department

How many?

I saw horror as do the NT Cops

You merely play with your plonker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKKoO5QyvLE&t=132s

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 2:31pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/3847/ICkw7v.png

You either do not know the truth or don't care

either way you are a Narcissist

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 3:17am:

BTW, what have you got against social justice? Don't you believe in a fair and equitable division of resources, opportunities, and privileges in society?

I dont. These words - social justice and equity - have been so debauched and deformed by lefty agitators and activist over the decades that they have become shibboleths of the progressive agenda.

Justice is a fine concept but it means different things across history and places. Now, however, it is appropriated by the left.

So no, I do not believe in the lefty concepts of social justice and the lefty concept of equity. Just as I di not 'believe' the homosexual appropriation of 'gay' or the the other lefty-monopolised shibboleths of diversity, inclusion and the rest of the soft tyrannies of the Left.

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 3:17am:

LOL... I actually live near an Aboriginal settlement, and often talk to the blokes when they come into town to do a bit of shopping or banking or whatever.  I also lived and worked in the Pilbara, in mining, so I've seen a fair few of the local Aboriginals and their often drunken street fights (which are ultimately harmless to the local white population anyway).

I live 170km away from 1000 residents of an indigenous community. And that is still too close. They like to drive to town to pick up a few things, too. Among them are fights with the locals. And the police have instructions to turn a blind eye, unless there is considerable problems.


Quote:

Anyway... The point I was making was not about any particular traits of Aboriginals, but more about the crap that Boris posts here every day... like he was "almost killed" by an Aboriginal FFS.  I really think he lives in some sort of internalised fantasy world LOL. BTW, what have you got against social justice? Don't you believe in a fair and equitable division of resources, opportunities, and privileges in society?

I have also almost been killed by an indigenous person. Have you ever had an axe held to your throat? Imagine that the only reason why I am still alive is because a police officer got word of the threat and reacted in time to save me.

I have no problem with social justice. But, let us be real here: If non-indigenous people hit back at indigenous people at the same rate that indigenous people strike out at non-indigenous people, there would be no indigenous people left, or they would be running scared.

Or if indigenous people got the same share of resources, fairness, and opportunities that non-indigenous people have, then indigenous people would have higher rates of unemployment, more poverty, higher infant mortality rates, a higher prison percentage, and would have had the worst reputation in the entire world for being blatant racists.

Trying to overcompensate and excusing indigenous people is just spoiling them.

Well - where's my defined group's $30Bn?  anyway - I thought the "$100M a day" 0r $36.5Bn a year partly went to defence and other stuff.... what?  As levies direct on the Aboriginal community after they get their cut first?

The productivity commission - at least one lie in there - said so in its defence of $100m a day!

Boris wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 7:16am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 2:31pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/3847/ICkw7v.png You either do not know the truth or don't care either way you are a Narcissist

What is it Narcissists do, Matty?  They belittle people at every turn.  What do we see you doing?  Belittling people at every turn.  Tsk, tsk, tsk, you are so quick to belittle anybody who dares to question you or your antics.  Such a silly Narcissist you, Matty.   ::) ::)

My name is not Matty

All you ever do is invalidate every single word I say

You do that because you hate people with a different opinion and you are a Narcissist

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/3847/ICkw7v.png

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 9:55pm:

Boris wrote on Jul 31st, 2023 at 7:16am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 2:31pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/3847/ICkw7v.png You either do not know the truth or don't care either way you are a Narcissist What is it Narcissists do, Matty?  They belittle people at every turn.  What do we see you doing?  Belittling people at every turn.  Tsk, tsk, tsk, you are so quick to belittle anybody who dares to question you or your antics.  Such a silly Narcissist you, Matty.   ::) ::)

You alone fill the gap in the fertiliser market due to the Ukraine war, Bbwian.  You are a one man fertiliser factory, cockwomble.  You think shite, talk shite.

Boris wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 10:35pm:

All you ever do is invalidate every single word I say...

That's in all likelihood because nearly every claim
you post here is simply bullshit and/or the result
of an overactive imagination.

You never post any first-hand, viable evidence in
order to support the claims you make about Aboriginals
other than third-party hearsay, rumours or bygone
historical records.

And when your opinions are challenged, rather than
defend them rationally, with convincing evidence, you
simply resort to personal insults and character assassination.

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 3:17am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 31st, 2023 at 2:53am: AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31st, 2023 at 1:53am: Boris wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 7:42am: On that very place I was almost killed in a street fight I told a guy it was a Non-Smoking area and he attacked me and almost killed me... How's it possible for one bloke to fabricate so much bullshit AND post it on a public forum?       :D Is there anything Boris hasn't seen or done, heard of or been the victim of? You, Brian, Aussie, and a few other social justice warriors must live in a very non-indigenous neighbourhood. Or you stay home a lot and never get to witness the carry-ons of indigenous Australians... LOL... I actually live near an Aboriginal settlement, and often talk to the blokes when they come into town to do a bit of shopping or banking or whatever.  I also lived and worked in the Pilbara, in mining, so I've seen a fair few of the local Aboriginals and their often drunken street fights ([highlight]which are ultimately harmless to the local white population anyway). [/highlight] Anyway... The point I was making was not about any particular traits of Aboriginals, but more about the crap that Boris posts here every day... like he was "almost killed" by an Aboriginal FFS.  I really think he lives in some sort of internalised fantasy world LOL. BTW, what have you got against social justice? Don't you believe in a fair and equitable division of resources, opportunities, and privileges in society?

In Victoria?  ;D

As for the "Pilbara" - good generalisation. ;D

The Pilbara is a big place.

I've got mates who work in Port Hedland & Newman now .... & I can tell you that your description about Aboriginals & or their fighting not affecting "white" people there is bullshyte.

That's why when one chap decided to move his wife over to Hedland & bought a house years ago he had an 8 ft fence & 2 rottweiler dogs.

He & many others sold up & came back home when "fly in fly out" was made an option.

I was surprised to see this topic still active, I was thinking who could possibly give a toss about anything that Abbott had to say.

Then I checked it and found to my relief that were were about 3 posts about what Abbott said and then dozens to bash Aboriginal people and each other.

Carry on .

Dnarever wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 10:37am:

I was surprised to see this topic still active, I was thinking who could possibly give a toss about anything that Abbott had to say. Then I checked it and found to my relief that were were about 3 posts about what Abbott said and then dozens to bash Aboriginal people and each other. Carry on .

Let's up that tally, then.  Here you go, Jemima, enjoy.

https://youtu.be/pHAWWyVQj5M


https://youtu.be/jUaa0ZyJY7E

Worth studying, as the poet Aqua says.

And that's how Frank interprets that.

Well - does NIAA disburse $30+ Bn a year or not?

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:29am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 10:37am: I was surprised to see this topic still active, I was thinking who could possibly give a toss about anything that Abbott had to say. Then I checked it and found to my relief that were were about 3 posts about what Abbott said and then dozens to bash Aboriginal people and each other. Carry on . Let's up that tally, then.  Here you go, Jemima, enjoy. https://youtu.be/pHAWWyVQj5M https://youtu.be/jUaa0ZyJY7E Worth studying, as the poet Aqua says.

Na - that garbage doesn't count. Why would you care if it's 3 or 4 anyway.

Hmm - saying that 48% yes means 52% no is specious... some wouldn't know their arsehole from their breakfast hole... clearly in that 52% there are a portion of 'don't know' ....

Still - even 50% evens means a referendum is highly unlikely to gain a majority of voters in a majority of states.  You need to start a lot higher than that.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:54am:

Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 11:29am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 10:37am: I was surprised to see this topic still active, I was thinking who could possibly give a toss about anything that Abbott had to say. Then I checked it and found to my relief that were were about 3 posts about what Abbott said and then dozens to bash Aboriginal people and each other. Carry on . Let's up that tally, then.  Here you go, Jemima, enjoy. https://youtu.be/pHAWWyVQj5M https://youtu.be/jUaa0ZyJY7E Worth studying, as the poet Aqua says. Na - that garbage doesn't count. Why would you care if it's 3 or 4 anyway.

We are not talking about peas, Jemima.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:38am:

Well - does NIAA disburse $30+ Bn a year or not?

Verdict
Warren Mundine’s statement uses the most accurate and up-to-date estimate of government spending on Indigenous Australians – about $30.3 billion, according to the Productivity Commission.

However, only a small proportion of the overall Indigenous expenditure is on Indigenous-specific programs. The rest comprises the cost of providing mainstream services, such as schooling and health care, that all Australians enjoy.

His figure of 500,000 Indigenous Australians is a bit low, likely reflecting reasonably common uncertainty on this question (as well as him being on the spot on a fast-paced, live TV program).

The general point about needing “to find out where the wastage of our funding is” is important, and requires careful evaluation of the impact and cost-effectiveness of Indigenous-specific and other social programs. – Nicholas Biddle.



Review
I have reviewed this FactCheck. Mundine was right on the figure of $30 billion; total direct[/size expenditure on services for Indigenous Australians in 2012-13 was estimated to be $30.3 billion, as detailed on page one of the Productivity Commission’s 2014 report. Based on the 2011 Census, the Indigenous population was approximately 550,000 people, with most living in urban areas. Researcher Sara Hudson’s August 2016 report, published by the Centre for Independent Studies, outlines the continued waste and duplication of government funding as raised by Mundine. – Dennis Foley.

While it’s true Warren Mundine used the most up-to-date figures, his quote didn’t quite convey the full story. It didn’t get across the fact that only a really small chunk of the overall Indigenous spending is on Indigenous-specific programs. Most is on mainstream programs.

As the article notes, Productivity Commission estimates that only $5.6 billion or 18.6% of the $30 billion Mundine refers to is provided through Indigenous-specific or targeted services. The Productivity Commission does not examine how much of this $5.6 billion actually goes to Indigenous organisations within community or Indigenous peoples themselves – and how much is spent on government businesses.

Warren Mundine’s broader point that current spending is not yielding results needs further attention. The government’s Closing the Gap targets are nowhere near being met, and in some cases, widening, suggesting that these programs are, by and large, failing. Policy logic underpinning spending should be examined. – Elise Klein
https://cass.anu.edu.au/news/factcheck-qa-30-billion-spent-every-year-500000-indigenous-people-australia#:~:text=Verdict,according%20to%20the%20Productivity%20Commission


Indigineous expenditure report by thd Productivity Commission
https://www.pc.gov.au/ongoing/indigenous-expenditure-report

2017 report:

The Australian Government accounted for $14.7 billion (43.9 per cent) of direct Indigenous expenditure in 2015‑16, a real increase of $2.2 billion (17.5 per cent) from 2008‑09. The remaining $18.8 billion (56.1 per cent) was provided by State and Territory governments, a real increase of $4.3 billion (29.7 per cent) from 2008‑09.
https://www.pc.gov.au/ongoing/indigenous-expenditure-report/2017

Soooo.....  what's  $14.7 billion plus $18.8 billion??  Er....$33.5 billion

"Productivity Commission estimates that only $5.6 billion or 18.6% of the $30 billion"

That's why I cut it down to a mere $20m a day.... ONLY $20m a day.... forty odd homes built.... hospital beds... improvements to ambulance services.... roads, rail, everything else ... all gone into 'administrative costs' meaning the pockets of the insiders and their range rovers etc and huge salaries and perks - and buggar all getting to ground zero where the wild Aborigine kids grow... and pillage Alice and other places...

Have I related to you lately about North Eastern NSW - home of Mt Warning?  Hundreds of cars stolen, burnt and wrecked... break-ins out of control, sheds and garages and such of people seeking to impose control being burned, mysterious fires everywhere including the Summer of Bushfires where one was clearly caught on camera trying to set light to a phone tower (???) ... vandalism of cars at Mt Warning... no-go zones after dark and increasingly during the day... kids out of control and not attending school and then wailing about disadvantage..... crime rates out of control .....

It isn't only The Alice that is suffering.... BTW - that up there is Brenton Tarrant country .... some true loonies up that way.