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Message started by AusGeoff on Jun 27th, 2023 at 3:51am

Title: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by AusGeoff on Jun 27th, 2023 at 3:51am

How can it be that this arsewipe is not in jail, or at the
least held on remand?  In simple terms, he's guilty of
manslaughter.  What socially responsible judge would
grant him bail? 

https://www.9news.com.au/national/matthew-john-livingston-court-updates-mothers-grief-after-toddler-killed-in-crash-victoria/46283620-4ac1-46ef-b350-1eb03dfdd29f

Livingston applied his brakes only 0.9 seconds before 
he rear-ended the car in front of him, while his 43-
tonne truck was travelling at 86 km/h in a 40 km/h
roadworks zone.

               

I'm really sick of seeing soft-cock judges stupidly accept these
slimebag defence lawyers' fabricated excuses for their client's
antisocial, killer behaviour.

—Looking at the bloke, I wouldn't trust him with a bloody library book!

             >:(

Title: Re: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by Lisa Jones on Jun 27th, 2023 at 10:43am
OMG!!! From your link 👆

It was meant to be the start of an exciting new chapter in Simon Peckitt and Felicity Stewart's lives but instead their worlds were torn apart.
The couple and their two young daughters had spent the weekend house-hunting in central Victoria after deciding on a tree-change.

But as the family drove back to Melbourne on the Calder Freeway on December 6, 2021, a 43-tonne semitrailer crashed into the back of their Volkswagen.

Two-year-old Harriett, seated in the back seat, was killed instantly.

"She had the world in front of her," Stewart told the County Court.

"She was such a kind soul and brought so much joy to her parents, her sister and her wider family.

It's terribly unfair that her life was cut so terribly short."

The driver of the semitrailer, Matthew John Livingston, on Monday pleaded guilty to culpable driving causing Harriett's death.


Title: Re: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by Lisa Jones on Jun 27th, 2023 at 10:47am
He also admitted negligent driving causing serious injury to Peckitt and Stewart, as well as endangering 10 other people in the vicinity of the crash.

The court was told in the 400m before the crash site, there were several signs telling drivers to slow to 40km/h because of roadworks.

Livingston didn't hit the brakes until 0.91 seconds before the collision, striking the almost stationary Volkswagen at 86km/h.

The semitrailer then veered to the right, hitting a Toyota Hilux which rolled and trapped another driver for about two hours.

Three other cars were struck either by the Volkswagen or the Hilux, while several other motorists were forced to move their cars off the road to avoid being hit.

Felicity Stewart had to be airlifted to hospital where she spent several months undergoing treatment for a catastrophic brain injury and other fractures.


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Title: Re: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by Bias_2012 on Jun 27th, 2023 at 12:02pm
For how long do you think his drivers license should be suspended for? ... your answer will indicate how guilty you think he is

Here's another complete moron who should lose his license forever, watch video ...

https://www.9news.com.au/national/sydney-driving-court-old-northern-road-glenorie/4181483b-3470-4de1-ae36-b7fe54fa2c87


Title: Re: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by Captain Caveman on Jun 27th, 2023 at 3:13pm
25yrs jail and never to hold a licence for anything again.
Your life should be so difficult to live that you cannot get social security either.
Wipe our hands of the prick.
Like the old days, banished to the wastelands.

Title: Re: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by Lisa Jones on Jun 27th, 2023 at 4:59pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 27th, 2023 at 3:13pm:
25yrs jail and never to hold a licence for anything again.
Your life should be so difficult to live that you cannot get social security either.
Wipe our hands of the prick.
Like the old days, banished to the wastelands.


25 yrs free bed and breakfast on the tax payer is a very    generous offer too.

Title: Re: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by The Grappler on Jun 27th, 2023 at 6:06pm
How is inappropriate Victorian jurisprudence news?

Title: Re: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by Captain Caveman on Jun 27th, 2023 at 9:12pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 27th, 2023 at 4:59pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 27th, 2023 at 3:13pm:
25yrs jail and never to hold a licence for anything again.
Your life should be so difficult to live that you cannot get social security either.
Wipe our hands of the prick.
Like the old days, banished to the wastelands.


25 yrs free bed and breakfast on the tax payer is a very    generous offer too.



I'd happily pull the lever on the gallows, however we're not allowed to do that anymore.
So we have to send them to free bed and breakfast.
It does come with the inherent risk of being broken every day.
Child killers have a hard time in there.

Title: Re: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by AusGeoff on Jun 28th, 2023 at 4:04am
It's hard to predict his sentence under easy-going
Victorian laws, but as a guess I'd say 8 years, eligible
for parole in four or five years maybe.

Of course, it should be for life, with no chance of parole.


Title: Re: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by aquascoot on Jun 28th, 2023 at 5:39am
Accidents due happen
Falling asleep at the wheel is not an evil ACT

I would come down with harsher sentences on youth in stolen cars who are deliberately speeding
I would also come down harder on people affected by drugs and alcohol

You would also want to look at his driving record

Any of us could probably fall asleep at the wheel
And 25 years is way too high

I would think a better sentence would be 2 years
And then perhaps to repay some karma
He could donate 20% off his wage in future years to a trust fund for the family

Title: Re: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by freediver on Jun 28th, 2023 at 5:58am
I've nearly had this happen to me before, approaching roadworks. It was going down to one lane, and everyone was merging early for some reason. I was about to merge. Luckily there was already a gap opened up in the other lane. I had to swerve into it because a truck came up behind me at about 80 km/h. Not sure if the driver was half asleep, or just wanted to jump to the front of the queue.

Title: Re: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by Lisa Jones on Jun 28th, 2023 at 8:23am

freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 5:58am:
I've nearly had this happen to me before, approaching roadworks. It was going down to one lane, and everyone was merging early for some reason. I was about to merge. Luckily there was already a gap opened up in the other lane. I had to swerve into it because a truck came up behind me at about 80 km/h. Not sure if the driver was half asleep, or just wanted to jump to the front of the queue.


Here in Sydney everyone’s idea of “normal” is rushing around like they’re an hr late to get somewhere. Our motorways can and do function like racing car tracks at times 😩

What I do to cope with the ridiculous and congested traffic is essentially this: I allow space btwn myself and whatever is in front AND where possible...try and avoid buses and trucks. These are huge transport vehicles and as such probably can’t stop as easily so I need to factor that into my calculations for a safe trip.

I also try and avoid going anywhere near ute drivers, taxi cab drivers and Volvo drivers. Why? For whatever reason these drivers are hell bent on causing mayhem and/or accidents wherever they go.

I’ve been told many times that I’m a very good and a very safe driver. I believe my exemplary driving record exists mainly because I stay away from idiots. That and the fact that I’m not interested in NOR do I have time for ANY type of road accident.

Ultimately it’s the responsibility of ensuring the safety of the passengers inside the car I’m driving that weighs most heavily on my conscience. I take that responsibility very seriously. So defensive driving is my go to method (as outlined above).




Title: Re: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by AusGeoff on Jun 30th, 2023 at 4:39pm
Truck driver Matthew Livingston was today handed a
12-and-a-half year prison sentence for a string of
driving charges, with prosecutors alleging he drifted
in and out of sleep in the lead-up to the crash.  He
was travelling at 86 km/h when he rear-ended the
first of six vehicles whilst in the 40 km/h construction
zone.

Livingston was also handed thousands of dollars in
fines for lesser charges related to professional
obligations as a heavy-vehicle driver, including for
missing required breaks.

Prosecutors previously said the driver had pulled 16-
hour days behind the wheel in the days prior to the
crash, and falsified logbooks.  An expert said the
crash was "very likely" to have been caused by sleep
deprivation.

Laughably, the soft-cock judge "conceded Livingston
was a decent man".  After destroying a whole family's 
lives?       I don't think so.      He's a total arsewipe.

The 44-year-old will be eligible for parole at the end
of 2031.  So effectively a mere EIGHT years for such
a bastard of a crime.     I hope the DPP appeals this
manifestly inadequate sentence.

Side note:  What did I say earlier?  "but as a guess I'd say 8 years".


Title: Re: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by AusGeoff on Jul 1st, 2023 at 11:02am

aquascoot wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 5:39am:
Accidents due happen...

I agree; it's inevitable with millions of road kilometres
being traversed every day by heavy and high speed vehicles.

But this was NOT an accident;  it was an act of gross
negligence, plus the intentional breaking of two road
laws—an absence of mandatory rest breaks, and the
systematic falsifying of a log book.


aquascoot wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 5:39am:
Falling asleep at the wheel is not an evil ACT

Don't be silly mate.   Of course it was an act of "evil".
Livingston broke three laws, two of them with the
intent to commit a criminal act.

Intent precludes accidental.


aquascoot wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 5:39am:
Any of us could probably fall asleep at the wheel...

You may well (apparently, as you suggest) but in 58
years of driving I've never fallen asleep, nor have I
ever rear-ended someone when travelling at forty-six
km/h over the speed limit.     Nor have I ever killed
anybody on the roads.  It's an absurd position for you
to attempt to diminish the degree of Livingston's
culpability.


aquascoot wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 5:39am:
I would think a better sentence would be 2 years...

Well in that case, your thinking is faulty.



Title: Re: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by Lisa Jones on Jul 1st, 2023 at 11:15am

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 30th, 2023 at 4:39pm:
Truck driver Matthew Livingston was today handed a
12-and-a-half year prison sentence for a string of
driving charges, with prosecutors alleging he drifted
in and out of sleep in the lead-up to the crash.  He
was travelling at 86 km/h when he rear-ended the
first of six vehicles whilst in the 40 km/h construction
zone.

Livingston was also handed thousands of dollars in
fines for lesser charges related to professional
obligations as a heavy-vehicle driver, including for
missing required breaks.

Prosecutors previously said the driver had pulled 16-
hour days behind the wheel in the days prior to the
crash, and falsified logbooks.  An expert said the
crash was "very likely" to have been caused by sleep
deprivation.

Laughably, the soft-cock judge "conceded Livingston
was a decent man".  After destroying a whole family's 
lives?       I don't think so.      He's a total arsewipe.

The 44-year-old will be eligible for parole at the end
of 2031.  So effectively a mere EIGHT years for such
a bastard of a crime.     I hope the DPP appeals this
manifestly inadequate sentence.

Side note:  What did I say earlier?  "but as a guess I'd say 8 years".


Yep and you were correct too.

I personally thought the sentence was lenient. I anticipated/hoped the judge would have considered making an example of this incident by making the jail sentence a minimum of 10 years ALONG with a disqualification from driving ANY type of truck for life. Upon release he would need to get a new type of job. He’s clearly not fit to be a truck driver.

Title: Re: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by AusGeoff on Jul 1st, 2023 at 1:48pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 11:15am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 30th, 2023 at 4:39pm:
Truck driver Matthew Livingston was today handed a
12-and-a-half year prison sentence for a string of
driving charges, with prosecutors alleging he drifted
in and out of sleep in the lead-up to the crash.  He
was travelling at 86 km/h when he rear-ended the
first of six vehicles whilst in the 40 km/h construction
zone.

Livingston was also handed thousands of dollars in
fines for lesser charges related to professional
obligations as a heavy-vehicle driver, including for
missing required breaks.

Prosecutors previously said the driver had pulled 16-
hour days behind the wheel in the days prior to the
crash, and falsified logbooks.  An expert said the
crash was "very likely" to have been caused by sleep
deprivation.

Laughably, the soft-cock judge "conceded Livingston
was a decent man".  After destroying a whole family's 
lives?       I don't think so.      He's a total arsewipe.

The 44-year-old will be eligible for parole at the end
of 2031.  So effectively a mere EIGHT years for such
a bastard of a crime.     I hope the DPP appeals this
manifestly inadequate sentence.

Side note:  What did I say earlier?  "but as a guess I'd say 8 years".


Yep and you were correct too.

I personally thought the sentence was lenient. I anticipated/hoped the judge would have considered making an example of this incident by making the jail sentence a minimum of 10 years ALONG with a disqualification from driving ANY type of truck for life. Upon release he would need to get a new type of job. He’s clearly not fit to be a truck driver.


I agree.  A longer sentence would send a much
stronger message to other heavy vehicle drivers
as a deterrent to breaking the rules about rest stops
and falsifying log books.

This incident leaves me wondering for how many
years Livingston had been driving for 16 hours
straight, and cooking the books.  He well may've been
pushing his luck as a driver for years—an accident
just waiting to happen.   

How then could the judge describe him as "a decent
man"?     How could he know that?



Title: Re: Grossly Inappropriate Victorian Jurisprudence?
Post by aquascoot on Jul 3rd, 2023 at 1:59pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 1:48pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 11:15am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 30th, 2023 at 4:39pm:
Truck driver Matthew Livingston was today handed a
12-and-a-half year prison sentence for a string of
driving charges, with prosecutors alleging he drifted
in and out of sleep in the lead-up to the crash.  He
was travelling at 86 km/h when he rear-ended the
first of six vehicles whilst in the 40 km/h construction
zone.

Livingston was also handed thousands of dollars in
fines for lesser charges related to professional
obligations as a heavy-vehicle driver, including for
missing required breaks.

Prosecutors previously said the driver had pulled 16-
hour days behind the wheel in the days prior to the
crash, and falsified logbooks.  An expert said the
crash was "very likely" to have been caused by sleep
deprivation.

Laughably, the soft-cock judge "conceded Livingston
was a decent man".  After destroying a whole family's 
lives?       I don't think so.      He's a total arsewipe.

The 44-year-old will be eligible for parole at the end
of 2031.  So effectively a mere EIGHT years for such
a bastard of a crime.     I hope the DPP appeals this
manifestly inadequate sentence.

Side note:  What did I say earlier?  "but as a guess I'd say 8 years".


Yep and you were correct too.

I personally thought the sentence was lenient. I anticipated/hoped the judge would have considered making an example of this incident by making the jail sentence a minimum of 10 years ALONG with a disqualification from driving ANY type of truck for life. Upon release he would need to get a new type of job. He’s clearly not fit to be a truck driver.


I agree.  A longer sentence would send a much
stronger message to other heavy vehicle drivers
as a deterrent to breaking the rules about rest stops
and falsifying log books.

This incident leaves me wondering for how many
years Livingston had been driving for 16 hours
straight, and cooking the books.  He well may've been
pushing his luck as a driver for years—an accident
just waiting to happen.   

How then could the judge describe him as "a decent
man"?     How could he know that?



maybe if some of the bludgers got off their asses and gave him a hand , he wouldnt have to drive 16 hrs straight.



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