I really don’t know what else to say about our police force here in NSW.

Absolutely disgraceful! 😐


6 NSW police officers used 2 sets of handcuffs on a distressed 81-year-old dementia patient

Sun, 21 May 2023, 5:25 pm AEST·

https://au.news.yahoo.com/six-nsw-police-officers-used-072522960.html

NOTE : It’s taken how many years for this incident to finally hit the news???

Six NSW police officials used two sets of handcuffs on a distressed 81-year-old woman battling dementia at her nursing home in Sydney, bodycam footage has revealed.

Rachel Grahame reportedly took a lanyard from a staff member at her Sydney nursing home in October 2020. Bodycam footage of police officials has revealed that the officers surrounded Grahame and handcuffed her late at night at St Basil’s aged care home in Randwick on 31 October 2020.

The crying and howling woman can be seen asking the officials why they are handcuffing her. Visibly in distress, she cries out to one of the officers and calls him a “big brute”.

The family of Grahame later sued the NSW police and the police settled the lawsuit in November 2021.

Now Rachel’s daughter, Emma Grahame has spoken publicly about the distressing incident. In an interview with the Guardian, she said: “It just showed me that the police have learned nothing from the actions that we took against them.”

Her comments come in the wake of revelations that police used a Taser on 95-year-old dementia patient, Clare Nowland in Cooma recently.

What does this prove Lisa?

Lisa Jones wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 7:17am:

I really don’t know what else to say about our police force here in NSW. Absolutely disgraceful! 😐 6 NSW police officers used 2 sets of handcuffs on a distressed 81-year-old dementia patient Sun, 21 May 2023, 5:25 pm AEST· https://au.news.yahoo.com/six-nsw-police-officers-used-072522960.html

When QLD Cops have done the same within the same short time frame as this incident & the Cooma one .....

I might agree with you.

But from where I sit - with underworld corruption infecting the NSW cop force over decades ....

I'd say they're winners by a country mile.

Even including the Fitzgerald enquiry. ;D

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 7:25am:

What does this prove Lisa?

What part of overzealous policing have you missed in both instances?

And the fact the NSWPS were sued & paid out.

Is that not an admission of guilt & something they should have learned from?

Would you think they may have learnt anything from their blundering in the Lindt Cafe siege - from a young abled bodied man with a gun?

What does it prove Gnads?

Gnads wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 7:27am:

Lisa Jones wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 7:17am: I really don’t know what else to say about our police force here in NSW. Absolutely disgraceful! 😐 6 NSW police officers used 2 sets of handcuffs on a distressed 81-year-old dementia patient Sun, 21 May 2023, 5:25 pm AEST· https://au.news.yahoo.com/six-nsw-police-officers-used-072522960.html When QLD Cops have done the same within the same short time frame as this incident & the Cooma one ..... I might agree with you. But from where I sit - with underworld corruption infecting the NSW cop force over decades .... I'd say they're winners by a country mile. Even including the Fitzgerald enquiry. ;D

VicPol have always won the Gold Medal wrt underworld/corrupt infectious diseases. NSW Police only seem to come away with the Silver Medal.

Hi Lisa,
there must be a way that training and testing
can sort the wheat from the chaff with the cops?

They need to simulate stressful situations and see how the trainees react.
They cops must make correct decisions under pressure
or they don't get to wear the badge or
perhaps they are only given a desk job as a clerk?
Some people can even have a high IQ but be hopeless under pressure.

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 7:25am:

What does this prove Lisa?

Please refer to the title of this topic for your answer.

NSW Cops: very good at keeping Rich people honest
                 - but the Poor 'Housos' exploit & are corrupt
VIC Cops: very good at keeping Poor (Bogans) people honest
                 - but the Rich exploit and are corrupt

SA Cops: break the Law and they'll sleep with your wife,
                    daughters, sisters, etc
QLD Cops:  break the Law and you'll have to pay $200 into
                    their personal pockets before you pass GO.

WA Cops: well they're just entirely corrupt whichever way
                    you look at it.
NT Cops:  well they'll just shoot you whichever way you
                    look at it.

....the worst Cops of all are the TASMANIAN COPS.
Break the Law and they'll make you marry into their 6-finger, 6-toe inbred families. Love conquers all.  ;)

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 8:50am:

Hi Lisa, there must be a way that training and testing can sort the wheat from the chaff with the cops? They need to simulate stressful situations and see how the trainees react. The cops must make correct decisions under pressure or they don't get to wear the badge or perhaps they are only given a desk job as a clerk? Some people can even have a high IQ but be hopeless under pressure.

Every state police forcer needs to take note of these incidents because these will ultimately involve negative publicity and a lot of money 💰 to sort out (and I’m not just referring to the costs in conducting a thorough root cause analysis/cover up). Subsequent litigation expenses plus settlements easily mean millions of dollars will be incurred.

The underlying issues (as I see it) are as follows:

Effective and specific training in communicating and negotiating with elderly people ESP those locked in the scary and confusing world of dementia. Such training needs to be conducted ASAP and needs to involve employees within both police AND aged care facilities. Such training must also involve clear reporting guidelines and how to DE ESCALATE confrontations.

Revisiting health and safety protocols by sharing PRO ACTIVE principles so as to align how confrontations are dealt with will empower those who ultimately face situations where a dementia patient is armed for whatever reason.

I’m not professionally trained but even I know this much: You can’t reach an elderly person with dementia who is armed by screaming at them/ordering them. For starters people with dementia freeze and go into panic around loud noises. I’m tired of saying this but it helps to think of babies/toddlers. Do they handle loud noises and screaming? Of course NOT! They get distressed and break down crying not knowing WTF is going on and they need GENTLE reassurance. That means no screaming and no ordering. It HAS to be friendly and NOT loud AND you need to use simple sentences AND smile as friendly as possible because dementia patients READ faces (like babies/toddlers do).

Now the elderly women in these 2 cases involve:

1. A NSW elderly dementia patient armed with a lanyard.

2. An elderly lady in QLD who was holding a steak knife (and I bet it was around lunch or dinner time too).

There is no doubt in my mind that these 2 women honestly didn’t understand what was being ordered of them. And why. Elderly people with dementia are locked in a world where items TODAY hold intrinsic value which belongs to a part of their previous lifestyle. So for example : holding a steak knife would be a normal every day thing for a woman because that’s part and parcel of cooking and that’s probably what the elderly QLD was remembering.  A lanyard may well have been a visual reminder of a Centrelink or Medicare card.

What these confused and frightened sick elderly women DON’T need is this : inept, untrained cops who turn up to exacerbate their fear and confusion by terrorising them.

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 7:34am:

What does it prove Gnads?

You can't read?

Jasin wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 8:51am:

NSW Cops: very good at keeping Rich people honest                  - but the Poor 'Housos' exploit & are corrupt VIC Cops: very good at keeping Poor (Bogans) people honest                  - but the Rich exploit and are corrupt SA Cops: break the Law and they'll sleep with your wife,                     daughters, sisters, etc QLD Cops:  break the Law and you'll have to pay $200 into                     their personal pockets before you pass GO. WA Cops: well they're just entirely corrupt whichever way                     you look at it. NT Cops:  well they'll just shoot you whichever way you                     look at it. ....the worst Cops of all are the TASMANIAN COPS. Break the Law and they'll make you marry into their 6-finger, 6-toe inbred families. Love conquers all.  ;)

What gives you such seriously biased & blanketed view against all Police?

Do you have form in every state?

Gnads wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:40am:

Jasin wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 8:51am: NSW Cops: very good at keeping Rich people honest                  - but the Poor 'Housos' exploit & are corrupt VIC Cops: very good at keeping Poor (Bogans) people honest                  - but the Rich exploit and are corrupt SA Cops: break the Law and they'll sleep with your wife,                     daughters, sisters, etc QLD Cops:  break the Law and you'll have to pay $200 into                     their personal pockets before you pass GO. WA Cops: well they're just entirely corrupt whichever way                     you look at it. NT Cops:  well they'll just shoot you whichever way you                     look at it. ....the worst Cops of all are the TASMANIAN COPS. Break the Law and they'll make you marry into their 6-finger, 6-toe inbred families. Love conquers all.  ;) What gives you such seriously biased & blanketed view against all Police? Do you have form in every state?

OMG I thought it was hilarious!  ;D ;D :)

Lisa Jones wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 8:45am:

Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 7:27am: Lisa Jones wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 7:17am: I really don’t know what else to say about our police force here in NSW. Absolutely disgraceful! 😐 6 NSW police officers used 2 sets of handcuffs on a distressed 81-year-old dementia patient Sun, 21 May 2023, 5:25 pm AEST· https://au.news.yahoo.com/six-nsw-police-officers-used-072522960.html When QLD Cops have done the same within the same short time frame as this incident & the Cooma one ..... I might agree with you. But from where I sit - with underworld corruption infecting the NSW cop force over decades .... I'd say they're winners by a country mile. Even including the Fitzgerald enquiry. ;D VicPol have always won the Gold Medal wrt underworld/corrupt infectious diseases. NSW Police only seem to come away with the Silver Medal.

Dang right re: Vic
Underbelly and all that.
Weird Redback police.
Just who the f… are these? Where did they get imported from ?
Any wonder Vic takes the crown for being more in debt than the whole of NSW and Qld together  >:(
Yep, we’re leading the way in all shyster avenues.
$10 million per day accrued interest only on our debt here!
Not happy Jan.
I always thought NSW would lead… but no…HanDan has outdone ya’all….Qld is still too backwards to take corrupt lead!  ;D

Sophia wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 8:45am: Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 7:27am: Lisa Jones wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 7:17am: I really don’t know what else to say about our police force here in NSW. Absolutely disgraceful! 😐 6 NSW police officers used 2 sets of handcuffs on a distressed 81-year-old dementia patient Sun, 21 May 2023, 5:25 pm AEST· https://au.news.yahoo.com/six-nsw-police-officers-used-072522960.html When QLD Cops have done the same within the same short time frame as this incident & the Cooma one ..... I might agree with you. But from where I sit - with underworld corruption infecting the NSW cop force over decades .... I'd say they're winners by a country mile. Even including the Fitzgerald enquiry. ;D VicPol have always won the Gold Medal wrt underworld/corrupt infectious diseases. NSW Police only seem to come away with the Silver Medal. Dang right re: Vic Underbelly and all that. Weird Redback police. Just who the f… are these? Where did they get imported from ? Any wonder Vic takes the crown for being more in debt than the whole of NSW and Qld together  >:( Yep, we’re leading the way in all shyster avenues. $10 million per day accrued interest only on our debt here! Not happy Jan. I always thought NSW would lead… but no…HanDan has outdone ya’all….Qld is still too backwards to take corrupt lead!  ;D

Not as backwards as accepting Daylight Savings :P

We're too busy producing resources that keep the lights on at your place. ;D

Gnads wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:38am:

freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 7:34am: What does it prove Gnads? You can't read?

It proves FleaDriver is a masochist who enjoys being bitch-slapped for his inane provocations of posters.

Lisa Jones wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 9:25am:

Bobby. wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 8:50am: Hi Lisa, there must be a way that training and testing can sort the wheat from the chaff with the cops? They need to simulate stressful situations and see how the trainees react. The cops must make correct decisions under pressure or they don't get to wear the badge or perhaps they are only given a desk job as a clerk? Some people can even have a high IQ but be hopeless under pressure. Every state police forcer needs to take note of these incidents because these will ultimately involve negative publicity and a lot of money 💰 to sort out (and I’m not just referring to the costs in conducting a thorough root cause analysis/cover up). Subsequent litigation expenses plus settlements easily mean millions of dollars will be incurred. The underlying issues (as I see it) are as follows: Effective and specific training in communicating and negotiating with elderly people ESP those locked in the scary and confusing world of dementia. Such training needs to be conducted ASAP and needs to involve employees within both police AND aged care facilities. Such training must also involve clear reporting guidelines and how to DE ESCALATE confrontations. Revisiting health and safety protocols by sharing PRO ACTIVE principles so as to align how confrontations are dealt with will empower those who ultimately face situations where a dementia patient is armed for whatever reason. I’m not professionally trained but even I know this much: You can’t reach an elderly person with dementia who is armed by screaming at them/ordering them. For starters people with dementia freeze and go into panic around loud noises. I’m tired of saying this but it helps to think of babies/toddlers. Do they handle loud noises and screaming? Of course NOT! They get distressed and break down crying not knowing WTF is going on and they need GENTLE reassurance. That means no screaming and no ordering. It HAS to be friendly and NOT loud AND you need to use simple sentences AND smile as friendly as possible because dementia patients READ faces (like babies/toddlers do). Now the elderly women in these 2 cases involve: 1. A NSW elderly dementia patient armed with a lanyard. 2. An elderly lady in QLD who was holding a steak knife (and I bet it was around lunch or dinner time too). There is no doubt in my mind that these 2 women honestly didn’t understand what was being ordered of them. And why. Elderly people with dementia are locked in a world where items TODAY hold intrinsic value which belongs to a part of their previous lifestyle. So for example : holding a steak knife would be a normal every day thing for a woman because that’s part and parcel of cooking and that’s probably what the elderly QLD was remembering.  A lanyard may well have been a visual reminder of a Centrelink or Medicare card. What these confused and frightened sick elderly women DON’T need is this : inept, untrained cops who turn up to exacerbate their fear and confusion by terrorising them.

We agree that training is required and they need to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Police mottos:

Armed criminals are dangerous and should be avoided when soft targets are available;
Dead men tell no tales;
You can't defame a dead person;
There is nothing more peaceful than a dead man, or granny; and
Cadavers can't be witnesses.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 4:30pm:

Police mottos: Armed criminals are dangerous and should be avoided when soft targets are available; Dead men tell no tales; You can't defame a dead person; There is nothing more peaceful than a dead man, or granny; and Cadavers can't be witnesses.

Body cam makes a perfect witness.

Lisa Jones wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 8:50am:

freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 7:25am: What does this prove Lisa? Please refer to the title of this topic for your answer.

How does it prove they are stupid?

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 5:50pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 8:50am: freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 7:25am: What does this prove Lisa? Please refer to the title of this topic for your answer. How does it prove they are stupid?

Like you they thought tasering a 95 yr old granny was the only option......yep stupid.

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 5:50pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 8:50am: freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 7:25am: What does this prove Lisa? Please refer to the title of this topic for your answer. How does it prove they are stupid?

For not assessing the correct "Exceptional Circumstances" set down in their manual ... that's for tasering, but it's probably the same for handcuffing

Bias_2012 wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:00pm:

freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 5:50pm: Lisa Jones wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 8:50am: freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 7:25am: What does this prove Lisa? Please refer to the title of this topic for your answer. How does it prove they are stupid? For not assessing the correct "Exceptional Circumstances" set down in their manual ... that's for tasering, but it's probably the same for handcuffing

You saying probably proves absolutely nothing.

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:04pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 6:00pm: freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 5:50pm: Lisa Jones wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 8:50am: freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 7:25am: What does this prove Lisa? Please refer to the title of this topic for your answer. How does it prove they are stupid? For not assessing the correct "Exceptional Circumstances" set down in their manual ... that's for tasering, but it's probably the same for handcuffing You saying probably proves absolutely nothing.

You saying or inferring it was an option proves that you know nothing.

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 4:39pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 4:30pm: Police mottos: Armed criminals are dangerous and should be avoided when soft targets are available; Dead men tell no tales; You can't defame a dead person; There is nothing more peaceful than a dead man, or granny; and Cadavers can't be witnesses. Body cam makes a perfect witness.

Only if the cop then performs necrophilia on the victim.

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:04pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 6:00pm: freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 5:50pm: Lisa Jones wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 8:50am: freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 7:25am: What does this prove Lisa? Please refer to the title of this topic for your answer. How does it prove they are stupid? For not assessing the correct "Exceptional Circumstances" set down in their manual ... that's for tasering, but it's probably the same for handcuffing You saying probably proves absolutely nothing.

She is covered by more than one criteria in these rules/regs for taser use by NSW Police.


Quote:

Police should use force that is reasonable, necessary, proportionate and appropriate to the circumstances, and that force should be no more than is reasonably necessary for the safe and effective performance of their duties. There are many factors a police officer may consider when assessing whether it is reasonable to use a Taser. These include the age and physical condition of the subject; the involvement of mental illness, drugs or alcohol; and the risk to the officer, the public and the subject. A Taser should not be used: *for an investigative purpose i.e. the video and audio capability should be used only as part of normal deployment; *near explosive or flammable materials; *where there is a likelihood of significant secondary injuries such as from a fall; *to coerce someone to move; *against someone who is passively non-compliant (i.e. refusing to move or acting as a dead weight); *to rouse someone who is unconscious, impaired or intoxicated; *to target existing injury areas of a subject; *as a crowd control measure; *when the subject is holding a firearm; *against a mental health patient solely to make them comply or submit to accepting medication or treatment. In some circumstances, it should not be used unless there are exceptional circumstances. This includes against: *someone in handcuffs; *a female suspected of being pregnant, *an elderly or disabled person; *a child or an adult of small stature; *someone in a vehicle or using machinery where there is a risk of the vehicle or machinery becoming out of control; *a subject who is fleeing (Taser use should not be the sole reason for using a Taser); *anyone for more than one 5-second period. An ambulance must be called any time a Taser is used on a person.

https://www.armstronglegal.com.au/criminal-law/nsw/police-powers-2/when-can-poli...

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 7:25am:

What does this prove Lisa?

If I can preempt Lisa's answer...

It proves that NSW police officers are insufficiently trained in
order to handle elderly, confused, and frightened people who
are experiencing some sort of mental and/or physical trauma.

It also demonstrates that these particular police were overly
aggressive, unnecessarily antagonistic, and callous in their
treatment of this physically frail woman.

Re the Clare Nowland incident, Emma Grahame has spoken about
the distressing incident. She said: "It just showed me that the police
have learned nothing from the actions that we took against them...
this is one of the reasons I am happy to go public now, to point out
that this is not the first time that this has happened".

I note that in the Grahame case, no police were suspended,
disciplined or dismissed from the force.   Hopefully that won't
happen in the Nowland case, but with the top cop, Webb, going to
ground, I can see the beginnings of a coverup already.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-07/clare-nowland-civil-case-resolved-after-alleged-taser-death/103561424


Family of alleged police tasering victim Clare Nowland
resolves lawsuit against NSW


ABC South East NSW
/ By Bernadette Clarke and Floss Adams
Posted 19h ago

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/23/05/71290381-12113607-image-m-4_1684816033078.jpg


The family of a 95-year-old woman who died after allegedly being tasered by police has resolved a civil lawsuit against the state of New South Wales.

Great-grandmother Clare Nowland was allegedly tasered by Senior Constable Kristian White in her Cooma nursing home in May 2023.

She was left in a critical condition after falling and
fracturing her skull and died in hospital a week later.

Ms Nowland's family lodged a civil case against the state of NSW following her death.

Last month, the parties involved met privately as part of ongoing mediation and the case was adjourned to March 14 for a pre-trial conference, but the civil matter was closed on February 26.

In a statement the Nowland family said the case had been "discontinued on confidential terms".

"The estate and Nowland family will not be making any further comments at this time in view of the ongoing criminal proceedings involving Kristian White," the statement said.