Just in case many didn’t know…..A few countries have recently dropped the required mandate to be c-vaxxed for entry.
Bali, France, Thailand, USA, New Zealand to name a few.
Won’t be long before the rest follow suite.

All that effort, lockdown, masks, distancing, sanitising, restrictions in so many ways…. all for what?
Hopefully Covid will just become milder. Because it sure as hell didn’t go away despite all above names restrictions.

I'm sure world senior medicos never believed that restrictions were going to disappear the virus.

Their strategy would have been in aid of buying time until a 'miracle cure' was developed.

Given it's more probable than not that covid was developed in and leaked from a lab, in 2020 there was the possibility that a vaccine had been developed to counter the spread.

My requirement for my practical requires me to be triple vaccinated. I do not see the reason why migrants and visitors should not be up to standard in being healthy before arriving in Australia.

Sophia wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 10:02am:

Just in case many didn’t know…..A few countries have recently dropped the required mandate to be c-vaxxed for entry

Come on, Sophia.

You can do it.

Just say the word...... COVID.

Oh, well... at least you didn't say  'more-vaxxed'.

https://twitter.com/DALupton/status/1669851841860100096


Quote:

Canberra Health Services FB post today - warning people about respiratory illnesses, ‘cold, flus and more’. Oh yes, what could this ‘more’ possibly be? Why not mention COVID? There are plenty of cases in the ACT right now

Might have to change the name from Covid to Voldemort.

"The-Illness-That-Must-Not-Be-Named"

But 'Voldemort-vaxxed' or 'v-vaxxed' doesn't quite sound right to me.

:)

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Mind you, I have to agree with Hamish here:

https://twitter.com/GHCuthbertson/status/1669884215062851585


Quote:

Strictly speaking C19 isn't a winter illness, it's an any time of the year illness... Mention of it is being suppressed, people are self censoring, I noticed this on a work Teams meeting where they were talking about cold & flu season, stay home if sick, but C19 - not a word.

Sure seems like that lately.

Carl D wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 2:28pm:

Sophia wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 10:02am: Just in case many didn’t know…..A few countries have recently dropped the required mandate to be c-vaxxed for entry Come on, Sophia. You can do it. Just say the word...... COVID. Oh, well... at least you didn't say  'more-vaxxed'. https://twitter.com/DALupton/status/1669851841860100096 Quote: Canberra Health Services FB post today - warning people about respiratory illnesses, ‘cold, flus and more’. Oh yes, what could this ‘more’ possibly be? Why not mention COVID? There are plenty of cases in the ACT right now Might have to change the name from Covid to Voldemort. "The-Illness-That-Must-Not-Be-Named" But 'Voldemort-vaxxed' or 'v-vaxxed' doesn't quite sound right to me. :)

better still call it convid ;)

Carl D wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 2:28pm:

Sophia wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 10:02am: Just in case many didn’t know…..A few countries have recently dropped the required mandate to be c-vaxxed for entry Come on, Sophia. You can do it. Just say the word...... COVID. Oh, well... at least you didn't say  'more-vaxxed'. https://twitter.com/DALupton/status/1669851841860100096 Quote: Canberra Health Services FB post today - warning people about respiratory illnesses, ‘cold, flus and more’. Oh yes, what could this ‘more’ possibly be? Why not mention COVID? There are plenty of cases in the ACT right now Might have to change the name from Covid to Voldemort. "The-Illness-That-Must-Not-Be-Named" But 'Voldemort-vaxxed' or 'v-vaxxed' doesn't quite sound right to me. :)

What irks me is this… I type the word COVID and look at that! It comes up in capitals every time  ::)
Is it just my iPhone that does that? Or such credence given to that one word that has to be capitalised… like some corporate importance?

But I do like Voldemort-vaxxed  :)

Carl D wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 2:52pm:

Mind you, I have to agree with Hamish here: https://twitter.com/GHCuthbertson/status/1669884215062851585 Quote: Strictly speaking C19 isn't a winter illness, it's an any time of the year illness... Mention of it is being suppressed, people are self censoring, I noticed this on a work Teams meeting where they were talking about cold & flu season, stay home if sick, but C19 - not a word. Sure seems like that lately.

It’s definitely not a winter flu as I got it early January last year.
But these other winter flu surges are most likely just the regular flu and not Covid hence why it may not be mentioned. And there are quite a few folk I know with sniffles, cold, flu but “rat” shows negative.

Two members in here have/had colds/flu (aka Lisa and Bobby) and have done “rat” to show it’s not Covid.
But Xavier did test positive for Covid.

So when one has flu like symptoms… it might be Covid or it might not.
Probably best to say it’s not Covid (as in saying nothing at all)  until tests confirm it otherwise.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 1:02pm:

My requirement for my practical requires me to be triple vaccinated. I do not see the reason why migrants and visitors should not be up to standard in being healthy before arriving in Australia.

Then…there is that … hypocrisy…. Some work areas want triple jabbed workers yet most of the world is opening up and leaving the mandates to die a natural death.

It’s crazy and how can they enforce mandates when it’s supposed to be voluntary?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 10:25am:

I'm sure world senior medicos never believed that restrictions were going to disappear the virus. Their strategy would have been in aid of buying time until a 'miracle cure' was developed. Given it's more probable than not that covid was developed in and leaked from a lab, in 2020 there was the possibility that a vaccine had been developed to counter the spread.

And what they would know …. is that any virus will spread when elderly people are locked up together and not allowed outside. Was the worst thing to do… no matter what the stupid name of any virus is.
Family members wanted to take their elder out of those age care and keep them safer at home. But not allowed! Not even allowed to visit. Look at how many died in that locked in environment  >:(

Whether or not one is triple vaccinated a Covid infection can happen. A vaccinated person can still spread Covid.

In fact, vaccinated people might be less risk averse because they believe they are protected and therefore be less strict in following preventive measures and therefore increase their risk of infection.

"We found at the time that studies showed a vaccinated person was less likely to spread the virus, but the risk wasn’t zero. We rated Biden’s statement Half True. That was before the omicron variant was named a variant of concern by the World Health Organization."

Sophia wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 6:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 10:25am: I'm sure world senior medicos never believed that restrictions were going to disappear the virus. Their strategy would have been in aid of buying time until a 'miracle cure' was developed. Given it's more probable than not that covid was developed in and leaked from a lab, in 2020 there was the possibility that a vaccine had been developed to counter the spread. And what they would know …. is that any virus will spread when elderly people are locked up together and not allowed outside. Was the worst thing to do… no matter what the stupid name of any virus is. Family members wanted to take their elder out of those age care and keep them safer at home. But not allowed! Not even allowed to visit. Look at how many died in that locked in environment  >:(

The New York Governor Andrew Cuomo sent covid patients from hospital into nursing homes. Cuomo was a God like cult figure to those with TDS.

The Great Barrington Declaration epidemiologists were 100% right in saying we need to protect the elderly from covid.

The worst thing to do was force people to stay inside. Being outside in the sun and was was the safest place. UV kills covid wind disperses it.

With the way most Governments mismanaged covid we're lucky it wasn't super deadly.

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MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 10:25am:

Given it's more probable than not that covid was developed in and leaked from a lab, in 2020 there was the possibility that a vaccine had been developed to counter the spread.

The first 3 cases all worked on coronaviruses at Wuhan lab.

I believe that was accidental there are some who say Omicron was deliberate release because it's 90% less deadly to achieve herd immunity due to failure of vaccine.I am still on the fence with Omicron being deliberate release.

Sophia wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

What irks me is this… I type the word COVID and look at that! It comes up in capitals every time  ::) Is it just my iPhone that does that? Or such credence given to that one word that has to be capitalised… like some corporate importance?

Too easy...

COVID is an acronym for "coronavirus disease".

You're welcome.      ;)

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 12:20am:

Sophia wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 6:31pm: What irks me is this… I type the word COVID and look at that! It comes up in capitals every time  ::) Is it just my iPhone that does that? Or such credence given to that one word that has to be capitalised… like some corporate importance? Too easy... COVID is an acronym for "coronavirus disease". You're welcome.      ;)

I didn’t think of checking it up as an acronym as capitals.
Well there we go, I will just call it corona from now on and avoid them annoying capitals  :)

Sophia wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 1:16am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 12:20am: Sophia wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 6:31pm: What irks me is this… I type the word COVID and look at that! It comes up in capitals every time  ::) Is it just my iPhone that does that? Or such credence given to that one word that has to be capitalised… like some corporate importance? Too easy... COVID is an acronym for "coronavirus disease". You're welcome.      ;) I didn’t think of checking it up as an acronym as capitals. Well there we go, I will just call it corona from now on and avoid them annoying capitals  :)

It is strange recently that.....

I notice that the media are now printing some multi-decade old acronyms as proper nouns, led I believe by
people texting on devices that only capitalise the initial letter.

Csiro, Anzac, Nasa, Qantas, etc.

I call this laziness.      >:(

     But then I'm an old fart LOL.

Sophia wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 10:02am:

All that effort, lockdown, masks, distancing, sanitising, restrictions in so many ways…. all for what? Hopefully Covid will just become milder. Because it sure as hell didn’t go away despite all above names restrictions.

The 'plan' was that once the majority of the population were vaccinated we needed to open up even if some people may die "but it will be way smaller than with the flu". Which it wasn't (and still isn't), of course.

Current estimates are that Covid is up to 50 times more deadly than the flu.

We had to open up because Virgin, Qantas and Flight Centre, etc. were losing too much money and big business and our governments had decided Covid had 'gone on for long enough' and it was time for people to die for the economy.

A "vaccines only and let it rip" approach which was doomed to failure after the Delta and Omicron (with it's 1,000+ and counting sub variants) Covid variants appeared... and our governments couldn't say they didn't know this would happen because they saw the same thing happen in the US, the UK and other places around the world.

This is also why there is complete silence from the pollies regarding Covid and the horrific death toll so far - if they acknowleged the deaths and offered condolences to the families it would be an admission that they have failed in their approach to (not) dealing with Covid and they would then be required to do something about it.

But, the longer they pretend that Covid doesn't exist anymore or it's no longer "exceptional" and can be treated "just like any other respiratory illness" the worse things are going to be for them once the majority of the population wake up to the fact they've been 'played' and their health (and lives for many) have been sacrificed for the economy.

And I still say that's the main reason why the "rats" are gradually deserting the sinking (Covid) ship - Jacinda Ardern, Mark McGowan, Brett Sutton and the latest rumour is that Dan Andrews might be next to retire from politics due to "tiredness".

They know what's coming and they're getting out while they still can.

Not that it will save them in the (hopefully) not too distant future when they're all held to account - that includes the Prime Minister (present and previous) and all State Premiers plus their Health Officers and Ministers for the Covid deaths and Long Covid injuries, etc.

I look forward to that day.

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 1:59am:

Sophia wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 1:16am: AusGeoff wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 12:20am: Sophia wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 6:31pm: What irks me is this… I type the word COVID and look at that! It comes up in capitals every time  ::) Is it just my iPhone that does that? Or such credence given to that one word that has to be capitalised… like some corporate importance? Too easy... COVID is an acronym for "coronavirus disease". You're welcome.      ;) I didn’t think of checking it up as an acronym as capitals. Well there we go, I will just call it corona from now on and avoid them annoying capitals  :) It is strange recently that..... I notice that the media are now printing some multi-decade old acronyms as proper nouns, led I believe by people texting on devices that only capitalise the initial letter. Csiro, Anzac, Nasa, Qantas, etc. I call this laziness.      >:(      But then I'm an old fart LOL.

Laziness and ignorance.

Many young people (including journalists) wouldn't be aware that ANZAC or indeed QANTAS are acronyms.

Sadly, many of them wouldn't even know what an acronym is.

And the even younger ones are worse: there are kids now who think that "Lol" is a real word.

If you ask them what it stands for, they give you a blank stare - they have no idea that it's an acronym for "laugh out loud".

Carl D wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 10:06am:

We had to open up because Virgin, Qantas and Flight Centre, etc. were losing too much money and big business and our governments had decided Covid had 'gone on for long enough' and it was time for people to die for the economy.

Yep.  Nailed it, unfortunately.


Carl D wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 10:06am:

And I still say that's the main reason why the "rats" are gradually deserting the sinking (Covid) ship - Jacinda Ardern, Mark McGowan, Brett Sutton and the latest rumour is that Dan Andrews might be next to retire from politics due to "tiredness".

Bingo!  That's exactly what I thought when Ardern and McGowan resigned - they know what's coming.

Actually, speaking of Covid vaccines.

Next time I go to our local chemist I'm going to ask if my elderly aunt and I will be able to get another one in August.

Our last one (5th) was on February 21st - we both had them done on the same day - and the government "Top Up Your Protection" (with a COVID-19 booster) ads on TV say that you're eligible for a booster if it's been 6 months since your last COVID-19 vaccination or infection.

So, if we both remain Covid free up until August 21st then we should be able to get our 6th. I haven't seen anything that says you can't have any more than 5 Covid vaccinations at this stage.

Might see if we can get the Novavax this time if we're eligible, that's supposed to be the best one available at the moment for all the currently circulating variants.

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 1:59am:

Sophia wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 1:16am: AusGeoff wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 12:20am: Sophia wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 6:31pm: What irks me is this… I type the word COVID and look at that! It comes up in capitals every time  ::) Is it just my iPhone that does that? Or such credence given to that one word that has to be capitalised… like some corporate importance? Too easy... COVID is an acronym for "coronavirus disease". You're welcome.      ;) I didn’t think of checking it up as an acronym as capitals. Well there we go, I will just call it corona from now on and avoid them annoying capitals  :) It is strange recently that..... I notice that the media are now printing some multi-decade old acronyms as proper nouns, led I believe by people texting on devices that only capitalise the initial letter. Csiro, Anzac, Nasa, Qantas, etc. I call this laziness.      >:(      But then I'm an old fart LOL.

It’s interesting about changes to our English dictionary also.
I still habitually say “Kentucky Fried Chicken” but it’s KFC.
Since the advent of going online, computer jargon has been added to the dictionary.
And most of us… regardless of age, would know quite a few of them by now being in the WWW.

Out of interest….I looked up new added words and banished words from dictionary or English language.

New words ….

deepfake, antigram, and groomzilla.
And…

7 New Words Added to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary in...
* ICYMI.
* MacGyver.
* Cringe.
* Adorkable.
* Janky.
* Sus.
* Yeet.

And….

What word was removed from the dictionary 2023?

2023 Banished Words List
* GOAT. The acronym for Greatest of All Time gets the goat of petitioners and judges for overuse, misuse, and uselessness. ...
* Inflection point. ...
* Quiet quitting. ...
* Gaslighting. ...
* Moving forward. ...
* Amazing. ...
* Does that make sense
* Irregardless
* Absolutely
* It is what it is

I’m glad that last one was removed!
But mainly these were removed for annoying overuse.

Carl D wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

I haven't seen anything that says you can't have any more than 5 Covid vaccinations at this stage.

There's no limit on how many you can have, just as long as it's been six months since your last one.

They are just like flu vaccinations now, except you get them every six months rather than every 12 months.

Sophia wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 12:04pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 1:59am: Sophia wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 1:16am: AusGeoff wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 12:20am: Sophia wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 6:31pm: What irks me is this… I type the word COVID and look at that! It comes up in capitals every time  ::) Is it just my iPhone that does that? Or such credence given to that one word that has to be capitalised… like some corporate importance? Too easy... COVID is an acronym for "coronavirus disease". You're welcome.      ;) I didn’t think of checking it up as an acronym as capitals. Well there we go, I will just call it corona from now on and avoid them annoying capitals  :) It is strange recently that..... I notice that the media are now printing some multi-decade old acronyms as proper nouns, led I believe by people texting on devices that only capitalise the initial letter. Csiro, Anzac, Nasa, Qantas, etc. I call this laziness.      >:(      But then I'm an old fart LOL. It’s interesting about changes to our English dictionary also. I still habitually say “Kentucky Fried Chicken” but it’s KFC. Since the advent of going online, computer jargon has been added to the dictionary. And most of us… regardless of age, would know quite a few of them by now being in the WWW. Out of interest….I looked up new added words and banished words from dictionary or English language. New words …. deepfake, antigram, and groomzilla. And… 7 New Words Added to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary in... * ICYMI. * MacGyver. * Cringe. * Adorkable. * Janky. * Sus. * Yeet. And…. What word was removed from the dictionary 2023? 2023 Banished Words List * GOAT. The acronym for Greatest of All Time gets the goat of petitioners and judges for overuse, misuse, and uselessness. ... * Inflection point. ... * Quiet quitting. ... * Gaslighting. ... * Moving forward. ... * Amazing. ... * Does that make sense * Irregardless * Absolutely * It is what it is I’m glad that last one was removed! But mainly these were removed for annoying overuse.

"Moving forward", Grrrrrr  >:(

Whenever I hear someone use that term, I switch off.

Sophia wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 1:02pm: My requirement for my practical requires me to be triple vaccinated. I do not see the reason why migrants and visitors should not be up to standard in being healthy before arriving in Australia. Then…there is that … hypocrisy…. Some work areas want triple jabbed workers yet most of the world is opening up and leaving the mandates to die a natural death. It’s crazy and how can they enforce mandates when it’s supposed to be voluntary?

As others have pointed out, you are more likely to get sick from other patients in a medical setting than other places. If I am going to work around sick patients, I don't want to catch their illness, or to pass on an illness that I barely have symptoms.

Going to restaurants and the cinema, I have had to be at least double vaccinated to enter the buildings. I do feel like we have a real Nanny state situation. The elderly and the immune-compromised should have had to adjust their lives. Not the young and healthy.

Sophia wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 1:16am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 12:20am: Sophia wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 6:31pm: What irks me is this… I type the word COVID and look at that! It comes up in capitals every time  ::) Is it just my iPhone that does that? Or such credence given to that one word that has to be capitalised… like some corporate importance? Too easy... COVID is an acronym for "coronavirus disease". You're welcome.      ;) I didn’t think of checking it up as an acronym as capitals. Well there we go, I will just call it corona from now on and avoid them annoying capitals  :)

When I first heard the name "Covid-19", I had the impression that it stood for "coronavirus December 2019" -- given the general discovery was in December 2019. But, someone corrected me straight away.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 12:08pm:

Sophia wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 12:04pm: AusGeoff wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 1:59am: Sophia wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 1:16am: AusGeoff wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 12:20am: Sophia wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 6:31pm: What irks me is this… I type the word COVID and look at that! It comes up in capitals every time  ::) Is it just my iPhone that does that? Or such credence given to that one word that has to be capitalised… like some corporate importance? Too easy... COVID is an acronym for "coronavirus disease". You're welcome.      ;) I didn’t think of checking it up as an acronym as capitals. Well there we go, I will just call it corona from now on and avoid them annoying capitals  :) It is strange recently that..... I notice that the media are now printing some multi-decade old acronyms as proper nouns, led I believe by people texting on devices that only capitalise the initial letter. Csiro, Anzac, Nasa, Qantas, etc. I call this laziness.      >:(      But then I'm an old fart LOL. It’s interesting about changes to our English dictionary also. I still habitually say “Kentucky Fried Chicken” but it’s KFC. Since the advent of going online, computer jargon has been added to the dictionary. And most of us… regardless of age, would know quite a few of them by now being in the WWW. Out of interest….I looked up new added words and banished words from dictionary or English language. New words …. deepfake, antigram, and groomzilla. And… 7 New Words Added to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary in... * ICYMI. * MacGyver. * Cringe. * Adorkable. * Janky. * Sus. * Yeet. And…. What word was removed from the dictionary 2023? 2023 Banished Words List * GOAT. The acronym for Greatest of All Time gets the goat of petitioners and judges for overuse, misuse, and uselessness. ... * Inflection point. ... * Quiet quitting. ... * Gaslighting. ... * Moving forward. ... * Amazing. ... * Does that make sense * Irregardless * Absolutely * It is what it is I’m glad that last one was removed! But mainly these were removed for annoying overuse. "Moving forward", Grrrrrr  >:( Whenever I hear someone use that term, I switch off.

Oh absolutely! Isn’t it amazing how, irregardless of overuse….the GOAT words/expressions/cliches are an inflection point for needing banishment … does that make sense? I guess it is what it is, and all part of moving forward  :P ;D

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 12:30pm:

Sophia wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 6:44pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 1:02pm: My requirement for my practical requires me to be triple vaccinated. I do not see the reason why migrants and visitors should not be up to standard in being healthy before arriving in Australia. Then…there is that … hypocrisy…. Some work areas want triple jabbed workers yet most of the world is opening up and leaving the mandates to die a natural death. It’s crazy and how can they enforce mandates when it’s supposed to be voluntary? As others have pointed out, you are more likely to get sick from other patients in a medical setting than other places. If I am going to work around sick patients, I don't want to catch their illness, or to pass on an illness that I barely have symptoms. Going to restaurants and the cinema, I have had to be at least double vaccinated to enter the buildings. I do feel like we have a real Nanny state situation. The elderly and the immune-compromised should have had to adjust their lives. Not the young and healthy.

Oh hang on a tic…. Wasn’t there a bit of uproar/protesting regarding how unnecessary it was to corina vax the youth and kiddies? Due to them having a young healthy immune system already?
Don’t go blaming the elder folk… go talk to the powers that be and ask.

Sophia wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 12:46pm:

Oh hang on a tic…. Wasn’t there a bit of uproar/protesting regarding how unnecessary it was to corina vax the youth and kiddies? Due to them having a young healthy immune system already? Don’t go blaming the elder folk… go talk to the powers that be and ask.

People under the age of 16 were not required to get vaccinated for coronavirus. People like me, in my 40s and diabetic, are at risk from complications of coronavirus. The elderly are at an increased risk of complications if they catch coronavirus. It is they who need to stay home and avoid catching that virus. The rest of us should have been allowed to go about our lives as normal. Even if the adjustments we make were to socially distance ourselves and do all the elevated hygiene practices in public.

Carl D wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 10:06am:

Sophia wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 10:02am: All that effort, lockdown, masks, distancing, sanitising, restrictions in so many ways…. all for what? Hopefully Covid will just become milder. Because it sure as hell didn’t go away despite all above names restrictions. The 'plan' was that once the majority of the population were vaccinated we needed to open up even if some people may die "but it will be way smaller than with the flu". Which it wasn't (and still isn't), of course. Current estimates are that Covid is up to 50 times more deadly than the flu. We had to open up because Virgin, Qantas and Flight Centre, etc. were losing too much money and big business and our governments had decided Covid had 'gone on for long enough' and it was time for people to die for the economy. A "vaccines only and let it rip" approach which was doomed to failure after the Delta and Omicron (with it's 1,000+ and counting sub variants) Covid variants appeared... and our governments couldn't say they didn't know this would happen because they saw the same thing happen in the US, the UK and other places around the world. This is also why there is complete silence from the pollies regarding Covid and the horrific death toll so far - if they acknowleged the deaths and offered condolences to the families it would be an admission that they have failed in their approach to (not) dealing with Covid and they would then be required to do something about it. But, the longer they pretend that Covid doesn't exist anymore or it's no longer "exceptional" and can be treated "just like any other respiratory illness" the worse things are going to be for them once the majority of the population wake up to the fact they've been 'played' and their health (and lives for many) have been sacrificed for the economy. And I still say that's the main reason why the "rats" are gradually deserting the sinking (Covid) ship - Jacinda Ardern, Mark McGowan, Brett Sutton and the latest rumour is that Dan Andrews might be next to retire from politics due to "tiredness". They know what's coming and they're getting out while they still can. Not that it will save them in the (hopefully) not too distant future when they're all held to account - that includes the Prime Minister (present and previous) and all State Premiers plus their Health Officers and Ministers for the Covid deaths and Long Covid injuries, etc. I look forward to that day.

50 x more deadly then the flu?

i'm calling BS on that figure

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 1:29pm:

50 x more deadly then the flu? i'm calling BS on that figure

Yeah, I might have to agree with you for once.

OK, let's do the math, shall we?

https://twitter.com/LettersfromTim/status/1669932438846578688


Quote:

National notification data (NNDSS): In the year-to-date, of the 85,986 notifications of laboratory-confirmed influenza, there have been 78 influenza-associated deaths notified to the NNDSS. Versus 4,159 COVID deaths since 1 Jan

78 (Flu deaths) multiplied by 50 equals 3,900 (Covid deaths).

78 (Flu deaths) multipled by 53 equals 4,134 (Covid deaths).

78 (Flu deaths) multiplied by 54 equals 4,212 (Covid deaths).

So, Covid is closer to between 53 and 54 times more deadly than the flu, not 50.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Carl D wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 2:29pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 1:29pm: 50 x more deadly then the flu? i'm calling BS on that figure Yeah, I might have to agree with you for once. OK, let's do the math, shall we? https://twitter.com/LettersfromTim/status/1669932438846578688 Quote: National notification data (NNDSS): In the year-to-date, of the 85,986 notifications of laboratory-confirmed influenza, there have been 78 influenza-associated deaths notified to the NNDSS. Versus 4,159 COVID deaths since 1 Jan 78 (Flu deaths) multiplied by 50 equals 3,900 (Covid deaths). 78 (Flu deaths) multipled by 53 equals 4,134 (Covid deaths). 78 (Flu deaths) multiplied by 54 equals 4,212 (Covid deaths). So, Covid is closer to between 53 and 54 times more deadly than the flu, not 50. Thanks for pointing that out.

doesnt pass the pub test,  try again

Carl D wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 2:29pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 1:29pm: 50 x more deadly then the flu? i'm calling BS on that figure Yeah, I might have to agree with you for once. OK, let's do the math, shall we? https://twitter.com/LettersfromTim/status/1669932438846578688 Quote: National notification data (NNDSS): In the year-to-date, of the 85,986 notifications of laboratory-confirmed influenza, there have been 78 influenza-associated deaths notified to the NNDSS. Versus 4,159 COVID deaths since 1 Jan 78 (Flu deaths) multiplied by 50 equals 3,900 (Covid deaths). 78 (Flu deaths) multipled by 53 equals 4,134 (Covid deaths). 78 (Flu deaths) multiplied by 54 equals 4,212 (Covid deaths). So, Covid is closer to between 53 and 54 times more deadly than the flu, not 50. Thanks for pointing that out.

;D


aqua was right - it isn't 50, it's 53.32   

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 2:57pm:

Carl D wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 2:29pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 1:29pm: 50 x more deadly then the flu? i'm calling BS on that figure Yeah, I might have to agree with you for once. OK, let's do the math, shall we? https://twitter.com/LettersfromTim/status/1669932438846578688 Quote: National notification data (NNDSS): In the year-to-date, of the 85,986 notifications of laboratory-confirmed influenza, there have been 78 influenza-associated deaths notified to the NNDSS. Versus 4,159 COVID deaths since 1 Jan 78 (Flu deaths) multiplied by 50 equals 3,900 (Covid deaths). 78 (Flu deaths) multipled by 53 equals 4,134 (Covid deaths). 78 (Flu deaths) multiplied by 54 equals 4,212 (Covid deaths). So, Covid is closer to between 53 and 54 times more deadly than the flu, not 50. Thanks for pointing that out. ;D aqua was right - it isn't 50, it's 53.32

At-risk populations:
• In the year-to-date, notification rates have been highest in people aged 05–09 years,
followed by those aged 0–04 years and 10–14 years.


influenza targets our most precious population as can be seen.

a baby dying of influenza equates to 80 yrs of valuable life lost and devestated parents.

an 80 yo ( the averge age of someone dying WITH covid) equates to someone finding peace thanks to "the old mans best friend"  and maybe a year or two of lost life (and a blessing in many cases).

doesnt pass the pub test.

the community are way way way more concerned with sick children then old codgers

go down the pub and ask (wear a mask though  ::) ::) ::))

you can get the latest footy score on the eagles whilst you are there and engage with some "real" australians

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 3:43pm:

At-risk populations: • In the year-to-date, notification rates have been highest in people aged 05–09 years, followed by those aged 0–04 years and 10–14 years. influenza targets our most precious population as can be seen. a baby dying of influenza equates to 80 yrs of valuable life lost and devestated parents. an 80 yo ( the averge age of someone dying WITH covid) equates to someone finding peace thanks to "the old mans best friend"  and maybe a year or two of lost life (and a blessing in many cases). doesnt pass the pub test. the community are way way way more concerned with sick children then old codgers go down the pub and ask (wear a mask though  ::) ::) ::)) you can get the latest footy score on the eagles whilst you are there and engage with some "real" australians

Back from the pub so soon?

Looks like you ordered (another) word salad with your beer.  [smiley=beer.gif]

And please stop your obsession with the Eagles. You're just embarrassing yourself but at least I'm getting a good laugh.

I don't bother following the footy but I do know that this year the West Coast Eagles are more hopeless than your hero John "Mr. Science with the permanently constipated look on his face" Gerrard even though I never believed it was possible.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 12:06pm:

Carl D wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 10:57am: I haven't seen anything that says you can't have any more than 5 Covid vaccinations at this stage. There's no limit on how many you can have, just as long as it's been six months since your last one. They are just like flu vaccinations now, except you get them every six months rather than every 12 months.

Thanks Greg.

I wonder if I should ask Sir Nail for his thoughts about getting another Covid vaccination?  :-/

Oh, for Sir Nail... we're talking about this in case you're not sure.

;D

Sophia wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 12:04pm:

What word was removed from the dictionary 2023? 2023 Banished Words List * GOAT. The acronym for Greatest of All Time gets the goat of petitioners and judges for overuse, misuse, and uselessness. ... * Inflection point. ... * Quiet quitting. ... * Gaslighting. ... * Moving forward. ... * Amazing. ... * Does that make sense * Irregardless * Absolutely * It is what it is I’m glad that last one was removed! But mainly these were removed for annoying overuse.

There's no way gaslighting should be removed seeing as it's been in use every day for over a year and a half now by our governments with their BSing (almost) everyone into believing Covid is no longer "exceptional" and should be treated "like any other respiratory illness".

And then proceeding to almost completely ignore it (along with it's ongoing hospitalisations, deaths and long Covid).

I suppose you could consider that "annoying overuse" though.

If it has been removed then I have to say it's a remarkable achievement seeing as Covid is currently 53.32 times more deadly than the flu.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 3:43pm:

...At-risk populations: • In the year-to-date, notification rates have been highest in people aged 05–09 years, followed by those aged 0–04 years and 10–14 years.

Yes:   https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj514mXq8z_AhUWa2wGHWmSBMEQFnoECBAQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.health.gov.au%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2F2023-05%2Faisr-fortnightly-report-no-2-17-april-to-30-april-2023.docx&usg=AOvVaw00IsinJrNTwOWK_RO-AMrG&opi=89978449


aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 3:43pm:

influenza targets our most precious population as can be seen. a baby dying of influenza equates to 80 yrs of valuable life lost and devastated parents.

I'd have to disagree with these two claims.  All
lives are "precious" to the families and friends of
people who succumb to influenza.  It's wrong to
make an attempt to classify one age demographic
as being somehow more "worthy" of living their life
than another.

And I'm sure than any parents of a 20- or 30-year
old child would be just as devastated as the parents
of an infant would be should they die from the flu.   


aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 3:43pm:

an 80 yo ( the average age of someone dying WITH covid) equates to someone finding peace thanks to "the old man's best friend"  and maybe a year or two of lost life (and a blessing in many cases).

Again, I disagree with this.  It marks you as a young
person still imbued with your own smug sense of
immortality.      I'll be 77 in a couple of months, and
your claims of "finding peace" and "the old man's
friend" (pneumonia) being a blessing is—frankly—offensive.


aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 3:43pm:

doesn't pass the pub test.

LOL... so you actually believe the muddled opinions of
a group of drunks in your local pub as some sort of
authoritative source?       Oh dear!


aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 3:43pm:

the community are way way way more concerned with sick children then old codgers...

You reckon?   Where's your evidence?

It's of interest to me that you often denigrate old age
and make out that it's an undesirable stage of life, or
one that shouldn't be supported, or is somehow less
worthy of care and respect.  You've used the term
"old codgers" several time on this forum—which leads
me to ask why are you so afraid of growing old?

—Can I ask how old you are Aqua?    

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 18^th, 2023 at 7:06pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 3:43pm: ...At-risk populations: • In the year-to-date, notification rates have been highest in people aged 05–09 years, followed by those aged 0–04 years and 10–14 years. Yes:   https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj514mXq8z_AhUWa2wGHWmSBMEQFnoECBAQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.health.gov.au%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2F2023-05%2Faisr-fortnightly-report-no-2-17-april-to-30-april-2023.docx&usg=AOvVaw00IsinJrNTwOWK_RO-AMrG&opi=89978449 aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 3:43pm: influenza targets our most precious population as can be seen. a baby dying of influenza equates to 80 yrs of valuable life lost and devastated parents. I'd have to disagree with these two claims.  All lives are "precious" to the families and friends of people who succumb to influenza.  It's wrong to make an attempt to classify one age demographic as being somehow more "worthy" of living their life than another. And I'm sure than any parents of a 20- or 30-year old child would be just as devastated as the parents of an infant would be should they die from the flu.    aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 3:43pm: an 80 yo ( the average age of someone dying WITH covid) equates to someone finding peace thanks to "the old man's best friend"  and maybe a year or two of lost life (and a blessing in many cases). Again, I disagree with this.  It marks you as a young person still imbued with your own smug sense of immortality.      I'll be 77 in a couple of months, and your claims of "finding peace" and "the old man's friend" (pneumonia) being a blessing is—frankly—offensive. aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 3:43pm: doesn't pass the pub test. LOL... so you actually believe the muddled opinions of a group of drunks in your local pub as some sort of authoritative source?       Oh dear! aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 3:43pm: the community are way way way more concerned with sick children then old codgers... You reckon?   Where's your evidence? It's of interest to me that you often denigrate old age and make out that it's an undesirable stage of life, or one that shouldn't be supported, or is somehow less worthy of care and respect.  You've used the term "old codgers" several time on this forum—which leads me to ask why are you so afraid of growing old? —Can I ask how old you are Aqua?

you are , of course, correct

losing a 20 or 30 yr old is just as devestating as losing a child.

as for fear of dying,  i'm not the one masking up and having 5 vaccines.

firstly, i'm still fit enough that i couldnt care 2 hoots about some respiratory virus .

secondly,  if my health was that bad that a chest infection killed me, i would welcome it.

whats the alternative??   slow rotting decay ?

not for me my friend.

and i ahve 6 grandkids so i am not some spring chicken.

i just understand how nature works and meditate on death..you should try it


https://dailystoic.com/14-stoic-quotes-on-death/