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Title: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 18^th, 2023 at 6:33pm

expert -
Colonel Douglas MacGregor says Ukraine is losing the war badly

460,081 views May 16, 2023

Colonel Douglas MacGregor reveals the devastating truth about Ukraine's standing army, they've been obliterated. President Zelensky this weekend said there are long lines at Ukraine's recruitment centers but there is no evidence of that. Russia continues to decimate air defense across Ukraine ahead of a June offensive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LmXouVk1AE

credentials:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 18^th, 2023 at 6:57pm

What is the truth? -

in every war we are fed lies.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 18^th, 2023 at 7:19pm

only winner is the amercian military industrial complex.

bobby i just posted a video of ukranain men being dragged into vans and sent to the front to die.

how can ukraine make artillery rounds when they have no electricity grid.

russia will demolish everyone who is still left.

bear in mind a few million have already left the country

in the end zelensky will get assylum in hollywood and continue partying and his country will be the next afghanistan

if only trump had been in power to broker a deal a year ago.

why are the left so bloodthirsty as to sacrifice a whole nation that has no hope of winning.

if ukraine regains all its territories , i will leave this forum forever.

hitler couldnt beat the russians , napoleon couldnt beat the russians

a country will no electricity and a handful of able bodied men has no hope.

time for a negotiation

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 18^th, 2023 at 7:22pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65630022

By Adam Durbin in London and James Landale in Kyiv
BBC News

Ukraine's capital Kyiv has been attacked from the air by Russia for the ninth time this month.

Kyiv's authorities said it seemed all incoming missiles had been destroyed, but debris falling from the air caused some damage in two districts.

One person has been killed and two more wounded in a missile strike on the Black Sea port of Odesa, officials say.

Blasts were also heard in the central-western regions of Vinnytsia, Khmelnytsky and Zhytomyr.

Overall, 29 out of 30 missiles launched by Russia overnight were shot down, Ukraine's Air Force said in a statement.

In a separate development, rail traffic was suspended between Simferopol and the city of Sevastopol after a freight train carrying grain derailed. Simferopol is the regional capital of Ukraine's Crimea peninsula, which was annexed by Russia in 2014.

Vladimir Konstantinov, the Moscow-installed head of the regional parliament, told Russia's state media that the derailment was caused by an explosion. An investigation is now under way.

In the latest overnight attack on Kyiv, Russia used cruise missiles and reconnaissance drones, the capital's military administration said in a statement.

It said that "a series of air attacks on Kyiv, unprecedented in their power, intensity and variety, continues".

On Tuesday, Ukraine said it had shot down six Kinzhal hypersonic missiles as part of an "exceptionally dense" attack.

Ukraine says one of the Russian missiles shot down over the Kyiv region fell in the backyard of a house:

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 18^th, 2023 at 7:49pm

Ukraine - men forcibly enlisted into army -
dragged off the streets:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnw2Abqmu64

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by UnSubRocky on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:25pm

The Russians have an active army of over 800,000 soldiers. Ukraine has an active army of about 200,000. The way the Russians are killing Ukrainians, it is no surprise that the Ukrainian military is conscripting civilians to fight in the army.

If the Indonesians got expansionist enough, I bet we Australians would have conscription within a few years of conflicts starting.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:27pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:25pm:

Yet all Govts. in the world will do that -
drag men off the streets and send them as canon fodder to the front lines
with little or no training and rusty old guns that don't work.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:33pm

They have been fighting Russia for a decade and haven't lost yet, so they can't be losing too badly.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:37pm

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

They have been fighting Russia for a decade and haven't lost yet, so they can't be losing too badly.

We all hope so but to be honest it doesn't look good.
How can Ukraine fight a military superpower?
In all modern wars the victors always had control of the skies and could
bomb the enemy at will.
We see none of that from Ukraine.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:45pm

See how Russian media is covering damage to Patriot system in Ukraine.

208,914 views May 18, 2023 #CNN #News

CNN's Matthew Chance breaks down the Russian media's reaction to the damage to the US-made Patriot system. CNN's Erin Burnett interviews filmmaker Alexander Rodnyansky, who has been critical of the war and who Russia has ordered to be arrested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCdJRG2lgNA

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:47pm

Quote:

How can Ukraine fight a military superpower?

Turn on the news and you'll see.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:52pm

aquascoot wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 7:19pm:

bobby i just posted a video of ukranain men being dragged into vans and sent to the front to die.

Allegedly.

No proof whatsoever that what you say is true.

No proof that they're even Ukrainian.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:53pm

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:47pm:

Quote:

How can Ukraine fight a military superpower?

Turn on the news and you'll see.

Dear FD,
you need to see this video about the air campaign in the 1967 6 day war.
The Israeli jets were mostly French built Dassault Mirage III's.
You'll see how air power wins wars quickly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB8aLlVz_8k

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 18^th, 2023 at 10:12pm

Looks like the USA is already tying one hand behind the backs of Ukraine:

https://www.rt.com/news/576506-ukraine-us-f16-training/

US won’t let Europe train Ukrainian pilots to fly F-16s – NYT

Without Washington’s approval, Ukrainian airmen could only receive lessons on technical language and tactics, an official in Kiev has told the outlet
US won’t let Europe train Ukrainian pilots to fly F-16s – NYT
FILE PHOTO: A Belgian F-16 jet fighter takes part in the NATO drills. © AFP / Kenzo Tribouillard

The US has forbidden its European allies from providing Ukrainian pilots with training on F-16 fighter jets, the New York Times has reported, citing a high-ranking official in Kiev.

Without approval from Washington, the best that Ukrainian airmen can hope for are lessons on technical language and tactical training on the ground, the outlet said on Wednesday.

The unnamed Ukrainian official told the NYT that four nations, including the Netherlands and Norway, have “quietly signaled” that they are ready to supply Ukraine with the warplanes produced by Lockheed Martin.

F-16s contain classified technology and Washington’s allies must obtain special “releasability” permission from the Pentagon to even discuss it with outside partners such as Ukraine, a senior US Defense Department official explained to the paper.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by UnSubRocky on May 18^th, 2023 at 10:56pm

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

They have been fighting Russia for a decade and haven't lost yet, so they can't be losing too badly.

If you think that 15,000+ deaths are examples of "can't be losing too badly", the Gallipoli campaign could have done with your help.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 19^th, 2023 at 7:16am

aquascoot wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 7:19pm:

hitler couldnt beat the russians , napoleon couldnt beat the russians

time for a negotiation

Prior to the late 20th century, the old Russian strategy of burn, retreat and wait for the winter to freeze the enemy out, was effective; not effective in the 21st century, where control of the air and the night are the determining factors, and particularly against Ukrainians who are well used to 'Russian' winters.

But I can't see how Kyiv will govern the south and southeast if Russia withdraws from the region.

That scenario would initiate a conflict that could last for decades and have everything in common with Northern Ireland, including the religious component.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 19^th, 2023 at 8:59am

Just goes to show that SLAVERY still exists.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:19am

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:21am

UnSubRocky wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 10:56pm:

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

They have been fighting Russia for a decade and haven't lost yet, so they can't be losing too badly.

If you think that 15,000+ deaths are examples of "can't be losing too badly", the Gallipoli campaign could have done with your help.

We won that war.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:27am

Bobby. wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:19am:

Looks like the USA is already tying one hand behind the backs of Ukraine:

If they (likely) are, it's for a good reason.

The collapse of Russian influence throughout Asia would be catastrophic to the Central Asian balance of power.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:27am

freediver wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:21am:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 10:56pm:

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

They have been fighting Russia for a decade and haven't lost yet, so they can't be losing too badly.

If you think that 15,000+ deaths are examples of "can't be losing too badly", the Gallipoli campaign could have done with your help.

We won that war.

Dear FD,
but we need to ask - what would Jesus have done if he was the President of Ukraine?

Jesus said -
we should love our enemies and
that we should turn the other cheek.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:30am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

Bobby. wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:19am:

Looks like the USA is already tying one hand behind the backs of Ukraine:

If they (likely) are, it's for a good reason.

The collapse of Russian influence throughout Asia would be catastrophic to the Central Asian balance of power.

If I was Zelensky I never would have fought the Russians unless
the whole of NATO joined in with their troops and armies etc to help.
Why should Ukrainians shed their blood for European cowards
and have their cities raised to the ground?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:35am

Bobby. wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

freediver wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:21am:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 10:56pm:

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

They have been fighting Russia for a decade and haven't lost yet, so they can't be losing too badly.

If you think that 15,000+ deaths are examples of "can't be losing too badly", the Gallipoli campaign could have done with your help.

We won that war.

Dear FD,
but we need to ask - what would Jesus have done if he was the President of Ukraine?

Jesus said -
we should love our enemies and
that we should turn the other cheek.

I don't think that extends to sacrificing other people. I'm not sure if the question even makes sense. Jesus did not consider government to be his business. I expect he would have gone on preaching regardless of who won the war, and there may be some merit in that, particularly given the current circumstances. Russia is no longer an evil communist regime sending people to gulags and starving them. It might even be the next Ukraine.

Or maybe, a Russian victory in Ukraine would lead to WWIII.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:36am

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:41am

Bobby. wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:30am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

Bobby. wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:19am:

Looks like the USA is already tying one hand behind the backs of Ukraine:

If they (likely) are, it's for a good reason.

The collapse of Russian influence throughout Asia would be catastrophic to the Central Asian balance of power.

Direct NATO involvement would trigger the ultimate escalation. Russia would be entitled to decide that a force capable of destroying Russia within a fortnight is an existential threat.

You don't think the Poles, Finns, and Baltic states peoples want to join the Ukrainians?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:45am

Europe is obviously over all things 'military'.
Eurovision has a brighter future. ;)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:54am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:41am:

Bobby. wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:30am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

Bobby. wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:19am:

Looks like the USA is already tying one hand behind the backs of Ukraine:

If they (likely) are, it's for a good reason.

The collapse of Russian influence throughout Asia would be catastrophic to the Central Asian balance of power.

You have a point but the Ukrainians could have made the strangest surrender in history -
they could have moved all their army and it's equipment into
NATO territory - say Poland - and put them just over the border
where they would be safe unless the Russians tried to attack NATO.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:56am

freediver wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:35am:

Bobby. wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

freediver wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:21am:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 10:56pm:

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

They have been fighting Russia for a decade and haven't lost yet, so they can't be losing too badly.

If you think that 15,000+ deaths are examples of "can't be losing too badly", the Gallipoli campaign could have done with your help.

We won that war.

Dear FD,
but we need to ask - what would Jesus have done if he was the President of Ukraine?

Jesus said -
we should love our enemies and
that we should turn the other cheek.

Who knows what would have happened? -
the Ukrainians have been starved to death before by the Russians
so there is no trust between those 2 countries.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 19^th, 2023 at 11:17am

It's a case of Ukraine putting it's foot down as a 'Slavic' (Eastern European) nation being Pro-European now, rather than the Pro-Asian like Russia is remaining to be so.

That's why, if Russia is forced to become Pro-European also, China might consider that the last straw and attack Russia as a 'European' threat.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by UnSubRocky on May 19^th, 2023 at 1:17pm

freediver wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 9:21am:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 10:56pm:

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

They have been fighting Russia for a decade and haven't lost yet, so they can't be losing too badly.

If you think that 15,000+ deaths are examples of "can't be losing too badly", the Gallipoli campaign could have done with your help.

We won that war.

Lost the campaign, though.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 19^th, 2023 at 1:39pm

NATO should have moved into Ukraine right at the start of the war
in February 2022 and destroyed any Russians invading Ukraine.
NATO wouldn't have been attacking any Russian territory.
Joe Biden's weakness has caused all of this.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 19^th, 2023 at 1:51pm

Ukraine isn't or wasn't part of NATO.
NATO didn't or doesn't have any right to be in the Ukraine as much as Russia does.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 19^th, 2023 at 7:55pm

Jasin wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

Ukraine isn't or wasn't part of NATO.
NATO didn't or doesn't have any right to be in the Ukraine as much as Russia does.

With the permission of Zelensky, NATO would have had the right to
move into Ukraine and kick the Russians out in Feb. 2022.
They could still do it now.

I'm 100% certain that Zelensky would have agreed.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 19^th, 2023 at 10:03pm

This thread reminds me of one some time ago where Boris put great confidence in Peter Zeihin's Youtube prediction that WW3 would start in May. Well, he's running out of time.

And who could forget Greg's fatuous prediction of Hillary's election landslide.

I am not into predictions, but I expect once the armies cease fire, independent Ukrainians partisans are going to want revenge. They will likely move into Russian territory with assassinations and attacks on infrastructure.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 19^th, 2023 at 10:07pm

Bobby. wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Jasin wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

Ukraine isn't or wasn't part of NATO.
NATO didn't or doesn't have any right to be in the Ukraine as much as Russia does.

NATO was not ready for such a move. That was part of Putin's gambit.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 19^th, 2023 at 10:09pm

issuevoter wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 10:03pm:

I expect once the armies cease fire, independent Ukrainians partisans are going to want revenge. They will likely move into Russian territory with assassinations and attacks on infrastructure.

Both sides can play that game.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 19^th, 2023 at 11:51pm

I think the whole world is just wanting to see some 'nuke action'. You know, test the waters to see the effects and outcomes of a country being bombed with Nukes. A lab-rat and guinea-pig test to see if the world can get away with just letting rip all the nukes for WW3.

You know that humanity wiping itself out with a full blown nuclear war around the globe is pure 'conspiracy'. ;) :D

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 20^th, 2023 at 6:14am

issuevoter wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 10:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Jasin wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

Ukraine isn't or wasn't part of NATO.
NATO didn't or doesn't have any right to be in the Ukraine as much as Russia does.

NATO was not ready for such a move. That was part of Putin's gambit.

I don't think Ukraine can kick the Russians out all by themselves.

NATO might have to join them.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 20^th, 2023 at 6:46am

Biden has changed his mind:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12103037/Biden-allow-European-allies-Ukraine-game-changing-F-16-fighter-jets.html?ico=topics_pagination_desktop

Ukraine could receive 'game changing' F-16s as White House
'tells European allies it will not block export of fighter jets'

The F-16 jets are at the top of Ukraine's wish list of weapons to fight Russia
Kyiv is preparing to launch a counteroffensive against Putin's invading forces

By Chris Jewers

Published: 23:18 AEST, 19 May 2023

The Biden administration has told its European allies it is ready to allow them to send 'game changing' fighter jets to Ukraine to use against Vladimir Putin's forces, according to reports.

The White House is coming under increasing pressure to help Ukraine procure the US-made F-16, which are in the arsenals of a number of European countries.

However, any country would require the United States to sign off the transfer of F-16s to Ukraine on account sensitive US technology being on-board the jets.

According to CNN, White House officials have signaled to its European allies in recent weeks that it is willing to allow them to export the jets to Ukraine, which is currently gearing up for a counteroffensive against Russia's invading forces.

The network cited sources familiar discussion, adding that they said Washington remains reluctant to donate any of its own F-16s towards Kyiv's war effort.

In contrast to these numbers, the F-16s - also known as the Fighting Falcon or Viper and made by Lockheed Martin - are the most popular fighter jet in the world.

Nearly 4,500 are deployed in various countries around the world.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 20^th, 2023 at 7:20am

It was the same with the Abrams tanks. No way, no way, OK.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Captain Caveman on May 20^th, 2023 at 8:53am

Turn off CNN.
They're the terrorist enablers.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 20^th, 2023 at 6:48pm

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-20-23/index.html

Zelensky lands in Japan.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has landed in Japan,
where he is to meet world leaders at the G7 summit in Hiroshima.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 20^th, 2023 at 10:49pm

"Russia's deputy foreign minister has warned Western countries of “enormous risks for themselves" if Ukraine is provided with F-16 fighter jets, Russian state media TASS reported Saturday."

The Muscovites are scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to rhetoric. It translates as: "You better not do that or we will get really really mad!"

It seems to indicate they fear escalation more than NATO, and with good reason. They cannot afford another conventional war front, and apart from a nuclear attack on Ukraine or the EU, they are out of options.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 21^st, 2023 at 5:51am

youve got to stop listening to the paid for media issuevoter.

the war in the donbas is a WW1 trtench warfare of attrition.

russia has 10 x the manpower, it has enormous natural resources. it can pump out artillery shells by the millions , it has reliable electricity, it has a rail and road network that functions.

ukraine has none of these.

the ukrainians are incredibly brave and putin is an incredible bully but when mike tyson is in a fist fight, down in the dirt with muhatma ghandi, i dont care that ghandi is "morally superior: because tysons fists are "physcially superior" and he is going to win.

i will leave the forum forever if ukraine regains all its territory .

its never ever ever going to happen.

and fools like you , cheering on the ukrainians are just prolonging the suffering.

ukraine should have done a deal 12 months ago

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:45am

aquascoot wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 5:51am:

Never give in to bullies.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Jovial Monk on May 21^st, 2023 at 7:21am

Remember the Sudetenland and Hitler’s “last territorial demand in Europe.”

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 21^st, 2023 at 8:22am

Yes, never give in to bullies. However, there are those who admire them. It is obvious that some people on this forum have that picture of a bare-chested Putin on their wall. Considering our open and democratic society, it is disgusting that any Australian would not acknowledge the criminal nature of the Russian police state. No doubt they will support the invasion of Taiwan.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 21^st, 2023 at 9:53am

issuevoter wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 10:49pm:

The F16 is a stone age jet fighter - it will hardly change anything:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon

First flight

20 January 1974; 49 years ago (unplanned)
2 February 1974; 49 years ago (official)

Introduction 17 August 1978; 44 years ago

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 21^st, 2023 at 9:56am

Quote:

the ukrainians are incredibly brave and putin is an incredible bully but when mike tyson is in a fist fight, down in the dirt with muhatma ghandi, i dont care that ghandi is "morally superior: because tysons fists are "physcially superior" and he is going to win.

ukraine probably should have gotten its clock cleaned on that whole war against ethnic russians in the donbass because this was going to be the inevitable result

they had multiple opportunities to stop being c v n t s

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 21^st, 2023 at 10:02am

Quote:

they had multiple opportunities to stop being c v n t s

What did they do wrong?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 21^st, 2023 at 10:08am

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 10:02am:

Quote:

they had multiple opportunities to stop being c v n t s

What did they do wrong?

constant shelling of civilians in donetsk city for years

statements by the former ukrainian president that ethnic russians will "live in basements" to that effect summarise a lot of elite ukrainian sentiment to the countries ethnic russian population

the burning down of the odessa trade hall which killed a bunch of ethnic russians

i know you're just going to claim "durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr this is all propaganda" (some of it is exaggerated, but a lot of it is actually true) but what they were doing for years was obviously highly provocative and war between russia and ukraine was inevitable, even if putin hadn't started it ukraine's ultra-nationalist irredentist ideology meant they were going to make a play for crimea at some point

now they will have to eat sh 1t as their country becomes a bombed out husk for falling for the broken siren song of western enticement, phony promises (or deluded aspirations) to be a NATO/EU member, etc

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 21^st, 2023 at 10:14am

Quote:

statements by the former ukrainian president that ethnic russians will "live in basements" to that effect summarise a lot of elite ukrainian sentiment to the countries ethnic russian population

Isn't he the one they got rid of because he established closer ties with Russia instead of signing a FTA with the EU?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 21^st, 2023 at 10:22am

i might have got that mixed up but yes

irrelevant though, given what i've summarised still remains true

ukraine has acted pretty stupidly/recklessly and this was all pretty avoidable

whether they can win (and the only way they can 'win' is affecting some sort of political negotiation that is in their favour; their strategy is fairly similar to the confederacy's in the american civil war) their country is destined for s h i t hole status regardless

why so many of these ukrainian men are willing to throw away their lives for something this retarded never ceases to amaze me, but it gives you some indication of how powerful memeplexes like ultranationalism can be in getting people to do stupid things

"nEvEr gIvE iNtO bUlLiEs" ~ man who isnt going to die sitting behind his desk in australia

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 21^st, 2023 at 11:02am

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 10:22am:

why so many of these ukrainian men are willing to throw away their lives for something this retarded never ceases to amaze me, but it gives you some indication of how powerful memeplexes like ultranationalism can be in getting people to do stupid things

"nEvEr gIvE iNtO bUlLiEs" ~ man who isnt going to die sitting behind his desk in australia

If you were the Australian PM. would you surrender Australian territory to an aggressor without a fight?

Would you not ask allies to assist in resisting an invader?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 21^st, 2023 at 11:23am

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 10:22am:

Wait a second. No one is going to let that statement go by. You say giving up your nukes in good faith, on the promise of security, is somehow stupid? It was perfectly reasonable, given that the USSR had just collapsed and the Republics looked like becoming open and democratic. Ukraine, in one form or another, has been tyranised by Moscow since Czarist times. The reason the ex-president of Ukraine has anything to say on the matter is because he got kicked out after shooting his citizens in the street.

"Reckless?" You seem to think Ukraine has some kind of choice. They don't, other than letting Putin take over, which is how this war started. Now, wanna talk "Stupid?" NATO as threat to Moscow is utter rubbish, unless Putin's cabal do something infinitely stupid, and that is what they are famous for. Unless you didn't notice, NATO is stronger for his belligerent attitude.

You think you know about Ukraine and Moscow? Read Conrad's memoirs. He was born there, and spent his early childhood in a Russian prison in Siberia because his parents were patriots. You fit right in at Ratbag central. Are you going to back China when they invade Taiwan?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 21^st, 2023 at 11:27am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 11:02am:

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 10:22am:

If you were the Australian PM. would you surrender Australian territory to an aggressor without a fight?

Would you not ask allies to assist in resisting an invader?

Good point.

And what would we do if NZ was invaded by China?
NZ doesn't even have a single fighter jet - they're defenseless.
It could be invaded in about 2 days by a superpower like China -
with the largest navy in the world.

If Australia gets attacked by China - it would be in Darwin.
I doubt our defence bases there would last 2 hours after
Chinese cruise missile attacks.

Australia and NZ are sitting ducks and so are all the Pacific islands.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 21^st, 2023 at 11:56am

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 10:22am:

i might have got that mixed up but yes

irrelevant though, given what i've summarised still remains true

ukraine has acted pretty stupidly/recklessly and this was all pretty avoidable

How have they acted recklessly? Your summary is meaningless if you keep getting your details mixed up.

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whether they can win (and the only way they can 'win' is affecting some sort of political negotiation that is in their favour; their strategy is fairly similar to the confederacy's in the american civil war) their country is destined for s h i t hole status regardless

why so many of these ukrainian men are willing to throw away their lives for something this retarded never ceases to amaze me, but it gives you some indication of how powerful memeplexes like ultranationalism can be in getting people to do stupid things

"nEvEr gIvE iNtO bUlLiEs" ~ man who isnt going to die sitting behind his desk in australia

Ukraine is a fairly liberal democracy. Russia is returning to authoritarianism. If Ukraine loses, it would be a loss for democracy and freedom. Those are worth fighting for.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:02pm

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 11:56am:

Ukraine is a fairly liberal democracy. Russia is returning to authoritarianism. If Ukraine loses, it would be a loss for democracy and freedom. Those are worth fighting for.

yet - everyone does business with countries like Saudi Arabia - a dictatorship -
which cuts peoples heads off with swords for blasphemy -
the Yanks even sell them weapons and in 1991 they
went to war to protect Saudi Arabia from Saddam.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:06pm

Bobby. wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:02pm:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 11:56am:

Ukraine is a fairly liberal democracy. Russia is returning to authoritarianism. If Ukraine loses, it would be a loss for democracy and freedom. Those are worth fighting for.

What is your point Bobby?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:08pm

Bobby. wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 11:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 11:02am:

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 10:22am:

If you were the Australian PM. would you surrender Australian territory to an aggressor without a fight?

Would you not ask allies to assist in resisting an invader?

Remember, despite Australia providing China with the resources to build their War Machine - their ships, planes and tanks are all 'Made in China', so they won't last long and it will be cheaper for them to build a new one, rather than try and fix them.
China has no intention of invading New Zealand at all. Even if it comes under the ANZAC bridge with Australia.
New Zealand is full of their Yellow cousins called Maori, so in essence, the country is already occupied by the Yellow Man.
As is the rest of Polynesia. Their colonisation is complete there.
Australia on the other hand, being the 51st State of the USA under the Prime Ministers - will be bombarded a bit from a safe distance. But I very much doubt the Chinese will try to land on Australian shores as they are afraid of Crocodiles, Spiders and Snakes.

Don't forget that the Philippines and Papua New Guinea have already had 'alliance' talks which unofficially included Micronesia, East Timor and a few others in the above region in regards to both China and 'Moslem' Indonesia.
The Philippines won't be a walkover for China and if Melanesia and the Balinese and Indigenous Indonesians attack the Indo Moslems to liberate Indonesia and Irian Jaya. Chances are there will be many Australians both Military and Mercenary joining in as well.
It wouldn't be hard, all you have to do is bomb the crap out of an island before even needing to send in troops.

I do believe that Australian cities will be bombed and I reckon Sydney is the city to go up in smoke from a Nuke and turn a harbour into a 'Bay'.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:09pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 11:02am:

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 10:22am:

If you were the Australian PM. would you surrender Australian territory to an aggressor without a fight?

Would you not ask allies to assist in resisting an invader?

i would have negotiated a settlement or did everything i could to ensure no war started in the first place like any non insane person would lol

i'm sure as f k not throwing my life away for boomer house prices in the event of an invasion if australia that's for sure

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:11pm

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:02pm:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 11:56am:

Ukraine is a fairly liberal democracy. Russia is returning to authoritarianism. If Ukraine loses, it would be a loss for democracy and freedom. Those are worth fighting for.

What is your point Bobby?

That you point of -
democracy and freedom. Those are worth fighting for.

is not true in most cases.
We don't fight for that at all except in some cases of invasion such as Ukraine now.
The great democracies of the world also illegally invade other countries -
look at the Iraq invasion in 2003.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:13pm

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 11:02am:

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 10:22am:

If you were the Australian PM. would you surrender Australian territory to an aggressor without a fight?

Would you not ask allies to assist in resisting an invader?

That's what Trump would have done JC. Try to prevent a War that would kill many civilians, at any cost.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:14pm

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We don't fight for that at all except in some cases of invasion such as Ukraine now.

We aren't on a crusade, but we do defend our freedoms and our democracy when they come under attack. It doesn't happen that often, given that liberal democracies also tend to be far more wealthy and powerful.

Why do you think western countries and the media are all siding with Ukraine?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:19pm

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Ukraine is a fairly liberal democracy. Russia is returning to authoritarianism. If Ukraine loses, it would be a loss for democracy and freedom. Those are worth fighting for.

ukraine is about as corrupt as russia is, and its certainly a worse country to live in. ukraine is basically russia if it never left the post-soviet 90s nadir. certainly not worth fighting for, and many ukrainians fighting sure as f k aren't fighting for "liberal democracy" or whatever claptrap they're effective blood and soil nationalists who want to produce a ukrainian ethnogenesis predicated upon a specific brand of regional gallician ultranationalism

hard to describe a state where civilians are routinely taped to street posts and chased down like dogs by the SBU for not wanting to die in a ditch in bakhmut as a "liberal democracy", and even if so who gaf anyway that's not worth dying for lol. nothing is, death is the end, nothing after it

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:20pm

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We aren't on a crusade, but we do defend our freedoms and our democracy when they come under attack.

yeah like chile in the 1970s or mossadeq in iran in the 1950s

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:23pm

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:14pm:

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We don't fight for that at all except in some cases of invasion such as Ukraine now.

It's because of memories about Hitler invading Poland.
Putin has done the same thing in Ukraine.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 21^st, 2023 at 1:21pm

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:19pm:

Quote:

Ukraine is a fairly liberal democracy. Russia is returning to authoritarianism. If Ukraine loses, it would be a loss for democracy and freedom. Those are worth fighting for.

If everyone thought like you, we would all be slaves.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 21^st, 2023 at 1:45pm

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 11:56am:

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 10:22am:

i might have got that mixed up but yes

irrelevant though, given what i've summarised still remains true

ukraine has acted pretty stupidly/recklessly and this was all pretty avoidable

How have they acted recklessly? Your summary is meaningless if you keep getting your details mixed up.

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Ukraine is a fairly liberal democracy. Russia is returning to authoritarianism. If Ukraine loses, it would be a loss for democracy and freedom. Those are worth fighting for.

I would say Russia under Putin HAS returned to authoritarianism, but that word is a little too nice. Russia is a fascist police state that locks up, poisons, or murders, political opposition. It now describes opposition to the invasion Treason with life in prison . . . if they survive. The fact that Ukraine is fairly liberal is exactly why Putin invaded. Poroshenko didn't go to Moscow to retire, he went there to await the invasion.

In the meantime, we have Australians championing a fascist state, mainly out of ignorance, or the anti-Western conspiracy theories hatched because of too much couch time.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 21^st, 2023 at 3:42pm

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 1:21pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:19pm:

Quote:

Ukraine is a fairly liberal democracy. Russia is returning to authoritarianism. If Ukraine loses, it would be a loss for democracy and freedom. Those are worth fighting for.

If everyone thought like you, we would all be slaves.

no ukrainian is going to be a slave

you're certainly not going to be signing up to help them

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 21^st, 2023 at 3:45pm

zalensky will fight to the last 16 yo, dragged kicking and screaming to the front .

then he will catch a jet to hollywood and party with sean penn and george clooney and be celebrated as Time magazines "man of the year" ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 21^st, 2023 at 3:49pm

it's totally worth fighting for a political system comprised of a revolving door of two politically indistiguishable parties that ignore what the public wants on all important big ticket items while making their own constituents minorities in their own country

i'd totally sign up to die for something like that

it's funny also that with opposition parties banned, it's hard to make the case that Russia is more autocratic and less democratic than Ukraine rn

the second biggest party in the russian state duma is the communist party of the russian federation, that's a pretty bizarre chararcteristic for a 'fascist state' to have. people just throw around words without even knowing what they mean . meanwhile all communist iconography/political organisations in ukraine have been banned for years, and neo-nazi affiliated groups are loosely or formally integrated into the military and other institutions

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 21^st, 2023 at 4:02pm

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 3:42pm:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 1:21pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:19pm:

Quote:

Ukraine is a fairly liberal democracy. Russia is returning to authoritarianism. If Ukraine loses, it would be a loss for democracy and freedom. Those are worth fighting for.

If everyone thought like you, we would all be slaves.

no ukrainian is going to be a slave

you're certainly not going to be signing up to help them

If everyone fled like you, they soon would be.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 21^st, 2023 at 4:11pm

i'd want to be part of russia if i was ukraninian tbh

it's clearly the better managed country with a better quality of life

many in ukraine clearly agree

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 21^st, 2023 at 5:30pm

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 11:02am:

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 10:22am:

If you were the Australian PM. would you surrender Australian territory to an aggressor without a fight?

Would you not ask allies to assist in resisting an invader?

Negotiation didn’t work with Hitler or Stalin.

Given Russians do not consider Ukraine to be a separate country (the Russian pet name for Ukraine is ‘little Russia’), why would it work with Putin?

What would you have offered? Putin intended to take the country and install a puppet regime. He also denied Russia was intending to invade Ukraine (similar to Hitler and Stalin’s denial about Poland’s invasion). What was there to negotiate ?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 21^st, 2023 at 5:32pm

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it's clearly the better managed country with a better quality of life

Even Nazi Germany looked OK for a while.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 21^st, 2023 at 5:32pm

Something about the G7’s over-eagerness to meet with Zelenskyy is suspicious.

There was a false note in it.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 21^st, 2023 at 5:56pm

putin has exposed the great weakness of the west.

energy security and food security are security.

since the west has decided to shoot itself in the foot and criminalise farming and criminalise fossil fuels, they have weakened themselves .

you cant touch putin.

he is armed to the teeth, he has a vast country rich in natural resources.

sanctions wont work, military posturing wont work.

what would have worked is to "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" as donald trump was doing.

and lets quit the BS about trump being a coward.

he met kim jong with no bodygaurd . trump understood that authoritarian states have certain advantages over the west in terms of war.

if biden doesnt like it, he can quit with the "death by 1000 strokes" that ukraine is currently suffering and front up troops.

but he wont

the left should read robert greens "the 48 laws of power" and educate themselves on how to deal with a bully.

there are more ways to kill a cat then choking it on butter

according to Robert Greene, power rests on our capacity to control ourselves, not to let our emotions show, to remain fluid, elusive, and unpredictable, not to take sides. It also resides in our capacity to exploit the weaknesses of the other, therefore to spot them, to listen, to court.

Power requires the ability to play with appearances. Deception and masquerade should not be seen as ugly or immoral. All human interaction requires deception on many levels, and in some ways what separates humans from animals is our ability to lie and deceive. Power is essentially amoral and one of the most important skills to acquire is the ability to see circumstances rather than good or evil.

Power is a social game. To learn and master it, you must develop the ability to study and understand people. As the great seventeenth-century thinker and courtier Baltasar Gracián wrote: “Many people spend time studying the properties of animals or herbs; how much more important it would be to study those of people, with whom we must live or die!” To be a master player you must also be a master psychologist.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:09pm

Good post Aqua,
maybe NATO has the idea of bleeding Russia dry over a long period of time? -
maybe 5 to 10 years? -
even long enough that Putin will die of stress and his old age?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:09pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 5:32pm:

Something about the G7’s over-eagerness to meet with Zelenskyy is suspicious.

There was a false note in it.

“India and I will do whatever we can for the resolution of the war” - Narendra Modi.

As ambiguous as it’s politically possible to be.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:13pm

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:14pm

Ukraine and Trump has challenged the Old Cliche's of Putin wanting a renaissance of the USSR and Democrats/Biden's 'Build Back' the good old days like where his dementia is at (not in the present moment).

The world is changing, its about to shed its old skin again.
China's military will be as awesome a Supernova as Betelgeuse (suddenly flared up 50% brighter than normal this past month). But once China expends its Military might - all that will be left of it is a small yellow dwarf star.

So to is the Old Cliche of Nazis as a threat. Long gone - now its the Moslems to do to the French (left out in front by Europe) what the Germans did to the Jews. They want their 'Messiah' and Gay France will provide it for them - before they put down their Old Empire of Islam, put down the gun and begin wandering the deserts like the Jews of old, as Israel as a military 'Empire' rises.

Out with the old and in with the New.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:18pm

aquascoot wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 5:56pm:

putin has exposed the great weakness of the west.

energy security and food security are security.

Putin has exposed the degree to which he is aware of the decline of Russia.

This war was intended to be the first of many in Eastern Europe.

It’s crash through (retake former Soviet territory) or crash.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:22pm

Russia will become as isolated as Putin is. In a world of its own in a room watching Russian TV as its own connection to the world outside.
Putin was told by his establishment (the Party still exists) that Ukraine wanted to be liberated and it was an easy walk in.
Like many Leaders who isolate themselves at the top - they are fed lies by those in the middle who really run the show.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:29pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 5:56pm:

putin has exposed the great weakness of the west.

energy security and food security are security.

well the first thing to realise is that putin is, in no way scared of nato.

if he was, he wouldnt have moved all his forces to the donbas and left his borders defenceless.

putin understands the west very well.

trump was unpredictable, impulsive, outrageous.

putin probably isnt going to take on someone with those characteristics.

putins knows china and india want his fuel and his food.

if the west was smart , they would have gone all out to frac everywhere and prodiuce so much food that vlad has no bargaining chips.

instead they followed the advice of a 13 yo autistic girl and now vlad cant be outflanked.

people have to eat and burn fuel so russia is sitting pretty.

and he's shown he is a madman with plenty nukes so he cant be touched.

game over.

give him the dombas, make friends, go back to trumps idea of getting out of nato and make the world a safer, more proserous and paradoxically safer place

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:33pm

I don't think Putin knows much at all these days - locked away in his isolation cell in fear of his own establishment. They let him play 'leader' while they do what they want. I very much doubt he has any real say in any major decision these days and is pretty much a Television Muppet for the Establishment to stick their hands up his arse and make him talk.
Much like the Democrats do with Biden.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:37pm

aquascoot wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 5:56pm:

putin has exposed the great weakness of the west.

energy security and food security are security.

putins knows china and india want his fuel and his food.

China wants Central Asia.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:39pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:37pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 5:56pm:

putin has exposed the great weakness of the west.

energy security and food security are security.

putins knows china and india want his fuel and his food.

China wants Central Asia.

China wants what Russia can no longer afford.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:43pm

the leader of china has read the 48 laws of power.

he will get

russias natural resources AND he wont get any nukes lobbed at him AND he wont have to spend a cent on the whole affair.

but , of course, the mainstream media will paint Xi as a madman and biden/harris as super heroes ::)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:46pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:37pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 5:56pm:

putin has exposed the great weakness of the west.

energy security and food security are security.

putins knows china and india want his fuel and his food.

China wants Central Asia.

and they shall have it.

who's going to stop them

these guys ?

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Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:48pm

;D ;D ;D

...see Aqua. The world is moving into that Gay France/Democrat sacrifice phase. ;)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 21^st, 2023 at 7:00pm

Jasin wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 6:48pm:

;D ;D ;D

...see Aqua. The world is moving into that Gay France/Democrat sacrifice phase. ;)

lots of people dont have much respect for human life xavier

even greta.

if even St Greta doesnt really care about people in another place dying, do you reckon vlad will care if he has to chuck a nuke or two?

highly unlikely

like i said, this is a very dangerous war.

i think i'll be fine with my farm and my access to water and provisions.

if a nuke goes off (and this is entirely possible if the USA doesnt march it back) then you city folk are going to suddenly discover what its like to go without fuel and food.

my guess is you'll regret all this fake on line virtue signalling

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Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 21^st, 2023 at 7:02pm

Nowhere near a City for me Aqua. Nothing but fresh air and spearing fish just 300m away.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 21^st, 2023 at 7:17pm

Quote:

This war was intended to be the first of many in Eastern Europe.

lmao so fking dumb

this clown is just making s h t up now

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 21^st, 2023 at 8:19pm

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 7:17pm:

Quote:

This war was intended to be the first of many in Eastern Europe.

lmao so fking dumb

this clown is just making s h t up now

A coward who looks for a reason not to fight for anything. No family or kids then?

The Polish, Finns and Baltic peoples (all of whom have ethnic Russians in their respective countries) know exactly what the Russian instinct for invasion and expansion means.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 21^st, 2023 at 8:35pm

Anyway.
The Western Europeans have North America and the Eastern Europeans will get Australia.

Welcome to Russia Down Under.
WWW.COMmunism ;) Slaves and Convicts.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 21^st, 2023 at 8:41pm

lots of people on here saying

"never give in to a bully"

if 5 members of the apex gang storm thru your door at 1 am with machetes are you going to pick up your hairbrush and attack them , whilst declaring "never give in to a bully'

i find that hard to believe.

zelensky is telling his people to "never give in to a bully", whilst sean penn and george clooney are decorating his pad in the hollywood hills and negotiating a netflix deal for him ::) ::)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 21^st, 2023 at 8:53pm

aquascoot wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 8:41pm:

Turns out that gang was armed with wet newspapers.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 21^st, 2023 at 9:11pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 8:19pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 7:17pm:

Quote:

This war was intended to be the first of many in Eastern Europe.

lmao so fking dumb

this clown is just making s h t up now

you mean this polish empire

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 21^st, 2023 at 9:12pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 8:53pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 8:41pm:

Turns out that gang was armed with wet newspapers.

yeah, that ukraine still cant stop

go sign up if you reckon it would be that easy

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 22^nd, 2023 at 5:18am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 8:53pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 8:41pm:

Turns out that gang was armed with wet newspapers.

April 12 (Reuters) - As many as 354,000 Russian and Ukrainian soldiers have been killed or injured in the Ukraine war which is grinding towards a protracted conflict that may last well beyond 2023, according to a trove of purported U.S. intelligence documents posted online.

If authentic, the documents, which look like secret U.S. assessments of the war as well as some U.S. espionage against allies, offer rare insight into Washington's view of one of Europe's deadliest conflicts since World War Two.

armed with wet newspapers huh?

you sound like goebels talking to the families of the 6th army in stalingrad.

"dont worry, the russians are only armed with wet newspapers"

::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:14am

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 5:18am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 8:53pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 8:41pm:

Turns out that gang was armed with wet newspapers.

Yes Aqua,
I have a feeling that the Ukrainian offensive is not going to happen. :-/

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 22^nd, 2023 at 7:23am

That's because they have run out of fresh meat to feed into the trenches

You have to feel for the ukranians
They have been very brave
No one is denying that

But brave sir Bobby
If the apex gang breakdown your front door tonight arms with machetes
My advice would be don't listen to
The bravado from various keyboard warriors
Telling you to
Never give in to a bully

I would suggest you negotiate to hand over a small amount of your assets
And then get on with living you're awesome life

Those brave keyboard warriors
Would poop their pants
If they were confronted with a true bully

Ton after tonne of Russian artillery raining down upon your head
Would be more terrifying then the apex gang

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 22^nd, 2023 at 7:31am

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 7:23am:

Thanks sir brave Aqua,
history is written by the victors.
We hear in every documentary that the British won the battle of Britain.
Did they?

https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-blitz-around-britain

57 consecutive nights of bombing - over 43,500 civilians were killed.
Many cities in England were raised to the ground -
left as smoking piles of rubble.

Does that sound like winning to you?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 22^nd, 2023 at 8:22am

Plenty of criticism here, but as Lindley-French says: "Ultimately, this is about the values of liberal democracy and human rights; freedom. Not real-politic and state structures."

And what do the Putin sycophants here offer? The US and EU want to destroy Russia in some military fantasy that makes their munitions industries lots of money. Never mind the cost to Western countries and the world right now. EU and US corporation were keen to do business in and with Russia, and lost billions when it became apparent what the war actually meant. But the ultimate idiocy is that these nitwits think Putin only wants Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA-nykKrAvg

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 22^nd, 2023 at 8:54am

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 5:18am:

armed with wet newspapers huh?

"dont worry, the russians are only armed with wet newspapers"

That was a reference to your analogy of the 5 apex gang members with machetes facing off defenders armed with hairbrushes.

Turns out those 5 apex gang members with machetes were all standing in line, carving up each one in front of the other.

They ran out of gas, ran out of food, blocked the roads into Ukraine, started looting toilets and washing machines, looting alcohol, got blind pissed, then abandoned their vehicles and walked back into Russia.

Those vehicles that could still make it back to Russia were loaded up with looted white goods and sent back to villages without the infrastructure to use them.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 22^nd, 2023 at 9:00am

Chinese official whispers into the ear of Xi "Russia is engaged with Europe - now is the time to take resource rich Siberia while their backs are turned, their forces are west and Europe will want to teach them a lesson about fighting on two fronts."

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 22^nd, 2023 at 9:03am

Jasin wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 9:00am:

More likely: strengthen ties with Kazakhstan, Tajikistan and Kyrgistan - Displace Russia as Central Asia's sphere of influence.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 22^nd, 2023 at 9:06am

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 9:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 8:19pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 7:17pm:

Quote:

This war was intended to be the first of many in Eastern Europe.

lmao so fking dumb

this clown is just making s h t up now

you mean this polish empire

Are you telling 21st-century Poles to accept expansionist Russia at their borders because their ancestors lived in a Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth in the 18th century?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 22^nd, 2023 at 9:33am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 8:54am:

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 5:18am:

armed with wet newspapers huh?

"dont worry, the russians are only armed with wet newspapers"

Meister

When did you start moonlighting as a member of the legacy media
Parroting the current Western narrative

Fair dinkum

Once the the roads dry in June
Putin will roll into Ukraine
And maybe then you can report what the pentagon actually thinks is happening
Not what CNN would like to be happening

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 22^nd, 2023 at 9:37am

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 9:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 8:54am:

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 5:18am:

armed with wet newspapers huh?

"dont worry, the russians are only armed with wet newspapers"

Where are you getting your information from? Russian state media?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:11am

What we need to wait for is the meaning behind Zelensky's warm welcome at the G7 meeting.

What was being signalled?

Were the affrimations of support for Zelensky - the hand shaking and back slapping, the rush for photo-opportunities with him - about a steadfast commitment to Ukraine's defense, or consolation?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:34am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:11am:

I've got no doubt the military industrial complex
Will gladly take money from European and American governments
To flood the Ukraine
With all their out-of-date stock

They will keep doing it until the Ukraine looks like Iraq if it does not look that way already
The west will keep sending in
Ordnance to be detonated in Ukraine
They won't dare send much into Russia for fear of nuclear retaliation

So the west and zelensky are quite happy to see Ukraine turned into a wasteland

Of course zelenski will then be off to asylum in Hollywood
So why would he give a toss ::) ::)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:37am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 9:37am:

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 9:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 8:54am:

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 5:18am:

armed with wet newspapers huh?

"dont worry, the russians are only armed with wet newspapers"

Where are you getting your information from? Russian state media?

You think the Western media is trustworthy

Have they ever apologised for lying for the last 20 years about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq

They are every bit as corrupt as Russian state media

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:40am

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:37am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 9:37am:

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 9:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 8:54am:

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 5:18am:

armed with wet newspapers huh?

"dont worry, the russians are only armed with wet newspapers"

Where are you getting your information from? Russian state media?

You think the Western media is trustworthy

Have they ever apologised for lying for the last 20 years about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq

They are every bit as corrupt as Russian state media

So, your source is as bad as the ones you criticise, then.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:42am

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:34am:

So the west and zelensky are quite happy to see Ukraine turned into a wasteland

Would you have Zelensky act like a reincarnation of Marshal Petain?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:48am

don't try to talk to this guy

he's just a boomer logic "next coming of hitler" goon

he is quite frankly, really stupid

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:50am

JC Denton wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:48am:

don't try to talk to this guy

he's just a boomer logic "next coming of hitler" goon

he is quite frankly, really stupid

Mr Negotiation, eh. Justifying cowardice.

How'd that work out for Chamberlain?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:50am

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 5:32pm:

Quote:

it's clearly the better managed country with a better quality of life

Even Nazi Germany looked OK for a while.

the second biggest party in the russian state duma is the communist party of the russian federation, that's a pretty bizarre chararcteristic for a 'fascist state' to have. people just throw around words without even knowing what they mean . meanwhile all communist iconography/political organisations in ukraine have been banned for years, and neo-nazi affiliated groups are loosely or formally integrated into the military and other institutions

the russian federation is the poorest analogy to nazi germany a person could possibly draw

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:53am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:50am:

JC Denton wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:48am:

don't try to talk to this guy

he's just a boomer logic "next coming of hitler" goon

he is quite frankly, really stupid

Mr Negotiation, eh.

How'd that work out for Chamberlain?

hitler wrote everything he wanted to do in mein kampf idiot

go read something rather than just quoting platitudes you goon

nothing that occured in ww2 was a surprise, it was arguable he even wanted to attack western countries at all and had to do so out of necessity due to the collective DoWs on germany that happened after the invasion of poland

i really wish people like you would go sign up so you can get blown to shreds in a trench in donbass rather than playing the role of obese chicken hawk war monger from your home office in... australia

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:53am

JC Denton wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:50am:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 5:32pm:

Quote:

it's clearly the better managed country with a better quality of life

Even Nazi Germany looked OK for a while.

Hitler was a nationalist expansionist. Russian leaders, left or right, are all nationalist expansionists, except Yeltsin, who was too drunk and corrupt to care.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:58am

JC Denton wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:53am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:50am:

JC Denton wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:48am:

don't try to talk to this guy

he's just a boomer logic "next coming of hitler" goon

he is quite frankly, really stupid

Mr Negotiation, eh.

How'd that work out for Chamberlain?

hitler wrote everything he wanted to do in mein kampf idiot

Putin has railed against the west and publicly mourned the fall of the Soviet Union as 'the great catastrophe', almost exactly as Hitler did regarding Germany, WW1 and the Treaty of Versailles, you idiot.

He was elevated by Yeltsin because of his effective management of protecting corrupt politicians he was subordinate to.

Read something of Putin's biography.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:59am

nup it's way more complicated than that

there's nothing indicating russia has any desire to engage in full-fledged war with nato, it appears to be more the other way around

ukraine represents a specific and important psychological place in the region to russians, same as how america would react if china was establishing bases in the western hemisphere (but there's far more to it than that; specifically the ethnic civil war between russians and ukrainians in the donbass)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:00am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:58am:

JC Denton wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:53am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:50am:

JC Denton wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:48am:

don't try to talk to this guy

he's just a boomer logic "next coming of hitler" goon

he is quite frankly, really stupid

Mr Negotiation, eh.

How'd that work out for Chamberlain?

hitler wrote everything he wanted to do in mein kampf idiot

putin has mixed opinions on the fall of the soviet union

hence why he has said "anyone who does not miss the soviet union has no heart, anyone who wants it back has no brain"

i don't think you're smart enough to understand that quote though

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:02am

when can we expect your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion chicken hawk

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:02am

JC Denton wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:59am:

nup it's way more complicated than that

there's nothing indicating russia has any desire to engage in full-fledged war with nato, it appears to be more the other way around

The Poles, Finns, Baltics and all those non-Russians who border Russia disagree with you.

Pretending you know what the sentiment is in Eastern Europe better than Eastern Europeans, is typical of someone who, prior to 2022, couldn't have pointed to Ukraine on a map.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:03am

Quote:

The Poles, Finns, Baltics and all those non-Russians who border Russia disagree with you.

because they're hysterical nut jobs with a muti-century hate hard on

they don't call it the butthurt belt for no reason

when can we expect your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion chicken hawk

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:04am

when can we expect your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion chicken hawk

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:06am

JC Denton wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:00am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:58am:

JC Denton wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:53am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:50am:

JC Denton wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:48am:

don't try to talk to this guy

he's just a boomer logic "next coming of hitler" goon

he is quite frankly, really stupid

Mr Negotiation, eh.

How'd that work out for Chamberlain?

hitler wrote everything he wanted to do in mein kampf idiot

Putin resents the demise of Russian hegemony in Eastern Europe. He does not resent the demise of Soviet communism.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:08am

JC Denton wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:03am:

Quote:

The Poles, Finns, Baltics and all those non-Russians who border Russia disagree with you.

All hysterical nutjobs, eh.

Have you ever left your home town?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:12pm

Meister, you are wasting your time on fools. Their arguments are relativist, just as the liberals are about Islamic atrocities, while their actual beliefs are a childish admiration for the straight-face Russian tough guy poses which they translate into strength of character.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:23pm

issuevoter wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:12pm:

whats fascinating is it was always the right (people like regan) who whipped up anti russian sentiment and the left (people like bernie sanders) who defended russia , even going there for his honeymoon in bernies case.

now because of some false propaganda by hilary that donald and vlad were mates, we have the left apoplectic with rage against vlad and the right calling for biden to stop sending military aid.

very bizarre .

but the fact remains, putin will prevail in the ukraine.

he simply had too many artillery shells and a much bigger population and the west is only sending the ukranians their ordnance which has a use by date , so they can cash up on resupply.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 22^nd, 2023 at 3:52pm

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 22^nd, 2023 at 4:41pm

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 3:52pm:

That's pretty good, Bobby. Only difference, they wanted to kill us. That is if you insist on including me in "we."

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 22^nd, 2023 at 4:50pm

issuevoter wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 4:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 3:52pm:

That's pretty good, Bobby. Only difference, they wanted to kill us. That is if you insist on including me in "we."

But the Yanks have armed a lot of naughty boys. :-[

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 22^nd, 2023 at 8:07pm

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 4:50pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 4:41pm:

[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1684398818/132#132 date=1684734727]

That's pretty good, Bobby. Only difference, they wanted to kill us. That is if you insist on including me in "we."

But the Yanks have armed a lot of naughty boys. :-[/quote]

I cannot argue with that. But I have to return to Lindley-French stating: "Ultimately, this is about the values of liberal democracy and human rights; freedom. Not real-politic and state structures."

Of course, Ukraine is losing, as the title says. They have lost territory and had their cities bombarded. You have to ask what winning means to either side. The Russians keep changing their story. However, Putin and the Muscovite cabal have started something they do not seem able to finish. But the misery and grief they have created for Russians and Ukrainians is only the beginning. It will mean generational hatred that will make the Donbas question look like kindergarten. This will be a long war, and afterwards there will be a lot of men who are pretty good at demolition and murder, and they are going to want revenge.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 22^nd, 2023 at 8:16pm

issuevoter wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 8:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 4:50pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 4:41pm:

[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1684398818/132#132 date=1684734727]

That's pretty good, Bobby. Only difference, they wanted to kill us. That is if you insist on including me in "we."

yes this history has been seen before.

History is written by the victors.
We hear in every documentary that the British won the battle of Britain.
Did they?

https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-blitz-around-britain

57 consecutive nights of bombing - over 43,500 civilians were killed.
Many cities in England were raised to the ground -
left as smoking piles of rubble.

Does that sound like winning to you?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Dnarever on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:34pm

Quote:

expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.

Most of those stories are engineered out of Russia.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by thegreatdivide on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:59pm

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:23pm:

but the fact remains, putin will prevail in the ukraine.

he simply had too many artillery shells and a much bigger population

but NATO has a combined GDP of more than $40 trillion cf Russia's $1.5 trillion, so as long as there is something to bomb in Ukraine, NATO will outlast Russia.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:09pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:23pm:

but the fact remains, putin will prevail in the ukraine.

he simply had too many artillery shells and a much bigger population

but NATO has a combined GDP of more than $40 trillion cf Russia's $1.5 trillion, so as long as there is something to bomb in Ukraine, NATO will outlast Russia.

Let's say that Ukraine gets back its territory -

They get as their prize - 100s of 1000s of bombed out buildings -
whole cities turned into piles of smoking rubble -
100s of 1000s of their people dead -
half their population has left the county as refugees -
their roads, bridges, farms and factories in ruin.
Their territory poisoned with depleted Uranium for millions of years -
their farm land infested with land mines that will take 50 years to clear out -
they will be lucky if the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant doesn't melt down -
that is not a win.

Ukraine has already lost everything.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:35pm

Quote:

but NATO has a combined GDP of more than $40 trillion cf Russia's $1.5 trillion, so as long as there is something to bomb in Ukraine, NATO will outlast Russia.

this isnt how gdp works dumbkopf

ukraine can only fight so long as it has enough people to do it with, if there isn't enough they will lose

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:38pm

Dnarever wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:34pm:

Quote:

expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.

Most of those stories are engineered out of Russia.

yeah the ukrainians aren't lying about anything. nothing at all

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 23^rd, 2023 at 6:57am

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:23pm:

but the fact remains, putin will prevail in the ukraine.

he simply had too many artillery shells and a much bigger population

but NATO has a combined GDP of more than $40 trillion cf Russia's $1.5 trillion, so as long as there is something to bomb in Ukraine, NATO will outlast Russia.

Plenty of countries have bounced back from such a defeat, let alone a victory.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 23^rd, 2023 at 7:08am

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 6:57am:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:23pm:

but the fact remains, putin will prevail in the ukraine.

he simply had too many artillery shells and a much bigger population

but NATO has a combined GDP of more than $40 trillion cf Russia's $1.5 trillion, so as long as there is something to bomb in Ukraine, NATO will outlast Russia.

Plenty of countries have bounced back from such a defeat, let alone a victory.

The Russian flag is currently flying over bakhmut.

Zelensky had better fuel up the the learjet
Alert Hollywood he's on the way
Maybe someone can bring his yacht up from San Diego

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 23^rd, 2023 at 7:10am

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 6:57am:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:23pm:

but the fact remains, putin will prevail in the ukraine.

he simply had too many artillery shells and a much bigger population

but NATO has a combined GDP of more than $40 trillion cf Russia's $1.5 trillion, so as long as there is something to bomb in Ukraine, NATO will outlast Russia.

Plenty of countries have bounced back from such a defeat, let alone a victory.

It can happen.
I was amazed that Germany rebuilt so well after WW2.
Within 40 years they had the largest economy in Europe.

Britain also rebuilt but they did suffer for at least 30 years after WW2.
They had food rationing.
France had food rationing till 1958.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 23^rd, 2023 at 8:02am

Quote:

Plenty of countries have bounced back from such a defeat, let alone a victory.

those countries invariably have had way more manpower and resource potential than the side that winning against them initially

i.e the soviet union in ww2, rome in the second punic war, or the union in the american civil war

in order for them to win an attritional victory (absurd) they have to be killing 5 russians for every 1 ukrainian, and even if they were achieving that they'd roughly only be breaking even

even with the assumption of infinite nato funding ukraine's only hope of victory is a political one; ukrainian generals have said as much

otherwise this is completely delusional

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 23^rd, 2023 at 8:23am

Yes zelensky either goes to the negotiating table 12 months ago with a lot of his infrastructure intact
Or he goes to the negotiating table in 3 months time
With the place looking like Iraq no running water or electricity

We can see how the Western countries deal with this situation once the virtue signalling is over

Iraq is still a basket case with people living in rubble
And with America bankrupt and its own citizens descending into poverty
The chances they will rebuild Ukraine are 0

Zolensky should have taken the deal 12 months ago

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 23^rd, 2023 at 8:34am

aquascoot wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 8:23am:

In Feb. 2022 Zelensky should have told NATO that
if they don't immediately join the fight with all their weapons
and all their troops then Ukraine is surrendering to the Russians
and they will have the Russian army on their borders.

Zelensky is a reckless fool to try and take on a superpower with limited weapons -
they always get the fish that John West rejects from NATO -
mostly old and obsolete equipment.
Even the F16s that they are promised now are 40 year old aircraft. ::)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 23^rd, 2023 at 8:36am

there is almost no possibility he can go to the 'negotiating table' bc the ultranationalists will kill him. this war isn't just a battle for the survival of the ukrainian state, it's about zelensky's (and presumably some of his clique's) personal survival too. the only hope is the CIA helps him clean house before he initiates a negotiation but that is unlikely too. the best ukraine can do is stall russia as much as possible in the hopes of either political upheaval (extremely unlikely) or political concessions to leave ukraine entirely by putin (unlikely, but there's some possibly) himself. it may not be possible whatsoever bc the irredentist ultranationalists in ukraine will never be content with any negotiated agreement unless they get crimea 'back' as well, which the kremlins will never ever agree to.

so if this chain of logic is correct, ukraine will be completely destroyed slowly over the coming years.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 23^rd, 2023 at 8:40am

Quote:

Even the F16s that they are promised now are 40 year old aircraft. Roll Eyes

the obsesion with the jet aircraft is seriously weird, why does everyone think this will be such a game changer? even the russian air force has so far been largely MIA from this conflict bc ukraine is brimming with (who'd of thought it) highly effective soviet anti-air defense systems that are great at shooting down planes. now take into consideration the fact that the russians have better versions of the same systems and way more of them, ukraine getting a few f-16s is not going to make any difference whatsoever to the trajectory of the war.

it's clear people drew the wrong conclusions about the efficacy of anti-air soviet capabilities from the gulf war, where their efficacy was underestimated due to the incompetence of saddam hussein's air-defense corps.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by John Smith on May 23^rd, 2023 at 8:51am

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 11:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:23pm:

but the fact remains, putin will prevail in the ukraine.

he simply had too many artillery shells and a much bigger population

but NATO has a combined GDP of more than $40 trillion cf Russia's $1.5 trillion, so as long as there is something to bomb in Ukraine, NATO will outlast Russia.

All that means is that once the war stops, Ukraine will go through many years of economic boom as it rebuilds.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:02am

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 23^rd, 2023 at 10:26am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:11am:

What we need to wait for is the meaning behind Zelensky's warm welcome at the G7 meeting.

What was being signalled?

Were the affirmations of support for Zelensky - the handshaking and back-slapping, the rush for photo opportunities with him - about a steadfast commitment to Ukraine's defence, or consolation?

What was the G7 signalling?

- Solidarity and commitment to aiding Ukraine to a victory?
- Consolations/commiseration for an anticipated defeat?
- A signal that Ukraine will be rescued at the cost of Western powers' hegemony in Ukraine?

In the case of a realised victory facilitated by the West, what will be the cost to Ukraine? Surrender of the south and southeast?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 23^rd, 2023 at 1:54pm

JC Denton wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 8:36am:

It will - including Kiev.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Captain Caveman on May 23^rd, 2023 at 2:35pm

aquascoot wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:02am:

He took a deal 12 months ago.
Just not a deal to talk peace, rather a deal to make peace talks illegal. :-/
Someone above him wanted this.

As for usamerica, look up Michael Yon and Darien gap.
They're crossing the borders by the truck load, all day, every day, and half of them are not poor.
These people are paying good money to someone.
The ones that pay big money don't get robbed by the natives but those that don't are open slather.
Seems the USA is open to anyone who wants to go there.
Good luck with that.
The country is going down the toilet.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 23^rd, 2023 at 3:53pm

We see the horrors of WW2 in Europe again- now in Ukraine.

They talk of winning and glory.
Both sides in WW2 committed the worst war crimes in history -
there is nothing glorious about it.
57 consecutive nights of the Blitz on Britain was a war crime
by the Nazis -
and so was the reply - to bomb nearly every city in Germany
until it was a pile of smoking rubble mostly aimed at women and children.
It was a total war where women and children were targets on both sides.
It makes me feel disgusted that I'm a human being to
think of what human beings can do to each other -
yet we see it again, right in front of us now in Ukraine.
It's as though demonic forces were there all the time -
but only hiding to reveal themselves once again.
Are human beings just pure evil?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 23^rd, 2023 at 4:47pm

Russia is just trying to protect Ukraine from the American Democrat Gay/Trans/Porn Party invasion. :D

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 23^rd, 2023 at 6:44pm

I've said a number or times, long ago. That Russia's navy is a rusted out version of the USSR and here's a present look at the Russian Navy 10 years later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIddma4UGSU

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 23^rd, 2023 at 8:53pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 3:53pm:

Would you prefer we rolled over and let the Nazis take over?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 23^rd, 2023 at 8:57pm

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 8:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 3:53pm:

Would you prefer we rolled over and let the Nazis take over?

No but was it really necessary to bomb women and children?
Do two wrongs make a right?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 23^rd, 2023 at 8:58pm

Quote:

in order for them to win an attritional victory (absurd) they have to be killing 5 russians for every 1 ukrainian

Depending on which estimates you use, they are killing between 1 and 20 Russian troops for every Ukrainian.

Why does it need to be a conventional attritional victory? When was the last war that was decided on those terms?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:00pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 8:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 3:53pm:

Would you prefer we rolled over and let the Nazis take over?

No but was it really necessary to bomb women and children?
Do two wrongs make a right?

It's war Bobby. It's not meant to be right.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:03pm

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:00pm:

It's war Bobby. It's not meant to be right.

But Jesus said we should love our enemies and
we should turn the other cheek.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:14pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:03pm:

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:00pm:

It's war Bobby. It's not meant to be right.

But Jesus said we should love our enemies and
we should turn the other cheek.

We just had this conversation bobby.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:17pm

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:03pm:

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:00pm:

It's war Bobby. It's not meant to be right.

But Jesus said we should love our enemies and
we should turn the other cheek.

We just had this conversation bobby.

But how could anyone call themselves a Christian and then bomb women and children?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:19pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:03pm:

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:00pm:

It's war Bobby. It's not meant to be right.

But Jesus said we should love our enemies and
we should turn the other cheek.

Jesus was Gay and showed both his cheeks in the name of loving his fellow men.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:34pm

Jasin wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:03pm:

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:00pm:

It's war Bobby. It's not meant to be right.

But Jesus said we should love our enemies and
we should turn the other cheek.

Jesus was Gay and showed both his cheeks in the name of loving his fellow men.

That's blasphemy. :o

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:41pm

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:23pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:12pm:

The one thing we know about your predictions, Aquascoot:

You change them. The Superior Man plays the old switcheroo, he likes a good story, him no speaka da English, spitballing.

And the other thing we know:

Putin can't possibly win. Even you know this, dear, you just can't bring yourself to say.

Yes, Master.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 23^rd, 2023 at 11:24pm

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 8:58pm:

Quote:

in order for them to win an attritional victory (absurd) they have to be killing 5 russians for every 1 ukrainian

they aren't. this is insane and retarded. relying on official MoD statements (on either side) or disseminated western "intelligence" is brainless.

the only real genuine evidence we have of russian losses come from a bbc research adjunct with a reasonable and empirically bassed metholodogy and they are not that high. roughly what you would extrapolate from estimates of artillery quantities on both sides.

Quote:

Why does it need to be a conventional attritional victory? When was the last war that was decided on those terms?

already addressed that. i said ukraine's only 'realistic' pathway to victory is political. it is possible but certainly no base case.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 24^th, 2023 at 12:07pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:34pm:

Jasin wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:03pm:

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:00pm:

It's war Bobby. It's not meant to be right.

But Jesus said we should love our enemies and
we should turn the other cheek.

Jesus was Gay and showed both his cheeks in the name of loving his fellow men.

That's blasphemy. :o

You put your faith in a pillow-biter Bobby.
Can you see the irony of it?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 24^th, 2023 at 12:51pm

Karnal wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:23pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:12pm:

define winning?

ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated?

sounds like winning to me

russian flag at bakhmut

bakhmut.jpg (12 KB | 7 )

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 24^th, 2023 at 1:08pm

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 12:51pm:

Karnal wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:23pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:12pm:

define winning?

ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated?

sounds like winning to me

russian flag at bakhmut

It's got nothing to do with "the West", dear. It's about national SoVeReIgNtY.

Remember? That's one of those universal values you once cherished, along with Brexit and building a wall from coast to shining coast.

As Zalensky just pointed out in Hiroshima, protecting Ukraine is about protecting every nation's right to survive, including Mother Russia's. We stand with Ukraine not just on principle, but a universal right.

When they came for the commies, we stood up and said ah. When they came for the Boongs we said ee. When they come for the Chows, we'll say ow. And yes, when they come for you, we'll say oo.

You?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 24^th, 2023 at 5:25pm

After half a century of warning the world about the Russian government, rabid right-wingers in the 21st Century are embracing it .

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 24^th, 2023 at 5:37pm

Quote:

ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated?

Humiliated how?

Russia is the only country being humiliated.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 24^th, 2023 at 5:54pm

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

Quote:

ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated?

Humiliated how?

Russia is the only country being humiliated.

I think he means that besides Russia 'going down'
and China in a Political/Military sense - is 'going down',
but the 'Democrat/Left (Gay/Trans/etc) Political/Media' ALLIANCE is also 'going down' with them.

I mean, when Trump turned up for America for a 'Political' fight - China suddenly caught a nasty 'Flu' and couldn't turn up for 'that' kinda political fight. ;)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:19pm

Russians, for the most part, deeply resent Ukrainian abandonment of Russian influence, notwithstanding that Russian territorial instincts have always been those of conquest and expansionism as a cure for their eternal paranoia of being invaded themselves.

Russians instil in their children stories of the 'times of troubles' (i.e. invasion) which end when a strongman rises to rid mother Russia of the invaders and saves Russia and the Russian people.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:25pm

America gives a warning to Putin in Norway:

https://www.newsinenglish.no/2023/05/23/us-norway-show-force-in-north-sea/

May 23, 2023

The USS Gerald R Ford is the largest warship ever built.

It carries a crew of 4,500 Americans along with 75 fighter jets and,
more than a dozen helicopters and other attack vessels.
They’ve been lined up on deck since the aircraft carrier sailed from its homeport in Norfolk,
Virgina on May 2, arriving first in the Danish sector of the North Sea and
then the Norwegian on Monday afternoon.
It’s due to arrive in Oslo on Wednesday May 24, 2023.

Top Norwegian defense officials, the US ambassador to Norway and two Norwegian government ministers
were all on board when the US’ huge new aircraft carrier USS Gerald R Ford sailed through the North Sea bound for Oslo this week.
It was a major show of force that the Russian Embassy in Oslo quickly branded as “illogical” and damaging.

Others would remain on board for the military exercises.
Unlike during the British aircraft carrier’s visit, when local residents could walk right up to the also-huge vessel, security will be much tighter.
The defense department issued a long list of restrictions on Tuesday.
In addition to keeping boats 500-meters away while sailing in and out of Oslo,
they’ll be ordered to remain 1,000 kilometers away while the vessel is anchored up.
A no-fly zone will be set up over the ship to an altitude of 3,000 feet and a wide area of the pier near the Akershus Fortress and Castle is due to be cordoned off.
Military guards will be out in force.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

Quote:

ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated?

Humiliated how?

Russia is the only country being humiliated.

if you solely rely on the western media.

ukraine is in rubble.
the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country
no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks
americas main response seems to have been for everyone on twitter to put the ukrainian flag in their bio.
putin will still be president long after biden quits (probably long after he dies)

i'd say it very smackimg humiliating, just how impotent the west is.

it should certainly embolden Xi

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:41pm

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country

no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks

10 to 1 those F-16s will be coming from Poland.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:44pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country

no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks

10 to 1 those F-16s will be coming from Poland.

And with secret Polish pilots. ;)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:46pm

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

Quote:

ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated?

Humiliated how?

Russia is the only country being humiliated.

It's embarrassing that we don't leap into war with one of the biggest stockpilers of nuclear weapons?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:47pm

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country

no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks

10 to 1 those F-16s will be coming from Poland.

And with secret Polish pilots. ;)

NATO won't risk non-Ukraianian pilots. If one is captured Russia would claim direct NATO engagement.

I'd bet Ukrainian pilots have already been trained on F-16s.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:49pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country

no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks

10 to 1 those F-16s will be coming from Poland.

And with secret Polish pilots. ;)

I'd bet Ukrainian pilots have already been trained on F-16s.

It takes 18 months to be any good.
Plenty of Polish pilots would be qualified -
the Poles are itching to get involved.
You heard it first from brave Bobby. ;)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:49pm

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:50pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:19pm:

It's all good in the OLD WORLDS of Russia's resilience against adversities over there in 'the past'.
But there's a NEW WORLD that changes the game.
Both Russia and France will come to resent Australia's REPLACEMENT of them.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:51pm

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:49pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country

no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks

10 to 1 those F-16s will be coming from Poland.

And with secret Polish pilots. ;)

I'd bet Ukrainian pilots have already been trained on F-16s.

It takes 18 months to be any good.
Plenty of Polish pilots would be qualified -
the Poles are itching to get involved.
You heard it first from brave Bobby. ;)

Poland cannot get involved without dragging NATO into the conflict, so there'll be no NATO pilots flying those F-16s.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:52pm

Jasin wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:19pm:

Cultural instinct doesn't change in a year.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:54pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:49pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country

no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks

10 to 1 those F-16s will be coming from Poland.

And with secret Polish pilots. ;)

I'd bet Ukrainian pilots have already been trained on F-16s.

It takes 18 months to be any good.
Plenty of Polish pilots would be qualified -
the Poles are itching to get involved.
You heard it first from brave Bobby. ;)

Poland cannot get involved without dragging NATO into the conflict, so there'll be no NATO pilots flying those F-16s.

Poland won't tell anyone. ;)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 24^th, 2023 at 7:09pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:52pm:

Jasin wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:19pm:

Cultural instinct doesn't change in a year.

No it doesn't.
222 years and the Abo's are still finding it hard - to 'change'.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 24^th, 2023 at 7:16pm

Check out this clip of a Bushmaster Vehicle demo.
As its going through a puddle of water it starts to smoke and the right blinker comes on, although its forced to pull to the left suddenly and stop. ;D ;D
Yeah - given em to Ukraine. ;D
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=australian+bushmaster+in+action&&view=detail&mid=5B4EC4241CE8C09F70BC5B4EC4241CE8C09F70BC&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Daustralian%2520bushmaster%2520in%2520action%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBVR%26%3D%2525eManage%2520Your%2520Search%2520History%2525E%26sp%3D-1%26lq%3D0%26pq%3Daustralian%2520bushmaster%2520in%2520action%26sc%3D10-31%26sk%3D%26cvid%3D9CBA86D4239D4B148DF5C9815C97CB98%26ghsh%3D0%26ghacc%3D0%26ghpl%3D

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 24^th, 2023 at 8:07pm

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

Quote:

ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated?

Humiliated how?

Russia is the only country being humiliated.

Not just humiliated, dear, thoroughly rogered.

A so-called superpower invades its nearest neighbour and gets forced back to the fringes.

Then, piece by piece, forced into retreat from that. Banished from the world, up for crimes against humanity, GDP growth back to 1990s levels, and an entire generation forced into the meatgrinder - or exile.

One thing we know, Aquascoot, you sure can pick the losing side.

Ever get the feeling you've been plundered?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 24^th, 2023 at 8:24pm

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:49pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country

no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks

10 to 1 those F-16s will be coming from Poland.

And with secret Polish pilots. ;)

I'd bet Ukrainian pilots have already been trained on F-16s.

It takes 18 months to be any good.
Plenty of Polish pilots would be qualified -
the Poles are itching to get involved.
You heard it first from brave Bobby. ;)

Poland cannot get involved without dragging NATO into the conflict, so there'll be no NATO pilots flying those F-16s.

Poland won't tell anyone. ;)

Poland doesn't need to.

I'd bet all that delay in approving F-16s in Ukraine was for the time they needed to train Ukrainian pilots.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 24^th, 2023 at 8:42pm

What does Trump say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLQ-N2O_Spo

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 24^th, 2023 at 9:05pm

If Ukraine is losing "badly," Russia is not exactly winning all that well either.

The Kinzhal hyper-sonic melodrama is helping us understand why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzCcvPvCXuI

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 24^th, 2023 at 10:01pm

issuevoter wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 9:05pm:

If Ukraine is losing "badly," Russian is not exactly winning all that well either.

The Kinzhal hyper-sonic melodrama is helping us understand why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzCcvPvCXuI

Good video -
in Russia if you design a missile that doesn't work well you
get charged with treason.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 25^th, 2023 at 12:21am

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

What does Trump say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLQ-N2O_Spo

Mr Trump says Europe is laughing at him, they think his administration was a bunch of jerks.

This has to be the most honest thing he's said yet. Everything else he said, from he got Europe to pay more to NATO to pretending he wants to save lives, is a hoax.

Your Dear Leader tried to hide a pandemic that killed more Americans than those killed in every war since Independence. He admitted that he tried to hush it up. Bob Woodward has it on tape.

Mr Trump says.

You?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 25^th, 2023 at 5:16am

Karnal wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

What does Trump say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLQ-N2O_Spo

Do you ever feel like Trump has rogered you?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 25^th, 2023 at 5:19am

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:46pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

Quote:

ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated?

Humiliated how?

Russia is the only country being humiliated.

It's embarrassing that we don't leap into war with one of the biggest stockpilers of nuclear weapons?

its embarrassing that a bunch of keyboard warriors thinks poo talking vlad on the net is winning the war ::) ::)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 25^th, 2023 at 5:23am

Karnal wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 8:07pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

Quote:

ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated?

Humiliated how?

Russia is the only country being humiliated.

depends what you are trying to win.

vlad is trying to win the power game and die in his bed , still the most feared man on the planet.
i think he may win that game

you are trying to win the "morally virtuous game" by posting your virtue to strangers on the web.

you may even think youre winning.

who knows and who cares.

but i assure you vlad has no interest in playing that game

he probably laughs his head off about the stupidity of grown men playing that game and a lot of people, if they thought about it, would also come to that realisation

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 25^th, 2023 at 5:23am

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 5:19am:

its embarrassing that a bunch of keyboard warriors thinks poo talking vlad on the net is winning the war ::) ::)

There are no winners in this war -
only death and destruction -
are there winners in any war?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:07am

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 5:23am:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 5:19am:

its embarrassing that a bunch of keyboard warriors thinks poo talking vlad on the net is winning the war ::) ::)

There are no winners in this war -
only death and destruction -
are there winners in any war?

Indeed there are bobby.

Halliburton
Lockheed Martin
Blackrock
Raytheon

Some of the major sponsors of the republican and democratic party

In the same way there are winners in the pandemic

Pfizer
Moderna
Amazon
McDonald's

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:18am

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:07am:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 5:23am:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 5:19am:

its embarrassing that a bunch of keyboard warriors thinks poo talking vlad on the net is winning the war ::) ::)

There are no winners in this war -
only death and destruction -
are there winners in any war?

You're right.
also:
the UN should have been able to solve this territorial dispute
with free and fair supervised UN run referendums in the provinces of concern.
Such democratic referendums should be available
for all disputed regions in Europe and the world.

The world can't risk WW3 over a few tiny regions
that no one had even heard of 2 years ago.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:59am

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:01am

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:59am:

Gotta better solution?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Captain Caveman on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:59am

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:01am:

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:59am:

Gotta better solution?

They want nukes.
Nukes for you, nukes for me, nukes will drop, then we'll be..... free, apparently... :o

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Captain Caveman on May 25^th, 2023 at 8:38am

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:07am:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 5:23am:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 5:19am:

its embarrassing that a bunch of keyboard warriors thinks poo talking vlad on the net is winning the war ::) ::)

There are no winners in this war -
only death and destruction -
are there winners in any war?

Don't forget Bellingcat.
One of george', if not, his favourite love child. ;)
Elon had a little to say about it the other day, and the corporate establishment doesn't like that. ;D

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 25^th, 2023 at 8:44am

Captain Caveman wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:59am:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:01am:

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:59am:

Gotta better solution?

They want nukes.
Nukes for you, nukes for me, nukes will drop, then we'll be..... free, apparently... :o

I think there is some truth to that captain

The left live in this weird sort of destructive nihilistic frustrated unhappy vortex

You only have to look at the emotional state of those with trump derangement syndrome

They look like the sort of people who have no real purpose in living

And I think there is part of this psychology that craves an Armageddon

They probably should be careful what they wish for :P :P

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Captain Caveman on May 25^th, 2023 at 9:12am

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 8:44am:

Captain Caveman wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:59am:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:01am:

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:59am:

Gotta better solution?

They want nukes.
Nukes for you, nukes for me, nukes will drop, then we'll be..... free, apparently... :o

The corporations that run these world events use it to keep humans focussed on dispair, while they change laws, implement new stratagies to make more profit at the cost of our freedom.

rockerfeller made a speech back in the late 80s early 90s thanking the media and its constituents for their desgression in allowing he, and his constituents to implement world changing practices.
rockerfeller did not have our best interests at heart, his only concern was profit and total control in making more profit.
If people were awake to this back then, we would have risen up and fought back.
Now we just keep getting our freedoms demolished.

Humans are addicted to being controlled.
Most obey without hesitation, and do not ask questions.
In fact, those that ask questions are silenced and labelled. It's the CIA playbook.

MK Ultra is alive and well.
Just watch who bites. They're sufferers and cannot see the truth because of their underlying fear.
The same people believe laws are for honest people, when in fact, laws protect criminals.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 25^th, 2023 at 9:16am

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 5:16am:

Karnal wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

What does Trump say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLQ-N2O_Spo

Do you ever feel like Trump has rogered you?

Of course not. We were wised up from the beginning. We tried to set you straight too, remember?

Not easy, we're a little understaffed. I do feel we'd need a priest - and a conversion therapist.

You?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 25^th, 2023 at 9:30am

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 5:23am:

Karnal wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 8:07pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

Quote:

ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated?

Humiliated how?

Russia is the only country being humiliated.

Vlad has an orthodox chapel in his own house, dear. He's tried to signal his virtue harder than any of your Dear Leaders. He's taken over the entire Russian media for that very aim.

Devout, macho, barechested, riding bareback over the Siberian steppe. The truth is Vlad's a career public servant who's divided Russia amongst his friends for the skim.

Depends what you are trying to win, no?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 25^th, 2023 at 9:48am

The progress of the Ukraine war will be a choreographed result of diplomatic secret negotiations and political rule-setting.

Given the shoulder-patting that Zelensky got from Biden, Trudeau and Sunak etc, I'd bet they were signalling that Zelensky needed a sit-down with them to let him know who's in charge.

Whether it was about the Belgorod incident, other Ukrainian incursions into Russia, or something else, we may never find out, but one thing's for certain: the shoulder-rubbing, apparent camaraderie, shown to Zelensky was not reciprocated by him.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 25^th, 2023 at 9:48am

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 25^th, 2023 at 10:29am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 9:48am:

I don't think the unreciprocated shoulder-pats are indicative what Zelensky may have on his mind. It would look pretty odd if he did. He did not even need to be there. Most of it was for the Chinese Communists' benefit. "You want us to arm Taiwan like this?"

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 25^th, 2023 at 10:36am

issuevoter wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 10:29am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 9:48am:

Zelensky wasn't the one doing the shoulder-patting.

Shoulder-patting is a gesture indicating a power differential.

It involves an uninvited intrusion into the subject's personal space without the expectation or invitation to reciprocate.

If you note Zelensky's facial expressions, it appears they weren't about happiness to be there or a meeting of equals.

Sunak rubbed it in further by sitting across from Zelensky in the pose of a faithful pet dog - something that was likely by its intended mockery to humiliate Zelensky even more.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 25^th, 2023 at 10:48am

It's probable that Zelensky's sudden summoning to the G7 was to warn him that incursions into Russia will no longer be tolerated - they break the diplomatic negotiation and political rule-setting NATO and Putin have agreed to.

The problem for Zelensky is that Kyiv likely does not control the southern far-right militant groups, the actions of which, as Ukraine's president and commander-in-chief, he is being held accountable for.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:04am

And why did France 'give him a ride' to Hiroshima?

Did Macron draw the shortest straw, or lose at rock, paper, scissors?

What was Macron signalling to Zelensky and the world?

Was Macron giving a ride to a friend of France... Or a frenemy?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:20am

Captain Caveman wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 9:12am:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 8:44am:

Captain Caveman wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:59am:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:01am:

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:59am:

Gotta better solution?

They want nukes.
Nukes for you, nukes for me, nukes will drop, then we'll be..... free, apparently... :o

That post is worth studying for at least 5 years

Unfortunately thanks to addiction to mind-numbing social media
Thanks to addiction.to processed food which destroys critical thinking
Thanks to addiction.to the mainstream media who parrot a narrative of polarisation anxiety and depression
Thanks to big pharma who require you to be sick so they can farm you

There is really very little chance your average chode will understand

It's simpler for the average chode to just hand over his freedom to an authority figure
He is not so much enslaved as he voluntarily enters the prison cell and lock the door behind him
Valuing only safety and mediocrity

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:24am

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

There is really very little chance your average chode will understand

It's simpler for the average chode to just hand over his freedom to an authority figure
He is not so much enslaved as he voluntarily enters the prison cell and lock the door behind him
Valuing only safety and mediocrity

What makes you so sure you're not being manipulated into feeling superior to your average chode?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 25^th, 2023 at 12:21pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:24am:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

What makes you so sure you're not being manipulated into feeling superior to your average chode?

define superior.

i think you can objectively say you are more physically and emotionally fit then average.
i think thats objectifiable.

but a chode may view wanking on weed as superior to running a small business and doing the kokoda trail as a holiday.

if so, good for him.

like i said to matty fisk.

many lefties view themselves through the lens of how others "like them"
they are a bit shakey and their basic question is "do you like me"

they cant understand the mindset of a trump or a putin who could not give a flying fig about that question.

its why all the wailing and gnashing of teeth on the net directed at trump or putin says a lot about the people doing the gnashing .
mainly that they are reactive and time wasters with little direction in life.
they would actually be more productive if they spent their time wanking on weed ::) ::)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 25^th, 2023 at 12:27pm

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 12:21pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:24am:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

What makes you so sure you're not being manipulated into feeling superior to your average chode?

Lol ;D

That's what criminal defendant Trump lives for.

He has a voracious hunger to be liked.

"I know something about Donald Trump," Stern said on his radio show recently.

"He really does want to be loved, he does want people to really love him, that drives him a lot. I think he has a very sensitive ego. And when you’re president of the United States people are going to be very, very critica,l and I think in his mind right now he’s saying 'I want to protect the country'… I think his motive is 'People will love me because I’m going to keep terrorists out of the country.' I think he’s genuinely shocked when people come back and say, 'Wait a second, there’s more to this.'"

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 25^th, 2023 at 12:32pm

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 12:21pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:24am:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

What makes you so sure you're not being manipulated into feeling superior to your average chode?

So you've evaded the question, (What makes you so sure you're not being manipulated into feeling superior to your average chode?), with a strawman.

Feeling superior is what you feel when you have a sense of certainty that your thoughts, acts and deeds are of greater worth/ on higher moral/social ground, than another's.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 25^th, 2023 at 1:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 12:21pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:24am:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

What makes you so sure you're not being manipulated into feeling superior to your average chode?

i'd disagree with that

people like trudeau and clinton and obama want to be liked.

in trumps case, he seems a prickley bugger whose 'act' is "performative

he craves the limelight, but wanting to be liked?

no , he just wants to be noticed

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 25^th, 2023 at 1:53pm

Karnal wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 9:16am:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 5:16am:

Karnal wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

What does Trump say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLQ-N2O_Spo

Do you ever feel like Trump has rogered you?

I think Trump has had a piece of you:

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 25^th, 2023 at 1:55pm

Aquascoot said "... in Trump's case, ... he just wants to be noticed ..."

US justice systems have noticed Donald Trump, but he doesn't seem to like that.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 25^th, 2023 at 1:59pm

This article says Ukraine is winning?

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/24/europe/wagner-prigozhin-russia-manpower-ukraine-intl/index.html

Wagner chief warns Russians could revolt if invasion continues to struggle

By Rob Picheta and Mariya Knight, CNN
Published 2:37 PM EDT, Wed May 24, 2023

CNN —

A new “revolution” could rock Russia if its stuttering war effort in Ukraine continues, the chief of private military group Wagner has said, in a scathing assessment of Moscow’s military readiness that could further expose divisions in Russian President Vladimir Putin’s military hierarchy.

Yevgeny Prigozhin said in an interview with Konstantin Dolgov, a pro-Russian blogger, that Moscow’s troops are unprepared to resist forces loyal to Kyiv even when they enter Russian territory.

He also praised the capabilities of the Ukrainian army, and urged Moscow to escalate its war effort if it wants to avoid a long and costly conflict.

“I believe Ukrainians today are one of the strongest armies in the world,” Prigozhin said. He called Kyiv’s forces “highly organized, highly trained and their intelligence is on the highest level, they can operate any military system with equal success, a Soviet or a NATO one.”

In recent days Moscow suffered embarrassment when a group of anti-Putin Russians entered the Belgorod region in an incursion that caused anger and confusion among Russia’s influential military analysts. Asked about the incident, Prigozhin said Russian defense forces are “absolutely not ready to resist them in any shape or form.”

.............

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 25^th, 2023 at 2:01pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 1:55pm:

Aquascoot said "... in Trump's case, ... he just wants to be noticed ..."

US justice systems have noticed Donald Trump, but he doesn't seem to like that.

Lol ;D

No, he certainly doesn't like it.

So much so that he's written a letter to Merrick Garland alleging that he's being treated unfairly, and begging the DOJ not to prosecute him.

Poor widdle diddums.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 25^th, 2023 at 2:05pm

This article says Ukraine is winning?

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/24/europe/wagner-prigozhin-russia-manpower-ukraine-intl/index.html

Wagner chief warns Russians could revolt if invasion continues to struggle

By Rob Picheta and Mariya Knight, CNN
Published 2:37 PM EDT, Wed May 24, 2023

CNN —

A new “revolution” could rock Russia if its stuttering war effort in Ukraine continues, the chief of private military group Wagner has said, in a scathing assessment of Moscow’s military readiness that could further expose divisions in Russian President Vladimir Putin’s military hierarchy.

Yevgeny Prigozhin said in an interview with Konstantin Dolgov, a pro-Russian blogger, that Moscow’s troops are unprepared to resist forces loyal to Kyiv even when they enter Russian territory.

He also praised the capabilities of the Ukrainian army, and urged Moscow to escalate its war effort if it wants to avoid a long and costly conflict.

“I believe Ukrainians today are one of the strongest armies in the world,” Prigozhin said.
He called Kyiv’s forces “highly organized, highly trained and their intelligence is on the highest level, they can operate any military system with equal success, a Soviet or a NATO one.”

In recent days Moscow suffered embarrassment when a group of anti-Putin Russians entered the Belgorod region in an incursion that caused anger and confusion among Russia’s influential military analysts. Asked about the incident, Prigozhin said Russian defense forces are “absolutely not ready to resist them in any shape or form.”

.............

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 25^th, 2023 at 2:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 2:01pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 1:55pm:

Aquascoot said "... in Trump's case, ... he just wants to be noticed ..."

US justice systems have noticed Donald Trump, but he doesn't seem to like that.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 25^th, 2023 at 2:32pm

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 1:59pm:

bobby

this is what i mean about "you cant trust the mainstream media"

maria knight churns out an article every 3 days about how wonderful ukraine is doing.

she is like goebels in berlin in 1945 churning out articles about how the russians are being slaughtered in the streets of berlin.

its just propaganda my friend

May 9, 2023 - Russia-Ukraine news

CNN.com
https://edition.cnn.com › europe › live-news › russia-ukr...
Mariya Knight background cnn from edition.cnn.com
9 May 2023 — Ukraine shoots down more than a dozen cruise missiles over Kyiv, military says. From CNN's Mariya Knight.

May 8, 2023 - Russia-Ukraine news

CNN.com
https://edition.cnn.com › europe › live-news › russia-ukr...
8 May 2023 — According to his biography on the movement website, he previously held government positions ... By Mariya Knight and Josh Pennington, CNN ...

May 9, 2023 - Russia-Ukraine news

CNN.com
https://edition.cnn.com › europe › live-news › russia-ukr...
9 May 2023 — UN says no grain ships inspected for 2 days as Ukraine blames Russia for delays. From CNN's Richard Roth, Hande Atay, Mariya Knight and Jen ...

May 9, 2023 - Russia-Ukraine news

CNN.com
https://edition.cnn.com › europe › live-news › russia-ukr...
9 May 2023 — A Ukrainian service member walks near residential buildings damaged by a Russian military strike in Bakhmut, Ukraine, on April 21.

May 8, 2023 - Russia-Ukraine news

CNN.com
https://edition.cnn.com › europe › live-news › russia-u...
8 May 2023 — Ukrainian official claims Russian soldiers are trying to leave Zaporizhzhia disguised as civilians. From CNN's Mariya Knight and Kostan ...

April 30, 2023 Russia-Ukraine news

CNN.com
https://edition.cnn.com › europe › live-news › russia-ukr...
Mariya Knight background cnn from edition.cnn.com
30 Apr 2023 — Russia replaces its top logistics commander as Ukrainian counteroffensive looms. From CNN's Mariya Knight and Tim Lister.

April 27, 2023 - Russia-Ukraine news

CNN.com
https://edition.cnn.com › europe › live-news › russia-u...
Mariya Knight background cnn from edition.cnn.com
27 Apr 2023 — From CNN's Mariya Knight. Volodymyr Zelensky attends a news conference in Zhytomyr, Ukraine on April 24. (Andrew Kravchenko/AP).
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Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 25^th, 2023 at 2:41pm

Aqua,

Quote:

The first casualty of war is the truth.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 25^th, 2023 at 3:05pm

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 2:41pm:

Aqua,

Quote:

The first casualty of war is the truth.

even long after the war is over.

the mainstream media pushed the 'weapons of mass destruction " lie for a decade.

have they ever apologised.?

no ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 25^th, 2023 at 5:59pm

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

Captain Caveman wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 9:12am:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 8:44am:

Captain Caveman wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:59am:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:01am:

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:59am:

Gotta better solution?

They want nukes.
Nukes for you, nukes for me, nukes will drop, then we'll be..... free, apparently... :o

What's really worth studying is how people in prosperous, peaceful and democratic countries can fall for kleptocratic Dear Leaders in authoritarian regimes. No civil liberties, no democratic rights or free speech, and now, no integration with the outside world, nothing. No foreign financial transfers or easy foreign travel. No Google, no Maccas, you can't even buy from Ebay. Cannon fodder.

That you would give up what you have for this is worth a PhD thesis at least. But do you know?

You wouldn't. As ever, you're spitballing.

Ever get the feeling you've been spotted?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:07pm

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 3:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 2:41pm:

Aqua,

Quote:

The first casualty of war is the truth.

even long after the war is over.

the mainstream media pushed the 'weapons of mass destruction " lie for a decade.

have they ever apologised.?

no ::) ::) ::) ::)

Fox probably didn't. CNN, BBC, the Washington Post all did. Here's the New York Times in one of a hundred apology editorials from the mainstream media:

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/world/from-the-editors-the-times-and-iraq.html

Has Pravda and Sputnik ever apologised for Vlad?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by freediver on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:55pm

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 2:41pm:

Aqua,

Quote:

The first casualty of war is the truth.

Didn't you once tell me that it is a journalist's job to repeat what they read online, and it is everyone else's job to figure out whether it is true?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:08pm

So what really went on at the G7?

Zelensky's entourage either won't look at Macron or they're staring him down.

And check out Macron's expression as he shakes hands with Zelensky at the end.

Did Zelensky's comment irritate Macron?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV9eDpWDpLo

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:28pm

interesting

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:39pm

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 3:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 2:41pm:

Aqua,

Quote:

The first casualty of war is the truth.

even long after the war is over.

the mainstream media pushed the 'weapons of mass destruction " lie for a decade.

have they ever apologised.?

no ::) ::) ::) ::)

The media says what the Deep State tells them to say.

Drain the swamp.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:50pm

Excellent 2 hour 20 minute doco on the Battle of Britain.

It reminds me of Ukraine where they defend even though they are outnumbered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrzUW7EE92w

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 26^th, 2023 at 12:24am

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:39pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 3:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 2:41pm:

Aqua,

Quote:

The first casualty of war is the truth.

even long after the war is over.

the mainstream media pushed the 'weapons of mass destruction " lie for a decade.

have they ever apologised.?

no ::) ::) ::) ::)

The media says what the Deep State tells them to say.

Drain the swamp.

Bobby keeps virtue signalling you, Aquascoot.

Do you want to give him a kiss?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 26^th, 2023 at 5:39am

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 2:41pm:

Aqua,

Quote:

The first casualty of war is the truth.

Didn't you once tell me that it is a journalist's job to repeat what they read online,
and it is everyone else's job to figure out whether it is true?

I think I did.
I mostly link the readers here to quality websites such as the BBC and CNN.
I take no responsibility if those sites are wrong -
which sometimes they are - but it's very rare.

I am a messenger and also a martyr for the truth online.

namaste

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:07am

Bobby. wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 5:39am:

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 2:41pm:

Aqua,

Quote:

The first casualty of war is the truth.

Didn't you once tell me that it is a journalist's job to repeat what they read online,
and it is everyone else's job to figure out whether it is true?

I think I did.
I mostly link the readers here to quality websites such as the BBC and CNN.
I take no responsibility if those sites are wrong -
which sometimes they - are but it's very rare.

I am a messenger and also a martyr for the truth online.

namaste

impossible to know what the truth is nowadays bobby.

with chat gpt and deep fakes, soon the internet will just feed you stories based on the "agenda" of those with the most $$$$$ to control the flow of information.

you can try to get a good spectrum by "steel manning" your opponents.

i should try to find 10 things i like about biden and zelensky
mattyfisk should try to find 10 things he likes about trump and putin.

very few people will genuinely do that work

people have a desire not to waste energy on things they dont like.

its called "following the path of least resistance"

matty fisk and gweggy follow this path (the path of the inferior man)

if you want to build the strength to not just do whats easy, you have to train yourself to do whats hard.

heres a couple of things you can do to build your mental strength

1. ice baths and cold immersions
2 intermittent fasting (one day a week of no food from 6 am to 6 pm
3 3 x 3 minutes of maximal sprints every second day ( i do mine up my driveway)
4 gratitude training (kneeling before your fridge)
5 no gossiping , triangulating or poo talking on any person in your social sphere
6 join a hard volunteer organisation (ses, bush fire brigade etc)

if you can train yourself to do hard things you wont be the sort of weak pussy who is too lazy to look at both sides of the arguement

sure putin is a bad man but he is totally understandable
sure zelensky has some good points but he is also a disaster for many of his citizens

the media wont tell you that because people dont want the healthy brocholli type news
they want the juicy sugary spicy junk food type stories.

you are better then that

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:15am

Dear Aqua,
more people need to follow your advice.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 26^th, 2023 at 8:43am

Quote:

Mattyfisk posted

Not just humiliated, dear, thoroughly rogered.

A so-called superpower invades its nearest neighbour and gets forced back to the fringes.

Then, piece by piece, forced into retreat from that. Banished from the world, up for crimes against humanity, GDP growth back to 1990s levels, and an entire generation forced into the meatgrinder - or exile.

One thing we know, Aquascoot, you sure can pick the losing side.

Ever get the feeling you've been plundered?

wot?

on the GDP thing, how is that true? isn't the russian federation's gdp projected to grow this year more than most european countries?

who called the russian federation a superpower? you are conflating it with the soviet union which is not the same thing. why do so few people understand the 'superpower' concept

banished from the world? you mean a few western countries - most of the world is located in south and east asia, latin america and africa, and the rf is certainly not 'banished' from those places. india and china a piece are about a third of the world's population - the indian govt is ambivalent towards the russian federation, with some people there telling me the average indian person supports it somewhat (go look at what the hindustani times publishes on its yt channel), same is true in china. it's one of the reasons these allegedly devastating sanctions have had such a minimal impact.

an entire generation? the force the russians are deploying in ukraine is relatively small -- way too small in my opinion -- and even of the 300,000 recently mobilised, most are still being held in reserve. this is pure projection, it's the ukrainians sacrificing most of their young male population.

what is this absolute bullsh1t karnal lol

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 26^th, 2023 at 9:56am

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:07am:

impossible to know what the truth is nowadays

How has it ever been possible to know truth - necessarily free of information deficit, cultural/moral proscriptions or personal bias?

It's the 'unknown-unknowns' that form the unbridgable abyss between the truth-seeker and the truth.

But you're not arguing for what's true as much as you're arguing for what's best.

There's the true (whatever that is) and then there's the good.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:14am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 9:56am:

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:07am:

impossible to know what the truth is nowadays

I'm stealing this from Jordan Peterson
But he had some good things to say about the influence of the American pragmatists on the constitution

You basically run with a idea
See if it works
And if it does you can assume it is true enough

This would be one of my issues with the big food industry
The social media platforms
The pharmaceutical industry

We have run the experiment
And people are in general fatter
More mentally unhealthy
Having their healthspan expire two decades earlier than their lifespan
When this never used to be the case

So rather than get lost in the weeds
I think we can look at these three industries and say
They are not true

We could then looked at the military industrial complex
The invasions of Iraq Afghanistan
Vietnam Libya
And see whether they produced the desired results
Inasmuch as they don't they are also untruthful enterprises

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:18am

JC Denton wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 8:43am:

Quote:

Carmel and many like him are practising more or a religion
Then an honest assessment

I think there is really nothing that Putin or trump could do
That would alter their mind about Putin or trump
That sort of concrete thinking is in no way different from a fundamentalist religious perspective

The left are very prone to this sort of analysis

The right not so much
If you run a small business or you are a small tradesman
You are constantly rubbing up against people and market forces
At this forces you to keep your sanity

There are no such forces operating on the lone wolf social justice keyboard warrior

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:24am

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:14am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 9:56am:

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:07am:

impossible to know what the truth is nowadays

I'm stealing this from Jordan Peterson

Unfortunately, Peterson tends to be intellectually dishonest if it augments the point he's trying to make.

For example, he admits that Dostoevsky's narratives and characters are not literally true, but they highlight insights into human nature. But when he's on his religious rant (where he's at his most unhinged), he makes grandiose claims that the Book of Exodus is 'so true it's still happening today' (whatever that's supposed to mean). He will not concede that Exodus is 'true' the way Dostoevsky's works are 'true'.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:32am

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:14am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 9:56am:

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:07am:

impossible to know what the truth is nowadays

You basically run with a idea
See if it works
And if it does you can assume it is true enough

Careful! That'sa forumla for a 'noble lie' - One that ma suit you at the cost of others' wellbeing - i.e. propaganda / dogma.

Who gets to decide what's true enough?

How much truth is necessary for a proposition to be true enough?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:39am

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:18am:

JC Denton wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 8:43am:

Quote:

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the "right" are just as stupid on ukraine as the left have been, the british have a conservative govt atm and they're the most bullish actors on the continent against the RF

it's unlikely trump would have done any differently than biden has had he been in office when this started, some neocon hawk would have said something flattering about him and he'd of given them free licence afterwards to arm ukraine with whatever it wanted 8-)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 26^th, 2023 at 1:25pm

My take on Zelensky's G7 attendance:

The G7, and other world powers, have determined that the Ukraine war is at a stalemate. Any further prosecution of the war would be tantamount to genocide.

Zelensky was summoned to the G7 meeting against his will.

Zelensky was told that Ukrainian incursions into Russia whether by the Ukrainian army or non-aligned pro-Ukraine separatists will not be tolerated, and that it's on Zelensky to rein in the separatists.

Zelensky was told that the southeast and Crimea will be demarcated as a Russian-occupied zone pending a diplomatic outcome.

For that, Zelensky will get F-16s and a continued supply of materiel to defend the remaining Ukraine territory.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:00pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:32am:

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:14am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 9:56am:

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:07am:

impossible to know what the truth is nowadays

You basically run with a idea
See if it works
And if it does you can assume it is true enough

i'd say the exact opposite.

if , for instance , canberra says that the truth is , we are going to spend 10 billion a year on aboriginal policies that will close the gap and , after 5 years, we see that aborigines have gone backwards on 17 of the 19 parameters used to measure 'closing the gap' then we can establish that as a lie.

you can put forward a hypothesis
run the experiment and then establish the truth of the matter.

we decided to allow our health system to become run by doctors trained only in treating the symptoms of disease and in big phamra producing medications for them to use.

they said "the truth is that this will improve health"

now, after 40 years or so of big pharma, hospital yealth model peoples life expectancy has gone up by 5 years BUT the average person has a debilitating illness of some sort for the last 20 years of their life as opposed to 4 years baack in 1980.

so health span (the number of years you can remain active, play cricket with the grankids, have sex, walk the dog etc) has gone backwards by 11 years.

so that was a LIE and we need to rethink health and see gyms as health care centres and hospitals as money making ventures for the medical pharma complex.

the data are pretty clear. if you want to be pragmatic about it

this is the way to establish truth

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:21pm

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

they said "the truth is that this will improve health"

Predictions are utterances of faith, not truth.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:10pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

they said "the truth is that this will improve health"

Predictions are utterances of faith, not truth.

Not when they are based on the facts of the past.

What the Germans did to the Jews (because of what they did to Jesus long ago).
The Moslems will do to the French (because of what Mohommed did long ago).

What goes around, comes around (on this spherical world).
Fact!

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:14pm

JC Denton wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 8:43am:

Quote:

Russia has lost an entire generation of smart workers, dear, lost either to exile or the war.

Banished from Europe, where it was economically integrated. It now has to sell more oil to China and India for less, and this deal is far from sustainable. No country wants to be a fossil fuel economy alone. The gulf states are doing everything they can to diversify and get out.

Russia is on the UN Security Council with veto powers. That's a superpower.

GDP-growth is down, with Russia's own accounts far from believable. Russian foreign reserves have been frozen, billions in capital lost, the foreign wealth of it's entire kleptocracy seized. There's no Western foreign investment or trade, and an over-reliance on one fickle fair-weather friend: Chi-na.

The West has locked Russia out, with sanctions biting hard:

[url]The evidence presented here suggests that these measures have been highly effective since, perhaps, mid-2022 and that the Russian economy by the end of 2023 will be in serious difficulties. By this time, it may become clear whether the war on Ukraine can be maintained militarily and whether the Russian regime in its current form will survive.[/url]

https://www.economicsobservatory.com/what-is-the-current-state-of-the-russian-economy-under-sanctions

This is not bullshit, dear, it's the truth. If you want to see how insulated economies survive with a sole reliance on China, look at North Korea.

The damage to Russian soft power, of course, is incalculable. Its former Soviet satelites are looking for friends elsewhere, China is soaking them in. It has become personal, the world turning on Russian people too. Outside Russia, Russians can't apologise enough. Russians have become the new Germans.

On the hard power front, Finland has joined NATO, Sweden's nearly there, and Europe's increasing weapons spending. Trump couldn't do this - Putin could.

Don't kid yourself, JC. Fuck with the G7, this is what you get. Remember this: it used to be the G8.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Dnarever on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:15pm

JC Denton wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:18am:

JC Denton wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 8:43am:

Quote:

it's unlikely trump would have done any differently than biden has

Trump had 4 years of Pro Trump decision making, Russia supported Trumps election campaign and have already announced that they are on team Trump for 2024.

Trump would have been supporting the Russian invasion just as the Trump solution to the invasion is to give Russia much of Ukraines land.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:19pm

Jasin wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

they said "the truth is that this will improve health"

Predictions are utterances of faith, not truth.

Why do you think that Jews did anything to Jesus? Why do you think it's a fact?

Moslems? The French? Mohammed? Did they walk into a bar?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:21pm

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 11:18am:

JC Denton wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 8:43am:

Quote:

Sorry, dear, did you just mean honest assessment?

Or spitballing?

I'm curious. The Superior Man's a bit of a bullshitartist. He used to be religious (worshipping his fridge). He now worships state-funded populists - the "noble Vlad", Xi, the big fella we dare not name (TDS).

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:22pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:19pm:

Jasin wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

they said "the truth is that this will improve health"

Predictions are utterances of faith, not truth.

Why do you think that Jews did anything to Jesus? Why do you think it's a fact?

Moslems? The French? Mohammed? Did they walk into a bar?

We used to blame Islam.

Ah, the good old days, no?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:27pm

Quote:

i think all this doomering is mostly b.s

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/uk-recession-economy-g7-imf-warning-b2272434.html

russia is not 'solely reliant' on china, which i noted in my post above, north korea is not comparable to a state that is greatly self-sufficient in commodities and rsources because it is a small hermetically sealed command economy fiefdom with an enormous preponderance of its economy spent on the military - and even then, it's still pretty orderly as far as places go, because koreans are koreans regardless of the economic system they're under

you should know of all people that the economic centre of the world has been shifting away from the united states and europe for a very long time now. asians don't give a f*k about ukraine, and even NATO states/allies (such as turkey, which now has a larger economy than italy) don't really care either, even if they formally pay it lip service in rhetoric here and there. it's funny how an actual racist like myself has a less patronising and whitey-centric view of the world than an intersectionaist like you! but we know who the real white supremacists are deep down.

look at iran by comparison - which is more analogous to russia than north korea (and still not even) for an effect on these incredible sanctions you're touting as so devasting. iran isnt so bad is it?

i think you'll find russia will mostly be 'fine', and that you're just believing what you want to based on what you would like to happen, rather than what is likely to happen, because the invasion of ukraine is emotionally distressing to you for some reason. i personally don't care that much who wins - i think putin is complacent and a submediocre warlord - ukraine has some pathway to victory but it depends more internally on russia - and putin himself - than whatever it itself does.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:44pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:19pm:

Jasin wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

they said "the truth is that this will improve health"

Predictions are utterances of faith, not truth.

Why do you think that Jews did anything to Jesus? Why do you think it's a fact?

Moslems? The French? Mohammed? Did they walk into a bar?

;D
You really have no idea don't you?
Must be hard seeing a world through only Western &/or Media eyes.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 26^th, 2023 at 8:02pm

Jasin wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:19pm:

Jasin wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

they said "the truth is that this will improve health"

Predictions are utterances of faith, not truth.

Why do you think that Jews did anything to Jesus? Why do you think it's a fact?

Moslems? The French? Mohammed? Did they walk into a bar?

;D
You really have no idea don't you?
Must be hard seeing a world through only Western &/or Media eyes.

If you think you're not seeing the world through a Western filter, you don't get to blame the Jews for killing Jesus.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 26^th, 2023 at 8:03pm

If that's how you see it. Then good for you Blinkers.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 26^th, 2023 at 9:10pm

JC Denton wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:27pm:

Quote:

That's right, JS, for some reason.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 26^th, 2023 at 10:12pm

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:07am:

Bobby. wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 5:39am:

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 2:41pm:

Aqua,

Quote:

The first casualty of war is the truth.

Didn't you once tell me that it is a journalist's job to repeat what they read online,
and it is everyone else's job to figure out whether it is true?

And yet, for some reason, you support Dear Leaders who live in the lap of luxury.

Putin's Palace has $15,000 toilet brushes. The big fella flies around in a private jet with a gold toilet no one else is allowed to take a dump in.

Your Dear Leaders live the softest lives imaginable, and there's poor old you in your hair shirts, taking your cold showers.

But then, you're not, no? You're just chirping to the chodes, spitballing. Like the "noble Vlad", you just want everybody else taking cold showers and eating porridge.

That's what we call virtue signalling.

You?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 26^th, 2023 at 10:36pm

17,107 views May 26, 2023

Top leaders at the Pentagon are defending their decision to hold off US support for F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine. Initially reluctant, the US and other NATO countries recently agreed to allow Ukrainian pilots to receive training to fly F-16 fighters. However, none has yet committed to hand over any planes. US defence secretary said he hopes that training for Ukrainian pilots on American-made F-16 jets will begin in the coming weeks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRHmb-rlDmg

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 27^th, 2023 at 5:24am

Karnal wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:07am:

Bobby. wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 5:39am:

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 2:41pm:

Aqua,

Quote:

The first casualty of war is the truth.

Didn't you once tell me that it is a journalist's job to repeat what they read online,
and it is everyone else's job to figure out whether it is true?

incorrect

donny or vlad could have just done what many rich businessmen do.

bang hookers, play golf and keep a low profile.

instead they put on the "hair shirt" of leadership and put an enormous target on their backs

trump did 30 off the cuff stadium speeches in 30 days for hours at a time.

thats brutal.

that would cause most mortals to have a nervous breakdown

both vlad and donny face the real prospect of assasination.

they bounce out of bed to act

you bounce out of bed to react

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 27^th, 2023 at 5:29am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

they said "the truth is that this will improve health"

Predictions are utterances of faith, not truth.

when bob hawke says
no child will be living in poverty in 2000, you cant call that a lie until you see how it plays out

when john hoard says there will be no gst under a government i lead, you cant immediately call that a lie.

when colin powell says that sadam has weapons of mass destruction , again, you cant tell.
when rachel maddow says that you cant spread covid once you get jabbed, we still had to wait and see if that was a lie or not
when cnn say ukraine is winning and the hindu times say russia is winning, how can you tell.

you will find out in 12 months (maybe less).

my prediction, which i believe to be true is that ukraine will have to give up some territory and zelensky will go to hollywood.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 27^th, 2023 at 6:19am

Aqua,

Quote:

when bob hawke says
no child will be living in poverty in 2000, you cant call that a lie until you see how it plays out

Actually he said -

by 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPVggu-DgrQ

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 27^th, 2023 at 7:30am

aquascoot wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 5:29am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

they said "the truth is that this will improve health"

Predictions are utterances of faith, not truth.

Statments of faith can be made in good faith, some can be made in blind faith, while others can be made in bad faith out of cynicism or to deceive.

No prediction can claim truth - there's an indestructible chasm of doubt and uncertainty between the predictor and the future outcome.

Political predictions usually have an element of cynicism to them or, at the very least, use rhetoric to bolster optimism.

Hawke and Maddow could not claim any sense of certainty that their respective prediction was based on sound evidence.

Howard and Powell knew they were lying.

CNN and the Hindustan Times (as with all media) generally operate within rules and guidelines which restrict what they can report and how they can report it.

My honest opinion is that, yes, Ukraine will need to cede territory to see an end to this war, as Finland did. Russians can accept negotiated settlements that result in their acquiring some land by conquest in lieu of a complete victory. They tend to play the long game when it comes to war and bacon-slicing the enemy's territory has been, historically speaking, acceptable to them.

I believe that Zelensky as commander-in-chief has gone so far in his defence of Ukraine that, unless he is rejected by the Ukrainian people, he will not leave Ukraine and will remain as president of whatever is left of Ukraine until he is voted out, ousted from power or killed in defence of Ukraine.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 27^th, 2023 at 11:53am

aquascoot wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 5:24am:

Karnal wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 7:07am:

Bobby. wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 5:39am:

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 2:41pm:

Aqua,
[quote]bobby

this is what i mean about "you cant trust the mainstream media"

maria knight churns out an article every 3 days about how wonderful ukraine is doing.

she is like goebels in berlin in 1945 churning out articles about how the russians are being slaughtered in the streets of berlin.

its just propaganda my friend

The first casualty of war is the truth.

Didn't you once tell me that it is a journalist's job to repeat what they read online,
and it is everyone else's job to figure out whether it is true?

I think I did
with chat gpt and deep fakes, soon the internet will just feed you stories based on the "agenda" of those with the most $$$$$ to control the flow of information.

you can try to get a good spectrum by "steel manning" your opponents.

i should try to find 10 things i like about biden and zelensky
mattyfisk should try to find 10 things he likes about trump and putin.

very few people will genuinely do that work

people have a desire not to waste energy on things they dont like.

its called "following the path of least resistance"

matty fisk and gweggy follow this path (the path of the inferior man)

if you want to build the strength to not just do whats easy, you have to train yourself to do whats hard.

heres a couple of things you can do to build your mental strength

1. ice baths and cold immersions
2 intermittent fasting (one day a week of no food from 6 am to 6 pm
3 3 x 3 minutes of maximal sprints every second day ( i do mine up my driveway)
4 gratitude training (kneeling before your fridge)
5 no gossiping , triangulating or poo talking on any person in your social sphere
6 join a hard volunteer organisation (ses, bush fire brigade etc)

if you can train yourself to do hard things you wont be the sort of weak pussy who is too lazy to look at both sides of the arguement

sure putin is a bad man but he is totally understandable
sure zelensky has some good points but he is also a disaster for many of his citizens

the media wont tell you that because people dont want the healthy brocholli type news
they want the juicy sugary spicy junk food type stories.

you are better then that

Vlad's a career public servant, dear. Apart from a short stint in organised crime as a boy, Vlad's only ever been employed by the state.

Donnie does no such thing. His campaign stops are orchestrated events where he arrives to God Bless the USA, points at the crowd for ten minutes, speaks a prepared speech for 50 minutes, fist pumps to YMCA, then goes back to the bedroom in his jet for 40 winks. Donnie was the laziest prez America's had.

You like them because they're authoritarians: far-right nationalists who stand against Western democracy. This is precisely the reason we react. We like our democracy. Some of us work for it. Many of our ancestors fought for it. You're spewing krap in an attempt to do away with it.

We cherish our civil liberties. You'd do away with them in a flash The first thing you abandon is the truth. It's all downhill from there.

Russia is not winning this war. In the past year, it has retreated. Russia holds little "occupied" territory. In all the provinces it captured after 2022, Russia has emptied the populations, and for what? Why invade in the first place?

Because Ukraine was the first Russian-speaking country to oust its Russian puppet and hold a free and fair election. This threatened the Putin model of kleptocracy. Vlad worried that democracy would spread to Russia. As a result, the invasion resulted in a complete and total crackdown within Russia itself. Protesters jailed, political opponents killed, independent media outlawed.

This is the political model you support. Ever get the feeling you've been farmed?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 27^th, 2023 at 12:09pm

Karnal wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 11:53am:

In all the provinces it captured after 2022, Russia has emptied the populations, and for what? Why invade in the first place?

Russia is openly offering for adoption, kidnapped Ukrainian children to adoptees who do not live near the Ukrainian border.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 27^th, 2023 at 1:54pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 12:09pm:

Karnal wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 11:53am:

In all the provinces it captured after 2022, Russia has emptied the populations, and for what? Why invade in the first place?

Russia is openly offering for adoption, kidnapped Ukrainian children to adoptees who do not live near the Ukrainian border.

Just so. This is the Putin model in a nutshell. Steal foreign kids, place them with Russian families, change their names, indoctrinate them and turn them into future cannon fodder.

This action alone - an indicted war crime - should be enough to turn any person with cognition off Vlad for good.

But, as ever, we just get more lies, doublethink and full blown cognitive dissonance.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 27^th, 2023 at 2:59pm

Karnal wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 1:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 12:09pm:

Karnal wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 11:53am:

In all the provinces it captured after 2022, Russia has emptied the populations, and for what? Why invade in the first place?

Russia is openly offering for adoption, kidnapped Ukrainian children to adoptees who do not live near the Ukrainian border.

Wasn't Australia one of the first to do that with Aboriginals?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 27^th, 2023 at 4:53pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 2:59pm:

Karnal wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 1:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 12:09pm:

Karnal wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 11:53am:

In all the provinces it captured after 2022, Russia has emptied the populations, and for what? Why invade in the first place?

Russia is openly offering for adoption, kidnapped Ukrainian children to adoptees who do not live near the Ukrainian border.

Wasn't Australia one of the first to do that with Aboriginals?

Good point, Laugh, just so. Australia also changed course and apologised. Just to make it clear, we apologised again only yesterday.

It's reconciliation week, you see.

It's true. We tried to root out the white-looking kids, made them speak English, hid their past and gave them nice English names. Once they realised this, many of them freaked out.

Some became wary, mistrustful and even hostile. Others became drunks or wife-beaters or got in trouble with the cops, so we blamed them. But do you know?

It wasn't their or their parents or their carers' fault, it was the government's. They should have left the kids where they were. Once it was all too late, the government said sorry, we did the wrong thing, we promise not to do it again.

That's just good manners, no?

Mr Putin can do the right thing right now. He can get on the phone and tell the generals to take all their soldiers, turn around and go home. He can then thank the Russian carers and send the kids home too, back to live with their parents.

Then, Mr Putin can say sorry, he did the wrong thing and promise not to do it again.

Mr Putin can do this, Laugh. He can then say sorry to all the people in Ukraine. They're neighbours, no? Mr Putin can say sorry for bombing their power stations to make it more cold in Winter. He can say sorry for blowing up their apartments and destroying all their things. He can say sorry for sending in drones to destroy their hospitals, schools and churches.

Mr Putin is a deeply religious man, did you know that? He even has a chapel in his house. No matter how busy he is, Mr Putin always takes time to pray to the saints.

Then, Mr Putin can retire and live the rest of his life in that billion dollar palace he has. Good idea, do you think?

Christians aren't perfect, Laugh, just forgiven, yes?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 27^th, 2023 at 5:24pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-65725004

27th May 2023.

Ukraine is ready to launch its long-expected counter-offensive against Russian forces,
one of the country's most senior security officials has told the BBC.

Oleksiy Danilov would not name a date but said an assault to retake territory from President Vladimir Putin's occupying forces could begin "tomorrow, the day after tomorrow or in a week".

He warned that Ukraine's government had "no right to make a mistake" on the decision because this was an "historic opportunity" that "we cannot lose".

As secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine, Mr Danilov is at the heart of President Volodymyr Zelensky's de facto war cabinet.

His rare interview with the BBC was interrupted by a phone message from President Zelensky summoning him to a meeting to discuss the counter-offensive.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 27^th, 2023 at 7:03pm

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 5:24pm:

That's BREAKING, Bobby.

It shows the impossible situation Russia is in, if it even survives the Spring offensive. Unless Putin captures Kiev, assassinates the government, bans the media and launches a total mass arrest of all anti-Russian Ukrainians, it can't possibly hope to win this war.

Without an all-out slaughter on such a scale, Russia can't prevail. Stories like this will continue, year after year. Ukraine has a population of 43 million. Its grain exports provide much of the Middle East, Africa and Central Asia their bread. Its oil and gas reserves have an effect on global supply. Even if the Kremlin could achieve its military objectives, it can't possibly maintain ongoing security.

The Diem regime held South Vietnam for 20 years, from 1955 to 1975, with Diem himself assassinated in 1963. Russia finds itself in the position of US forces from 1968 to 1975, after the Tet offensive, when a communist victory was clear to all. The North just had to wait Uncle out.

Russia faces the same threat in Ukraine. It hasn't applied the lessons of its own foreign debacle in Afghanistan. Ukraine is different: globally influential, flat, more ethnically homogeneous. And it's in Europe, next to the world's biggest military alliance.

Ethnicity is relevant. In Afghanistan, Russia - and the US - could play warlords off each other. Ukraine has the advantage of solidarity - Christian solidarity. Religion played an important role in the Polish revolution of 1989, and it could do so if Ukraine is ever occupied.

Ukraine has another advantage: its leader's charisma. Zalensky has wowed over the world. Zalensky fought off a Russian invasion with one hand. With the other, he's reached out to the West, galvanising Western leaders in a new crusade. Apart from the endurance of Ukrainians themselves, Zalensky is the Ukraine's biggest asset. If he wins, Zalensky will go down in history as a Winston Churchill. If he loses, he'll be Joan of Arc.

Russia had one chance to topple Zalensky. Instead, it showed how dysfunctional Russia under Putin has become. The only advances have been made by the Wagner group, a private contractor, using Russian prisoners. Nothing can highlight just how inefficient the Putin model is better than that.

The jig's up, leftards. Spring is here. Putin is out of options, he can't possibly secure a sustainable victory. No matter how long this war continues, we'll know: Putin, along with all he stands for, is finished. Brexit, Trump, Putin. The emperor is naked. When you buy into white populist nationalism, this is what you sign up for.

Ever get the feeling you've been bought, sold and paid?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 27^th, 2023 at 7:28pm

Hi Matty,
good luck to Ukraine.
I hope they kick the Russians out -
however it looks more like the stalemate of WW1 for 4 years.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 27^th, 2023 at 9:35pm

The Spring counter-offensive is about to become the summer/ autumn counter-offensive. Actually, most of the counter-offensive narrative is generated by the media as though the Ukraine high command are poring over maps and moving blocks around on it to plan a master stroke. I doubt any such scenario.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 27^th, 2023 at 9:53pm

for any offensive carried out by eithe r side to achieve rapid success it has to attack somewhere where there's nothing around to stop it. only reason kharkov was successful is bc the front was empty, russia never had enough manpower at the time and even then they didn't really need to withdraw (reports are the ukrainians would have ran out of ammunition pretty quickly and the offensive would have stopped before it ever got to izyum or lyman where it ultimately terminated). ukraine's offensive in kherson, despite the geography not favouring russia at all, was miserable if you followed it from day to day. at the time of russia's departure from kherson city at the behest of surovikin the ukrainians weren't even close to the city. ukraine's offensive, if it happens, will most definitely fial, unless they find another place that has nothing in it like last time to attack. but even then, there's little chance of it being decisive.

the kinds of weapons needed to alleviate trench-style warfare, such as planes and tanks are of reduced value in this conflict. there are too many soviet model anti-air defense systems on either side, turns out they're highly effective (something the americans learned the hard way in serbia, when they had to face off against an actually competent anti-air defense corps i.e not an arab army's), and too many cheap effective anti-tank weapons. russia's missile campaigns have probably been purposed with depleting/degrading ukraine's anti-air defense capacities, which is why we've been seeing more glide bombs from russia in the past few months. positional/static warfare will characterise this conflict for the foreseeable future, and will favour the side with the greater manpower pool.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 28^th, 2023 at 12:49am

issuevoter wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 9:35pm:

You're right. It is a major Media 'counter-offensive' expectation of the Ukrainians as if the Media is running the war.
The Russians are very well dug in and it would be something akin to storming Gallipoli for the Ukrainians.
But hey, the Media loves the 'action' for ratings.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:07am

Karnal wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 7:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2023 at 5:24pm:

That's BREAKING, Bobby.

It shows the impossible situation Russia is in, if it even survives the Spring offensive. Unless Putin captures Kiev, assassinates the government, bans the media and launches a total mass arrest of all anti-Russian Ukrainians, it can't possibly hope to win this war.

Without an all-out slaughter on such a scale, Russia can't prevail. Stories like this will continue, year after year. Ukraine has a population of 43 million. Its grain exports provide much of the Middle East, Africa and Central Asia their bread. Its oil and gas reserves have an effect on global supply. Even if the Kremlin could achieve its military objectives, it can't possibly maintain ongoing security.

The Diem regime held South Vietnam for 20 years, from 1955 to 1975, with Diem himself assassinated in 1963. Russia finds itself in the position of US forces from 1968 to 1975, after the Tet offensive, when a communist victory was clear to all. The North just had to wait Uncle out.

Russia faces the same threat in Ukraine. It hasn't applied the lessons of its own foreign debacle in Afghanistan. Ukraine is different: globally influential, flat, more ethnically homogeneous. And it's in Europe, next to the world's biggest military alliance.

Ukraine has another advantage: its leader's charisma. Zalensky has wowed over the world. Zalensky fought off a Russian invasion with one hand. With the other, he's reached out to the West, galvanising Western leaders in a new crusade. Apart from the endurance of Ukrainians themselves, Zalensky is the Ukraine's biggest asset. If he wins, Zalensky will go down in history as a Winston Churchill. If he loses, he'll be Joan of Arc.

Russia had one chance to topple Zalensky. Instead, it showed how dysfunctional Russia under Putin has become. The only advances have been made by the Wagner group, a private contractor, using Russian prisoners. Nothing can highlight just how inefficient the Putin model is better than that.

The jig's up, leftards. Spring is here. Putin is out of options, he can't possibly secure a sustainable victory. No matter how long this war continues, we'll know: Putin, along with all he stands for, is finished. Brexit, Trump, Putin. The emperor is naked. When you buy into white populist nationalism, this is what you sign up for.

Ever get the feeling you've been bought, sold and paid?

nice try goebels.

now heres the real facts on the ground.

populist nationalism is not only not finished , it is flourishing,

china, india, brazil, south africa, korea are all feircely nationalist and doing well.

energy security and food security IS economic security.

russia has enough natural resources and food to last forever.

europe can hardly keep the lights on.

you go on and on about how free people are in the west ::) and how oppressed they are in russia .

in the west , people are so over regulated, they are free to do some chode job, sit in traffic all day , be told they are part of toxic masculinity, wank off to weed and be nothing.

8 million men with no health issues between the ages of 18 and 50 in america no longer participate in society. they arent looking for a job, they arent working, they arent at school. they have dropped out of your garbage society.

i cant move on my road because so many "off the grid ' types are starting to try to run away from the over governed cities which are havens of mediocre garabge existence.

my old neighbours were russians. they had family in vladivostock.

in the villages of russia, if you have family there, you ju7st go to the village council and build a house, much like the amich,

no council regualtions
no rates
no land tax
no interference from moscow.

just do your own thing

fish where you like
grow what you like

its nirvana

so keep selling your european model of paradise, people arent buying,
the italians have gone back to a fundamentalist catholic PM who is booting out all the woke wankers.

france as well

the dutch farmers are in revolt.

the proud nationalists are going to prevail

they have the resources.

america, my friend is 31 trillion in debt and teetering on the edge of defaulting
ever get the feeling you are kidding yourself

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:27am

A 2 hour 10 minute video proves that factories win wars:

The West has more factories so they should win in Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZnfmaGC3Lg

2,877,935 views Aug 3, 2022

The Second World War was won not just on the battlefield.
From Vickers to Lancaster, here we examine the great war factories that powered Britain's production war.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 28^th, 2023 at 7:52am

I wonder if the Unions called for strikes during war times?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:24am

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:27am:

a reall thinker here folks

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:48am

Jasin wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 7:52am:

I wonder if the Unions called for strikes during war times?

That point is discussed in the video.
The Govt. made deals with the unions
but the Govt also gave themselves special war powers.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 28^th, 2023 at 10:02am

Quote:

AQUASCOOT posted

nice try goebels.

now heres the real facts on the ground.

populist nationalism is not only not finished , it is flourishing,

china, india, brazil, south africa, korea are all feircely nationalist and doing well.

energy security and food security IS economic security.

russia has enough natural resources and food to last forever.

europe can hardly keep the lights on.

you go on and on about how free people are in the west Roll Eyes and how oppressed they are in russia .

in the west , people are so over regulated, they are free to do some chode job, sit in traffic all day , be told they are part of toxic masculinity, wank off to weed and be nothing.

8 million men with no health issues between the ages of 18 and 50 in america no longer participate in society. they arent looking for a job, they arent working, they arent at school. they have dropped out of your garbage society.

i cant move on my road because so many "off the grid ' types are starting to try to run away from the over governed cities which are havens of mediocre garabge existence.

my old neighbours were russians. they had family in vladivostock.

in the villages of russia, if you have family there, you ju7st go to the village council and build a house, much like the amich,

no council regualtions
no rates
no land tax
no interference from moscow.

just do your own thing

fish where you like
grow what you like

its nirvana

so keep selling your european model of paradise, people arent buying,
the italians have gone back to a fundamentalist catholic PM who is booting out all the woke wankers.

france as well

the dutch farmers are in revolt.

the proud nationalists are going to prevail

they have the resources.

america, my friend is 31 trillion in debt and teetering on the edge of defaulting
ever get the feeling you are kidding yourself

obviously wages are lower in russia, but utilities are basically nothing, like $20 per month for electricity, grabbing something to eat or drink while out costs very little (and the stoloya cafetarias catering to old soviet nostalgics have some seriously cheap, nutritious food), groceries seem cheap for the most part, low petrol prices, cheap public transport. income inequality is pretty modest too, substantially lower than the united states and roughly about the same as... new zealand

they wouldn’t have a standard of living as good as an Aussie with a decent full time job, but compared to an aussie making $50k it’s probably not far off. people here going on about it like living in russia is some horrible nightmare really have little idea of perspective of the world. the changes on the ground following the black period of the 90s have been quite evident too, with cities transforming since roughly 2000 from decaying dumps to fairly okay places everywhere. this youtube channel documents this in before / after photos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bE3GfxjB1I

ukraine by contrast is russia if it never left the post-soviet nadir period.a lot of the things pro-ukrainian/ukrainian cheerleaders write regarding russia is interestingly pure projection, or ignorance of either state.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 28^th, 2023 at 10:03am

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 28^th, 2023 at 11:07am

my neighbour was a real estate agent, his wife (russian) was a schoolteacher here in brisbane

she could basicly go back to her village and they would just give her land and help build a house.

my neighbour was doing nothing but working and he went there for holidays with the kids every year.

he was tempted to move.

it was certainly a much "freer" way of life then the slavery of the urban chode.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 28^th, 2023 at 11:15am

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:27am:

bobby, that was true in 1940's and 50's

american made almost all the worlds cars, britain was a powerhouse of manufacturing

is that still the case?

america hardly makes a car, they have exported all their manufacturing to asia or mexico.

britain is probably worse.

even the germans have exported bmw and mercedes plants to china

lets look at energy.

russia has heaps, europe had to go back to brown coal to make it thru the winter.

lets look at workforce.

not many europeans or americans know how to build artillery shells. i think they'd rather be instagram influencers.

lets look at the army.
autocratic states (russia and china) have lots of men who will join up.
as putin said "it takes a brave man to be a coward in russia"
or maybe stalin said that.

pretty brutal words but trench warfare is pretty brutal.
you have to be pretty ruthless.

are the west still ruthless?
they 'd rather beat off to porn and smoke legal weed

the USA? they cant get recruits.

europe ? my god bobby. do you think they have a taste for trench warfare.

putin has revealed just how unfit the west is to do anything

all credit to the ukrainians , they are brave but their numbers are limited.

but the west is just impotent

they are so naive, they think changing their twitter id to a ukranian flag is going to win the war

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 28^th, 2023 at 12:15pm

aquascoot wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 11:15am:

bobby, that was true in 1940's and 50's
american made almost all the worlds cars, britain was a powerhouse of manufacturing
is that still the case?
america hardly makes a car, they have exported all their manufacturing to asia or mexico.
britain is probably worse.
even the germans have exported bmw and mercedes plants to china
lets look at energy.
russia has heaps, europe had to go back to brown coal to make it thru the winter.
lets look at workforce.
not many europeans or americans know how to build artillery shells. i think they'd rather be instagram influencers.
lets look at the army.
autocratic states (russia and china) have lots of men who will join up.
as putin said "it takes a brave man to be a coward in russia"
or maybe stalin said that.
pretty brutal words but trench warfare is pretty brutal.
you have to be pretty ruthless.
are the west still ruthless?
they 'd rather beat off to porn and smoke legal weed
the USA? they cant get recruits.
europe ? my god bobby. do you think they have a taste for trench warfare.
putin has revealed just how unfit the west is to do anything
all credit to the ukrainians , they are brave but their numbers are limited.
but the west is just impotent
they are so naive, they think changing their twitter id to a ukranian flag is going to win the war

I can assure you that many Europeans or Americans know how to build artillery shells -
the questions are:
have they moved to 24 hour production &
have they opened any new factories?

The fact is that Ukraine was very short of ammunition and that's why
they couldn't kick the Russians out.
I heard one story where they were limited to 3 shells per day when they wanted to
fire hundreds of shells every hour.

"they 'd rather beat off to porn and smoke legal weed " -
western decadence has taken over -
the west is full of homosexuals who are more interested in
other guys bums than fighting wars.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:11pm

Quote:

I can assure you that many Europeans or Americans know how to build artillery shells -
the questions are:
have they moved to 24 hour production &
have they opened any new factories?

i love how you think its that easy

like it's an rts game

"just build a factory bro" -- country that cant even build enough public housing so the waiting list if you're a crackhead single mum with 5 dependents to 5 differernt baby daddies is 45 years

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:13pm

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

Quote:

I can assure you that many Europeans or Americans know how to build artillery shells -
the questions are:
have they moved to 24 hour production &
have they opened any new factories?

i love how you think its that easy

"just build a factory bro" -- country that cant even build enough public housing so the waiting list if you're a crackhead single mum with 5 dependents to 5 different baby dadies is 45 years

If you would have spent 2 hours and 10 minutes watching the video
you would have understood.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:18pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

Quote:

I can assure you that many Europeans or Americans know how to build artillery shells -
the questions are:
have they moved to 24 hour production &
have they opened any new factories?

If you would have spent 2 hours and 10 minutes watching the video
you would have understood.

forgiven

namaste

yes mate it's totally ww2 and we are totally running the same economic system with the same parameters and political priorities as 'we' were in 1944 to fight a war against a country we're not at war at and isn't attacking us ::)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:23pm

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

Quote:

I can assure you that many Europeans or Americans know how to build artillery shells -
the questions are:
have they moved to 24 hour production &
have they opened any new factories?

If you would have spent 2 hours and 10 minutes watching the video
you would have understood.

forgiven

namaste

Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

Have you heard of the phoney war after Hitler invaded Poland?
I thought not.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:49pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:23pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

Quote:

I can assure you that many Europeans or Americans know how to build artillery shells -
the questions are:
have they moved to 24 hour production &
have they opened any new factories?

If you would have spent 2 hours and 10 minutes watching the video
you would have understood.

forgiven

namaste

Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

Have you heard of the phoney war after Hitler invaded Poland?
I thought not.

forgiven

namaste

when are we expecting your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:55pm

aquascoot wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 11:07am:

Hang on.

You said: "my neighbour was a real estate agent".

And then you said: "my neighbour was doing nothing but working".

So, was he a real estate agent or was he working? It can't be both.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 28^th, 2023 at 2:00pm

Putin admirers here have expressed some of the points in Russian propaganda concerning Ukraine and the government's intentions toward Moscow. The gist of their ideas is that Ukraine and NATO were planning to sneak up on Russia and destroy the Federation while they weren't looking. This left Putin no option but to invade and liberate the country from Zelensky's Nazi regime. Russians use the military support of Ukraine by the West as evidence of this NATO/EU intention.

This propaganda is a bit late, because even if it were true, the war is now on. Never mind that the EU was almost entirely dependent on Russian gas and oil. The EU was dumb enough to think they could destroy Russia militarily while hooked up to the Russian petrol pump.

And never mind these secret plans would be known (that is not pronounced know-en) by Left leaning governments and the peace and Labour movements that support them. Has anyone heard from European peace movement since the invasion?

So presuming the NATO/UKraine secret plan was a fact, Putin and his advisers have not been very astute in their estimations of the outcome, even with the benefit of the tardy Western support which has taken a year to coalesce. But now events are getting to the point where the propaganda doesn't matter anymore, and if the Russia Federation breaks up, you can blame who you like.

Russia has to pay for its war, Ukraine does not, to a great extent, certainly in lives. Putin admirers say that sanctions are not working. Well, you have to understand no one likes giving or losing money. Like Zelensky said, “Its not charity.” You can take that a couple of ways. Yes its the protection of Europe, but then you have the money men, and they are going to strangle someone for this situation, war or no war.

And then there is MH17. Was it part of NATO's secret plan? Russia shoots down an airliner with a BUC missile, killing 298 people, and they claim it was not their fault. That 298 figure fans out into a very large number of associates who have been at war from that day. If anyone believes NATO shot this plane down, go and tell the Netherlands, which lost 193 people.(and 27 Australians that you don't care about.)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 28^th, 2023 at 2:00pm

yawn

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 28^th, 2023 at 2:03pm

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:49pm:

when are we expecting your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion

Alas - I am too old to serve in the military but if I was younger -
I'd be the first over the top of the trench leading the charge towards the Russian positions -
bayonet at the ready for a jolly good stabbing of Russian vermin.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 28^th, 2023 at 2:08pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 2:03pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:49pm:

when are we expecting your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion

Stabbing, or jabbing? :-/

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 28^th, 2023 at 2:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 2:03pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:49pm:

when are we expecting your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion

Stabbing, or jabbing? :-/

Good grief - homo talk on every thread from our resident poof.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 28^th, 2023 at 2:09pm

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:49pm:

when are we expecting your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 28^th, 2023 at 2:20pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 2:09pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:49pm:

when are we expecting your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion

just another chicken hawk then

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 28^th, 2023 at 4:37pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:27am:

A fascinating piece of Thatcherite propaganda, Bobby.

They explained the WWII home front situation so well, then paste the Tory spin in at the end.

Ever get the feeling you've been propagated?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 28^th, 2023 at 4:59pm

Quote:

so keep selling your european model of paradise, people arent buying,
the italians have gone back to a fundamentalist catholic PM who is booting out all the woke wankers.

france as well

the dutch farmers are in revolt.

the proud nationalists are going to prevail

they have the resources.

america, my friend is 31 trillion in debt and teetering on the edge of defaulting
ever get the feeling you are kidding yourself

You sound hurt and unsure. An existential moment, is it?

We all get them, dear. It's how you bounce out of bed that counts.

Watch Bobby's video. Mother England was successful because she was globally integrated. It's how she won the war and the peace.

One can't win war or peace without friends. This is why Mother England is failing today. She withdrew from the biggest trading block in the world. Bobby's Tory doco makers back in the 1980s would have been appalled, but what to do?

Britain left the EU with the same regulations it had before. It now has higher immigration than before, and not from Europe, but the Middle East and South Asia.

Brexit is the single biggest disaster Britain has faced since WWII. Lowest economic growth in the G7, and without markets for trade - and skilled labour - no way back up.

Nations and economies outlive us. Putin's Russia will die with Putin, along with the plan for a Russian Ukraine. Ukrainians now wholeheartedly turn to the West. In the next 20 years, they should be full members of the EU.

Ukraine will then have opportunities Mother England would kill for now.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:11pm

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 2:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 2:09pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:49pm:

when are we expecting your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion

just another chicken hawk then

Bobby's got bone spurs ... on his boner.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:18pm

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 4:37pm:

A fascinating piece of Thatcherite propaganda, Bobby.

They explained the WWII home front situation so well, then paste the Tory spin in at the end.

Ever get the feeling you've been propagated?

Nothing to do with Thatcher.

Did you really spend over 2 hours watching it? -
of course not.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:23pm

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 4:59pm:

Quote:

lucky vlad has so many friends

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Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:57pm

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 10:02am:

Quote:

Prior to Zalensky, Ukraine was managed by Kremlin-appointed kleptocrats, who's only job was to manage the skim from the gas. Kiev was the base for global crime syndicates, and corruption was rife. Ukraine was Putin's wild west.

The people had their say. Yanukovych was ousted in 2013 for reneging on a commitment to joining the EU. This led to the Euromaidan uprising, Putin's annexation of Crimea, and finally, the first fair election since the fall of the Soviet Union in 2019.

Zalensky's unwillingness to bend to Putin saw the invasion of 2022. From now on, Ukraine was not willing to play the role of so many other Russian satelite puppet regimes. Ukraine has a 43 million population and huge mineral wealth - why should it?

If a Ukrainian leader is going to do the right thing by Ukrainians, turning West is a no brainer. Economically sure, but politically: any Ukrainian prez who doesn't commit to European integration will simply be deposed, if not assassinated. Ukrainians want to be nice, safe, happy Euros. Why wouldn't they?

Putin puppets like Alexander Lukashenko and Ramzan Katyrov are now few and far between. Nearly all of the former Soviet states want to be Western-style democracies. It's why, after all, the iron curtain came down in the first place. Putin's dream of a Russia Mir is over - no one shares it.

Putin can only achieve influence outside Russia through kleptocracy, the oligarchs and the Russian Mafia. It's hardly a romantic vision. His invasion of Ukraine has now shown the rest that the emperor was wearing no clothes.

The Russian military is no longer capable of a good old Soviet invasion. It's certainly not capable of a US-style shock and awe assault on a recalcitrant state, which was the aim in Ukraine. Muscle was Putin's last card. He no longer has this, and everybody who counts in Russia knows it. All the states in Russia's orbit - the Russia Mir - are now looking Westward, or signing up to Xi's Belt and Road.

By invading Ukraine, Putin has single-handedly destroyed the Russian dream.

Ever get the feeling you've been fucked?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:59pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:18pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 4:37pm:

A fascinating piece of Thatcherite propaganda, Bobby.

They explained the WWII home front situation so well, then paste the Tory spin in at the end.

Ever get the feeling you've been propagated?

Nothing to do with Thatcher.

Did you really spend over 2 hours watching it? -
of course not.

forgiven

namaste

Of course. Good doco. Watch the last line.

Thatcher was the British prime minister from 1979 to 1990, dear.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:00pm

aquascoot wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:23pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 4:59pm:

Quote:

lucky vlad has so many friends

Just so. Why do you think they've tried to hide him on the right?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:08pm

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:18pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 4:37pm:

A fascinating piece of Thatcherite propaganda, Bobby.

They explained the WWII home front situation so well, then paste the Tory spin in at the end.

Ever get the feeling you've been propagated?

Nothing to do with Thatcher.

Did you really spend over 2 hours watching it? -
of course not.

forgiven

namaste

Of course. Good doco. Watch the last line.

Thatcher was the British prime minister from 1979 to 1990, dear.

You only got to watch that doco cause of me -
that's the only reason.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:51pm

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:23pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 4:59pm:

Quote:

lucky vlad has so many friends

Just so. Why do you think they've tried to hide him on the right?

. ::) ::) ::)

try again

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Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 28^th, 2023 at 7:31pm

that's about half of the world right there

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 28^th, 2023 at 7:55pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:18pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 4:37pm:

A fascinating piece of Thatcherite propaganda, Bobby.

They explained the WWII home front situation so well, then paste the Tory spin in at the end.

Ever get the feeling you've been propagated?

Nothing to do with Thatcher.

Did you really spend over 2 hours watching it? -
of course not.

forgiven

namaste

Of course. Good doco. Watch the last line.

Thatcher was the British prime minister from 1979 to 1990, dear.

You only got to watch that doco cause of me -
that's the only reason.

True. Thank you.

And we invite you to read between the lines of your docos. Read the message.

Your doco is not about British military production circa WWII, it's about free trade, privatisation and managers taking hold of a national production putsch. It's a highly ideological doco.

I'm currently reading up on whether Britain got out of the great depression through trade liberalisation, tax cuts and the government doing nothing.

So far, that's not looking too true.

You?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 28^th, 2023 at 7:59pm

Quote:

what the bugger are you talking about? there were very few real soviet 'invasions' besides the invasion of afghanistan, which failed just like america's invasion of afghanistan failed. there was no initial "shock and awe" in ukraine, the force russia committed into the country was small, power infrastructure was not targeted (like in iraq), and initially this was better understood as a means of creating prescence and space and triggering a negotiation (following the georgian example in 2008-2009) which apparently almost succeeded, if boris johnson had (allegedly) not sabotaged the proceedings sometime in march or april 2022.

the police force alone in kiev was larger than the force russia had around the capital; if you really think a force of 50,000 or so was intended to capture a metropolitan area of 3-4 million you've been reading different military text books than i have. after it was clear ukraine wasn't going to negotiate for whatever reason, the front around kiev was (rightfully) evacuated, because there was no chance of capturing that city with the quantity of men submitted.

much of what russia is doing or has been doing can be understood probably as

1) not disrupting ordinary life domestically too much (hence the recalcitrance to transition to some degree of war economy, which ukraine has 100% at this point on top of NATO largesee - something i don't agree with btw)

2) not wanting to disrupt relations with its important trading partners such as india, china, etc, hence the relative reluctance (certainly compared to america) to initially target civilian infrastructure, though we have seen increasing willingness to degrade ukrainian AA resources as politically it has become more expedient and percieved politically viable to do so

you have clearly overestimated the impact of the sanctions, exaggerated and created a phony/dishonest narrative of russia's global isolation, parroted strawman after strawman and generally are just a bore to talk to

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:03pm

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:18pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 4:37pm:

A fascinating piece of Thatcherite propaganda, Bobby.

They explained the WWII home front situation so well, then paste the Tory spin in at the end.

Ever get the feeling you've been propagated?

Nothing to do with Thatcher.

Did you really spend over 2 hours watching it? -
of course not.

forgiven

namaste

Of course. Good doco. Watch the last line.

Thatcher was the British prime minister from 1979 to 1990, dear.

You only got to watch that doco cause of me -
that's the only reason.

I don't know the answer to that.
I know that the USA got rich out of WW2.
Britain was left bankrupt.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:15pm

aquascoot wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:51pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:23pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 4:59pm:

Quote:

lucky vlad has so many friends

Just so. Why do you think they've tried to hide him on the right?

. ::) ::) ::)

try again

When was your photo taken, dear?

I'm curious.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:21pm

Quote:

what the bugger are you talking about? there were very few real soviet 'invasions' besides the invasion of afghanistan,

Oh? The Poles, Czechs, Hungarians and poor old East Germans might beg to differ, dear.

Quite a few white Russians may care to differ too. There was a civil war, after all.

They don't count much. Stalin saw to them, eh?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:26pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:18pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 4:37pm:

A fascinating piece of Thatcherite propaganda, Bobby.

They explained the WWII home front situation so well, then paste the Tory spin in at the end.

Ever get the feeling you've been propagated?

Nothing to do with Thatcher.

Did you really spend over 2 hours watching it? -
of course not.

forgiven

namaste

Of course. Good doco. Watch the last line.

Thatcher was the British prime minister from 1979 to 1990, dear.

You only got to watch that doco cause of me -
that's the only reason.

I don't know the answer to that.
I know that the USA got rich out of WW2.
Britain was left bankrupt.

Just so. Most of occupied Europe's gold was sent to Fort Knox.

They sold most of that gold to fund the Vietnam War, so they decided to have a floating dollar instead.

Britain did that in 1933, so there is some truth to your doco.

Read the message, Bobby. Follow the money.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:34pm

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

Yes and Angela wasn't allowed to see Germany's gold -
maybe it just wasn't there?
Gold has always been run by Govt. criminals.
Some say there is 100 times more 'paper gold' than real gold.
(the gold has been sold 100 times over and doesn't really exist)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:35pm

Chess Legend And Putin Critic Garry Kasparov On Why Russia Will Lose In Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBtJZ-8Zgd8

My thoughts:

Garry didn't explain the end game very well.
What if Russia is kicked out of Ukraine but they remain on the border
firing artillery shells into Ukraine every day?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:51pm

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

Quote:

what the bugger are you talking about? there were very few real soviet 'invasions' besides the invasion of afghanistan,

yeah mate, you know that's not what i meant, it's like holding up the invasion of georgia in 08-09 as a 'real war', those were capitulations, not actual wars. you might as well be using the georgian icnident as an counter-example of how the russian army actually does have the same capacity as the soviets did if you want to play that game. the clear plan A here in ukraine was it for to be another event like that, but now it's transisitioned into plan B, a war of attrition as opposed to a rapid manouver based operation to trigger a negotition/capitulation.

no one thinks the armed forces of the russian federation are equivalent to the soviet army, except people trying to construct strawmen arguments. "hahahaha superpower my ass" yeah like uhhh no one thinks the RF is a superpower, no one who isn't an idiot anyway. the soviets spent 10-20% of GDP on their military, had 80% of the industrial capacity (with much of that industrial capacity concentrated in stuff that facilitaes a large and effective military) of the united states in 1980, were a classically marxist-leninst command economy that could concentrate resources where-ever the state wanted it to, was two times as large as the russian federation, etc. it's almost like --- wait for it --- they weren't the same country or something :o :o :o and had completely different governments with different values and geopolitical objectives :o :o :o :o

might as well be saying the republic of italy is the roman empire

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:36pm

Ukraine keeps threatening an offensive that never comes.

They don't have the resources to defend much longer let alone attack.

The current spate of attacks inside Russia are a theatrical diversion to divert attention from the poor state of the Ukrainian military which keeps threatening an offensive and keeps claiming to have shot down all incoming Russian missiles, but buildings and weapons depots keep getting blown up by invisible mysterious forces which cannot be the shot-down Russian missiles.

Ukraine would have been in a better condition if they had surrendered and negotiated terms instead of fighting to the last Ukrainian while Uncle Sam urges them to get up and fight.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:43pm

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

Quote:

what the bugger are you talking about? there were very few real soviet 'invasions' besides the invasion of afghanistan,

The Soviet Union was bankrupt when Gorbachev came to power.

The first wave of the 2022 Russian invasion was based on intel received from Russian oligarchs who'd been given funds to establish pro-Russian militant groups in Ukraine, that would rise up and assist in the overthrow of the Ukrainian government when the Russian army entered the country.

The oligarchs stole the money but reported to the Kremlin that they had established a strong pro-Russian underground capable of assisting the Russian military in its objectives. None of them thought Putin would actually order an invasion anyway, so stealing the funds seemed like a good idea at the time.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:47pm

A further doco of 2 hours 48 minutes.
How factories win wars.

The American Workers That Helped The US Dominate WW2 | War Factories

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T0xpD7J8nA

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:51pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:47pm:

A further doco of 2 hours 48 minutes.
How factories win wars.

The American Workers That Helped The US Dominate WW2 | War Factories

[media https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T0xpD7J8nA[/media]

If factories win wars as you say, China must be winning against the USA by square terametres of factories.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Gordon on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:54pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:36pm:

When anyone in the USA suggests exactly this, or points out the red lines that have been crossed in respect to NATO encroachment on Russia (such as the the USA would never tolerate) or the 2014 coup in Ukraine, they're called a Russian troll/shill.

Interesting how I find myself agreeing this.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:56pm

Gordon wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:54pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:36pm:

It's your contrariness, that must be genetic.

Every time you see or hear text you think what would I do behind the Bondi sheds?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Gordon on May 28^th, 2023 at 10:04pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:56pm:

Gordon wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:54pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:36pm:

It's your contrariness, that must be genetic.

Every time you see or hear text you think what would I do behind the Bondi sheds?

Sheds? You seem to know something I don't. You always mention changing changing sheds. Are you an actual sex offender?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 28^th, 2023 at 10:29pm

Gordon wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 10:04pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:56pm:

Gordon wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:54pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:36pm:

It's your contrariness, that must be genetic.

Every time you see or hear text you think what would I do behind the Bondi sheds?

Sheds? You seem to know something I don't. You always mention changing changing sheds. Are you an actual sex offender?

I must be. It seems I have sexually offended Gordon in his mind.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 28^th, 2023 at 11:42pm

Quote:

The Soviet Union was bankrupt when Gorbachev came to power.

it was never "bankrupt" bc states can't go "bankrupt", by your estimations the u.s must be many many times over bankrupt given how much sovereign debt it is in

also completely irrelevant to my post

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:58am

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

Quote:

what the bugger are you talking about? there were very few real soviet 'invasions' besides the invasion of afghanistan,

Come come, every year, the Kremlin has a jolly big military parade to celebrate VE day. Vlad's kept those missiles rolling down the street, just as Yeltsin and the commies before him did. Russia projects this image.

Don't pretend you're siding with some underdog. Russians are complete and utter cunts who invade their friends and neighbours.

Not even the Septics do that, dear.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 29^th, 2023 at 2:42am

Quote:

Come come, every year, the Kremlin has a jolly big military parade to celebrate VE day

so? doesn't make them the same state anymore than the republic of egypt is the new kingdom bc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IegmrsDbxk4

stalin wasnt even russian and that wasnt his real name

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 29^th, 2023 at 6:02am

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 9:47pm:

A further doco of 2 hours 48 minutes.
How factories win wars.

The American Workers That Helped The US Dominate WW2 | War Factories

[media https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T0xpD7J8nA[/media]

If factories win wars as you say,
China must be winning against the USA by square terametres of factories.

China is out producing the USA -
it has the largest navy in the world.

It was a great doco - here again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T0xpD7J8nA

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:18am

JC Denton wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 2:42am:

Quote:

Come come, every year, the Kremlin has a jolly big military parade to celebrate VE day

so? doesn't make them the same state anymore than the republic of egypt is the new kingdom bc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IegmrsDbxk4

stalin wasnt even russian and that wasnt his real name

Neat.
Reckon the Curse only applies to Christians, Moslems and Jews - rather than to the true believers of ancient Pharoah Egypt.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:23am

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 11:42pm:

Quote:

The Soviet Union was bankrupt when Gorbachev came to power.

it was never "bankrupt" bc states can't go "bankrupt", by your estimations the u.s must be many many times over bankrupt given how much sovereign debt it is in

also completely irrelevant to my post

Well, that's how Gorbachev saw it and why he embarked on the dangerous projects of perestroika and glasnost.

The Soviet Union's power was a mirage by the 80s and the 90s were years of economic and social disaster, collapse and the beginnings of Russian hyper-corruption.

Putin's vision is one of a return to Soviet-style hegemony and brutal Russian rule in Eastern Europe, as Russia's western border states are well aware of. Did they all rush to the safety of NATO? You bet they did, and others would do it yesterday if they had the chance.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:51am

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:58am:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

Quote:

what the bugger are you talking about? there were very few real soviet 'invasions' besides the invasion of afghanistan,

So what is the the underlying problem with Russia? And there is a problem. You'd have to be a numbskull not to recognise that much. Under Putin, policy is by decree, and opposition has been steadily marginalised to the point where a charge of treason is likely. This is all justified by the NATO boogie-man who is coming to enslave Russia.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 29^th, 2023 at 9:33am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:23am:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 11:42pm:

Quote:

The Soviet Union was bankrupt when Gorbachev came to power.

it was never "bankrupt" bc states can't go "bankrupt", by your estimations the u.s must be many many times over bankrupt given how much sovereign debt it is in

also completely irrelevant to my post

Just so. Vlad has said this many times. Ukraine was just the start of a new Russian empire, as every satelite state knows. Vlad has totally botched this, as every Russian general and oligarch knows.

Vlad was planning a nice, triumphant retirement in his nice triumphant palace. Not only has he botched that, he's destroyed the Ruski Mir, that spirit of militaristic strength Russians carry with them.

Yes, Stalin and Beria were Georgians, who spoke Russian with a thick accent. Thus why Putin uses the emblem of Peter the Great.

Ah, the best laid plans, no?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 29^th, 2023 at 9:43am

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 9:33am:

Yes, Stalin and Beria were Georgians, who spoke Russian with a thick accent. Thus why Putin uses the emblem of Peter the Great.

It would have been a suicidal Putin had he publicly invoked the ghosts of Stalin and Beria, even if he's every bit a Stalin wannabe by temperament.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 29^th, 2023 at 10:54am

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 9:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:23am:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 11:42pm:

Quote:

The Soviet Union was bankrupt when Gorbachev came to power.

it was never "bankrupt" bc states can't go "bankrupt", by your estimations the u.s must be many many times over bankrupt given how much sovereign debt it is in

also completely irrelevant to my post

Putin and Lavrov think they can survive on bluster, so did Qaddafi and Saddam.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:11pm

issuevoter wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:51am:

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:58am:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

Quote:

what the bugger are you talking about? there were very few real soviet 'invasions' besides the invasion of afghanistan,

so what is the underlying problem with the west and there is a problem. you'd have to be a numbskull not to recognise that, under the west, policy is designed to maximise profits for the pharma and military elite. opposing either sees you ostracised, to the point where not getting a jab is seen as treason. they have a military more focused on including trans then being combat ready.
in australia they allow their state owned media to demonise their elite SAS and strip them of their medals. they want to stop production of meat, coal and oil and take advice from a 13 yo brat with aspergers on energy policy . this is all justified as the elites doing what is best for the slaves.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:30pm

issuevoter wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 10:54am:

Putin and Lavrov think they can survive on bluster, so did Qaddafi and Saddam.

Libya and Iraq were left in ruins after being "freed" and "democratized" by Uncle Sam.

The same is happening to Ukraine which will never recover from this war if indeed Russia allows any recovery at all.

Meanwhile, other autocratic states in the Middle East get the US stamp of approval.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:49pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 9:43am:

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 9:33am:

Yes, Stalin and Beria were Georgians, who spoke Russian with a thick accent. Thus why Putin uses the emblem of Peter the Great.

It would have been a suicidal Putin had he publicly invoked the ghosts of Stalin and Beria, even if he's every bit a Stalin wannabe by temperament.

He's gotta look pretty far back for a popular Ruski dictator, no?

Russians aren't Chows. There's no cozy social contract that allows Russian Dear Leaders to keep the peace in return for compliance. Retired Russian bosses are rare. Most of them either die on the job or suffer the fate of the Romanovs.

Vlad watched Gaddafi's assasination over and over again. When the Arab Spring hit, he knew: that could be I. Yes, that could be I getting pulled out of a concrete pipe in the desert. That could be I getting bayoneted up the bot. That could be I getting shot with my own gold pistol.

Vlad didn't annexe Crimea to improve the lives of Crimeans. He didn't invade Ukraine to help the Ukrainian people. He's blowing Ukrainians up in their homes. He's destroying hospitals, schools, an entire generation of kids with PTSD. Vlad's attacking Ukrainian power plants to make Ukrainians cold, sick, and if possible, dead. His intention is to make 43 million people as unhappy as he possible can.

That's Aquascoot's "noble Vlad" for you, Meister. That's the guy who smells popular dissent and says ah, that could be I.

You?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:58pm

aquascoot wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:11pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:51am:

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:58am:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

Quote:

what the bugger are you talking about? there were very few real soviet 'invasions' besides the invasion of afghanistan,

Oh? We seem to recall your posts promoting the vax as a patriotic duty. Get vaxed, you said. Roll up your sleeves and take it like a man.

I am, you said. Stick it in, nurse, I won't even flinch.

That's the Superior Man for you, dear. Belt and braces, innit.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 29^th, 2023 at 2:16pm

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:58pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:11pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:51am:

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:58am:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

Quote:

what the bugger are you talking about? there were very few real soviet 'invasions' besides the invasion of afghanistan,

i spent all of 10 seconds thinking about the vaccine.

i was convinced no little jab of chemical could hurt me.

i still am.

harmless stuff.

i spent all of 10 seconds worrying about some mild respiratory virus

i was convinced no chest cold could hurt me

i still am

harmless stuff.

whats harmful is the way the west becoame poopy pants over the vaccine and the mild flu.

i'm sure in russia, the people didnt give a toss about it.

they seem a touch more resilient then the softcocks in the west.

its why vlad was tempted to attack.

he read Sun Tzu at the military academy.

CHAPTER 2 Avoid Strength, Attack Weakness

sounds like vlad and the corona virus have the same strategy ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 29^th, 2023 at 6:50pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-29/lukashenko-offers-nuclear-weapons-for-joining-russian-belarus/102407446

Alexander Lukashenko offers 'nuclear weapons
for everyone' joining Belarus-Russia union

Posted 1h ago

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko says if any other country wanted to join a Russia-Belarus union there could be "nuclear weapons for everyone".
Key points:

Mr Lukashenko says he is putting forward his own perspective, and not the view of Russia
Ukraine says it shot down 29 of 35 drones and 37 of 40 cruise missiles launched overnight at Kyiv
Russia also damaged infrastructure in another drone strike on the Black Sea port of Odesa

Russia moved ahead last week with a plan to deploy tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus, in the Kremlin's first deployment of such warheads outside Russia since the 1991 fall of the Soviet Union, spurring concerns in the West.

In an interview published on Russia's state television late on Sunday, Mr Lukashenko, President Vladimir Putin's staunchest ally among Russia's neighbours, said it must be "strategically understood" that Minsk and Moscow had a unique chance to unite.

"No-one is against Kazakhstan and other countries having the same close relations that we have with the Russian Federation," Mr Lukashenko said

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:40pm

aquascoot wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 2:16pm:

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:58pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:11pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:51am:

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 12:58am:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Karnal wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

Quote:

what the bugger are you talking about? there were very few real soviet 'invasions' besides the invasion of afghanistan,

That was a long ten seconds, dear. A good three weeks of taking your vax and worshipping the fridge lectures, followed by another week of "noble Gurkha" virtue signalling.

That's where you complained about the leftards not sending their vaxes over to the developing world, remember?

But yes, you appeared to switch horses after that. Two vaxes good, four vaxes bad. Or the other way around. Or something else entirely, or not.

Ever get the feeling you've been vaccinated?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:44pm

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 6:50pm:

Good news for us all, Bobby. Now, everybody can have some nukes.

I think it's a smart move. Vlad empowers Lukashenko to let her rip on every tinpot nuclear wannabe.

That's democracy, Superior Man style.

Read your Sun Tzu.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:49pm

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

Now any country can get some nukes as
long as they kiss Putin's arse.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:52pm

Can one lose a war 'goodly'?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 29^th, 2023 at 8:40pm

Finally - Russia gets a taste of their own medicine:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12135799/Russia-attack-Ukraine-forces-subject-Belgorod-region-heaviest-shelling-yet.html?ico=topics_pagination_desktop

29 May 2023

Russia under attack:

Ukraine forces subject Belgorod region to its heaviest shelling yet, hitting industrial facilities and leaving settlements without power

Ukrainian forces shelled several frontier settlements in Russian border region
Attack comes days after anti-Putin rebel groups briefly captured territory there.

Ukrainian forces today shelled several frontier settlements in the Russian border region of Belgorod just days after anti-Putin rebel groups briefly captured territory there, the local governor said.

Vyacheslav Gladkov said two industrial facilities in the border town of Shebekino had been shelled and four employees had been wounded while several settlements were left without electricity.

The governor ordered some 300 children to be evacuated from Shebekino and the border district of Graivoron and sent to summer camps away from the front lines.

Belgorod, which borders Ukraine's Kharkiv region, has repeatedly come under attack from Kyiv's forces since the beginning Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February last year.

Today's strike is the heaviest shelling since the beginning of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, local media reported.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 29^th, 2023 at 11:28pm

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:49pm:

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

Now any country can get some nukes as
long as they kiss Putin's arse.

That's the spirit. The "noble Vlad", the Air Asia of the nuke business.

Sorry - the "N word". The big fella would prefer we kept mum.

There's two N words we don't say, mkay?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 29^th, 2023 at 11:36pm

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 8:40pm:

And that's okay. Vlad's an Alpha stallion, nudging his foals into line. He does it out of love, Bobby.

Read your Sun Tzu.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 29^th, 2023 at 11:42pm

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 11:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:49pm:

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

Now any country can get some nukes as
long as they kiss Putin's arse.

That's the spirit. The "noble Vlad", the Air Asia of the nuke business.

Sorry - the "N word". The big fella would prefer we kept mum.

There's two N words we don't say, mkay?

Iran has been doing a lot of arse kissing lately -
selling drones to Russia to kill women and children in Ukraine.
Maybe Putin will give some Nukes to Iran?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 30^th, 2023 at 7:21am

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 11:42pm:

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 11:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:49pm:

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

Now any country can get some nukes as
long as they kiss Putin's arse.

That's the spirit. The "noble Vlad", the Air Asia of the nuke business.

Sorry - the "N word". The big fella would prefer we kept mum.

There's two N words we don't say, mkay?

Iran has been doing a lot of arse kissing lately -
selling drones to Russia to kill women and children in Ukraine.
Maybe Putin will give some Nukes to Iran?

Entirely possible Bobby

The massive amount of fear mongering done about kovid

And the massive amount of minimal ization done about the threat of nuclear war

Is spectacular in it's stupidity

A lot of old demented people tend to wander

Joe biden might just sleepwalk the world into a rather large catastrophe

I have certainly increased my stores of food and ammunition

Covid has a less than 1 in 1000 death rate

I would imagine the risk of a nuke going off sometime in the next couple of years is about 1 in 3

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 30^th, 2023 at 8:08am

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 7:21am:

yep -

'nuclear weapons for everyone' joining Belarus-Russia union

Bloody ridiculous and completely against all treaties that were ever signed.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 30^th, 2023 at 8:12am

Russian attacks on women and children continue:
Bloody cowards.

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-29-23/index.html

Russia launched a wave of attacks on Kyiv Sunday night into Monday, including a surprise daytime attack. More than 70 drones and missiles have been fired by Moscow since Sunday night, Ukrainian officials say, and many of the drones were shot down by the country's defenses.

The Kyiv city military administration said the daytime barrage was the 16th attack on the capital since the beginning of the month.
Ukrainian authorities are promising swift retaliation as the country's counteroffensive looms.

Here's what to know about the strikes on Kyiv and other top headlines:

Overnight attacks: Ukrainian air defenses destroyed 67 out of 75 "air targets" launched overnight on Kyiv, the commander of Ukraine’s Armed Forces said Monday. Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi said 37 cruise missiles, 29 Shahed drones and one reconnaissance drone were shot down. Police confirmed that “almost all enemy targets were destroyed,” but some buildings were damaged.

Rare daytime attacks: Just hours later, Kyiv came under an unusual daytime attack. Serhii Popko, the head of Kyiv city military administration, said this attack shows "the enemy changed its tactics – after prolonged, nighttime attacks only, it struck a peaceful city during the day when most residents were at work and outside.” Kyiv’s armed forces said it downed 11 Iskander missiles launched by Russia in the daytime raid. One man was hospitalized.

Attacks across other parts of Ukraine: The country's defenses destroyed 77 out of 89 Russian drones and missiles fired at various places in the country on Sunday night and Monday, the Ukrainian military said in an update Monday. The overall tally of missiles is one of the highest daily counts in recent months.

Ukraine vows to respond: The head of Ukraine's Defense Intelligence promised retribution "very soon" after the latest wave of Russian attacks. "Our response will not be delayed. Everyone will see everything soon," the official said. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky posted a half-minute video of children running to a shelter in Kyiv Monday morning as an explosion is heard in the background. "Thank you to everyone in the world who helps protect people and our children from Russian terror!" the president said.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 30^th, 2023 at 8:13am

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 7:21am:

I would imagine the risk of a nuke going off sometime in the next couple of years is about 1 in 3

1 in 3, eh!

.. and (it came to me in a dream) statistics.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 30^th, 2023 at 8:28am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 8:13am:

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 7:21am:

I would imagine the risk of a nuke going off sometime in the next couple of years is about 1 in 3

1 in 3, eh!

.. and (it came to me in a dream) statistics.

Lol

I heard it on a Joe Rogan podcast where he was discussing the issue with a former CIA and former department of defence senior person

What are your assessments master

I would be surprised if the consensus was that the chance was only 1 in 1000

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 30^th, 2023 at 8:34am

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 8:28am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 8:13am:

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 7:21am:

I would imagine the risk of a nuke going off sometime in the next couple of years is about 1 in 3

1 in 3, eh!

.. and (it came to me in a dream) statistics.

So you didn't base it on anything other than hearing it on Joe Rogan's podcast.

What do you know about the former CIA and former department of defence senior person?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 30^th, 2023 at 8:38am

The cowardly Russians are targeting women and children.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:15am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 8:34am:

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 8:28am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 8:13am:

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 7:21am:

I would imagine the risk of a nuke going off sometime in the next couple of years is about 1 in 3

1 in 3, eh!

.. and (it came to me in a dream) statistics.

So you didn't base it on anything other than hearing it on Joe Rogan's podcast.

What do you know about the former CIA and former department of defence senior person?

Was an interesting podcast

They talked about the number of times we have come very very close to a nuclear accident

What was particularly disturbing is just how much the system in both the USA and Russia is designed to make sure that the missiles launch if those at the top decide to launch

This was actually far worse in the USA

On a weekly basis the pentagon send out codes to all the nuclear sites and the two operators at each site turn the keys
Of course these codes are dummy runs
But the operators at the missile sites don't know that
What was also interesting was that if even one missile site operator turns the key
It will activate the system for all the other sites

So if trump or biden decide to send out the order
You can guarantee 100% for sure those missiles will be launched
There is no possibility for anyone to intervene

Sounds like more than one in 1000 chance to me meister

Are you saying the chance is 0
If not give us your guesstimate

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 30^th, 2023 at 10:11am

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:15am:

Sounds like more than one in 1000 chance to me meister

Are you saying the chance is 0
If not give us your guesstimate

Given neither of us knows, the difference between you and me on this is that I know I don't know. You, on the other hand, have deluded yourself that you are certain and you want others to believe you.

Do you know the process by which a presidential nuclear order is decided?

Nixon gave that order multiple times, but it didn't happen. Why not?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:46am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 10:11am:

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:15am:

Sounds like more than one in 1000 chance to me meister

Are you saying the chance is 0
If not give us your guesstimate

that of itself means its possible.

you think adolf, stalin, sadam, bin laden , tojo, gaddafi, idi amin and a stack of others wouldnt have used it?

you think we are more rational today then a few decades ago?

give us a guesstimate

of course no one knows. of course this is a guess.

whats your best guess?

mine is about 1 in 3.

thoughts or would you rather just focus on covid or climate change as our biggest "threats"

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:59am

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:46am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 10:11am:

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:15am:

Sounds like more than one in 1000 chance to me meister

Are you saying the chance is 0
If not give us your guesstimate

that of itself means its possible.

No, it means the opposite: That unilateral presidential nuclear orders are not carried out.

whats your best guess?

Hang on, I'll roll 3 dice... 1 in 342.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 30^th, 2023 at 12:18pm

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 7:21am:

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 11:42pm:

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 11:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:49pm:

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

Now any country can get some nukes as
long as they kiss Putin's arse.

That's the spirit. The "noble Vlad", the Air Asia of the nuke business.

Sorry - the "N word". The big fella would prefer we kept mum.

There's two N words we don't say, mkay?

Iran has been doing a lot of arse kissing lately -
selling drones to Russia to kill women and children in Ukraine.
Maybe Putin will give some Nukes to Iran?

Good to know, Aquascoot. You're stocking up. Belt and braces, innit. Do you know what you are, dear?

You're a survivalist.

It may not happen overnight but it will happen, no? Yes, a one in three chance of total annihilation.

Don't mention the N word. The big fella might have mentioned it once, but he thinks he got away with it.

It was only Tucker. He's a friend of ours.

I hope you've stored lots of green, leafy vegetables. It's important to keep regular and stay in shape, no?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 30^th, 2023 at 2:09pm

there is little chance of nuclear war, no one is starting nuclear armageddon because of this conflict, nor is NATO going to directly intervene, they don't care that much. this is all theatre just like covid was, ignore it and go about your day.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 30^th, 2023 at 2:55pm

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 11:42pm:

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 11:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:49pm:

Karnal wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

Now any country can get some nukes as
long as they kiss Putin's arse.

That's the spirit. The "noble Vlad", the Air Asia of the nuke business.

Sorry - the "N word". The big fella would prefer we kept mum.

There's two N words we don't say, mkay?

Iran has been doing a lot of arse kissing lately -
selling drones to Russia to kill women and children in Ukraine.
Maybe Putin will give some Nukes to Iran?

He's been doing that since the big fella cancelled Hussein Obama's deal, Bobby.

Iran's kicking along nicely. They should be using the N word by Christmas.

We will make America great again, no?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 30^th, 2023 at 2:57pm

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 2:09pm:

I don't think Ukrainians can afford to do that, JS. Do you think Vlad should try to stop blowing them up?

I'm curious.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 30^th, 2023 at 3:05pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:59am:

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:46am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 10:11am:

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:15am:

Sounds like more than one in 1000 chance to me meister

Are you saying the chance is 0
If not give us your guesstimate

that of itself means its possible.

No, it means the opposite: That unilateral presidential nuclear orders are not carried out.

whats your best guess?

Hang on, I'll roll 3 dice... 1 in 342.

There's s 33.3% chance of Aquascoot using the N word, Meister.

It's actually a lot higher if the big fella wins the primaries.

If Meatball wins, he'll be saying the W word a lot. You know, woke.

The next election will be a lot like watching Sesame Street. Poor old Sleepy Joe, eh? His response is predictable too.

Oh, come on, man...

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 30^th, 2023 at 3:18pm

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 2:57pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 2:09pm:

I don't think Ukrainians can afford to do that, JS. Do you think Vlad should try to stop blowing them up?

I'm curious.

i don't know what that has to do with my statement

but i would be running as far as possible from the SBU thugs as a young ukrainian man if they came to 'recruit' me like i've seen in videos on twitter many times before

like this guy

https://twitter.com/ReggieMeezer/status/1622662877730545681

https://twitter.com/NixinWolf/status/1646893540708962305

https://twitter.com/MeridionaliAura/status/1654225714026266624

there's just no shortage of these and they're great

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 30^th, 2023 at 5:54pm

Ukraine retaliates with its own drones hitting Moscow:

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-30-23/index.html

12 min ago

Moscow airports remain open after drone attacks, Russian officials say

From CNN's Radina Gigova

Moscow airports are functioning as usual following a drone attack that damaged several buildings in the capital city and the region, Russian state news agency TASS reported Tuesday.

All airports in the capital region are operating under normal conditions as of 8:00 a.m., and air traffic control dispatchers are working within normal limits, TASS reported, citing the press service of the Federal Air Transport Agency.

Russia’s Ministry of Defense has claimed that Ukraine is responsible for the alleged drone attack against Moscow on Tuesday. Kyiv is yet to comment on the incident.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 30^th, 2023 at 6:31pm

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 3:18pm:

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 2:57pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 2:09pm:

I don't think Ukrainians can afford to do that, JS. Do you think Vlad should try to stop blowing them up?

I'm curious.

I see. Let's ask an easier question then. If you were Ukrainian, would you want to integrate your country/bomb site with the EU or Russia Russia Russia?

I'm curious.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 30^th, 2023 at 6:44pm

Bobby. wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

So unfair, Bobby. Ukraine has no right to do THAT. What do those mean old Ukrainians think they're doing blowing up Russian buildings like this? What do they think this is?

A war?

Someone should tell Zalensky to mind his manners, dear. Russia is engaged in a harmless security operation. Vlad's a peacemaker. Genius!

Oh, that's beautiful - Russia gets all that cheap real estate for a lousy $2 worth of sanctions. The big fella's right, as usual.

So unfair!

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:07pm

The more likely truth, Bobby, is those drones were steered by the FSB.

Yes, while you complain about FBI agents triggering Jan 6, the experts at false flag operations are Team Vlad. False flags, fake news, election interference, global hacks.

What do you think got Vlad erected to begin with?

Read on...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:12pm

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

A war:

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-30-23/index.html

2 hr 21 min ago

Alleged drone attack on Moscow is "a new reality
we will have to recognize," Putin ally says

A man is seen through a window of a damaged multi-storey apartment block following a reported drone attack in Moscow, Russia, on May 30. (Maxim Shemetov/Reuters)

From CNN's Clare Sebastian and Radina Gigova in London

A man is seen through a window of a damaged multi-storey apartment block following a reported drone attack in Moscow, Russia, on May 30.

The alleged drone attack on Moscow is "a new reality we will have to recognize," said Alexander Kinshtein, a member of the Russian Parliament from President Vladimir Putin's United Russia party.

"Undoubtedly, sabotage and terrorist attacks by Ukraine will only grow. We need to drastically strengthen defense and security measures, especially in the area of countering drones," he said in a Telegram post Tuesday.

Kinshtein went on to say the fact that eight drones were allegedly shot down "should not comfort anyone."

"Do not underestimate the enemy!" he added.

Russia has blamed Ukraine for the alleged attack on Moscow early Tuesday. Kyiv is yet to comment on the incident.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Dnarever on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:21pm

Quote:

expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.

Yes - Ukraine were supposed to lose the war completely in the first 5 days.

It didn't happen now around 17 months later Ukraine has been consistently taking ground back from the Russians pushing them out of areas they originally took control of. They are obviously losing real bad.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 30^th, 2023 at 10:48pm

Bobby. wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:12pm:

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

Excuse me, are you disagreeing with Dear Leader? He said it's a peacekeeping mission.

He knows Vlad well. Very very well.

You?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 30^th, 2023 at 10:59pm

Dnarever wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:21pm:

Quote:

expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.

I don't think Russia is losing, its just not winning very well. If a significant chunk of territory east of the Dnipro River is liberated, then I would consider Russia to be sort of losing.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:02pm

Dnarever wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:21pm:

Quote:

expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.

It's all part of Vlad's plan, Dnerever. Right now, Russian troops are surrounding Kiev in a cunning pincer move, ready to decapitate the Ukrainian leadership and seize hold of the country.

Okay, would you believe...

https://youtu.be/bA-UPrK_x-k

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:05pm

issuevoter wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 10:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:21pm:

Quote:

expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.

I don't think Russia is losing, its just not winning very well. If a significant chunk of territory east of the Dnipro River is liberated, then I would consider Russia to be sort of losing.

Oh yes, I remember now. Missed it by that much...

https://youtu.be/g2vZonSDUgk

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Dnarever on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:13pm

issuevoter wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 10:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:21pm:

Quote:

expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.

I don't think Russia is losing, its just not winning very well. If a significant chunk of territory east of the Dnipro River is liberated, then I would consider Russia to be sort of losing.

Didn't say Russia is losing, they just aren't winning either.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:17pm

Bobby. wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:12pm:

[quote author=Karnal link=1684398818/374#374 date=1685436251]

So unfair, Bobby. Ukraine has no right to do THAT. What do those mean old Ukrainians think they're doing blowing up Russian buildings like this? What do they think this is?

A war?

Craw.

https://youtu.be/ftgAG3Vnif8

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:23pm

Bobby. wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:12pm:

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

pretty underwhelming sh1t. this is their revenge attack they were hyping up?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:30pm

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 3:18pm:

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 2:57pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 2:09pm:

I don't think Ukrainians can afford to do that, JS. Do you think Vlad should try to stop blowing them up?

I'm curious.

I see. Let's ask an easier question then. If you were Ukrainian, would you want to integrate your country/bomb site with the EU or Russia Russia Russia?

I'm curious.

how about just

neutral

and therein lies where this conflict started and what led in part to the turmoil - gallicians in the west dreaming of their glitzy european future at odds with russians in the east

don't try to fool me on this one the whole thing was a clusterfk and amerikkka and the boomer neocon cheerleaders who were sticking themselves in this were no angels throughout

just like how these spooks ruined iraq, libya, and attemptedly syria, which fortunately was thwarted by the ass man

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:48pm

Dnarever wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:13pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 10:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:21pm:

Quote:

expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.

I don't think Russia is losing, its just not winning very well. If a significant chunk of territory east of the Dnipro River is liberated, then I would consider Russia to be sort of losing.

Didn't say Russia is losing, they just aren't winning either.

I asked you not to tell me that.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:08am

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:30pm:

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 3:18pm:

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 2:57pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 2:09pm:

I don't think Ukrainians can afford to do that, JS. Do you think Vlad should try to stop blowing them up?

I'm curious.

I see. Let's ask an easier question then. If you were Ukrainian, would you want to integrate your country/bomb site with the EU or Russia Russia Russia?

I'm curious.

Just - neutral. Most broad-minded of you, dear. Do you know what you are?

You're a centrist. Yes, not for you these silly old culture wars. You're a multiculturalist. Rich byzantine tapestry, innit. A jolly old melting pot.

Most brave of you, JC. Ever get the feeling you've been hacked?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:19am

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:12pm:

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

pretty underwhelming sh1t. this is their revenge attack they were hyping up?

No, this is Vlad telling his Russian audience I told you so on Russia Today.

It's how he convinces the parents of kids coming home in zinc coffins that it's all worth it in the end, you see.

It's straight out of the Putin playbook. Before long, they'll be finding time bombs in Moscow apartment blocks, just like 1999.

And that's okay. You're neutral. It doesn't matter whether Vlad blows up Ukrainians or Russians, it's all good, no?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:02am

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:19am:

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:12pm:

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

pretty underwhelming sh1t. this is their revenge attack they were hyping up?

Convincing parents when their children come home in zinc coffins?

Sounds like LBJ in Vietnam
George Bush senior in Iraq
George Bush Jr and Iraq
Bill Clinton in Somalia
Hillary Clinton in Benghazi
Barack Obama in Afghanistan

Ever get the feeling you're a hypocrite

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 31^st, 2023 at 7:12am

Russian hypocrites -
when Russia does it they are heroes but when Ukraine
replies they are terrorists :-?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-31/russia-ukraine-war-drones-moscow-warns-severe-measures/102413318

Russia warns of harsh response as Vladimir Putin
labels Moscow drone strike a terrorist act by Ukraine

Posted 2h ago
2 hours ago
, updated 1h ago

President Vladimir Putin has said Ukraine's biggest-ever drone strike on Moscow was an attempt to scare and provoke Russia.
Key points:

Vladimir Putin accuses Kyiv of aiming to strike civilian targets in Moscow
The foreign minster says Russia has the right to respond with the "harshest" measures
The US is still gathering information on the drone attacks as Ukraine denies involvement

Russia said eight drones targeted civilian areas of Moscow and the Moscow region — with a population of more than 21 million — in the early hours of Tuesday (local time) but were either shot down or diverted with special electronic jammers.

Mr Putin cast the assault as a terrorist act that came after Russia struck at Ukraine's military intelligence headquarters several days ago.

He said the attack was aimed at "civilian targets" and Ukraine had chosen the path of attempting "to intimidate Russia, Russian citizens and attacks on residential buildings".

"This is clearly a sign of terrorist activity," Mr Putin said.

Air defences around Moscow — which as the capital of the world's biggest nuclear power is already protected by an extensive early warning system — would be strengthened, he said.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 31^st, 2023 at 7:12am

flip

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:10am

aquascoot wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:02am:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:19am:

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:12pm:

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

pretty underwhelming sh1t. this is their revenge attack they were hyping up?

No, dear. Hillary didn't blow up State Department buildings as false flags.

But correct me if I'm wrong, you're now justifying every future invasion by saying Uncle starting it?

When Iran launches nukes,you're going to say all good, Uncle nuked the Japs?

Is that the noble art of war you're playing?

From here on and henceforth, any rogue state can invade sovereign countries and you point to Hillary commenting favourably on the ousting of Gaddafi?

We note you're stocking up on ammunition. How far do you plan to take this?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:19am

Bobby. wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 7:12am:

The Ukrainian government's response, Bobby;

Quote:

A Ukrainian presidential aide denied Kyiv was directly involved in the Moscow attack, but said Ukraine was enjoying watching events and forecast more to come.

"Of course we are pleased to watch and predict an increase in the number of attacks," Mykhailo Podolyak said.

"But of course we have nothing directly to do with this."

It was either pro-Ukrainian Russians or Vlad himself.

Eitger way, be at peace. All is in accordance with the DP.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:32am

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:19am:

The Ukrainian government's response, Bobby;

Quote:

It was either pro-Ukrainian Russians or Vlad himself.

Either way, be at peace. All is in accordance with the DP.

“They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJB4hbGUjw4

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:08am

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:19am:

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:12pm:

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

pretty underwhelming sh1t. this is their revenge attack they were hyping up?

yeah i'm sure you know it was the russians and not the ukrainians. do you work for the kremlin and have insider information?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:09am

Bobby. wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:32am:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:19am:

The Ukrainian government's response, Bobby;

Quote:

It was either pro-Ukrainian Russians or Vlad himself.

Either way, be at peace. All is in accordance with the DP.

“They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJB4hbGUjw4

whirlwind of a drone singing the side of an apartment building a bit

wow

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:20am

What's going on in Moscow. First we have a little drone exploding over the Kremlin which could not possibly have flown all the way from Ukraine. And now, a multiple drone attack on a residential area. If we are going to say they are Ukrainian drones, what does that say about Russian air defenses? But again, they don't have the range. Who is launching these things?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:29am

issuevoter wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:20am:

almost like russia is a really big country or something and a tiny little drone attack isnt necessarily something you can 100% stop lmao

stopping drone attacks is actually pretty hard for air defense systems because they're calibrated for fast moving targets like missiles

imagine an unironic WHAT AIR DEFENSE DOING? sh1tpost on here

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:30am

issuevoter wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:20am:

Likely anti-Putin Russian militant groups acting independently of Kyiv.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:31am

WHAT AIR DEFENSE DOING

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:34pm

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:08am:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:19am:

JC Denton wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 11:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 9:12pm:

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

pretty underwhelming sh1t. this is their revenge attack they were hyping up?

yeah i'm sure you know it was the russians and not the ukrainians. do you work for the kremlin and have insider information?

You need insider information to see through Russian propaganda?

Good propaganda, comrade.

Zalensky's aide has already denied responsibility, dear. They owned the drone attack on the Russian ship, so I see no reason why they'd feign ignorance over a bit of Moscow property damage.

Of course, the biggest hit on the Kremlin to date wasn't even military. It was Navalny's scoop on Putin's Palace.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin%27s_Palace_(film)

Have you had a chance to watch it?

Ever get the feeling you've been exposed?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:49pm

wow they denied responsibility, they must be telling the truth

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:55pm

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:09am:

Bobby. wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:32am:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:19am:

The Ukrainian government's response, Bobby;

Quote:

It was either pro-Ukrainian Russians or Vlad himself.

Either way, be at peace. All is in accordance with the DP.

“They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJB4hbGUjw4

whirlwind of a drone singing the side of an apartment building a bit

wow

And before long, that whirlwind will become a roar.

Read your Vlad, dear - Vlad Illich.

Yes, nobody knows the Russian proletariat like good old Lenin.

Just a pity an entire class has been ploughed by a handful of oligarchs, no? Many of them have their mistresses and kids set up in Knightsbridge and Park Avenue, where they've registered their private jets and luxury yachts.

Ever get the feeling you've been plundered?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:06pm

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:49pm:

wow they denied responsibility, they must be telling the truth

Yes, and Vlad claims his palace is owned by his old judo partner Arkady Rotenberg.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55872249

That's a relief. Vlad's modest two-bedroom apartment in Moscow is the only property he's declared on his assets.

So good to have politicians telling the truth. The Russian people must feel so reassured, no?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:15pm

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:06pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:49pm:

wow they denied responsibility, they must be telling the truth

yeah

and nancy pelosi is ok with her husband trading in stocks that her legislation will affect the share price of.

so much so that she doesnt have a 2 bedroom apartment, she and paul have 220 million in declared assets.

so good to have politicians telling the truth. the american people must feel reassured, no ?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 31^st, 2023 at 4:10pm

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:06pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:49pm:

wow they denied responsibility, they must be telling the truth

why would the russians need to bother concocting a false flag incident to justify missile ramping, all they would need to do is point to the actual incursions into belgorod if they wanted to do that

and at this point it's questionable whether they would even need an excuse at all

what a waste of time

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 31^st, 2023 at 4:14pm

aquascoot wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:06pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:49pm:

wow they denied responsibility, they must be telling the truth

do you think he's ever wondered whether he's being conned?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:00pm

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 4:10pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:06pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:49pm:

wow they denied responsibility, they must be telling the truth

Because they're expecting the meat to arrive home soon, dear. After the Spring offensive.

Vlad's going to do everything he can to ramp up the propaganda on this one. Why?

Because he can't do it on the facts alone.

Ask Aquascoot whether Hillary put bombs in her constituents' apartment blocks, JS. Let's see how far he'll push his absurd false equivalencies.

You know, Hillary expressed satisfaction over the Arab Spring and Gaddafi's assasination, so it wouldn't be a stretch to say she's just as bad as Vlad, no?

That could work, ya?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:03pm

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:00pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 4:10pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:06pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:49pm:

wow they denied responsibility, they must be telling the truth

ah

so when we expose that there were FBI agents at the capitol building and it was , in part a false flag, you throw a hissy fit

but when russia gets bombed its definitely putin doing it as a false flag operation.

ever get the feeling you are inconsistent

and actually, yes , i believe most american politicians are just as power hungry and ruthless as vlad.

is that all you got ::)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:03pm

aquascoot wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:06pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:49pm:

wow they denied responsibility, they must be telling the truth

yeah

and nancy pelosi is ok with her husband trading in stocks that her legislation will affect the share price of.

There, you see? Nancy's hubby's got a quid, no? Why didn't she declare that expensive hairdresser of her's?

Vlad's got a billion dollar palace with $15,000 gold toilet brushes. They're all the same, no?

Yawn.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:10pm

aquascoot wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:03pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:00pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 4:10pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:06pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:49pm:

wow they denied responsibility, they must be telling the truth

Ah. So Vlad exploding a few harmless drones around Moscow to feign a "NATO" attack is the same as the FBI having eyes on a planned terrorist attack they'd been following for weeks.

Yes, I see what you mean, dear. Good call.

Keep them coming, Aquascoot.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:11pm

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:03pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:06pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:49pm:

wow they denied responsibility, they must be telling the truth

yeah

and nancy pelosi is ok with her husband trading in stocks that her legislation will affect the share price of.

yes, we well remember nancy going to the hairdressers during lockdown.
naughty girl

we remember paul buying up 100 million dollars worth of commercial real estate in LA as nancys democrat pal gavin newsome demolished businesses so paul pelosi could buy them for peanuts.

and now nancy wants to back gavin as the democrat nominee

oligarchs and thieves

why cant they be solid leaders like the noble donny and vlad

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:17pm

gotta love a lockdown ::) ::) ::)

After generally hovering near an estimated $100 million throughout the 2010s, the Pelosis’ net worth began shooting up in 2020 and by the end of 2021 had reached more than $171 million, according to the Wall Street Journal.
In 2021 alone, the Pelosis’ estimated net worth increased by $38.9 million, the largest annual increase the couple has enjoyed

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:17pm

how much did donny make out of the lockdowns matty fisk ::) ::)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:36pm

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:55pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:09am:

Bobby. wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:32am:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:19am:

The Ukrainian government's response, Bobby;

Quote:

It was either pro-Ukrainian Russians or Vlad himself.

Either way, be at peace. All is in accordance with the DP.

“They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJB4hbGUjw4

whirlwind of a drone singing the side of an apartment building a bit

wow

Will it turn into a 1,000 bomber raid?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:43pm

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:00pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 4:10pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:06pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:49pm:

wow they denied responsibility, they must be telling the truth

did you ever get the feeling you're just making sh1t up

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:03pm

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 4:14pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:06pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:49pm:

wow they denied responsibility, they must be telling the truth

do you think he's ever wondered whether he's being conned?

Conned? That's a bit harsh. More of a prod, I'd say.

The Superior Man's a bit naughty, you see. He calls it spitballing.

You know, when the big fella gets up in a public health briefing to say all the great things his administration's doing to save lives, he reverts to his days in the boardroom on the Apprentice, giving the teams fun new stuff to check out.

An injection of bleach to do a number on the lungs? Come on, gang, we're spitballing here, mkay? Put it on the board.

Number of deaths?

That's negative, nothing to see here, leftards. Cross that one out. Now, Chi-na...

So when Aquascoot gets all muddled over the truth, that's okay. That's just the leftards getting all pedantic. The Superior Man makes it up as he goes. He creates his own ReAlItY.

The "noble Vlad" is a blank canvas. He can be whatever you want.

You?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:05pm

aquascoot wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:17pm:

how much did donny make out of the lockdowns matty fisk ::) ::)

You'll have to ask his son in law, dear. Jared was given the chequebook for Operation Warp Speed.

My guess is we'll never know.

You?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:15pm

aquascoot wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:11pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:03pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:06pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:49pm:

wow they denied responsibility, they must be telling the truth

yeah

and nancy pelosi is ok with her husband trading in stocks that her legislation will affect the share price of.

Just so. Nancy was ever so naughty, no? Why can't she be more like the Don?

He claims $70,000 a year in tax back on his haircuts alone. Ee-gad, how much do you think he actually spends?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:21pm

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:43pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:00pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 4:10pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 1:06pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:49pm:

wow they denied responsibility, they must be telling the truth

did you ever get the feeling you're just making sh1t up

No, JC, and neither do you.

Unfortunately, everything I post here comes directly out of someone's own mouth. You know that very well. I have never had to make a thing up on this board yet.

I'm not that original, dear.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:26pm

aquascoot wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:17pm:

Lockdowns? Nancy made a buck from Republican tax cuts, but do you know?

We're not seeing a link here, Aquascoot, as ever.

Don't want to boost hits for the fake news, eh?

Cunning.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on May 31^st, 2023 at 6:32pm

Bobby. wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 5:36pm:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 12:55pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 11:09am:

Bobby. wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:32am:

Karnal wrote on May 31^st, 2023 at 9:19am:

The Ukrainian government's response, Bobby;

Quote:

It was either pro-Ukrainian Russians or Vlad himself.

Either way, be at peace. All is in accordance with the DP.

“They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJB4hbGUjw4

whirlwind of a drone singing the side of an apartment building a bit

wow

Will it turn into a 1,000 bomber raid?

I doubt we'll see too many oligarchs' kids enlisted. To date, they've come mainly from the provinces, where lives don't count.

The day one of Vlad's buddies has to pull his kid out of Oxford or Yale to face a near certain death in Ukraine is the day the Russian federation will truly crumble.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 6:26am

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/06/04/zelensky-admits-fear-of-trump-2024-begs-for-more-patriot-missile-systems/

4 Jun 2023

The Ukrainian President concluded that “50 Patriots” would be enough to protect Ukraine from Russian air attacks “for the most part”, implying that such weapons would be extremely beneficial to any Ukrainian counteroffensive.

At present, Ukraine has at least two Patriot batteries, which include launchers, a powerful radar system, a control station and other equipment. Zelesnky’s request for as many as 50, therefore, would be a massive ask for the Western world, with each individual Patriot platform reportedly costing over one billion dollars.

To make matters worse, according to Raytheon, the American manufacturer of the weapons system, only somewhere in the region of “240 Patriot fire units” have been produced for the entire world, with individual rockets of the latest generation for the platform costing as much as $4.1 million each.

Such a donation would ultimately dwarf the value of what has already been committed by the United States, alone, with the Biden administration having earmarked around $37 billion worth of security assistance to Ukraine, though billions more of American taxpayer dollars have been sent in other forms of aid.

The safety of the equipment is far from guaranteed either if sent to Ukraine, with one of the two batteries already in the country reportedly being successfully hit in a Russian strike, though U.S. security officials have insisted that the damage done was minimal.

Also here:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/patriot-air-defence-systems-deprive-075343327.html

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 10:12am

So, we have

- anti-Putin Russian militant groups operating inside Russia,
- Polish combat volunteers operating inside Russia,
- Macron conceding that France miscalculated Putin's refusal to agree to a peaceful outcome,
- China looking to end the war,
- and now Germany's Olaf Sholz shouting down anti-war protesters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dLkmkSffFo

Expect Finnish and Baltic volunteer combatants to join their Polish comrades.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 11:00am

ukraine got absolutely trounced today, multiple significant probing actions that completely failed at what appeared to be great expense

https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1665508835753172993

i suspect they are trying to turn these probing actions into a major offensive if they ever saw any initial success with them

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 3:45pm

Looks like the offensive has started and Ukraine is still losing:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65806152

Russia's defence ministry says it has thwarted a major Ukrainian offensive in Donetsk,
claiming to have killed 250 troops and destroyed armoured vehicles.

Video of what Russia says is the battle appears to show military vehicles coming under heavy fire in fields.

But there has been no comment from Kyiv and Russia's claim has not been independently verified.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 4:39pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 11:00am:

You'll love this one, JC. Ukraine's now playing culture wars to get back at evil Mother Russia.

Quote:

Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine appears to have spurred support for Ukraine’s LGBT community and a draft civil union law that would give same-sex partnerships legal status for the first time.

“Anything that our enemy hates … I will support,” said the Ukrainian MP Andrii Kozhemiakin, a wiry, conservative ex-spy who likes to emphasise his Christian faith and large family. “If it will never exist in Russia, it should exist and be supported here, to show them and signal to them that we are different. This law is like a smile towards Europe and a middle finger to Russia. So I support it.”

Inna Sovsun, the MP who drafted the law and is trying to shepherd it through parliament, said Kozhemiakin’s speech was “the most unexpected thing in my political career”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jun/05/russia-ukraine-war-live-moscow-claims-to-have-repelled-major-attack-in-donetsk-belgorod-energy-facility-on-fire

Anything our enemy hates I will support, no? Now where have we heard that before (on this site)?

Ee-gad, not only has Vlad turned his trad-val-Russia versus everybody-else schtick into a thing, he's actually made it happen. Ukrainian macho men would rather suck cock than join Vlad's pity party.

How to win friends and influence people, eh? Vlad's turning neural Europeans towards NATO, Soviet satelite states towards the EU, and now he's turning straight men gay.

Ever get the feeling you've been planted?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 5:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 3:45pm:

Russia's defence ministry says, eh? Russia's defence ministry says a lot of things, Bobby.

They're going to have a lot more to say soon too, when white Russian meat gets sent home, freshly-butchered.

One thing we know: Vlad can't run things. He can't manage a pandemic, he can't take over a friendly neighbour. He can't even get his goons to put the right dose of Novichok in Navalny's daks.

Vlad is good at propaganda. Riding bareback over the Siberian steppe. Pushing buttons in a fighter jet wearing $10,000 aviator shades. Hiring body doubles to meet ordinary Russians, shake hands and kiss babies.

Vlad manages the image. After 20 years running a country the size of Russia, Vlad still doesn't know how to get things done. He surrounds himself with yes-men to kiss his arse and say ah, and he sure knows how to intimidate. He puts out the appearance of being in control, but he leaves the running of the country to everybody else.

Vlad outsources. Even his most successful army is contracted. Vlad manages the image, and let's things take care of themselves. Russia's defence ministry will have a lot more to say in due course, Bobby, and all of it dictated by Vlad. You and I both know that most of it will be krap.

Whenever Vlad speaks, no matter what he says, know this: the exact opposite is the truth. Day, night, black, white. Follow this formula and you'll know.

It's an old Russian joke told by Navalny. Apparently it sounds much funnier in the original Russian.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 5:29pm

maybe if corrupt ukranians didnt sell their american donated billion dollar javelin missiles to mexican cartels , they would be doing a bit better

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Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 7:26pm

the corruption is over stated on both sides, sure it is happening but acting like at least 90% of all the stuff isnt going to where it needs to go is just wishful thinking

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 7:27pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 5:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 3:45pm:

Are you saying that Putin can't be trusted?

Could he resort to nukes?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:18am

Karnal wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 4:39pm:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 11:00am:

You'll love this one, JC. Ukraine's now playing culture wars to get back at evil Mother Russia.

Quote:

the govt would (or at least they know how to play the moral signaling game to their western benefactors), you really think a lot of ukrainian men on the ground love f@ggots lmao

this is reminscent of south africa legalising gay marriage back in the mid 2000s, it showed a huge disconnect between govt elites in the country and the average person there

gay & tranny worship are indispensable inviolable components of western secular religious belief, by doing this the ukrainian government are bending the knee to their wannabe masters

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 2:54pm

The Russians got very nasty:

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-06-23/index.html

Ukraine's military claims Russian forces
blew up Nova Kakhovka dam in southern Ukraine

A major dam located in a Russian-controlled part of southern Ukraine has been blown up by Russian forces, according to Ukraine’s military.

"The Russian Army has committed another act of terror," said Oleksandr Prokudin, the Ukraine-appointed head of the Kherson region military administration, in a video on Telegram. "It has blown up Kakhovka Hydro Power Plant. The water will reach critical level in five hours. Evacuation in the area of danger has started."

"All services are working," Prokudin added, urging residents along the East Bank of the Dnipro River to "leave dangerous areas immediately."

Drone video emerged late Monday showing a deluge of water gushing from a sizeable breach in the dam.

Ukraine's Operational Command South on Tuesday confirmed the dam's destruction in a post on their official Facebook saying they were assessing the scale of the destruction and calculating likely areas of flooding.

It is impossible to say who is responsible for the damage caused to the dam at this time.

However, the Russian-installed mayor of Nova Kakhovka, Vladimir Leontiev, on Tuesday denied the dam had collapsed in an interview with Russian state-run news agency RIA Novosti, calling it "nonsense."

The torrent of water seen escaping from the dam in the video has the potential to cause major destruction around Kherson city and other populated areas along the Dnipro River, according to analysts who have been fearing this breach could occur in the fighting.

The video posted on social media has been geolocated by CNN.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 3:00pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-06/nova-khakovka-dam-kherson-destroyed-region-flooding/102445926

It holds an 18-cubic-kilometre reservoir which also supplies water to the Crimean Peninsula,
annexed by Russia in 2014, and to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, which is also under Russian control.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 4:49pm

Yeah, its nasty, but in the long run it just means Russian is digging itself a deeper hole. More resentment, more revenge, more stuff to pay for when the war is over. By now they have realised that if they don't take Ukraine this year, they never will.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 6:04pm

issuevoter wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 4:49pm:

The Russians are very nasty players.
They are sore losers.
they will destroy Ukraine if they can't have it -
they have already started the job.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 6:09pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:18am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 4:39pm:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 11:00am:

You'll love this one, JC. Ukraine's now playing culture wars to get back at evil Mother Russia.

Quote:

These aren't the words of a liberal pro-Westerner, dear, they're the words of a guy fighting a total war with Russia.

I disagree. If you're going to back the hommers, do so with good reason. But this is a member of a government who not only now refuses to speak Russian, but would happily abandon the Cyrillic alphabet if they could.

That's not pro-liberal, that's anti-Fascist. Not that there's anything wrong with that, no?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 6:10pm

issuevoter wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 4:49pm:

They never will, as every schoolboy knows.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 6:17pm

Rotten scoundrels:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-65816109

Water levels will be critical within five hours - Ukraine

Kherson's regional head Oleksandr Prokudin has accused Russia of committing "yet another act of terror".

In an urgent video message posted on social media, he warns that water levels in the Dnipro river will be "critical" within five hours.

Prokudin says evacuation of those residents living in the threatened areas on the Ukraine-controlled right (western) bank of the Dnipro river has already started.

And he also appeals to the residents on the opposite bank - currently under Russian control - to immediately leave their homes.

What we know so far

Ukraine has accused Russia of blowing up a major dam at a hydro-electric power plant on the Dnipro river in the southern Kherson region of the country.

The dam is in the Russian-occupied town of Nova Kakhovka, where the Moscow-installed mayor has blamed Ukraine for the destruction.

If you're just joining us, here's what we know so far:

Water is flooding down the Dnipro river and is said to pose a risk of catastrophic flooding to Kherson
Evacuations are taking place across the region with at least 16,000 people at risk from the floodwaters, a Ukrainian governor has said
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has called an emergency meeting of the country's National Security and Defence Council
The Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant (ZNPP) relies on the water to cool its nuclear reactors. The situation there is currently said to be under control
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) says it is monitoring the situation closely

We'll continue bringing you updates here throughout the morning as we get them.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 6:26pm

Blowing up dams during a war?

Has vlad been watching the dambusters
Where the plot revolved around the heroism.of blowing up dams

Bobby is of course right
If Vlad can't takeover Ukraine wrecking it is almost as good an option

The Germans can come in with their electrically-powered bulldozers
During their current recession
Deprived of Russian oil and gas
And they can devote half their budget to rebuilding the country
And the other half to housing 2 million Ukrainian refugees

When it comes to strategy it's easy to see who is winning this war

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 6:28pm

Didn't the UK bomb dams during WW2 using a division of the RAF they called The Dam Busters?

If the UK actions were not a crime, why are Russia's actions a crime?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 6:37pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

yes - the new Russian strategy -
they are losing the war so
they are going to wreck Ukraine.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 7:15pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 6:28pm:

Didn't the UK bomb dams during WW2 using a division of the RAF they called The Dam Busters?

If the UK actions were not a crime, why are Russia's actions a crime?

Its not a war, its a Special Military Operation to liberate the Ukraine people from their Jewish Nazi overlords, so they can become Russian citizens, which they are just "dying" to do.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 7:18pm

issuevoter wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 7:15pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 6:28pm:

Didn't the UK bomb dams during WW2 using a division of the RAF they called The Dam Busters?

If the UK actions were not a crime, why are Russia's actions a crime?

Its not a war, its a Special Military Operation to liberate the Ukraine people from their Jewish Nazi overlords, so they can become Russian citizens, which they are just "dying" to do.

The deceased had not been informed.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 7:57pm

hope the russians actually did blow the dam, that would have been tactically clever

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Dnarever on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 10:23pm

Quote:

expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.

In March 2022 Russia took Much of the east of Ukraine and a corridor to Kiev as well as a lot of the North.

By Oct 2022 Ukraine had taken back the path through to Kiev and all of the north east.

March 2023 Ukraine had taken back a little more but much was locked down through winter.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:19pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 10:23pm:

Quote:

expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.

do you ever think there may have been more in depth reasons for what occured in all of those circumstances

ukraine has taken back effectively nothing since kharkov and kherson, and in the latter circumstance the russians gave them back the city, you are lying

kharkov was a vacated front with a significant numerical advantage, the ukrainians were opportunistically seizing upon the fact that russia did not have enough manpower to adequately defend the entire front

manpower has been a significant constraint on operations for both sides in this conflict, in reality despite being the biggest war in europe since world war 2, it is a fairly small scale conflict in the grand scheme of things, with both sides fighting with armies that in total are smaller than most major eastern front ww2 battles

ukraine wasn't even close to kherson at the time of russia's withdrawal, all their kherson offensive yielded after months and months of flailing and sending reconaissance groups into direct artillery fire was a few podunk villages along the dneiper river

it was not remotely possible for russia to capture the kiev metropolitan region with the number of men it had around the city; at that time, the only hope of seizing an urban conglomoration of 3m with a force of about ~50,000 men was a rapid capitulation ala georgia, which was obviously the plan A the kremlins were hoping for

when it became clear that was no longer possible, those forces were withdeawn and redeployed, sensibly

you seem to believe that armies should fight stupid unwinnable battles to the death, and this is a smart way for wars to be fought

and in retrospect given what has happened with the destruction of the novaya kakhovka dam surovkin's decision to withdraw from kherson was absolutely the correct thing to do, as the destruction of the dam could have easily left all russian soldiers on the left side of the dneiper river stranded, inundated and cut off from supplies

a completely reasonable decision in hindsight

what this war has communicated to me more than anything is modern armies don't have enough infantry with fighting power to effectively conduct operations, and are overly reliant on ranged deep strike weaponry which has little capacity to take and hold positions

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 6:24am

The Russians must have blown up that dam.

Look back at WW2 -
it required a dam busters bouncing bomb to blow up a dam.
The only other way is to place a giant explosive charge at
the base of the dam underwater.
The Ukrainians couldn't get anywhere near the dam to do that
as the Russians held it.

It's probably 40 meters thick of reinforced special concrete.
The Russians must have placed a gigantic charge underwater at its base.

What's next? - will the Russians blow up the nuclear reactors at Zaporizhia ?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 6:28am

See the video"

https://justthenews.com/videos/zelensky-accuses-russian-forces-blowing-hydroelectric-dam

In an address to the Bucharest Nine Summit in Vilnius, Lithuania on Tuesday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky accused Russia of “internally detonating” explosives inside a large hydro plant in Nova Kakhovka. The Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant was critically damaged shortly before 3 a.m. Tuesday, flooding dozens of cities across the region and forcing hundreds of Ukrainians to evacuate. “This is the largest man-made environmental disaster in Europe in decades. It is the most dangerous terrorist in the world,” said Zelensky in a Facebook post.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 7:00am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 6:28pm:

Didn't the UK bomb dams during WW2 using a division of the RAF they called The Dam Busters?

If the UK actions were not a crime, why are Russia's actions a crime?

The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 7:02am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 6:24am:

The Russians must have blown up that dam.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 7:10am

See the video:

https://justthenews.com/videos/zelensky-accuses-russian-forces-blowing-hydroelectric-dam

In an address to the Bucharest Nine Summit in Vilnius, Lithuania on Tuesday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky accused Russia of “internally detonating” explosives inside a large hydro plant in Nova Kakhovka. The Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant was critically damaged shortly before 3 a.m. Tuesday, flooding dozens of cities across the region and forcing hundreds of Ukrainians to evacuate. “This is the largest man-made environmental disaster in Europe in decades. It is the most dangerous terrorist in the world,” said Zelensky in a Facebook post.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 8:14am

Biden has said nothing about the dam.

This should be taken as a crossing of a red line - it's unacceptable.

How will the weak Biden respond?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 8:42am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 8:14am:

Biden has said nothing about the dam.

This should be taken as a crossing of a red line - it's unacceptable.

How will the weak Biden respond?

how do you even know who did it genius

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:03am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 8:14am:

Biden has said nothing about the dam.

This should be taken as a crossing of a red line - it's unacceptable.

How will the weak Biden respond?

And what would ~~Jesus~~ . . . sorry, Bobby do?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:24am

surovkin 100% made the right call to evacuate kherson last year and his cautiousness/lack of sentimentality demonstrates his effectiveness as a military commander

russia got ridiculed/dogpied for this decision but look at what could have happened had the dam been blown with russian forces still on the other side of the dneiper, absolute disaster

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:32am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 8:14am:

Biden has said nothing about the dam.

This should be taken as a crossing of a red line - it's unacceptable.

How will the weak Biden respond?

I wouldn't put all the blame on biden
But it does demonstrate yet again the impotence of the West

It takes a brave man to be a coward in the Soviet Union

Yet here in the West we want to ensure that our military is trans friendly
And if we do get a heroic brave strong competent soldier
Who is willing to match the tactics of the enemy

We can always rely on the woke lefties 2 try him as a war criminal

You reap what you sew
People in the west are familiar with this 1 hopes

Interestingly Bobby Chris Williamson had a military advisor on his show a couple of days ago who said that 70% of American males between the ages of 18 and 40 are unfit for recruitment due to obesity t mental health issues or a prior criminal offence

Yes again we see the impotence of the soft sentimental lefty keyboard warriors who aren't even fit for service ::)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:54am

aquascoot wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

Blowing up dams during a war?

Has vlad been watching the dambusters
Where the plot revolved around the heroism.of blowing up dams

Ah yes, those heroic RAF bombers and the dedicated engineers from Vickers, we remember it well, Aquascoot. A heroic pilot drops a newly invented bouncing bomb, designed to thwart the Nazis' torpedo nets in the Ruhr. Mother England wanted to destroy Germany's heavy manufacturing base and win the war. Cunning, no?

So I'm curious. How does that compare to Vlad destroying a civilian population's water supply? Mother England fought under the Geneva Convention, where targeting civilians was verboten.

Vlad begs to differ. His war effort is based entirely on, you know, targeting civilians. it's a new form of war for a new form of world, no? Vlad aims to destroy Ukraine's civilian population, from their apartments and hospitals and power plants and water supplies. That's his aim. He's not fighting a war, he's targeting a population.

Cunning? Perhaps. Heroic? I don't think so. The Dam Busters was a film about ethics in the true utilitarian fashion of the Brits: how to produce the maximum amount of good with the least amount of resources. Production scales, engineering, the seamless integration of the war effort with the home front; selflessly targeting and maximising one's efforts for the greater good. In the final scene, the engineer Wallis asks if Wing Commander Gibson will finally get some sleep. Gibson cannot; he says. He has to write letters to the dead airmen's next of kin.

If Vlad was to make a similar film, the values would be reversed: how to deploy the maximum amount of failure for the greatest loss of life. The ethical conundrum so particular to the war genre, how to justify the loss of life in the greater cause of victory, would be turned on its head.

In Vlad's retelling of the Dam Busters, the civilian death toll is an end in itself. Here, the film would lose much of its ethical potency. Generals and engineers would not be debating over targeting destruction to save life, but competing for Dear Leader's affection by causing as much death as possible. Where's the drama in that?

Heroes traditionally save lives. Sure they may kill, but they do so to save others. That's the point. Heroes are selfless. They put their own lives at risk to protect us.

So I'm curious. How does Vlad conducting an all out genocide on the Ukrainian population better the lives of Russians in any way? Let's exclude all the propagandistic reframing and retelling for once: how can this possibly be seen as heroic?

And one more, why do you idolise and revere such actions? How could you, a safe and comfortable beneficiary of such a weak Western country as Australia, possibly benefit from the destruction of a sovereign country in Eastern Europe? If Vlad's a hero, what's he doing for you?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:07am

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:32am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 8:14am:

Biden has said nothing about the dam.

This should be taken as a crossing of a red line - it's unacceptable.

How will the weak Biden respond?

70%, eh? "The West" doesn't have any boots on the ground in Ukraine. What's the figure in Ukraine, who's males are currently holding Vlad and his brave Russian soldiers back?

You may have mixed up your sums, dear. 70% is the percentage of white males in that age range who commit suicide in the US.

https://twitter.com/ChrisWillx/status/1650847128015745026

We see what you mean though. It's still 70%, so you got the figure right.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:14am

issuevoter wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:03am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 8:14am:

Biden has said nothing about the dam.

This should be taken as a crossing of a red line - it's unacceptable.

How will the weak Biden respond?

And what would ~~Jesus~~ . . . sorry, Bobby do?

What would Bobby's Dear Leader do?

Oh, that's right - stop the war within 24 hours of being elected.

Ever get the feeling you've been ploughed?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:18am

JC Denton wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:24am:

Yes, I see what you mean, JC. Vlad's to be congratulated for forcibly exiling Ukrainians to Russia. Yes, he saved them from his own bombs.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge, no?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:26am

Karnal wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:14am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:03am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 8:14am:

Biden has said nothing about the dam.

This should be taken as a crossing of a red line - it's unacceptable.

How will the weak Biden respond?

And what would ~~Jesus~~ . . . sorry, Bobby do?

What would Bobby's Dear Leader do?

Oh, that's right - stop the war within 24 hours of being elected.

Ever get the feeling you've been ploughed?

I think you need to face the fact that vlad decided to attack
When he was emboldened by the presence of feeble biden
And the woke agenda of the military
Which indicated to vlad

The weakness softness and meekness of the United States

I don't recall him rolling into the Ukraine whilst the big fella was at the helm

Ever get the feeling you're confused
Maybe Dr Jill I could check you out for senility

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 11:06am

JC Denton wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:19pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 10:23pm:

Quote:

expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.

What this war has communicated to me more than anything is don't start wars to begin with. You started off cheering Russia on, now you're just making excuses for Russia's failures, which were all obvious to begin with. Vlad was warned, but he didn't listen.

Vlad believed Zalensky would flee, Ukrainians would surrender, and the Western powers would leave Russia alone to deal with their own backyard.

Exactly the opposite happened. If Vlad had listened to his advisors instead of firing, killing or publicly humiliating them, he would have seen the likelihood of the opposite happening. Vlad's failures are greater than his military loss of face. They go to the heart of his leadership style and political model. His failures show this:

1. The Western alliance is strong. NATO is still a military hegemony. Vlad was warned of the consequences of invading Ukraine by Biden himself, but he ignored the advice.

2. Nationalist populism is the greatest threat to democracy. Vlad eroded human rights and liberties in Russia piece by piece, just as Bolsenaro in Brazil did, just as a Marine le Pen in France or a Donald Trump in America would, or would of if he could. People might be captivated by the nationalist jingoism they present, but the results are in. Russia is what you get: a poor, isolated backwater, shunned by the world.

3. Consensus-style leadership and democracy is efficient. Top-down, alpha-boss models don't share power, and therefore don't diversify responsibility. Russia's generals aren't owning their war, they're just being bossed around by some guy over the phone. The same applies to running governments. Russia's public service is still inept after the fall of the USSR as it just replaced the Party with the Boss. Same with the legal system. The only people in Russia with any power are the oligarchs in the private sector, and they have to listen to the Boss too. The Russian economy is seen as a skim by all involved, not a collaborative effort.

4. Invasions and foreign occupations don't work anymore. If no one noticed America's departure from Afghanistan, they can't miss Vlad's invasion of Ukraine. Hopefully, China takes note, despite holding Tibet after all these years. Zalensky is right: Ukraine could very well be the war to end all imperialist wars, but alas, people will inevitably be captivated by the populist nationalists who start them, so we need to listen too.

You?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 11:25am

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:26am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:14am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:03am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 8:14am:

Biden has said nothing about the dam.

This should be taken as a crossing of a red line - it's unacceptable.

How will the weak Biden respond?

And what would ~~Jesus~~ . . . sorry, Bobby do?

What would Bobby's Dear Leader do?

Oh, that's right - stop the war within 24 hours of being elected.

Ever get the feeling you've been ploughed?

Vlad didn't need to invade while Trump was in. He had a yes-man in the White House. He had a US prez withdrawing congressionally-approved military aid from Ukraine. He had the promise of an American withdrawal from the NATO alliance in term 2.

Vlad went into Ukraine when he lost that hope. Remember, Vlad doesn't want all that extra real estate for a lousy $2 worth of sanctions. He wants the security of knowing his own regime is safe enough to hand over to the next guy.

Vlad's real want here is retirement. He wants all his ducks in a row so he can move into Putin's Palace and live la dolce vita - in peace. He invaded Ukraine because he knew their democracy would spread to Russia, and it was. Navalny got a good ten million views on his Putin's Palace doco.

But I'm curious. Why do you keep mentioning Trump? He's the guy who stood next to Vlad and said he could see no reason why Vlad would interfere in a US election. He's the guy who tried to get congress to overturn Russian sanctions. He's the guy who said Putin's a genius, he knows him well, "very very well". He's the guy who's backed Vlad every step along the way.

Why do you think he's throw all that out and get tough on Vlad? You like Vlad, Dear Leader likes Vlad.

Great minds think alike, no?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Dnarever on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 11:56am

JC Denton wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:19pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 10:23pm:

Quote:

expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.

Quote:

do you ever think there may have been more in depth reasons for what occured in all of those circumstances

30% of the area that Russia originally took they couldn't hold.

Quote:

ukraine has taken back effectively nothing since kharkov and kherson, and in the latter circumstance the russians gave them back the city, you are lying

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Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Dnarever on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:01pm

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:34pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:26am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:14am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:03am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 8:14am:

Biden has said nothing about the dam.

This should be taken as a crossing of a red line - it's unacceptable.

How will the weak Biden respond?

And what would ~~Jesus~~ . . . sorry, Bobby do?

What would Bobby's Dear Leader do?

Oh, that's right - stop the war within 24 hours of being elected.

Ever get the feeling you've been ploughed?

Still not a word from old Biden -

he doesn't know what to do.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:43pm

Prigozhin isn't as confident of victory as some of the fascists here.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:47pm

Uncle Sam is determined to fight this war to the last Ukrainian.

Doesn't this situation have some connection to how the USA conquered Mexican territory and absorbed it into the USA.

How can the USA claim Russia's actions are illegal?

"This treaty, signed on February 2, 1848, ended the war between the United States and Mexico. By its terms, Mexico ceded 55 percent of its territory, including the present-day states California, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, most of Arizona and Colorado, and parts of Oklahoma, Kansas, and Wyoming."

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:52pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:47pm:

OK - why not go back to the Roman empire and we'll see what they did? ::)

Once again the United Nations has failed to stop war.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:55pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 11:25am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:26am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:14am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:03am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 8:14am:

Biden has said nothing about the dam.

This should be taken as a crossing of a red line - it's unacceptable.

How will the weak Biden respond?

And what would ~~Jesus~~ . . . sorry, Bobby do?

What would Bobby's Dear Leader do?

Oh, that's right - stop the war within 24 hours of being elected.

Ever get the feeling you've been ploughed?

i think you are confusing me with gweggy ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:57pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:55pm:

i think you are confusing me with gweggy ;D ;D ;D

The resident trans?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:03pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:52pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:47pm:

OK - why not go back to the Roman empire and we'll see what they did? ::)

Once again the United Nations has failed to stop war.

The UN has started more wars than it has stopped.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:13pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:52pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:47pm:

OK - why not go back to the Roman empire and we'll see what they did? ::)

Once again the United Nations has failed to stop war.

The UN has started more wars than it has stopped.

The UN should be closed down - it's hopeless.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:57pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 11:19pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 10:23pm:

Quote:

expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.

[quote]do you ever think there may have been more in depth reasons for what occured in all of those circumstances

30% of the area that Russia originally took they couldn't hold.

Quote:

ukraine has taken back effectively nothing since kharkov and kherson, and in the latter circumstance the russians gave them back the city, you are lying

I provided an accurate timeline. How is it that providing actual factual data a lie ?

The fact is that following the original invasion Russia have either been going backwards or stagnant.

Have a look at the last image in this BBC article.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682[/quote]

no, russia has only made gains in the last 6 months, though small gains (because they have been fighting the bulk of the ukrainian army in highly urbanised areas which are actually difficult to capture). ukraine has made practically none; since the front has been rationalised, russia has raised a significant mobile reserve and ukraine is no longer able to walk into manpower absent areas like they did in kharkov.

i'm more than aware of the the 'map'; i'm just telling you it's a lot more complicated than the narrative presented, and ukraine's overall strategic long term picture is questionable even if i do believe they have a specific pathway to victory. we will see whether they can achieve this, but as i have said previously, it depends far more (on a base case scenario) on what russia itself does rather than what ukraine actually does.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 1:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:52pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:47pm:

OK - why not go back to the Roman empire and we'll see what they did? ::)

Once again the United Nations has failed to stop war.

The UN has started more wars than it has stopped.

The UN should be closed down - it's hopeless.

Bobby is hopeless but he hasn't been closed down by his owner FleaDriver.

The UN is a forum for international communication and cooperation. Without the UN there would be even more conflict than there now is.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:16pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:55pm:

i think you are confusing me with gweggy ;D ;D ;D

The resident trans?

heres an admiral , biden appointed.

now that must have scared the russians ;D ;D ;D

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Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Captain Caveman on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:52pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:55pm:

i think you are confusing me with gweggy ;D ;D ;D

The resident trans?

heres an admiral , biden appointed.

now that must have scared the russians ;D ;D ;D

;D ;D ;D

The entire world is laughing at the united states of terrorism.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:02pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

Close them down and start another UN where countries sign agreements to
make the votes of the new UN enforceable or not join at all.
Get rid of the veto powers of 5 countries - no more vetos.

Put sanctions on any country that doesn't sign up.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Linus on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:20pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:02pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

Nice thought, but you're dreaming. Do you seriously think the superpowers would accept being subject to the UN let alone other countries like Israel which constantly ignore the UN?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Linus on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:21pm

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Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:22pm

Linus wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:02pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

Nice thought, but you're dreaming. Do you seriously think the superpowers would accept being subject to the UN let alone other countries like Israel that constantly ignore the UN.

Drastic action is needed.
Countries like Russia can go rogue and get away with it.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Linus on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:28pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:22pm:

Linus wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:02pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

Nice thought, but you're dreaming. Do you seriously think the superpowers would accept being subject to the UN let alone other countries like Israel that constantly ignore the UN.

Drastic action is needed.
Countries like Russia can go rogue and get away with it.

Ahhh yes, the USA. I don't think the Russians hold a candle to it.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:43pm

Linus wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:22pm:

Linus wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:02pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

Nice thought, but you're dreaming. Do you seriously think the superpowers would accept being subject to the UN let alone other countries like Israel that constantly ignore the UN.

Drastic action is needed.
Countries like Russia can go rogue and get away with it.

Ahhh yes, the USA. I don't think the Russians hold a candle to it.

Welcome back Linus.

Yes - the USA is the most Rogue political nation on the planet. It does what it likes since it threw the British (Commonwealth) rule book out the window.
They are a Privatised Political system that doesn't adhere to the United Nations either - and usually tries to undermine the UN.
It's a nation that is the most 'invasive' on the planet.
It has been proved to have paid Dictators 'under the table' to keep their nations weak, while the Fake Media condemned the Dictators 'over the table' for propaganda reasons. All for 'national security' in their minds.

It's disgraceful that the British infused Australia has in modern times aligned itself with the USA to help like 'mercenaries' - to aid America's dirty wars and tactics.

I don't blame 'all' of America - I blame the two factors of the Civil War where the Blue North (Democrats) Medical Party won the War and took the $money$ power and the Grey South (Confederates) Music/Media Party who took the 'pussy' :-*.
These two parties have done nothing but justify the problems in Asia and Africa too, besides ruining the USA with their $$$ & sexual (Gays/Trans/etc) corruptions.

Thankfully the Red East (Republican) Art Party (and recently via Trump) have declared themselves to stand apart of these two and what they stand for.
Now if only the White Supremacists can 'peacefully' create a White 'WESTERN' Party of Politics - real orthodox 'western' politics, we might see something good happening in the world.

Until then - the World (and America) must put up with the Blue North Democrat Medical Party with Hospital case Biden falling up steps and the Grey South Media/Music Party with their Gay/Trans/Paedo promotions.

The thing is that although the Grey South lost the 'war'.
Now we'll see the Blue North commit suicide to balance these two LOSERS!

Say no to the Blue North & Grey South.
Say yes to the Red East and the White West (the red and white stripes). ;)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:48pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:02pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

The UN is a failure, as was the League of Nations. No new organisation is going to be more successful at maintaining peace and order.

The burst dam shortens the frontline. That may be an advantage to either side tactically.

Putin is holding a nuclear gun at the head of NATO. That is the only reason he's getting away with it. China and India are enjoying watching NATO squirm, for now.

Biden will die in retirement. Putin is not that confident. It took some years to get Qaddafi, and for once they got someone else to do it, which is the smart way.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 4:16pm

issuevoter wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:02pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

Russia doesn't deserve to be a permanent member of the UN
as no responsible power would threaten to use nuclear weapons on a peaceful neighbor -
neither would they blow up a dam and cause such a catastrophe -
neither would they commit 1000s of war crimes.

Kick the Russians out of the UN for 100 years.
No one should ever trade with them again for 200 years.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 4:26pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 11:25am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:26am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:14am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:03am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 8:14am:

Biden has said nothing about the dam.

This should be taken as a crossing of a red line - it's unacceptable.

How will the weak Biden respond?

And what would ~~Jesus~~ . . . sorry, Bobby do?

What would Bobby's Dear Leader do?

Oh, that's right - stop the war within 24 hours of being elected.

Ever get the feeling you've been ploughed?

i think you are confusing me with gweggy ;D ;D ;D

Don't want to say, eh?

Cunning. The Superior Man no speaka da English.

No more questions for Aquascoot, leftards, he's having a nanna nap.

They say it increases one's dopamine levels, ya?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 4:29pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:52pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 12:55pm:

i think you are confusing me with gweggy ;D ;D ;D

The resident trans?

heres an admiral , biden appointed.

now that must have scared the russians ;D ;D ;D

;D ;D ;D

The entire world is laughing at the united states of terrorism.

Oh? What's wrong with her, Captain?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 4:40pm

issuevoter wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:02pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

If the UN is a failure?
Then its only because it has been undermined and weakened by nations like the USA, recently China and Russia along with even France.

Having no system like the UN or League or whatever - is far worse than having one - despite how much it can do.
It's an Alliance of Nations, like others - just with more involved in the Alliance.
No different to the Commonwealth, NATO and many others around the world.

All it has to do is just 'be there' representing the 'World' - that is its primary success. Only nations wanting to do selfish evil in the world, would rather it not be there.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 4:52pm

Jasin wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 4:40pm:

Nahh - if you have an old car that keeps breaking down it's better to buy a new car.

Same with the UN - it's a hopeless talk fest organisation for wordsmiths.

Too many countries just ignore it when it doesn't suit them
and the rest of the world keeps trading with them
as though nothing has changed.

The UN didn't stop multiple wars in Afghanistan and countless other wars:
Israel,
Yemen,
Vietnam,
Ukraine,
Iraq,
many wars in Africa -

the list seems to be endless and involves serious war crimes
committed by members of the UN that would have been
hanging offences under the Nuremberg principles.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Xavier on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 4:52pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 4:40pm:

That's why the world needs Flash Gordon.
Little Trump is doing his best, but he is just a little guy afterall.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:20pm

Jasin wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:00pm:

That's why the world needs Flash Gordon.
Little Trump is doing his best, but he is just a little guy afterall.

There is only 14 hours to save the world:

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 4:16pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 3:02pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

only one country has actually used nuclear weapons on somebody bobby

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:39pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:36pm:

only one country has actually used nuclear weapons on somebody bobby

yes and no matter how they tried to rationalise it -
it was still mass murder:

70,000 instantly in Hiroshima and another 70,000 instantly in Nagasaki.

About 200,000 more within a few months.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:46pm

Still no statement from the weak Biden. :o

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:49pm

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-07-23/index.html

Ukrainian troops witnessed Russian soldiers being swept up in floodwaters and fleeing the east bank of the Dnipro River after the collapse of the Nova Khakovka dam, an officer in Ukraine's armed forces said. Many Russian troops were killed or wounded in the chaos, according to the officer.

Capt. Andrei Pidlisnyi said when the dam collapsed in the early hours of Tuesday morning “no one on the Russian side was able to get away. All the regiments the Russians had on that side were flooded.”

Pidlisnyi told CNN he believed the Russians had deliberately attacked the dam to disrupt Ukrainian forces’ plans for an upcoming offensive.

“Around 3 a.m., the enemy blew up the Kakhovka Hydro Power Plant in order to raise the water level to flood the approaches and the left bank of the Dnipro River, as well as the settlements located there. And to make it impossible for the Ukrainian armed forces to advance in the future," he claimed.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:20pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:00pm:

That's why the world needs Flash Gordon.
Little Trump is doing his best, but he is just a little guy afterall.

There is only 14 hours to save the world:

[img https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/139/025/576/original/93997c8a6ab6b598.jpg[/img]

Unfortunately, Ozpolitic only has "Not-so-Flash Gordon" who couldn't defeat a quadriplegic, toothless, blind, geriatric, nun behind the Bondi sheds.

We are doomed.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 12:16am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:20pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:00pm:

That's why the world needs Flash Gordon.
Little Trump is doing his best, but he is just a little guy afterall.

There is only 14 hours to save the world:

Unfortunately, Ozpolitic only has "Not-so-Flash Gordon" who couldn't defeat a quadriplegic, toothless, blind, geriatric, nun behind the Bondi sheds.

We are doomed.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 5:11am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 10:49pm:

seems a bit odd the russians would flood their own positions?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 5:32am

Do you think?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:24am

Biden still quiet.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:48am

https://kyivindependent.com/media-australia-considers-sending-f-a-18-fighter-jets-to-ukraine/

Australia considers sending 41 F/A-18 fighter jets to Ukraine

by Martin Fornusek June 6, 2023 9:24 PM

Australia may send its 41 retired F/A-18 Hornet fighter jets to Ukraine,
the Australian Financial Review (AFR) wrote on June 6.

Canberra is reportedly discussing this possibility with its American and Ukrainian partners.

The transfer would require permission from the U.S., as it owns intellectual property on the F/A-18s. According to the report, Washington is "favorably disposed to the idea."

The retired Hornets of the Royal Australian Air Force are currently scheduled to be scrapped or sold to a private company, as they are to be replaced by 72 fifth-generation F-35 fighter jets.

Robert Potter, an Australian security expert advising the Ukrainian government, confirmed that negotiations were underway, but a specific deal is yet to be finalized, the AFR wrote.

The bulk of the planes would take little work to be brought up to flying conditions, while others could be cannibalized for scrap parts.

The U.S. has already joined a coalition to provide Ukraine with American-made aircraft, the F-16s.

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky said earlier on June 6 that Kyiv's military is expected to receive a "significant number" of F-16 jets.

more detail here:
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/retired-raaf-fighter-jets-could-be-sent-to-ukraine-20230605-p5de0h

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 8:24am

Australia may send its 41 retired F/A-18 Hornet fighter jets to Ukraine?

I'm not sure about the wisdom of that -
we could need those F/A-18s.
Russia and Ukraine are using 60 year old tanks as
most of the good stuff has been destroyed.
They have even taken tanks out of museums to send to the front lines.

We could find ourselves in a similar position if we're ever at war.
Ukraine and Russia are willing to use any old equipment now
and that's a warning to all countries about the destruction of old equipment.
We also bulldozed our F-111 fighter bombers into the ground outside Ipswich -
when they were retired even though they had capabilities that we don't have now -
including long range bombing missions with pin point accuracy
using laser guided bombs.

A lot of the breakdown of old parts is due to oxygen in the air
causing corrosion of metal and rubber to perish.
It's easy enough to store planes in air tight sheds and fill them with nitrogen gas -
a cheap and easy way to preserve them.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:01am

Lockheed Martin

A large American military company

Get to dump their obsolete planes on the Ukraine

And then get some new juicy contracts paid for by the Australian taxpayer

And who is going to fly these planes
Are they going to retrain some uber drivers from Kiev in the next fortnite ;D

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:10am

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:01am:

We could send our pilots too -
then there would be no training time for Ukrainian pilots.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:33am

i dont think you realise how inconsequential jet fighters would be for ukraine

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:36am

JC Denton wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:33am:

i dont think you realise how inconsequential jet fighters would be for ukraine

The Russians are using modified bombs -
they turn them into glide bombs that can glide 10 km and hit Ukrainian targets.
Jet fighters could shoot the Russian planes down and save many lives.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:43am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:36am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:33am:

i dont think you realise how inconsequential jet fighters would be for ukraine

The Russians are using modified bombs -
they turn them into glide bombs that can glide 10 km and hit Ukrainian targets.
Jet fighters could shoot the Russian planes down and save many lives.

neither side is able to use airpower very much because of the proliferation of effective soviet aa systems

russia has even more AA than ukraine, more advanced systems and deep strike capacities on airfields

western jets tend to be less robust also and require more ideal landing/take off conditions (otherwise they require inordinate maintenance to keep in the air)

the obsession with sending jet fighters to ukraine is perverse and is almost underpinned by some technophilic oooo jet planes oooo cool kind of logic

it will make barely any difference to anything whatsoever, and the timeframes for training and procurement etc are enormous

oh and i saw the source you were citing (kyiv independent) so this is probably f*king bullsh1t anyway

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 12:19pm

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 2:34pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:36am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:33am:

i dont think you realise how inconsequential jet fighters would be for ukraine

The Russians are using modified bombs -
they turn them into glide bombs that can glide 10 km and hit Ukrainian targets.
Jet fighters could shoot the Russian planes down and save many lives.

neither side is able to use airpower very much because of the proliferation of effective soviet aa systems

russia has even more AA than ukraine, more advanced systems and deep strike capacities on airfields

western jets tend to be less robust also and require more ideal landing/take off conditions (otherwise they require inordinate maintenance to keep in the air)

the obsession with sending jet fighters to ukraine is perverse and is almost underpinned by some technophilic oooo jet planes oooo cool kind of logic

it will make barely any difference to anything whatsoever, and the timeframes for training and procurement etc are enormous

oh and i saw the source you were citing (kyiv independent) so this is probably f*king bullsh1t anyway

I also quoted the AFR

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/retired-raaf-fighter-jets-could-be-sent-to-ukraine-20230605-p5de0h

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 2:35pm

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 4:45pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am:

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

We don't need them, dear. We have tens of thousands of Ukrainian apartments bombed. We have tens of thousands of Ukrainian children snatched. We have hundreds of thousands of ordinary Ukrainian civilians having their lives disrupted due to - who?

Oh, that's right, you.

Ever get the feeling you've been farmed?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 4:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 2:35pm:

Aussie Aussie Aussie.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Dnarever on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:57pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am:

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

The journalist reported what the politicians were telling them ? The politicians were telling lies and not just a few.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 12:21am

Dnarever wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am:

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

The journalist reported what the politicians were telling them ? The politicians were telling lies and not just a few.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:33am

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am:

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

The journalist reported what the politicians were telling them ? The politicians were telling lies and not just a few.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Strange. You were pretty keen to go into Ee-raq, JC. Listened to the media, eh?

Tsk tsk tsk.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:45am

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:33am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am:

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

The journalist reported what the politicians were telling them ? The politicians were telling lies and not just a few.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Strange. You were pretty keen to go into Ee-raq, JC. Listened to the media, eh?

Tsk tsk tsk.

bruh i was like 11 yrs old and had no opinion

i was too busy playing pokemon

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:04am

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:45am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:33am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am:

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

The journalist reported what the politicians were telling them ? The politicians were telling lies and not just a few.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Strange. You were pretty keen to go into Ee-raq, JC. Listened to the media, eh?

Tsk tsk tsk.

bruh i was like 11 yrs old and had no opinion

i was too busy playing pokemon

No no, we all remember your support for the invasion of Iraq, JC. You wanted to go into Iran too, no?

If you've become a peacenik since, we'll forgive you. Make love not war, eh?

Oh - you support Putin.

Sorry, dear, you don't have the peacenik option. You're free to be a Russian patriot if that helps.

I know, I know, you're Australian. But there are worse things than converting to Russian orthodoxy, no?

You could, for example, become a Muslim.

FD would never leave you alone then, eh?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:29am

not a bad point.

have to hand it to the taliban.

they kicked russian and american ass .

it pays to be ruthless.
ben roberts would get the VC if he fought for the taliban (maybe they hand out gold AK's)

he is strong competant, brave and ruthless.
what the winning side like in a warrior.

here is OZ a bunch of politicians , media and judiciary with yellow streaks down the back of his back give him a criminal record.

its why the west wont be winning any more wars .

they have lost the warrior essence

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:35am

aquascoot wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:29am:

Ben?
He was no warrior - he is a cruel animal.
He murders innocent people in cold blood.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 11:42am

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:04am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:45am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:33am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am:

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

The journalist reported what the politicians were telling them ? The politicians were telling lies and not just a few.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Strange. You were pretty keen to go into Ee-raq, JC. Listened to the media, eh?

Tsk tsk tsk.

bruh i was like 11 yrs old and had no opinion

i was too busy playing pokemon

karnal is trolling fyi

i dont support no stinkin wars and never did

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:45pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:29am:

BRS is a psycho kunt

he kicked some rando old guy off a cliff for no reason

hes also a giant pussy who hired a private eye to spy on his co workers bc he was afraid of them saying mean things about him behind his back

a regular conan the barbarian alright, sounds like some overgrown office dweeb in military garb to me

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 2:33pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:29am:

True. The Taliban mined disabled Afghanis to blow up Aussies when we rescued them. Cunning, no?

Ben Roberts Smith just sicked the dogs on them, shot them in ditches and knocked off their artificial limbs to use as drinking vessels.

Chalk and cheese, innit.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 2:36pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 11:42am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:04am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:45am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:33am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:08am:

Do you know?

Maybe the tens of thousands of Western journalists who told us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are willing to inform the community

The journalist reported what the politicians were telling them ? The politicians were telling lies and not just a few.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Strange. You were pretty keen to go into Ee-raq, JC. Listened to the media, eh?

Tsk tsk tsk.

bruh i was like 11 yrs old and had no opinion

i was too busy playing pokemon

karnal is trolling fyi

i dont support no stinkin wars and never did

Then you changed your mind, JC. Smart move, if you want my opinion.

So why do you support Russia's mobilisation now?

You haven't said.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 2:40pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:35am:

He murders innocent people in cold blood.

I think that was Aquascoot's selling point, Bobby.

Don't like it? Take it up with the Superior Man. He's one up from the chodes, who as we all know, live lives of pure garbage.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 2:56pm

link to any point where i said anything favourable about the iraq war on here pls or u trollin

i joined here in 2008 and have barely posted in years

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:04pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 2:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:35am:

He murders innocent people in cold blood.

I think that was Aquascoot's selling point, Bobby.

Don't like it? Take it up with the Superior Man. He's one up from the chodes, who as we all know, live lives of pure garbage.

who exactly do you want in your military if not cold blooded murderers.

this is who biden wants to recruit ::) ::) ::)

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Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:53pm

Trump will make a deal in Jan 2025.

The war won't over till then.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:07pm

how many ukrainians will have to die until somebody in the west has the gumption to start talking peace or start negotiating something reasonable

this seeming counteroffensive (which i think westoids have strongarmed the ukrainians into doing) is floundering so far, hard

it's absolutely brutal seeing the footage coming out rn

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:20pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:07pm:

I agree - there will be nothing left of Ukraine the way it's going.
They don't even have a proper modern air force.
They can't win without that.
Many of their tanks were pulled out of museums.
Even the jet fighters they are promising are 40 years old -
it's pathetic.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:25pm

yes bobby

the biggest issue though is they dont have enough manpower

neither side does, you cant effectively couduct rapid operations without the requisite number of infantry

their offensive so far appears to be too small scale to penetrate doctrinally organised russian entrenchments

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:27pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

But let's go back to Blitzkrieg in WW2.

The Germans attacked a strong point on the front line.
They crushed it with artillery, tanks and air power - dive bombers.
They then kept going and circled either side so that the enemy troops
either side of the previous strong point were encircled and
were fired on from 360 degrees.
They took millions of prisoners in Russia that way
and killed many millions more.

Ukraine just can't do that without overwhelming military power.
The West has only given Ukraine enough power to form a stalemate.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 10^th, 2023 at 1:13pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 2:56pm:

link to any point where i said anything favourable about the iraq war on here pls or u trollin

i joined here in 2008 and have barely posted in years

No no, you don't get to play no-speaka here, JC. We remember your 2008 posts well. We remember all our friends' posts here. You're more that free to find them yourself, if you've forgotten.

Now, would you care to answer the question? If you're so concerned about peace in our time, why are you backing the biggest warmonger since good old A.H?

I know, nice guy, he invented the Volkswagen and the Autobahn (sort of). But like Vlad, coincidentally, he also invented WHITE PRIDE, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Does that have anything to do with it, do you think, JC?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 10^th, 2023 at 1:29pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

While fundamental to a war, boots on the ground are not data. Boots can be spooked. They require feeding and alcohol and circle jerks and R&R to stay in shape. A good sixth of them go home as vegetables. At least a third, PTSD. In this war, another third's going to come home in a zinc coffin, forgetting all the retards and zombies that will fill Moscow's streets by night for the next twenty years. Plenty won't ever see the streets again. The remaining third will come home eating - and shitting - through a tube.

If you that that's worth it, JC, you know, for a bit of jolly old culture wars, please explain?

The rest of us here think it's insane. You?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 10^th, 2023 at 1:45pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:07pm:

how many ukrainians will have to die until somebody in the west has the gumption to start talking peace or start negotiating something reasonable

Putin doesn't want to negotiate though.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 10^th, 2023 at 4:41pm

war

....

war never changes

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on Jun 10^th, 2023 at 6:10pm

If you are planning to buy a Chinese vehicle, this is what you will be funding. And afterwards, it will be Taiwan. And you thought Globalisation was a good idea?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBYvANubSvM

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 2:26am

issuevoter wrote on Jun 10^th, 2023 at 6:10pm:

welp probably wanted to get our clocks cleaned on that whole make labor land and energy too expensive to make fking anything for any cost effective price in australia plan we've been implementing for the past 50 or so years then

but i guess the boomers got their outer suburban shack being valued at 1.7m so that made that whole de-industrialisation thing hawkey and keating kicked off all the worthwhile hey

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 2:54am

hope china does invade taiwan next btw

FAKE COUNTRY CLOSING DOWN SALE

ALL EXTRANEOUS NATIONS MUST GO - GO - GO

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 6:35am

Well - the offensive has officially started and it seems to be a bit of a fizzer.

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-10-23/index.html

Speaking in Kyiv Saturday, the Ukrainian leader was asked to respond to comments by his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin, who claimed Friday that the Ukrainian counteroffensive has certainly begun — and was not finding success.

Zelensky shrugged off Putin’s suggestions that Ukraine’s armed forces were struggling and sought to apply some psychological pressure of his own.

“It is interesting that Putin was talking about our counteroffensive," Zelensky said in response. "It is important that Russia feels (the counteroffensive), feels that they do not have much time left."

Zelensky said “relevant counteroffensive and defensive actions are taking place in Ukraine," but said he "will not give any details about the stage it is at.”

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 6:47am

its flopping

the footage coming out on twitter is brutal

the entire strategy for it was predicated on the notion that russia is weak, incompetent and on the brink of collapse

when you get too high on your own supply, this is the result

ukraine could still surprise to the upside but so far this thing feels like it was planned by a retarded man they found at the bus stop

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 6:49am

JC Denton wrote on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 6:47am:

its flopping so far

the entire strategy for it was predicated on the notion that russia is weak, incompetent and on the brink of collapse

when you get too high on your own supply, this is the result

The West has only supplied enough weapons to keep the war going forever.
I mean - Ukraine is using many tanks out of museums and
still hasn't got 40 year old F-16 fighter jets. :-[
What a joke - just give up already.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 6:57am

nothing lasts forever

even if you assume they will supply weapons indefinitely, the west cant supply ukraine with bodies to use them, in a purely attritional war the side with more bodies to fight will eventually win, and that isn't ukraine

there's no reason to assume infinite funding of weaponry anyway, eventually the west will move to discard ukraine like a used c*m rag after they tire of this

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 7:11am

JC Denton wrote on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 6:57am:

nothing lasts forever

even if you assume they will supply weapons indefinitely, the west cant supply ukraine with bodies to use them, in a purely attritional war the side with more bodies to fight will eventually win, and that isn't ukraine

there's no reason to assume infinite ukrainian funding of weaponry anyway, eventually the west will move to discard ukraine like a used c*m rag after they tire of this

At the start of the war Zelensky asked for a no fly zone over Ukraine.
Biden was too weak to stand up to Putin and supply that.
The column of tanks that moved into Ukraine heading for Kiev was bogged down
on the road for over 3 weeks and Biden should have turned that into a highway of death
with air strikes till there were no tanks left and Putin was taught a lesson for a bully.
Then when Russia invaded eastern Ukraine the Yanks could have used air power
to pound them and stop the advance.
You either fight a war or stay out -
the policy of Biden has meant that every day more and more of Ukraine is destroyed -
and now look at it -
whole cities raised to ground and even a dam busted to flood out 100s of square miles.
It's a Biden made disaster.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 7:16am

you're insane if you wanted a no fly zone over ukraine

like that would be easily imposable anyway, russia isn't libya or some other tinpot middle eastern country americans can bully into submission with their air force, the russians have anti-air competency and the capacity to fight back

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 7:20am

JC Denton wrote on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 7:16am:

Nah - the Yanks could have targeted all the S-300 anti-aircraft batteries
just like they did in 1991 when Saddam had the most advanced
SAM systems in the world.
SAM sites give away their position because they use powerful radar.

This war could have all been over by April 2022.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 7:24am

no, using the example of some incompetent, low trust iq 85 arab army like iraq's during desert storm and expecting the same result with the russians and their own anti-air defense corps is cretinous

the americans had to ground much of their air force during the serbian intervention in the late 1990s because the serbs were surprisingly proficient at destroying their planes

and this is moronic anyway given even if your insane plan had even the remotest chance of success this would have highly likely resulted in a global nuclear exchange, even a probable alzeimer patient like biden isn't retarded enough to have risked that (especially over a sh1t hole like ukraine)

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 7:41am

JC Denton wrote on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 7:24am:

Nah - Putin's troops would have only been in jeopardy on Ukrainian territory.
It wasn't a war against Russia.
The Russian troops would have been running back to Russia in humiliation
if they were still alive.

A lot has happened since 1991 -
the ability to take out SAM sites has been improved.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 9:38pm

Good video:

47,025 views Jun 7, 2023

Renowned professor John Mearsheimer gives his analysis on how the war in Ukraine
is going and more importantly how the war will end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJD4ub85-so&t=236s

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 12^th, 2023 at 9:13am

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/06/11/russia-hits-western-vehicles-medals-claims-ukraine-war/

Russian soldiers awarded highest military honours for destroying Western tanks

Vladimir Putin’s defence minister awards medals after claims that German-made Leopard tanks and US Bradley fighting vehicles were destroyed
By Our Foreign Staff 11 June 2023 • 7:53pm

Ukrainian armoured vehicles lie destroyed in southern Ukraine Credit: Reuters

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Dnarever on Jun 12^th, 2023 at 11:41am

JC Denton wrote on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 7:24am:

Russia's failure in Ukraine has shown that their armed forces have decayed and are not currently up to scratch partially due to finance corruption. The speculation was that it would take them a week or two. They failed because their forces were not where they were expected to be.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 12^th, 2023 at 1:04pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 10^th, 2023 at 4:41pm:

war

....

war never changes

Don't want to say, eh? Now why's that, JC?

Why are you so reluctant to explain your support for a totalitarian dictator?

That's a question.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on Jun 12^th, 2023 at 1:19pm

I don't know if this is true, but it is interesting as it quotes the Belarus top brass. And as things turned out, it looks like the right call.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtdN6i7PK7s

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 13^th, 2023 at 9:15am

Poor bloke - Putin is a monster who must be stopped at all costs.

36,845 views Jun 12, 2023

The village of Afanasiyivka was turned into an island by floodwaters after the breach of the Kakhovka dam. One local, Yuriy Danylovych, waded chest-deep in water through his family home and had a bitter, sarcastic message for the Russian president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8tllWBLRYo

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 13^th, 2023 at 9:16am

Russian air defence:

169,916 views Jun 12, 2023

Also known as SA-22 Greyhound, the Pantsir missile system embodies a combination of advanced technology, mobility, and firepower. Its alternate name, "Carapace," alludes to the impenetrable armor of a turtle, further emphasizing its defensive strength and resilience on the battlefield. Operating on mobile, ground-based platforms, the Pantsir missile system is designed to counter a wide range of threats, including aircraft, helicopters, drones, and precision-guided munitions. It is equipped with both surface-to-air missiles and rapid-fire cannons, providing a layered defense against aerial targets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNYAlO8AIWk

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 6:35am

Ukraine counteroffensive progressing towards 'big win' scenario

Maj. Gen. Chapman and Tim Marshall

Times Radio
396K subscribers

239,196 views Jun 12, 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijKtn1HgauA

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 7:43am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13^th, 2023 at 9:15am:

I know, Bobby, but there may have been some Ukrainian soldiers there the Russians wanted to drown.

You get that. Why use bullets when you can use a dam? I guess Vlad wanted to give the crops a drink, no?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 9:54pm

Pathetic gains for much loss of blood.
1 square mile taken back, 62,000 more to go.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-65898762

Ukraine made limited territorial gains yesterday, researchers say

The Institute for the Study of War is a US-based group that provides daily updates on the war in Ukraine.

It reports on changes to the front lines using a mixture of sources, including military intelligence and footage published online.

Its latest update

says that Ukraine made "limited territorial gains" yesterday.

As our last post says, the Ukrainians claim to have taken back a square mile over the past three days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-occupied_territories_of_Ukraine

Before 2022, Russia occupied 42,000 km2 (16,000 sq mi) of Ukrainian territory (Crimea, and parts of Donetsk and Luhansk), and occupied an additional 119,000 km2 (46,000 sq mi) after its full-scale invasion by March 2022, a total of 161,000 km2 (62,000 sq mi) or almost 27% of Ukraine's territory.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Captain Caveman on Jun 15^th, 2023 at 5:01pm

This is how journalism works.
Get amongst it and tell the truth.

https://youtu.be/ZQZ-gLo_OpE

Amazing.
Just drop the weapons and run.
No wonder the US is broke. ;D

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 5:18pm

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hj7ygeyvn

The US Department of Defense should soon approve an Israeli sale of hundreds of Merkava Mark 2 and Mark 3 tanks, that were manufactured in Israel in the 1980s and 1990s and have been decommissioned in recent years, to two foreign countries – one of them in Europe. The sale comes against the backdrop of the war in Ukraine and renewed demand for armored war vehicles. This is the first time that Merkava tanks will be sold to a European country.

The Defense Ministry is not specifying the names of the two countries that agreed on the purchase of more than 200 used Israeli tanks due to the sensitivity of the process, but the deal is on the verge of a final signature and is expected to be completed relatively soon, within about three months. Officials at the Defense Ministry told Ynet that since certain mechanical parts in these tanks are American made, especially the engine, approval from the Department of Defense in Washington is required to carry out the transaction.
According to some estimates, the scope of the deal will reach several tens of millions of dollars for all the tanks, an amount that will enter the state coffers and will probably be transferred directly to the defense establishment. This is an amount that is considered negligible in relation to the purchase of new Western tanks. By comparison, about a decade ago, the Defense Ministry offered a foreign country the opportunity to purchase a new Mark 4 Merkava tank from the production line for approximately $4 million per tank.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Dnarever on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 5:30pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 9:54pm:

Quote:

by March 2022, a total of 161,000 km2 (62,000 sq mi) or almost 27% of Ukraine's territory.

If you look at the current maps it looks like Russia has been pushed back to now holding around 8% to 10%.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 5:43pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

If you look at the current maps it looks like Russia has been pushed back to now holding around 8% to 10%.

Ukraine's reserves will make all the difference.
Once the Ukrainians break through at any one part of the line
they can call on reserves in to push on to the sea.
They can then mop up any Russian defenders - at either side.
at least that would be the plan.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 6:07pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

If you look at the current maps it looks like Russia has been pushed back to now holding around 8% to 10%.

General Bobby reveals the secret strategy.

Is Ukraine now going to lose 'goodly' after Bobby's intervention? Is that better than losing badly?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 6:12pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 6:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

If you look at the current maps it looks like Russia has been pushed back to now holding around 8% to 10%.

General Bobby reveals the secret strategy.

Is Ukraine now going to lose 'goodly' after Bobby's intervention? Is that better than losing badly?

We still have to worry about Putin's nukes.
If he thinks he's losing badly he may decide that a nuke would be a game changer.

General Bobby.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 6:24pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60664169

Russia is planning to annex the regions of southern and eastern Ukraine it has occupied after holding self-styled referendums. President Putin says he is ready to defend the "territorial integrity" of the regions "by all means."

US intelligence see this as a threat to the West not to help Ukraine try and retake these territories, rather than as a sign that he is planning a nuclear war.

But others worry that Russia, if it suffers further setbacks, might be tempted to use a smaller tactical weapon in Ukraine as a "game changer", to break a stalemate or avoid defeat.

James Acton, a nuclear expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Pace in Washington DC, says: "I am legitimately worried that in that circumstance, Putin might use a nuclear weapon - most likely on the ground in Ukraine to terrify everyone and get his way. We are not at that point yet."

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 6:31pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 6:24pm:

What about Tassie?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 6:38pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 6:24pm:

What about Tassie?

Tassie?

Are you OK? :-/

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by issuevoter on Jun 19^th, 2023 at 4:52am

While the EU and USA are in the process of supplying F16 and other jet fighters to Ukraine, 41 of Australia's F/A 18s will probably go to Ukraine also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wYX2w5OKHg

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 28^th, 2023 at 10:13pm

A spy. :o

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-28-23/index.html
50 min ago

Ukrainian officials detain alleged "Russian intelligence agent"
linked to Kramatorsk restaurant strike

From CNN’s Maria Kostenko

The Ukrainian Security Service says it has detained a man who allegedly scouted the Kramatorsk pizzeria and sent a video of the site to the Russian Armed Forces prior to the strike Tuesday.

They described the man as a “Russian intelligence agent.”

“It has been established that the detained adjuster of the strike on Kramatorsk was an agent of the main department of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces (better known as GRU). On June 27, he was tasked with finding out whether the aforementioned cafe was open and recording visitors are present there.”

“To execute the enemy's instructions, the GRU agent took a covert video recording of the establishment and vehicles parked nearby. Then the suspect forwarded the footage to Russian military intelligence,” it said on Telegram.

“Having received this information, Russian invaders fired on the cafe with people inside,” the Ukrainian Security Service alleges.

At least 10 people were killed in the strike on the Kramatorsk city center on Tuesday.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 28^th, 2023 at 10:14pm

flip

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jun 30^th, 2023 at 8:21am

This is an excellent video:

120,103 views Jun 29, 2023 Frontline

The War in Ukraine and Global Security

"Part of this process is achieving air superiority...then you begin to think about
the surface to air missiles and then you begin to think about supporting troops on the ground."

In Frontline's air power panel, former F-16 pilot Ed Smith and former fighter pilot
and military analyst Sean Bell discuss how Ukraine could use modern NATO fighters
to gain air dominance over Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuudTiYdsEk

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jul 3^rd, 2023 at 9:39am

So much for the Ukrainian offensive?

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-07-02-23/index.html

3 hr 22 min ago

Russia has made some advances on the eastern front
while heavy fighting rages in the south, Ukraine says

From CNN's Mariya Knight and Kostan Nechyporenko

Russian forces have gained some ground near the eastern Ukrainian town of Svatove, Ukraine's deputy defense minister said Sunday.

“Fierce fighting is taking place there. The enemy is attacking Bilohorivka and Serebrianka,” the defense official, Hanna Maliar, said in a Telegram post, referring to two smaller villages south of Svatove.

Why it matters: The eastern town, which is located in the Luhansk region, has long been regarded as a key target for Ukrainian forces. It is situated along key Russian supply routes, so any eventual recapture of the town would have important strategic implications for Ukraine.

Elsewhere in the east: Maliar said “heavy fighting” continues along the entire eastern front line, with Russia attacking in several directions. The cities of Avdiivka, Marinka and Lyman are among them, Maliar said, echoing a report from the Ukrainian military Saturday.

While Ukrainian fighters are moving forward along the southern flank in the Bakhmut area, having “partial success,” Maliar said Russia has moved two air assault regiments to the northern flank and the fighting continues.

On the southern front lines: Maliar reported gradual advances of Ukrainian troops in the south, in particular in areas surrounding the cities of Berdiansk and Melitopol in southeastern Ukraine.

Troops are engaged in ongoing, heavy fighting, she said. Ukrainian troops are facing intense enemy resistance in these areas, as Russia mines the routes remotely and redeploys forces, Maliar added.

The Ukrainian military's General Staff said troops engaged in direct combat with Russian forces more than 28 times over the last 24 hours. It also said Russia has launched 11 missile attacks and eight strikes with drones during that period.

CNN cannot independently verify battlefield reports from either side in the conflict.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Lisa Jones on Jul 3^rd, 2023 at 12:29pm

Just an observation.

1. Where is this conflict taking place? In Ukraine. That’s the battleGROUND. Ukraine’s infrastructure is being destroyed. Ukraine’s neighbourhoods are being destroyed. Ukraine’s supply chains and utilities are being destroyed.

2. Who is dying in this conflict? Ukraine civilians and Ukraine soldiers.

Russia is losing soldiers.

Conclusion: Ukraine is losing a lot more than Russia.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on Jul 3^rd, 2023 at 2:00pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2023 at 12:29pm:

dont tell matyfisk

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jul 3^rd, 2023 at 2:25pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2023 at 2:00pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2023 at 12:29pm:

dont tell matyfisk

and "Russia has made some advances on the eastern front "

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jul 3^rd, 2023 at 3:09pm

i tihnk you'd be more likely to see regime change in france than moscow at this point

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jul 3^rd, 2023 at 5:26pm

Ukraine is really bogged down:

" We stopped because we couldn't advance. Advancing meant losing people and we had no artillery " - Zelensky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQU0ip6aE2A

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Lisa Jones on Jul 3^rd, 2023 at 5:58pm

JC Denton wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2023 at 3:09pm:

i tihnk you'd be more likely to see regime change in france than moscow at this point

Fingers crossed it happens sooner than later for France.

(Re Russia I honestly think Putin will be taken out internally when he least expects it).

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Jul 3^rd, 2023 at 6:21pm

Russia needs to do something about all these dangerous window frames everywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T96f8j4VK_o

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Jul 3^rd, 2023 at 7:49pm

putin is more likely to take out the people who would ever threaten to take him out when they least expect it

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Mattyfisk on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 12:26am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2023 at 2:00pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2023 at 12:29pm:

dont tell matyfisk

Yes, don't mention the war. You might have mentioned it once, but you think you got away with it.

You know, amongst all your talk of peace - and Western aggression.

So unfair, no?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Aug 7^th, 2023 at 5:55am

Here he is again with a very depressing view for Ukraine, Europe and the USA:

If NATO Goes Toe-To-Toe With The Russians - NATO Will Lose

50,809 views Aug 7, 2023

Colonel Douglas Macgregor Straight Calls -
Analysis of breaking news and in-depth discussion of current geopolitical events
in the United States of America and the world.

Interview with Jeremy Slate on August 3, 2023.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg1qF41g2eU

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:14am

Seems like Colonel Douglas Macgregor is right.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/08/politics/ukraine-counteroffensive-us-briefings/index.html

Sofiia Gatilova/Reuters

Ukraine has incurred staggering losses,
leading commanders to hold back some units to regroup and reduce casualties

Western allies receive increasingly ‘sobering’ updates on Ukraine’s counteroffensive: ‘This is the most difficult time of the war’

By Jim Sciutto, Chief National Security Correspondent
Updated 8:19 AM EDT, Tue August 8, 2023

CNN —

Weeks into Ukraine’s highly anticipated counteroffensive, Western officials describe increasingly “sobering” assessments about Ukrainian forces’ ability to retake significant territory, four senior US and western officials briefed on the latest intelligence told CNN.

“They’re still going to see, for the next couple of weeks, if there is a chance of making some progress. But for them to really make progress that would change the balance of this conflict, I think, it’s extremely, highly unlikely,” a senior western diplomat told CNN.

“Our briefings are sobering. We’re reminded of the challenges they face,” said Rep. Mike Quigley, an Illinois Democrat who recently returned from meetings in Europe with US commanders training Ukrainian armored forces. “This is the most difficult time of the war.”

The primary challenge for Ukrainian forces is the continued difficulty of breaking through Russia’s multi-layered defensive lines in the eastern and southern parts of the country, which are marked by tens of thousands of mines and vast networks of trenches. Ukrainian forces have incurred staggering losses there, leading Ukrainian commanders to hold back some units to regroup and reduce casualties.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:02pm

none of that will happen bobby

there is not going to be any direct confrontation between NATO and the russian federation because absolutely nobody would win such an engagement and everybody would lose

would be absolutely disastrous for the world and fortunately the people who run our countries aren't stupid enough (yet) to not be aware of this fact

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:20pm

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:02pm:

Then the alternative is let the Russians invade all of Ukraine and win the war.
On some other CNN video I heard estimates of Ukraine losing 20,000 soldiers per month
They just can't sustain that.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by aquascoot on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:34pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:02pm:

Then the alternative is let the Russians invade all of Ukraine and win the war.
On some other CNN video I heard estimates of Ukraine losing 20,000 soldiers per month
They just can't sustain that.

zelensky will fight to the last ukranian and then high tail it to hollywood to party with sean penn and the woke'ies

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:45pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:02pm:

Then the alternative is let the Russians invade all of Ukraine and win the war.
On some other CNN video I heard estimates of Ukraine losing 20,000 soldiers per month
They just can't sustain that.

zelensky will fight to the last ukranian and then high tail it to hollywood to party with sean penn and the woke'ies

Zelensky should have surrendered on the first day as NATO
didn't want to supply their troops to help.
How was ever going to win against Russia?

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 5:12pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:45pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 1:02pm:

Then the alternative is let the Russians invade all of Ukraine and win the war.
On some other CNN video I heard estimates of Ukraine losing 20,000 soldiers per month
They just can't sustain that.

zelensky will fight to the last ukranian and then high tail it to hollywood to party with sean penn and the woke'ies

Zelensky should have surrendered on the first day as NATO
didn't want to supply their troops to help.
How was ever going to win against Russia?

rumours have it that's what he wanted to do but in a sense i can't blame him bc it'd be very likely he would end up with a bullet in his head if he dropped even some of the ukrainian government's irredentist demands

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by chimera on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 5:40pm

And fascist Germans have seized Russian Berlin.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 5:57pm

coo koo coo koo

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by chimera on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:02pm

Irredentist demands...

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:16pm

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 5:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:45pm:

Zelensky should have surrendered on the first day as NATO
didn't want to supply their troops to help.
How was ever going to win against Russia?

At least he would have had a good point -

NATO wants to sacrifice Ukrainians but not themselves. :(

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:21pm

most ukrainians have been more than happy to fight up until now, they've delighted thus far in the opportunitiy to ice the moskali

it's why the "to the last ukrainian" rhetoric doesn't really land with me, they have really wanted to do this and ofc they know there's no likelihood of any other country getting involved

as the more enthusiastic and nationalistic elements of ukraine's male population are killed or incapacited ukraine will be forced to scrape the barrel with conscripts much less eager about being press-ganged into service on the frontline

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:27pm

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

Plenty of young Ukrainian men tried to escape in March 2022
but they were stopped at the border and press ganged into fighting -
many are probably dead now. :(

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by chimera on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:31pm

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 5:12pm:

bullet in his head if he dropped even some of the ukrainian government's irredentist demands

'I want ammunition not a ride'.

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by JC Denton on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 8:12pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:27pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

Plenty of young Ukrainian men tried to escape in March 2022
but they were stopped at the border and press ganged into fighting -
many are probably dead now. :(

yes a lot of them just don't care and i can't blame them. i wouldnt want to fight on either side

Title: Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 8:34pm

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 8:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:27pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

Plenty of young Ukrainian men tried to escape in March 2022
but they were stopped at the border and press ganged into fighting -
many are probably dead now. :(

yes a lot of them just don't care and i can't blame them. i wouldnt want to fight on either side

Yes - who would want to join the 10s of millions of dead who fought so many crazy wars in Europe?
Even poor Aussies and Kiwis got involved in their wars and too many died.
It seems that there will always be wars in Europe.