Wouldn't want to be in Taiwan - the last remaining anti-Communist Chinese-Nationalist (which Biden supports, but calls Trump evil for creating Nationalism in America) country.

Is this it? Seems almost a formality now. China pumping its War Machine at Taiwan with 'Invasion Drills' in full swing.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/china-sends-planes-and-warships-towards-taiwan/vi-AA19DX84?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5840eccba89e414bb43736c5c86be26f&ei=41

It's the CCP responding to Tsai Ing-wen meeting Kevin McCarthy.

They're just biting at the heels.

Could be. But a very expensive and important response none the less. China is basically expressing 'it will invade' regardless.

As for USA promising 'weapons'. Lotta good that will do, as Taiwan will be over-run and conquered very quickly. USA won't be able to supply them with anything without coming in direct conflict with China 'in Taiwan'.

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:00pm:

Could be. But a very expensive and important response none the less. China is basically expressing 'it will invade' regardless. As for USA promising 'weapons'. Lotta good that will do, as Taiwan will be over-run and conquered very quickly. USA won't be able to supply them with anything without coming in direct conflict with China 'in Taiwan'.

I see you are an alumni of the Vladimir Putin military college.   ::)

Belgarion wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:05pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:00pm: Could be. But a very expensive and important response none the less. China is basically expressing 'it will invade' regardless. As for USA promising 'weapons'. Lotta good that will do, as Taiwan will be over-run and conquered very quickly. USA won't be able to supply them with anything without coming in direct conflict with China 'in Taiwan'. I see you are an alumni of the Vladimir Putin military college.   ::)

Not in the least.
Ukraine is a very different situation than Taiwan.
Unlike China, Russia has been rusting away since its former USSR glory days. China has been on the up.

Unlike Ukraine. Taiwan will be done and dusted by the CCP very quickly. USA will be left looking for excuses.

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:00pm:

Could be. But a very expensive and important response none the less. China is basically expressing 'it will invade' regardless. As for USA promising 'weapons'. Lotta good that will do, as Taiwan will be over-run and conquered very quickly. USA won't be able to supply them with anything without coming in direct conflict with China 'in Taiwan'.

An invasion of Taiwan will require a competent and experienced navy. The CCP doesn't have one of them.

It's not just the US Navy that the CCP needs to worry about (which could pile up the PLAN in the Taiwan Strait enough to create a new island), it's also the Japanese Navy.

I don't think you or anyone know the full extent of capability of the Chinese War Machine to make that comment.

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:40pm:

I don't think you or anyone know the full extent of capability of the Chinese War Machine to make that comment.

How many wars have the PLA/PLAN fought?

How many battle-experienced troops does the CCP have at its disposal?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:54pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:40pm: I don't think you or anyone know the full extent of capability of the Chinese War Machine to make that comment. How many wars have the PLA/PLAN fought? How many battle-experienced troops does the CCP have at its disposal?

Has it ever mattered in the past?

China will conquer Taiwan.
Let's just get the whole thing over and done with, so the world can move on from the past.

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 10:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:54pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:40pm: I don't think you or anyone know the full extent of capability of the Chinese War Machine to make that comment. How many wars have the PLA/PLAN fought? How many battle-experienced troops does the CCP have at its disposal? Has it ever mattered in the past? China will conquer Taiwan. Let's just get the whole thing over and done with, so the world can move on from the past.

The Japanese will declare war on China and the US will back its ally that it's sworn to defend.

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 10:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:54pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:40pm: I don't think you or anyone know the full extent of capability of the Chinese War Machine to make that comment. How many wars have the PLA/PLAN fought? How many battle-experienced troops does the CCP have at its disposal? Has it ever mattered in the past? China will conquer Taiwan. Let's just get the whole thing over and done with, so the world can move on from the past.

After Taiwan - who's next on the hit list ?

The Philippines ?

Indonesia ?

Australia ?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 10:03pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 10:02pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:54pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:40pm: I don't think you or anyone know the full extent of capability of the Chinese War Machine to make that comment. How many wars have the PLA/PLAN fought? How many battle-experienced troops does the CCP have at its disposal? Has it ever mattered in the past? China will conquer Taiwan. Let's just get the whole thing over and done with, so the world can move on from the past. The Japanese will declare war on China and the US will back its ally that it's sworn to defend.

Oh, so that's it? It all comes to involving others to keep China from making a successful 'easy' take of Taiwan?

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 10:03pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 10:02pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:54pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:40pm: I don't think you or anyone know the full extent of capability of the Chinese War Machine to make that comment. How many wars have the PLA/PLAN fought? How many battle-experienced troops does the CCP have at its disposal? Has it ever mattered in the past? China will conquer Taiwan. Let's just get the whole thing over and done with, so the world can move on from the past. The Japanese will declare war on China and the US will back its ally that it's sworn to defend. Oh, so that's it? It all comes to involving others to keep China from making a successful 'easy' take of Taiwan?

Correct.

Made easier as Japan considers an attack on Taiwan as an existential threat to Japan.

It won't worry us, we've got a One-China policy. We can sit back and watch the sparks fly on TV

Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:23pm:

It won't worry us, we've got a One-China policy. We can sit back and watch the sparks fly on TV

Australia will follow the lead of our allies: the US and Japan.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:27pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:23pm: It won't worry us, we've got a One-China policy. We can sit back and watch the sparks fly on TV Australia will follow the lead of our allies: the US and Japan.

Not in armed conflict against China we won't be. The West always loses, so it will be worked out around a negotiating table, with China getting on top in the talks, and Biden will say: "We settled on a peaceful solution" ... China will change the politics in Taiwan, but let the people remain reasonably free. Much like Hong Kong

Biden's rhetoric so far about Taiwan has been a stupid "Vietnam" type rhetoric ... We'll get those commie bastards!

Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:27pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:23pm: It won't worry us, we've got a One-China policy. We can sit back and watch the sparks fly on TV Australia will follow the lead of our allies: the US and Japan. Not in armed conflict against China we won't be. The West always loses, so it will be worked out around a negotiating table, with China getting on top in the talks, and Biden will say: "We settled on a peaceful solution" ... China will change the politics in Taiwan, but let the people remain reasonably free. Much like Hong Kong Biden's rhetoric so far about Taiwan has been a stupid "Vietnam" type rhetoric ... We'll get those commie bastards!

China will not be allowed to succeed in any invasion of Taiwan as the world would be ceding control of the free shipping lanes and influence over the first island chain which consists of Taiwan, Indonesia, parts of the Philippines, and Japan.

All the currently free shipping lanes for trade to and from southeast Asia, Australia. the South Pacific and India would then rely on the goodwill of the CCP and be subject to whatever tariffs or demands they might impose.

Also, control of the first island chain gives the CCP the necessary proximity to the US to launch an assault on its territories.

It is in Australia's interest to be part of a force to prevent the CCP's invasion of Taiwan.

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:15pm:

Belgarion wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:05pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:00pm: Could be. But a very expensive and important response none the less. China is basically expressing 'it will invade' regardless. As for USA promising 'weapons'. Lotta good that will do, as Taiwan will be over-run and conquered very quickly. USA won't be able to supply them with anything without coming in direct conflict with China 'in Taiwan'. I see you are an alumni of the Vladimir Putin military college.   ::) Not in the least. Ukraine is a very different situation than Taiwan. Unlike China, Russia has been rusting away since its former USSR glory days. China has been on the up. Unlike Ukraine. Taiwan will be done and dusted by the CCP very quickly. USA will be left looking for excuses.

You have no idea how difficult a seaborne invasion is. The PRC will have to transport its forces across about 100 NM of sea.  The logistics involved are extremely complicated and depend on everything going exactly right. I doubt  the PRC can achieve the air and sea control that will be essential to success.

Belgarion wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:18am:

Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:15pm: Belgarion wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:05pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:00pm: Could be. But a very expensive and important response none the less. China is basically expressing 'it will invade' regardless. As for USA promising 'weapons'. Lotta good that will do, as Taiwan will be over-run and conquered very quickly. USA won't be able to supply them with anything without coming in direct conflict with China 'in Taiwan'. I see you are an alumni of the Vladimir Putin military college.   ::) Not in the least. Ukraine is a very different situation than Taiwan. Unlike China, Russia has been rusting away since its former USSR glory days. China has been on the up. Unlike Ukraine. Taiwan will be done and dusted by the CCP very quickly. USA will be left looking for excuses. You have no idea how difficult a seaborne invasion is. The PRC will have to transport its forces across about 100 NM of sea.  The logistics involved are extremely complicated and depend on everything going exactly right. I doubt  the PRC can achieve the air and sea control that will be essential to success.

Yes, given the CCP's armed services have had no real-time experience in battle, other than using sticks and clubs along the line of actual control between India and China - real caveman stuff.

Its naval 'fleet' is a facade and plagued with the consequences of a Chinese scourge - cha bu duo - a near-enough-good-enough attitude to production, or, as one Chinese musician put it, "cha bu duo - a deer is now a horse".

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:27pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:23pm: It won't worry us, we've got a One-China policy. We can sit back and watch the sparks fly on TV Australia will follow the lead of our allies: the US and Japan.

No! YOU will follow the lead of our exploiters: the US & Japan.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:29am:

Belgarion wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:18am: Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:15pm: Belgarion wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:05pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:00pm: Could be. But a very expensive and important response none the less. China is basically expressing 'it will invade' regardless. As for USA promising 'weapons'. Lotta good that will do, as Taiwan will be over-run and conquered very quickly. USA won't be able to supply them with anything without coming in direct conflict with China 'in Taiwan'. I see you are an alumni of the Vladimir Putin military college.   ::) Not in the least. Ukraine is a very different situation than Taiwan. Unlike China, Russia has been rusting away since its former USSR glory days. China has been on the up. Unlike Ukraine. Taiwan will be done and dusted by the CCP very quickly. USA will be left looking for excuses. You have no idea how difficult a seaborne invasion is. The PRC will have to transport its forces across about 100 NM of sea.  The logistics involved are extremely complicated and depend on everything going exactly right. I doubt  the PRC can achieve the air and sea control that will be essential to success. Yes, given the CCP's armed services have had no real-time experience in battle, other than using sticks and clubs along the line of actual control between India and China - real caveman stuff. Its naval 'fleet' is a facade and plagued with the consequences of a Chinese scourge - cha bu duo - a near-enough-good-enough attitude to production, or, as one Chinese musician put it, "cha bu duo - a deer is now a horse".

Gee. You two sound like Military experts at the start of the Vietnam War... the first 3 months is where the USA lost the War. ;D

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:13am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:29am: Belgarion wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:18am: Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:15pm: Belgarion wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:05pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:00pm: Could be. But a very expensive and important response none the less. China is basically expressing 'it will invade' regardless. As for USA promising 'weapons'. Lotta good that will do, as Taiwan will be over-run and conquered very quickly. USA won't be able to supply them with anything without coming in direct conflict with China 'in Taiwan'. I see you are an alumni of the Vladimir Putin military college.   ::) Not in the least. Ukraine is a very different situation than Taiwan. Unlike China, Russia has been rusting away since its former USSR glory days. China has been on the up. Unlike Ukraine. Taiwan will be done and dusted by the CCP very quickly. USA will be left looking for excuses. You have no idea how difficult a seaborne invasion is. The PRC will have to transport its forces across about 100 NM of sea.  The logistics involved are extremely complicated and depend on everything going exactly right. I doubt  the PRC can achieve the air and sea control that will be essential to success. Yes, given the CCP's armed services have had no real-time experience in battle, other than using sticks and clubs along the line of actual control between India and China - real caveman stuff. Its naval 'fleet' is a facade and plagued with the consequences of a Chinese scourge - cha bu duo - a near-enough-good-enough attitude to production, or, as one Chinese musician put it, "cha bu duo - a deer is now a horse". Gee. You two sound like Military experts at the start of the Vietnam War... the first 3 months is where the USA lost the War. ;D

Aren't you making predictions about the outcome of a predicted war?

You're comparing one war with a war that hasn't started and coming to a conclusion about the latter's likely outcome.

Why are you using the Vietnam War?

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:27pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:23pm: It won't worry us, we've got a One-China policy. We can sit back and watch the sparks fly on TV Australia will follow the lead of our allies: the US and Japan. No! YOU will follow the lead of our exploiters: the US & Japan.

No. The Australian government will support Australia's allies: the US and Japan regardless of which party is in power.

Hong Kong was Britain's sacrificial offering back to China after turning it into a Drug Den.

Taiwan is 'Media' America's sacrificial offering for supporting the Anti-Communist remains of the Nationalists from the 'mainland'.

Taiwan IS and always WAS 'China' regardless of political power.
That's the very first reason and first loss to the USA.
Secondly, Japan will not just jump in against China just because the 'Media' Fake-Politic America says "Jump!".

Notice 'Hospitals' are being set up on China mainland.
Wonder what's going down there? :-?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:10am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:27pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:23pm: It won't worry us, we've got a One-China policy. We can sit back and watch the sparks fly on TV Australia will follow the lead of our allies: the US and Japan. No! YOU will follow the lead of our exploiters: the US & Japan. No. The Australian government will support Australia's allies: the US and Japan regardless of which party is in power.

NO. 'You' and 'Media' Fake Politic ALP will support Japan and 'Media' Fake Politic Democrats.

I will be waiting for Nihon and the Republicans to clean up the former's mess.
I will also be saying NO to enslavement to fight other people's dirty, filthy, corrupt wars in other people's countries.

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:28am:

Hong Kong was Britain's sacrificial offering back to China after turning it into a Drug Den. Taiwan is 'Media' America's sacrificial offering for supporting the Anti-Communist remains of the Nationalists from the 'mainland'. Taiwan IS and always WAS 'China' regardless of political power. That's the very first reason and first loss to the USA. Secondly, Japan will not just jump in against China just because the 'Media' Fake-Politic America says "Jump!". Notice 'Hospitals' are being set up on China mainland. Wonder what's going down there? :-?

Taiwanese natives are not Han Chinese. The China we know today is a Han ethno-chauvinistic state, with no historical precedent.

The Taiwanese, by a very large majority, identify nationalistically as Taiwanese not Chinese.

Japan has already declared its policy of martial commitment to the defence of Taiwan citing Taiwan's attack by the CCP as a direct existential threat to Japan and Japan's security.

The CCP, through its central and provincial governments, is always initiating building projects as a way to generate easy money for CCP officials, nearly all of which end in abandonment and collapse both economically and structurally.

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:30am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:26am: Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:10am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:27pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:23pm: It won't worry us, we've got a One-China policy. We can sit back and watch the sparks fly on TV Australia will follow the lead of our allies: the US and Japan. No! YOU will follow the lead of our exploiters: the US & Japan. No. The Australian government will support Australia's allies: the US and Japan regardless of which party is in power. NO. 'You' and 'Media' Fake Politic ALP will support Japan and 'Media' Fake Politic Democrats. I will be waiting for Nihon and the Republicans to clean up the former's mess. I will also be saying NO to enslavement to fight other people's dirty, filthy, corrupt wars in other people's countries.

You seem to think the state has no role in directing Australia's foreign affairs. Why is that?

"We are here (in Korea) to kick out the Yellow Mongols from Asia"

...these were the immortal words of General Macarthur during the Korean War.

A War that had 'North Americans' fighting in Asia (again) as the most invasive nation on the planet.

The USSR & USA default COLD WAR of threatening the entire World with nuclear destruction if 'White Man' didn't get half of it.
That's right - the USSR moving eastward into Asia for 'Europe' to kick all those Yellow People out (and into Oceania with their Polynesian brethren?) - let alone kicking the Brown People out of the Middle-East (and into Sahul with the Aborigines?).

So the YIN/YANG of turning the entire Northern (Superior) Hemisphere 'all White' with America's help... kinda, well - just failed didn't it? ;)

We all know Master Plans exist. It's what has driven every great conflict.

With the failure and capitulation of the USSR and that Master Plan (maybe Joe wants to 'build back', the past - dementia style?) of Yin/Yang. It looks like China at the most is now getting its 'REVENGE' after being invaded, bullied, drugged out, etc, etc.

What we now see is the USA also trying to save face in retreat. It wants the evil Nationalists, a former dictatorship of Taiwan, to stay beyond China's reach for its own Economic reasons 'only'. Wouldn't give a rats how its people live.

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:57am:

"We are here (in Korea) to kick out the Yellow Mongols from Asia" ...these were the immortal words of General Macarthur during the Korean War.

No, he didn't.

*sips a coffee. Get's up and decides to go outside.

Here is the BBC article on the planned bombardment of Taiwan on the orders of the Chinese Communist Party. All militaries practice maneuvres, but this indecent. Their plans a well advanced to kill everyone who does not submit to  Communism. Even as a "Chinese" claim of ownership of Taiwan, there is no validity to such a claim. And anyway, that's no reason to kill people.
Meanwhile, here in Australia, Leftist still sympathise with the Communists.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-65223970

Aha - Numbah One!  This time Vietnam America on same side... Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, all trading nation of world wan' access to Souf China Sea...

China has three Airborne divisions, only one of which was combat ready and they wouldn't be the first little bow-legged Corporal to come a cropper crossing a body of water filled with hostile forces and open to weapons from afar.

I predict a 24 hour shooting war with massive shipping losses and aircraft losses to CCP... no victory.

Ha, ha - perhaps now we will see how well the 20% women in the RAN do - the ones they fill the pharken ads with all the time, and that 100th anniversary thing.... not one woman ever lost in combat in the RAN and they did not interview one single man sailor... just the sheilas.  It WAS the ABC, though - at the time they started to lose me as a viewer....

I don't do propaganda...

https://media.tenor.com/uw_HNT7K8bIAAAAC/bullshit-detector-off-the-scale.gif

I'm not sympathising with the Commies.
I'm saying that the USA is using Taiwan, as it is Ukraine, to its own selfish agenda.
The USA is not the United Nations. It's a privatised Political entity. It only has its own self interests at hand.

Here is a 2016 clip. Untainted and uncorrupted by recent USA narrative, so it's basically true. I suggest you all watch this as it basically proves that Taiwan is 'China' regardless of Political rule - from antiquity.
You will also see how the USA has meddled in Taiwan/China affairs with the Democrats taking power in Taiwan and thus pushed for 'Independence' from all things 'China'. The USA is using Taiwan to undermine China in any way.
Like I said. The Democrats accused Trump of raising 'Nationalism' in the USA, yet support the Nationalists of Taiwan.
Australia should not be involving itself with the USA's 'dirty pool' tactics - especially when Asia is not a part of North America and the USA is NOT the United Nations.
Britain left Hong Kong (even if the drug addicts cried out)
USA should stay the f*uck out of Asia and away from Taiwan.
Watch and learn!
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=is+taiwan+part+of+china&&view=detail&mid=8FA8535EC5AAEDB53BCC8FA8535EC5AAEDB53BCC&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dis%2Btaiwan%2Bpart%2Bof%2Bchina%26FORM%3DHDRSC4

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:57am:

"We are here (in Korea) to kick out the Yellow Mongols from Asia" ...these were the immortal words of General Macarthur during the Korean War. A War that had 'North Americans' fighting in Asia (again) as the most invasive nation on the planet. The USSR & USA default COLD WAR of threatening the entire World with nuclear destruction if 'White Man' didn't get half of it. That's right - the USSR moving eastward into Asia for 'Europe' to kick all those Yellow People out (and into Oceania with their Polynesian brethren?) - let alone kicking the Brown People out of the Middle-East (and into Sahul with the Aborigines?). So the YIN/YANG of turning the entire Northern (Superior) Hemisphere 'all White' with America's help... kinda, well - just failed didn't it? ;) We all know Master Plans exist. It's what has driven every great conflict. With the failure and capitulation of the USSR and that Master Plan (maybe Joe wants to 'build back', the past - dementia style?) of Yin/Yang. It looks like China at the most is now getting its 'REVENGE' after being invaded, bullied, drugged out, etc, etc. What we now see is the USA also trying to save face in retreat. It wants the evil Nationalists, a former dictatorship of Taiwan, to stay beyond China's reach for its own Economic reasons 'only'. Wouldn't give a rats how its people live.

Sow the trail with radioactive waste, was the catchcry in Vietnam.... don't bomb 'em - just give 'em the silent death treatment......  if it's a choice between theirs and yours... well - you know..... I'd rather they be writing letters home to mothers ......

And it's all backfired now Grapps. The 'Master Plan' failed.
The Brown Man gets to stay in the Middle-East and the Yellow Man gets to keep Asia and all that once was, is now falling away and I'm not just talking about Britain handing back Hong Kong.
But the Democrats are still holding onto their power of the past with Dopey Joe wanting to 'Build Back'(wards) into the glory days of old (Dementia ::)) as Putin tries to relive the old USSR powerhouse.

The world, as usual - is being manipulated into the Democrats (USA) evil International Crimes.

The USA is a lone wolf and Britain, Australia and the Commonwealth should beware of this 'scarred' USA under the Democrats.

issuevoter wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 4:31pm:

Here is the BBC article on the planned bombardment of Taiwan on the orders of the Chinese Communist Party. All militaries practice maneuvres, but this indecent. Their plans a well advanced to kill everyone who does not submit to  Communism. Even as a "Chinese" claim of ownership of Taiwan, there is no validity to such a claim. And anyway, that's no reason to kill people. Meanwhile, here in Australia, Leftist still sympathise with the Communists. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-65223970

More of the CCP's quixotic show of farce for local consumption.

Like the CCP's Taiwan Strait great fish kill last year.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 10:08pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 10:02pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:54pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:40pm: I don't think you or anyone know the full extent of capability of the Chinese War Machine to make that comment. How many wars have the PLA/PLAN fought? How many battle-experienced troops does the CCP have at its disposal? Has it ever mattered in the past? China will conquer Taiwan. Let's just get the whole thing over and done with, so the world can move on from the past. After Taiwan - who's next on the hit list ? The Philippines ? Indonesia ? Australia ?

With news that India has just taken over China's population numbers, and China appearing to go backwards in population, I doubt that China will have the numbers to really overextend themselves. The people under the age of 60 will have to work hard to feed their ageing population. But, perhaps that was the reason why the Chinese released the covid virus onto their elderly.

You have a point on the population thing Sub.
But India will be hamstrung by China's allies in Pakistan and Bangladesh either side of them, as well as China.

I predict that India's population will implode from the 'mass production' towards a more refined population growth towards 'quality' over quantity.

...nukes will decimate India's population for starters.

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 12:06pm:

*sips a coffee. Get's up and decides to go outside.

You probably won't be able to afford the coffee or be brave enough to go outside, if war starts against Taiwan.

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:18pm:

You have a point on the population thing Sub. But India will be hamstrung by China's allies in Pakistan and Bangladesh either side of them, as well as China. I predict that India's population will implode from the 'mass production' towards a more refined population growth towards 'quality' over quantity. ...nukes will decimate India's population for starters.

I did not mean that India and China will go to war against each other, even though I have heard the Chinese talk about that possibility. I was saying that India has overtaken first place in the world in terms of population numbers. China has a population dwindling because few younger people are having children. China will have an oversupply of elderly just eating up resources. Unless the Chinese want the elderly to keep working until the elderly die, it is going to be difficult for China to really mount an expansionist policy into other countries, other than economically.

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:18pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 12:06pm: *sips a coffee. Get's up and decides to go outside. You probably won't be able to afford the coffee or be brave enough to go outside, if war starts against Taiwan.

Ha!  ;D
We're I'm sitting Sub. I will be just fine.  ;)

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:22pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:18pm: You have a point on the population thing Sub. But India will be hamstrung by China's allies in Pakistan and Bangladesh either side of them, as well as China. I predict that India's population will implode from the 'mass production' towards a more refined population growth towards 'quality' over quantity. ...nukes will decimate India's population for starters. I did not mean that India and China will go to war against each other, even though I have heard the Chinese talk about that possibility. I was saying that India has overtaken first place in the world in terms of population numbers. China has a population dwindling because few younger people are having children. China will have an oversupply of elderly just eating up resources. Unless the Chinese want the elderly to keep working until the elderly die, it is going to be difficult for China to really mount an expansionist policy into other countries, other than economically.

Look at it this way. Every race wants 'equality'.
Asia is for the 'Yellow Man' mass production.
Not the White (Russian) mass production.
Not the Black (Indian) mass production.
...the latter two have other parts of the world representing their racial 'mass production'.

India's 'Population' Quantity over Quality days are ...numbered.

The Chinese re: the visit of the Taiwanese president.

https://media.tenor.com/n1uDoEq3RJgAAAAM/lets-get-it-passive.gif

China has been cocky in trying to push their authority over other nations. The Chinese got lippy about Morrison's call for an enquiry about the origins of the covid virus. The standards that the Chinese hold for their own people is getting tested out on parts of the world, including Australia.

If democracy takes hold in China, you can imagine the break up of China into smaller countries. Taiwan won't be part of China for very long, if the unwanted invasion of Taiwan takes place by China soon.

China has stated in the past a 'peaceful' unification with the Nationalists - including the incorporation of the Nationalist symbol into the Chinese Flag.
China does not want to 'invade' via violence.
It just wants the USA out of Taiwan and to stop meddling in Asian affairs.
Fair point - the USA is not the United Nations.

So in essence - the Communists were more than happy years ago for Taiwan to remain 'Nationalist'.
...then the USA got involved and now, everything is hostile.
Taiwanese may loose their lives. All for what? USA pumping its democracy capitalism and keeping a toe-hold on something that is not theirs.

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

China has stated in the past a 'peaceful' unification with the Nationalists - including the incorporation of the Nationalist symbol into the Chinese Flag. China does not want to 'invade' via violence. It just wants the USA out of Taiwan and to stop meddling in Asian affairs. Fair point - the USA is not the United Nations. So in essence - the Communists were more than happy years ago for Taiwan to remain 'Nationalist'. ...then the USA got involved and now, everything is hostile. Taiwanese may loose their lives. All for what? USA pumping its democracy capitalism and keeping a toe-hold on something that is not theirs.

Ha ha! 'More than happy', eh!

The CCP wants control of the shipping lanes and a strategic foothold in the first island chain.

It is well worth the first island chain nations, the US and Australia to do anything to the CCP that brings it down.

You're wasting your time blowing smoke up Han arse. As a non-Han person, you are a sub-human. The mainland Han are blindingly ethno-chauvinistic.

I would be very sure that the USA will not intervene in any invasion of Taiwan by China. The United States does not have a history of fighting wars against an enemy that can fight back.

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

I would be very sure that the USA will not intervene in any invasion of Taiwan by China. The United States does not have a history of fighting wars against an enemy that can fight back.

Not only would the US do it, the US would finish it within a month.

But the US involvement in any war between China and Taiwan will come after hostilities begin with Japan and the CCP. The US will supply Japan and Taiwan with its full air support (and significant naval support) and use its unchallenged control of night warfare.

What will be left to the CCP will be whether the US allows the CCP to survive after the complete destruction of the PLA to govern the shithole that is mainland China. No foreign power wants to administer China.

Don't stress, china isn't going to invade Taiwan   They have to much to lose for little gain.

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:06pm:

They have to much to lose for little gain.

That's for sure! Xi also has his life to lose. A CCP defeat would trigger his overthrow, arrest and execution.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:02pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:53pm: I would be very sure that the USA will not intervene in any invasion of Taiwan by China. The United States does not have a history of fighting wars against an enemy that can fight back. Not only would the US do it, the US would finish it within a month. But the US involvement in any war between China and Taiwan will come after hostilities begin with Japan and the CCP. The US will supply Japan and Taiwan with its full air support (and significant naval support) and use its unchallenged control of night warfare. What will be left to the CCP will be whether the US allows the CCP to survive after the complete destruction of the PLA to govern the shithole that is mainland China. No foreign power wants to administer China.

China's military might well be for defensive purposes, rather than offense. But, if the USA goes to Taiwan's defense, I cannot say that it will be a walk over for China. We know that China's economy would be in a precarious position in war. So, I doubt that China can win against many allied nations of the USA. But, I cannot say that China would be a pushover.

The strategy for the USA would be to defend Taiwan. Trying to destroy mainland China, even in small sections, would be like Hitler invading Russia. You don't want to go too deep and get cut off from an escape route.

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:30pm:

The strategy for the USA would be to defend Taiwan. Trying to destroy mainland China, even in small sections, would be like Hitler invading Russia. You don't want to go too deep and get cut off from an escape route.

No foreign power wants to administer mainland China - it's set to collapse on its own anyway and become another post-soviet Russia. containment, in order to facilitate the collapse of the CCP, will be the strategy.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:30pm: The strategy for the USA would be to defend Taiwan. Trying to destroy mainland China, even in small sections, would be like Hitler invading Russia. You don't want to go too deep and get cut off from an escape route. No foreign power wants to administer mainland China - it's set to collapse on its own anyway and become another post-soviet Russia. containment, in order to facilitate the collapse of the CCP, will be the strategy.

So, you agree with me?

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:47pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:35pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:30pm: The strategy for the USA would be to defend Taiwan. Trying to destroy mainland China, even in small sections, would be like Hitler invading Russia. You don't want to go too deep and get cut off from an escape route. No foreign power wants to administer mainland China - it's set to collapse on its own anyway and become another post-soviet Russia. containment, in order to facilitate the collapse of the CCP, will be the strategy. So, you agree with me?

Yes, although even the CCP can't be confident that the PLA would even be up to defending mainland China. Its defence is the fact that no foreign power wants to administer a post-collapsed CCP brought down by a foreign force.

If it collapses from within, however, that would be a different story as internal ethnic forces would rip China apart - not least Xinjiang where every Islamist would head for to avenge the persecution of the Uighurs.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:53pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:47pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:35pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:30pm: The strategy for the USA would be to defend Taiwan. Trying to destroy mainland China, even in small sections, would be like Hitler invading Russia. You don't want to go too deep and get cut off from an escape route. No foreign power wants to administer mainland China - it's set to collapse on its own anyway and become another post-soviet Russia. containment, in order to facilitate the collapse of the CCP, will be the strategy. So, you agree with me? Yes, although even the CCP can't be confident that the PLA would even be up to defending mainland China. Its defence is the fact that no foreign power wants to administer a post-collapsed CCP brought down by a foreign force. If it collapses from within, however, that would be a different story as internal ethnic forces would rip China apart - not least Xinjiang where every Islamist would head for to avenge the persecution of the Uighurs.

I am going to disagree with you there. Every Islamist would want a collapsing China to have the Uighurs rise up and claim their independence, too. But, I doubt you will find many foreign fighters rock up and help this happen. Perhaps down the track, the Chinese would be so disinterested in the Xinjiang region that the place will be self-administrating.

I see that Xinjiang is self-governing, now. But the Chinese seem to want to change that. This will change under a collapsing China.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:06pm: They have to much to lose for little gain. That's for sure! Xi also has his life to lose. A CCP defeat would trigger his overthrow, arrest and execution.

Well, sorry to burst your bubbles here.
As I've said for years. China is headed towards it's Super-Nova and to do so, it must swell in size.
Go to 2mins if you like.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/xi-jinping-is-preparing-for-war/ar-AA19FNOI?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ad01647ba6094667a93cdadf0f542eac&ei=14

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:53pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:47pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:35pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:30pm: The strategy for the USA would be to defend Taiwan. Trying to destroy mainland China, even in small sections, would be like Hitler invading Russia. You don't want to go too deep and get cut off from an escape route. No foreign power wants to administer mainland China - it's set to collapse on its own anyway and become another post-soviet Russia. containment, in order to facilitate the collapse of the CCP, will be the strategy. So, you agree with me? Yes, although even the CCP can't be confident that the PLA would even be up to defending mainland China. Its defence is the fact that no foreign power wants to administer a post-collapsed CCP brought down by a foreign force. If it collapses from within, however, that would be a different story as internal ethnic forces would rip China apart - not least Xinjiang where every Islamist would head for to avenge the persecution of the Uighurs. I am going to disagree with you there. Every Islamist would want a collapsing China to have the Uighurs rise up and claim their independence, too. But, I doubt you will find many foreign fighters rock up and help this happen. Perhaps down the track, the Chinese would be so disinterested in the Xinjiang region that the place will be self-administrating.

Do you really think that Pakistani Islamists and the Afghani Taliban and middle eastern Sunni Islamists would have no interest in fighting for and avenging their Islamic brothers in Xinjiang?

Never get into a war on the Asian mainland - instead let the little bastards come out to you where you can get a fair shot at them.

Read a book about the Doolittle Raiders, and a lot of it was in China following the raid... one guy told the story of this small nuggety Chinese guy who literally picked him up and carried him on his back up and down hills like a mountain goat... half his size he reckoned.  Another family invited a flier to sleep in their bed with them on a cold night, and immediately set about making babies while he was there.... shock to an American of that era... they say the Japanese killed up to 100,000 Chinese chasing the Raiders across China.... After the war Doolittle heard of some bloke who'd been a prisoner of the Japanese and was in a hospital raving about how he'd been on this fabulous raid etc, and the docs thought he was nuts and bullshitting.  Doolittle went to the hospital, recognised the guy and tore them new assholes all round.... he being a General at the time.

Once upon a time we all fliend... all good men, good men together ..... now enemy... why?

Bloody politicians.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:09pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:53pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:47pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:35pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:30pm: The strategy for the USA would be to defend Taiwan. Trying to destroy mainland China, even in small sections, would be like Hitler invading Russia. You don't want to go too deep and get cut off from an escape route. No foreign power wants to administer mainland China - it's set to collapse on its own anyway and become another post-soviet Russia. containment, in order to facilitate the collapse of the CCP, will be the strategy. So, you agree with me? Yes, although even the CCP can't be confident that the PLA would even be up to defending mainland China. Its defence is the fact that no foreign power wants to administer a post-collapsed CCP brought down by a foreign force. If it collapses from within, however, that would be a different story as internal ethnic forces would rip China apart - not least Xinjiang where every Islamist would head for to avenge the persecution of the Uighurs. I am going to disagree with you there. Every Islamist would want a collapsing China to have the Uighurs rise up and claim their independence, too. But, I doubt you will find many foreign fighters rock up and help this happen. Perhaps down the track, the Chinese would be so disinterested in the Xinjiang region that the place will be self-administrating. Do you really think that Pakistani Islamists and the Afghani Taliban would have no interest in fighting for and avenging their Islamic brothers in Xinjiang?

;D Pakistan and Taliban are 'self interested' in their empowerments and support from China.

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:24pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:09pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:53pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:47pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:35pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:30pm: The strategy for the USA would be to defend Taiwan. Trying to destroy mainland China, even in small sections, would be like Hitler invading Russia. You don't want to go too deep and get cut off from an escape route. No foreign power wants to administer mainland China - it's set to collapse on its own anyway and become another post-soviet Russia. containment, in order to facilitate the collapse of the CCP, will be the strategy. So, you agree with me? Yes, although even the CCP can't be confident that the PLA would even be up to defending mainland China. Its defence is the fact that no foreign power wants to administer a post-collapsed CCP brought down by a foreign force. If it collapses from within, however, that would be a different story as internal ethnic forces would rip China apart - not least Xinjiang where every Islamist would head for to avenge the persecution of the Uighurs. I am going to disagree with you there. Every Islamist would want a collapsing China to have the Uighurs rise up and claim their independence, too. But, I doubt you will find many foreign fighters rock up and help this happen. Perhaps down the track, the Chinese would be so disinterested in the Xinjiang region that the place will be self-administrating. Do you really think that Pakistani Islamists and the Afghani Taliban would have no interest in fighting for and avenging their Islamic brothers in Xinjiang? ;D Pakistan and Taliban are 'self interested' in their empowerments and support from China.

Religiosity is politics by another name. There would be no funding from a collapsed China.

Religion is the written word.
Politics is the spoken word.

Said the White Man to the Brown Man. ;)

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:31pm:

Religion is the written word. Politics is the spoken word.

So you've never heard a cleric preach a sermon, devotees sing and chant prayers, and never read anything a politician has written, then.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:33pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:31pm: Religion is the written word. Politics is the spoken word. So you've never heard a cleric preach a sermon, devotees sing and chant prayers, and never read anything a politician has written, then.

Well they say that South Australia is the 'Middle-East' part of the country, but it's not really 'the' Middle-East now is it? ;)

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

Do you really think that Pakistani Islamists and the Afghani Taliban and middle eastern Sunni Islamists would have no interest in fighting for and avenging their Islamic brothers in Xinjiang?

I have not kept up with the news coming from Pakistan -- and has anyone -- but the politics over there seem to have the economy be "on the brink of collapse". And, for what little I know about Afghanistan, we do not know if the Taliban have established themselves as complete rulers of Afghanistan. There might still be a presence of opponents willing to take down the Taliban and re-establish some kind of return to modernity (again). Otherwise, there is a real possibility that Pakistan and Taliban might break up into smaller countries.

The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them.

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:43pm:

The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them.

You underestimate religious zeal.

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:26pm:

;D Pakistan and Taliban are 'self interested' in their empowerments and support from China.

Wow. You answered the question directed at me more succinctly than I could.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:28pm:

Religiosity is politics by another name. There would be no funding from a collapsed China.

Perhaps the idea is that without funding from a collapsed China to attack a collapsed China, there really is no incentive to help out a religiously aligned ally in gaining more independence, when that independence is happening anyway.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:46pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:43pm: The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them. You underestimate religious zeal.

Pakistan/Taliban don't give a hoot about the Uighurs.
Like Iraq and Iran didn't against each other. Religion meant nothing

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:46pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:43pm: The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them. You underestimate religious zeal.

Trust me, I have underestimated religious fundamentalists -- 20 years ago. I now no longer give them the benefit of the doubt. One thing that I have learned about their kind is their selfishness. Unless they have something to benefit from joining in the fighting with their fellow Jihadis, they are going to stay home and think about Allah.

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:46pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:43pm: The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them. You underestimate religious zeal. Pakistan/Taliban don't give a hoot about the Uighurs. Like Iraq and Iran didn't against each other. Religion meant nothing

They don't need to give a hoot about Uighurs.

Their zeal comes from their devotion to Islamism.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:56pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:54pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:46pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:43pm: The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them. You underestimate religious zeal. Pakistan/Taliban don't give a hoot about the Uighurs. Like Iraq and Iran didn't against each other. Religion meant nothing They don't need to give a hoot about Uighurs. Their zeal comes from their devotion to Islamism.

That's why Iraq and Iran went to war eh? ;)

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:46pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:43pm: The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them. You underestimate religious zeal. Pakistan/Taliban don't give a hoot about the Uighurs. Like Iraq and Iran didn't against each other. Religion meant nothing

As Genghis Khan said of the Mongols of his day, "All we Mongols wish for our life is to ride, hunt and fight"

Something similar can be said of Islamists.

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:56pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:54pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:46pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:43pm: The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them. You underestimate religious zeal. Pakistan/Taliban don't give a hoot about the Uighurs. Like Iraq and Iran didn't against each other. Religion meant nothing They don't need to give a hoot about Uighurs. Their zeal comes from their devotion to Islamism. That's why Iraq and Iran went to war eh? ;)

You mean Sunni Muslims vs Shi'ite Muslims.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:00pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:57pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:56pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:54pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:46pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:43pm: The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them. You underestimate religious zeal. Pakistan/Taliban don't give a hoot about the Uighurs. Like Iraq and Iran didn't against each other. Religion meant nothing They don't need to give a hoot about Uighurs. Their zeal comes from their devotion to Islamism. That's why Iraq and Iran went to war eh? ;) You mean Sunni Muslims vs Shi'ite Muslims.

Both fighting for Islamic 'unity' eh? ;)

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:00pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:57pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:56pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:54pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:46pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:43pm: The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them. You underestimate religious zeal. Pakistan/Taliban don't give a hoot about the Uighurs. Like Iraq and Iran didn't against each other. Religion meant nothing They don't need to give a hoot about Uighurs. Their zeal comes from their devotion to Islamism. That's why Iraq and Iran went to war eh? ;) You mean Sunni Muslims vs Shi'ite Muslims. Both fighting for Islamic 'unity' eh? ;)

Both fighting for Allah who determines the victor.

Back to the start. Pakistan and Taliban have no direct interest in Uighurs, nor can they afford to.

This short clip is amusing.
Shows China's official 'simulation' in attacking Taiwan.
They wouldn't have to, if the USA didn't meddle.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=china+attacks+taiwan&&view=detail&mid=062B5703DE8B1775ADB5062B5703DE8B1775ADB5&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dchina%2Battacks%2Btaiwan%26FORM%3DHDRSC4

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:04pm:

Back to the start. Pakistan and Taliban have no direct interest in Uighurs, nor can they afford to.

It's not the states of Pakistan and Afghanistan who will send a state-sanctioned army to Xinjiang, although in a collapsing China, neither country would miss an opportunity to exert influence over the region.

Islamists fight for Islamic hegemony and are prepared to die for the cause. When you're zealous for the cause, to the death, 'afford' has got nothing to do with it.

I think we can simulate China's invasion more like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ4V_-GY3PM

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:25pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:04pm: Back to the start. Pakistan and Taliban have no direct interest in Uighurs, nor can they afford to. It's not the states of Pakistan and Afghanistan who will send a state-sanctioned army to Xinjiang, although in a collapsing China, neither country would miss an opportunity to exert influence over the region. Islamists fight for Islamic hegemony and are prepared to die for the cause. When you're zealous for the cause, to the death, 'afford' has got nothing to do with it.

Islamists well fight to the death to have their rule spread to new lands. But if they cannot afford to feed themselves and arm themselves in their quest to spread "the religion of peace", they are not going to make the journey to help with fellow Jihadis. A collapsing China might well mean the Uighurs can consolidate their own power in the region (and possibly expand).

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:36pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:25pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:04pm: Back to the start. Pakistan and Taliban have no direct interest in Uighurs, nor can they afford to. It's not the states of Pakistan and Afghanistan who will send a state-sanctioned army to Xinjiang, although in a collapsing China, neither country would miss an opportunity to exert influence over the region. Islamists fight for Islamic hegemony and are prepared to die for the cause. When you're zealous for the cause, to the death, 'afford' has got nothing to do with it. Islamists well fight to the death to have their rule spread to new lands. But if they cannot afford to feed themselves and arm themselves in their quest to spread "the religion of peace", they are not going to make the journey to help with fellow Jihadis. A collapsing China might well mean the Uighurs can consolidate their own power in the region (and possibly expand).

It's hardly a surprise what people can afford to do when fear of death is not an issue.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:43pm:

It's hardly a surprise what people can afford to do when fear of death is not an issue.

I have no fear of a lot of things. But, if I cannot afford to go do something, then I won't go do it.

Xi thinks they can do it while the West is fixated on Ukraine. His stake is the end of international trade with the West. All that to save face.

Taiwan - the USA's control on Asia?

China, Japan, both Koreas, Vietnam, and other 'Asian' nations get together to say "Let's f*uck these North American's out of 'our' Asia!" :D

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:43pm: It's hardly a surprise what people can afford to do when fear of death is not an issue. I have no fear of a lot of things. But, if I cannot afford to go do something, then I won't go do it.

You'd have to up the stakes relative to those with a zeal for defending and advancing their religion.

Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family?

Jasin wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:03am:

China, Japan, both Koreas, Vietnam, and other 'Asian' nations get together to say "Let's f*uck these North American's out of 'our' Asia!" :D

Except that Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia and likely others are asking for US protection against the CCP.

Also, North Koreans hate Han Chinese more than any other ethnic group in Asia.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:53am:

Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family?

I would of course also like to understand what is I am "defending" my family against.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 10:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 8:53am: Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family? I would of course also like to understand what is I am "defending" my family against.

From whatever threat they faced that would cause you to risk or sacrifice your life.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:53am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:59pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:43pm: It's hardly a surprise what people can afford to do when fear of death is not an issue. I have no fear of a lot of things. But, if I cannot afford to go do something, then I won't go do it. You'd have to up the stakes relative to those with a zeal for defending and advancing their religion. Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family?

My children and family get free defense from me. But, I will not travel long distances to 'defend' my family from a threat that is not imposed upon me.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 10:45am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 8:53am: Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family? I would of course also like to understand what is I am "defending" my family against. From whatever threat they faced that would cause you to risk or sacrifice your life.

See UnSubRocky's reply in #90, which exposes the error in your concept of "defence" of your, or my family.

Hint: you are at greater risk from actions of your own neighbours in your own country, than you are from strangers in other countries.

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 12:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 8:53am: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:59pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:43pm: It's hardly a surprise what people can afford to do when fear of death is not an issue. I have no fear of a lot of things. But, if I cannot afford to go do something, then I won't go do it. You'd have to up the stakes relative to those with a zeal for defending and advancing their religion. Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family? My children and family get free defense from me. But, I will not travel long distances to 'defend' my family from a threat that is not imposed upon me.

OK. If not your family, is there anything you'd sacrifice your life for?

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 11:26am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 10:45am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 8:53am: Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family? I would of course also like to understand what is I am "defending" my family against. From whatever threat they faced that would cause you to risk or sacrifice your life. See UnSubRocky's reply in #90, which exposes the error in your concept of "defence" of your, or my family. Hint: you are at greater risk from actions of your own neighbours in your own country, than you are from strangers in other countries.

Do you have family such that you could imagine a scenario where you'd sacrifice your life for them?

If not, is there anything you'd sacrifice your life for?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 1:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 12:27pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 11:26am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 10:45am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 8:53am: Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family? I would of course also like to understand what is I am "defending" my family against. From whatever threat they faced that would cause you to risk or sacrifice your life. See UnSubRocky's reply in #90, which exposes the error in your concept of "defence" of your, or my family. Hint: you are at greater risk from actions of your own neighbours in your own country, than you are from strangers in other countries. Do you have family such that you could imagine a scenario where you'd sacrifice your life for them? If not, is there anything you'd sacrifice your life for?

Your comprehension skills are not very good. 

I would sacrifice my life defending my family from ill-intentioned, no-hoper intruders. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 1:43pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 12:27pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 11:26am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 10:45am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 8:53am: Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family? I would of course also like to understand what is I am "defending" my family against. From whatever threat they faced that would cause you to risk or sacrifice your life. See UnSubRocky's reply in #90, which exposes the error in your concept of "defence" of your, or my family. Hint: you are at greater risk from actions of your own neighbours in your own country, than you are from strangers in other countries. Do you have family such that you could imagine a scenario where you'd sacrifice your life for them? If not, is there anything you'd sacrifice your life for? Your comprehension skills are not very good.  I would sacrifice my life defending my family from ill-intentioned, no-hoper intruders.

No, I comprehended your quibbling intellectualising.

To fully comprehend what other people would die for, you need to imagine what you would die for - it's the motivating force driving the deepest sense of existential meaning.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:15pm:

No, I comprehended your quibbling intellectualising. To fully comprehend what other people would die for, you need to imagine what you would die for - it's the motivating force driving the deepest sense of existential meaning.

"quibbling intellectualising"?

You asked me what I would sacrifice my life for, and you accuse me of this, a creation out of your own deluded brain....

Now you are asking me to say what other people would die for? 

Well I know this much: bigots and ideologues have always preferred death over life.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 2:15pm: No, I comprehended your quibbling intellectualising. To fully comprehend what other people would die for, you need to imagine what you would die for - it's the motivating force driving the deepest sense of existential meaning. "quibbling intellectualising"? You asked me what I would sacrifice my life for, and you accuse me of this, a creation out of your own deluded brain.... Now you are asking me to say what other people would die for?  Well I know this much: bigots and ideologues have always preferred death over life.

I asked you to imagine what you would die for. I assumed you had a family - the most common reason someone would die for anything. Maybe you don't have a family, if so, that suggestion wouldn't work.

So, assuming you might not have a family, I asked what you would die for.

The point of the thought experience is to imagine what religious zeal might feel like such that foreign Islamists would travel to Xinjiang in post-collapsed China to fight and die in the defence and advancement of Islam - being the native religion there.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 2:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 2:15pm: No, I comprehended your quibbling intellectualising. To fully comprehend what other people would die for, you need to imagine what you would die for - it's the motivating force driving the deepest sense of existential meaning. "quibbling intellectualising"? You asked me what I would sacrifice my life for, and you accuse me of this, a creation out of your own deluded brain.... Now you are asking me to say what other people would die for?  Well I know this much: bigots and ideologues have always preferred death over life. I asked you to imagine what you would die for.

And I told you: I would die to protect my family, are you dense? 


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I assumed you had a family - the most common reason someone would die for anything. Maybe you don't have a family, if so, that suggestion wouldn't work. So, assuming you might not have a family, I asked what you would die for.

You ARE dense, the above waffle proves it.



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The point of the thought experience is to imagine what religious zeal might feel like such that foreign Islamists would travel to Xinjiang in post-collapsed China to fight and die in the defence and advancement of Islam - being the native religion there.

according to your deluded "individual sovereignty/freedom" BS. 

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 1:40pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 12:11pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 8:53am: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:59pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:43pm: It's hardly a surprise what people can afford to do when fear of death is not an issue. I have no fear of a lot of things. But, if I cannot afford to go do something, then I won't go do it. You'd have to up the stakes relative to those with a zeal for defending and advancing their religion. Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family? My children and family get free defense from me. But, I will not travel long distances to 'defend' my family from a threat that is not imposed upon me. OK. If not your family, is there anything you'd sacrifice your life for?

I would not sacrifice my life for anything. I would take action to prevent harm happening to me, my family, and my community. But, I would make the aggressor sacrifice his/her life for their unjustified action.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 2:53pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 2:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 2:15pm: No, I comprehended your quibbling intellectualising. To fully comprehend what other people would die for, you need to imagine what you would die for - it's the motivating force driving the deepest sense of existential meaning. "quibbling intellectualising"? You asked me what I would sacrifice my life for, and you accuse me of this, a creation out of your own deluded brain.... Now you are asking me to say what other people would die for?  Well I know this much: bigots and ideologues have always preferred death over life. I asked you to imagine what you would die for. And I told you: I would die to protect my family, are you dense?

Your first response was to refer me to another poster's response which suggested to me you may not have a family. Then you quibbled and deflected about not being safe from neighbours.

Your second answer was qualified by suggesting you'd defend them 'from ill-intentioned, no-hoper intruders'. Did you feel the need to dissociate yourself from saving them from butterflies?

Do you actually have a family?

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 1:40pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 12:11pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 8:53am: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:59pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:43pm: It's hardly a surprise what people can afford to do when fear of death is not an issue. I have no fear of a lot of things. But, if I cannot afford to go do something, then I won't go do it. You'd have to up the stakes relative to those with a zeal for defending and advancing their religion. Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family? My children and family get free defense from me. But, I will not travel long distances to 'defend' my family from a threat that is not imposed upon me. OK. If not your family, is there anything you'd sacrifice your life for? I would not sacrifice my life for anything. I would take action to prevent harm happening to me, my family, and my community. But, I would make the aggressor sacrifice his/her life for their unjustified action.

What if the actions you take to defend your family include the likelihood that you would be killed?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:14pm:

What if the actions you take to defend your family include the likelihood that you would be killed?

If there is a likelihood that I get killed defending my family, then the idea would be to be prepared for that scenario long before it happens. I have had to defend myself from attacks in my life. My actions to defend myself and my family from an attack that might include the likelihood that I get killed would have to be made in a way to minimise the possibility of death.

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 3:14pm: What if the actions you take to defend your family include the likelihood that you would be killed? If there is a likelihood that I get killed defending my family, then the idea would be to be prepared for that scenario long before it happens. I have had to defend myself from attacks in my life. My actions to defend myself and my family from an attack that might include the likelihood that I get killed would have to be made in a way to minimise the possibility of death.

That's reasonable.

So you'd act in defense of a family member, prepared as much as you can be to survive, but you'd act anyway.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:12pm:

Your first response was to refer me to another poster's response which suggested to me you may not have a family.

And I also said in my 1st response:

"Hint: you are at greater risk from actions of your own neighbours in your own country, than you are from strangers in other countries."


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Then you quibbled and deflected about not being safe from neighbours.

It wasn't a deflection, rather it's the core of the "defense" question: what would I be prepared to die for?

Answer, protecting my family from ill-intentioned  intruders.   


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Your second answer was qualified by suggesting you'd defend them 'from ill-intentioned, no-hoper intruders'. Did you feel the need to dissociate yourself from saving them from butterflies?

No, of course not.

Rather, (unjust) attack on my family  is the only reason I would be prepared to die.


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Do you actually have a family?

Of course.

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 8:49pm:

Wouldn't want to be in Taiwan - the last remaining anti-Communist Chinese-Nationalist (which Biden supports, but calls Trump evil for creating Nationalism in America) country. Is this it? Seems almost a formality now. China pumping its War Machine at Taiwan with 'Invasion Drills' in full swing. https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/china-sends-planes-and-warships-towards-taiwan/vi-AA19DX84?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5840eccba89e414bb43736c5c86be26f&ei=41

How can you invade your own territory?
Can British invade Britain?
;D

athos wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 6:29pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:49pm: Wouldn't want to be in Taiwan - the last remaining anti-Communist Chinese-Nationalist (which Biden supports, but calls Trump evil for creating Nationalism in America) country. Is this it? Seems almost a formality now. China pumping its War Machine at Taiwan with 'Invasion Drills' in full swing. https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/china-sends-planes-and-warships-towards-taiwan/vi-AA19DX84?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5840eccba89e414bb43736c5c86be26f&ei=41 How can you invade your own territory? Can British invade Britain? ;D

I agree Athos.
China is more than happy to let the past pass by and incorporate the Nationalists as 'China', even changing the Chinese Flag to recognise this.
All would have been fine, because Taiwan as a 'country' has always been 'China'.
Taiwan as a Nation though, is Nationalist.
The Communists have offered the peaceful assimilation.
Only 'invasion' would be needed if the Nationalists said "No" to integration 'nationally' - which would result in the end of the Nationalists period.

Now the USA has meddled and turned Taiwan 'against' China with promises of this and that and I bet the USA 'helped' get the Democrats in power there to now call it a 'Democracy' as if liberated and now a part of the USA's world.

USA wouldn't give a rats about Taiwan if it wasn't in such a geographical position regarding 'trade flows' in that area.
USA is just trying to protect its own self interests as usual. Like Oil in Iraq, cheaper Russian fuel coming through Ukraine for Europe to buy and not the USA's fuel and oil, etc.

USA via the Democrats, especially internationally - are the Bad Guys. Simple as that.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/punch-face-xi-caricature-taiwan-air-force-badge-goes-viral-2023-04-10/



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A punch in the face for Xi caricature: Taiwan air force badge goes viral.


AIPEI/BEIJING, April 10 (Reuters) - Taiwanese are rushing to buy patches being worn by their air force pilots that depict a Formosan black bear punching Winnie the Pooh - representing China's President Xi Jinping - as a defiant symbol of the island's resistance to Chinese war games.




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Jasin wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 7:05pm:

athos wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 6:29pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:49pm: Wouldn't want to be in Taiwan - the last remaining anti-Communist Chinese-Nationalist (which Biden supports, but calls Trump evil for creating Nationalism in America) country. Is this it? Seems almost a formality now. China pumping its War Machine at Taiwan with 'Invasion Drills' in full swing. https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/china-sends-planes-and-warships-towards-taiwan/vi-AA19DX84?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5840eccba89e414bb43736c5c86be26f&ei=41 How can you invade your own territory? Can British invade Britain? ;D I agree Athos. China is more than happy to let the past pass by and incorporate the Nationalists as 'China', even changing the Chinese Flag to recognise this. All would have been fine, because Taiwan as a 'country' has always been 'China'. Taiwan as a Nation though, is Nationalist. The Communists have offered the peaceful assimilation. Only 'invasion' would be needed if the Nationalists said "No" to integration 'nationally' - which would result in the end of the Nationalists period. Now the USA has meddled and turned Taiwan 'against' China with promises of this and that and I bet the USA 'helped' get the Democrats in power there to now call it a 'Democracy' as if liberated and now a part of the USA's world. USA wouldn't give a rats about Taiwan if it wasn't in such a geographical position regarding 'trade flows' in that area. USA is just trying to protect its own self interests as usual. Like Oil in Iraq, cheaper Russian fuel coming through Ukraine for Europe to buy and not the USA's fuel and oil, etc. USA via the Democrats, especially internationally - are the Bad Guys. Simple as that.

You are naive to the dynamics of power.

Autocracy is focused on the accumulation of power without constraint.

The CCP doesn't wish the Taiwanese well - it sees Taiwan as an opportunity for autocracy's extension of its reach to the first island chain.

And to the CCP's Han Chinese apparatchik, you are a sub-human, even as you blow smoke up their arse.

But no matter how you spin it.
Taiwan is a part of China. Proven facts galore.
Even the Nationalists accepted that as 'Country'.
Just because the USA pushed the Democrat vote ($$ching ching) to get up in Taiwan in an effort to 'undermine' the Communist/Nationalist merger - that is that the Nationalist's emblem would be incorporated into the Chinese 'National' Flag.

Stop making excuses for the USA's bad ways.
I know you grew up with their Movies, Music and other cultural things throughout your life. But they are not 'Angels' in the Political sense (not yet, until some 'blondie' real white guy comes along) - both as the most 'invasive' nation on the planet and as a Political entity following the Media narrative (Entertainment) more than the orthodox Political one.

Must be hard to fathom that the USA can be the 'Bad Guy'.
Assange and Trump are proof that the cracks are showing and they wouldn't have been who they are - if America was indeed an 'Angel'.

We as Australia have no 'Political' reason to 'submit' to American authority and directive. Bad enough that they keep this country as their 'Deputy' via the Prime Ministers.

Hopefully someone will shoot the Sheriff.
Because they do not follow the United Nations for the good of all and that is the primal reason above all.

Jasin wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 7:42pm:

But no matter how you spin it. Taiwan is a part of China. Proven facts galore.

When you say 'China', what do you mean? The 'China' of the last 70 years never existed prior to the 20th century.

Indigenous Taiwanese are closer in genetics to Polynesians than Han Chinese.

What proven facts are galore?

The Formosans are not Chinese, that is correct.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 7:48pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 7:42pm: But no matter how you spin it. Taiwan is a part of China. Proven facts galore. When you say 'China', what do you mean? The 'China' of the last 70 years never existed prior to the 20th century. Indigenous Taiwanese are closer in genetics to Polynesians than Han Chinese. What proven facts are galore?

You're talking about the minority indigenous who are much like the Ainu (Jommo) of Nihon are now. Keep spinning.

I'm talking about the China which has emerged to take back all that it once was. Be it Hong Kong a few years ago. Be it Northern Manchuria from the USSR come Russia now. Etc, etc.
Do you think if USA owned Norfolk Island or Indonesia owned Christmas Island - that Australia has a right to 'reclaim' them officially??

Next question.

Jasin wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 7:48pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 7:42pm: But no matter how you spin it. Taiwan is a part of China. Proven facts galore. When you say 'China', what do you mean? The 'China' of the last 70 years never existed prior to the 20th century. Indigenous Taiwanese are closer in genetics to Polynesians than Han Chinese. What proven facts are galore? You're talking about the minority indigenous who are much like the Ainu (Jommo) of Nihon are now. Keep spinning. I'm talking about the China which has emerged to take back all that it once was. Be it Hong Kong a few years ago. Be it Northern Manchuria from the USSR come Russia now. Etc, etc. Do you think if USA owned Norfolk Island or Indonesia owned Christmas Island - that Australia has a right to 'reclaim' them officially?? Next question.

You seem to assume that the Han Chinese have ruled over the country we call 'China' today.

Have you ever wondered why the southern Chinese speak Cantonese?

Why do Tibetans speak Tibetan?

Why do Inner Mongolians speak Mongolian?

So you think maybe the Scythians should be reinstated as well? The Ainu reclaim all of Nihon, etc, etc.

China is just claiming what is China and Taiwan is China.
Leave Asia to Asian nations. Europe to European nations.
America is not the UN.
America should just stick to North America.

Jasin wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:23pm:

So you think maybe the Scythians should be reinstated as well? The Ainu reclaim all of Nihon, etc, etc. China is just claiming what is China and Taiwan is China.

That's where you prove your ignorance. You think that China as it exists in the 20th century is the China that has always existed.

Why you'd want to support the CCP, a Chinese regime that would disenfranchise you as a non-Han Chinese subhuman is something you need to think about.

You maybe right.
But the USA's meddling in Taiwan can initiate a far more devastating consequence than what it could be if they didn't.
Who are we to say about that part of the world?
Would you be pleased to send Australian lives just because of the Nationalists who oppressed the fledgling Communists in the early 20th century?
It is a U.N. issue. Not a USA's issue, nor ours.
USA is just as big a bully internationally as China is made out to be.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:30pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 8:23pm: So you think maybe the Scythians should be reinstated as well? The Ainu reclaim all of Nihon, etc, etc. China is just claiming what is China and Taiwan is China. That's where you prove your ignorance. You think that China as it exists in the 20th century is the China that has always existed. Why you'd want to support the CCP, a Chinese regime that would disenfranchise you as a non-Han Chinese subhuman is something you need to think about.

;D ;D ;D ;)

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 7:48pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 7:42pm: But no matter how you spin it. Taiwan is a part of China. Proven facts galore. When you say 'China', what do you mean? The 'China' of the last 70 years never existed prior to the 20th century. Indigenous Taiwanese are closer in genetics to Polynesians than Han Chinese. What proven facts are galore?

Nice try but no cigar, Meister.

The indigenous Taiwanese are neither ROC or PRC - both of whom are indeed Chinese; and today the nationalist losers want to ditch their former attachment to the ROC because they have faced the reality they won't form the government of China again.

Interestingly, yesterday I heard the fabulous story of the Qing ( and earlier)  treasures which were  taken from the palaces of 'Forbidden City" and hidden in China's west, during the Japanese invasion.

To cut a long story short, in 1949 the nationalist losers took the most prized pieces of the Chinese art treasures with them to Taiwan, and they are still sitting in a  Taipei museum today

Just a couple of "proven facts" for you....

Jasin wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 9:36pm:

You maybe right. But the USA's meddling in Taiwan can initiate a far more devastating consequence than what it could be if they didn't. Who are we to say about that part of the world? Would you be pleased to send Australian lives just because of the Nationalists who oppressed the fledgling Communists in the early 20th century? It is a U.N. issue. Not a USA's issue, nor ours. USA is just as big a bully internationally as China is made out to be.

Do you ever wonder how Australia has managed to remain a stable society relative to autocratic societies?

Do you think that Australia would be able to maintain a stable economy and society under an autocratic hegemony of the region?

Even south-east Asian nations want protection from the CCP.

Sychopancy towards a totalitarian regime does not make them less contemptuous and resentful of those who live under a liberal democracy, any more than Jews who attempted to placate the German government of the 30s led to their protection from that government.

Your contempt of the US doesn't do justice to that nation which ensures world trade could even exist. Without the US Navy, every tinpot regime with access to sea lanes would break the chain, confiscate ships and demand ransoms for their return.

Have a think before you take the lazy path of slagging the US.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:15pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 8:03pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 7:48pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 7:42pm: But no matter how you spin it. Taiwan is a part of China. Proven facts galore. When you say 'China', what do you mean? The 'China' of the last 70 years never existed prior to the 20th century. Indigenous Taiwanese are closer in genetics to Polynesians than Han Chinese. What proven facts are galore? You're talking about the minority indigenous who are much like the Ainu (Jommo) of Nihon are now. Keep spinning. I'm talking about the China which has emerged to take back all that it once was. Be it Hong Kong a few years ago. Be it Northern Manchuria from the USSR come Russia now. Etc, etc. Do you think if USA owned Norfolk Island or Indonesia owned Christmas Island - that Australia has a right to 'reclaim' them officially?? Next question. You seem to assume that the Han Chinese have ruled over the country we call 'China' today. Have you ever wondered why the southern Chinese speak Cantonese? Why do Tibetans speak Tibetan? Why do Inner Mongolians speak Mongolian?

So...people of all races  immigrate to the New World, to unite under single governments (aka multiculturalism); whereas in the Old World, people  of different races were colonized by (powerful ] imperial govts.

Many languages were spoken in the empire of the Pax Romana. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 9:53pm:

To cut a long story short, in 1949 the nationalist losers took the most prized pieces of the Chinese art treasures with them to Taiwan, and they are still sitting in a  Taipei museum today

And thank god for that. Had Mao got hold of them, they would have been destroyed under his 'Four Olds' decree.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 10:06pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 9:53pm: To cut a long story short, in 1949 the nationalist losers took the most prized pieces of the Chinese art treasures with them to Taiwan, and they are still sitting in a  Taipei museum today And thank god for that. Had Mao got hold of them, they would have been destroyed under his 'Four Olds' decree.

Not so; the main protagonist in the story (an art  curator)  was non political, had powerful connections, and managed to save the palace treasures from the depredations of the cultural revolution.

But I'm pleased you have conceded the PRC and (former)  ROC are both Chinese.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 10:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 10:06pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 9:53pm: To cut a long story short, in 1949 the nationalist losers took the most prized pieces of the Chinese art treasures with them to Taiwan, and they are still sitting in a  Taipei museum today And thank god for that. Had Mao got hold of them, they would have been destroyed under his 'Four Olds' decree. Not so; the main protagonist in the story (an art  curator)  was non political, had powerful connections and managed to save the palace treasures from the depredations of the cultural revolution.

Well, that was a spot of luck, then - someone who could save cultural treasures from Mao's kilns.

Taiwan didn't have a cultural revolution of destruction, so luck wasn't required.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 10:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 10:14pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 10:06pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 9:53pm: To cut a long story short, in 1949 the nationalist losers took the most prized pieces of the Chinese art treasures with them to Taiwan, and they are still sitting in a  Taipei museum today And thank god for that. Had Mao got hold of them, they would have been destroyed under his 'Four Olds' decree. Not so; the main protagonist in the story (an art  curator)  was non political, had powerful connections and managed to save the palace treasures from the depredations of the cultural revolution. Well, that was a spot of luck, then - someone who could save cultural treasures from Mao's kilns. Taiwan didn't have a cultural revolution of destruction, so luck wasn't required.

That's  right. Establishing a system of law under a consensus meritocracy isn't easy, given we are all instinctively self-interested;  whereas setting up adversarial, blind-leading-the blind 'democratic' elections is a breeze, catering as it does to our blind greed.

But since Chinese inhabit both the mainland AND the island, do you repent of the thread's silly heading?

Nothing silly about the heading - the issue is the concept of Mainland China invading Taiwan.

Meritocracy?  Say - the guy with the most guns, the biggest 'fists'?  What I call in the primitive societies such as the Aborigines here the Silverbacks?  Same thing, you know.... remember that thing I posted about how societies develop and change as they grow in population?  The guy with the biggest clout gets to be The Boss.... that's not and never will be 'meritocracy'.

You see no contradiction in the noble President serving the people and the revolution daily having a family net worth in the hundreds of billions under your non-competitive non-neo-conservative economy that you claim operates inside China, but not outside it?

How did he accumulate all that wealth then?  Gifts from the people he's raised in life?  So he didn't compete to gain election and he didn't compete to gather all those billions from not doing anything like hard work?  He's only there because the people adore his merit and he only has all that cash as a just reward for his achievements ... due to his 'merit'?

He'll be the death of CCP China with his primitive and childish 'face-saving' and sabre rattling such as over the legitimate right of another sovereign nation to live in peace and secure its own borders.... and a good thing, too.

'consensus meritocracy' - we've demolished the meritocracy part of it - so you're left with consensus..... all consensus comes from the barrel of a gun...

Here's a dissenter being consensused... ve haff vays off meking you consent.... if not you then the rest will ....

https://hpcbristol.net/image-library/medium/ep01-800.jpg

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 6:10am:

'consensus meritocracy' - we've demolished the meritocracy part of it - so you're left with consensus..... all consensus comes from the barrel of a gun... Here's a dissenter being consensused... ve haff vays off meking you consent.... if not you then the rest will .... https://hpcbristol.net/image-library/medium/ep01-800.jpg

You are discounting the present grass roots democracy in  China (with govt. officials winning office via local consensus arrangements), hence your backward-looking anti-China propaganda.

China had to go through a difficult period to eliminate absolute poverty among a billion people; but fast forward: today the CCP's consensus meritocracy enjoys widespread support among the population.

So, there is only One China, Taiwan will never be admitted to the UN. 

So be my guest, spend your treasure trying to stop the CCP extending government over the 23 million Chinese in Taiwan. 

The offer of One Country 2 systems in a non-violent take over is generous; works well for the people in HK as we have seen - except for Western-infected, "freedom values" ideologues of course. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 10:32pm:

But since Chinese inhabit both the mainland AND the island, do you repent of the thread's silly heading?

Genetically identical people inhabit Britain and Ireland. Should Britain demand sovereignty over Ireland, based on that and its 'ancient' claims of sovereignty over all of Ireland?

The Swiss and Austrians are Germanic peoples, should Germany assert its right to sovereignty over them?

Tiroleans are Germanic peoples, why should they not be granted independence from Italy?

Austria once held the lands of the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Romania, northern Italy, regions of Poland and west Ukraine. Should Austria make claims on those territories?

Inner Mongolians have never accepted their separation from Mongolia, why should CCP sovereignty there continue?

Tibetans have never accepted the loss of their independence to the CCP, why should CCP sovereignty there continue?

People who have interacted with mainland Chinese and Taiwanese unanimously report distinct differences between the peoples, reporting that the Taiwanese are far more culturally and socially refined than the mainlanders, who still have an animalistic sense of opportunism than the Taiwanese.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:28pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 3:24pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 3:14pm: What if the actions you take to defend your family include the likelihood that you would be killed? If there is a likelihood that I get killed defending my family, then the idea would be to be prepared for that scenario long before it happens. I have had to defend myself from attacks in my life. My actions to defend myself and my family from an attack that might include the likelihood that I get killed would have to be made in a way to minimise the possibility of death. That's reasonable. So you'd act in defense of a family member, prepared as much as you can be to survive, but you'd act anyway.

Obviously. What are you expecting? That I would let myself or a family member die?

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 9:53am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 3:28pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 3:24pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 3:14pm: What if the actions you take to defend your family include the likelihood that you would be killed? If there is a likelihood that I get killed defending my family, then the idea would be to be prepared for that scenario long before it happens. I have had to defend myself from attacks in my life. My actions to defend myself and my family from an attack that might include the likelihood that I get killed would have to be made in a way to minimise the possibility of death. That's reasonable. So you'd act in defense of a family member, prepared as much as you can be to survive, but you'd act anyway. Obviously. What are you expecting? That I would let myself or a family member die?

As you're capable of imagining what you would sacrifice your life for, you can apply that emotional state to those who would sacrifice their lives for a religious ideology.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 9:56am:

As you're capable of imagining what you would sacrifice your life for, you can apply that emotional state to those who would sacrifice their lives for a religious ideology.

I am going to disagree and continue to disagree with that assessment. If you cannot fund your own way to fight for what you believe in, you are not going to get far from fighting for a religious ideology. You might starve to death before you have a chance to make your invisible friend happy.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 9:44am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 10:32pm: But since Chinese inhabit both the mainland AND the island, do you repent of the thread's silly heading? Genetically identical people inhabit Britain and Ireland. Should Britain demand sovereignty over Ireland, based on that and its 'ancient' claims of sovereignty over all of Ireland?

The Protestant Brits conquered N. Ireland in 1688 (iirc), and they STILL have sovereignty over N. Ireland.

Forget genetics - I already showed you made a mistake confusing indigenous Taiwan people with ROC Chinese people.

Now, the Qing dynasty was destroyed by more powerful  foreigners......but a new government in China is dedicated to "the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation", including sovereignty over various "autonomous" zones:

"Five autonomous regions are the equivalent of provinces: Guangxi, Inner Mongolia, Ningxia, Tibet, and Xinjiang."


...and Tawan, yet to be formally re-incorporated into China, as has already occurred in HK, with the creation of the HKSAR. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 10:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 9:44am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 10:32pm: But since Chinese inhabit both the mainland AND the island, do you repent of the thread's silly heading? Genetically identical people inhabit Britain and Ireland. Should Britain demand sovereignty over Ireland, based on that and its 'ancient' claims of sovereignty over all of Ireland? The Protestant Brits conquered N. Ireland in 1688 (iirc), and they STILL have sovereignty over N. Ireland. Forget genetics - I already showed you made a mistake confusing indigenous Taiwan people with ROC Chinese people. Now, the Qing dynasty was destroyed by more powerful  foreigners......but a new government in China is dedicated to "the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation", including sovereignty over various "autonomous" zones: "Five autonomous regions are the equivalent of provinces: Guangxi, Inner Mongolia, Ningxia, Tibet, and Xinjiang." ...and Tawan, yet to be formally re-incorporated into China, as has already occurred in HK, with the creation of the HKSAR.

Then you'd have no problem with any Austrian resolve to reestablish their former territories and rebuild their former empire.

You should have no objection to the Tirol's claim to sovereignty.

Forget genetics, eh! It's genetics that you used to strengthen the claim of CCP sovereignty. Taiwan has only been a majority Han Chinese people very recently.

However, within that time they have become a first-world people. The CCP has made animals of the mainland Chinese with a large component of the population in poverty - as the Soviets did to Russians and other ethnicities under their boot.

Anyway, the CCP is continuing its downward trend towards collapse and the world's political community, no doubt, will be focussing on what to do with the shithole that is mainland China once the CCP has gone - no doubt a disintegration will be the first order of the day.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 10:46am:

Then you'd have no problem with any Austrian resolve to reestablish their former territories and rebuild their former empire.

Well... Austria is now a member country of the UN, Taiwan is not; and now  the Chinese ROC losers want to change the status of Taiwan so it can become a member of the UN.

Not going to happen. 

After the CCP has collapsed, there are only two Han Chinese majority nations that could be called upon to assist in the administration of the mainland shithole: Taiwan and Singapore.

My bet is that they will form a coalition to assist in administering mainland China. First acts:  the abolition of the CCP's security laws in Hong Kong, the release of all political prisoners, and overseeing the reunification of Inner Mongolia and Mongolia.

Oddly enough, Lisa has just been caught out for repetitive deflection, now Meister is reduced to the same...telling us what happens when the CCP collapses.

Even though leaders from all around the globe, including Brazil, France and the ME , are making their way to Beijing to sign all sorts of co-operation and trade agreements. ii

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 11:43am:

Oddly enough, Lisa has just been caught out for repetitive deflection, now Meister is reduced to the same...telling us what happens when the CCP collapses. Even though leaders from all around the globe, including Brazil, France and the ME , are making their way to Beijing to sign all sorts of co-operation and trade agreements.

Trade agreements will survive the collapse of the CCP.

They'll likely be greatly enhanced.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 11:49am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 11:43am: Oddly enough, Lisa has just been caught out for repetitive deflection, now Meister is reduced to the same...telling us what happens when the CCP collapses. Even though leaders from all around the globe, including Brazil, France and the ME , are making their way to Beijing to sign all sorts of co-operation and trade agreements. Trade agreements will survive the collapse of the CCP. They'll likely be greatly enhanced.

At least you attempted to address the point made......even though your statement is absurd; the Chinese govt. isn't collapsing.

Oh Meister Eccy might be right.

Once the CCP 'Super-novas' the 'Accountants' will take charge of China and usurp the Military as a Tax write-off.
Seriously!
The CCP will have served its purpose as China gains a lot, but loses a lot too. China will 'culturally' shift away from the 'right' as it is. Much like Germany went from making Politics/Military/Religion a priority issue to now reaping better than before with Music, Medicine and Sport.

Don't expect much from the USA. They will have their own 'internal' problems as the American People get sick of this Democrat/Biden/Woke/Left/Media rubbish.
So China will have free reign to take out Russia and India.
Russia will call for USA help (ironically ;)) - but it will be twitchy North Korea that will bring the USA into the War.

Meanwhile Europe will have its hands full with Islam as France (trying to hold onto European 'dominance') is left out in front to try and save what is 'old'. Maybe they should take up Music, Eurovision, Sport and Medicine a bit more? ;)

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 7:47pm:

Oh Meister Eccy might be right. Once the CCP 'Super-novas' the 'Accountants' will take charge of China and usurp the Military as a Tax write-off. Seriously! The CCP will have served its purpose as China gains a lot, but loses a lot too. China will 'culturally' shift away from the 'right' as it is. Much like Germany went from making Politics/Military/Religion a priority issue to now reaping better than before with Music, Medicine and Sport. Don't expect much from the USA. They will have their own 'internal' problems as the American People get sick of this Democrat/Biden/Woke/Left/Media rubbish. So China will have free reign to take out Russia and India. Russia will call for USA help (ironically ;)) - but it will be twitchy North Korea that will bring the USA into the War. Meanwhile Europe will have its hands full with Islam as France (trying to hold onto European 'dominance') is left out in front to try and save what is 'old'. Maybe they should take up Music, Eurovision, Sport and Medicine a bit more? ;)

You need to lay off the white goods!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 7:52pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 7:47pm: Oh Meister Eccy might be right. Once the CCP 'Super-novas' the 'Accountants' will take charge of China and usurp the Military as a Tax write-off. Seriously! The CCP will have served its purpose as China gains a lot, but loses a lot too. China will 'culturally' shift away from the 'right' as it is. Much like Germany went from making Politics/Military/Religion a priority issue to now reaping better than before with Music, Medicine and Sport. Don't expect much from the USA. They will have their own 'internal' problems as the American People get sick of this Democrat/Biden/Woke/Left/Media rubbish. So China will have free reign to take out Russia and India. Russia will call for USA help (ironically ;)) - but it will be twitchy North Korea that will bring the USA into the War. Meanwhile Europe will have its hands full with Islam as France (trying to hold onto European 'dominance') is left out in front to try and save what is 'old'. Maybe they should take up Music, Eurovision, Sport and Medicine a bit more? ;) You need to lay off the white goods!

You need to learn your History, if you want to understand your future. What goes around, comes around and we are on a 'finite' planet where everyone is jostling to find their own position on the field.
There are x8 (habitable) Regions with x8 Races and each Region is to have a representation of each of the x8 Races.
Go read some Nietzche if it makes your feel intellectual.  ;D

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 8:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 7:52pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 7:47pm: Oh Meister Eccy might be right. Once the CCP 'Super-novas' the 'Accountants' will take charge of China and usurp the Military as a Tax write-off. Seriously! The CCP will have served its purpose as China gains a lot, but loses a lot too. China will 'culturally' shift away from the 'right' as it is. Much like Germany went from making Politics/Military/Religion a priority issue to now reaping better than before with Music, Medicine and Sport. Don't expect much from the USA. They will have their own 'internal' problems as the American People get sick of this Democrat/Biden/Woke/Left/Media rubbish. So China will have free reign to take out Russia and India. Russia will call for USA help (ironically ;)) - but it will be twitchy North Korea that will bring the USA into the War. Meanwhile Europe will have its hands full with Islam as France (trying to hold onto European 'dominance') is left out in front to try and save what is 'old'. Maybe they should take up Music, Eurovision, Sport and Medicine a bit more? ;) You need to lay off the white goods! You need to learn your History, if you want to understand your future.

What's your future?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 8:25pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:14pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 7:52pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 7:47pm: Oh Meister Eccy might be right. Once the CCP 'Super-novas' the 'Accountants' will take charge of China and usurp the Military as a Tax write-off. Seriously! The CCP will have served its purpose as China gains a lot, but loses a lot too. China will 'culturally' shift away from the 'right' as it is. Much like Germany went from making Politics/Military/Religion a priority issue to now reaping better than before with Music, Medicine and Sport. Don't expect much from the USA. They will have their own 'internal' problems as the American People get sick of this Democrat/Biden/Woke/Left/Media rubbish. So China will have free reign to take out Russia and India. Russia will call for USA help (ironically ;)) - but it will be twitchy North Korea that will bring the USA into the War. Meanwhile Europe will have its hands full with Islam as France (trying to hold onto European 'dominance') is left out in front to try and save what is 'old'. Maybe they should take up Music, Eurovision, Sport and Medicine a bit more? ;) You need to lay off the white goods! You need to learn your History, if you want to understand your future. What's your future?

Well, as 'Day Ahead' Australian, more than a 'Down Under' Australian - I guess only 'time' will tell.  ;)
(Step into my Police Box)  :D

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 8:30pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:25pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:14pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 7:52pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 7:47pm: Oh Meister Eccy might be right. Once the CCP 'Super-novas' the 'Accountants' will take charge of China and usurp the Military as a Tax write-off. Seriously! The CCP will have served its purpose as China gains a lot, but loses a lot too. China will 'culturally' shift away from the 'right' as it is. Much like Germany went from making Politics/Military/Religion a priority issue to now reaping better than before with Music, Medicine and Sport. Don't expect much from the USA. They will have their own 'internal' problems as the American People get sick of this Democrat/Biden/Woke/Left/Media rubbish. So China will have free reign to take out Russia and India. Russia will call for USA help (ironically ;)) - but it will be twitchy North Korea that will bring the USA into the War. Meanwhile Europe will have its hands full with Islam as France (trying to hold onto European 'dominance') is left out in front to try and save what is 'old'. Maybe they should take up Music, Eurovision, Sport and Medicine a bit more? ;) You need to lay off the white goods! You need to learn your History, if you want to understand your future. What's your future? Well, as 'Day Ahead' Australian, more than a 'Down Under' Australian - I guess only 'time' will tell.  ;) (Step into my Police Box)  :D

So, no idea, then.

No. It's just you who have no idea.
Not my fault I'm just a 'day ahead' of you.  ;)

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 9:00pm:

No. It's just you who have no idea. Not my fault I'm just a 'day ahead' of you.  ;)

So what's your future?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 9:03pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 9:00pm: No. It's just you who have no idea. Not my fault I'm just a 'day ahead' of you.  ;) So what's your future?

I'll be living to 111 years of age - just to annoy all the women.

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 9:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 9:03pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 9:00pm: No. It's just you who have no idea. Not my fault I'm just a 'day ahead' of you.  ;) So what's your future? I'll be living to 111 years of age - just to annoy all the women.

Eleventy One, eh!

I guess you're hoping to be up and about like Bilbo Baggins and not swilling around in your own piss and sh!t!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 9:14pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 9:09pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 9:03pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 9:00pm: No. It's just you who have no idea. Not my fault I'm just a 'day ahead' of you.  ;) So what's your future? I'll be living to 111 years of age - just to annoy all the women. Eleventy One, eh! I guess you're hoping to be up and about like Bilbo Baggins and not swilling around in your own piss and sh!t!

That depends on what I have in my pocket? ;)
(ie: I know something you don't know)

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 9:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 9:14pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 9:09pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 9:03pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 9:00pm: No. It's just you who have no idea. Not my fault I'm just a 'day ahead' of you.  ;) So what's your future? I'll be living to 111 years of age - just to annoy all the women. Eleventy One, eh! I guess you're hoping to be up and about like Bilbo Baggins and not swilling around in your own piss and sh!t! That depends on what I have in my pocket? ;)

A hole? Big enough for your hand to get through?

;D
I'll give you that one.

The Taiwan war?
There is a theory I heard yesterday that all the Chinese will do is blockade Taiwan -
also cut the internet submarine cables.
No flights or ships in or out -
most communications cut.


It could happen very soon -
then what will the USA do after a merchant cargo ship is sunk
or an aeroplane with civilian passengers is shot down -
or a submarine cable cut?

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/135/284/667/original/54942c43a5aada54.png

Well considering Taiwan always thought of itself as part of China, even under the Nationalists.
It's only the recent USA manipulated 'Democracy' that seems to have made things 'dangerous'.

Jasin wrote on Apr 15^th, 2023 at 8:52pm:

Well considering Taiwan always thought of itself as part of China, even under the Nationalists. It's only the recent USA manipulated 'Democracy' that seems to have made things 'dangerous'.

Exactly.

Penny Ping Pong has her say on Taiwan.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/warning-over-potential-taiwan-war/vi-AA19WWJZ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3d66c8cceea44f62bd56d18276fea4e7&ei=9