Australia will have nuclear reactors in u-boats but not on land for civilian power generation (and to power all those bloody wind turbines).  The stupidity is astonishing. Bowenesque.

Build a few nuclear power stations and hydroelectric ones as well. Forget the bloody windmills, hideous and Quixotic follies.

This will be a lead in for the use of nuclear power generation instead of these expensive and inefficient renewables. Once there are more qualified nuclear power technicians and others with a real understanding of the benefits of nuclear power, the fear mongering that has prevented development will be countered by an increasing amount of informed comment and the public will become more aware of the benefits of nuclear power.

Frank wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 11:02am:

Australia will have nuclear reactors in u-boats but not on land for civilian power generation (and to power all those bloody wind turbines).  The stupidity is astonishing. Bowenesque. Build a few nuclear power stations and hydroelectric ones as well. Forget the bloody windmills, hideous and Quixotic follies.

Nuclear energy is one of the most expensive and complex energy producers in the world....It would take up to 10 years to build a new nuclear power plant even if the technology was established....Australia has to start from scratch to build expertise and procure resources....Building nuclear power plants would virtually eliminate investment in alternative energy sources....There would be public opposition to any proposed nuclear power plant once it's location was announced....Nuclear waste is toxic, dangerous and needs to be safely stored for centuries before it is safe....Nuclear waste needs to be transported to waste dumps exposing any route (ports, rail or road) to protest and possible nuclear catastrophy....The proposition is absurd!!!

::) ::) ::)

https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/52758/reasons-why-nuclear-energy-not-way-green-and-peaceful-world/

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/why-nuclear-power-is-bad-for-your-wallet-and-the-climate

Nuclear submarines are the beginning of a rethink of the power generation question. As Sabine says, "Everyone seems to have an agenda."
This is a good breakdown of the issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kahih8RT1k

I am open to the idea of Nuclear energy, but I do not see wind turbines as "Quixotic," as Frank says, and there are corporations who are putting a butt-load of money into them in Western Australia, where no one cares about landscape aesthetics. Along with a huge solar array, they will create hydrogen to run the machinery in the iron ore mines, which at the moment, contribute a significant percentage of Australia's CO2. Anyone can rant on the internet, but Money really talks.

An easily understood explanation.  https://www.tiktok.com/@theradguyglows/video/7016433154684685574

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 11:41am:

Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:02am: Australia will have nuclear reactors in u-boats but not on land for civilian power generation (and to power all those bloody wind turbines).  The stupidity is astonishing. Bowenesque. Build a few nuclear power stations and hydroelectric ones as well. Forget the bloody windmills, hideous and Quixotic follies. Nuclear energy is one of the most expensive and complex energy producers in the world....It would take up to 10 years to build a new nuclear power plant even if the technology was established....Australia has to start from scratch to build expertise and procure resources....Building nuclear power plants would virtually eliminate investment in alternative energy sources....There would be public opposition to any proposed nuclear power plant once it's location was announced....Nuclear waste is toxic, dangerous and needs to be safely stored for centuries before it is safe....Nuclear waste needs to be transported to waste dumps exposing any route (ports, rail or road) to protest and possible nuclear catastrophy....The proposition is absurd!!! ::) ::) ::) https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/52758/reasons-why-nuclear-energy-not-way-green-and-peaceful-world/ https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/why-nuclear-power-is-bad-for-your-wallet-and-the-climate

So we should have solar and wind powered submarines, then.

Or better still, no submarines or defence of any kind. Sell out to China and be done with it.

Frank wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 12:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:41am: Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:02am: Australia will have nuclear reactors in u-boats but not on land for civilian power generation (and to power all those bloody wind turbines).  The stupidity is astonishing. Bowenesque. Build a few nuclear power stations and hydroelectric ones as well. Forget the bloody windmills, hideous and Quixotic follies. Nuclear energy is one of the most expensive and complex energy producers in the world....It would take up to 10 years to build a new nuclear power plant even if the technology was established....Australia has to start from scratch to build expertise and procure resources....Building nuclear power plants would virtually eliminate investment in alternative energy sources....There would be public opposition to any proposed nuclear power plant once it's location was announced....Nuclear waste is toxic, dangerous and needs to be safely stored for centuries before it is safe....Nuclear waste needs to be transported to waste dumps exposing any route (ports, rail or road) to protest and possible nuclear catastrophy....The proposition is absurd!!! ::) ::) ::) https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/52758/reasons-why-nuclear-energy-not-way-green-and-peaceful-world/ https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/why-nuclear-power-is-bad-for-your-wallet-and-the-climate So we should have solar and wind powered submarines, then. Or better still, no submarines or defence of any kind. Sell out to China and be done with it.

I never mentioned nuclear (U Boats LOL) submarines....So what do you have against what I actually posted not what you want to use to deflect from your stupidity Fwank???

:-? :-? :-?

Belgarion wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 11:58am:

An easily understood explanation.  https://www.tiktok.com/@theradguyglows/video/7016433154684685574

WA had a major incident when a match box sized nuclear cappsule was lost in the North West....Nuclear energy is the most expensive form of power on the planet....Building nuclear power plants would kill off any investment in alternative energy....When you tell Australian's a train, boat or truck will be transporting nuclear waste through their neighborhood there will be an uproar....Accidents happen and there are much safer alternatives???

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 2:53pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:58am: An easily understood explanation.  https://www.tiktok.com/@theradguyglows/video/7016433154684685574 WA had a major incident when a match box sized nuclear cappsule was lost in the North West....Nuclear energy is the most expensive form of power on the planet....Building nuclear power plants would kill off any investment in alternative energy....When you tell Australian's a train, boat or truck will be transporting nuclear waste through their neighborhood there will be an uproar....Accidents happen and there are much safer alternatives??? ::) ::) ::)

Australia currently has only one nuclear reactor, which is a government-run facility at Lucas Heights in Sydney. That reactor doesn't produce electricity – rather, it is mostly used to generate chemical elements used in medicine.


In suburban Sydney.



It is not the most expensive form of power. It is expensive to set up but once running, it it very high capacity and cheap to run.

https://www.power-technology.com/features/top-ten-nuclear-energy-producing-countries/

nuclear energy has by far the highest capacity factor of any other energy source. This basically means nuclear power plants are producing maximum power more than 92% of the time during the year.  That’s about nearly 2 times more as natural gas and coal units, and almost 3 times or more reliable than wind and solar plants.

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/nuclear-power-most-reliable-energy-source-and-its-not-even-close

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 2:53pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:58am: An easily understood explanation.  https://www.tiktok.com/@theradguyglows/video/7016433154684685574 WA had a major incident when a match box sized nuclear cappsule was lost in the North West....Nuclear energy is the most expensive form of power on the planet....Building nuclear power plants would kill off any investment in alternative energy....When you tell Australian's a train, boat or truck will be transporting nuclear waste through their neighborhood there will be an uproar....Accidents happen and there are much safer alternatives??? ::) ::) ::)

Australia currently has only one nuclear reactor, which is a government-run facility at Lucas Heights in Sydney. That reactor doesn't produce electricity – rather, it is mostly used to generate chemical elements used in medicine.


In suburban Sydney.



It is not the most expensive form of power. It is expensive to set up but once running, it it very high capacity and cheap to run.

https://www.power-technology.com/features/top-ten-nuclear-energy-producing-countries/

nuclear energy has by far the highest capacity factor of any other energy source. This basically means nuclear power plants are producing maximum power more than 92% of the time during the year.  That’s about nearly 2 times more as natural gas and coal units, and almost 3 times or more reliable than wind and solar plants.

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/nuclear-power-most-reliable-energy-source-and-its-not-even-close



That "major incident in WA"  ;D ;D
Tiny radioactive capsule lost somewhere on road found after three weeks
A tiny radioactive capsule, smaller than a ten cent coin, has been found three weeks after it went missing along a massive stretch of road.


Nail-biting TV series in the making.

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 2:53pm:

WA had a major incident when a match box sized nuclear cappsule was lost in the North West...

Wow. They have miniaturised Nuclear power plants so small you can lose them?

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 2:53pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:58am: An easily understood explanation.  https://www.tiktok.com/@theradguyglows/video/7016433154684685574 WA had a major incident when a match box sized nuclear cappsule was lost in the North West....Nuclear energy is the most expensive form of power on the planet....Building nuclear power plants would kill off any investment in alternative energy....When you tell Australian's a train, boat or truck will be transporting nuclear waste through their neighborhood there will be an uproar....Accidents happen and there are much safer alternatives??? ::) ::) ::)

Did you watch the linked video? If you did and still cannot accept the facts  there is nothing I can show you that will change your mind. Fortunately there are growing numbers who understand that it works and is safe.

I am not against Nuclear power, but if I can believe Sabine's report, we use 60,000 tons of Uranium per year out of a worldwide resource of about 8 million tons. Increasing nuclear power times 10, means that in 15 to 20 years U235 production will not be economical. Let alone the billions to build a power stations.

I'm sticking with Asimov's prediction of 'Atomics' running everything from a wristwatch to a vehicle to a Farm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0Lb92o0L3A

:)

issuevoter wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 5:04pm:

I am not against Nuclear power, but if I can believe Sabine's report, we use 60,000 tons of Uranium per year out of a worldwide resource of about 8 million tons. Increasing nuclear power times 10, means that in 15 to 20 years U235 production will not be economical. Let alone the billions to build a power stations.

It also takes up to ten years to build a Nuclear Power plant even with the expertise....We can also forget about investment in alternative energy once a Nuclear Power plant is proposed....The cost is also a major factor which will only increase and the storage of waste for centuries is not free!!!

::) ::) ::)

Wind and solar are sop for know -fkk-all purple haired city Greens.

They will never support industry, shipping, steel, aeronautics, freight transport, mining.

issuevoter wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 5:04pm:

I am not against Nuclear power, but if I can believe Sabine's report, we use 60,000 tons of Uranium per year out of a worldwide resource of about 8 million tons. Increasing nuclear power times 10, means that in 15 to 20 years U235 production will not be economical. Let alone the billions to build a power stations.

Uranium can be obtained from sources other than conventional mining, like sea water and rock phosphates as well as recycling spent fuel. Then there is Thorium, as yet unexploited but with vast potential.

https://www.daretothink.org/numbers-not-adjectives/how-long-will-our-supplies-of-uranium-and-thorium-last/

Times have changed - we don't need subs.
We only need missiles.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Moskva


The Russian warship Moskva, the flagship of the Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet, sank on 14 April 2022 during the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Ukrainian officials said that their forces damaged the ship with two R-360 Neptune anti-ship missiles,
and there was a fire, information which was later confirmed by the United States Department of Defense. Russia reported the ship sank in stormy seas after the fire caused munitions to explode.



https://gdb.voanews.com/03a90000-0aff-0242-1f0d-08da1db0bf04_w1023_r1_s.jpg

Fine when ships are close to shore not so much when they are in the middle of the Indian Ocean!

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 9:52pm:

Times have changed - we don't need subs. We only need missiles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Moskva The Russian warship Moskva, the flagship of the Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet, sank on 14 April 2022 during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Ukrainian officials said that their forces damaged the ship with two R-360 Neptune anti-ship missiles, and there was a fire, information which was later confirmed by the United States Department of Defense. Russia reported the ship sank in stormy seas after the fire caused munitions to explode. https://gdb.voanews.com/03a90000-0aff-0242-1f0d-08da1db0bf04_w1023_r1_s.jpg

There was no storm. In suppressed photos, Moskva listed heavily to port. That meant she was flooding due to the missile strikes. That was terminal. They didn't magically stop the list. She capsized and sank. And they lied about it to save face, saying they got the crew off, but there was a hurried service in Sevastopol for those lost, and they wouldn't say how many.

At the time, the Russians were preparing an amphibious assault on Odessa. Ukraine destroyed the main landing ship as well. Then the mighty Russian Navy ran away and hid in the eastern Black Sea.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 10:20pm:

Fine when ships are close to shore not so much when they are in the middle of the Indian Ocean!

You're wrong -
the ships can be picked up by satellites and missiles can fly 1000s of km.

issuevoter wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 11:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 9:52pm: Times have changed - we don't need subs. We only need missiles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Moskva The Russian warship Moskva, the flagship of the Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet, sank on 14 April 2022 during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Ukrainian officials said that their forces damaged the ship with two R-360 Neptune anti-ship missiles, and there was a fire, information which was later confirmed by the United States Department of Defense. Russia reported the ship sank in stormy seas after the fire caused munitions to explode. https://gdb.voanews.com/03a90000-0aff-0242-1f0d-08da1db0bf04_w1023_r1_s.jpg There was no storm. In suppressed photos, Moskva listed heavily to port. That meant she was flooding due to the missile strikes. That was terminal. They didn't magically stop the list. She capsized and sank. And they lied about it to save face, saying they got the crew off, but there was a hurried service in Sevastopol for those lost, and they wouldn't say how many. At the time, the Russians were preparing an amphibious assault on Odessa. Ukraine destroyed the main landing ship as well. Then the mighty Russian Navy ran away and hid in the eastern Black Sea.

So we don't need any subs.
We're also broke -
we owe $1 trillion so where's the money coming from?

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 11:34pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 10:20pm: Fine when ships are close to shore not so much when they are in the middle of the Indian Ocean! You're wrong - the ships can be picked up by satellites and missiles can fly 1000s of km.

And intercepted.

You need to think things through a lot more, if you can.

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 6:58pm:

issuevoter wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:04pm: I am not against Nuclear power, but if I can believe Sabine's report, we use 60,000 tons of Uranium per year out of a worldwide resource of about 8 million tons. Increasing nuclear power times 10, means that in 15 to 20 years U235 production will not be economical. Let alone the billions to build a power stations. It also takes up to ten years to build a Nuclear Power plant even with the expertise....We can also forget about investment in alternative energy once a Nuclear Power plant is proposed....The cost is also a major factor which will only increase and the storage of waste for centuries is not free!!! ::) ::) ::)

More like 20 years. While not opposed to nuclear it is expensive and not very flexible. Fusion is making real breakthroughs so have hopes of that.

$368 billion dollar blowout!!! :o :o :o

...if you thought we blew our money on the French, now comes the Yanks to really sink our budget.

Jasin wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 6:57am:

$368 billion dollar blowout!!! :o :o :o ...if you thought we blew our money on the French, now comes the Yanks to really sink our budget.

And we don't need any subs -
missiles are the future.

Drones are more fun.

When the Liberal government withdrew from the French diesel submarine contract, and opted for nuclear subs, the Labor opposition and the Greens were all over them with everything from ridicule and budgetary constraints, to anti-nuclear rhetoric.

Now you listen to the defense minister and Albanese, and you'd think it was their idea.

issuevoter wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 9:10am:

When the Liberal government withdrew from the French diesel submarine contract, and opted for nuclear subs, the Labor opposition and the Greens were all over them with everything from ridicule and budgetary constraints, to anti-nuclear rhetoric. Now you listen to the defense minister and Albanese, and you'd think it was their idea.

While Labor were very critical of the French deal and its aftermath, they were onboard with the SSN deal. Given the nature of this programme the major parties in all three countries would have had to be supportive or it would never have been made.

The principle motivation for these subs, in my view, is to cement the triple alliance of A-UK-US in the India Pacific.
The core of a South Pacific Treaty Organisation, to balance the North Atlantic one.

issuevoter wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 9:10am:

When the Liberal government withdrew from the French diesel submarine contract, and opted for nuclear subs, the Labor opposition and the Greens were all over them with everything from ridicule and budgetary constraints, to anti-nuclear rhetoric. Now you listen to the defense minister and Albanese, and you'd think it was their idea.

Really....That is not how I read it....Can you support that claim???

:-? :-? :-?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-16/scott-morrison-labor-aukus-briefing-united-states-campaign/101070142

issuevoter wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 9:10am:

When the Liberal government withdrew from the French diesel submarine contract, and opted for nuclear subs, the Labor opposition and the Greens were all over them with everything from ridicule and budgetary constraints, to anti-nuclear rhetoric. Now you listen to the defense minister and Albanese, and you'd think it was their idea.

That's the Lib Lab half-brain political philosophy at work

The submarines are a bi-partisan policy, yet each half-brain leader wants the policy to be their own ... the Labs will capitalize politically on the jobs provided over the coming decades in South Australia, and the Libs will politically benefit from the flow of investment with this big project - heaps of money for private contractors

The subs are not for war, no one has mentioned anything about them carrying nuclear tipped missiles yet, or whatever they're supposed to be armed with. They're for protecting free trade agreement shipping lanes. They'll do nothing more that send messages back to Head Quarters ... each message will cost us tax payers two hundred thousand dollars by the time the subs have done their 20-30 year service. Imagine if you got an email and it cost you $200,000?

The whole thing could back fire on the half brains, the Greens and Teals could win more seats in Parliament, and the half brains' primary vote will drop even further

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 11:18am:

issuevoter wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 9:10am: When the Liberal government withdrew from the French diesel submarine contract, and opted for nuclear subs, the Labor opposition and the Greens were all over them with everything from ridicule and budgetary constraints, to anti-nuclear rhetoric. Now you listen to the defense minister and Albanese, and you'd think it was their idea. That's the Lib Lab half-brain political philosophy at work The submarines are a bi-partisan policy, yet each half-brain leader wants the policy to be their own ... the Labs will capitalize politically on the jobs provided over the coming decades in South Australia, and the Libs will politically benefit from the flow of investment with this big project - heaps of money for private contractors The subs are not for war, no one has mentioned anything about them carrying nuclear tipped missiles yet, or whatever they're supposed to be armed with. They're for protecting free trade agreement shipping lanes. They'll do nothing more that send messages back to Head Quarters ... each message will cost us tax payers two hundred thousand dollars by the time the subs have done their 20-30 year service. Imagine if you got an email and it cost you $200,000? The whole thing could back fire on the half brains, the Greens and Teals could win more seats in Parliament, and the half brains' primary vote will drop even further

I get what you are saying, however, the alternative is to give up on the military, the way the Greens said in their now deleted manifesto.

issuevoter wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 11:25am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 11:18am: issuevoter wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 9:10am: When the Liberal government withdrew from the French diesel submarine contract, and opted for nuclear subs, the Labor opposition and the Greens were all over them with everything from ridicule and budgetary constraints, to anti-nuclear rhetoric. Now you listen to the defense minister and Albanese, and you'd think it was their idea. That's the Lib Lab half-brain political philosophy at work The submarines are a bi-partisan policy, yet each half-brain leader wants the policy to be their own ... the Labs will capitalize politically on the jobs provided over the coming decades in South Australia, and the Libs will politically benefit from the flow of investment with this big project - heaps of money for private contractors The subs are not for war, no one has mentioned anything about them carrying nuclear tipped missiles yet, or whatever they're supposed to be armed with. They're for protecting free trade agreement shipping lanes. They'll do nothing more that send messages back to Head Quarters ... each message will cost us tax payers two hundred thousand dollars by the time the subs have done their 20-30 year service. Imagine if you got an email and it cost you $200,000? The whole thing could back fire on the half brains, the Greens and Teals could win more seats in Parliament, and the half brains' primary vote will drop even further I get what you are saying, however, the alternative is to give up on the military, the way the Greens said in their now deleted manifesto.

It will depend on what the voters think about "Nuclearizing" Australia, militarily and possibly power generation

It might be wise if we declare ourselves as a Neutral State, rather than a Nuclear State. They'll be no money for anything else if we go nuclear, we're already broke

And the Aboriginals want a say now, and they remember Maralinga.

Then there was that massive effort to locate that tiny piece of radio active material in the bush ... had to find it quick

The Half-Brain politicians are saying the nuclear waste dump will be on Defense land! ... what difference will that make?, it's still in Australia, and if it leaks, the first to be contaminated will be Defense personnel

The submarines will be nuclear powered, not nuclear armed.

However, Australia will be responsible for disposing of the nuclear waste.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 1:34pm:

The submarines will be nuclear powered, not nuclear armed. However, Australia will be responsible for disposing of the nuclear waste.

After 30 years of service Greg....The reactors are sealed and do not need to be refueled like the French design....Just sayin!!!

:) :) :)

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 2:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 1:34pm: The submarines will be nuclear powered, not nuclear armed. However, Australia will be responsible for disposing of the nuclear waste. After 30 years of service Greg....The reactors are sealed and do not need to be refueled like the French design....Just sayin!!! :) :) :)

After 30 years of use the sub reactors will be full of Plutonium 239 -
which is what is needed to make atomic bombs.
I wonder how many could be made from each spent reactor?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium-239

Spent nuclear fuel commonly contains about 0.8% plutonium-239.

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 1:19pm:

issuevoter wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 11:25am: Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 11:18am: issuevoter wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 9:10am: When the Liberal government withdrew from the French diesel submarine contract, and opted for nuclear subs, the Labor opposition and the Greens were all over them with everything from ridicule and budgetary constraints, to anti-nuclear rhetoric. Now you listen to the defense minister and Albanese, and you'd think it was their idea. That's the Lib Lab half-brain political philosophy at work The submarines are a bi-partisan policy, yet each half-brain leader wants the policy to be their own ... the Labs will capitalize politically on the jobs provided over the coming decades in South Australia, and the Libs will politically benefit from the flow of investment with this big project - heaps of money for private contractors The subs are not for war, no one has mentioned anything about them carrying nuclear tipped missiles yet, or whatever they're supposed to be armed with. They're for protecting free trade agreement shipping lanes. They'll do nothing more that send messages back to Head Quarters ... each message will cost us tax payers two hundred thousand dollars by the time the subs have done their 20-30 year service. Imagine if you got an email and it cost you $200,000? The whole thing could back fire on the half brains, the Greens and Teals could win more seats in Parliament, and the half brains' primary vote will drop even further I get what you are saying, however, the alternative is to give up on the military, the way the Greens said in their now deleted manifesto. It will depend on what the voters think about "Nuclearizing" Australia, militarily and possibly power generation It might be wise if we declare ourselves as a Neutral State, rather than a Nuclear State. They'll be no money for anything else if we go nuclear, we're already broke And the Aboriginals want a say now, and they remember Maralinga. Then there was that massive effort to locate that tiny piece of radio active material in the bush ... had to find it quick The Half-Brain politicians are saying the nuclear waste dump will be on Defense land! ... what difference will that make?, it's still in Australia, and if it leaks, the first to be contaminated will be Defense personnel

Australia cannot obtain Nuclear Weapons unless we exit the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons....Otherwise I agree with your comments!!!


Quote:

In February 1970 Australia signed the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), committing not to acquire nuclear weapons, and to adhere to strong non-proliferation obligations. Since then, Australia has been one of the treaty's strongest supporters

:-? :-? :-?

https://www.dfat.gov.au/international-relations/security/non-proliferation-disarmament-arms-control/nuclear-weapons#:~:text=In%20February%201970%20Australia%20signed%20the%20Treaty%20on,has%20been%20one%20of%20the%20treaty%27s%20strongest%20supporters.

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 2:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 1:34pm: The submarines will be nuclear powered, not nuclear armed. However, Australia will be responsible for disposing of the nuclear waste. After 30 years of service Greg....The reactors are sealed and do not need to be refueled like the French design....Just sayin!!!

We still have to dispose of the waste for the first 30 years though.

I'm talking about the ones that haven't been built yet, not the second-hand ones we're buying.

What does Keating say?

16,192 views  Nov 10, 2021

Former prime minister Paul Keating says when the eight Virginia-class submarines finally arrive in Australia – they'll be as effective  against China as "throwing a handful of toothpicks at a mountain".

"A handful of toothpicks at a mountain," Mr Keating told the National Press Club on Wednesday.

"These Virginia-class submarines were designed in the 1990s – by the time we have half a dozen of them it'll be 2045 or 2050 – they'll be 50 or 60 years old.

"In other words, our new submarines will be old tech – it'll be like buying an old 747."



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoMesRe2BEY

Bobby. wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 9:17pm:

What does Keating say? 16,192 views  Nov 10, 2021 Former prime minister Paul Keating says when the eight Virginia-class submarines finally arrive in Australia – they'll be as effective  against China as "throwing a handful of toothpicks at a mountain". "A handful of toothpicks at a mountain," Mr Keating told the National Press Club on Wednesday. "These Virginia-class submarines were designed in the 1990s – by the time we have half a dozen of them it'll be 2045 or 2050 – they'll be 50 or 60 years old. "In other words, our new submarines will be old tech – it'll be like buying an old 747." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoMesRe2BEY

This is exactly what I mean about adopting the Greens military policy, because that is what Keating is suggesting. Its not about Australia fighting China per se. Australia didn't defeat Japan or North Korea either, but they did their bit. But Keating doesn't get that because he is like the Leftists in Europe who thought they didn't have defend themselves before Russia invaded Ukraine. Basically Labor-Green policy is to appease China. Just ask Penny Wong.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 9:17pm:

What does Keating say? 16,192 views  Nov 10, 2021 Former prime minister Paul Keating says when the eight Virginia-class submarines finally arrive in Australia – they'll be as effective  against China as "throwing a handful of toothpicks at a mountain". "A handful of toothpicks at a mountain," Mr Keating told the National Press Club on Wednesday. "These Virginia-class submarines were designed in the 1990s – by the time we have half a dozen of them it'll be 2045 or 2050 – they'll be 50 or 60 years old. "In other words, our new submarines will be old tech – it'll be like buying an old 747." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoMesRe2BEY

The Virginia class has Tomahawk missiles which aren't toothpicks they are very precise.

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Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 10:39am:

The principle motivation for these subs, in my view, is to cement the triple alliance of A-UK-US in the India Pacific. The core of a South Pacific Treaty Organisation, to balance the North Atlantic one.

Really, F A T Frank? Really?

Frank wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 11:02am:

Australia will have nuclear reactors in u-boats but not on land for civilian power generation (and to power all those bloody wind turbines).  The stupidity is astonishing. Bowenesque. Build a few nuclear power stations and hydroelectric ones as well. Forget the bloody windmills, hideous and Quixotic follies.

Agree.
Nuclear is the only way forward, economically.

Frank wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 7:08pm:

Wind and solar are sop for know -fkk-all purple haired city Greens. They will never support industry, shipping, steel, aeronautics, freight transport, mining.

Yet they need every bit of it for their own existence.

For anyone who wonders when we need them, qs usual Dennis nails it

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS8X3HagU/

Gordon wrote on Mar 15^th, 2023 at 7:14am:

For anyone who wonders when we need them, qs usual Dennis nails it https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS8X3HagU/

But he sounds like an idiot because he says China must act quickly -
go to war before the end of this decade but then
says to counter that we will have the subs in the 2040s.  tsk  tsk    ::) ::)

;D

Check out your farce of a Prime Minster

https://thenational-the-national-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/TC99tRqxKV19eibjlLWij8OZRGE=/800x0/filters:format(jpg):quality(70)/cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/thenational/VD4AK7TCQB25IV4ZSKJASMKNOM.jpg

Sorry dude, there are no kangaroos in San Diego for you to root. 

Marla wrote on Mar 15^th, 2023 at 7:46am:

;D Check out your farce of a Prime Minster https://thenational-the-national-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/TC99tRqxKV19eibjlLWij8OZRGE=/800x0/filters:format(jpg):quality(70)/cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/thenational/VD4AK7TCQB25IV4ZSKJASMKNOM.jpg Sorry dude, there are no kangaroos in San Diego for you to root.

He's not a homo is he?

Marla wrote on Mar 15^th, 2023 at 7:46am:

;D Check out your farce of a Prime Minster

You mean this tosser?

Seen at the tennis recently with Jayne "we need to open up even if some people may die" Hrdlicka (she's also chairman and Board President of Tennis Australia).

There's so many captions I could put to that picture (most of them would be extremely offensive) I don't know where to start.  ;D

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Anyhoo, enjoy your sub(standard)marines, kangaroo rooters.


Welcome to the nuclear age.

Marla wrote on Mar 15^th, 2023 at 8:44am:

Anyhoo, enjoy your sub(standard)marines, kangaroo rooters. Welcome to the nuclear age.

There's a rumor going around that Marla is a Colorado carpet muncher.    ;D

https://images.shiksha.com/mediadata/images/1537945821phpex2qS5.jpeg

368 billion dollar sunnies?

Homelessness... disease... poverty... but, look.... NEW SHADES!!!

::)

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Carl D wrote on Mar 15^th, 2023 at 7:59am:

Marla wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 7:46am: ;D Check out your farce of a Prime Minster You mean this tosser? Seen at the tennis recently with Jayne "we need to open up even if some people may die" Hrdlicka (she's also chairman and Board President of Tennis Australia). There's so many captions I could put to that picture (most of them would be extremely offensive) I don't know where to start.  ;D

Oh do share Carl !!! :)

Bobby. wrote on Mar 15^th, 2023 at 7:52am:

Marla wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 7:46am: ;D Check out your farce of a Prime Minster https://thenational-the-national-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/TC99tRqxKV19eibjlLWij8OZRGE=/800x0/filters:format(jpg):quality(70)/cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/thenational/VD4AK7TCQB25IV4ZSKJASMKNOM.jpg Sorry dude, there are no kangaroos in San Diego for you to root.  He's not a homo is he?

As a $3 bill but he has some interesting takes on most issues

Marla wrote on Mar 15^th, 2023 at 7:46am:

;D Check out your farce of a Prime Minster https://thenational-the-national-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/TC99tRqxKV19eibjlLWij8OZRGE=/800x0/filters:format(jpg):quality(70)/cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/thenational/VD4AK7TCQB25IV4ZSKJASMKNOM.jpg Sorry dude, there are no kangaroos in San Diego for you to root.

You're damn right he's a FARCE.
Look who he's with!!
It's the three friggin Amigos Gangnam style.  ::)
Media Circus.



Definitely not as 'Western' as an...
Anglo Boris Johnson
Saxon Donald Trump
Protestant Scott Morrison

https://youtu.be/p4iHzLcVLm4

Gordon wrote on Mar 15^th, 2023 at 7:14am:

For anyone who wonders when we need them, qs usual Dennis nails it https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS8X3HagU/

No idea who Dennis is, but he seems to be correct in what he's saying.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 7:14am: For anyone who wonders when we need them, qs usual Dennis nails it https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS8X3HagU/ No idea who Dennis is, but he seems to be correct in what he's saying.

Yeah, maybe, but a lot of it sounds like wishful thinking. And China does not have a lack of population or men of military age.

The only invasion China will bring to the Pacific Rim is all those Naval Ships being transportation for all those Chinese men to find women to breed with abroad.

issuevoter wrote on Mar 15^th, 2023 at 2:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 11:39am: Gordon wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 7:14am: For anyone who wonders when we need them, qs usual Dennis nails it https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS8X3HagU/ No idea who Dennis is, but he seems to be correct in what he's saying. Yeah, maybe, but a lot of it sounds like wishful thinking. And China does not have a lack of population or men of military age.

Yes.

I was gonna say, has anyone fact checked his claims?

The CIA World Factbook says, of China ...

Manpower fit for military service (all citizens of a country - both male and female - between the ages of 16 and 49 that are not otherwise disqualified for health reasons:

Males - 314,459,083

Females - 296,763,134

Gordon wrote on Mar 15^th, 2023 at 10:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 7:52am: Marla wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 7:46am: ;D Check out your farce of a Prime Minster https://thenational-the-national-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/TC99tRqxKV19eibjlLWij8OZRGE=/800x0/filters:format(jpg):quality(70)/cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/thenational/VD4AK7TCQB25IV4ZSKJASMKNOM.jpg Sorry dude, there are no kangaroos in San Diego for you to root.  He's not a homo is he? As a $3 bill but he has some interesting takes on most issues

Albo at the gay pride march:

Feb 26    2023.

https://www.thepinknews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Anthony-Albanese.jpg




Anthony Albanese became the first Australian prime minister to march at the 45th Sydney Mardi Gras this weekend.

The country’s 31st prime minister joined over 12,500 attendees in Oxford Street for the annual LGBTQ+ event, which began in 1978.

The parade was organised by the Gay Solidarity Group As a way to honour and commemorate the historic Stonewall Riots and has since flourished into a nationally recognised event.

Albanese joined senior Labour figures in the march on Saturday (25 February), leading behind members of the group Dykes on Bikes, as well as the First Nations float, which featured a giant rainbow serpent.

He told reporters that it was “unfortunate” that it took so long for a prime minister to march in the event, but celebrated it as a sign of a “modern Australia.“


https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/02/26/anthony-albanese-mardi-gras-first-prime-minister/

Do you reckon they gave him a Gaytime Iceblock with heaps of sprinkles of gay nuts on it? Him and Joe seem to like Ice-creams and Party Balloons.

The crews of the submarines will have a contingent of poofters to satisfy cultural needs and wants ... Squeaky will insist on it, for when he goes on the maiden voyage in the first sub, to enjoy himself

Well the ADF is internationally known these days as the 'Boutique Military' of the world.  :D

I was glad to see that Penny Wong responded to the idiotic blather from China, by saying "No rational observer could conclude Australia was the source of a regional arms race." However, she followed that up with, "No one wants to see escalation," which is in the face of Chinese expansion in the Pacific with its nuclear weapons.

Just remember folks.
When 'China tensions' - our intrepid Brian will be right there ready to catch whatever comes out.  ;)

...and how many BILLIONS OF DOLLARS is the Australian people paying for these AMERICAN SUBMARINES (with a British stamp of approval) to be in our part of the world?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFqlHOcbqJw

Australia confirms every day that it has always been a puppet colonial protectorate with the corrupt
puppet politicians. The only difference is that the US has de facto replaced the British colonial master.
The only Australian politician who deserves respect is our spy Penny Wong. Ha ha ha we pumped her
up with Testosterone and made her a professional lesbian to fool the corrupt Anglo political elite.
Well done Penny for your hard work for Mother China.
;D

Jasin wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 7:13am:

...and how many BILLIONS OF DOLLARS is the Australian people paying for these AMERICAN SUBMARINES (with a British stamp of approval) to be in our part of the world?

The French have offered to build nuclear subs for us for much less money

If we took up that offer, we'd probably get back the billions in compensation we paid when the previous contract with the French was cancelled

How much was that again? $38billion wasn't it?

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 10:21am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 7:13am: ...and how many BILLIONS OF DOLLARS is the Australian people paying for these AMERICAN SUBMARINES (with a British stamp of approval) to be in our part of the world? The French have offered to build nuclear subs for us for much less money If we took up that offer, we'd probably get back the billions in compensation we paid when the previous contract with the French was cancelled How much was that again? $38billion wasn't it?

Yes the French SSNs would cost less, and in fact the French offered nuclear submarines to us some 30 years ago in return for access to uranium, however the political climate was different then and the offer was not taken up. However there would be significant problems with the French boats. The reactors need refuelling every 7-8 years so this would mean a long period in France as it could not be done here. The French would be reluctant to have any significant construction carried out in Australia - we saw from the previous fiasco that they did not take this issue seriously.  The US  would be very reluctant to allow the transfer of technology required to operate the US weapons we currently use and in any case this would require significant redesigning of the boat itself. The ongoing benefit to Australia would be minimal.

Although this deal is very expensive we will not only get the submarines, but the industrial and technological base to build on for our future requirements, not just for shipbuilding but for many other applications as well.

Belgarion wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 11:33am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 10:21am: Jasin wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 7:13am: ...and how many BILLIONS OF DOLLARS is the Australian people paying for these AMERICAN SUBMARINES (with a British stamp of approval) to be in our part of the world? The French have offered to build nuclear subs for us for much less money If we took up that offer, we'd probably get back the billions in compensation we paid when the previous contract with the French was cancelled How much was that again? $38billion wasn't it? Yes the French SSNs would cost less, and in fact the French offered nuclear submarines to us some 30 years ago in return for access to uranium, however the political climate was different then and the offer was not taken up. However there would be significant problems with the French boats. The reactors need refuelling every 7-8 years so this would mean a long period in France as it could not be done here. The French would be reluctant to have any significant construction carried out in Australia - we saw from the previous fiasco that they did not take this issue seriously.  The US  would be very reluctant to allow the transfer of technology required to operate the US weapons we currently use and in any case this would require significant redesigning of the boat itself. The ongoing benefit to Australia would be minimal. Although this deal is very expensive we will not only get the submarines, but the industrial and technological base to build on for our future requirements, not just for shipbuilding but for many other applications as well.

Those submarines and "we'll get the technology?"

There is zero % chance of getting the source code for the software
or the circuits & board design with a parts list and firmware.
We will get black boxes and we won't know what's in them.
Even mechanical parts will have materials and specifications shrouded in secrecy.
The handover of technology is a lie.

We are only going to get 8 subs for nearly $360 billion = $45 billion each.
We're being ripped off.
The subs are only each worth $3 billion.
Can't they do the sums in Canberra?

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 12:35pm:

We are only going to get 8 subs for nearly $360 billion = $45 billion each. We're being ripped off. The subs are only each worth $3 billion. Can't they do the sums in Canberra?

Luxury submarine tax?

Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 12:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 12:35pm: We are only going to get 8 subs for nearly $360 billion = $45 billion each. We're being ripped off. The subs are only each worth $3 billion. Can't they do the sums in Canberra? Luxury submarine tax?

It's reckless spending by Labor -

they are as bad as the Libbos.

Every Govt. we have is driving us to bankruptcy.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 12:34pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 11:33am: Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 10:21am: Jasin wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 7:13am: ...and how many BILLIONS OF DOLLARS is the Australian people paying for these AMERICAN SUBMARINES (with a British stamp of approval) to be in our part of the world? The French have offered to build nuclear subs for us for much less money If we took up that offer, we'd probably get back the billions in compensation we paid when the previous contract with the French was cancelled How much was that again? $38billion wasn't it? Yes the French SSNs would cost less, and in fact the French offered nuclear submarines to us some 30 years ago in return for access to uranium, however the political climate was different then and the offer was not taken up. However there would be significant problems with the French boats. The reactors need refuelling every 7-8 years so this would mean a long period in France as it could not be done here. The French would be reluctant to have any significant construction carried out in Australia - we saw from the previous fiasco that they did not take this issue seriously.  The US  would be very reluctant to allow the transfer of technology required to operate the US weapons we currently use and in any case this would require significant redesigning of the boat itself. The ongoing benefit to Australia would be minimal. Although this deal is very expensive we will not only get the submarines, but the industrial and technological base to build on for our future requirements, not just for shipbuilding but for many other applications as well. Those submarines and "we'll get the technology?" There is zero % chance of getting the source code for the software or the circuits & board design with a parts list and firmware. We will get black boxes and we won't know what's in them. Even mechanical parts will have materials and specifications shrouded in secrecy. The handover of technology is a lie.

Bobby, we have been operating, maintaining and sometimes improving on US systems for decades. There are no sealed 'black boxes' or hidden secrets. The only thing new about these boats for us is the propulsion system and there are people on US and British submarines already learning about it.  ::)

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 12:57pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 12:43pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 12:35pm: We are only going to get 8 subs for nearly $360 billion = $45 billion each. We're being ripped off. The subs are only each worth $3 billion. Can't they do the sums in Canberra? Luxury submarine tax? It's reckless spending by Labor - they are as bad as the Libbos. Every Govt. we have is driving us to bankruptcy.

Don't let it get to you mate.
They're all war mongers. They hate us having guns but love using them on us.

Just worry about them nuke dropping Yanks.
That is the only concerning outcome to be worried about.
They've been trigger happy since Hiroshima. Just look at the West cheering them on.

Just three missiles and boom! $100 Billion plus gone just like that.

Belgarion wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 2:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 12:34pm: Those submarines and "we'll get the technology?" There is zero % chance of getting the source code for the software or the circuits & board design with a parts list and firmware. We will get black boxes and we won't know what's in them. Even mechanical parts will have materials and specifications shrouded in secrecy. The handover of technology is a lie. Bobby, we have been operating, maintaining and sometimes improving on US systems for decades. There are no sealed 'black boxes' or hidden secrets. The only thing new about these boats for us is the propulsion system and there are people on US and British submarines already learning about it.  ::)

You obviously don't know about how technology is always hidden
even in industrial machines yet alone military machines.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 12:57pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 12:43pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 12:35pm: We are only going to get 8 subs for nearly $360 billion = $45 billion each. We're being ripped off. The subs are only each worth $3 billion. Can't they do the sums in Canberra? Luxury submarine tax? It's reckless spending by Labor - they are as bad as the Libbos. Every Govt. we have is driving us to bankruptcy.

Nothing new here. Albo aka elma fudd has been selling us out to the foreigners for years. :(

https://www.smh.com.au/national/electric-car-maker-angry-over-import-deal-20100724-10pr2.html


Quote:

Electric car maker angry over import deal AUSTRALIA'S leading electric car manufacturer has blasted the federal government for choosing an imported model to be Australia's first electric trial fleet. In June, the federal Minister for Transport and Infrastructure, Anthony Albanese, announced that the government would be buying 40 imported Mitsubishi i-Miev electric vehicles as a way of encouraging the uptake of electric vehicles. But Castlemaine-based Blade Electric Vehicles said the decision was inexplicable given that its car, the Blade Electron, was better, cheaper, and had been developed with federal government funding. ''We cannot understand why Mr Albanese has chosen to exclude the Electron,'' said Ross Blade, director of BEV. ''The federal government has spent over $100,000 of taxpayers' money on the development of the Blade Electron through the COMET (Commercialising Emerging Technologies) program. Despite the Electron meeting Australia's design standards, the federal government has chosen instead to lease a foreign product at nearly double the cost.'' Mr Blade said that Mitsubishi was leasing the i-Miev for $1740 a month for a total cost over three years of $62,640. This compared with $900 a month for the Electron, for a total cost over three years of $48,000. Mr Blade said the Electron was a bigger car with superior performance to the i-Miev and, more importantly, could be plugged into a regular power point for recharging. However, a spokesman for Mr Albanese, Geoff Sinclair, said the government did not choose the Blade Electron because it was not a mass-produced car and did not meet two Australian design standards, although he could not say which ones. Mr Blade said that if the Australian government was not going to buy a locally made electric car, it stood little chance of being mass produced. ''In terms of our vehicle being mass produced, the fact of the matter is that if the Australian government is not going to buy them, then how can they be mass produced? ''It's a chicken and egg thing.''

America (the Eagle) is only superior to all others in the 'air'.
Their naval just drags along. The fact that they had to provide Aircraft Carriers to beat the Japs in the air, more than any other type of Ship - proves so.

Australia's (the Shark) future is to be the Superior in the depths of the oceans.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 4:58pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 2:27pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 12:34pm: Those submarines and "we'll get the technology?" There is zero % chance of getting the source code for the software or the circuits & board design with a parts list and firmware. We will get black boxes and we won't know what's in them. Even mechanical parts will have materials and specifications shrouded in secrecy. The handover of technology is a lie. Bobby, we have been operating, maintaining and sometimes improving on US systems for decades. There are no sealed 'black boxes' or hidden secrets. The only thing new about these boats for us is the propulsion system and there are people on US and British submarines already learning about it.  ::) You obviously don't know about how technology is always hidden even in industrial machines yet alone military machines.

Bobby, I used to operate this equipment and know quite a bit about it.  You? ::)

Belgarion wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 7:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 4:58pm: Belgarion wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 2:27pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 12:34pm: Those submarines and "we'll get the technology?" There is zero % chance of getting the source code for the software or the circuits & board design with a parts list and firmware. We will get black boxes and we won't know what's in them. Even mechanical parts will have materials and specifications shrouded in secrecy. The handover of technology is a lie. Bobby, we have been operating, maintaining and sometimes improving on US systems for decades. There are no sealed 'black boxes' or hidden secrets. The only thing new about these boats for us is the propulsion system and there are people on US and British submarines already learning about it.  ::) You obviously don't know about how technology is always hidden even in industrial machines yet alone military machines. Bobby, I used to operate this equipment and know quite a bit about it.  You? ::)

I won't say how I know for privacy reasons but
I know I'm right.    ;)

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 7:22pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 7:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 4:58pm: Belgarion wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 2:27pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 12:34pm: Those submarines and "we'll get the technology?" There is zero % chance of getting the source code for the software or the circuits & board design with a parts list and firmware. We will get black boxes and we won't know what's in them. Even mechanical parts will have materials and specifications shrouded in secrecy. The handover of technology is a lie. Bobby, we have been operating, maintaining and sometimes improving on US systems for decades. There are no sealed 'black boxes' or hidden secrets. The only thing new about these boats for us is the propulsion system and there are people on US and British submarines already learning about it.  ::) You obviously don't know about how technology is always hidden even in industrial machines yet alone military machines. Bobby, I used to operate this equipment and know quite a bit about it.  You? ::) I won't say how I know for privacy reasons but I know I'm right.    ;)

Good answer Bobby, however this and your previous comments on defence issues show you don't know shite from strawberries son. ::)

Belgarion wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 7:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 7:22pm: Belgarion wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 7:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 4:58pm: Belgarion wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 2:27pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 12:34pm: Those submarines and "we'll get the technology?" There is zero % chance of getting the source code for the software or the circuits & board design with a parts list and firmware. We will get black boxes and we won't know what's in them. Even mechanical parts will have materials and specifications shrouded in secrecy. The handover of technology is a lie. Bobby, we have been operating, maintaining and sometimes improving on US systems for decades. There are no sealed 'black boxes' or hidden secrets. The only thing new about these boats for us is the propulsion system and there are people on US and British submarines already learning about it.  ::) You obviously don't know about how technology is always hidden even in industrial machines yet alone military machines. Bobby, I used to operate this equipment and know quite a bit about it.  You? ::) I won't say how I know for privacy reasons but I know I'm right.    ;) Good answer Bobby, however this and your previous comments on defence issues show you don't know shite from strawberries son. ::)

There were enough clues in my answer that you should have picked up
that I know what I'm talking about.

forgiven

namaste

Belgarion slips in a sly jab.  ;D

Well Belgarion - 'I' do know a lot more than I let on.
Just remember, your 'Military' here is only a representation of the USA and Britain (two 'northern hemisphere' nations) and is yet to embrace its own distinctive Southern Hemisphere and unique 'Sahulian' potential.
Sure, it does lend a slight difference to it's British/USA 'superiors', but not enough to go being just being a Bladerunner 'Replicant' of those two nations.

...nothing more than a 'Dog' (than a Human) of the USA as Asian nations will say.  ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 7:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 12:57pm: Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 12:43pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 12:35pm: We are only going to get 8 subs for nearly $360 billion = $45 billion each. We're being ripped off. The subs are only each worth $3 billion. Can't they do the sums in Canberra? Luxury submarine tax? It's reckless spending by Labor - they are as bad as the Libbos. Every Govt. we have is driving us to bankruptcy. Nothing new here. Albo aka elma fudd has been selling us out to the foreigners for years. :( https://www.smh.com.au/national/electric-car-maker-angry-over-import-deal-20100724-10pr2.html Quote: July 25, 2010 Electric car maker angry over import deal AUSTRALIA'S leading electric car manufacturer has blasted the federal government for choosing an imported model to be Australia's first electric trial fleet. In June, the federal Minister for Transport and Infrastructure, Anthony Albanese, announced that the government would be buying 40 imported Mitsubishi i-Miev electric vehicles as a way of encouraging the uptake of electric vehicles. But Castlemaine-based Blade Electric Vehicles said the decision was inexplicable given that its car, the Blade Electron, was better, cheaper, and had been developed with federal government funding. ''We cannot understand why Mr Albanese has chosen to exclude the Electron,'' said Ross Blade, director of BEV. ''The federal government has spent over $100,000 of taxpayers' money on the development of the Blade Electron through the COMET (Commercialising Emerging Technologies) program. Despite the Electron meeting Australia's design standards, the federal government has chosen instead to lease a foreign product at nearly double the cost.'' Mr Blade said that Mitsubishi was leasing the i-Miev for $1740 a month for a total cost over three years of $62,640. This compared with $900 a month for the Electron, for a total cost over three years of $48,000. Mr Blade said the Electron was a bigger car with superior performance to the i-Miev and, more importantly, could be plugged into a regular power point for recharging. However, a spokesman for Mr Albanese, Geoff Sinclair, said the government did not choose the Blade Electron because it was not a mass-produced car and did not meet two Australian design standards, although he could not say which ones. Mr Blade said that if the Australian government was not going to buy a locally made electric car, it stood little chance of being mass produced. ''In terms of our vehicle being mass produced, the fact of the matter is that if the Australian government is not going to buy them, then how can they be mass produced? ''It's a chicken and egg thing.''

https://www.smh.com.au/national/electric-car-maker-angry-over-import-deal-20100724-10pr2.html

Irrelivant bullshit to reinforce you are a complete and utter dickhead....WTF do electric vehicles have to do with nuclear submarines....If you are trying to make a point you have only proven what a sycophant right wing arsehole you truely are....40 electric vehicles is irelivant to purchasing Nuclear submarines....The Mitsubishi i-Miev electric vehicles where already being mass produced and could be imported immediatly!!!

::) ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 7:34pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 7:29pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 7:22pm: Belgarion wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 7:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 4:58pm: Belgarion wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 2:27pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 12:34pm: Those submarines and "we'll get the technology?" There is zero % chance of getting the source code for the software or the circuits & board design with a parts list and firmware. We will get black boxes and we won't know what's in them. Even mechanical parts will have materials and specifications shrouded in secrecy. The handover of technology is a lie. Bobby, we have been operating, maintaining and sometimes improving on US systems for decades. There are no sealed 'black boxes' or hidden secrets. The only thing new about these boats for us is the propulsion system and there are people on US and British submarines already learning about it.  ::) You obviously don't know about how technology is always hidden even in industrial machines yet alone military machines. Bobby, I used to operate this equipment and know quite a bit about it.  You? ::) I won't say how I know for privacy reasons but I know I'm right.    ;) Good answer Bobby, however this and your previous comments on defence issues show you don't know shite from strawberries son. ::) There were enough clues in my answer that you should have picked up that I know what I'm talking about. forgiven namaste

Stick to bashing gays and minorities Booby....You are too stupid to have a meaningfull debate!!!

Forgiven!!!

::) ::) ::)

White Man identifies himself as a woman in a prison cell full of black males. "It's all Twump's fault!!!" >:( >:( >:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73oQ-LulSsk

Belgarion wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 7:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 7:22pm: Belgarion wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 7:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 4:58pm: Belgarion wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 2:27pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2023 at 12:34pm: Those submarines and "we'll get the technology?" There is zero % chance of getting the source code for the software or the circuits & board design with a parts list and firmware. We will get black boxes and we won't know what's in them. Even mechanical parts will have materials and specifications shrouded in secrecy. The handover of technology is a lie. Bobby, we have been operating, maintaining and sometimes improving on US systems for decades. There are no sealed 'black boxes' or hidden secrets. The only thing new about these boats for us is the propulsion system and there are people on US and British submarines already learning about it.  ::) You obviously don't know about how technology is always hidden even in industrial machines yet alone military machines. Bobby, I used to operate this equipment and know quite a bit about it.  You? ::) I won't say how I know for privacy reasons but I know I'm right.    ;) Good answer Bobby, however this and your previous comments on defence issues show you don't know shite from strawberries son. ::)

Belgarion - apologise:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collins-class_submarine

Despite the public focus on the various physical issues with the boats, the major problem with the submarines was the development of the Rockwell combat system.[108] The problems had started during the funded study, when Singer Librascope and Thomson CSF, who were partnering with Rockwell to develop the combat system,
refused to release their intellectual property or their software code for Rockwell to sell.[109]

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2023 at 12:25pm:

Belgarion - apologise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collins-class_submarine Despite the public focus on the various physical issues with the boats, the major problem with the submarines was the development of the Rockwell combat system.[108] The problems had started during the funded study, when Singer Librascope and Thomson CSF, who were partnering with Rockwell to develop the combat system, refused to release their intellectual property or their software code for Rockwell to sell.[109]

Bobby, Bobby, Bobby....This issue was an intellectual property dispute between two contractors, not an attempt to hide the inner workings of the equipment inside some mysterious black box.  ::)

Belgarion wrote on Mar 17^th, 2023 at 12:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2023 at 12:25pm: Belgarion - apologise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collins-class_submarine Despite the public focus on the various physical issues with the boats, the major problem with the submarines was the development of the Rockwell combat system.[108] The problems had started during the funded study, when Singer Librascope and Thomson CSF, who were partnering with Rockwell to develop the combat system, refused to release their intellectual property or their software code for Rockwell to sell.[109] Bobby, Bobby, Bobby....This issue was an intellectual property dispute between two contractors, not an attempt to hide the inner workings of the equipment inside some mysterious black box.  ::)

Apologise to me.

Belgarion,

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you don't know shite from strawberries son.

Well?

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2023 at 3:19pm:

Well?

:P

Belgarion wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 7:29pm:

Good answer Bobby, however this and your previous comments on defence issues show you don't know shite from strawberries son. ::)

That's Bobby on ANY topic ... he just regurgitates meme's and tries to pass it off as knowledge. ::)

Belgarion wrote on Mar 17^th, 2023 at 5:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2023 at 3:19pm: Well? :P

What's the point of arguing with you when even if I prove you're
wrong you don't apologise?

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2023 at 8:15pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 17th, 2023 at 5:14pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2023 at 3:19pm: Well? :P What's the point of arguing with you when even if I prove you're wrong you don't apologise?

You need to buy yourself a gun.
It's the only way Belgarion will respect you Bobby.

Jasin wrote on Mar 17^th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2023 at 8:15pm: Belgarion wrote on Mar 17th, 2023 at 5:14pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2023 at 3:19pm: Well? :P What's the point of arguing with you when even if I prove you're wrong you don't apologise? You need to buy yourself a gun. It's the only way Belgarion will respect you Bobby.

He even insulted me too:


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you don't know shite from strawberries son.

Is that the standard of debate on here?

I must follow master Light and forgive him.

Belgarion wrote on Mar 17^th, 2023 at 5:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2023 at 3:19pm: Well? :P

I'm still waiting for your apology.

Interesting discussion on the subs, defence, China and the AUKUS alliance with Hugh White and James Curran, both of whom are against it, of course. So that's very 'balanced' in the sense the  ABC understands the notion.
Still, interesting.

NB longer than a tiktoc vid.

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/extra/extra/102062650